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Captain Falcon, Lucina and Robin All Join The Super Smash Bros. Roster

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Male and female options for Robin, too

Nintendo has broadcast its quickfire three minute Super Smash Bros. New Fighter Intro Video, during which it revealed three new challengers — one of which is a returning favourite and another with a male and female variation.

The headline announcement is likely to be Captain Falcon, the popular figure from the long-neglected F-Zero franchise. The overall theme of the video, however, was Fire Emblem: Awakening. Lucina will appear and opened the video, as will male and female variations of Robin; each character looks set to bring some interesting moves to the upcoming releases.

You can check out the reveal video again below. Are you excited by these new challengers?

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ikki5

#2

ikki5 said:

Chrom isn't playable..., Check the official site, you will only see 3 new characters. Those three are Robin, Capt. Falcon and Lucina.

It's also good to know my girlfriend is in the game too :D (Her name is also Robin :P)

xerneas

#5

xerneas said:

I AM SO HAPPYYY I always thought Robin would be the best one they could pick and I'm glad they didn't disappoint. Lucina is cool as well. I'm wondering if Chrom's only a Final Smash tho.

kingston589

#7

kingston589 said:

For a minute i thought chrom was just going to be a costume for lucina. Glad he has his own slot though.
Edit: nevermind....

BigH88

#9

BigH88 said:

I don't think Chrom is playable. He looked to be Robins final smash. Anyways a bit disappointed. Really wanted to see Shulk appear and cross blades with Lucina.

TheKingOfTown

#11

TheKingOfTown said:

Fantastic reveals for me. I love FE so Lucina and Robin are very welcome. Also, Chrom is NOT a character, he's part of Robin's Final Smash.

SteveSnowmn

#15

SteveSnowmn said:

Wait wait wait. So are Chrom and Lucina two skins of the same character or what? That was so confusing..

Hunter-D

#18

Hunter-D said:

Chrom isn't a playable character as others have stated above.

Loved this trailer though. Smash Bros. is the greatest franchise ever!

Fabaroo

#19

Fabaroo said:

Actually, I'm not so sure Chrom is in. He didn't get the splash image nor does he have a "Challenger Approaching" banner on the official Smash Bros. page. =

Amateur

#22

Amateur said:

Uh guys, I think Chrom may be a alternate costume for Lucina or a assist trophy. So it could count either way.

Nabecoat

#23

Nabecoat said:

You may want to update this article, since Chrom is the final smash of Robin. Also, there's two new challengers and a returning challenger. Not 5 new challengers.

CaptOlimar30

#29

CaptOlimar30 said:

I doubt click-bait on this one, I mean I'm sure plenty of people are clicking regardless and accidentally inferring from Sakurai's ridiculous trolling that Chrom is playable is totally understandable, professional or not.

I still believe in the Gematsu leak minus Chrom though since Sakurai must've known about it for a long time and so changing Chrom -> Lucina during development and additionally deciding on Robin isn't that far-fetched. Only time will tell if Shulk and the Chorus-Men make it in.

darkswabber

#36

darkswabber said:

from what i've seen in the reveal trailer is that chrom is part of a move/final smash from robin, and not a playable fighter.

Pillowpants

#38

Pillowpants said:

Not what I had hoped for... These were all quite unsurprising additions. I'd love to see Tingle get added to the mix, or some other ridiculous character.

But, having said that, I'll definitely try all of them! Captain Falcon's always a nice pick. :)

Nabecoat

#39

Nabecoat said:

@Amateur That's what it looks like for now. The gameplay showing us Chrom was definitely a Final Smash and if you look closely you can see that he and Robin are trading blows against the opponent. Chrom is also not listed on the official SmashBros website.

JellySplat

#41

JellySplat said:

@ThomasBW84 Dude, Did you not watch the whole video? Chrom is totally in! At the end of the video he said "I guess I'll get my chance another day..." and the it says in big font : "No, He's in today" And it cuts to a scene of him fighting!

deathmetalkrunc

#46

deathmetalkrunc said:

@TheKingOfTown

Either way his presence exists. A lot of people on here arent comprehending what im saying. I.never specified if he was a playable character or not just that hes there. My bigger point is why the heck is no zelda bad guy in this game? Why take out ganondorf?

sinalefa

#47

sinalefa said:

With the Rayman trophy and the Gematsu leak, it was a surprise to see these characters today. Well played, Sakurai.

I just wish I could care about any of them :p

JeffreyG

#48

JeffreyG said:

Well, guess I'm gonna have to pre-order that 3DS version soon. :) That trailer was amazing!

ThomasBW84Admin

#49

ThomasBW84 said:

@JellySplat I did see that bit, that's what got me! It looks like that's a final smash (for Lucina, probably) as he's not listed as a challenger on the official website.

Olmectron

#55

Olmectron said:

It's a shame. Chrom as a Final Smash for Robin? I think Robin could get a better Final Smash. So bad.

2Sang

#56

2Sang said:

Wow, I'm way happier than them releasing a gematsu character.

Also, chrom is said by the announcer, which could very well mean he's either unlockable or playable, so let's not jump to conlusions just yet that he isn't in the game

HopeNForever

#57

HopeNForever said:

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!

"Robin" is supposedly the default name for the player's Avatar in Fire Emblem Awakening, but it was never explicitly used in the game's pre-rendered cut-scenes though. I wonder if there is an option to be able to customise the appearance and gender of the character the same way as in the original game.

