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Nintendo Provides Some Context to 2013's Tomodachi Life Same-Sex Marriage Controversy

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Indications are is that it still won't be an option, though

Yesterday's Tomodachi Life Nintendo Direct brought the rather wacky 3DS Mii life-sim to the attention of a lot more gamers, though it's not actually a new release. Tomodachi Collection: New Life was a Spring 2013 arrival in Japan, and proceeded to accrue some impressive sales and generate buzz in Nintendo's homeland.

Controversy did arise, however, when it emerged that it had become possible for same-sex marriages between male Mii characters, with chatter on Japanese forums suggesting it was even helping sales, though that wasn't definitively proven to be the case. It then emerged that a subsequent patch from Nintendo would not only fix a bug causing problems with saving progress, but also remove the 'glitch' allowing same-sex marriages in the game. It prompted spirited debate online due to the sensitive issues that it raised, and the fact that — glitch or not — same-sex marriage was coming out of the game in favour of heterosexual-only relationships.

Some have wondered whether the localised version will, likewise, be heterosexual marriages only. It looks to be so, while games writer Wesley Copeland has been provided the following statement by Nintendo UK regarding the background of those issues in the Japanese version last year.

Two developments occurred that led to some misunderstanding about this.

First, as a result of a mistake in comprehension of Japanese, some people misinterpreted Japanese reports and fan activity and thought same-sex relationships were possible.

This occurred because they saw Japanese fans posting game screenshots of male and female Mii characters, where female Mii characters were designed and clothed in such a way that they looked male. Since these explanations were made in Japanese by the Japanese fans who posted the images, the Japanese people do not have such a misunderstanding.

Second, a critical bug occurred in the original Japanese version of the game which made it impossible for the player to continue the game.

When Mii characters were imported from a Wii console, or the previous game in the Tomodachi Collection series on Nintendo DS (which was only released in Japan), into the Nintendo 3DS version, it could lead to scrambled Mii data within the Nintendo 3DS version.

This could result in different Miis being randomly assigned to existing in-game relationships, such as already married Mii, or as just one other example, giving the appearance of same-sex relations. Because this bug caused the inability for the player to save the game data and continue the game, we released a patch.

This statement clearly brings attention to the game-disrupting nature of the bug that allowed same-sex Mii characters to be married in-game, explaining the fix. While that makes the actions at the time a little more understandable, it doesn't change the fact that a game with a focus on relationships and marriage does not allow same-sex couples. In that respect, it's still looking like an exceptionally cautious, conservative approach from the development team and its management.

From a business and commercial perspective, purely in numbers and market logic, this may be the correct decision for Nintendo. In the far more important area of representing fully inclusive, modern attitudes, we'd suggest that this remains a disappointing aspect of the game. It's a political and rights issue that Nintendo is avoiding, which will be a decision for which it'll likely draw its share of criticism.

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OmegaStar

#3

OmegaStar said:

Well, the males could get pregnant. That basically means it was a glitch. If Nintendo did this ON PURPOSE, I think they wouldn't've let that happen (Unless Nintendo Logic).

RoomB31

#4

RoomB31 said:

Misconceptions aside, Nintendo should have been all inclusive with this, game, quite disappointed. Will wait and see if its really that good, whether I will choose to support this game or not.

zeldagaymer93

#5

zeldagaymer93 said:

I'm glad they finally explained themselves a little better but it's still not an excuse to leave out same-sex marriage. Just like in real life, if you don't like gay marriage then don't get gay married. In a simulation game like this why would I want to get married to a female if I am gay? I'm not going to buy it. But yes, it's good that they cleared the air of some of those issues.

Zach

#6

Zach said:

It's pretty upsetting that same sex marriages and relationships will not be a part of this game. Definitely reduces my excitement for it.

mystman12

#8

mystman12 said:

Thank goodness. I do NOT want this game to be ruined by anything like this. Thank you Nintendo!

SilverArrow

#9

SilverArrow said:

Except there never was any same-sex marriage.

"...female Mii characters were designed and clothed in such a way that they looked male."

