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Reggie Fils-Aime Confirms Playable Cranky Kong and Release Date for Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Talks up positive Super Mario 3D World sales

Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime has made his appearance on the VGX Awards, and despite heavy prompts from Geoff Keighley didn't deliver a killer reveal that many would expect. What he did do, however, is confirm Cranky Kong as the fourth playable character in Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze — which was previously rumoured — and announce that the title will arrive in the Americas on 21st February 2014.

In terms of how Cranky Kong will play, he has a cane and can carry out a "Cane Bounce" move, making him the only character that can move across spiky pits and destroy certain enemies — it looks similar to what gamers will have been doing in DuckTales Remastered, a recent Wii U eShop / retail release. The footage looked enjoyable, and like the other characters the idea is that different areas will be traversable depending on the character accompanying Donkey Kong. It was also confirmed that control options will include the Wii Remote and Nunchuk, GamePad (of course) and the Wii U Pro Controller.

As mentioned above, Fils-Aime refused to be drawn into revealing anything else. He did speak optimistically about the Wii U's prospects, saying that Super Mario 3D World is selling "quite well in this market", following up that it's "not surprised us".

That was it for Fils-Aime's appearance, so what do you think?

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Blast

#3

Blast said:

THIS WAS NINTENDO DIRECT MATERIAL!!!! NOT VGX MATERIAL!!!! How does BAYONETTA 2 not get shown?!?!?! How does a tease for Metroid U or Legend of Zelda U not get shown?!?!? C'mon , Reggie!!! I know those guys was being mean to you but c'mon!!! You blew it!!!! HOW DOES MONOLITH'S X NOT GET SHOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

minotaurgamer

#4

minotaurgamer said:

I actually find more amusing the internet meltdown that is happening right now, even though they have said that they would show more about a game that was PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED....and of course the fans started crying.

Gamers are getting sillier every generation.

daveh30

#8

daveh30 said:

Can't believe they wasted this opportunity. This was not the stage for Donkey Kong. If they didn't have anything new to announce, Smash or Kart would have been a million times better to show off. I can't believe they flew him out there for Cranky Kong, and a release date. Pitiful.

SkywardCrowbar

#9

SkywardCrowbar said:

You know he didn't just have that Metroid pin on for no reason...

Donkey Kong looks amazing, I'm sure it will be amazing. I'm content. Nintendo is very careful and precise with their reveals people. Don't expect too much.

minotaurgamer

#13

minotaurgamer said:

@Blastoise-san Metroid U? never announced that and judging by Sakamoto's masterpiece don't expect it sometime soon if at all. And Zelda U and X are more E3 material than a niche game awards. Also, DKCTF will be released in a couple of months so it made more sense to show it now to create hype. Mario kart 8 comes later.

rtr0GMR1

#14

rtr0GMR1 said:

Free publicity and it is wasted on a game that only Nintendo fanboys care about...

Emblem

#15

Emblem said:

That was a wasted opportunity, just look at the games that are winning awards. This is a dudebro award ceremony, DK was not the game to show at such an event.

2Sang

#16

2Sang said:

Bayonetta 2 or x would have been more appropriate so then they wouldn't have looked "too childish" as well as poor quality.

rtr0GMR1

#17

rtr0GMR1 said:

He should have used that opportunity to reveal a game that would appeal to dudebros…or at least the casuals

DestinyMan

#18

DestinyMan said:

Even though I would've preferred he showed something else, I'm still really excited for Tropical Freeze and it's still going to be a fantastic game. I only hope that this doesn't hurt its image.

Cranky Kong should be fun to play and I'm happy with him as the 4th playable character. Also, great to read that there's good Super Mario 3D World sales in America!

Mint_Pepper

#19

Mint_Pepper said:

They ruined their chance. They should have announced something big for a big audience. Donkey Kong should have waited for a Nintendo Direct.

Wolfgabe

#20

Wolfgabe said:

Come people. Were you really expecting a new Zelda? I admit I saw this coming from about a mile away. As for a new game reveal VGX is not the sort of place for that kind of thing. And why do people think dudebros don't a love about DK? I find it more baffling how people are going apepoopsiedoodoocacaooledoople when it was clearly stated that it would be an update on a previously announced game.
Please watch the profanity — TBD

2Sang

#21

2Sang said:

It wasn't even really an announcement, just a confirmation of something we knew probably true.

Blast

#23

Blast said:

Just how does a game like Bayonetta 2 not get shown at VGX?! Like seriously?! I would have been more accepting of Reggie just showing Bayonetta 2!

Widowmaker

#24

Widowmaker said:

New playable Kong is a good news, but it wasn't kind of announce I wanted to see at VGX.

GamerGleek47

#26

GamerGleek47 said:

They seriously f-up. I may love Reggie, but he and everyone who let him do this type of annoucemment should get fire.
It was Nintendo final chance to show hardcore gamers that the Wii U is hardcore. And now, that chance is gone forever.

Iwata would've done better.

triforcepower73

#28

triforcepower73 said:

@minotaurgamer Ummm.... Zelda U was previously announced. X was previously announced. SSB was previously announced. Bayonetta 2 was previously announced. Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem was previously announced. ANY of those would've been 5 times the "announcement" that Cranky Kong was. And as @2Sang said, it wasn't even really an announcement, just a confirmation of something we knew days ago was 90% probable.

Captain_Toad

#29

Captain_Toad said:

Heh, not the announcent I was expecting (or anyone was expecting.) Then again anyone who is a fan of nintendo is supposed to know that to keep expectations in check with stuff like this But I would love to play this game especially with Cranky Kong. It's been too long since I've last played DKC.

GalacticMario28

#30

GalacticMario28 said:

I suspect Nintendo planned for this to be a nice surprise for DK fans, but that leaked box art a little while back kind of ruined that. I suspect they just couldn't prepare anything new in time for VGX. Personally, I'm satisfied knowing and seeing what Cranky brings to this game.

GamerGleek47

#32

GamerGleek47 said:

@Wolfgabe I personally wasn't expecting Zelda. But I was expecting something that shows that the Wii U is hardcore. Smash, X or Bayonetta. Those games could've show that.

3Daniel

#33

3Daniel said:

I wasn't expecting much but it was a missed opportunity for sure. Donkey Kong doesnt scream that awesomeness that is the gamepad which is whats lacking in Nintendo adverts as of now..

2Sang

#35

2Sang said:

Yeah @galacticmario28 it wouldn't have been too bad honestly, but they should plan for backup when spoilers come out.
Ps4 and xbone have already outsold the wii u in most countries, though. If they don't knock it out of the park in e3 2013, it'll officially be nintendo's worst console since virtual boy.

minotaurgamer

#36

minotaurgamer said:

@triforcepower73 Zelda U was mentioned. I give you the others but X makes more sense to the japanese market, SSBU already has lots of updates through Sakurai's posts and all those fits more for E3. And seriously....nobody, I repeat NOBODY but geeks and otakus care about Bayonetta and shin megami games and these venues are for games that can move hardware. And those game are not movers at all.

Gioku

#37

Gioku said:

At least they showed something, guys. It's not like they did nothing. And the Metroid Pin... that might be a hint... but holy crap, guys. Again, look on the bright side, guys - be happy with what you got, not what you didn't get~ ;)

NintendoCat14

#38

NintendoCat14 said:

This is something that belongs in a Nintendo Direct Mini. NOT A FREAKING VGX WHAT THE HELL? I am so mad. Zelda U? X? SOMETHING WE WANTED TO SEE? How about and the end of the game, Cranky unzips his costume and is Scrooge McDuck. Because thats the ONLY. REASONNNNNNNNN!!

Havkri

#39

Havkri said:

this was really disappointing... this was not something to announce at such an event. VGX's demographic are more of the "mature" gamer's and my guess are that only a few Nintendo fans/fanboy's are watching this show. showing of Donkey Kong TF, a game that mostly or even only Nintendo fans will look upon as good is really a dumb move. why not reveal Zelda U or Metroid U... Hell he even had a Metroid pin... for goodness sake Nintendo.

shigulicious

#40

shigulicious said:

That " announcement" didn't sell a single WiiU. Sure DK looks great. But man, wasted opportunity to push WiiU's for Christmas. Meh.

minotaurgamer

#41

minotaurgamer said:

@GamerGleek47 Why? the future of the console is not in the hardcore gamer. sorry but that's absurd. If any, hardcore gamers are poisonous and doesn't move console. The wii u was made for those gamer who asked for pikmin, bayonetta and shin megami...games that don't sell and nobody buys.

Nintendo should..no MOST stay far away from those gamers. They doesn't bring anything but bad news. They are not future at all.

Mk_II

#43

Mk_II said:

Work on Zelda U has only just started and the same would be true for a Metroid U. You guys expect the impossible

ricklongo

#44

ricklongo said:

Come on, Reggie, where's my Squitter? Or my Enguarde? Or my playable Squawks? ALL OF THE ABOVE?

ReshiramZekrom

#45

ReshiramZekrom said:

Seriously, we get to play as two different Donkey Kongs now, since Cranky Kong is believed to be the DK from the arcades. :)

Wolfgabe

#46

Wolfgabe said:

@GamerGleek47 As I have said before we were clearly warned that this would an update on a previously announced game. VGX is an awards show that isn't really the place for big reveals. For the record DKC you can consider more hardcore oriented because of its higher challenge

DESS-M-8

#47

DESS-M-8 said:

Everything I want to type would be censored.

Worst "reveal" ever, especially given that this game was already suppose to be out by now till it was delayed. The pin and smug face did hint Metroid. Problem is, this needed to be a Big Bang now, they just made sure there was nonvellmringing fanfare in the final push for Xmas. They needed to turn heads with something new. Utter utter failure. Listening to him talk about how I can bash an enemy with a walking stick as a main selling point was just ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, this game looks ace, will be brilliant and ill day one buy it. But this last hurrah opportunity in 2013 was just utterly wasted

Even the presenters almost seemed to laugh and tried to coax a bigger announcement out of Reggie instantly knowing what a damp squib his announcement was.

