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FlaygletheBagel

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#1

FlaygletheBagel commented on Early NX Reveal Was To "Reinforce Commitment" ...:

@Marshi I hate to break it to you, but that's probably what they're going for. Zelda Wii U wasn't just delayed to 2016, it was delayed indefinitely. You know what else has an indefinite release date? The NX. I don't think that's coincidence.

You'll probably see it on Wii U too of course... But it won't be a Wii U exclusive.

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#3

FlaygletheBagel commented on Video: New Interviews Uncover Rare's History, ...:

"Given the amount of love and attention we've bestowed Xbox One title Rare Replay recently..."

Hahah, seriously? You all literally just posted a soapbox a few days ago complaining about how Rare Replay wasn't on a Nintendo console. I hardly think that's bestowing any "love and attention" on the game. Just expressing outright jealousy that Xbox owners get to play it and you don't.

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#4

FlaygletheBagel commented on Soapbox: It's A Tragedy That Rare Replay Isn't...:

@BinaryFragger @larry_koopa @hYdeks

Couldn't have said it better than you guys. The idea that MS fans "don't really deserve" this collection is a load of hypocritical garbage. Any Bayonetta fan could've made the same argument - that Nintendo fans "don't really deserve" Bayonetta 2, since Platinum never made the original for a Nintendo console. If you're a Nintendo fan who welcomed Bayonetta 2 with open arms, you have to be okay if other companies get your favorite games too.

Here's a novel idea: rather than crying about how other consoles have games that yours won't play, rather than demonizing other companies who put games on consoles other than yours, maybe you can just save up and buy the other console.

That's the allure of "exclusives", folks. This is not anything new, and it's something many of you should already be familiar with as Nintendo fans. If you want games from Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studios, Guerilla Games, and third parties, you buy a PS4. If you want games from Retro, Next Level Games, and Nintendo's other studios, you buy a Wii U/NX. And imagine this: if you want games from 343, Turn 10, third parties, and now Rare, you need an Xbox One.

If you want a game, get the platform it's on. That's my soapbox.

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#6

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: Assessing the Odds of Super Mar...:

I don't know if a "commercial splash" is what this game is going to pull off. I'm sure it'll have a great attach rate and that Wii U owners will buy it, but bundling it with systems isn't going to move units. Not after Nintendo has been talking up the NX so much.

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#7

FlaygletheBagel commented on Genyo Takeda The Likely Choice For Nintendo Pr...:

Miyamoto hasn't exactly been at the top of his game lately. Between the two of them, I would prefer to see Takeda take the reins. Doubtful that this might happen, but my favorite scenario would be an outside hire or a younger president shaking things up a little bit.

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#8

FlaygletheBagel commented on Exclusive: Project CARS "Simply Too Much For W...:

@TheLastLugia

You can stop with the sarcastic tirade now. Every publisher has issues and everyone does the whole remake/sequel nonsense, Nintendo included. You've got to admit Nintendo hasn't been the saintly bringer of new ideas this gen:

Pikmin 3
New Super Mario Bros. U
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Super Mario 3D World
Yoshi's Woolly World
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Mario Party 10
Wind Waker HD
Wii Fit U
Wii Sports Club

Don't get me wrong, most of these are great and polished games, but they're either remakes or iterations on pre-established formulas. They're no less derivative than any of the competitors you mock.

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#9

FlaygletheBagel commented on Industry Analysts Speculate On Nintendo's Futu...:

Pachter makes a lot of sense here. Proprietary IP for proprietary hardware is definitely on the wane. This is the first console Nintendo has been selling based on first party power alone, and it's not going well for them.

Ironically, despite trying to make this gen's hardware "innovative," most of Nintendo's actual games have been anything but.

Pikmin 3
New Super Mario Bros. U
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Super Mario 3D World
Yoshi's Woolly World
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Mario Party 10
Wind Waker HD
Wii Fit U
Wii Sports Club

Don't get me wrong, most of these are great and polished games, but they're either remakes or iterations on pre-established formulas. To look at Nintendo's whole lineup and claim that it's less derivative than anyone else's is a bit farfetched. Perhaps if Nintendo were not shackled to a dead proprietary piece of hardware, desperately trying to get well-known franchises on it for it to sell, they would be able to stop playing it safe with their actual games.

