(Just hearing this news) uhhhhhhhhh.... Is this good? Good for saving money maybe, but for publicitys sake... which they need a LOT of right now, this looks like suicide. I'm sure they'll have something to show, but who's gonna see it now?
They're going to need a lot more than these guys to save them at E3. If Nintendo provide anything less than a mindblowing conference this year... they've had it, frankly.
@LordLzGlad Problem is they're not just trying to sell a game, they're trying to sell a £300 system with it. To the untrained eye, NSMBU looks a lot like it's predecessor. In fact if you take away the HD and the fifth player, it could easily have been a Wii Game. Plus Mario Bros Wii came out 3 years into the console's life. It owes much of its success to the MASSIVE install base it already had. I don't think it would have sold the system at launch because it's not visually exciting enough, and sadly that is a big part of what sells games/consoles. Also oversaturating the brand hasn't helped. It seems like every 2nd game they announce now is a Mario game.
@grenworthshero
Trials, Splosion Man, Ms Splosion Man, LIMBO, Shadow Complex, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, Fez, Minecraft (only console version so far), Braid, HD versions of Banjo Kazooie, Tooie and Perfect Dark, Iron Brigade, Castle Crashers, Toy Soldiers, ilo milo, Super Meat Boy, Mark of the Ninja...
Obviously they're all download games, which is why I bought the system:
It has the best selection of downloadable and indie games of all three consoles.
Also the Playstation controller is an uncomfortable piece of crap.
Just getting a popular MMO running on a console would be a feat I would welcome no matter what the game is. WoW would be a good contender due to it's immense popularity and it's aged graphics making it an easier port.
Interface-wise the WiiU would be a better fit than the other two because of it's touchscreen controller. However the problem with console MMOs has always been patches, and I predict Nintendo would be the worst of the three to work with on it's online infrastructure.
This is how out of touch he is. Here's a hint Miyamoto... OONNNNNNLLLLLIIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEEE MOOOOOOODDDDDEEEEEEESSSS There's this thing called the internet, and you can play with other people from around the world.
Come on, you manage to come up with new Mario Karts every generation... and New Super Bros' every five minutes...
God I hope so, I've been waiting for this shift for a long time. Top end video games have gotten so repetitive and predictable, purely because no one can afford to take risks anymore.
It's pretty sad that there needs to be a seperate store. I remember when the majority of video games were designed for kids/everyone. It was back when platformers ruled the roost and we didn't need gore to sell a game. sigh I miss those days...
It may not seem like a big loss for a racing game, but it's still a cross in the box when weighing up different versions of the game.
This is entirely Nintendo's fault and yet another example of them making third parties to do all the legwork trying to bring their version of the game up to scratch.
And they wonder why they have less third party support...
Trust me this will not end with Sonic.
Pretty sure online isn't gonna be fully working at launch. Same thing happened with the Gamecube, then the DS, then the Wii, then the 3DS... Question is will Call of Duty have decent online, because if it doesn't Nintendo will have shot their new console in the foot massively.
If they're gonna charge that much, they better up their game. (no pun) Because games like Skyward Sword, Kirby's Return to Dream Land and Animal Crossing are definately not worth as much as say Elder Scrolls, Darksiders, GTA, etc. Not because I prefer those games, but they are simply bigger and cost a lot more to make.
This years conference told me all I needed to know...That after two whole years of virtually no Wii support, they're launching a new system with nothing even on the horizon that gets me excited. Lots of third party games that have already been released on other systems. WiiFit, Mario and Pikmin just look like clones of their predecessors. ZombiU, Lego, and Nintendo Land look mildly interesting but hardly blew me away.The controller appears to just be a place to put the map or inventory, and I'm willing to bet that's how 9/10 third parties will utilize it when porting their games. Without the first party heavy hitters like Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, or a proper 3D Mario title, there is no reason to get one over the other systems. It's just another HD console with an awkard shaped controller.
I've been a die hard Nintendo fan right back to the SNES, but I really think they've lost it now. They've completely forsaken their core franchises and core fans. I'm not waiting for another Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or minigame collection. They just don't seem to put the same effort into their games anymore. It's all cheap and cheerful looking bull****, re-used graphics and re-used game engines. Epics like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are a thing of the past now. It's clear they just want to milk 2D Mario for all he's worth. Then maybe somewhere down the line they'll give us a new Smash Bros, only by then no one will remember Star Fox or Captain Falcon or Ness...