WanderingPB

#48

WanderingPB said:

Im still excited over DKCTF but im honestly disappointed that there was no other game reveal…this news could've been released at a Nintendo Direct but the VGX…?

Well if its anyones fault its my own for getting myself hyped up…

Caryslan

#49

Caryslan said:

Why not show off some more newcomers in Smash 4? I assumed the main reason why they have been holding back on showing them off is because they want to save the reveals for a big event. Nintendo, this was your chance on national TV in front of a primetime audience, and you waste it on DKC? I love DKC, but its not your biggest game next year! If you aren't going to show off anything new, then at least show off Mario Kart 8 or Smash 4!

A trailer with some newcomers would have built up hype for Smash 4, which in turn helps the Wii U. Imagine the hype on the Internet had they shown off more Smash 4 newcomers, especially if someone like Little Mac was shown off(if he's in)

Cranky Kong sounds fun, but DKC is a lower profile game. This would have been better spent on a Nintendo Direct. They should have shown off something big, even if it was for an existing game like Smash 4.

WaLzgiStaff

#50

WaLzgi said:

Just a friendly reminder to everyone that we do have rules enforced here. Please post with consideration for others.

Samurai_Goroh

#52

Samurai_Goroh said:

DK is great, but we were spoiled on the intel days ago, Reggie. They better be gearing up for a proper Nintendo Direct this month still. Wii U needs more future prospects.

YT-SutibunDatsW

#53

YT-SutibunDatsW said:

This is extremely disappointing. This couldve been said in a Nintendo Direct. Not only that, BUT MOST PEOPLE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THIS! I didnt think Nintendo was this stupid...but i have to say with all the other fanboys around this point. RIP. Nintendo (Consoles)
They will survive in handhelds, but their consoles are over...

DESS-M-8

#55

DESS-M-8 said:

Gutted tomb raider definitive isn't coming to Wii U. Would rather they ported that than deus ex. Injntentionally didn't buy it on ps3 at the start of the year hoping it'd eventually get ported to Wii u. When saw the trailer running for a redux version of it, my face lit up and I thought "YES!!!!"
Then 10'sexonds of talking after the VT made me think "for **** sake"

Nomad

#56

Nomad said:

This is pretty much what I was expecting so I'm not really disappointed. Tropical Freeze looks great and a lot more fun then most of the dross out there. Reggie's Metroid pin is quite interesting though. What could it mean? Is he hinting we will see a new Metroid soon?

2Sang

#57

2Sang said:

@YT-SutibunDatsW a PERFECT summation of Nintendo's current situation, although I doubt wii u will be the last home console, I think they'll have one more after this. Then it will be handhelds only or a combined handheld/home console.

Fazermint

#58

Fazermint said:

WII U IS DOOMED BCUZ I DIDN'T LIKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I HAD UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS FOR
You guys are awesome.

NbaJunkie

#61

NbaJunkie said:

That guy Reggie knows what they want him to know, basically nothing. I liked when they pressed him for more info. .he was uncomfortable... I love dk,but I'll never understand everyone's fascination with Reggie...

WaLzgiStaff

#62

WaLzgi said:

I wasn't expecting anything big. They're going to continue announcements later next year anyway. Why ask for Bayonetta trailer anyway? It would have been on the same caliber as Donkey Kong (game we already knew about)

triforcepower73

#63

triforcepower73 said:

@MK_II Work on Zelda U was started about 2 yrs ago. Eiji Aonuma said he was about to show it on two different occasions and that right after Comic Con he would begin work on a reveal for the game. Also he stated a long time ago that he wants to shorten the development time for Zelda games to around 3 yrs. They've been developing Zelda U for 2 yrs, so that just leaves 1 more, if their goal is to be met. I honestly don't expect that to happen but they have a reveal ready. I'm certain of that.

Yodelman64

#64

Yodelman64 said:

They did mess up with the presentation. But people should not have gotten their expectations up so high. This was the time to announce a new game, and not reveal info about a game already coming out. But people should not have gotten their expectations up because they said they would release information about an already existing game, not show a brand new game. SO people should not have gotten their expectaions ups so high

EdJericho

#65

EdJericho said:

There's also the bit where Reggie accidentally says "of course" when asked if we'd see anymore Metroid in the future then quickly backpedals his statement saying "whose to say if we'd ever see anymore in the future".

WebHead

#66

WebHead said:

Despite it being Dk related, he did seem to imply that a Metroid game is in the works.

Nomad

#67

Nomad said:

And just as the show wraps up, Reggie surprises everyone with a Metroid reveal. What? A man can dream can't he?

goonow

#69

goonow said:

We get that kind of news everyday! What a diisapointment. Stupid geoff knightly was just trying to boost ratings when he knew there was nothing to get excited about. Thats tv for you.

jjmesa16

#70

jjmesa16 said:

Not a huge fan of DK so I'm kind of disappointed. Would have rather seen some new footage of Mario Kart since that is one of the more popular franchises. Smash Bros. would have been great too but I wasn't expecting to see much of anything on that front.

2Sang

#71

2Sang said:

@DarkwingLz But it would have been more fitting. This was aimed at "gamers" "mature players" and those who are looking for a single player or online multiplayer.
Nintendo is dominating in party like games, but they need something like a bioshock or heavy rain or something serious and less cute.

Jazzer94

#73

Jazzer94 said:

Disappointing that the reveal was for something so small but I never expected much else.

Emblem

#74

Emblem said:

@DESS-M-8 Its on steam right now for 5 bucks. It a decent game but I'm not sure why they are porting it to ps4 and x1 owners since they are likely the ones who already brought the first iteration. Wii U would have made more sense.

Daggo

#75

Daggo said:

Totally called it! xD

But they could have take advantage of the show to showcase even the same amazing trailer from Monolith Soft's "X", that would have been for the better as the audience was beyond Ninty's fans. But Nintendo's gonna Nintendo xD

ScorpionMG

#77

ScorpionMG said:

OMG THE WII U IS DOOMED!!!! THE VIDEO SUCKED D:
/sarcasm.

Why is everyone crying? Didn't you get used to nintendo until now? If you want something new, then wait for the nintendo direct on Jan/Fab of 2014

yojo

#78

yojo said:

@minotaurgamer I am personally not sad because it's not the new Zelda, but because they chose the wrong time to show this info. This is something better left for a Nintendo direct, and to boot, it doesn't even appeal to this crowd. A better choice would have been X or Smash or Kart, something that will appeal to the "Modern Gamer" more.

Spoony_Tech

#79

Spoony_Tech said:

Wow!! How does Nintendo keep dropping the ball on these announcements?? I mean I like Tropical Freeze and all And want it really bad but show anything else please. Even Mario Kart would've been better!

GunstarHero234

#80

GunstarHero234 said:

............???? all I have to say is Profound Sadness......-_- That's the "Surprise" reveal Reggie Cranky Kong.......which might as well say he was ALREADY REVEALED weeks ago and now we have to worry about now is the meltdown of Damage Control Nintendo Fans sigh..........

NavySpheal

#81

NavySpheal said:

@Gioku Feels good to find a sane person on this comment thread, it hurts to read this. The VGX show is crap already, why would Nintendo reveal important information somewhere other than a Nintendo Direct? He said a previously announced game, yet you people are still wondering why no Metroid U, Starfox, or F-Zero (although that Metroid pin sure is intriguing...). While I agree that another title like Smash or something would've been better, you people need to calm down. Think about it like this: possibly Nintendo only revealed this little shred of information now to make sure the next, soon Nintendo Direct is a memorable one.

Wolfgabe

#82

Wolfgabe said:

@NavySpheal There is me too. Its peoples own bloody fault. They were dumb enough to think that something as big as Zelda would be revealed at what it a crap awards show in the first place. The other thing is why show off a game that is not likely to be seen for the next several months it makes no sense at all.

Purple

#83

Purple said:

@CountWavula Well yes! if you don't know where the buttons are... you can look down at the controller and still see the game via the controller screen.
that way you can see what buttons you're pressing and play while never looking up if you don't want to.
it's like having a 2DS for your home console. but the battery only last about 3hrs.

Jayvir

#84

Jayvir said:

That was almost embarrassing. I actually think it would have been better to not have shown anything. I don't think ANYONE wanted or cared to see more DK. That served absolutely no purpose

CureDolly

#86

CureDolly said:

I thought it was odd how they announce the indie game winner and tried to get some applause and gave up because obviously no one was interested. Funny audience!

Mr. Reggie's announcement was quite tame but I don't see it as a Huge Opportunity Lost. They probably thought it wasn't the right audience for a really important reveal. And who knows - they might be right there.

Dark-Luigi

#87

Dark-Luigi said:

Yep, this is exactly why I need to stop getting my hopes up for things... :/
Ah well, can't wait to play as crankey and I'm glad that 3D World is selling great!

Peach64

#88

Peach64 said:

@NavySpheal Only hardcore Nintendo fans are watching Nintendo Directs. The DK footage shown tonight looked great, but the issue is that won't have got anyone talking about Wii U that wasn't already talking about it before. Here they had an opportunity, with a lot more people watching what they had to say than they ever do with Nintendo directs, and they didn't make much use of it.

I'm sure the next Nintendo Direct will have great announcements, but nobody is going to be watching it other than the 4 million hardcore Nintendo fans that already bought a Wii U.

SilverArrow

#90

SilverArrow said:

I just like how people are saying "Nintendo should've shown this and that" and don't give any though to how much time it would take to produce something to be shown.

Mytoemytoe

#91

Mytoemytoe said:

Tropical Freeze looks awesome but I agree that Nintendo dropped the ball here. They needed to show a bunch of Smash Bros. footage.

Mytoemytoe

#92

Mytoemytoe said:

Tropical Freeze looks awesome but I agree that Nintendo dropped the ball here. They needed to show a bunch of Smash Bros. footage.