And that's a Nintendo I hope Iwata's successor is able to bring forth.

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#10

FlaygletheBagel commented on Exclusive: Project CARS "Simply Too Much For W...:

There's definitely some fault on both sides... Slightly Mad probably shouldn't have promised a Wii U version if that weren't certain they could deliver one. But then, Nintendo shouldn't have designed a console that's so damn hard to develop for.

This is probably the least surprising news I've seen in awhile. And if Nintendo makes their next hardware an obstacle like they have with the Wii U, I think we'll see them out of the hardware business sooner rather than later.

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#13

FlaygletheBagel commented on Poll: What Do You Want From Nintendo's NX Plat...:

@Aromaiden Definitely. They need all of their big sellers in attendance. At the bare minimum, a true 3D Mario, probably a 2D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash and so on. The Wii U had most of those things and still didn't sell well, so Nintendo's IPs, while rich and coveted, are starting to lose even their selling power (at least when they're the only things you can play on a 350 dollar console). Again, I hope they figure it out, but it's a precarious position they're in.

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#14

FlaygletheBagel commented on Poll: What Do You Want From Nintendo's NX Plat...:

In reference to the first poll question: The NX has been all but confirmed as a home console. Reggie referred to it as such in one of his interviews at E3, and the Metroid Prime creator heavily implied that if a full home console Metroid game was to be made, it would be developed for the NX instead of the Wii U (implying that NX is indeed the successor to the Wii U).

All that said, Nintendo has a near-insurmountable hill to climb with their next console. If it's another gimmicky console that lacks the power of its competitors', then Nintendo will again be stuck without third parties, stuck supporting a console by themselves. Which, judging from the way the Wii U is faring on that design philosophy, can most likely spell failure for the NX.

Then again, even if they do everything right, even if they release a console more powerful than PS4 and Xbox One, win back third parties, and release a gimmick-free console with a host of solid launch titles, they still face the significant obstacle of launching mid-generation, when both the PS4 and Xbox One are hitting their stride. Which means those consoles will already have a host of great games available to play, and meanwhile Nintendo will be starting from zero.

All that is to say the odds are significantly stacked against Nintendo. They don't exactly have consumer confidence right now and they alienate a greater number of their most devoted fans by the day. While I do hope Nintendo can pull a rabbit out of their hats on this one, they've got a LOT of work to do before the NX has any prayer of being a success.

As I've stated before, it took Sony an entire generation to win back gamers and third parties after the pitiful PS3 launch. Microsoft is still recovering from theirs this generation too. Nintendo has that much work to do within the next year or two, and it hardly looks like they're even trying!

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#15

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

@FLUX_CAPACITOR

Nope. I'm not Quorthon. If you look at my post history, I have interacted with him several times. And I was a pretty blind defender of Nintendo pretty early on in my post history too. It took me much longer to get burnt out on Nintendo than it took him, as far as I know.

Yes, as surprising as it is, there's more than one person on this site who takes issue with takes the way Nintendo does things.

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#17

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

@FLUX_CAPACITOR

"The problem is that you are an imbecile."

You really expect me to take your points seriously when you use an ad hominem like that? Especially after you go on a noble rant about how you hate trolling? That sure gives validity to your argument.

All of my criticisms of Nintendo have been perfectly reasonable. The rumors turned out to be true and Nintendo is not publishing this game in North America. Just because the game is still coming out in North America does not change that fact.

My underlying point was not even so much about this particular piece of news, but rather the long string of problems Nintendo keeps stepping into post-E3, and how little they seem to care about rectifying those problems. Maybe if you had taken my comment in its context you would've seen that.

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#18

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

@MadAdam81 I'd argue even negative reactions that seem like "fan boy hate" will still help Nintendo in some way. It means even their most faithful fans are starting to get upset with them. It still leads to them changing, but you're right - I personally would rather see more healthy critique and less hate.