I hope Nintendo change one day and start making those awesome games again that gave them their reputation. But until then I won't be following them anymore. WiiU has nothing for me.
Dancing. Fitness. Minigames. Lego. Late ports of third party titles. Mario, Mario and more Mario.
Pikmin was the only relatively interesting thing, and I'm not even a fan. That and Scribblenauts. Other than that no Smash Bros, no Metroid, Zelda, F-Zero, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Kirby... No price, nothing about online infrastructure... NSMBU is the only WiiU game I would actually buy, and that's not enough to sell me on the console as it looks way too much like every other version. So yeah... let down. (Sony had the best conference this year I think)
So an 18 year old game won Game of the Month... Am I the only one who thinks that's a little sad? I'm sure it deserves it, but what a sorry reflection on Nintendo's release schedule.
Does anyone want to post the 2004 Twilight Princess crowd reaction video? I wasn't watching at the time, but that for me was the greatest moment in E3 history.
@The_Fox lmao, gaming blue balls I know what you mean though, 2011 was mostly promises and things we already knew about. 2010 on the other hand was awesome. It was jammed full of real trailers for unseen stuff we actually wanted. I hope 2012 can recreate that feeling of 2006/2010.
The Gamecube controller was indeed very comfortable, it had the nicest analogue stick. But I gotta say I wasn't a fan of the buttons, especially the shoulder buttons. NES, SNES and N64 controllers were all groundbreaking, adding new options that have since become standard. But I think the SNES with it's diamond button layout and shoulder buttons has had the most enduring legacy. It's quite simply a classic.
Well considering Majora's Mask was made from the same engine and graphics as OoT in one year, and people seem to rave about that game (I wasn't one of them). I suppose there could be a market for it. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Twilight Princess or Wind Waker engines used for new games with new overworlds and dungeons etc.
On the other hand, their infrequency is what makes them special. But I think Nintendo need to up their game if they want future entries to be taken seriously. Skyward sword feels like it was made on a quarter of the budget given to Twilight Princess, and in many ways it feels like a step back. Zelda is a series that needs to look stunning, hopefully with HD they'll start pushing the envelope a little more.
I don't believe it will be uncomfortable in any way, Nintendo have never made an uncomfortable controller. I do wish they would make the buttons a bit bigger though, there's no need to have them so small on a controller that big. Also they need colour really it makes them easier to identify. Clearly a choice of style over practicality there. I'm glad they chose sticks though, slide pads are good for handhelds but for long console use I wouldn't want to use them.
It won't effect early adopters because they are the die-hard fans. It will effect the following months after the hype dies down, then they need new customers. A lack of Mario didn't effect the GameCube so much because it got Super Smash Bros Melee within the first month. And you're right 3DS was just too expensive. The thing is Super Mario World and Mario 64 (and Super Mario Bros) were landmark games. They were the kind of games you go "wow I must play that". I don't think Sunshine was one of those games, or New Super Mario Bros, or Mario 3D Land. Mario Galaxy might have been, but it still wasn't HD. Sadly he's getting old now and doesn't set the standard like he used to. Mario is still a surefire way to get the casual crowd on board though, and Nintendo need those consumers before they start rolling out other games, not after.
I agree with everything ShadJV #32 said. They do need more third party games to keep up but also some killer app first party software. I'm talking about games that define the console and make use of the controller. Otherwise, what would be the point? Personally that's what I'll be looking for, new ideas that wow me. Otherwise I'll just stick with brand X, I don't need another standard Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart that badly.
How many times?... Crush 40 is NOT CHEESY! It's a masterpiece and the best music ever committed to a Sonic game, possibly to any game. Sonic Adventure 2 has one of THE greatest gaming soundtracks.
Hopefully. Nintendo need more 'hero' franchises. New IPs like Wii Sports, and Brain Training are good but they don't introduce any new characters for people to follow.