NintyMan

#58

NintyMan said:

I'm glad this turned out to be a surprise rather than something completely predictable. I'll watch the trailer again later, but if Chrom isn't truly joining the battle, then that should debunk the Gematsu leak. Thanks Sakurai for surprising us!

noctowl

#60

noctowl said:

@CaptOlimar30 that's not really how it works. They've said that the roster was the first thing they did in development. It wouldn't change because of a leak.

@Jellitoe he's not. That's what happens when people go to ign. But to be fair this article has a lot of wrong information as well.

Azooooz

#62

Azooooz said:

I don't care what character will be playable. I'm so glad that Super Smash Bros. is in near completion.

NintyMan

#63

NintyMan said:

Seriously, though, four Fire Emblem characters? That's a lot. The Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U roster has now surpassed Brawl's, and at this rate, it will be significantly bigger than Brawl's.

JellySplat

#64

JellySplat said:

BTW I thought Robins Final smash was Thoron...? Maybe Chrom is a alt skin for Lucina?

Liquid_ice

#65

Liquid_ice said:

I'm slightly disappointed. I think there was already enough characters from Fire Emblem in these two games. Captain Falcon's announcement was good, but I never questioned the return of him. I suppose I expected too much...

MrGuinea

#66

MrGuinea said:

At first I thought Chrom was an alternate version of Lucina but upon viewing the video it looks like Chrom may be a part of Robin's final smash. But then again it looked like Chrom initiated the final smash. Need more info!!!!

VIIIAxel

#67

VIIIAxel said:

I'm fairly disappointed that it wasn't Shulk, even after that tease from one of Xenoblade's writers. At least the Gematsu leak was just proven false, like I always said it was.

Artwark

#69

Artwark said:

About time Chrom shows up!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

And I'm pretty sure he'll be playable!

JellySplat

#70

JellySplat said:

The fact that Chrom initiated the smash, seems to indicate that he is his own character. But we will never know for sure until Sakurai's announcement in POTD. I wish peeps weren't so set on the fact that Chrom may not be playable, It'll all be explained soon. (probably tomorrow)

Mega719

#71

Mega719 said:

Chrom also appears on the newcomer artwork despite him supposedly not being playable

19Robb92

#72

19Robb92 said:

Two new characters? Awesome :D

It's also nice to see a electric character that isn't a pokémon :P Loved the video!

Kamalisk

#73

Kamalisk said:

Robin is ok, but if we had to have more Fire Emblem characters, then more variety would be nice, such as a pegasus rider or something. Not just another swordsperson with blue hair. I can barely tell them all apart as it is.

I still hold out hope for Shulk. Not sure how many characters we will get in total.

MussakkuLaden

#74

MussakkuLaden said:

They had better brought back Roy and not those bland new FE guys. That aside, too bad the fights ingame don't look near as good as in the FMVs.

brewsky

#75

brewsky said:

@JellySplat It may looks like Chrom initiated the Final Smash, but if you look closely, Robin has a glow around him that only appears when you break a Smash Ball.

DJSmith99

#76

DJSmith99 said:

Now we just need more veterans. Ness, Jigglypuff, Wario,Meta Knight ,Game and Watch, Falco, Wolf, and Ganondorf are all announced or hidden characters before the game launches in Japan in September. Who knows maybe that Rayman trophy means he will later be announced as a playable character or will be hidden but I doubt it.

TheKingOfTown

#77

TheKingOfTown said:

@DJSmith99 I think all of those guys will return. The only one I'm not sure about is Falco or Wolf. I think one of them will return, but not the other one, but I can't decide who.

rjejr

#78

rjejr said:

I said this during the vid but Im saying it again - too many swords. The gsme is called SMASH, not slice. Maybe its b/c I grew up reading the Hulk - Hulk smash! - but I want smashing in my smash game. Doesnt fire emblem have some type of brawler tank like Benki in the Genji games? Benki knows how to Smash.

Sir_JBizzle

#79

Sir_JBizzle said:

@JeffreyG @drewb0203 I may give Fire Emblem a playthrough as well. Will all the representation it's getting in Smash and the love it receives from the Nintendo community in general, I feel like it's an obligation. Lol

Sir_JBizzle

#81

Sir_JBizzle said:

I'm loving these animated reveals! It sooo makes me want to see Nintendo or someone produce a Smash Bros Anime!

LtAldoRaine

#84

LtAldoRaine said:

I never played any Fire Emblem, so I'm not all that excited for Lucina and Robin. Still, it's cool. And it's also surprising that Fire Emblem has a whopping 4 characters in Smash, I hope that means the roster will be significantly bigger than Brawl's.

But, Captain Falcon! Yay. I hope he's as good as he was in Melee.

ShadJV

#85

ShadJV said:

Haha Sakurai, gotta love him. Using Monolith to troll us... I think this debunks the "leak", though I still wouldn't mind Shulk. Even better, we finally have a Fire Emblem magic user, so I'm stoked! Overall, a great reveal!

MasterWario

#86

MasterWario said:

Gosh darn it the characters I want just aren't going to be in.

I called two new characters though. I knew it would happen.
I'm really glad they put Robin in there because if it was just Lucina I would have been severely disappointed. Good job with Robin Nintendo, but I don't know why we need any more generic swordsmen...

ModernMARVEL

#88

ModernMARVEL said:

Seeing Lucy and Robin in HD really makes me eager ror SMTxFE. I wanted Lord Chrom, but this is a great trade-off.