I'd also argue the more harmful fanboy reaction of the two extremes is rushing to Nintendo's side to defend their every action, even when their actions make no sense and continually strip away their own fans. Sometimes negativity is needed. With a company like Nintendo, it takes a lot of it to get through their pride.

Do I endorse blind hate? No. But a lot of people here have a right to be upset with them.

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#19

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

@FLUX_CAPACITOR @DiscoGentleman @WiltonRoots @jakysnakydx

See my above comment (243) on why negative feedback is a good thing.

I'm glad people are finally critiquing Nintendo, because it's been a long time coming, and it breeds positive change. If you only wanted to read positive content, why are you even in a comment section? Why are you even on this journalistic website, which sometimes involves negative opinions? If you want blissfully ignorant positivity, you'd be more satisfied reading promotional materials on Nintendo's official website.

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#20

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

@Aromaiden

Exactly. Incentive needs to be there before Nintendo has any chance of changing for the better.

Although at this point, I don't know if even releasing a powerful console will solve their woes. Even if Nintendo does everything else right, they're launching mid-generation when PS4 and Xbox One will likely be hitting their stride. PS4 will probably be fast approaching 40 million sales, and Xbox One will be gaining significant traction too. PS4 and Xbox One will have tons of games to choose from by that point. Nintendo, meanwhile, will be starting from zero. And if the average hardcore gamer has already spent 400 dollars on a machine that plays current gen games, would they really be willing to shell out another 400 just to play half of those games, plus the few extra Nintendo titles? Already Nintendo has to pitch to people who want to (or who are able to) buy a second console, which is hurting their chances as it is.

Not only are they launching mid-generation, but they also have the near-impossible task of winning back third party publishers and developers, and winning back the goodwill of its own dwindling fanbase. That's something that took Sony a whole generation to do with the PS3. And Nintendo hasn't even started doing those things today (especially not with their fanbase)!

I don't know. It's an uphill battle for sure. One I hope they succeed at, but one that I have the sinking feeling they're going to fail at. And if they fail, hopefully they go third party so they can still provide hardcore experiences without the 400 dollar entry point.

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#21

FlaygletheBagel commented on Devil's Third Will Be Released In North Americ...:

I wish I were surprised by this news. I really do. But after the past few weeks of bad news Nintendo has been dishing out, it's just another normal weekday. Whoever is in charge of Nintendo's PR department sure has a lot of work to do!

It's kind of good that Nintendo has been flubbing it so badly since E3. It means that Nintendo fans (like myself) are finally forced to open their eyes and see them for the out-of-touch, prideful company they really are.

Change happens through critique and honest feedback, not blindly defending every action as being a good one. Most people on this site have been defending all of Nintendo's questionable decisions this generation (crappy console reveal, crappy third party support, artificial scarcity, amiibo shortages, Youtube Creators Program, locked on-disc DLC that's only accessible through $13+ amiibo, tablet controller that not even Nintendo knows how to make games for, etc.), but now E3 and Nintendo's subsequent mishaps are driving away even the most devoted of Nintendo fans (like myself).

Everyone in the comment section who is complaining about negative reactions needs to a) understand you're in a comment section, where people are (believe it or not) allowed to express positive and negative opinions, and b) understand that Nintendo has no incentive to change things unless its fans speak out with their voices and, most importantly, their wallets. Pretending nothing is wrong is only giving Nintendo further reason to continue in their current direction.

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#23

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@GuyWithTheGames This is one of the most laughable comments I've ever seen. What is it with people who come to a comment section (on any website) and expect to only see positivity? Is it really that hard to be in the presence of people you disagree with?

Nintendo needs tough love. When I critique them, it's because I love them and really do want to see them do well. That's not going to happen when they're surrounded by "yes men" who refuse to believe the predicament they're in and ignore the poor decisions they make.

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#24

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@TheLastLugia I agree, Sony and MS haven't done much to differentiate themselves this generation. At the very least they openly communicate and listen to their fans, something Nintendo seemingly doesn't know how to do. And say what you will about Microsoft, but their backwards compatibility move at E3 was incredibly smart and consumer friendly. Innovative? Definitely not. But it was a good response to fan demand nonetheless.