I do agree they should've put it in, but, being rated the way it is, it probably would madden some parents opposed to such things.

ROBLOGNICK

#10

ROBLOGNICK said:

The trouble with this is because Nintendo do not include the option it makes the game feel restrictive. And that's not how this game is meant to be viewed. It's 2014, any person should be able to marry whomever they want.

MarceloKamui

#11

MarceloKamui said:

What's the problem with that? At least on the miiverse I've never had problems talking about my boyfriend and talking about gay people..

sakkenijs

#13

sakkenijs said:

Come on nintendo. Even EA allows same sex marriage in the sims, and look how that game sells. And how exactly would it ruin the game? You don't have to marry someone of the same gender. Many people just want the option to play as themselves in this game.

MeddlingIdiotStaff

#15

MeddlingIdiot said:

I can see why Nintendo opted against including same sex marriage in this game, as it would have be localised by each country/state individually, rather than region in order to avoid potential backlash. Still, it's disappointing it has to be this way in 2014.

Moshugan

#16

Moshugan said:

I think at least partly it's not Nintendo's to decide. Conservative investors might be in the way of inclusiveness.

zeldagaymer93

#17

zeldagaymer93 said:

@DimetriWarrior I know you mean well but I just have to say:

You said since the way it's rated, it's probably a good idea to leave out same-sex marriages? So if a male and female start a life together, get married, and have children that can go into an E rated game. But if a male/male or female/female start a life, get married, and raise children together then it should be rated what? R?

What about the children that have same-sex parents that play this game? What is it telling them? That their parents are glitches? And since some parents aren't mature enough to handle reality then you have to leave gay couples out?

outburst

#18

outburst said:

Same sex marriage causes issues. Nintendo is avoiding that one. Now please don't make it an issue of it's exclusion.

Discipledoctor

#19

Discipledoctor said:

Personally, I think Nintendo made the right choice. As stated earlier, it's not like gay marriage is legal everywhere, so keeping it out of the game means that there's no problem with local laws. On top of that, they'd either just not have to give a couple any children, or set up some way to adopt instead. And of course, this is a Japanese game, so it has no reason to purposely have something to fit America's current political debates.

Transdude1996

#20

Transdude1996 said:

To those people saying "It's 2014, Same Sex Marriage should be univerally allowed",

Not even a majority of the states in the US allow for same sex marriage. Also, in same states, they aren't called same sex marriage, they're called civil unions. The only difference between the two is the name.

mystman12

#22

mystman12 said:

@ROBLOGNICK I do not want to see my Miis have same-sex marriages. I know that may sound stupid to you, but not to me. I'm a Christian, and I believe homosexuality is a sin. And just like I don't want to play games with tons of violence or swearing, I don't want to play a game with any of this either. Anyways, I don't want to start a fight or anything so I'm not going to comment here again.

SuperChutney

#23

SuperChutney said:

@outburst Exclusion is a very valid discussion. The heteronormality makes it pretty clear what Nintendo's official stance is on same-sex relations, whether it is due to their investors or otherwise. It certainly doesn't hurt straight people to put it in, but excluding it does hurt queer folk.

Aviator

#24

Aviator said:

@mystman12 What great logic.

Game has same-sex relationships, therefore I have to see my characters in same-sex relationships.

rjejr

#25

rjejr said:

Since it's a japanese game your Mii should only be allowed to marry a booth babe. Even the females Miis.

Though they would have to change the name to "Trophy Life".

Personally, I'm kind of burned out on the same sex marriage discussion, what I want to know is can your Mii get stoned?

HylianJowiStaff

#27

HylianJowi said:

I've been pretty clear about my stance on this since yesterday: I won't be supporting this game. I'm not as angry about it as I was before, since Nintendo's explanation of the "bug" makes a lot more sense. However, that still doesn't change the fact that I'm engaged to a man in real life and I'd like to be able to see the same sort of progressive action in a game from my favorite developer. Ah well.