JoShCoNker

#94

JoShCoNker said:

I was discussing this topic in my home with a friends because we were waiting for something more in my humble opinion i think that :
1. DKC:TF is the best example of a new "hardcore" game for our Wii U systems and even when I'm very dissapointed for not getting something "more", (F-Zero or Starfox) We were very happy to see our old Cranky buddy back in a new game.
2. The game looks pretty amazing and I hope it comes with so many things to make it a 10/10 that's very good for us the gamers because we are receiving a new "hardcore" game plus Bayonneta 2 and others
3. When I'm using the word "hardcore" Am not meaning a CoD style or stupid new IP that thinks that are hardcore, I mean a brand new game with Tons of stuff to unlock and shared (SM3DW is the perfect example)
... With that said am very dissapointed of not getting something "more" but this new DKC:TF it's going to be awesome and it will have a very nice variety of levels, designs and gameplay that made the last DKC:R a complete classic.

vamkar

#96

vamkar said:

I don't understand, they said a previously shown game. Why did anyone seriously think it was Zelda U?
People overhype things like this. Have people forgotten Nintendo confirming its appearance at E3 2014?

AVahne

#98

AVahne said:

Not disappointed, since I expected Reggie to come on stage and completely waste his and everyone elses's time.

SkywardCrowbar

#99

SkywardCrowbar said:

Wow. This thread is kinda ridiculous...

Zelda U hasn't been announced yet. "Announced" means there being a trailer and an official "Hey! This is a game that is coming out in the future!"

SphericalCrusher

#100

SphericalCrusher said:

I am very excited for this! I was laughing and cheering during the presentation of this. Always awesome to see Reggie!

vamkar

#101

vamkar said:

Gameinformer said a few days ago that they were showing a previously announced game. It's your own fault for fabricating your own fantasy.

DestinyMan

#102

DestinyMan said:

Hey, at least Super Mario 3D World is selling well in America! That's something that really benefits Nintendo, not what they do for a silly, dirty awards show.

FX29

#104

FX29 said:

People need to chill. They never said that they were announcing a new game, they stated that they would show more gameplay from a previously announced game. Zelda Wii U was NEVER announced to the public, they only stated that they are making it but they never showed actual footage. People over-hype everything.

Technosphile

#105

Technosphile said:

What is it that people like about Reggie? He is quite obviously a "yes" man who follows his marching orders from Kyoto to the letter.

Nintendo would have done better to have not even showed up at this event. That was awkward and embarrassing.

NavySpheal

#106

NavySpheal said:

@Peach64 Now, that is true. Nintendo needs publicity, and the VGX, although not that great, is a better way of getting news out than a Nintendo Direct. I can only hope that Nintendo has a live E3 next year, or another chance to redeem themselves. I still think the over-reacting of Nintendo fans is overwhelming, to me at least. And I'm sure Reggie wanted to reveal a new game, but even as president, he doesn't get to call as many shots as Nintendo Japan does. Maybe this isn't the case, but I'm sure it may have been their decision to keep today's news light.

vamkar

#107

vamkar said:

You know what Nintendo? I'm actually gonna give you guys a pass. This VGX show is so damn awful, I honestly can't fault you for bringing Donkey Kong. Why go all out for such a pathetic travesty of a program? This might be the worst video game centric event of all time. I honestly give everyone a pass. Nintendo, there's no way I'll personally hold this against you.

2Sang

#109

2Sang said:

@Technosphile If you and some of the newer/younger nintendo fans don't know. He was a bad*** when he first came to e3. You should look for the clips on youtube. His comments about being a purple pikmin, his 3ds announcement trailer, etc. in what I call the golden reggie era of 2004-2012 made him the coolest man in gaming.

Now he doesn't have much interesting to say these days, with the exception of a link between worlds in a nintendo direct a while back.

boynerdrambling

#112

boynerdrambling said:

seriously. what were you all expecting? DK is the next main game to hit the console, their gonna push that as much as they can now, no matter how much you greedy "hardcore fanz" want something new. You should all know by now Nintendo will announce new things when their good and damn well ready. You all brought this disappointment on yourself. Me, i cant wait to get my hands on DK and can not wait for feb to roll around

Mr_Video

#113

Mr_Video said:

Yeah, I don't understand all the negativity. Was it a knock your socks off reveal? Far from it. But seriously, I don't see this as bad. They're marketing for a game that's coming out sooner than say...A new Metroid or Zelda. Which in my opinion, isn't a bad thing at all.
It's not like they ever said, "Yep. We're gonna reveal Zelda U." Never assume things, friends.
That aside, I'm really looking forward to Tropical Freeze!

Monkeh

#114

Monkeh said:

@minotaurgamer Smash Bros. has been previously announced and obviously footage from that game had created a lot more buzz. Overall, I get why people would be disappointed with what was shown (especially since it's about a game that's coming the soonest and information that had already leaked onto internet), but really we should be glad we got anything at all from Nintendo at the VGX.

EDIT: Also, you just got to love Reggie. For some reason, he always just seems so legit to me.

boynerdrambling

#115

boynerdrambling said:

@GunstarHero234 oh please. I'm not gonna get mad over something as pessimistic and trivial as a game announcement for a hobby i'm lucky to indulge in once a week. I suggest you find something else to do with your life instead of sitting on a internet site calling people out for being a "hard core nintendo fanboy" because they didn't get so worked up and disappointed over the announcement as you clearly are

LuckyTJ

#117

LuckyTJ said:

this announcement was ok but not overwhelming. Wii u better have more good games in 2014, if not, the wii u's future could be in peril.

sevex

#118

sevex said:

Seeing the Bramble Blast inspired level raised my anticipation for Tropical Freeze quite a bit. I wonder how the music will compare.

I wanna know why Reggie was wearing a Samus pin though!!!

JaxonH

#119

JaxonH said:

This is why Nintendo can never hype any of their games. Because when they do, EVEN WHEN THEY SPECIFICALLY STATE the reveal is for a pre-announced game, people expect the world then get disappointed when it's not news of the year material.

Personally, I think DKC Tropical Freeze will easily be the best game released of 2014, on any console, and can still recall the jitters I got when the game was first announced back at E3. Returns was SUCH a great game. This will be even better.

Sean_Aaron

#122

Sean_Aaron said:

Why all the angst? What is VGX and why should I care? Donkey Kong could be fun - more so if the arcade originals are in there as bonus content!

JaxonH

#123

JaxonH said:

@LuckyTJ Wii U will have the same, steady stream of games next year as always. Nintendo has been consistently releasing games on their consoles for 30 years. 2014 will be no different, and you must have a short memory (or be rather young) if you think next year will be any different than any other year for Nintendo. If there's one constant in this world, it's the fact that Nintendo will release multiple must-have games on their consoles every year.

Another constant in this world is that Nintendo isn't going anywhere, because their games are too good. And they never stop making good games. Pick a year, any year, and look up on a wiki all the games Nintendo releases. Guarantee you you'll find a handful of great games no matter which year you pick. 2014 is just another day for Nintendo. And of course there will be more games than just DKC. We already know of several, although I will say I personally don't think any game can measure up to DKC, save perhaps Mario 3D World.

miletich3

#126

miletich3 said:

Nobody knows for sure if Nintendo's dead! I don't expect DKCTF to be too cool, meaning getting rave reviews or sales. But I thought the gaming community would be devoid of irrationality!

JaxonH

#127

JaxonH said:

So many people who act like Donkey Kong Country isn't a great game. Either gamers are losing their good taste, or they just don't know how good the series is.

@miletich3
My Wii U is alive and well, as is my 3DS, and considering I've seen not one but TWO 10/10 game of the GENERATION material games released on the same day (Mario 3D World and Zelda Link Between Worlds), I think it's fair to say Nintendo is alive and well. Some developers can't make even one game that good their entire lives. Nintendo releases TWO, on the same day lol...

WingedSnagret

#128

WingedSnagret said:

I feared this would happen.

Like many people here I'm looking forward to DK, but Nintendo (once again) screwed up here. This was not the game to show at this particular event.

Plus, thanks to leaks the news about Cranky Kong was already known! Sure it was a rumor at the time, but still the fact that Nintendo made so much hype over an announcement that wasn't that big to begin with is just mind boggling.

sonicfan1373

#130

sonicfan1373 said:

This VGX announcement is just going to bring bad press. They showed off the wrong game to this audience. I like the Donkey Kong: Country series but this is not an event where you show this game. This shows Nintendo's marketing team still has no clue what on earth is going on.

I am not a fan of VGX (I do not know why Nintendo decided to even show-up considering they are putting so much emphasis on doing their own thing) but if you plan on attending you have to show something that people watching the show will resonate with (especially if this particular audience has turned hostile against your recent product by months of endless bad press).

Remisio

#131

Remisio said:

We'll I don't particularly mind. I'm looking forward much more to the December Nintendo Direct that is sure to happen. I didn't care much about VGX it was a Sony and Microsoft centred show anyways.

JaxonH

#132

JaxonH said:

@WingedSnagret I've heard that from several members now, and I suppose I can see where you're coming from. But here's some perspective to consider: who cares if Nintendo showed the wrong game to the audience? That doesn't impact us as gamers one bit. So Nintendo missed an opportunity. Oh well. Sucks to be them. Doesn't change my library or the fun I'm having playing their games.

The minute they said "Previously announced title" the hype should have stopped right then and there. Anyone who continued to allow themselves to believe otherwise did so at their own peril.

sonicfan1373

#135

sonicfan1373 said:

@Peach64

I agree with you; I think Nintendo should have really shown Smash Bros. or X to this audience. They both seem ready enough to show at least in some format ( plus I do not think Zelda or Metroid are at a stage to show off yet).

Though, I have a feeling Nintendo of Japan does not let their subsidiaries show anything without their express and hard to earn approval; which is why Reggie could only show Donkey Kong (which is developed by Retro in the US). I recall once Reggie saying that he could only show what Mr. Miyamoto let him show, and we all know how much of strict perfectionist he is.