I also think part of the reason Sony and MS haven't done anything crazy is because the gaming audience demands the same experience over and over. Sony has openly stated in interviews that the reason they didn't give Morpheus more time at their conference was because the audience would've probably torn them apart if they had. It's also probably why Microsoft spent so little time on HoloLens, and why MS also dedicated an entirely separate conference to Oculus.

Gamers don't want to hear about that stuff. They want the standard issue controller, the game, and the screen. It's good in that it forces devs to be more innovative in the games themselves and not the hardware (something Nintendo has long struggled with), but bad because it makes it difficult to really push the industry forward. Oculus could turn out to be brilliant. But because most gamers (including myself) don't want any additives to the gaming experience and prefer not to pay extra for it, those concepts could also prove to be dead at launch.

And as per your statement about DLC and all that jazz, I agree. As with any concept, it can either be used to great effect, or can be abused in much the same way. Arkham Knight is one of the biggest DLC offenders I've ever seen and I refuse to buy that game because of that. But we as gamers certainly don't have to buy into those things if we don't want them - voting with our wallets is the most effective convincing we can do.

PS3 and 360 were great systems. I'm glad we both can agree on that one. I wish Nintendo were in that discussion for that last couple generations too. But sadly it looks like they've gone in a totally different direction.

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#25

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

"don't come to a site called NINTENDO life to whine when they do something you don't like."

This is a comment section where, surprisingly enough, people are allowed to make comments. Positive or negative. If you're interested in why I bother saying anything here, I addressed that in this comment thread (see #210).

As for your comment about Nintendo probably not doing a MS-sized overhaul, I agree with you. It probably won't happen.

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#26

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@TheLastLugia

In response to your previous comment (I seem to be one behind you):

Xbox 360 introduced online gaming and online purchases on consoles, which have now been adopted as industry standards. Xbox Live is still the most stable and reliable online infrastructure of the Big 3, and Nintendo is still fumbling its way around the concept. Xbox 360 arguably perfected ergonomic controller design (a design that Nintendo and Sony both would emulate in their PS4/Wii U controllers). Sony has innovated primarily in their games. Naughty Dog consistently pushes the industry forward in terms of graphical fidelity, narrative quality, and gameplay immersion, and both Sony and Microsoft create hardware that encourages third parties and indies to develop games for it.

Tell me, what has Nintendo done in the last decade that has been innovative? Don't give me the control stick and rumble pack, because those were over a decade ago. What have they done in the last decade that has been adopted as industry standard? Motion control gimmicks that have now all but disappeared from today's games? A tablet controller that not even Nintendo knows how to make games for? Don't poke holes in the other companies until you can honestly assess your own.

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#27

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@TheLastLugia

Your comment reeks of sarcasm, and you poke fun at Xbox's Japan sales, but you're blatantly ignoring that Nintendo is in last place worldwide. Ironically, Xbox didn't even need Japanese sales in order to sell better overall, which should truly communicate how irrelevant Nintendo has become. Meanwhile, Nintendo's console has been out a full year longer than its competitors, and still hasn't even reached Dreamcast numbers.

Again, make fun of Xbox One's crappy launch all you want. It's certainly deserved. But Nintendo had a poor launch too, and have done little to nothing to rectify it.

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#28

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@Ootfan98 Good question. Because, like you, I care about what happens to this company. Few companies hold as much sentimental value to me as Nintendo does - I grew up with them. And despite my frustration at where the company is heading, I still want to see them make a return to form. Of the Big 3, they're the ones I want to succeed most.

But when everything my favorite company has done for the last decade has been jaded, out of touch, confused, insensitive, and needlessly arrogant, it's hard for me not to be vocal about it. It's hard for me to continue to give them the benefit of the doubt and buy their hardware on nostalgia alone, while the true innovation and consumer friendliness is happening through Microsoft and Sony.

My ranting is not because I hate Nintendo. It's because I love them and wish they were the great company they used to be.