NorthLightSuplx

#31

NorthLightSuplx said:

If this was added I would trade everything I own Nintendo and never spend another dime on them just like I did with EA.

ueI

#32

ueI said:

Glad that's cleared up. Although I wasn't expecting THIS, I knew we were missing the full explanation.

lividd3ad

#33

lividd3ad said:

Well then, I'm not buying the game.

I understand the lack of same-sex marriage in games like Fire Emblem: Awakening (where the purpose of marriage was essentially to unlock children, although I don't see the reason for the lack of same-sex S-class relationships).

But Tomodachi Life is a simulation game built around the idea that you can insert your own persona into. Right now, I can't do that, because Nintendo refuse to push the boundaries of the vocal minority in a sadly very heteronormative society.

Whopper744

#34

Whopper744 said:

I personally think its crazy to be mad at the makers of the game for taking tht out since its a glitch. I'm not just saying that because I don't believe in it, and I doubt it has anything to do with whatever their beliefs are. I don't believe in it, but even if I did, being mad at them for fixing something broken seems a little crazy to me. Just my personal thoughts though!

HylianJowiStaff

#35

HylianJowi said:

@lividd3ad Precisely. And the fact of the matter is — my Mii should not have to fall in love with a female Mii. It's absurd in 2014 that these ancient gender roles even have to be considered.

whodatninja

#36

whodatninja said:

What, why??? This is one a glitch which SHOULD be left in!!! (Just like Ascension of the Jackdaw from Assassin's Creed 4)

Whopper744

#37

Whopper744 said:

@mystman12 I'm with you if that makes you feel better as I'm a Christian too. If others choose to respect that or not is up to them.
To everybody, I'm not sure this is the place to argue about this kind of stuff. I know I'm not going to argue with whoever wants to reply because I don't feel it's needed. We probably aren't going to change each others minds, and just because we believe differently, doesn't mean we have to hate each other. This site is about our common like of video games, and as long as we are here, should probably be left at that.

Aviator

#40

Aviator said:

I'm not to crash hot on users talking the way they are about homosexuality. And @HylianJowi is not an admin, he is a writer. He has the same right to respond the way he thinks is appropriate as you do @Joshers744.

Meaty-cheeky

#41

Meaty-cheeky said:

Nintendo made the right choice in fixing the glitch (men getting pregnant is simply weird) next the game is rated E for everyone we can't have little kids being confused with gay pregnant men walking around in their game.

Also if you want gay people in your game just simply change the sex of your mii in the settings, and they will still look the same anyway, so it's not a big deal.

HylianJowiStaff

#44

HylianJowi said:

@Joshers744 I'm very sorry if my opinion offended you, but as a writer — particularly as a writer about the interactive entertainment business and all it encompasses — I feel it is my duty to express my opinions about things like this. It's a shame we don't share the same one, and you are absolutely 100% entitled to your beliefs, but this is a moral issue I will stand my ground on.

PvtOttobot

#45

PvtOttobot said:

It's not a political or rights issue, it's a game so they can do what they want!! You want to talk about political issues? TALK TO THE IDIOTS THAT MADE COD! Or how about Senran Kagura...

Whopper744

#47

Whopper744 said:

Never once have I called someone on here who believes different than me any sort name. I can tell you with confidence that I do not hate someone because they are gay. That would be stupid and difficulty not what a follow of Chirst should be doing. I realize some are like that, but they are doing it wrong. I realize that matter how nice I say it, I'm going to be hated here for believing in the Bible, I just wanted to try to help some out by saying, before you try to preach respecting others beliefs and 'equality', you might want to take a look at yourself first. See you all later

Discipledoctor

#49

Discipledoctor said:

Personally, I don't support gay marriage, although I'm not about to join a crowd or anything. But that's just that. I don't support it, same as I don't support rampant alcoholism or smoking cigarettes (although that last one is more about health than anything.) I don't hate people because of it, I just don't support it.

Call me a bigot if you must, but I'm more concerned about following my own convictions than I am worried about offending people. And I should hope you're the same way.

Whopper744

#50

Whopper744 said:

I will say to @HylianJowi, its alright. I don't believe that you were trying to persoanally attack me or anything. Part of it also was my misunderstanding of your position as someone above mentioned.