Pokefanmum82

#138

Pokefanmum82 said:

Nintendo knows how to hype up their games. Just look at Pokemon X & Y, Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds and Super Mario 3D World. It's just the VGX, not E3. People need to calm down. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is the next big Nintendo game so of course they are going to be talking about that.

BlatantlyHeroic

#139

BlatantlyHeroic said:

Idiots. They should have shown something that would actually captivate the mature audience they had. I'm pretty sure most of the people in there don't want to play a game like that. They prefer more gritty things. Nintendo is terrible at marketing and knowing exactly which group is where.

shigulicious

#140

shigulicious said:

Well, DKC: Returns for the Wii did sell 6 million copies. That's a big seller. All other games aside, lets hope Tropical Freeze also sells well!

DestinyMan

#141

DestinyMan said:

I'm giving Nintendo a pass. This show sounded like complete rubbish. Not even all the awards were announced? Good grief! No wonder Nintendo doesn't want to announce a big game at such a thing.

We all had our hopes, but I honestly feel embarrassed about having even a little bit of hope for this silly show. Donkey Kong is the next big Nintendo game coming up for Wii U, so it is natural that Nintendo would make to market and spread awareness of it. And Super Smash Bros., which was I was (foolishly) hoping for, was a no-go because this was going to be about an upcoming Wii U game. Super Smash Bros. will be for Wii U and 3DS. And while Zelda U would've been awesome, I had never seriously banked on it. That game didn't deserve to be affiliated with a trashy show like VGX. Nintendo will announce that in a more proper setting, such as Nintendo Direct or E3.

Hopefully this doesn't hurt Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze's image and people will calm down. Tropical Freeze is still going to be a fantastic game.

UnseatingKDawg

#142

UnseatingKDawg said:

Cranky Kong will be playable after all? YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

skapunx

#143

skapunx said:

super disappointing was hoping for either smash or project x( since both are previously announced) i feel like that was a waste of time, but a lot of metroid hints so im hopeful :D.... also the only interesting thing shown was thief imo

SLiM

#144

SLiM said:

I had a feeling that Cranky was going to come with that cane bounce move from DuckTales! Not only am I looking forward to hearing the soundtrack from the game, but having multiple characters that create unique game play will be a blast!

Tryken

#145

Tryken said:

Showing this off was like a giant prank or a joke. What is NoA thinking? They went to a hardcore gamer award show (aka their biggest critics) and show what? A new playable character in a game that was already considered a massive disappointment on its original announcement. Donkey Kong has literally fooled everyone twice who was expecting Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid, etc.

brandonbwii

#146

brandonbwii said:

@minotaurgamer
Oh yes, this. I saw it coming a mile away. I tried to warn you guys to check your expectations. For one thing this isn't Nintendo Direct. That's when you hear the juicy stuff. Nothing new would be announced on one of those more obscure, "serious" titles yet. So x, fexsh, bayonetta 2 were practically out of the question anyway.

IceClimbers

#148

IceClimbers said:

Everybody is overreacting. I'd like to point out that the competitors didn't announce any new major games either. All we got was gameplay and updates of games we already knew about, along with some minor games that most won't pay attention to. Showing off Cranky in Donkey Kong was actually a smart move. It's the Wii U's next major game, so they are gonna push it. Zelda U isn't ready to be shown. Chances are, Metroid, Starfox, F-Zero, etc aren't even in development for Wii U right now. Believe it or not, but DK appeals to the VGX audience more so than X or Mario Kart. Kart will be seen as a casual game, and X is a JRPG game that is too niche and Japanese for the VGX audience. Bayonetta 2 might have got the internet into an outrage after its reveal, but most probably don't care about it now, and it isn't going to sell well. As for Smash, I'm just going to say that there WON'T be any more newcomers. Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer are the only newcomers, I'm calling it right now. The rest of the roster is made up of veterans from Brawl.

skapunx

#149

skapunx said:

@iceClimbers zelda u is ready to be shown and could have been at both e3 and comicon they decided against it, i was not expecting a new game but i was expecting something a little better than DK:tropical freeze which we already know quite a bit about, would have been a good time for smash

DatFunkySmell

#150

DatFunkySmell said:

This month's Nintendo Direct had better be incredible after that wasted opportunity Reggie put on tonight. I'm talking Wii U news extravaganza. Bayonetta 2, X, Kart, Smash, DQX, Yarn Yoshi and whatever else they're working on at Nintendo.

IceClimbers

#153

IceClimbers said:

@skapunx Why show Zelda U at a crappy, insignificant awards show when they can reveal it during a Nintendo Direct, or better yet, E3? As for Smash, what can they show off? A returning veteran character? Again, I doubt there are any more newcomers besides the 3 revealed at E3.

As for everyone else, I love how everybody is saying they want a giant Nintendo Direct where they show off Bayonetta 2, X, Mario Kart, Smash, Yarn Yoshi, and SMT x FE, yet I can GUARANTEE that those same people will then complain that the Direct was disappointing because they only showed stuff we knew about. Any Wii U games we do not know about and Zelda U will be shown off at E3.

XCWarrior

#154

XCWarrior said:

Wow so many comments for something that was more or less leaked days ago.

Not being a big fan of the DK series, I would have rather have seen the Steel Diver MMO showed off. Oh boy on Cranky Kong.

DatFunkySmell

#155

DatFunkySmell said:

@iceClimbers
I disagree about X being too niche. You are correct that typically the JRPG doesn't mix well with the crowd at the VGX as evidence by literally no Japanese games being there at all, but I'm certain that if they market it smartly they can grab some sci-fi fans who like games with mechs and space monsters.

DatFunkySmell

#156

DatFunkySmell said:

@iceClimbers

If all of those games come out next year, they won't need to show anything else. The reason why a lot others and myself want this is so that Nintendo can actually change how their console is percieved by the general public and that these games are the most exciting things about the console for a lot of us and we genuinely want to know more for ourselves.

FluttershyGuy

#157

FluttershyGuy said:

I'm just repeating what many have already said, but how do you NOT make a bigger announcement than a playable character? Epecially in front of an audience of gamers! All due respect to Cranky, but I don't think this announcement was exactly a system seller. New Metroid, Zelda Wii U title announcement, Smash footage... I can think of several things that would cause more Wii U buzz. It's all about missed opportunities, like the full YEAR'S head start Nintendo had on the "twins."

I love Nintendo. Big N has been a big part of my life for over 26 years. That said, my God they make some stupid decisions. I really question how much planning goes into what they do.

The original DK is legendary, but I doubt announcing him for DKC: TF had much impact on the hardcores and brodudes. Especially when these are gamers who would follow gaming news, and the Cranky rumor came up just recently, so they ALREADY FRIGGIN SUSPECTED IT! :/

Technosphile

#158

Technosphile said:

@Drobotic Wrong, we've actually hated Donkey Kong since it was announced at E3; where Nintendo was supposed to throw some knockout punches and instead danced around the ring, then refused to come out for the next round.

Diddy_kong

#160

Diddy_kong said:

I'm obviously still going to love this game, but I was really hoping for Kiddy Kong here. Something about having the original 4 playable Kongs from the SNES trilogy really would have been cool I thought. Oh well. At least Dixie finally makes her return.

Caryslan

#161

Caryslan said:

@IceClimbers You doubt there are any more newcomers besides the three that have already been shown for a game that has been in development for over a year and has a 2014 release date? There are likely more newcomers in the roster that have already been finished. The only reason why they are not being shown off is because Nintendo wants to save them for a major event or they simply want to show off the returning characters first. As we get closer to Smash 4's release, expect more newcomers to be shown off. The game has been in development long enough, so the newcomers have likely been decided.

It's obvious Smash 4 is not going to ship with just three newcomers to the roster, so the other newcomers are going to appear at some point. Especially since you still have some notable Nintendo characters like Little Mac, Dixie Kong, and even Pac-Man(thanks to Namco's involvment) are the top rumored newcomers. Nintendo likely does not want to waste the hype they could generate on a random post on the offical Smash Site.

They will show up soon, it just a matter of when.

DerpSandwich

#164

DerpSandwich said:

It's official. Nintendo is completely, entirely, pants-on-head stupid. Good going, Big N. You're the laughing stock of the entire gaming industry.

MEGAMAN_D

#165

MEGAMAN_D said:

I personally feel that nintendo just gave its fans the middle finger.

Nintendo will become so uncool that the only people playing their systems will be 7 year olds, they are so out of touch with the gaming industry its not even funny anymore.

The Wii U is a fantastic console, and this was their chance to get some attention.

epic fail

element187

#166

element187 said:

@Wolfgabe Nintendo fans intentionally over hype themselves and are ALWAYS disappointed and let down after,... Every time they do this to themselves.... It's quite pathetic watch. We all knew he wasn't going to mention Zelda, Starfox, Fzero or Metroid.

Why build up such pointless expectations and just accept Nintendo for who they are and not what you dream of.... In fact that should apply to all areas of your life, not just video games.

Nintendo rep: we will share something new of a previously announced game
Nintendo fans: alright, a new announcement,that means it has to be Zelda U
Nintendo rep: no, we said a previously announced game, Zelda U has been officially announced yet, we only confirmed it was in developerment
Nintendo fans: YES!!! We are getting Zelda U news, Metroid news, Starfox U and Fzero U!!
Nintendo rep: no we are ,... Sigh I give up.

Nintendo announcement: Check out a trailer for Yarn Yoshi!
Nintendo fans: Why didn't you give us Zelda U news? Nintendo is the worst company in the world

With fans like that, why even bother.

Jawknee

#167

Jawknee said:

What the hell is with all the whining? Seriously....grow up kids. It's just a game company. So what if they didn't have a major announcement? They will come in due time. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats.

