I used to love this on the Dreamcast, but I also really liked the Phantom Menace game on PC blush In my defence that was back when I was relying on my parents to buy my video games, so would get 1 for my birthday and maybe 2 at Christmas. I'd be lucky to have 10 titles per generation, and when having so little exposure to games, you can't tell when something is terrible.

Oh, and I've said this several times already, but a lot of people seem to think that releasing Mario, Zelda and Metroid will solve everything. Check those Wii sales charts. SMG, SMG2, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword aren't troubling the best sellers, and there isn't a Metroid game in the top 50. Nintendo can make the Wii U a success, but they have to work at it, not be like most of here and go 'Meh, it will be fine once we release Smash Bros'.

Nintendo don't need third parties, but they probably want them. If the Wii U sold Gamecube numbers, then it wouldn't be a disaster for them, but would they be happy just throwing in the towel like that? Now they'll never get the huge sellers as exclusives, but what about some cult hits? Kingdom Hearts 3 and Shenmue 3 might not be too hard to secure, and would certainly get a lot of hardcore gamers interested in a Wii U. Try and get Platinum to sign a contract for more games too because there IS a chance that Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta could bomb sales wise like Lego City did, and they might not be so eager to keep making Wii U exclusives then.

I'm in the camp that isn't really a fan of this either. I just don't consider it a Mario game.

@Imac99 I don't have anything against them at all, they're obviously well made. I just suck at them (and all fighting games). I always end up buying really highly rated fighters and I can never get into them. Of course, my only experiences with SSB so far have been playing it with friends that are pretty good, so I just spend the entire time having my ass kicked.

I'd like to see a Nintendo Kart too. I'm guessing at this point the brand name is too strong for them to stop making Mario Kart though. Heck, for all the Mario brand sports games they should just use everyone. It's not like they have to hold the characters back for Zelda Golf or Metroid Tennis.

Well, unless something major changes between now and E3, they'll get to show off their games to a lot more people by doing it through store demo pods that just putting them up for download through the Wii U itself. I know Microsoft was putting up demos of games from E3 as far back as 06 though, so not really an unprecedented move.

I'm bored of Mario Kart, not a fan of Smash Bros but new 3D Mario is huge for me. They're usually worth buying a console for. I just hope it's not too gimmicky with the gamepad. I want them to just focus on making a great Mario game.

I get that they're saving the big announcements for E3... but I feel they should have shown more today. The Wii U needs a good news buzz vibe around it right now. With so many huge titles being revealed to not be coming out for it, on top of continued abysmal hardware and software sales (nobody can say these are normal for a new console anymore), they just need something to get people excited.

There will be announcements at E3, but there's also the possibility that by E3, a lot of potential customers could instead have being swayed by the Sony and MS reveals. Now was the time to get news websites focused on some good Wii U news.

Not interested myself, but I know those Sonic and Mario Olympics games are big sellers, so it could help sell some systems around the holidays.

Is anyone else a bit worried that Nintendo are totally missing the point with DLC? What happens next time they're considering some major additional content, but they feel it's not worth producing a disc... do they bother with it at all?

It also sets a bad precedent that Nintendo fans are prepared to pay the cost of almost a new game for some DLC.

As long as they review well, Pikmin 3 and W101 will finally be the first Wii U games I actually want to play. Pretty sure they'll both turn out good too. Yay!

Well that was underwhelming They'd have been better off skipping this one entirely.

@hiptanaka @baba_944 I believe MS don't allow ports unless they come out the same day as the original. So Ubi had to decide... exclusive for the Wii U and risk making a big loss, or delay to release it on everything. At the time people said it would have been a huge seller in February, but lets not forget it was competing with NSMBU as a 2D platformer. Lego City had no competition on its genre and still sold bad. It sucks, but you can see why these decisions get made, and it's not because everyone hated Nintendo.

They've put a lot of effort in the last 12 months so I'm glad to see it rewarded with better sales, but it had such a horrible start, that improving on it really wasn't a tough job.