That would be cool. I'd be a bit wary since I wasn't exactly a fan of DKC Returns or any of the Metroid Primes (although I'm not a Metroid fan period) But I know these guys are talented enough to make it. Just so long as they don't make it as infuriating as Donkey Kong it should be awesome.
That's pure BS, digital always costs less to sell than physical media. Whether it's a noticeable amount or a couple of dollars, the only explaination here is he wants those dollars for himself.
Digital Distribution is the future. It opens up the market to indie development teams, allows them to set the price point, release patches, demos, DLC, have their games rated accurately. It's the best way to get some fresh blood and new ideas.
The gaming charts don't belong to gamers anymore. But if Nintendo want to be in the charts they just need those multiplatform games on their system. Hopefully WiiU will be that system.
You know the best way to come up with new characters?
Make more platforming games! That's how all the best ones started:
Mario, Metroid, Sonic, Mega Man, Castlevania, Kirby...
And they've got to be awesome, unlike Pikmin and Nintendogs.
Miyamoto is a great producer, but I doubt his ability to come up with any new awesome ideas at this point.
@Phoenixborn I agree with the first part. Hardware sales don't necessarily = software sales. This is a clear sign that Nintendo's core fanbase has been abandoning them in droves, that's why their new software doesn't sell as much. Massive gaps in your release schedules will do that.
#1
JimLad commented on New River City Ransom Sequel Confirmed:
YES A MILLION TIMES (no pun intended)
#2
JimLad commented on Pachter: Nintendo Made The Right Decision In S...:
(Just hearing this news)
uhhhhhhhhh....
Is this good? Good for saving money maybe, but for publicitys sake... which they need a LOT of right now, this looks like suicide.
I'm sure they'll have something to show, but who's gonna see it now?
#3
JimLad commented on Road Redemption Developer Has No Legal Worries...:
This is the first project I've actually backed on Kickstarter. I've waited so long for a new Road Rash type game. Mega excited.
#4
JimLad commented on Zelda Symphony Returning To Los Angeles During...:
They're going to need a lot more than these guys to save them at E3.
If Nintendo provide anything less than a mindblowing conference this year... they've had it, frankly.
#5
JimLad commented on UK Retailers Call For Wii U Price Cut And Fres...:
@LordLzGlad Problem is they're not just trying to sell a game, they're trying to sell a £300 system with it.
To the untrained eye, NSMBU looks a lot like it's predecessor. In fact if you take away the HD and the fifth player, it could easily have been a Wii Game.
Plus Mario Bros Wii came out 3 years into the console's life. It owes much of its success to the MASSIVE install base it already had. I don't think it would have sold the system at launch because it's not visually exciting enough, and sadly that is a big part of what sells games/consoles.
Also oversaturating the brand hasn't helped. It seems like every 2nd game they announce now is a Mario game.
#6
JimLad commented on Xbox 360 On Track To Surpass The Wii's UK Sale...:
@Banker-Style
^ this
#7
JimLad commented on Wii Owners: Microsoft Wants You To Buy The Xbo...:
@grenworthshero
Trials, Splosion Man, Ms Splosion Man, LIMBO, Shadow Complex, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, Fez, Minecraft (only console version so far), Braid, HD versions of Banjo Kazooie, Tooie and Perfect Dark, Iron Brigade, Castle Crashers, Toy Soldiers, ilo milo, Super Meat Boy, Mark of the Ninja...
Obviously they're all download games, which is why I bought the system:
It has the best selection of downloadable and indie games of all three consoles.
Also the Playstation controller is an uncomfortable piece of crap.
#8
JimLad commented on Wii Owners: Microsoft Wants You To Buy The Xbo...:
Would... but I already bought one last year when Nintendo stopped making decent games for their own system.
So yeah... ya already got me.
#9
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Games That Need Wii U - World o...:
Just getting a popular MMO running on a console would be a feat I would welcome no matter what the game is.
WoW would be a good contender due to it's immense popularity and it's aged graphics making it an easier port.
Interface-wise the WiiU would be a better fit than the other two because of it's touchscreen controller.
However the problem with console MMOs has always been patches, and I predict Nintendo would be the worst of the three to work with on it's online infrastructure.
#10
JimLad commented on Miyamoto Puzzled As To Why Anyone Would Want A...:
This is how out of touch he is.