Mr_G

#169

Mr_G said:

Reggie Fils-Aim and Nintendo said that online petitions do not phase them in their decisions. Yet Reggie says we must sign the online petition for him to appear in Super smash bros and they will do it for 100 thousands signatures!
Hmmmmm seems like you really are phased by public opinion Ninty!?

Wolfgabe

#170

Wolfgabe said:

@element187 Exactly my point. They clearly stated that this would be on a previously announced game yet the fanboys didn't get the message obviously

day

#171

day said:

There's something that a lot of people here haven't realized: Nintendo just shrugged VGx, and I don't put it past them to have done it on purpose.

Look, Nintendo is a moral company; one that operates on a very clear set of values. The indulgent attitudes of this award show go completely contrary to everything they stand for. Think about it: would Nintendo court a crowd who's primary addictions involve more blood, higher-res guts, sex, and a mindless empty aherence to the filth that draws so many generations astray? I'd say not.

Nintendo will survive and they'll do it with clean hands and a pure ethic. Simply put, Nintendo's Good and that's what scares those desperately seeking to justify their own Bad.

thanos316

#172

thanos316 said:

Nice surprise reggie. You had the gaming community on strings. But nothing. Missed opportunity to show something cool. Something unexpected. Something to blow away minds

KryptoKrunch

#174

KryptoKrunch said:

Haha, wow people need to calm down. The whole VGX show sucked. The only "new" reveal was the Borderlands game by Telltale(correct me if I'm wrong). I remember reading that Nintendo won't reveal Zelda U until e3 next year. By some people's logic, Sony, MS, Ubisoft and other VG companies are "d00med" too. The show didn't even announce all the awards and had a bunch of filler stuff with the co-hosts.

Too many people had their hopes set WAAAY too high for this.

SnackBox

#175

SnackBox said:

Do they know this was a prime time to show off? It would have wowed many if they did considering the footage shown from other companies. I know Nintendo has that one way street but they could have drawn in many by having a single trailer for something

day

#176

day said:

I'd like to point out: when asked about Metroid, Reggie slipped up and almost said "of course."

Nintendo knows what their fans want, but it's their "hardcore" fans they're catering to (the ones that can stick with them through the good times AND the bad). I think there's two things they don't really care about: money-over-virtue and SonySoft minions.

Kuksenkov

#177

Kuksenkov said:

I really don't understand why people are getting raged about this, yes.. the awards are not for the "casual" market, DK fits that "casual" market, even though the last DKC was not casual at all...

We have to be realistic, THIS game is the only high profile game coming to Wii U from the rest of this year, next year's January and February, what else is going to be released on Wii U in that time gap? Nothing.

They need to promote their OWN games, DKTF is the only high profile Nintendo game coming soon to the Wii U. They had an opportunity to promote their biggest upcoming game, teasing X, Bayonetta or other game that has NO launch day and those games are probably going to be delayed, would not be the smart move, why would they hype a game that we may not see until the second half of 2014?

The chance to get attention for the Wii U was now, and DKTF was the only realistic choice.

There'll be time to tease the other games...

WiiULoveSquid

#178

WiiULoveSquid said:

Iwata will be back in the next direct and make it all ok again lol.

We didn't show those "dudebros" who's boss this time but there's still some fight left in the Wii U for the next time. Oh yes, hardcore gamers, we will meet again! lol

Stubborn_Monkey

#179

Stubborn_Monkey said:

I'm not dissapointed, because I didn't have great expectations to begin with.

Having said that, Tropical Freeze is getting better as release date approaches. I was already going to buy it, but now I really want this game. I guess Cranky's inclusion is what delayed the game, but it is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED; if you aren't excited by this, let me tell you that you have no taste in video gaming.
Cranky Kong, people. THE LEGEND is going to make his playable debut in a DKC game. We all know he could take on those polar semiaquatic ruffians by himself alone, but he's allowing the youngsters accompany him so that they learn a thing or two.

I hope the game is released in Europe in February too, or at least no later than early March. Get ready for the coolest game on Wii U!

Reynoldszahl

#180

Reynoldszahl said:

@everybody beeing mad:

Go grow yourself a beard.

Those extreme expecations go beyond anything reggie or Iwata could possibly fullfill. So take yourself a christmas or whatever cheer, take a drink or two and relax with some existing game goodness.

SCAR392

#183

SCAR392 said:

Yaaaaaaa! Craaaaaanky Kong! No one's excited? :P I expected him to have that move from Duck Tales, TBH. I think it's funny that Reggie went on stage and announced Cranky Kong. It's trollishly classic, IMO. The game will probably sell well. I mean, really, Nintendo's announcement of Cranky Kong was probably the most humble announcement of a hyped up show, ever.

Stubborn_Monkey

#184

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@SCAR392

It was also the most worthy. Cranky deserves an entire show for himself. The show should've been like this: Reggie gets to the stage, says "Cranky Kong", game footage plays, MASSIVE APPLAUSE, Reggie walks off the stage, announcer thanks the audience, credits.

19Robb92

#185

19Robb92 said:

I wasn't expecting more or less. Cranky looks like fun character and DKC looks like GOTY material. Great character choice and the game looks outstanding! :D

The thing that turned ou to be the most fun was watching all the overhyped people getting disappointed. :P

WaxxyOne

#186

WaxxyOne said:

I refuse. REFUSE. To let the characters "dudebro" be a freaking word in the English language. Come up with something else not completely stupid, please. It's nearly as bad as "selfie".... shudders

DESS-M-8

#188

DESS-M-8 said:

@Emblem exactly, this is a game where the Wii u and Wii have a hole in the library for this genre especially to this standard and will have missed out on this title. Same logic with the release of deus ex on Wii u. Re-releasing the redux on prett much the same format a year later and not the new format, doesn't make any sense?

Park_Triolo

#191

Park_Triolo said:

Seriously... VGX is probably the worst pile of garbage I've ever seen in my life. What the hell happened to those presenters at birth? Someone must have dropped them on the floor. And what about that embarassingly bad feature with 2 screaming idiots... supposed to be fun??? Well, now I understand why Nintendo take very much care, when they choose events to attend. But it seems they didn't see this rubbish coming. As for the different games being shown, I have one keyword: Uninspired. Thank God Nintendo came around with some quality that made VGX shine, even if it was just for a few moments before sinking into the sea of mediocrity again.

Thumbs up for Reggie, NoA and DKC:TF

Oren

#192

Oren said:

Are people seriously getting their knickers in a twist over this? Why are people acting like things need to be announced at crappy award shows to generate any interest? From what I read we got an announcement for an updated Tomb Raider and a Telltale Game of Thrones game... Big Whoop. Hardly the stage to show off a new Zelda or Metroid.

Any games company could announce a teaser trailer for any new game at any time and it will be all over the net within minutes.Nintendo Direct is a platform to show this stuff. Regardless of whether somneone is watching it at the time it'll be all over media sites very quickly.

MrGawain

#193

MrGawain said:

To put it into context- was there any other mind blowing game revealed on any other platform that people didn't have a bit of an inkling about already?
Possibly that Borderlands thing. Maybe VGX isn't as big a deal as they would like us to believe?

Stubborn_Monkey

#194

Stubborn_Monkey said:

So, watching the footage of DKC:TF again, I must say that it looks spectacular.

Look at the details: look at the crashed plane at the beginning of the level, the machinery in the background moving the platforms, the waterfalls powering said machines, the leaves falling from the trees as the Kongs blast from the barrels, the thorns and bumps in the brambles... Retro Studios sure has taken advantage of the jump to HD. The brambles even move, encroaching in the scenery. The whole world feels so alive, so organic. DKC has always been about that kind of cohesive level design; in Super Mario you can have surreal things like blocks floating out of nowhere, but the Country games demand that the level elements are well-put together. And Tropical Freeze just feels right in that aspect.

By the way, I think we can all agree that it wasn't coincidence that Reggie was wearing that Samus pin during the announcement. I'd bet Retro will go back to Metroid and we'll have it on Wii U for the 2016 Holiday Season. Around three years of development time. Yeah, that feels right. Xmas 2014: Smash. Xmas 2015: Zelda. Xmas 2016: Metroid.

In the meantime, we could get another Samus adventure on 3DS. Perhaps a 2D one. Mr. Sakamoto and his team could finally release Metroid Dread and make the visuals really stand out with fantastic 3D effects.

Chunky_Droid

#197

Chunky_Droid said:

"C'MON NINTENDO! THIS WAS A DUDEBRO EVENT! DON'T SHOW DONKEY KONG"

  • everyone that thinks Nintendo bends to dudebros
Stubborn_Monkey

#198

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@MadAdam81
I thought Rare made him Cranky's son, and Donkey Kong Country Returns got things mixed up by referring to him as his grandson. You might be right, though; I haven't consulted the DKC booklet.

Chunky_Droid

#199

Chunky_Droid said:

DKC said he was his grandson, I automatically assumed this meant that DK. Jr. was the newer Donkey Kong's dad, but it's never been mentioned.

Goginho

#200

Goginho said:

Actually a very clever (and typical) move by Nintendo not to have revealed anything Zelda or Metroid related and what not. I mean, this award show to begin with is not that reputable imo.. Firstly, it only covers the US/western demographic (not to mention, the supposed 'dudebro' community, which is not deserving of a premier look at such highly regarded games, no offense). So for a Zelda sneak peek, it needs to be international, meaning simultaneously across the globe, and it needs to be a show with higher production value and overall higher credibility. And guys, think about it, this leaves us even more hungry for that sneak peek at Zelda, so when it comes along, the revelation will be ever so sweet (plus they'd be a lot farther into development than they are at the moment, which is something we're probably helplessly curious about as well). So patience is the key, and we will get our sweet reward in the end, regardless.