TenTen

#51

TenTen said:

Annoyingly, Nintendo will get some backlash either way; different groups will have a problem if they decide to include it or leave it out...

Hyperstar96

#52

Hyperstar96 said:

"It's a political and rights issue that Nintendo is avoiding..."

They're not avoiding it, they're looking at the issue and saying "No, we're not going that way." I'm proud of them.

@Joshers744 Everything you said. I couldn't word it better myself!

PvtOttobot

#54

PvtOttobot said:

ThomasBW84 you know you could be a little less one sided on this 'news', it's not an opinion article. "we'd suggest that this remains a disappointing aspect of the game" "It's a political and rights issue". No it isn't, the actual debate and law (which has gay marriage winning, might I add) that's the issue, not A GAME xD

hiptanaka

#56

hiptanaka said:

@Redxzero ?? You certainly don't sit down and decide your sexuality. If that was the case, why would so many gay people live in shame for years (because of non-acceptance/normativity) before they "come out"?

Pichubby

#57

Pichubby said:

@hiptanaka If one has no religion (or ones religion does not say otherwise) then there is no reason. But many, including Christianity, Islam, and others condone it.

AlexSora89

#58

AlexSora89 said:

To clarify a point here: I'm a Christian as well, but I'm against homophobia. (And this, coming from an Italian, is kind of a rarity.)

And, unknowingly so, Nintendo just sent an anti-homophobic message here: two human beings can happen to love each other, regardless of their gender. All it takes is the heart within.

hiptanaka

#59

hiptanaka said:

@PvtOttobot Well, have you thought of that maybe it's because non-acceptance against something that doesn't hurt anyone is generally worthy of critisism? Acceptance is generally more worthy of praise.

PvtOttobot

#60

PvtOttobot said:

@hiptanaka Acceptance of a sin should NEVER be worthy of praise! You're saying I should be happy when I encourage others to damn themselves?! NO! I love everyone and THAT is why I don't wan't others to sin (e.g. sex out of marriage [marriage is for a MAN and his WIFE]).

HylianJowiStaff

#62

HylianJowi said:

@Pichubby That's absolutely not true. Please stop accusing us of some sort of conspiracy to push our agenda on the rest of the world. You are ABSOLUTELY entitled to your religious beliefs, and I will defend those rights until my dying day. But I will also fight for my own right to marry the man I love, even if your scripture says something else. There's no reason these ideologies can't coexist peacefully if we just agree to disagree and leave each other alone — you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

hiptanaka

#63

hiptanaka said:

I'm simply not religious, so those are all non-reasons to me. But I know how much pain judgement has caused gay people throughout the years. That pain is a solid, practical reason for acceptance.

hiptanaka

#64

hiptanaka said:

And I'm not even saying Nintendo is terribly bad for not having same sex marriage in Tomodachi Life. That's a different and more difficult issue.

FOREST_RANGER

#67

FOREST_RANGER said:

Wowzers, what a dilemma. I wish NintendoLife wouldn't have to report on this so that there's less risk of dividing the community. But then some will think that it just isn't right for this issue to not be covered. Ah well.

argol228

#68

argol228 said:

dress up female mii as male or Male mii as Female (if possible) problem solved. Gender is fairly neutral when it comes to Miis so I don't really see the issue. Male and Female in the game would only be a tag for events and dialogue.

ThomasBW84Admin

#69

ThomasBW84 said:

Many of these comments are already doing so, but if we can maintain common courtesy, that's vital here. Whichever side of the debate you're on, respect for all other users is a requirement, whether you agree with them or not.

Klinny

#70

Klinny said:

I understand Nintendo's reasoning for not including same-sex relationships, but I think I will still pass on the title. Simple because this is a life simulator, and it seems unfair that I would be able to enjoy the game to its fullest while many others would not.

Bluezealand

#71

Bluezealand said:

All the people who praise Nintendo for excluding same sex marriage out of Tomodachi Life and for "still thinking straight"... Are you aware that Birdo is actually a guy and a female character out of Paper Mario was born as a guy?