Here's a hint Miyamoto...
OONNNNNNLLLLLIIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEEE MOOOOOOODDDDDEEEEEEESSSS
There's this thing called the internet, and you can play with other people from around the world.
Come on, you manage to come up with new Mario Karts every generation...
and New Super Bros' every five minutes...
#11
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Splinter Cell Director Doubts T...:
God I hope so, I've been waiting for this shift for a long time.
Top end video games have gotten so repetitive and predictable, purely because no one can afford to take risks anymore.
#12
JimLad commented on GameStop Kids Store Launches, 80 More Planned:
It's pretty sad that there needs to be a seperate store. I remember when the majority of video games were designed for kids/everyone. It was back when platformers ruled the roost and we didn't need gore to sell a game.
sigh I miss those days...
#13
JimLad commented on How Did Nintendo Do At This Year's Golden Joys...:
I love Minecraft but I really don't think the Xbox version should have beaten some of the other releases this year. Trials Evolution for instance.
#14
JimLad commented on No Voice Support For Sonic & All-Stars Racing ...:
It may not seem like a big loss for a racing game, but it's still a cross in the box when weighing up different versions of the game.
This is entirely Nintendo's fault and yet another example of them making third parties to do all the legwork trying to bring their version of the game up to scratch.
And they wonder why they have less third party support...
Trust me this will not end with Sonic.
#15
JimLad commented on River City Ransom 2 On Hold Indefinitely:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
#16
JimLad commented on Unsure About Wii U's Online Capabilities? Don'...:
Pretty sure online isn't gonna be fully working at launch. Same thing happened with the Gamecube, then the DS, then the Wii, then the 3DS...
Question is will Call of Duty have decent online, because if it doesn't Nintendo will have shot their new console in the foot massively.
#17
JimLad commented on You'll Be Able To Play Darksiders II Entirely ...:
I was under the impression every WiiU game could do this, wasn't that the point of their whole 'you don't need a TV/ take it in another room' thing?
#18
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Are Wii U Games Going To Be Too...:
If they're gonna charge that much, they better up their game. (no pun)
Because games like Skyward Sword, Kirby's Return to Dream Land and Animal Crossing are definately not worth as much as say Elder Scrolls, Darksiders, GTA, etc.
Not because I prefer those games, but they are simply bigger and cost a lot more to make.
#19
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Reviewing Nintendo's E3 Press C...:
This years conference told me all I needed to know...That after two whole years of virtually no Wii support, they're launching a new system with nothing even on the horizon that gets me excited. Lots of third party games that have already been released on other systems. WiiFit, Mario and Pikmin just look like clones of their predecessors. ZombiU, Lego, and Nintendo Land look mildly interesting but hardly blew me away.The controller appears to just be a place to put the map or inventory, and I'm willing to bet that's how 9/10 third parties will utilize it when porting their games. Without the first party heavy hitters like Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, or a proper 3D Mario title, there is no reason to get one over the other systems. It's just another HD console with an awkard shaped controller.
I've been a die hard Nintendo fan right back to the SNES, but I really think they've lost it now. They've completely forsaken their core franchises and core fans. I'm not waiting for another Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or minigame collection. They just don't seem to put the same effort into their games anymore. It's all cheap and cheerful looking bull****, re-used graphics and re-used game engines. Epics like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are a thing of the past now. It's clear they just want to milk 2D Mario for all he's worth. Then maybe somewhere down the line they'll give us a new Smash Bros, only by then no one will remember Star Fox or Captain Falcon or Ness...
I hope Nintendo change one day and start making those awesome games again that gave them their reputation. But until then I won't be following them anymore. WiiU has nothing for me.
#20
JimLad commented on E3 2012: Every Wii U Game Announced So Far:
That list is nothing but re-releases and predictable sequels.
Even Pikmin just looks like the same old game with a HD finish.
I really expected more after the year-long Wii drought. This might be the first Nintendo console in a while I don't buy day one.
#21
JimLad commented on Reaction: James, Tom and Mike React to E3 2012:
Dancing.
Fitness.
Minigames.
Lego.
Late ports of third party titles.
Mario, Mario and more Mario.