The only thing I can see negative about this, is that they may have damaged the image of Tropical Freeze a bit. I mean, the game is stunning and we already knew that, no questions there, but that so-called 'dudebro' community may take it the wrong way and see Nintendo as provocative and selfish idiots for 'going their own path' once again and showing us Cranky Kong, who probably seems irrelevant to their gaming needs, I can imagine. The game also didn't need anymore unecessary exposure at gaming events (TV ads and other media promotions are fine, and are obvi welcome), we know how it plays, we know what it's about and that it is closely related to the widely acclaimed DKC Returns. So they would've been better off with, letsay, Kart or Smash, in that regard. But nonetheless, whatever isn't shown beforehand, will be valued even more when it comes along later, and therefore will seem 'untouchable', so Nintendo are smart in that sense. Besides, it's not like the 'dudebros', and the general audience of that award show won't know about Kart and Smash when they get released, as well as Zelda and whatever else Nintendo haven't exposed yet. People are gonna talk. It's gonna be allover anyway :P

Stubborn_Monkey

#201

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@MadAdam81 @Chunky_Droid

I have searched a bit about the whole thing and this TMK page offers a very thorough explanation: http://themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml

It appears that Cranky has been referred to as DK's grandfather most of the time, but around DK64's release it was said that Cranky was his father. That's where I got the idea that he was Cranky's son. In DK64, Cranky says: "Well if it isn't my lazy, good-for-nothing son." when Donkey first enters his Lab. But he calls him his grandson most of other times, so I guess Cranky is DK's grandfather.

We might as well wait for a paternity test, though.

FeedingTheWheel

#202

FeedingTheWheel said:

@vamkar I agree. I only watched like 10 mins. and I said "Oh so its this type of games show..." and tuned out. It seemed like literally every word coming out of developers mouths' was "Fancy graphics this! Fancy graphics that!" And the hosts (whatever there names are) were cracking weak joke after weak joke. In a way I'm glad Nintendo revealed something as little as Cranky Kong, those "gamers" sure aren't worth seeing a new Monolith trailer.

Stubborn_Monkey

#203

Stubborn_Monkey said:

Now that I realise it, you've got to appreciate the irony that Cranky Kong was revealed to be playable in a ceremony filled with praise towards graphical prowess and polygon count.

I guess Cranky would be glad to show the graphic-obsessed crowd what a REAL game is all about, hahahahaha.

Gamer83

#205

Gamer83 said:

The rage I saw over this at some places is completely laughable. There have been few bigger critics of the Wii U and Nintendo in regards to the home console market than me over the past couple years but Nintendo fans upset with Nintendo for this and the Sony and MS corporate slaves making dumb remarks on youtube and other places is a joke. If people really thought the VGX is a place to announce anything significant I don't know what to tell you. Sony and MS brought nothing and I applaud them. In a way Nintendo should've done the same but maybe they felt they had to make an appearance at VGX to promote the Wii U a little more and they did so talking about something for an upcoming sequel to a game that sold 6.3 million copies. The release date for Tropical Freeze will be here before we know it, it has potential to sell some Wii U's, this content is stuff that will be in the game, the VGX is a mainstream show. It makes sense for Nintendo to do this and they didn't have to unload any of the real ammo that we know is being saved for E3.

Oren

#206

Oren said:

@Gamer83

Stop being so reasonable! This is the internet! Don't you know how it works?!

Seriously though... This.

Gamer83

#207

Gamer83 said:

@Oren

What's funny is I've been one who is highly critical of how Nintendo has handled things since 2011. It even managed to somehow screw up the 3DS launch, though to be fair Nintendo did react very quickly to that and turned the situation around brilliantly. Sadly the same can't be said for the whole first year of the Wii U but the good news is the turn around seems to finally be happening now. Super Mario 3D World is just the start of a barrage of great first and second party content and DKC follows soon to keep the post-holiday momentum. Now if Nintendo could just get more third party besides Ubisoft, it'd be in business.

BertoFlyingFox

#208

BertoFlyingFox said:

Are people really suggesting VGX is the best place to reveal big announcements?

lol

talk about building up hype in their own brains and expecting Nintendo to achieve all that hype. A new Zelda game....revealed at VGX....lol²

Gamer83

#211

Gamer83 said:

@BertoFlyingFox

I've seen some people argue that because this is a mainstream show they should've used it to build up some hype for something like Monolith's X or another Bayonetta 2. The problem is games like that will never appeal to the VGX crowd. Nintendo saving the big guns for E3 and TGS and the like is a smart move. VGX has had some big reveals before and a new Wii U Zelda would've been cool but considering A Link Between Worlds just released, it's too soon. Like you posted, people, as they always do in regards to this stuff, were overthinking and dreaming up scenarios that make little to no sense at this point in time.

@WiiUExposed
There are morons who still find a way to ridicule a brilliant game such as Super Mario 3D World because it's 'not mature' enough or someother nonsense they come up with. So no matter what Nintendo announced there was going to be some level of hate from the stupid Sony and MS corporate slaves.

Jazzer94

#212

Jazzer94 said:

@Gamer83 I was fine with the Cranky Kong announcement I just felt they didn't show enough it was to small/short overall Nintendo's presence was minuscule thats what bothered me.

eza

#213

eza said:

I can't believe that I stayed up and watched the whole thing. Obviously I didn't have anything better to do last night.
The presenters were pretty bad - especially the tall American 'funny' one.
Reggie was just a corporate question-dodging robot.

But no one's talking about the two most interesting-looking games:
Broken Age looks absolutely gorgeous and I can't wait for it to come out.
No Man's Sky looks fantastically ambitious. I wonder how same-ey it'll be actually be in practice - procedural generated worlds can have that problem - but it really stood out for me.

Donkey Kong looked like, well, looked like what we've already seen before really. It'll be good. It'll get a metascore of 84 or 87. Yawn. ;-)

Gamer83

#214

Gamer83 said:

@Jazzer94

That's fair enough. I don't know why Nintendo even bothered personally. It's two heavy-hitter franchises had new games released, I'd say just send Reggie there to talk up 3D World, A Link Between Worlds and some of the other 3DS games that were nominated in the handheld category and leave it at that. Sony and MS didn't have huge presences either and like I put in an earlier comment, I think that was a smart call. E3 is the Super Bowl of the industry, if I were running a gaming company that's what I'd make sure to have the biggest presence. The VGX should just be more about the red carpet nonsense because it really is a ridiculous joke of an awards show anyway.

Rafie

#216

Rafie said:

Okay I'm going to bite....which one of you geniuses came up with "dudebro"?! Seriously what is that?! I really don't know. Every time I ask around (and I have for months now), no one knows what I'm talking about or even heard of that term before. So I'm guessing this is what defensive Nintendo fans gave gamers that game on other consoles that's non-Nintendo.

Anyway, you all seriously did not think that powerhouse games such as Zelda, Metroid, X and such would be announced at this award show, did you? I hope not! I'm glad that they didn't show those games. That could be for E3. Now the DKCF might have been underwhelming to some, but I thought it was cool. I really wanted some more details on Mario Kart 8 though. That would have been cool. Still, it was a cool thing to show....although we knew (just not confirmed) that Cranky Cong was playable.

Oren

#217

Oren said:

No other company can release two 90+ metacritic games in the past few weeks and still get ridiculed like Nintendo does. I've been fairly critical in the way they have handled the Wii U but most of the criticism is just plainly unfair and untrue.

@WiiUExposed

That just isn't true. I have plenty of non-Nintendo gaming friends that respect them and praise what they are trying to do. Stop making assumptions based on the small minority of people who post on rubbish media sites.

ikki5

#218

ikki5 said:

...ug, I was expecting more than just a confirmation of some this we already knew due to a leak. With Christmas so close, why didn't they do something that would make people want to go out and buy a Wii U this Christmas. This news is basically old news, not exciting. Who cares about a new character. I hope that this isn't the reason the game was delayed. Nintendo, you are worrying me now. This was one of the best opportunities you had to bringing sales to this console, now I feel that you only hurt it because people will see this as "nothing new coming in 2014".

jjmesa16

#219

jjmesa16 said:

@element187 I think Yarn Yoshi would have been better than Donkey Kong. We know very little about Yarn Yoshi and there has been no news/videos/pictures since E3.

Not everybody was hoping for Zelda U footage. Remember that are some exciting games that have already been announced for next year: Bayonetta 2, X, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart 8, and Yarn Yoshi.

DarkNinja9

#220

DarkNinja9 said:

lol wow well apparently i never hoped on the hype train this time around and missed what happened o.O but meh so cranky kong is playable... next

but hey more wii u doom gloom articles coming for sure :|

Beetlejuice

#224

Beetlejuice said:

@Rafie

I wouldn't put too much thought into that 'dudebro' thing, especially since its thrown around on here as an insult by people whose avatar photos are either cartoon characters or furry animals.

Beetlejuice

#226

Beetlejuice said:

A look at Mario Kart 8 would have been more appropriate for this event. It too will be released in the next few months (if it stays on schedule) and it is a much bigger title for Nintendo and something that appeals to a wider group. Seeing a new trailer with some more levels, and perhaps the reveal of a new character or two would have been met with greater interest.

Excep7ional

#227

Excep7ional said:

Can someone tell me what a "dudebro" is? Seriously. That term is getting really annoying. By the way you guys are using it, I'm thinking it's someone who doesn't play Nintendo games.

gamelall

#228

gamelall said:

@triforcepower73 omg! They messed up so big on this. Don't get me wrong, I love Donkey Kong and can't wait for that game, but we saw so much of this game already. They had such a huge hardcore audience. This was the best time to show them what the WiiU can do with the new Zelda or Metroid. Even Beyoneta 2 or X would have been more accepted.

TruenoGT

#230

TruenoGT said:

@Excep7ional I believe "dudebro" refers to the guys who basically just buy only Madden and COD every year. I think it's meant to be disparaging in the sense that they don't really support innovation or creative/fantasy concepts... i.e. sort of the guns and sports crowd that doesn't add much to the industry besides sales to the big publishers. I think there's the sense that blame can be placed on the size of this market for publishers decreased risk-taking with new IPs, gameplay and degrading the value of creative talent in the industry.