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#30

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yes, I can read. Which is why a) because this rumor comes from Unseen 64, which is a very reliable source, there's little reason to doubt its truth, and b) I agree with canceling a game altogether if it's not looking good, but it's the part about ditching the game in just North America that makes no sense. If the quality is so bad, and development is less than fruitful, why not just cancel it altogether? Why even release it in Europe and Japan? Are those regions more deserving and accepting of a turd of a game? Don't you think, if you're releasing the game in every other territory, you could at least try to make some of your money back by letting it come to all of them?

Maybe you're right though - Nintendo's reputation hasn't been faring very well here in the US (though again, I don't see how Europe thinks any better of them), so a s**t game from them would be another nail in their proverbial coffin. But still, I feel bad for the devs of any M-rated game Nintendo decides to publish (Bayonetta included). Nintendo will stand by it up until the very last second, then abandon it altogether.

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#31

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@IceClimbers To entirely dismiss Microsoft for an entire generation because of a crappy console reveal seems shortsighted. Did you not buy a PS3 last gen? Because that had a horrendous reveal too, but Sony clearly made up for it over time.

Phil Spencer has done an admirable job trying to turn the Xbox's fortunes around. There's more work that needs to be done, but out of MS, Sony, and Nintendo, I have the most faith in MS in terms of consumer-friendliness and a steady mix of games and exclusives this gen.

Sony meanwhile has sold over 20 million consoles almost on hype alone, which is impressive in its own right, but you're right. Smoke and mirrors is a fairly good way to describe the way it's been rolling so far. Most of their great exclusives are far away. But at least they've got solid third party support and the best indies of any of the consoles to fill in the gaps.

But to compare either of these companies to Nintendo is a joke. Nintendo has shown the most disregard for fan feedback, the least initiative to repair their image, the least drive to support their own hardware with games, the most hostility towards other people's work, and there's no indication of them getting better anytime soon.

Sure the Big 3 all have their problems, but if you're really as frustrated with every company as much as you are about Nintendo, maybe you're just leaning away from console gaming in general.

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#32

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@SuperMalleo Because he's a corporate stiff and has no idea how to communicate to a fanbase.

Say what you will about anyone at MS and Sony, but at least Shuhei Yoshida, Phil Spencer, and their other speakers on staff know how to communicate with their audience. Reggie talks as if he's far removed, out of touch with reality, and completely dismissive of other people's work (see his VR comment). It's blatantly indicative of what the company is like as a whole.

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#35

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

@gatorboi352 Agreed. It's like watching a train wreck.

I sold my Wii U for an Xbox One after the poor E3 conference. Not solely because of that conference, but because of a long string of stupid decisions and numerous instances of proving they don't give a s**t. The conference was just the last straw for me as a Nintendo fan. They're in last place and are in no position to act prideful and arrogant - yet that's the vibe I got from their entire E3 conference, and their subsequent PR flubs courtesy of Reggie.

At this point I don't really care what the NX launch lineup is. I'm not investing in another console from them until they show they actually care about supporting it.

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#36

FlaygletheBagel commented on Rumour: Nintendo Isn't Bringing Devil's Third ...:

This is hardly a surprise. Nintendo is notoriously bad at promoting mature rated games. Now it seems they've given up on publishing it altogether.

Nintendo sure knows how to make everyone, even their most devoted fans, mad at them. Reggie's asinine comments about VR, Nintendo's increasingly sketchy DLC/amiibo practices, their pitiful E3 showing, the Wii U's atrocious support, rumors of the NX being yet another gimmicky console, the whole YouTube Creators Program nonsense, this game's cancellation... taken alone, these things might not have been so bad. But when theyre all together like that in quick succession, it seems people (including myself) are finally seeing this company for who they really are.

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#37

FlaygletheBagel commented on Unseen64 Digs Up Development Insights Into Met...:

@lilith "Nintendo no longer has your kind of gamer in mind when they jump-start both new hardware and software initiatives."

Couldn't have said it better myself. The Wii was a "revolution" only in that it changed Nintendo's target audience completely, changed who Nintendo was pandering to with their content.

