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electrolite77

electrolite77

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electrolite77

#3

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@JaxonH

"As a true and dedicated gamer I commit myself to buy all platforms each generation so that I don't have to worry about coveting what I'm not getting."

Agree with this. I don't understand shutting yourself off from games unless of course you can't afford it. I currently have GC, Wii, Xbox, low end gaming laptop (for strategy games), Vita, 3DS, Wikipad (for portable emulation), PS3, Wii U and PS4. I also have a full time shift work job, a wife and a 1-year-old so gaming time is limited. Yet....each time we're out shopping I find myself looking covetously at the XB1. When my wife asked me why I couldn't really explain beyond its a games machine....So I want one.

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#4

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@readyletsgo

Fair enough. I just think they stopped because the machine stopped selling. Nintendo were very bad at getting behind it in the first few months too whether it be with quality releases, advertising or even explaining what the machine is. Add to that the time and cost accusations of a quirky architecture and low sales was always going to be a show stopper.

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#5

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@Sean_Aaron
The reason is pretty obvious. Nintendo doesn't do market oversaturation, you'll get maybe one entry in a series per system; possibly two, whereas you can guarantee multiple franchise entries from publishers on other consoles as quickly as they can churn them out. How many Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, Gears of War, Need for Speed games are out on PS360 right now?."

Plenty but I don't see how that affects anything. I don't like Animal Crossing or Smash Bros or COD or the majority of FPS in fact. I just don't buy them. Every machine ever is going to have lots of games an individual doesn't like. They don't make the games that individual wants less playable. Similarly I can understand getting bored of franchise overkill but just stop buying them. There being two other Zelda games on 3DS doesn't make A Link Between World's worse and Jak and Daxter didn't become any less sublime a platformer because they put out two different sequels.

"And yes, I'm fully aware of the gems from the PS2/GameCube era, but I've moved on since then and I don't feel the poorer for missing those. Another era of 3D gaming with a dual-stick joypad didn't have any draw for me and I had other priorities, what can I say?"

Fair enough. It just seems inconsistent to say you've purchased one system because of interesting quality titles but ignored others that have them, suggesting the don't.

"I also know there's more to the PS/360 than the three genres I named, but those are far and away the dominant ones and they are the most-promoted and biggest draws on the systems, you cannot deny that. If those kinds of games disappeared from those machines tomorrow I guarantee sales would crash through the floor."

I don't deny it but again don't see the relevance. Poor sales doesn't affect the existing Wii U library.

It seems you're reverse engineering a set of criteria to avoid saying "I like Nintendo and have shut myself off to what others offer" lest fanboy accusation follow. Don't be shy man, we're all friends here. ;-)

electrolite77

#6

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@readyletsgo

"We WiiU owners wanted the NEW games that were coming to the ps360 in 2012/13 not ports of old games with less content."

Assassins Creed 4, Batman Arkham Origins, Rayman Legends, COD Ghosts, Splinter Cell Blacklist all launched at the same time as on other formats. Ass Creed 3, Tekken Tag 2, Darksiders 2 were only late because of the Wii U's launch date. Sonic Racing, Need for Speed and Deus Ex were late but improved to the status of best version.

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#7

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@Dr_Lugae

They put shovelware on Wii because thats what sold. The likes of Zack and Wiki, Okami, No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, Boy and His Blob, Dead Space Extraction, Speed Racer, Muramasa etc. struggled while endless dodgy minigame collections and dancing games sold. Also I'm not sure about them not building on Resi and COD successes on the Wii. The two Resi on-rails shooters are good, the Cube games got ports and there are 5 COD games on the Wii.

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#8

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@Sean_Aaron

"As long as the big "AAA" publishers keep relying upon endless franchise entries and similarly-themed games I'm not buying their stuff; as long as Nintendo keeps putting out interesting quality titles I'll keep buying their stuff. Pretty simple!"

But you're happy with Nintendo putting out sequel after update after sequel? And you dropped out of gaming to miss out on the PS2 and GC with their tons of interesting quality titles that weren't endless franchise entries? You think PS360 just have racers, sports games and actions shooters?

There isn't a bit of this that makes sense. Bit of research needed here chief.

electrolite77

#9

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@Malakai

Read my original post. I said the blame had to be shared around as it does. If consumers don't buy a good game its their fault. While I acknowledge the effect of marketing which was brought into the debate by another poster it doesn't excuse consumers not getting themselves informed enough therefore they are their share of responsibility.

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#13

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@Dr_Lugae

Well yeah of course the most advertised games are often the biggest sellers. There's no secret there and its also the case on Nintendo platforms. There will always be flops too, I'm not saying every single third party game on PS or XBox is a success. However due in whatever proportion to their hardware, their licensing fees and business proposition, their fanbase or their willingness to advertise third-party games Sony and MS platforms are generally far more receptive. Thats why they get a lot more support whether at retail or the massive indie support for PS4. The numbers don't lie.

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#14

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

@NintendoFan64

"I wish I was PS4 or Xbone fan, because they at least don't have to deal with this..."
Hahahaha what? I assume that's a joke but I don't get it

@BLPs

Get up any day of the week, decide that day to support either MS, Sony or Nintendo and go round a few games sites on the internet. You'll be having your stomach pumped by midday.

electrolite77

#15

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Wii U Gamers Have Been Treated ...:

Poor article pandering to the zealot mentality. In reality the blame for the consistent lack of third-party software on Nintendo can be shared around:-

The Software Co's themselves. Particularly EA (though FIFA did at least use the Gamepad well) stuffed the launch line up with lazy ports. The PS4 and XB1 launches didn't look much different either. Of course it's a big ask these days to fund exclusive software for a machine with no guarantee of success but the.likes of ME3 were shoddy.