@JQuest I completely agree.

ikki5

#93

ikki5 said:

@rjejr There are 6 characters that use swords now as a main weapon... The Fire emblem characters and the Links. 7 if you include the sword fighter Mii but of course, there are 3 variations of him. out of the 36 total characters. How is that to many?

JellySplat

#95

JellySplat said:

Man... Now I want top go play FE Awakening again...
Then NOBODY can tell me that Chrom isn't in the game MWAHAHA!! (Cuz' he's the main character)

dinosauryoshi

#97

dinosauryoshi said:

I like these new additions. Glad to see my main man Falcon back although I never doubted he'd return. Lucina looks especially good. Might have to get Fire Emblem now!

Emblem

#106

Emblem said:

So awesome they are showing FEA some love. I can wait for the SMT X FE and the inevitable FE sequel.

dkxcalibur

#108

dkxcalibur said:

I own but have yet to play Fire Emblem on the 3DS but I have played other games in the series. I really enjoy them. However, I think there is now too many characters from the series in Smash. In Brawl, I always thought that Ike and Marth were always too similar. Anyways, I would rather have Wario, Ice Climbers, or someone else that is new to the series then two more FE character....but I would also be okay if Falco wasn't in the game as he's another Fox clone.

Kaze_Memaryu

#109

Kaze_Memaryu said:

I didn't entirely expect Robin, but Lucina was just a matter of time - they couldn't possibly ignore the most successful Fire Emblem game.
As it seems though, Lucina is either still WIP, or she'll be a Marth clone - which would suck. Meanwhile, Chrom is absolutely Robin's Final Smash. During Chrom's attack, Robin is floating around the enemy in circles while shooting thunderbolts. Sorry to pop some bubbles, but no playable Chrom.

If Ganondorf returns to Smash, he better use his sword this time around. I'll wait for his announcement.

Dizzard

#110

Dizzard said:

I think Lucina is an alt for Marth.

If you look at the main website she has a square just like the other veterans.

Darknyht

#111

Darknyht said:

Glad it wasn't Rayman. Interested in Robin, as he appears to be vastly different than Marth.

I don't get the complaints because there are also four characters for Zelda and Pokemon Universes in the game plus six for Mario Universe. There will be five Zelda Universe characters once Ganondorf shows up. The more popular universes get more representation.

Einherjar

#112

Einherjar said:

Darn, i missed the reveal trailer >.< Totally forgot the time playing worms....
But that was a great reveal :D Cpt Falcon is back, two (and a half) FE Characters and a cameo from chrom. Really nice and so far, no clone characters in sight ! Awesome

Turbo857

#113

Turbo857 said:

@Liquid_ice

How is 2 characters from FE too many characters (or enough characters) from the series? Fire Emblem's always been a series (imo) that deserved better representation in Smash Bros. It becomes more popular with each new release and always offers many great characters. Especially the type of characters that would easily fit into Smash.

I was always hoping for a Black Knight or Micaiah reveal but the Robin and Lucina make more sense since they represent Awakening.

BoobooMama

#116

BoobooMama said:

I hope Chrom is playable, even if he's just a model swap. Now I just need Ridley to be revealed and I'm set :D

kingston589

#119

kingston589 said:

@rjejr no haha i mean like biological brothers. We only have mario and luigi, see what i did there? Cause you said more smashers? Haha sorry bad joke

Liquid_ice

#120

Liquid_ice said:

@Turbo857 4 characters from the series are already announced. I think that is easily too much, especially because there are some quite big series' that don't have more than one character in the newest Super Smash Brothers. For example, there could be more characters from Metroid or Pikmin. There are even some series' that aren't currently represented in the newest Smash at all (Golden Sun, WarioWare, Earthbound).

NoUsernameHere

#122

NoUsernameHere said:

No Chrom? >.< Dammit Sakurai. Ah well, I'll be using all of them, but Lucina will be the one I'll be using most. :D

mch

#124

mch said:

Glad Captain Falcon is in, more F-Zero Characters wouldn't hurt though imo!

Einherjar

#125

Einherjar said:

@TheKingOfTown Well, i have no clue about the FE: Awakening lore, since i never played the game past a chapter or two, but that she has somewhat of a connection to marth should be obvious.
I dont think that she will end up as a pallet swap of Marth though. They introduced quite a lot of gender swap characters by now, if she would play exactly the same, she could have just been a swap of marth.
What she inevitably end up being is "just another sword fighter".
But like i said, i dont know much about her, so i have no idea how much "unique move set potential" she has.

Link506

#126

Link506 said:

I KNEW there at least had to be ONE fire emblem character. Now I just Have to get Fire Emblem Awakening. :-P

Ichiban

#127

Ichiban said:

I must be the only one sick to death of hearing about this game! Enough with the character announcements, give us a release date ya sods!

rjejr

#128

rjejr said:

@ikki5 @Beta @JellySplat - I'm not opposed to swords per se, but todays additions seemed sword heavy, Captain Falcon is a returning character. and for a game like Smash Bros I would like a little more variety. Rayman would have added that variety. Pac Man, Megaman, Little Mac and the Wii Fit Trainer are all fun and different. I hated when they added Snake even though I enjoy those games as I didn't want guns either. If they were to now add Shulk that's another sword. I only played the demo but I was pretty sure FE:A had a fist fighting monk, all those games usually do.

