@GiftedGimp

To extrapolate on my original comments:

1: I wasn't saying it was wrong, I was pointing out there is a Japanese/American divide at the moment, and shows perhaps dialogue between the two gaming nationalities is a little stunted at the mo. For me it's not a problem, as I'm a Nintendo/Konami/Capom/Sega/Platinum/Namco fan. I don't much for care for Microsoft/EA/Take-Two/etc... But then I'm a Brit. I wonder if this split will affect the Nextbox? (probably not Sony as Sony is a Japanese company that manages to impersonate an American one).

2: It seemed odd to me Nintendo was calling Luigi U as DLC, but now offer it as a disc. Frankly for me I wouldn't download it, but I am likely to buy it on a disk, and from a lot of comments on here I'm not the only one. To me this seems like Nintendo is researching it's fan base and seeing that DLC/e-shop is still not as popular with Ninty fans as it is with PSers/Xboxers. It's a sensible move.

3: That was a joke! But being in the UK I get a little kick out of getting things before the US. It's a new sensation to be honest!

Seeing that we play games on My, my Nephews, and my parents Wii U, buying one disk makes a lot of sense instead of the DLC.

Reading the comments above, it shows you A LOT of Nintendo fans still prefer retail games.

It actually told us some interesting facts:

1: Sega is making 2 Sonic games exclusive to Nintendo. Another Japanese company sitting on the Nintendo side of the fence.

2: Luigi will not just be DLC. This suggests Nintendo isn't as confident about it's e-shop/needs more games on the shelves.

3: Europe get Pikmin/101/Luigi before America. This tells us Nintendo loves Europe more than America....

What online play teaches us about skills in the real world is when you're up against insurmountable odds that cannot be overcome, you should switch off and run away.

It makes you wonder with this lot U-turning and Activision saying the PS4 and the Nextbox might have teething trouble, if the Next Gen isn't as rosy as first thought?

I've saved Hyrule 3 times, but 4 times I've got to the 2nd to last dungeon, got too busy with other stuff, and left Zelda and her people to suffer under the cruel domination of Ganondorf.

I keep seeing stories like this and as far as I can see is American game producers are less committed to Nintendo, Japanese Game Producers are less committed to the Xbox, Sony reaps the rewards of being almost neutral on the Japanese/American divide, and producers like Ubisoft and Warner who have development teams all over the world seem to cater to everyone. Is there a difference in priorities of the Japanese and US markets? Or am I reading too much into it?

Seeing how many 3 for 2 Skylanders giants figures are out there, I think it's easy to figure out where a big chunk of their profit went.

I wonder if WB have to pay a percentage of what they charged to Nintendo, or transaction fee per download? If it's the latter, It would be better to sell it in a bundle. Also, they can probably make more selling it all in a lump to the diehards than offering bits and bobs to people who just want parts of it.

It seems to make more business sense to sell a bundle on a company that is quite new to online connection, let alone DLC.

The real life goings on at UB Isoft sound far more exciting than their game storylines.

And the prologues are shorter.

I like the game a lot, but I sort of question is the DLC really that worth it? Lobo looks okay, but I'm not that fussed with Batgirl, Zod or Scorpion.

@Mario500

Fair enough, wasn't like I was going to watch it again to check my facts!

I read rumours that Nintendo are making a big promotional push with the Wii U in the 2nd half of the year, which has included delaying Pikmin, 101, and Wii Fit U to bolster the lineup of games during that period.

Hope Injustice and the last 30% of Lego can hold my interest until then....

@Red_Kinetic @HeatBombastic

All my point is That in the Avengers, most of the characters look quite like their counterparts, have similar back stories, and live in a similar world to the comics. Batman and Spiderman at least try to follow the key points of the original source as well, even if some things are changed to make them fit into a 90 minute movie.

In the Mario Brothers film, Luigi was a pretty boy teenager. Daisy was his tough sassy girlfriend who was an orphaned college student, who was from a race of parallel humans who evovled from reptiles, as was Dennis Hopper who had sticky up blonde hair. He de-evolves people into 7 foot reptile creatures called Koopa Troopers, including a guy named Toad. Eventually Dennis Hopper is turned into a giant Tyrannasaurus, and they all have a fight. If you turned the sound down on this film, there's a chance you wouldn't be able to figure out it was connected to the iconic video game at all- Only Bob Hoskins comes close to resembling the character he's playing.

Trust me, these days Hollywood gives the original source material more reverence.

I personally think the Super Mario Bros film was necessary- because it showed film makers that by only using names and the vaguest of connections to source material leaves the fans unhappy. These days films like the Avengers stick much closer to the original idea which keeps the fans a lot happier.