Daisaku36

#231

Daisaku36 said:

I consider myself a pretty big fan of Nintendo, and I usually have a good idea of what to expect from them at this point. That being said, this announcement made sense, as DK is generally one of those games that can be crossover. I'd say I don't see why everyone is whining, but I already know, it happened the E3 2011, 2012 and 2013. Every fan and even some wannabes were more or less hyping up Nintendo's announcements, only to be disappointed after they actually did it, then when all was said and done, people got over it. Jeez, you people are so predictable.

Kirk

#232

Kirk said:

@MasterGraveheart

This.

Just like much of the previous year, Nintendo's Q1 and possibly also Q2 for Wii U are basically a drought of any truly exciting games, with one or possibly two big first party titles at absolute most (if you actually believe Smash Bros is coming any time soon), but dang Nintendo if it isn't trying to squeeze as much coverage and press out of the one or two half decent games it has to make it look like there's more there to be excited about on Wii U now and over the next few months, at least, than there actually is.

I for one am certainly not that easily duped.

That "world exclusive" reveal was worthy of a single "news" update on a Nintendo related video game site like Nintendo Life and very little more. If this had happened on one of the other consoles and been set up as some kind of "world exclusive" VGX reveal that people were actually supposed to get excited about then those companies would have been laughed out of the building.

Nintendo is just desperately clutching a straws now, regarding the whole Wii U games situation (both in terms of first and third party software), and any one with their eyes open can surely see that at this point.

Stubborn_Monkey

#233

Stubborn_Monkey said:

I'm actually surprised that commenters here are affected by the words of some guys on the Internet you don't even know. It seems like you feel guilty about being Nintendo fans, like you go through life with a big ol' button that reads: "INFERIORITY COMPLEX".

Alright, that's kinda harsh; but don't let yourself be picked on by some mob that's waiting for an easy target. You're better than that.

And the whole "Wii U has no games" is pure exaggeration. Let's take a look at history: remember the late 90's? Oh yeah, those where great times to be a Nintendo fan, with only Rare and the Big N itself making decent games for the console. Now, more than a decade later, it seems that only the good part is remembered, as if Mario 64 and Ocarina and Star Fox and F-Zero were released in a monthly basis, one after the other.

Relax, people. Chill. And don't allow inane blabbering ruin your day.

Kirk

#234

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

The NES and SNES were truly great times to be a Nintendo fan in terms of BOTH first party and third party games. The N64 had some truly great games but in terms of full-on first AND third party support it didn't sniff the likes of the NES and SNES. Third party support for Nintendo consoles has dropped off ever since the SNES era, where it was at it's absolute peak, to where it's now basically at arguably the worst level it has ever been in Nintendo's gaming history.

Don't make me go and get all the facts to show you just how truly mind boggling the support and high quality of it on SNES was for example because I will (I did exactly this the other day on another forum so I know this isn't just nostalgia speaking)...

Stubborn_Monkey

#235

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

Why, yes, Kirk. Golden Age long gone by and all that. But I'm talking about the N64 days. When the cool kids had their PlayStations with their CDs and Nintendo had its stupid old cartridges. When the world loved Square and Final Fantasy VII and its sequels. Fun times.

Kirk

#236

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

Well even on the N64 the overall level of first and third party support was still pretty much a "golden age" compared to where we are with the Wii U right now.

I mean it wasn't anywhere near the level of NES or SNES but I've certainly never been more frustrated with the overall games support situation on Nintendo's consoles than I have been since the Wii and now the Wii U too.

I know a LOT of people feel the same way and very justifiably so imo.

Note: Nintendo has actually been pretty consistent with it's first party support since the NES and right up to the Wii U, with generally a big first party game release every few months or so, but it's the fact that it now has some of the most lackluster and unenthusiastic third party support ever, so there's really not that many big AAA third party games supporting and backing up those big first party releases throughout the year, that makes things arguably worse now than they've ever been.

Or maybe it's the lackluster third party support PLUS all the other ways Nintendo's modern consoles just fall far short of the mark too, from the obvious power deficiency to the lack of major multi-media capabilities and even basic social-media integration etc, that actually makes things OVERALL just far worse than they've ever been.

Jazzer94

#237

Jazzer94 said:

@jjmesa16 But we're not talking about DKCTF we're talking about YY which has a very child like aesthetic to it that would of been lost on the demographic watching the awards and only help further their belief that the Wii U is a so called kiddie system.

Stubborn_Monkey

#238

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk
It wasn't that pretty. The Play got the first 3D Final Fantasy and it seemed like it was the end-all, be-all video game. Then they got the sequels. Tekken was there too, and Resident Evil (N64 got RE2 and it got everybody saying how lucky Nintendo was.). Metal Gear Solid showed us that people will watch a movie and think they played for hours---but only on Sony's console.

On the meantime, the audience was asking for a new Mario since 1997. Zelda got two games because they reused Ocarina's assets. Metroid was MIA since 1994. Earthbound 64? Oh yes, please. It will be hilarious and heartrending and weird and wonderf- CANCELLED.

Fortunately Pokémon managed to sell consoles during 1999-2001 by its presence alone. That, and Rare's support saved the N64. The two Banjos, GoldenEye, DK64... they were vital. Other than that? Desolation. A desert.

It could be worse, though. You could be a Sega fan during the Saturn's lifetime.

Kirk

#239

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

Well, the N64 was certainly the start point of all these "issues" but overall I don't think it really started kicking in fully till the GC which imo is the first console where really ONLY the hardcore Nintendo fans could seriously try and argue it's merits over the competition at the time.

At least with N64 it was the most powerful console of the time, had totally unique and industry shaping features like analog sticks, rumble support and 4-player split-screen out the box, had some of the best first and second party games of all time and except for going with carts over CDs, which did actually have some benefits for the end gamer/consumer (such as basically non-existent load times), it didn't actually lack any of the major functionality of the competition's consoles either.

The GC was the first time when Nintendo really started just leaving out major features and services for the sheer sack of it without any real meaningful justification or benefit to the end gamer/consumer, it seems, and that was never something it had really done before and unfortunately something it has continued to do since. All the other crap, like the continued lack of third party support and general negativity and "doom-saying" around Nintendo and it's consoles, really just flows from that point onward imo.

Yeah, Sega fans had it pretty much up the *ss from the trailing days of the Megadrive, with all the pointless add-ons and expansions, to basically the Dreamcast, which was actually a pretty great console and might have actually had a chance if Sega hand't f'd over and hurt it's once core and loyal fans so many times by that point.

Stubborn_Monkey

#241

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

Nintendo's biggest failure this year was NOT getting DK and Mario Kart ready for Christmas. Something must have gone wrong with the estimated time for development. Or perhaps they need more manpower. Other than that, online gaming has been the Big N's weak point since the sixth generation.

Wii U has been accused of being underpowered for Third-Party games. Well, the GameCube was powerful, and it didn't recieve the same support the PS2 and Xbox did (except for Capcom's exclusives.). What was the deal? They didn't like those mini-disks? Or perhaps the developers also thought that Nintendo was teh_kiddeh?

Funnily enough. Microsoft bought Rare thinking it would help them winning over the Big N's crowd, and both Grabbed by the Ghoulies and the Conker remake tanked.

mamp

#242

mamp said:

I wasn't disappointed because it was Reggie doing a reveal so I knew he wasn't going to show anything that was actually new. Let's face it only the head honchos of Japan have the creative freedom to do anything. All Reggie ever does is look like an idiot revealing news that is never actually news. I mean Cranky Kong was leaked days ago he missed a good opportunity well Nintendo missed a good opportunity by not giving him the chance to reveal actual news. Even the guy from Retro studios seemed so bored to be there because even he knew it was a joke.

Kirk

#243

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

See, the real problem is that Nintendo is basically having to rely on pretty much just it's own first party games more than ever.

If Wii U was seeing the same level and quality of third party support that the likes of the NES and SNES saw back in the glory days then the first party support the Wii U has received even thus far would actually be pretty great because it would sit alongside brilliant third party support and therefor there wouldn't be long droughts or lack of variety in certain genres etc.

Unfortunately if you have a console that basically no third party developers truly give a sh*t about and you're having to convince people it's an attractive buy based on a few first party games alone, even great ones, then you're always going to struggle.

At least with N64 Nintendo had the ever solid and reliable Rare releasing a lot of truly stunning second party titles on a regular basis alongside it's own stellar first party efforts, some of which are still considered among if not thee greatest games of all time, and at least we could all argue that is was the most powerful console of the day if we felt so inclined.

Wii U is basically all first party, a trickle of second party and basically very little else. No wonder most people just don't give a sh*t.

PS. The GC was powerful but it lacked some basic features that by that point virtually everyone that wasn't a stubborn Nintendo fan wanted/expected on their consoles, such as basic CD/DVD playback and online for example. It did the same as the other consoles in terms of specs but did less in terms of features, so ultimately it was still the lesser choice of the three (to anyone that wasn't a hardcore Nintendo fan), that's why it didn't get bought in very high numbers or see the same level of third party support as the competition. Not because it was basically the same power as any of the other systems at the time. Being the same power, basically not greatly under-powered, was A GOOD THING and anyone who says otherwise is a total idiot.

gage_wolf

#244

gage_wolf said:

Welp, still totally bummed out that Retro's talent is being drained on Donkey Kong, as I think the last thing the Wii U needs is ANOTHER platformer at the moment (especially 2d). Plus, I'd really like to see some first party muscle being flexed into something not so stylistically cute and cuddly. I love you Nintendo, but revealing that you can play as a really old ape in an unreleased 90s throwback title to a crowd of people that are hungry for NEXT GEN INSANITY was probably kind of pointless.

Stubborn_Monkey

#245

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

True, but Nintendo has basically relied on itself* since the N64. The NES days in America were basically a market monopoly by Nintendo's part. It was almost illegal.