HylianJowiStaff

#72

HylianJowi said:

@FOREST_RANGER I almost feel the same way. I'm here because I love Nintendo games, and being a writer here has shown me that this fan community has the nicest, most receptive Ninty geeks in all the Internet. I just wish issues like this weren't such a dealbreaker for some people — I want to be noted for my Zelda fanaticism, not for the fact that I happen to have a male fiancee. His gender is irrelevant and so too is the animosity coming from both sides of the argument — we're here to bask in the glory of Nintendo, man.

PvtOttobot

#73

PvtOttobot said:

@Aviator I am in a much smaller minority than people who support same-sex sex and I am expected to constantly prove myself where atheism is never questioned

shadowhive

#74

shadowhive said:

Personally, I'd likely not have gotten this game either way as it's not something that I'd play anywaay.

Samurai_Goroh

#76

Samurai_Goroh said:

I think that if Nintendo included same-sex marriage in the game, it wouldn't be able to get an E/ 3+ rating. And I think that's the only reason they choose not to. They want their game to target the largest audience they can. And children are a very important audience for them.
Nintendo is just a company trying to make the best decision for it's business. In the 90's it meant blood and gore-free games on the SNES to keep it family-friendly. In 2014, it means not being thrown in the middle of a social and political debate it has nothing to do with.
I am not homophobic, by the way. But I am against gay marriage. And ironically, I live in a country where it is already legal for some years. But, also a country where I still can stand for my opinions.

WaLzgiStaff

#77

WaLzgi said:

It's okay to have personal beliefs, but at the same time it's NOT ok to force your beliefs upon someone else, especially lawmakers. This applies to both sides.

Bluezealand

#79

Bluezealand said:

@Joshers744
I didn't even respond directly to you, nor did I ever used the word "hate". Despite this, you judge other people sexuality, something which is none of your business and just because others respond to this in the proper way, doesn't make you a vicitim. You choose your beliefs, a gay person doesn't choose his sexuality. There is a difference.

64supermario

#81

64supermario said:

I'm actually a confirmed Catholic and to be fair my Church never really had a stance on that since half of the church is torn personally by the politics. Personally I say go for it, I think Same Sex marriage is a right people have...however in the game this was actually a game breaking glitch, so I don't think anyone should take offense to it (which I know none of you have I'm just saying in general). Should they make a patch so you could do so? Sure, why not.

I honestly just saw a fun game and plan on buying it. I really do hate politics it brings out the worst in people, but they are worth discussing.

xevious

#82

xevious said:

Wow...I mean wow. This topic has really brought out the true nature of Nintendolife community, hasn't it? I'm truly amazed at all the religious craziness here. It's hard to believe it's 2014.

I don't understand how same sex marriage would be a problem in the game as long as you can choose which sex to marry. Just like in real life, isn't it a matter of personal choice?

I'm disappointed in Nintendo that the chose to stick with this narrow minded and conservative mentality.

PvtOttobot

#83

PvtOttobot said:

@Unca_Lz As I said, I believe science is right and true, it is the attitude of self-proclaimed 'scientists' (athiests) that is that the universe and it's laws (science) are the only, and ultimate thing in existence

WaLzgiStaff

#84

WaLzgi said:

@64supermario: I wish more people would think like that. If you don't like some personal choice, then don't do it. Just don't shove that belief down someone else's throat

Smooching

#85

Smooching said:

Oh dear, this discussion... Better run away while I can, regardless of what my opinion is.
I'm gonna buy the game anyway, like I always do as a gaming fan, which is what this website is about I believe?

Senario

#86

Senario said:

While there is nothing wrong with same sex marriage, Nintendo has long been staying away from controversial issues. And that is totally fine, as a business if people don't buy your product because it is too controversial then you lose money. And that loss is certainly more than the gain. That and I only see male x male relationships mentioned here and not female x female, making it all the more likely it is a glitch.

Jeremy_Fisher

#87

Jeremy_Fisher said:

I wish everyone would just see people as 'people' and not 'black, white, gay, straight, woman, man' etc, We're all people, and people love people. There should be no judgement based on who it is we love, as we have no choice over the matter. I can understand that with the current 'debate' going on, and there should be no debate at all, why Nintendo may not have included same-sex marriage, but until we, as a species, accept everyone for who we are, we can't expect every game to follow suit.