People single out Nintendo's hardware as being the issue with that company today, but i would argue that their design philosophy has polluted their software too, at least from the Wii era to now. The last truly incredible and innovative game to come out of their doors was, in my opinion, Super Mario Galaxy 1/2. The games they've made since then are either highly derivative and safe, or altogether unimaginative and out of touch. Most of their games are nice and polished. But there's no smart risk-taking or innovation anymore. The Wii U Zelda is the only game on the horizon that might remotely come close, but even that's uncertain at this point. It wouldnt surprise me if it borrows heavily from the already well-established Western RPG.

@Quorthon

The trend you're noticing in the Metroid series can arguably be applied to many of Nintendo's core franchises. Other than gradual aesthetic changes across hardware, what has Pokemon done to innovate the genre in the last decade? Nothing. Its Pokemon with a new coat of paint and some new monsters.

Apart from tacky and unresponsive motion controls that will almost certainly be dropped in future installments, what has Zelda done to innovate in the last decade? Even 3D Mario hasn't done anything drastically imaginative since Galaxy, and 2D Mario has been a shell of its former self since Super Mario World!

The more I follow this company these days, the more it depresses me. This company used to drive the whole industry forward. Now the real innovation and the real industry standards are being created by Sony and MS, and Nintendo is stuck playing it safe, making themselves more irrelevant by the day.

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#39

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: The Pros, Cons and Questionable...:

@Quorthon

"Nah. I still haven't picked it up. Or Witcher 3. And that comes first."

You won't be sorry. The Witcher 3 is one of my personal favorite games I have on any console I own. I've been playing for 180+ hours, but that's admittedly also because I started over halfway through to play on Death March difficulty instead (to get the trophies). Story is great, world and lore are expansive and immersive, and moment to moment gameplay is satisfying. The only qualm I have is that getting from point A to point B isn't much fun after you've been playing for over 100 hours.

Should you decide to do Death March, the start of the game is literally the hardest part. If you can make it past White Orchard and into Velen, and keep up with all your side quests, Death March starts to get manageable. Im level 24 and Death March hasn't kicked my ass since around level 7.

Anyway, I cant recommend the game enough. I got an Xbox One a couple weeks ago and still can't put down my PS4 because of Witcher 3.

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#40

FlaygletheBagel commented on Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Exposé Reveals Torrid St...:

Nintendo is a Kyoto company, so it's unsurprising that they can be exceedingly hostile to outsiders' ideas. That's also clear from how notoriously bad they are at working with third parties and the degree of control they want over their IP.

It's that pride and arrogance that will kill their home console business.

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#43

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Devel...:

@IceClimbers And that's the catch-22. Even if third party games DID appear on Nintendo's console, who would abandon their already-established PS4 or Xbox One to get their third party games on Nintendo? And who among Nintendo fans would actually look forward to a Grand Theft Auto or Batman Arkham Knight or Witcher 3 when historically they only gravitate towards first-party games?

The more I think about it, the more I realize how inevitable it is that the NX will fail. Third parties won't sell just like they always haven't. Which means, powerful hardware or not, Nintendo will literally have to support the console by itself.

This is why I'll never understand why people dread the idea of Nintendo going third-party. It obviously makes sense for them, it's less work for them to do, and it isn't of any detriment to us. All that's ever on Nintendo hardware are Nintendo games anyway. Why not make their best-in-class games available on hardware that people actually want to buy?

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#44

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Devel...:

@FragRed They're developing smartphone games for the casual market now, so now there's literally no reason for Nintendo to try to design their next console for casuals. Unless, of course, they want the NX to flop.

Their only hope for the NX not being a failure is to bring back the disgruntled hardcore gamers that they themselves have alienated. The only way that's going to happen is with a hell of a lot of honesty (a "we f***ed up" every now and then wouldn't hurt, no more of this "we already know you want such and such" or the "we're aware of your concerns" drivel), and most importantly, third party support. And I've already gone into detail about why that's a near-insurmountable hill for Nintendo to climb.