Nintendo. They may not be outright hostile to third-party pubs like they were in the Yamauchi era (see the antitrust cases and the 'Dream Team' farce) but indifference isn't great progress. They talked the talk about support for Wii U then launched an under-powered machine with different architecture and a quirky controller that for all it does have, missed things like analogue triggers. Also, while third parties were knocking out ports for Wii U's launch Nintendo weren't exactly selling the machine, launching with a minigame collection that utterly missed any Wii Sports system-selling quality and a cookie cutter Mario platformer 3 months after the last one.

Nintendo fans. They've constantly ignored third party games. Not just the ports on Wii U that got left on the shelf because of missing DLC (even though buying those games on Nintendo platforms would have supported the company they proclaim to love) but plenty of original, exclusive, well targeted third-party games have fallen by the wayside. From Zack and Wiki to Spacestation Silicon Valley, Rocket to Viewtiful Joe, Billy Hatcher to A Boy and His Blob to Muramasa to Red Steel 2 to Little Kings Story to Glover to Sega Soccer Slam its happened time and again.

I suppose I'd best include Sony and Microsoft in that for having the temerity to produce popular machines that are fairly developer-friendly and having fanbases that buy more software than just that produced by the platform holder.

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#17

electrolite77 commented on Exclusive: Project CARS "Simply Too Much For W...:

@N1ntendodo

"We should make them fear us even more and MAKE THEM SWEAT about even thinking developing with Nintendo." That's crazxy. It's the opposite of what needs to happen. But given the way Nintendo fans have ignored third-party games over the years, even quality exclusives, mission accomplished.

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#20

electrolite77 commented on Negative Reception For Devil's Third Is Due To...:

@Faruko

He's wrong too. Plus that's not really relevant to this article where describing DT as PS2 era comes across as no more than uncharacteristic and unsavoury petulance. If they'd compared it to some dreadful early PS3 game like Haze fair enough but that wouldn't satisfy the wounded pride of a gaming journalist.

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#24

electrolite77 commented on Splatoon Splats Top 10 NPD Position in June as...:

@kiigu

It is still great news though, another big IP feather in the cap. The sequel on NX will be an attention grabber. Hopefully it'll encourage more new IP from the Big N.

@darth2d2

Sony said PS4 hardware was profitable in the middle of last year. Microsoft have been having to almost give the XB1 away but will make a lot back from XBox Live

@sketchturner

That sentence has been doing the rounds since the N64 days just with different games names and different months.

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#37

electrolite77 commented on Feature: Taking to the Skies for a Final Look ...:

I'm still hopeful it'll turn out great because its Starfox but it doesn't look good at the minute. There's some serious groupthink going on among those who just believe it's good because it's by Nintendo. It's like the Emperors New Clothes. Step back from trying to convince ones self that it looks good and....well it doesn't.

Fingers crossed though personally I'm looking forward to XCX and Mario Maker far more than this. Which is sad.

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#39

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

Those saying power doesn't matter are wrong. Citing previous generations is hugely misleading. The PS1 may have been slightly less powerful than the N64 but it was capable of the likes of Ridge Racer, Resident Evil, FFVII, Gran Turismo etc. each in their time absolutely cutting edge. Likewise the PS2 may have been slightly behind Xbox and Gamecube but as it was wielding Gran Turismo 3, Grand Theft Auto 3 and Jak and Daxter by the time the competition even got released it didn't appear to be. To win a generation sales wise you have to be competitive on power and ideally first to market.

The Wii is the only anomaly to have outsold its competition on a significant lack of power and that had the advantage of a revolutionary USP and the fact consumers had to buy new TVs to take advantage of PS3/360's graphical advantages

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#41

electrolite77 commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

Good article. Sums up the problems Nintendo face. A hybrid of some kind is the most obvious way to go. They will struggle against to get third-party support as historically a lot of Nintendo fans ignore third-party games (I'm not talking about ports on Wii U either, I'm talking about high quality exclusives on N64, Cube and Wii). Because of that Nintendo need to be able to concentrate all their resources on one platform to keep the quantity of software at a respectable level.

They seem scared of genuinely competing with Sony and MS though so I'm not hopeful of a powerful console.

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#42

electrolite77 commented on Poll: Does Nintendo's Drive Towards Multiplaye...:

Multiplayer is great as long as

1) It doesn't impact on single player value

2) Nintendo remember they are supposed to be making games for everyone and include online options for the many adults out there who struggle to get local multiplayer sessions arranged

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#46

electrolite77 commented on Nintendo NX Will Avoid The Launch Issues Which...:

@shani

Nintendo have consistently failed to keep promises. They always fail to support hardware after its successor launches. They always say the next launch will be the one where they've learned from their mistakes.

Their actions in the past are the reason why so many who know their history are dubious of these words. He's saying these things now because its good PR. The past has shown that Iwata saying things will happen is no guarantee they will happen.

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#49

electrolite77 commented on Nintendo NX Will Avoid The Launch Issues Which...:

Oh we're also promising support for Wii U and 3DS after NX launches? Hmmm, how many Nintendo games were released for Wii after Wii U launched? Or GC games after Wii launched? Or GBA games after DS launched? Or N64 games after GameCube laun....well you get the idea....