More bad news for Wii U. Lego City 3DS was the 10th best seller with 94k copies sold. That means the Wii U version sold less than 94k all month. Possibly a LOT less. That's one of the big exclusives. Do people now understand why Ubisoft had to make Rayman multiplatform? And with regards to hardware... Xbox 360 has it's worst monthly sales ever, at nearly 8 years old but still sells four times as much as Wii U. For anyone saying Wii U sales are normal for a new console, take a good long look at that. It's not all doom and gloom, Nintendo can turn it around with games, but thank god a lot of posters here don't run Nintendo as many are still claiming the figures are fine and Nintendo don't need to put more effort in.

I'm so fed up of reading people using the term 'unprecedented relationship'. Get over it. Things change. The money they have lost on Wii U games so far more than justifies their decision to me.

I don't buy the claim that they're doing this because Nintendo didn't want them to handle the online of the Wii. They don't handle the online systems of the other consoles either, but they're not ignoring them. I think, given Nintendo's history, it's far more likely they got EA to do a lot of work on the online system and then with it pretty much done, they pulled out, as they did with Sony and the SNES CD add-on back in the day.

Like I said though, there doesn't need to be any bad blood. Spending a few million porting NFSMW U and then having it sell under 10k units is more than enough reason to give up on a console until it's userbase grows.

@SparkOfSpirit Maybe. It seems weird to organise an event for the media to play your upcoming games so they can go away and write positive stuff about them, but supply them with a poor build. I'll be getting it anyway, my free game in the NOE promotion, I just hope NLife haven't ignored major technical issues.

I'm surprised people are moaning it's not got a 10/10 despite having frame rate issues. I had a friend go to the recent media event and he said the frame rate issues were terrible, and by that point it was almost certainly ready to go gold within a week so he couldn't see it being fixed. He actually described it as a mess.

@DefHalan That's not how it works. Nintendo won't control the ads, they just get the payment for it. They won't be Nintendo ads.

It's kind of sad that on the day EA of all people drop their online passes, Nintendo pulls a move like this. Yeah, it's their right to do so, nobody is denying that, but why are they doing it? The money they will make on these ads is nothing to them, but it's stirring up a lot of ill will towards Nintendo from gamers, which is exactly what they don't need right now. They have annoyed a lot of people today, people that are pretty hardcore Nintendo fans.

Hoping for some new game announcements but they're probably saving those for around E3 time.

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If you go to the bottom of this article, it says [via Kotaku.com] at the end. Click that link for the Kotaku piece

Tom Nook is Nintendo's greatest villain haha.

I loved the Kotaku article on this yesterday, especially the YouTube video they found of the kid ranting when she came to the realisation he was a loan shark!

It's doing well for me, but plenty of room for improvement. I think the DS had a far stronger library after 2 years, but things are really improving as of late. Fire Emblem is in my top 2 games of the year so far and Luigi's Mansion isn't far behind.

@gaby_gabito @Koto EA or Dice have never said that Frostbite won't run on Wii U. I'm repeating myself here, but all they said was that Frostbite doesn't run well on it. There are some detailed arguments above about the Wii U's architecture above which explains how this comment is perfectly feasible. Could they get it running on Wii U? Of course, but that would take work, and they're calculating based on what's happened so far that the time and money required to rework the engine would not get recouped in game sales. If Wii U sales improve, they'll probably reconsider. That doesn't contradict any of their statements so far.

I bet they will eventually get it running on Wii U, and most on here will react with 'SEE! THEY WERE LYING BEFORE!!!', but they have never said the Wii U isn't powerful enough. If they'd added 'and Wii U game sales aren't currently high enough for us to work on optimizing our engine' they'd still get flamed by people that seem to think these companies should be happy to make a loss in order to help Nintendo shift some hardware. Everyone is in this business to make money, even Nintendo.

@KLer They never said Wii U can't run Frostbite, they said it doesn't run very well on Wii U. Frostbite is different to most modern engines in that it relies on the CPU a lot (my laptop with a crappy GT540m can run BF3 maxed out because it has an i7 quad core CPU. Most other new games won't run nearly as well). The Wii U has a weaker CPU than PS3 and 360, so it's not far-fetched to believe Frostbite as it is now will run pretty badly on it. They could rework the engine to spread the load to the GPU, but with Wii U sales being so poor it's not worth it. If sales pick up and there's a chance for them to make money I'm sure they'll spend to get it running on Wii U.