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#45

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Devel...:

@IceClimbers Maybe, but that's irrelevant to my main point. They can't just get by with one of those things. They have to do all of them reasonably well to get third parties back. And that's asking a lot, especially from a company like Nintendo, who has been either ignoring or making asinine comments about other people's development efforts lately (especially in regards to VR), failing to market mature games like their own Bayonetta 2 post-release, and making gimmicky hardware for generations.

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#46

FlaygletheBagel commented on Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Devel...:

Okay, serious question: Who the hell is the target audience for the NX? Who is going to want to buy this thing? Think about it: if you want power, you buy a PC. If you want third party, you buy an Xbox One or PS4. If you're a casual gamer, you buy an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy.

Besides the die hard Nintendo fans (whose numbers have been dwindling lower and lower since the Wii U's launch), who will buy the NX? This is a serious problem Nintendo has to face if they have any prayer of selling units. And if they don't make some serious changes in their console strategy, they're poised to sell even less NX's than Wii Us!

Literally the only way Nintendo can survive as a console manufacturer is if they get third parties on board to lure hardcore gamers back from MS and Sony. But that's a near-impossible task at this point, because that means Nintendo would have to do all of the following:

a) Release a console at least on-par power-wise with the Xbox/Playstation.
b) Release a console with no gimmicks.
c) Repair their horrendous relationships with third party developers.
d) Swallow their pride and promote the work of other studios besides their own, and
e) Learn how to promote M-rated games correctly.

If any one of these doesn't work out, then the chances of seeing good third-party support on NX are slim to none.

Personally I think it's almost too late for them. Sony spent 3+ years repairing their reputation after the negative Playstation 3 launch, and Microsoft is still suffering the effects of their horrendous launch. It takes time to repair relationships with developers and fans... time that, quite frankly, Nintendo doesn't have.

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#48

FlaygletheBagel commented on Reggie Fils-Aime Hints at Smaller New Nintendo...:

Ugh. I'm convinced a good portion of the 3DS's overall sales are from people buying the same console over and over again to get different designs. My brother has bought THREE of them. Nintendo knows they can get away with it too, hence the reason we're getting the most customizable model last.

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#49

FlaygletheBagel commented on Editorial: Cheer Up, There Are Some Exciting G...:

So let me get this straight:

Nintendo announced an Animal Crossing for Wii U, but it wasn't Animal Crossing.

They announced a new Metroid Prime, but it wasn't Metroid Prime.

They announced a new Paper Mario game, but it isn't really Paper Mario.

They announced a new Zelda game, but it isn't really Zelda.

And suddenly everything is fine with their lineup? Like @Quorthon said, it doesn't do any good to pretend this E3 was anything less than a catastrophe. We need to take this horrendous E3 and learn from it. In particular, we have to come to grips with the fact that this is how Nintendo handles a console with pitiful sales, and we should be cautious about being so quick to adopt a Nintendo console in the future.

I bought a Wii U about a month after launch back in 2012, and almost immediately regretted it after nearly a year of virtually nothing coming out for it. All this, coupled with this pathetic E3, has taught me to not adopt the NX at all until 2-3 years after launch, when Nintendo has proven to me they want to sustain it and care about making a steady stream of games available on their system. And if they can't prove to me those things, they don't get my money. Period.

They've got a tremendous hill to climb with the NX. I think it's more likely that it'll fail than succeed, especially after this alienating E3, and with Iwata saying to TIME that it'll "revolutionize the way people play games" (or something to that effect). The last thing this market needs is more gimmicky consoles. Personally, I'd actually be interested in seeing what happens to Nintendo if the NX fails. A third party Nintendo, at least in my opinion, would be a stronger Nintendo.

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#50

FlaygletheBagel commented on Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3 Digi...:

Alright, phew... Time for my official rant on this presentation. I apologize in advance for the wall of text and I hope despite my rambling that you might give this a read!


I've been a Nintendo fan ever since I played Super Mario 64 with my younger brothers growing up. I owned an N64, then an SNES, a Gamecube, a Wii, and today a Wii U. So needless to say, I've been around the block with this company and Nintendo has been my absolute favorite brand ever since I was a kid.