It wasn't really a bad bland Hollywood film, it just didn't really have that much in connection with the Game, probably due to the lack of CGI and reliance on real life actors. I would be curious to see what a Mario film produced these days would look like though....

Seems to me Nintendo has quite good relationship with a lot of Japanese developers (Capcom, Namco, Platinum, and it'll only be time for Konami to join that party) and Ubisoft, but the only US publishers that have supported it are Warner Games (old and new Arkham, 3 Lego games and Scribblenauts), and Activision (which built Skylanders on the Wii). Is it a Japanese/American divide that American developers can't get? And is it the reason Iwata is taking more interest in the US operation- Is he trying to sweeten relationships withTake 2, EA, and the rest?

So if he's saying it's short, does that also mean he's saying it's finished?

@MadAdam81

Yup. That's typecasting for ya.

How can you say how long a game will last? It takes me ages to complete anything as I'm quite rubbish at games and my fingers don't work after I destroyed them with the NES and SNES controllers.

Anyone would of thought Hamill was busy with something else, but what has he ever done apart from be the Joker?

Hard to convey sarcasm on the internet.

Updated both my and my Nephews consoles. Cool to have more time to play.

Downer less time for toilet breaks while things load....

Just bought the UK version from Smyth's in Thurrock (only copy they had, had to search for it out back).

Written on the back of it in he bottom right hand corner it says:

NINTENDO NETWORK

PAID SERVICES:

-ONLINE PLAY
KING OF THE HILL 8 PLAYERS (1V1 FIGHTS WITH LOBBY SYSTEM), ONE ON ONE FIGHTS-2 PLAYERS, SURVIVOR 8 PLAYERS (1V1 FIGHTS WITH LOBBY SYSTEM)

-DOWNLOADABLE GAME CONTENT

BROADBAND ACCESS REQUIRED FOR ONLINE FEATURES.

Seeing this wasn't apparently on the US version, I wonder if it mean the DLC is now possible for the Wii U?

At the end of the day all E3 is is an advertisement- and probably a costly advertisement. I don't know how much Nintendo have to pay to exhibit+ their costs to do so, but I'm imagining it's in the millions. There are 3 different paths for them to advertise:

1: Nintendo Direct. This is a relatively cheap way to advertise, but it's only ever really going to connect to the hardcore Nintendo fanbase. It's the sort of advertising you have to go looking for.

2: E3. This is more expensive, and will connect to the general videogaming community, plus a few news channels on tv/magazine/internet that report on it. The problem Nintendo have is they will be predominantly advertising to Nintendo Fans (who probably already know most of their reveals from Nintendo Direct), and Playstation/Xbox fans, that a large percentage of have already made up their minds they want nothing to do with the Wii U. E3 is a half way step looking for customers who are looking for video games across the board.

3: TV/Magazine advertising. This is a lot more expensive than the other 2, but will reach a more general public audience, AS WELL as the hardcore Nintendo and general Video Game Community. It reaches an audience that may not be looking for video games and don't know how desperately they want a Wii U.

To me it seems Nintendo is cutting it's costs trying to convert PS4/Nextbox devotees at E3, in favor of placing that budget into more broader reaching advertising. May be wrong, but will have to wait and see.

PS: Why don't Nintendo use Queen's 'We Will Rock You' in their advertising as 'Wii will Rock U'? It seems pretty obvious.

@cbkummer

It's retro, harking back to the NES brick controller. It's why a lot of Men of an age over 30 can no longer make a fist anymore. Those NES controllers deformed the sinews in our hands whilst we were growing up- none of these namby pamby contours for us!

Of course to be truly retro, the controller would need to be connected to the machine via a wire 3 foot long, which ensures you get retina burn from the TV just like in the 80's.

Looking beyond the actual story, this is an Olive Branch from Nintendo to get at least 1 retailer on it's side.

If you look at the problems Nintendo have had with low stock of Luigi Mansion, Monster Hunter, Need For Speed- plus the European delay of Injustice, it's obvious there has been problems for Nintendo stocking their product. Plus there was doubt if anyone would actually bother with any effort to actually stock a machine they wanted a price reduction on. This coupled with the 'multiplayer event' reported on earlier on Nintendo Life is a golden handshake with GAME to ease some tensions. Hopefully we'll also see some more promotion and stock holding of physical copies.

Will be curious to see how this story will impact on HMV/Toy's R Us/Smyths/The Supermarkets.

There is actually two games hat Nintendo could plug for Wii U Chat to fill the drought.