@Damo Why don't you think it's worth them creating a new engine? Android and IOS combined dwarfs console numbers. It's a huge jump from current PC tech to smartphones, a port would take so much work it would be like creating a new engine anyway.

Wow, that's so ugly! Most of these limited edition ones look awful recently. What happened to the great designs like the golden Zelda GBA SP, the red Mario SP and that lovely Zelda 3DS?

It's a new mobile engine, so the power argument is moot. They're not getting frostbite running on mobile systems, but creating a NEW frostbite for mobiles. Obviously the market is big enough for them to feel its worth it, but for the Wii U it's not.

Of course 75% of comments will just call EA Nintendo haters and ignore common sense.

And all those people laughing when this got rumoured last week. It's clear that they're just publishing the game that Yukes were making for THQ, and since THQ didn't put it out on Wii U last year, they probably didn't again.

I think for next year, it will be a fresh start, a proper 2K game and should come to Wii U. Hopefully they get rid of Yukes too. They've been cutting and pasting for too long.

I can see people would go nuts over a statement like this, but it really should be about the games and not the hardware. The idea that you'd need a specific brand of DVD player to watch the biggest movies of the year is ridiculous, but that's how the video game industry is. My favourite consoles are my favourites for their games library, not for the hardware itself.

@BraveBold5 As I said in the original article, people have different definitions of the word generation. If a developer is working on games built ground up for the next Sony and MS consoles, it's not going to be easy to port to Wii U. I imagine a lot of development studios right now are trying to decide wether their next game should be a 'next gen' or current gen game. All they mean is shall we programme based on the high specs of the upcoming consoles, or the specs of consoles that are out now. They're not trying to put down the Wii U by not counting it as next gen, it's just a quick an easy term for games that are made for the next Sony and MS consoles.

It's not a U turn at all, since its not contradicting anything he said originally. The problem is the way people over react and twist these dev comments. I'm pretty sure he said he loved the Wii U in his original comments, and he never said they wouldn't ever look at making a game for it. However, if anyone comes our and says they have no current plans for Wii U, 75% of commenters here label them fanboys that hate Nintendo.

@Pod If they were 'changing' to Kickstarter they'd refund all original donators. They're not changing, they're just creating another campaign on the side.

I've said this whole set up was dodgy from the start, and that's just looking more and more true. This game will never come out.

There's a huge irony here. For a community that lives by the motto 'it's all about the gameplay', there's a staggering amount of people that seem to care more for a box on a shelf that the game itself.

I made a forum post about lack of new IPs on the forum a while back and got the same replies about eShop titles and then third party games that Nintendo published. I don't care how much Nintendo support a developer, it doesn't make it a Nintendo developed IP. The fanboys on here might want to think otherwise, but it's generally accepted in the gaming community they haven't made a proper new IP for gamers since Pikmin. People go on about the Nintendo charm, well The Last Story is rather lacking in that. It's pretty average.

And the argument about what have Sony and Microsoft done is kinda childish. It doesn't matter if Sony and Microsoft develop no games for their consoles because so many others do. Everyone on here always states they buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, so of course there's far more expectation on Nintendo. It's what they do. Every generation it becomes 'Just wait for Mario, Zelda and Metroid' and it's in serious danger of getting stale. At least on the other two consoles, the big games of the gen are usually IPs that were born in that generation. On the PSOne, stuff like Tomb Raider, Resident Evil and Crash Bandicoot were the big games, but in the PS2 era, people moved onto things like Devil May Cry, Guitar Hero, Burnout, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Halo, Fable. This gen the big games have been Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect and so on. I love Nintendo games, and I know that Mario, Zelda and Metroid will always be GOTY contenders, but it would be nice to have some new, real games. Don't tell me I'm suppose to consider Wii Fit as a great game, no matter how many it sold.