But this presentation is the lowest point at which I've ever seen this company.

I thought this presentation was even worse than the Wii Music debacle of 2008. Because at least then, even if they misread the audience that attends E3 and delivered an embarrassing presentation, they had the casual audience to sell that garbage presentation to. But right now their console has pitiful sales and they're in no place to act prideful and exploitative. Yet that's exactly what they looked like during that presentation. Literally every move they made was an arrogant and incorrect one.

Starfox looked average at best. I'm not a graphics-obsessive person, but after seeing a game as beautiful as Mario Kart 8 or Super Smash Bros. running on Wii U, there's literally no excuse for Starfox to look so ugly. The visuals and gameplay are not only nothing new, but to me they looked plastic, sterile, and fake. It was unusually soulless. Ironically I felt it perfectly set the stage for the rest of the presentation.

Then Nintendo made it abundantly clear they have virtually no plans for the Wii U in 2015 and 2016 beyond what we already know about. They practically revealed nothing. This doesn't really come as any surprise to me though - it makes sense that they're shifting their development teams to the next console, and that we won't see anything of consequence until next year's E3. But if that were the case, and they really had barely anything to show, why did they even show up at E3 and do a Digital Event at all? Simply by being at E3, Nintendo created the expectation of giving us something bigger and didn't deliver. It looks especially bad alongside conferences like MS's and Sony's, which revealed a significant number of amazing looking games.

But the worst, the worst part of this conference were the games they did show for Wii U and 3DS, and moreover, what those games communicated about Nintendo in general. Fans have been pleading for a new Metroid, a new Animal Crossing, a new 3D Mario, and so forth. So instead, Nintendo gave people (1) Animal Crossing X Mario Party, (2) a shoehorning of Mario into Skylanders, and (3) a Metroid Prime 4-player shooter that doesn't have anything to do with Metroid beside the name and the fact that it's in space. It came across as exploitative, arrogant, and ignorant, as if Nintendo felt they could slap the name of their "sacred IP" onto anything and it would sell like hotcakes. It's almost as if execs sat in a board room and said, "People want Animal Crossing on the Wii U. I know what they'd love! Let's make a Mario Party game and put 'Animal Crossing' in the title!"

Look, I get the reality of the situation. Nintendo wants all their dev resources on the next platform, and because of that, they have to provide games that serve little purpose besides existing as stopgaps. But from an outsider's perspective looking in, it communicates that while Nintendo may be listening to some feedback out there in terms of what franchises people want to see, they're too out of touch to see that they're not delivering anything people want. They communicated a complete disregard for their fans in this presentation.

Lest anyone think I'm jumping the gun on that claim, compare this to the way Microsoft handled their press conference:

  • Microsoft fans asked desperately for backward compatibility on Xbox One, and MS worked tirelessly against the odds to give it to them.
  • Nintendo fans pleaded for a new Metroid/Animal Crossing game and they got Metroid Prime: Not What You Want and Animal Crossing X Mario Party.

It almost seems antagonizing.

And did anyone notice when Reggie was talking to the Skylanders guy and, as if to show off the fact that he's cooperating with a third party studio, he sarcastically said, "So as you go through this collaboration with Nintendo, the company that is very protective of its franchises, that always likes to have total control, what was that like in terms of working with us to bring these fabulous experiences to life?" It was pretentious and it felt like NoA was only cooperating with Skylanders so that they could protect their own ego. They're not cooperating with Activision out of mutual partnership or business flourishing, but rather to patch their own ego and retaliate against criticisms. It looked incredibly insincere and selfish.

Whatever. I'm done with them. This nonsense, the artificial amiibo scarcity, the increasingly sketchy DLC practices, the abysmal Wii U support, the gimmicky consoles, the Youtube Creators Program, the arrogance, the ignorance, the pompous ego. I'm through with it. I went ahead and listed my Wii U for sale on eBay, and I think I'm going to put that money towards an Xbox One instead. And they're going to find it very hard to sell me an NX, or any console in the future.