Noughts and Crosses and Hangman.

This won't be too bad if we get something else before it in May/early June (e.g: Wonderful 101).

If not, I may have to take up knitting.

How to improve FIFA?

Jumpers for goal posts, 18 a side, uneven pitches, and games lasting until the person who's ball it is is called in for tea....

...Or swisher graphics and an updated roster. Probably.

What Pachter says is pretty much spot on:

'The Wii U will sell less than the Wii'.
'The Wii U needs games.'
'Nintendo produces fantastic games but takes too long to release anything make any sort of decision.'
'A price cut won't help things (in fact it'll just make it seem like Nintendo are panicking).'

The problem is Pachter is pretty blunt and rude, only sees the world from an American perspective (he admits he 'doesn't get Japanese games companies), He doesn't seem to know about people who want an alternative to the mass online-flashy graphics over innovation-rush produced PS3/XBOX model, and is pretty alone as THE business analyst for the games sector (There is something thoroughly annoying about him waving a Skyrim box around as proof he knows about video games).

That and the fact for every 100 words he says about the Wii U, Nintendo says one.

Everyone is talking around it saying it's 'all very odd', but what were really all thinking is: 'Are UK/European distributors intentionally delaying the Wii U version as a kiss off to Nintendo for not reducing the price of the console?' The retailers seemed to know it was going to be delayed BEFORE Warner Bros announced it.

And we may all come to the conclusion that it may be a little far fetched, but it's still sitting there in the back of all of our minds....

I don't really care about knowing about new Wii U games yet, just when the ones already revealed are coming out. I've completed 42.3% of Lego City so far so I'm guessing I have about 10-14 days of content left before I need something new to fill my time. Maybe they'll be one of those release date lists including a few Wii U games (Pikmin/Game and Wario/101) after the 3DS direct.

Wishful thinking but you have to be optimistic.

So is Injustice out for the Wii U in the UK on the 19th or 26th? Most retailers are saying the 26th, although the official FB page is sticking with the 19th.

And if it is the 26th, why?

Count me in!

June 30th is the last day of Q2. I would imagine Wario will arrive before that date, and the retailers are just putting a date in to drum up pre-orders.

I do agree a Nintendo Direct would cheer us all up, even if it just pencilled in some dates for us. Maybe next Wednesday?

At the end of the day, the controller is what it is: It defines the console, just like the Wiimote did the Wii. I know some people have complained about how hard it is to play ports like Arkham with it, but I never experienced it on a 'normal' controller. I don't think you can say people would not want to play the console BECAUSE of the pad, but I bet there are a few that do because of it.

Saying that, I bet there are a few developers that are annoyed that they have to come up with something different and extra from the other 2 consoles.

Actually I do wonder one thing: if very few people are going to buy Rayman brand new, and only a small percentage of people will sell it on, how will there be enough 2nd hand copies for all the people determined not to give UB Isoft there money?

Just thinkin'.

Although the lack of games available/high number that have been delayed had wound me up quite a lot, I actually looked back on the first 4 months of owning a Wii U. In December, through most of January I found most of my play time was taken up by Arkham City (70 hours +). I also played a fair bit of Nintendoland and an odd game of Tekken Tag 2 with my Nephew, and as a change of pace played NSMBU. Mario continued to fill in the holes (30 hours) well into February when my main game was Darksiders 2, which lasted me almost to the end of March (50 hours or so). I tried Assassins Creed 3 but found it a bit dull- will try to get into it later after the superb Lego City which I expect to last me into May. Also picked up Sonic Racing today on the cheap as another change of pace. Plan to re-delve into Nintendoland and Tekken again as well.

4 months, 8 games- 2 a month. Completed 3 of them, will finish a 4th with Lego City. Barely played my 3ds at all, don't own another home console. The truth is I have grumbled about the lack of games but I wouldn't have had any time to play anything else if it was available. Apart from Assassins Creed I haven't been disappointed with any game. Could've bought Mass Effect 3, Monster Hunter and Need For Speed but decided against it, at least for the moment. Will buy Injustice in April.

It's true to say there hasn't been that much choice for the U recently, but I'm actually wondering if that is a bad thing? I actually feel a little silly moaning about the lack of games when those I have had kept me very entertained. Have I really missed Scribblenauts and Rayman? And will I appreciate Pikmin 3,Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 more when they have a little breathing space in my schedule?

I think I know the answers to those questions.

Sad to think the list can't get to 10 full retail games. I would add Injustice: Gods Among Us to the list and was a reason for buying a Wii U in the first place. But I would say I'm likely to purchase Pikmin, Zelda, 101, Bayonetta, possibly Yoshi and Duck Tales (if I can be bothered to use the e-shop).