Between Marth, Ike, Metaknight, Pitt (I know it's a bow split in half but it seems like a swords to me) and Link Brawl already seemed like it was getting sword heavy, and this is just adding to it. I'ld simply like more smashing in my smash. Needs a Goron. Darunia already has his own statue that looks like an amiibo:

http://www.vgmerchandise.net/gadget-legend_of_zelda_darunia_goron_leader_statue_sculpture.php

dkxcalibur

#130

dkxcalibur said:

rjejr is my hero! I agree 100% and I couldn't have said it better. Seems like a little too much swords. I don't hate the new additions, I even like the series, I just wish for more variety. Hopefully the Ice Climbers come back!

rbmoura85

#131

rbmoura85 said:

Everyone is simply ignoring that Rayman is a trophy in this game. Why would they add that if rayman wasnt also a character?

Einherjar

#132

Einherjar said:

@Ichiban Uhm...we have a release date for the 3DS version...
The WiiU one is dependant on the aMiibo figures, since they will launch simultaniously. I bet that takes quite some time localisation wise.

@Link506 And THATS marketing 101 for you :P Fell right into their traps ;) But in all seriousnes, its a great game. I havent played it much, but thats more for time reasons, since its a game that requires dedication.

@rbmoura85 So, youre saying that every character that is represented as a trophy should end up playable ? That would be a roster of a couple of hundret characters ! Well, it would at least calm all the people just going "needs more of that, needs more of this, more more more" :P

ValiantPixel

#133

ValiantPixel said:

In addition to this fantastic news, Nintendo might reveal the Elite Status rewards tomorrow! (it was July 15th last year)

JellySplat

#134

JellySplat said:

@rjejr

I guess I can understand. Although, Swords are technically still a minority amongst the fighters. I too, did not like Snake at all in brawl though.

If any more Chara's get released, I'd like to see Isaac from Golden Sun. He's a magic user, so that would definitely be nice.

Couldn't be happier about Lucina and Robin though!

Einherjar

#135

Einherjar said:

@vamkar Well, Sakurai said that they are NEARING the bottom of the barrel when it comes to new character trailers. That doesnt mean that they are there yet :P And count me in on this one. I too would definitly love to see shulk in this one.

JellySplat

#137

JellySplat said:

@vamkar

What the heck are you talking about? That wouldn't be a good fighter at all!
What would he do, throw hint coins at you?

ZephyrTortera

#140

ZephyrTortera said:

Everyone has already taken everything I wanted to say. i loved robin in the story, so i think ythis will be pretty cool to play as a magical swordsman.If Lucina has Marth's move set, or at least something similar to it, she is impersonating Marth in Fire emblem Awakening, so it would make sense.

Ralizah

#141

Ralizah said:

Really excited about Lucina! If her move set is anywhere near as good as Marth's was, I might just main her.

MoonKnight7

#143

MoonKnight7 said:

@CoreyCannabis

"The avatar character in Awakening is named Robin? I never knew that. Mine had my name."

Yeah it took me a minute to figure that out as well. I totally forgot his/her name was Robin originally.

Pika2346

#144

Pika2346 said:

F**KING YES

So hyped about this my head hurts! Take that all you Shulk shippers! JK, Shulk would be cool too, but these four were at the top of my roster wishlist.

DarrelltheJ

#145

DarrelltheJ said:

@Kamalisk Dude, your opinion is pretty far off the mark. Unless you meant Lucina and not Robin.
Robin is more of a magic user than a swordsman, does not have blue hair, and actually comes as a pretty nice surprise. That last part was just my personal opinion but regardless, if you can't tell Robin apart from Marth then you may need to see a doctor.

Benny3999

#147

Benny3999 said:

YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
CAPTAIN FALCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
FALCON PUNCH EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Pika2346

#148

Pika2346 said:

PS. THANKYOU for not spoiling Chrom for us! I got worried for a sec after he said "I'll suppose I'll have to wait"

MrGawain

#149

MrGawain said:

So far we have

6 Mario characters (2 plumbers, 2 girls, 2 dino-thingys)
4 Zelda characters (2 Links, 2 Zeldas)
4 Fire Emblem (2 old, 2 from Awakening)
4 Pokemon
2 Kid Icarus
2 Kirby
2 Donkey Kong
8 Primary main characters from other Nintendo games
3 3rd party, 3 (or 1) Mii's

When you look at it like that, there is a balance, isn't there?

sleepinglion

#151

sleepinglion said:

I would have preferred more diversity.
Shantae! Fighting with long hair and sexy dancing.
Someone from a franchise not already represented would have been sweet.
Though he's no longer a Nintendo exclusive, Simon Belmont or the dudes from Contra, even. There's a LOT of RPG love on display in Smash now. Almost too much.

shonenjump86

#152

shonenjump86 said:

I didn't think there would be more FE characters. Honestly, when Marth was announced I thought he would be the only FE character in Smash 4.

Hy8ogen

#153

Hy8ogen said:

YESH!! At least someone from FE Awakening!!!!! Bummer it's not Tharja, but Lucina is awesome as well!!

Alucard83

#154

Alucard83 said:

Captain America would be a nice add up. I know it's not a Nintendo character, but would be a nice character for this game. Hands Up soldier!

neohopeSTF

#156

neohopeSTF said:

I love this says it the fighters will bring something unique, when Lucina is just a blatant Marth clone.

piojito_O

#157

piojito_O said:

(for me) The good the bad and the ugly:

  • *

Would be neat if we could import our existing MU, not counting on it though.
^_^
Either way SO looking forward to play as Ma.Robin!
(the girl's hair kinda bugs me =T )
*When they said there would be figurines for each character / Does that also include the gender variants?