Jaz007

#88

Jaz007 said:

That's a good explanation.
I'm personally glad it won't be in the game, because as a Christian I believe marriage is purely between a man and a woman (and believe all physical relations belong in marriage as well). I also believe that hating someone because they are gay is wrong as well.

PadWarrior

#91

PadWarrior said:

@Joshers744 Amen for sticking up for you beliefs. As a fellow Christian myself, I don't support homosexuality. But do i hate those that do or are gay? No, I still treat them with respect and love. God loves the person hate the sin. And that's what I do. I love them but don't like the lifestyle they chose. But it won't stop me from talking or joking with them.

hiptanaka

#93

hiptanaka said:

@Senario Yeah, they're simply very non-political. This time, though, it's about normativity so by being traditional they are causing controversy. It's hard to make a game (directly or indirectly) about sexuality and not be controversial these days.

PvtOttobot

#94

PvtOttobot said:

@Unca_Lz first point: exactly why we shouldn't be forcing Nintendo to change their games to the 'modern' beliefs!
second point: say what about them? Not sure what negative point I was apparently making?

Tokujo

#95

Tokujo said:

This game doesn't allow me to grow a bread therefor I'm not buying this game. This is year 2030 and I should be able to marry a dog, Lol. Please haters listen to yourself.

World

#98

World said:

Don't see what politics have to do with a game where people worship the Virtual Boy.

"Anyone loves anyone" universe just ups the crazy, and thus the appeal, no?

Anyway, I'm not one to make grand declarations about this or that game but man, if they SPECIFICALLY block gay marriage (as I assume it would have to be programmed out, rather than programmed in - correct me if I'm wrong, people who know about programming) I'm not sure I could buy this in good conscience!

hiptanaka

#99

hiptanaka said:

@PadWarrior Isn't that a dilemma? You don't want to support homosexuality, which I suppose mean you won't support their full rights to get married, adopt children, etc. At the same time, you want to treat them with respect and love, but taking rights away from someone is clearly not respectful and loving.

Redxzero

#100

Redxzero said:

I can accept somebody for being gay (though I will never agree with it). I just will never vote in favor of gay marriage or support a company that does support gay marriage.

Jeremy_Fisher

#101

Jeremy_Fisher said:

@Pichubby The fulcrum of the Christian faith is the golden rule, is it not? 'Treat others as you would wish to be treated, love thy neighbour' and all that? Blocking two men/two women from marrying each other purely because they don't have different genitals is discrimination and the opposite of the golden rule.

I personally believe religion can be a good thing, in that it can foster a sense of community between people, but those who blindly follow writings from thousands of years ago without questioning them are scary. Think about it. It was legal to own slaves hundreds of years ago. As times change and we realise how utterly evil that sort of thing is, we evolve as a species. Those who refuse to accept the beliefs of those who lived thousands of years ago could be antiquated, a bit behind the times, are inherently stupid.

I'm straight, but it's so clear to see that people who love each other have the right to do so, and have the right to commit to one another without some ancient bull**** 'guidelines' telling them it's unlawful to do so. Please, evolve as a human.

Genesaur

#103

Genesaur said:

Aw, man. Not that I plan on getting this game at all; I just know that the controversy would equate to more publicity. And people certainly would flip out - in both good and bad ways - if they started to perceive Nintendo as a supporter of virtua gay love.