Rayman would have been on the list but... well, a large percentage of us have the same thoughts on that game.

You would assume that seeing that now Monster Hunter, Need For Speed and Lego City are out, AND Monday is the start of Q2, Nintendo is likely to release another Nintendo direct with some release dates.

I think Nintendo know that the Wii U needs more games. But its not like they can just miraculously pull them out of... well you finish that sentence.

All whinging on about it does is stir the vultures in the media who rejoice in Nintendo's misery, and riles their fans even more.

THQ's creditors could sell it for a nominal fee plus a percentage of all game, media adaptations and merchandising profits in the future. low early risk for the buyer but higher profit in the future.

If you had to say 'what is the most memorable console', then it is the Wii.

Because the PS1 is ridiculously lot like the PS2, which is ridiculously a lot like the PS3, which is almost identical to Xboxes. I can't remember which system Wipeout or Destruction Derby or Crash Bandicoot was on, but I do remember Wii Sports, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Kart were on the Wii.

And the consoles older than kids over 10 discounts them from the list.

The best however is the SNES, as it was a revised improved version of the NES which was pretty damn good for starters.

You can add that you can't play a game you downloaded on your own console on a friends. With a disc you just pop it in the box and shove it in your bag.

When I was a kid, the fact that Nintendo and Sega were totally different beasts and had different games on each meant something- it gave the console an identity. These days there is very little variance between Microsoft and Sony's games lineup, the only differences being certain characters or levels or power-ups being available on one system and not the other. I personally think it's fun to have little gems that you can't find anywhere else. Not that the PS3 or Xbox 360 has that many 3rd party exclusives that anyone cares about!

Nintendo is at least trying to be different and because of this is taking more risks by funding games that have fallen through the cracks- both upcoming Platinum games are testament to this, as is the Lego City game. You could also argue that Microsoft and Sony couldn't of cared less about Rayman before the Nintendo reveal.

Also what makes me laugh is this idea that if Nintendo stops making consoles then the other 2 will get these games on their systems. The truth is with less competition the Xbox and PS3 would just get lazier and greedier. prices would go up, less innovation would come along, and long loved games that didn't hit a certain profit percentage would be scrapped. Plus you wouldn't get Mario and Zelda at the standard Nintendo expect for their own console, you would get a rushed uninspired product- like Sonic for SEGA has become.

Nintendo, for all their faults do tend to keep the quality of their own games for their own system (including the 3rd party ones he fund) quite high, even if that means they take A LONG time to come out. Franchises like Assassins Creed and Call of Duty come out with a new iteration every year, and that must hurt the quality control. You know when Zelda, Smash Bros, and Bayonetta 2 finally come out, they will have had a tremendous amount of effort put into them so they can be the best they can be.

If Capcom are going to remake instead of create new IP's, then I can only say Magical Quest featuring Mickey Mouse.

Of course the price of the Wii U is comparable.

Lets see if people think it's expensive at £329 when the XBOX/PS4 prices get announced. And the price their games are. If they are £500 and £69.99 for games the Wii U may get a 2nd look by some people.

You have to ask what happens when they sell out of Wii U's (if they do). I very much doubt they'll want to buy more stock in at the same price and sell more at a loss. And the price won't go back up.

What will happen is if Nintendo wish to keep shops stocked with Wii U's in the UK, they will have to reduce the price. Otherwise no matter of games will help sell a console you can't buy from the shops.

Been a while since they've churned Street Fighter 4- Street Fighter: Rehash 4U including Ryu in a Green Bandana.

It's all very well telling Nintendo to 'Fix It Now', but they can't magically produce Zelda/Smash Bros/Mario 3d from nothing. We all know that once Monster Hunter and Lego City are released which will hopefully help a bit, Nintendo will start to talk about dates for Pikmin 3, Game and Wario, Wii Fit U, and Wonderful 101.

Curious to see if we get TV spots for Lego City in the UK though.

I've never owned a PS3 or Xbox, so Darksiders, Arkham and ACIII were new to me and a lot of fun (Well, Darksiders and Arkham were, still sifting through the slightly dull prologue of ACIII), but the truth is all the ports were filler to mask the fact it was going to take 6 months to a year until big games originally designed for the Wii U would be ready. The Wii U is quite different beast to the PS3/Xbox (twins separated at birth?), and it will take publishers a while to come up with ideas of how to use it's strong points. I would imagine even Nintendo themselves are still coming up with ideas of how to exploit the controller.