  • -
    :L
    Nothing personal against Lucina, but out of ALL the HUNDREDS of FE possibilities - They had to go with the Marth clone? =/
    (hope she really is a Marth Alt)

& Why can't they include other classes? Ephraim with his lance and his horsey lol ;-;

  • -
    :k
    I couldn't care less for Capt.Falcon pawnch ,myself - but as long as it's making lots of peeps happy. :hides:

Now how soon could we expect the next batch? :o

3Daniel

#162

3Daniel said:

I think Chrom will be an alt skin for Lucina. They share the same sword in the screenshots but Robin's final smash looks to use him. Oh well. Lucina should have been a Marth skin. I love Fire Emblem but with the character choices you wouldn't think the series had lances, spears, axes, hammers, bows, hatchets, rapiers, or javelins etc. Robin at least breaks the mold with tomes.

SecondServing

#164

SecondServing said:

Robin is cool.

Lucina looks like a clone. Eww. Glad Chrom isn't playable, would've just been ANOTHER clone.

And yay for Cap'n Falcon!

miiandmario

#165

miiandmario said:

Pretty cool! I'm surprised Ness hasn't been announced yet (I still think he will be). And like others are saying I hope none of these characters (and any for that matter) Will be clones.

thesilverbrick

#166

thesilverbrick said:

Why does everybody want to kill off the Gematsu leak? I personally would love the idea of Shulk and one of the choir men (likely Marshall) from Rhythm Heaven in this game. And who's to say that leak is dead, anyway? chrom could've been changed to Lucina during development, seeing the positive reception of all the female characters. And seeing as that leak nailed the Wii Fit Trainer, a character that nobody saw coming, and was right about everything else, I think we should still give it a little bit of credence.

Pixel-Perfect

#167

Pixel-Perfect said:

Ugh... I dunno, I'm not really impressed, but it's nice seeing Fire Emblem get more love. I need to know for sure what's going on with Chrom. Now. I guess it's too optimistic to hope that he could be his own character.

Chouzetsu

#169

Chouzetsu said:

Disappointed Captain Falcon didn't get a more cool introduction. I mean, he just looked so awesome in the "Two Captains" cutscene from Brawl...

B3ND3R

#172

B3ND3R said:

But.. At the end it shows Chrom as well. I guess he could be an alternate costume or a assist.. Maybe part of the final smash Lucina/Robin does..

Joalro

#173

Joalro said:

Sakurai's steps for destroying the internet:

Step one: Search the internet for a leak that has a number of correctly guessed characters

Step two: Only reveal characters that were guessed in that leak

Step three: Ask Monolith to retweet the trailer announcement

Step four: Play trailer, grab some popcorn

AJWolfTill

#175

AJWolfTill said:

People annoyed about the lack of Shulk and Gannondorf need to chill! They just announced three people and you are complaining that a specific person wasn't revealed....
The roster isn't complete yet : P They haven't even added Ness yet so chill!

dkxcalibur

#176

dkxcalibur said:

Ranting, cheering, speculating, yelling, is what Smash character reveals are all about. Nintendo knows this. The hype is good for them. It's part of the community at this point. Plus it's fun to express your thoughts about the game, whether they be negative or positive.

AzureFashionist

#177

AzureFashionist said:

I'm honestly shocked people think Lucina will get her own character slot. She looked to be exactly Marth from his normals and specials to the properties of the moves themselves. Most likely just a model swap (ie: male wii fit trainer) and Chrom only looks to be part of Robin's final smash. Only time will tell from events, reveals, and JP getting the game first.

Turbo857

#181

Turbo857 said:

@Liquid_ice

Okay. I thought you were saying FE should be locked in at 2 characters. But regardless, considering all of Nintendo's franchises, Fire Emblem ranks among their top coolest characters (and designs) which can seamlessly translate to Smash. Smash is not about including an equal or even balanced number of characters across most of Nintendo's IP. It's about bringing together unique characters for some fighting mayhem.

At the very least, Ness will return representing Earthbound again. Wario will be in from Warioware. I don't think any other Warioware character deserves a playable slot (leave'em for assist trophies at best).

As far as Pikmin and Metroid characters, I don't think they have any other characters that are popular enough who deserves a playable slot. Everybody asks for Ridley but he's just too big to be a balanced character, imo. Dark Samus maybe but she'd be very similar to Samus in moveset and the Smash community already loves to shame clones (but Lucina is still a great addition). Louie, Alph, Charlie, and Brittney wouldn't bring anything meaningful to Smash as far as their movesets since they all use Pikmin the same way. I could only see them as alternative costumes for Olimar, which would be a nice touch but isn't really necessary. Golden Sun characters have potential to be interesting Smash fighters but they were only released for handhelds. So, I think they'd be low priority.

Giygas_95

#182

Giygas_95 said:

YAY. I've been enjoying Awakening a lot lately. I'm glad the Captain is back too! At least we know F-Zero isn't COMPLETELY dead. :P

And wow, four Fire Emblem characters!

You know, this just goes to show how great Captain Falcon would have been in Fire Emblem Awakening. Imagine Falcon Punching all the enemies on a map. :D

CaptOlimar30

#183

CaptOlimar30 said:

@noctowl Yeah, the way I phrased that was pretty sucky. It wouldn't surprise me if that was just one factor deciding to create Lucina instead of Marth at some point in development in addition to people's desire for more female characters and trying to create differentiable characters among other concerns.

Of course given that the characters were decided early on it's pretty implausible but I don't think he'd abide by early law on what characters are in if it was only to the game's detriment but I really don't know that. My only question is if it was Gematsu or someone at Nintendo who said the characters were decided early in development.