PvtOttobot

#104

PvtOttobot said:

@World programmer here: lol, you are wrong, the men can have babies and are classed as women (she, her etc) so the game would be broken left like that, so they had two choices: fix the game so that it acctually makes sense or RANDOMLY add in same sex marriage because the jimmy from da forums said so. See it was just a fix

HylianJowiStaff

#105

HylianJowi said:

The saddest thing about all this is that people are making huge, sweeping assumptions about gay people. We don't "choose" to be gay. We don't want to "push our agenda" on other people. We don't intrinsically hate anyone of faith. Even as you all declare yourselves free of judgment and trying to do the right thing, you refuse to look at basic facts that would otherwise help you live peaceful lives among people of all sexualities. Nobody has ever been hurt by the simple idea of two women kissing or two men standing at the altar. People — like me — have been hurt by the religious declaring my love for my fiancee an "abomination" and on par with bestiality.

travisrusko

#108

travisrusko said:

Not everyone believes in same-sex marriage, including me. I feel this way because of what God teaches about homosexuality in the Bible. I know that people will be unhappy with that opinion, but I need to remind you that this doesn't make me or anyone opposed to same sex marriage homophobic. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean that I hate them (or even dislike them). Am I to assume that everyone who disagrees with me on the same sex marriage issue hates me? I know that is not the case. What ever happened to people being allowed to disagree? Mozilla fires their cofounder and CEO because he supported traditional marriage. He wasn't hating on people that do support it. He was simply living out his right to chose what to support.
NO ONE should hate anyone for their sexuality. I do not condone that and I actually support showing love to everyone. But when did disagreeing with a world view become the same thing as hating the people that hold that world view?
I just wanted to state my view without being hated for it. Does anyone understand that?

ChessboardMan

#109

ChessboardMan said:

Well one half of most of my Yuri ships tends to have Pink Hair anyway, and I assume that still isn't possible…

Jeremy_Fisher

#112

Jeremy_Fisher said:

'The lifestyle they choose' No, homosexual people don't choose to be gay. Just as you don't choose to be straight. Just as you don't choose to like the taste of certain foods. Just as you don't choose to be attracted to person x and not person y.

I don't respect your beliefs PvtOttobot. I respect that you can follow guidelines and be a part of a group. I don't respect that you will blindly follow ancient text, and in doing so discriminate against a large proportion of the population. I can respect anyone that has a religious belief and allows others to have different beliefs, but you are ignorant of other people. You are actively calling people who are gay, who have no choice in that, wrong. It's disgusting.

Uno

#113

Uno said:

Back on topic: it was my most anticipated game of the year but if I'm not able to import my personality into my Mii, it's a dealbreaker. For those who can, enjoy the game.

World

#114

World said:

@PvtOttobot Well, I was just assuming anyway! I know as much about programming as I know about frog biology!

Anyway, that sounds pretty reasonable. Everyone having babies would be pretty hilarious, but I imagine it would make it look like a broken indie game, heh.

HylianJowiStaff

#116

HylianJowi said:

@Jeremy_Fisher I'd just like to point out how insightful your comments are. It's support from people like you that makes my entire day. Your arguments are well-thought-out, respectful, and absolutely on point. Thank you.

noctowl

#118

noctowl said:

@zeldagaymer93 so to be consistent then, you're saying slavery is ok and "if you don't like it just don't buy a Slave." So are you consistent or a hypocrite?

I'm glad it's not in the game. I might just buy it now to support them. EA hasn't seen a penny of mine since they started endorsing gays.

Senario

#119

Senario said:

@hiptanaka Well that is the thing, there are a large amount of people who have no issue with the subject and there are also people who do have the issue. The ones that don't have an issue aren't very likely to be swayed against the game because it fixed something that wasn't even all inclusive. However, some people really will boycott the game based on the presence of it. That type of risk is purely more beneficial to go with the traditional route. Sure, it stirs up controversy but it doesn't make a large group of people so divided that they won't buy the game (assuming it is a good game of course).

PvtOttobot

#120

PvtOttobot said:

@HylianJowi "I personally believe religion can be a good thing" "Please, evolve as a human." Wow... just, wow. How respectful. My whole life's purpose was just a mistake, sorry, I'll just go home and 'evolve'. wow.

Jeremy_Fisher

#121

Jeremy_Fisher said:

@HylianJowi It's my pleasure. I just find it hard to believe that in this day and age people can still have such ignorant views. Despite the overwhelming evidence, the extraordinary amount of 'eyewitness' testimonies from gay people and especially with the advent of the internet, how we can hear so many peoples' stories in such a short amount of time with such ease, that people will still overwrite any of this with the words of a group of men thousands of years ago.