I'm not surprised. I think Nintendo was in a tough position here. If the game had come out without the bug, nobody would have cared, but because they fixed it, they're going to get some stick. It's a bit disappointing, but they were in a no win situation.

To the people saying it's a kid's game... I don't see why that matters. I don't think it's right at all to tell all kids that only man + woman is normal, because they grow up thinking that and later on have problems accepting anything else. You'd never get away with saying 'we can't have black people in this game, it's for kids!'.

I'm constantly surprised by the fact people think its a 3rd party developers duty to send their game out so it can help Wii U sell. Putting a game on when install base is low isn't showing balls, it's making a poor financial decision.

Fire Emblem isn't a big name so I think it did fantastically well to chart so high originally. I imagine Nintendo will be quite pleased with it's figures.

I don't think sales will be amazing but I'd be stunned if they do as badly as Wii U on a month by month basis. Most people will wait for a price drop, but the consoles will tick all the boxes for your typical early adopter. Wii U isn't really targeting those hardcore people that buy at launch, it's targeting the sort of people that buy it a year or two later.

We'll have a better idea after E3. There's so much apathy for Wii U because it has no games, so if Sony and MS fail to get at least a couple of must have titles for launch, nobody is going to want them.

Just the original article... wow, people complain about NLife posting too much about Kickstarter a lot recently, but this has got to be the most tenuous link yet!

It would be nice to have a bit of context for that quote, because as much as I love Zelda games, they have almost no story to them and they're very linear, which goes against what Spector has been going on about for the last few months.

@LavaTwlight It's true Sony said the PS3 would have a 10 year lifespan, but I don't think anyone thought they meant no PS4 for 10 years. They meant the PS3 would still be going strong in 10 years, much like the PS2 kept going, with big titles such as Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2 and Okami coming out after the 360 and PS3 had arrived. New FIFA games still come out on the PS2 now.

And they don't need 4K TVs to reach their full potential. We were stuck with 480p in North America and 520p in Europe from the NES to the Wii, but games still got more technologically advanced.

I don't think the next Sony or MS consoles are going to sell that well to begin, as more and more people wait for price drops these days. My comments about the power were just relating to what this Insomniac guy said about considering the Wii U a different generation.

Everyone has a different interpretation of which generation a console belongs to. You've got to be able to see why they class it as a different gen to those other two consoles. To a dev these days, the have to decide wether they're working on a next-gen project, that uses higher specced consoles, or a current gen game. If they make a next-gen game, it's made with the PS4 and Infinity in mind, and it's not going to be an easy port to Wii U. It would take a lot of effort to tweak and downscale it, and then it actually becomes a separate project in itself. That's why they class the console as part of a different gen. I honestly believe they're not using that term to try and insult the Wii U, they're just saying the games they're making can easily be ported to two consoles, but not easily put on Wii U because of it's lower specs.

@LavaTwlight Everyone knows the specs of the PS4 and the Infinity, it's not some secret because they're not available to buy yet. Developers have had dev kits for a long, long time. And I'm sorry, but they didn't plan to release new consoles til 2016? That's rubbish. They've been developing since way before Nintendo revealed the Wii U.

@3DSLUIGI It should be possible. I think the Dreamcast discs were closer to CD capacity than DVD. PSN has PSone and PS2 games, and PS3, 360 and Wii U all allow you to buy some full retail games digitally.

They need to get more Saturn and Dreamcast classics up for download. Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Shining Force 3 and Panzer Dragoon Saga are just a few of the games that for most people are near impossible to play due to their rarity.

What a sham. They're just trying to disassociate themselves from the mess they got into. Precursor is SK in all but name.

As people have said, they're not excluding women, but the same sex relationship is a bug. I really hope they don't patch it out.

I didn't know you could crossdress in New Leaf. That is pretty cool. I've always got the impression that Japan was a lot more relaxed about all this as you get so much cross dressing or transgenderism in anime, manga, JRPGs etc. Even Nintendo games with the paper Mario character and Birdo from Doki Doki Panic.

Nice to see MOST people reacting positively to this too. Proud of you, NLife community!

I want them to explain how they are offering episides 1-5 to donators when the 1.5 will only give them enough to make 1 episode.