Pikmin was the only relatively interesting thing, and I'm not even a fan. That and Scribblenauts. Other than that no Smash Bros, no Metroid, Zelda, F-Zero, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Kirby...
No price, nothing about online infrastructure...
NSMBU is the only WiiU game I would actually buy, and that's not enough to sell me on the console as it looks way too much like every other version.
So yeah... let down. (Sony had the best conference this year I think)
#22
JimLad commented on Game of the Month: May 2012 - Monster World IV:
So an 18 year old game won Game of the Month...
Am I the only one who thinks that's a little sad?
I'm sure it deserves it, but what a sorry reflection on Nintendo's release schedule.
#23
JimLad commented on Zen Studios Reveals CastleStorm for "Nintendo ...:
You had me until the words 'tower defence', then my intrigue went soft.
#24
JimLad commented on Feature: Games We'd Love to See at E3:
A new 3d platformer, don't care what it is so long as Nintendo make it.
#25
JimLad commented on Feature: Our Favourite E3 Memories - Part One:
Does anyone want to post the 2004 Twilight Princess crowd reaction video?
I wasn't watching at the time, but that for me was the greatest moment in E3 history.
#26
JimLad commented on Feature: The Best Moments of E3 2011:
@The_Fox lmao, gaming blue balls
I know what you mean though, 2011 was mostly promises and things we already knew about.
2010 on the other hand was awesome. It was jammed full of real trailers for unseen stuff we actually wanted. I hope 2012 can recreate that feeling of 2006/2010.
#27
JimLad commented on Feature: The Evolution of Nintendo's Controllers:
The Gamecube controller was indeed very comfortable, it had the nicest analogue stick. But I gotta say I wasn't a fan of the buttons, especially the shoulder buttons.
NES, SNES and N64 controllers were all groundbreaking, adding new options that have since become standard. But I think the SNES with it's diamond button layout and shoulder buttons has had the most enduring legacy. It's quite simply a classic.
#28
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Should Zelda Go Episodic?:
Well considering Majora's Mask was made from the same engine and graphics as OoT in one year, and people seem to rave about that game (I wasn't one of them). I suppose there could be a market for it.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Twilight Princess or Wind Waker engines used for new games with new overworlds and dungeons etc.
On the other hand, their infrequency is what makes them special. But I think Nintendo need to up their game if they want future entries to be taken seriously. Skyward sword feels like it was made on a quarter of the budget given to Twilight Princess, and in many ways it feels like a step back. Zelda is a series that needs to look stunning, hopefully with HD they'll start pushing the envelope a little more.
#29
JimLad commented on Redesigned Wii U Tablet Controller Is Revealed:
I don't believe it will be uncomfortable in any way, Nintendo have never made an uncomfortable controller. I do wish they would make the buttons a bit bigger though, there's no need to have them so small on a controller that big. Also they need colour really it makes them easier to identify. Clearly a choice of style over practicality there.
I'm glad they chose sticks though, slide pads are good for handhelds but for long console use I wouldn't want to use them.
#30
JimLad commented on Feature: Launching a Console Without Mario:
It won't effect early adopters because they are the die-hard fans. It will effect the following months after the hype dies down, then they need new customers.
A lack of Mario didn't effect the GameCube so much because it got Super Smash Bros Melee within the first month. And you're right 3DS was just too expensive.
The thing is Super Mario World and Mario 64 (and Super Mario Bros) were landmark games. They were the kind of games you go "wow I must play that". I don't think Sunshine was one of those games, or New Super Mario Bros, or Mario 3D Land. Mario Galaxy might have been, but it still wasn't HD.
Sadly he's getting old now and doesn't set the standard like he used to.
Mario is still a surefire way to get the casual crowd on board though, and Nintendo need those consumers before they start rolling out other games, not after.
#31
JimLad commented on Peter Molyneux Wants More From 'Lacklustre Wii U':
I agree with everything ShadJV #32 said.
They do need more third party games to keep up but also some killer app first party software. I'm talking about games that define the console and make use of the controller. Otherwise, what would be the point?
Personally that's what I'll be looking for, new ideas that wow me. Otherwise I'll just stick with brand X, I don't need another standard Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart that badly.