JCnator

#187

JCnator said:

Two problems with the latest character reveal:

  • Too many Fire Emblem representatives
  • Lucina is a very likable character, but she's basically an expy of Marth with her nearly identical movesets according to the trailer

On a more positive note, I'm happy with Captain Falcon's glorious comeback, while I'm genuinely interested trying out Robin's unique movesets.

Superstick

#189

Superstick said:

I'm very happy to see Captain Falcon back. Now we can see his glorious Falcon Punch in 3D and HD this time! The game releases in only 3 months, so I doubt we'll hear anything else until then.

noctowl

#190

noctowl said:

@CaptOlimar30 I'm not sure where I read it to be honest. I thought it was Sakurai who said it when talking about Greninja. But really I think there is so much happening behind the scenes that you'd have to work at Nintendo to know the whole truth.

Josaku

#191

Josaku said:

I really wished it would have been Ganondorf, buit The Captain is fine too ^^

Ash_Anne

#192

Ash_Anne said:

I am really glad that Robin and Lucina are going to be playable. I hope Nintendo doesn't reveal all of the characters, I would like some surprises.

WaveBoy

#194

WaveBoy said:

I'm not familiar with the Fire Emblem games so those two joining the roster did nothing for me....Two new fire emblem characters? really? More characters with swords? Don't we already have enough? :P I think adding in '2' was a bit of a waste. The majority of nintendo gamers couldn't care less for either. Fire Emblem isn't exactly one of Nintendo's popular franchises, at least outside of japan.

I would of loved to of seen a Wart, Mike Jones or Simon Belmont unveil!
These two are easily the two most underwhelming Smash Bros character reveals so far.

DarkKirby

#196

DarkKirby said:

@GN004Nadleeh

Robin is the "Avatar", the main character in Fire Emblem Awakening. And as such, you can choose what gender to play as (you can rename him/her too like you can rename Link in Zelda games). Robin is the default name because its androgynous.

WaveBoy

#197

WaveBoy said:

Robin...pfff, should of been Bill Rizer
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Sakurai should of just added ROBIN as a newcomer and ditched that other female fire emblem character and made her a character skin for Marth. What a waste of a slot.lol

xj220_afiles

#198

xj220_afiles said:

Anyone think Lucina could be a ''female'' Marth ... just like male/female wii fit trainer ... they both look exactly the same .

PvtOttobot

#199

PvtOttobot said:

@piojito_O lol, he is a character from Fire Emblem Awakening who (despite his massive armour) is consistintly overlooked to the point of near invisibility.

Ioannis

#200

Ioannis said:

Interesting! Captain Falcon has to return, but I'm unfamiliar with the other two. Nice though

piojito_O

#201

piojito_O said:

@PvtOttobot

wut? o.0
Unless somebody kicked the bucket without me noticing [?]
Pages through FE:A roster

OH! RIIIIIGHT! >->
That um feller with the armour...and the hair ..yeah............
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he was one cool dude, one of my favorites.
How could I forget his name? "Kellam" was it? <.<

:Inner dialogue: ''Poor Ottobot, he sees imaginary peoples. :[ ''

retro_player_22

#202

retro_player_22 said:

Damn Fire Emblem had jump from two representatives to five representatives now, six if you still count Lyn as an assist trophy (and who I rather want as a playable character than Lucina). Though I like Robin, I wasn't too interested in Lucina, would rather them just announce Isaac (Golden Sun), Andy (Advance Wars), or Shulk (Xenoblade) instead. Also Captain Falcon is back, now really all we need are confirmation for these characters and we're done: Mr. Game and Watch, Wario, Meta Knight, Ness, and Ganondorf. There's just no more slots for any other character anymore after those. Also since Robin is in the game, Isaac can't be in anymore because his name is also Robin in Japan (the Japanese version of SSB4 will be confusing if both are in, damn Sakurai) so sad face no Golden Sun representative in this game.

Daisaku36

#203

Daisaku36 said:

Hopefully this one is good, I'm not heavily into Smash like a lot of people, plus it isn't like I'll get to play a lot.

BulbasaurusRex

#204

BulbasaurusRex said:

Nice! I really like how they're adding in so many female characters this time around.

While having Chrom would've been nice, he would've been too similar to Marth and Lucina and so fits much better as a Final Smash or Assist Trophy (whichever one he is).

Still hoping to see Shulk or some other Xenoblade character make the cut...

BulbasaurusRex

#205

BulbasaurusRex said:

@JCnator Lucina is probably a faster, less powerful version of Marth, kind of like Link vs. Young/Toon Link, and I doubt her moveset is as similar as the other clone characters (other than post-Melee Mario/Luigi).

FilmerNgameR

#206

FilmerNgameR said:

Lame. Captain Falcon is a no brainer, Lucina was too obvious, and I don't even know who that Robin character is. Sakurai should've surprised us with less predictable characters like he did with Wii Fit trainer and Mega Man. Heck, Shaq would've been a more fun reveal but that's just my opinion.

Nintendobro

#207

Nintendobro said:

You people expect way too much. Well you know what they say you cannot please everyone. The roster is fine to me.

Nintendobro

#208

Nintendobro said:

@WaveBoy well that's the way it is. You are not always gonna get what you want,the earth doesn't revolve on just one person. Personally I think its fine all the characters that I expected are already there. Even if they aren't there are other characters I can use.