Super Nintendo was a different story. Sega was ready to stand and fight. There was a race to see who would release Street Fighter II first. Sonic had a real marketing push behind. He had TWO cartoons on TV at the same time. Nintendo's censorship policies made sure Mortal Kombat fighters only "sweated", meanwile you could get all the violence you wanted on Sega. Towards the end Capcom and Square left Nintendo... and we know the rest. What I'm saying is that that kind of support won't happen again.

Personally, I think Nintendo will endure. We might have a new GameCube in front of us, but we won't get a new console until 2018 or so. How that new console will be, we'll see.

*not counting Rare's effort in the late SNES and N64. Love these guys.

Kirk

#246

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

Nintendo will be absolutely fine. Christ the Virtual Boy is but a distant memory and compared to that the Wii U is the coming of the Messiah. There's nothing to REALLY worry about with the future of Nintendo as a company at this point.

The Wii U however...well only totally stubborn Nintendo FANS could be "satisfied" with the system at this point imo.

Oren

#247

Oren said:

@WiiUExposed
I get that ridiculing Nintendo seems to be the done thing online these days but it isn't indicitive of everyone's attitudes towards them.

People need to realise that Nintendo are going to do it their way. The Wii was a fluke and it isn't going to happen again. The market just isn't there. The Wii U has basically picked up from where the N64/ Gamecube left off.

The 3DS is printing money for them at this point so there really is no worry over Nintendo as a company. As for the future of the Wii U.. we'll see. As long as i'm getting my 1st party Nintendo games i'll be happy.

Stubborn_Monkey

#248

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

I'm sure of it. Just look at the handheld market.

I'm not happy, either, with the Wii U's state. But I don't like it when someone kicks a guy when he is down.

What would you do to solve it? What decisions would you take if you were at Nintendo?

Oh, and, the Virtual Boy... poor Gunpei Yokoi. He didn't deserve it after all the good he brought to the company.

Kirk

#249

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

I've already mentioned a million times all the various things I think Nintendo could do in multiple threads etc, so there's no point in beating that dead horse again today. Maybe tomorrow...

I wouldn't kick a person when they are down but kicking a corporation when it's just under-performing in so many ways, some of which I believe are entirely possible to address and even relatively easily in some cases, actually feels kind of right to me. Nintendo needs a kick up the *ss as far as I'm concerned.

I totally agree that Gunpei deserved more. I mean if people actually went back and looked at all the stuff that guy did for Nintendo (Ultra Hand, Game & Watch, ROB, Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket, Kid Icarus, Metroid, important elements of Donkey Kong and Mario, and yes, even Virtual Boy)...He was basically just as important as any other single individual in making the company the huge success it was in his era.

Sir_Deadly

#250

Sir_Deadly said:

This was a pathetic decision on Nintendos part. Instead of showing new gameplay of a game people WANT to see, they show us things we've seen and already knew about. I was expecting Bayonetta 2,SSB, or even Yarn Yoshi to be a Ninty highlight at VGX. And instead we get an unwanted game that i still think shouldnt have been in development at this time.

Stubborn_Monkey

#251

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

He was the reason Nintendo got into making toys! He designed the Ultra Hand and several later contraptions! Without Yokoi there wouldn't be a Nintendo as we know it.

Kirk

#252

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

Absolutely agree.

The guy either invented outright or was involved with the likes of the Ultra Hand, Game & Watch, ROB, Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket, Kid Icarus, Metroid, important elements of Donkey Kong and Mario, and yes, even Virtual Boy (which it turns out he didn't actually think was ready to be released at the time).

He was basically as important to Nintendo as anyone else.

Stubborn_Monkey

#253

Stubborn_Monkey said:

To everyone saying Retro should be developing Metroid Wii U and DK should disappear...

C'mon, people. Retro released three Metroid games in five years. This is just Donkey's second outing, and people already want him gone? Samus had her spotlight during the GameCube; meanwhile, DK and the rest of his family wandered aimlessly after Rare's departure.

I mean, Tropical Freeze will have all the elements Returns was missing: underwater levels! Ice levels! Dixie Kong! DAVID FREAKING WISE IS COMPOSING THE SOUNDTRACK! You are free to feel bitter about the lack of Power Armor and Space Pirates, but don't make the Kongs pay for it. They don't deserve it. And Retro will come back to Metroid! We all know it!

Plus, Miss Aran already has a perfectly fine home in Japan. Yes, Other M was... controversial... but Yoshio Sakamoto also designed that jewel called Super Metroid! Have a little faith in the man!

Kirk

#254

Kirk said:

@Stubborn_Monkey

I honestly think Retro should be set up to be in a position that it could do both at this point.

Retro has been great for Nintendo but it's not quite the "Rare" I think Nintendo could definitely do with at this time.

Stubborn_Monkey

#255

Stubborn_Monkey said:

@Kirk

Three or four members of the senior staff left Retro after finishing Metroid Prime 3... I think a couple of them founded Armature; you know, that developer that made the recent 3DS/Vita Batman game. Not justifying anything, though.

But they moved to a bigger building last year, so perhaps now they start handling several projects at once.

Klinny

#260

Klinny said:

I actually think this news is great! I love Cranky Kong. I was on the fence with this game previously, but I don't think I can resist playing as the grumpy old geezer.

Caryslan

#261

Caryslan said:

@Stubborn_Monkey I would say now is the time to expand Retro and form three development teams. One devoted to Donkey Kong, One to Metroid, and one for brand new IPs. I think Retro has earned that honor, and I while I'm glad to see their efforts with Nintendo's existing IPs, I want to see what Retro could do if given the freedom to make a brand new IP.

Caryslan

#262

Caryslan said:

@Stubborn_Monkey The Saturn in Japan got better support than the N64 in that era. The Saturn was the system to play if you wanted the best versions of Capcom's fighters during that era, and the third-party support was pretty good. What killed the Saturn was Sega messing up with the 32X which confused consumers and made them distrustful of the company, a botched early launch that alienated retail stores that were not a part of it and gave Sony time to counter Sega's efforts, Bernie Stolar blocking RPGs and many of the games that made the Saturn popular in Japan from release in the US, and the fact that the Saturn never got a proper Sonic game.

In many ways, Nintendo got very lucky Sega messed up in the west so badly. Had Sega been on the ball in all regions, and put out the games that sold the Saturn in Japan, Nintendo could have been in an even worse place at the end of that generation.

Not many people know this, but the Saturn destoryed the N64 in sales in Japan. The Saturn had the third-party support and RPGs that the N64 lacked, and while it was always second to the PS1, the Saturn was Sega's most popular system ever in Japan and the first to outsell a Nintendo Console.

I'm not taking anything away from Nintendo, but they should be grateful SOA was run by idiots. Had Sega never messed with the 32X, launched the Saturn properly, brought over many of the system's popular games that never left Japan(including the best ports of Capcom's Fighters during that era) and had a brand-new Sonic game ready to go, things could have ended very badly for the N64. It's possible Nintendo could have finished last during that generation.

After all, it did happen in Japan. The problem is that Sega lost a good portion of their fanbase that they had won with the Sega Genesis, and the polices in place did not help matters.

Of course, this is all speculation, but I think Nintendo got really lucky that Sega made tons of mistakes that generation. Had Sega been on the ball with the Saturn in the west, Nintendo might have finished in third.

FJOJR

#266

FJOJR said:

The GamePad's killer app is still nowhere to be found more than a year later.

Sir_Deadly

#267

Sir_Deadly said:

@Stubborn_Monkey My issue is I think they should have made a completely new IP for there first HD game on a Nintendo platform. Dont get me wrong, DK looks awesome and will probbaly be awesome but i personally dont think it should be there first game. Maybe there second but thought they should have made a more unique original and fresh idea .

gregrout

#268

gregrout said:

That was sad really... I think I felt the stampede of potential Wii-U console buyers running as far away from the Wii-U as possible in a mad rush to buy a PS4 or XBox One. "Buy the Wii-U! We'll have Donkey Kong is February! Ah, where's everyone going?! Did someone pull the fire alarm?" - Awesome marketing. It's almost like Nintendo doesn't have their own marketing team. I'm really starting to think Sony and Microsoft have this inside deal where the "generously" loan out their marketing teams to Nintendo.

Excep7ional

#269

Excep7ional said:

@TruenoGT

@CaptainCharlie

Thanks for clearing that up. I have seen that term on a couple of websites but people usually use it to describe people who only play Call of Duty. When I came to this site, it gets thrown around a lot even when Call of Duty isn't even mentioned so that confused me. TruenoGT, I see what you are saying, but I just think it's stupid to put a label on people who like to play certain type of games and criticize them for it. I mean isn't that the same exact thing as calling people who play Nintendo games "Babies" or "little kids"?

In my opinion, shooters are fun. Especially when you get good online, it just feels rewarding. It's sort of hard to be innovative with shooters, FPS's especially since they will always be FPS's at the core. You can only go so far trying to innovate something like that, same goes for sports games.

Titanfall seems to be going in the right direction though. Implementing Giant Mechs and Parkour like movement with jet packs seems awesome. Not to mention it's being made by the people who made the first Modern Warfare; The game that made COD as famous as it is today. Destiny looks promising as well. With the direction they seem to be going, it seems that I will be putting countless hours into that game easy.

I will admit though, developers have been getting lazy. The last few shooters that came out have been bad. Halo got boring ever since Bungie left, COD is nothing more but a rage fest, Battlefield is fun with it's hectic objective matches and gigantic team battles, but other than that? meh. Gears of War just turned into crap etc.

sadsack777

#270

sadsack777 said:

well want can I say DK that was last year Reggie u had the chance to show something new and u didn,t then u say we are not selling as well get ur head in to gear before u lose all ur fans iam well angury at the mo u need to give ur Nintendo fans what they want to play

JimLad

#274

JimLad said:

I've come to expect these kinds of announcement let downs over the last few years, but it still breaks my heart to see genuinely optimistic Nintendo fans have their hopes smashed again and again.

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