#32
JimLad commented on Buy Sonic Soundtracks For All Generations:
How many times?... Crush 40 is NOT CHEESY! It's a masterpiece and the best music ever committed to a Sonic game, possibly to any game.
Sonic Adventure 2 has one of THE greatest gaming soundtracks.
#33
JimLad commented on Sakurai Won't Make a Kid Icarus: Uprising Sequel:
25 years is how long it will take to make the next Smash Bros, then he'll be retired.
#34
JimLad commented on Cloudberry Kingdom Will Be Wii U's Most Diffic...:
That's nuts and I wanna try it.
#35
JimLad commented on La-Mulana Director Would Welcome Offers from P...:
Atlus maybe?
#36
JimLad commented on Feature: Kid Icarus - Nintendo's Next Big Fran...:
Hopefully. Nintendo need more 'hero' franchises.
New IPs like Wii Sports, and Brain Training are good but they don't introduce any new characters for people to follow.
#37
JimLad commented on Rumour: Retro Studios Preparing Star Fox Wii U...:
That would be cool.
I'd be a bit wary since I wasn't exactly a fan of DKC Returns or any of the Metroid Primes (although I'm not a Metroid fan period)
But I know these guys are talented enough to make it. Just so long as they don't make it as infuriating as Donkey Kong it should be awesome.
#38
JimLad commented on Mario Bros. Battle Marathon to Raise Money for...:
This is a game they should update. For the eShop or something.
Make it four player, hell... make it 8 player online (with bigger levels).
#39
JimLad commented on Talking Point: The Critical Importance of Blac...:
Yah the WiiU definately needs CoD. I wouldn't be interested personally but if Nintendo want to win back 'hardcore' gamers, this is how you do it.
#40
JimLad commented on Nintendo Confirms E3 2012 Press Conference Dat...:
5pm excelllent.
Gone are the days when I used to have to stay up until 4am on GameSpot.
#41
JimLad commented on Interview: Trent Oster - WiiWare from a Develo...:
Thanks for doing this interview, letting the man explain himself.
#42
JimLad commented on Iwata Won't Promise "Overwhelmingly Rich" Wii ...:
So long as they have one killer app they'll be alright.
If not then they need to delay launch like Ren said, or they will have learned nothing.
#43
JimLad commented on Iwata Defends Identical Digital and Retail Prices:
That's pure BS, digital always costs less to sell than physical media.
Whether it's a noticeable amount or a couple of dollars, the only explaination here is he wants those dollars for himself.
#44
JimLad commented on Fan Video Gives a Tease of Star Fox HD:
That actually made me sad, it's like a taster of what could be done with Star Fox.
But I've just about given up hope for a new one at this point.
#45
JimLad commented on Rayman Legends is Coming to Wii U, Supports NFC:
I agree with Kirk, the visuals of Rayman Origins put NSMBW to shame.
That said I prefer Mario's gameplay.
#46
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Does Nintendo Finally 'Get' Dig...:
Digital Distribution is the future.
It opens up the market to indie development teams, allows them to set the price point, release patches, demos, DLC, have their games rated accurately.
It's the best way to get some fresh blood and new ideas.
#47
JimLad commented on Mario's Presence in UK is 'Smallest in the World':
The gaming charts don't belong to gamers anymore.
But if Nintendo want to be in the charts they just need those multiplatform games on their system. Hopefully WiiU will be that system.
#48
JimLad commented on We'll Probably See Some New Nintendo Character...:
You know the best way to come up with new characters?
Make more platforming games! That's how all the best ones started:
Mario, Metroid, Sonic, Mega Man, Castlevania, Kirby...
And they've got to be awesome, unlike Pikmin and Nintendogs.
Miyamoto is a great producer, but I doubt his ability to come up with any new awesome ideas at this point.
#49
JimLad commented on How Running to the Right is Heroic:
Platformers > Every other genre.
#50
JimLad commented on Talking Point: Why Skyward Sword Sales Failed ...:
@Phoenixborn I agree with the first part. Hardware sales don't necessarily = software sales. This is a clear sign that Nintendo's core fanbase has been abandoning them in droves, that's why their new software doesn't sell as much.
Massive gaps in your release schedules will do that.