Kamalisk

#209

Kamalisk said:

@DarrelltheJ heh. Yes I meant Lucina.I liked Robin, just not happy about Lucina.

Robin looks a lot different, and the tome mechanic could be interesting.

WreckItRyan

#210

WreckItRyan said:

I hope there are enough alternate costumes for Robin, so I can choose one that looks like my avatar from Awakening. It would make sense, no?

Kirk

#211

Kirk said:

Thank the Lord that Captain Falcon has finally been confirmed.

Now; a new F-Zero game please...

xerneas

#216

xerneas said:

@MussakkuLaden Uhhh, nope. The new-ish FE: Awakening was the most popular FE game yet, why the hell would they bring back some Roy no one cares about when there are newer characters people actually like.

Great_Gonzalez

#217

Great_Gonzalez said:

I'm over the moon with all the Fire Emblem love!!! :D Smash on the 64 was my first exposure to this fantastic series! Wish we could have some characters from the GBA game we got I wanna see Hector swinging his axe about! Or guy ooh and how about Dart too and Canas!!!

Ryu_Niiyama

#219

Ryu_Niiyama said:

I'm done. I'm officially so hyped for this game that my head is gonna explode. I thought at best Lucina would be a Marth skin but her own character?! YESSSSSSS! Also so happy about Fem!Robin! Is it Holiday yet? My WiiU craves this game!

On a less crazy note... So I think the roster is up to 35 now? The rest has to be veterans. If they are doing Amiibo for the whole roster I'm going to have to take out a loan....

FlaygletheBagel

#221

FlaygletheBagel said:

It amazes me people are upset over the character reveals today. What would you have preferred, Chrom? He's just another sword user who would've had a slightly different moveset from Marth at best.

Robin is an incredibly unique fighter, and Captain Falcon was revealed as returning (which Sakurai really has no obligation to do), and Lucina, even if she turns out to be a faster and weaker clone of Marth (which I doubt she will be), that still makes her one of only two clones in Smash 4 (correct me if I'm wrong. I'm counting Toon Link. I don't count Falco or Luigi as clones since they have distinct movesets).

Point is, this is one of the most diverse rosters in Smash Bros history, and people are still hating on it. Heck, you have Mario, Mega Man, Pac Man, and Sonic all in the same game and people are still complaining.

Be excited to play the game and enjoy it for the awesome game it will be, or don't buy it. It's as simple as that. I for one am going to love this game and can't wait to pick up both versions.

GamerFromJump

#222

GamerFromJump said:

That makes three characters from my newcomer wish list confirmed and one deconfirmed so far.

Lucina needed more intro to her move set, though. All we saw were normal attacks.

Henmii

#223

Henmii said:

Lots of Fire emblem in this one! And lots of females too. Also: Falcon ppppuuuunchhh, finally!

Turbo857

#224

Turbo857 said:

@WaveBoy

Dude, one person should never speak for a "majority" just because you're not a fan of the series. Forget majority, EVERY Nintendo fan should at least be familiar with Fire Emblem as a series and as a Smash fan these character reveals are awesome. The more unique fighters we have the better.

JellySplat

#227

JellySplat said:

@TheKingOfTown

Why yes. Yes I did pay attention to the story. In fact, I've "payed attention to the story" Over three times; Enough to say that Chrom, is definitely one of the three main characters. Lucina, Avatar, and Chrom.

That said, I think Chrom deserved better. He's at least as (if not more) important of a character than Robin and Lucina. IMO

ALEC_EIFFEL

#229

ALEC_EIFFEL said:

Chrom is a non-confirmed playable character, it just takes reasoning if you visit the smash bros official site. Lucina is listed as UPDATE, that means, she is a skin to Marth, update applies to previous smash combatants or alternate skin or forms; therefore, I am PRETTY SURE the fire emblem smash line of combatants is: Marth (Lucina as skin), Ike, Chrom and Robin.

Also, watch the trailer and see Chrom's pose on nintendolife's other post, it is completely different.

Genesaur

#230

Genesaur said:

'Bout time we got Captain Falcon confirmed. I was getting kinda worried for a bit, there.

We sure have a lot of Fire Emblem representation. Not a bad thing, per se, just a little unbalanced, I guess. Mario doesn't count.

Ark

#231

Ark said:

@ALEC_EIFFEL
Robin is also listed as "UPDATE" despite being a new character. If you look at the character page on the mobile site, the Lucina banner shown displays "newcomer" in a manner similar to all the others. Lastly, when you click on Lucina from the desktop version, "newcomer" also becomes displayed. It's likely just because they've never had back to back newcomers with not enough veterans in between and they want it to be aesthetically pleasing. There's nothing to imply that she's a skin that I can see and some have noted differences in her attack animations.

I see no reason why Chrom would be playable when he has been confirmed to be part of Robin's Final Smash. It would be rather redundant. Logic dictates that if Chrom were playable, Lucina would not have gotten a page since there was ample opportunity to give him an introduction in the Fire Emblem-heavy trailer.

Klunk23

#233

Klunk23 said:

Well I guess this puts down my hopes for Henry as a playable character. Joking aside I love the new characters. The sword centered move sets of Marth and Ike was what made them my favorite characters so Lucina looks right up my alley. Though her move set looks the same as Marths, Being a newcomer she'll have to be different in some way, so I'll be looking forward to seeing more on her. Robin looks very interesting. Unlike the other Fire Emblem characters he isn't really a sword based character (which it confuses me why people are complaining about him being one). I mean, he has a sword but he seems to barely use it. The main bulk of his attacks are projectile based attacks. I'll have to try out his move set before I see if I'll play as him out not. He's a cool edition either way.

SavoirFaire

#235

SavoirFaire said:

@Hy8ogen You and I, so that's two!

I enjoyed the reveal, and I never realized my character's default name was Robin in FE:A (guess I wasn't paying attention at that point!).

I don't mind FE series having a lot of characters, it seems like this could end up being a very crowded roster, something some may think of as "too much" and others just think of as fun. Put me down as thinking of it as fun!

AlexSora89

#236

AlexSora89 said:

Glad Falcon made the cut once more, now the only "essentials" missing are Ness and the Ice Climbers (Jigglypuff is the only one missing alongside Ness, but unlike him we have plenty Pokémon characters already).

That said, I'm only disappointed we didn't get Isaac, but there are still two months before the portable Smash gets released in Japan. As for Rayman, as long as we can say Sakurai had a lot of fun twisting the knife today (Rayman sort of being in the game, commenting on the lack of F-Zero games under Falcon's Miiverse post, and giving Chrom a Final Smash-only appearance), the only other disappointment is that (it's a whim of mine, of course) with Rayman not being playable we've lost the potential of an awesomely wacky trailer in the Rayman art style, complete with UbiArt Engine.

AshFoxX

#237

AshFoxX said:

So how many more Fire Emblem 'red shirts' are going to wind up on a Smash roster? (I understand it's a popular series and lots of folks love it, I say red shirts because I suck at it and more often than not, the permadeath leaves my party rather sparse, lol!)

Einherjar

#239

Einherjar said:

@rbmoura85 Well, the reason could just be appreciation for what Ubi has done (planned to do) with Rayman on the WiiU.
But youre right in that its certainly strange, since they stated that they wont go for more than two guests at the time.
If you want to lean out of the window, you could also say, that maybe rayman is "pending" and they are waiting for Ubis approval to fully feature him ;)
OR it could be a friendly sideswipe. Rayman wasnt exclusive afterall, so rayman is featured, but not playable :P

@Topic I just visited our german Smash Bros page, and on the Frontpage, every character is listed as "Update" and yet, everyone is tagged as "Newcomer" on their respective page, even Lucina.
So, quite a bit of confusion there. If i get this right, some have her listed as an "Update" and some have her listed as a newcomer and no one is really sure if shes a skin of marth or not...
Also, for us germans, Robin is actually called "Daraen" which isnt even a real Name O.o
Im used to the fact, that our translation team likes to switch around names, but why did they change robin ? Its a prefectly gender neutral name even around here, weird.

EDIT: Another thing regarding Lucina: All newcomers to the series (not just this game, like Shiek and co) have bigger "tiles" on the frontpage, three times as big as other characters. Lucina on the other hand, just has a small one like the rest of the veterans.
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DanteSolablood

#246

DanteSolablood said:

I'm fine with the new characters, the one thing you can't accuse Nintendo of is failing to give players a choice. As for getting "too non-nintendoey"... well they've already used most of their characters several times already. You either keep things fresh & add characters from further afield or moan about the "same old fighters".

I must also add that female Robin looks a bit like Maka Albarn from Soul Eater - a definite bonus.

P.S. The "update" against Robin at the end of the video might just be referring to the fact that they added the option onto the end of the video at the last moment... it certainly seems tacked on.

piojito_O

#248

piojito_O said:

@deathmetalkrunc

I always said Vaati was just the guy for the Magic/Sword mix. (or Kratos :cough: )
MU will do; even if they took their sweet time..


Even more disturbing :
Is the mob of people here cheering for the guy that
was about to fire punch a lady in the face o_____O
Shame on all of youse! =P

Then again.. she got her other FE buddies to gang up on her rescuer.. just WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

Sakura_Moonlight2421

#250

Sakura_Moonlight2421 said:

@HopeNForever

Robin is the default name for FE: Awakening player's avatar. And those were the default appearance for both genders. Though I highly doubt we will be able to fully customize Robin in Smash though.

Lasermaster123

#251

Lasermaster123 said:

@AlexSora89

Looks like I missed posting here :P

Was so looking forward to a Golden Sun reveal!!! Sakurai when are you going to announce Isaac? Especially after you announced a Marth clone as a separate slot character!

By the way didn't they say Ice climbers would be tough to add or something?

retro_player_22

#252

retro_player_22 said:

@Lasermaster123 Sorry to say this but Isaac can't be in Super Smash Bros. 4 anymore. Main reason, because Robin is already in the game and in Japan Isaac's Japanese name is Robin so they can't have 2 Robins in the same game, that would confused the Japanese player. If there's any other Golden Sun representative that still had a chance to be in SSB4 it would either had to be one of these: Matthew, Felix, Garet, or Piers.

Lasermaster123

#253

Lasermaster123 said:

@retro_player_22
That is not a problem. Sorry to say this but you have done only half your research :P Isaac's Japanese name is definitely Robin but the Fire Emblem Awakening's Robin's Japanese name is Reflet. So even if they add Isaac from Golden Sun, this will be not be a issue.

On the other hand Garet or Piers are most unlikely to be added to the roster as they are not as important as Isaac, Matthew or Felix, these 3 being protagonists of a game each. Even Felix seems unlikely as he does not make an appearance in GS 3. Isaac and Matthew seem most likely, especially Isaac as he has the largest role combined in the three games and has been an assist trophy and can be made into a playable character.

I am still looking forward to Isaac's reveal :D

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