@PvtOttobot I'm not saying your whole life's purpose was just a mistake. I'm saying your attitude towards your fellow man, just because of their sexuality, is appalling. It is true you need to evolve if you genuinely believe everything you read in The Bible. You are showing no respect to homosexual people; thus you must agree you wish to be treated with no respect. 'Treat others the way you wish to be treated'. If you treat others with disrespect you can not bemoan others for treating you similarly.

Fruity_Insanity

#123

Fruity_Insanity said:

This is a Nintendo game.
That's really all you need to know.

They didn't put same-sex marriage in. Maybe it'll hurt sales. Maybe it won't. That's up to Nintendo to decide.

And do you know what people will have to do if they want to play the game? They'll have to deal with it, because no amount of complaining will change Nintendo at this point.

Some of you people are making a mountain out of a molehill, geez.

World

#124

World said:

@PvtOttobot Okay cool, sounds like it'll be fun. I guess I still see it as just a game and not "real-life," but whatever. Being the all-powerful Arbiter of the Universe means I probably won't make any real people anyway.

And even so, life will go on if my virtual dad doesn't/can't marry Shigeru Miyamoto and then I am adopted and get his gold pants/free Mario games unto infinity!

andreoni79

#128

andreoni79 said:

This is how it should work:
1) Select New Game 2) Create your Mii 3) Answer Yes or No when the game asks you if you think that same sex marriage is ok.

TheLegendOfWho

#129

TheLegendOfWho said:

@Unca_Lz Nobody can force them to include such relationships, no; but we are perfectly within our rights to criticise them for failing to do so and not spending our money on it. People are also entirely allowed to voice support for Nintendo's decision (and people are equally allowed to criticise them for showing such support).

Pichubby

#131

Pichubby said:

@Jeremy_Fisher The fulcrum of the Christian faith is, "Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul, and stregnth", and the second is "love thy neighbor as thyself". I will never make fun of someone for being gay, but I do not agree that it is right to do so. Also, on a purely scientific basis, your arguement makes no sense, as we have NEVER seen "evolution" in the form of new DNA being added. IN fact, DNA deteriates in the form of mutations, which remove it. Also, according to Evolution, nothing matters, so you should'nt care about those who have different ideas then you. Also, I have NEVER found any "ancient guildine" in the bible which did not protect those who obeyed them. You're whole argument is flawed.

SheldonRandoms

#132

SheldonRandoms said:

It's a shame that something like this couldn't had been kept in or added in somehow (And by that, I mean kick the glitch part in the leg, and make same sex marriage a thing). This probably goes against my religion, but i'm not using that in my opinion at all, in fact, it has 0 dollars and 0 cents in my wallet about same sex marriage. I would want everyone to do whatever they want, cause if it makes them happy, then let them, it's not harming me or anyone in any way, so let it be, but sadly, that's what something something says somewhere.

All and all, maybe I just don't care (In the good way, oh goodness there's going to be flaws in what i'm saying, but debating now......eh, to much fancy words for me XD)

TheLegendOfWho

#133

TheLegendOfWho said:

I would just like to note that the photo at the top of this article has convinced me to ship Miyamoto and Iwata.

Pichubby

#134

Pichubby said:

@Jeremy_Fisher We do not treat them as "less" than people, we just do not agree with their beleifs. Example, I would'nt agree with Euginity, which is a major Evolutionary beleif, one that Hitler was a major advocate of.

andreoni79

#135

andreoni79 said:

@Uno Obviously, but those who still consider homosexuality as a sin can just answer No and stop ruining not only the real life of others, but also their virtual one!
BTW, I've only seen videos and screenshots involving adult Mii...

TheLegendOfWho

#137

TheLegendOfWho said:

@Pichubby Mutations do not remove evolution. Random mutations occur in the DNA; most aren't helpful and lead to the organism dying before it is capable of passing on the mutated genes. However, helpful mutations (like a longer neck for a giraffe or better camouflage for an insect) help the organism to survive so that it may pass on the genes to more descendants. These in then survive longer and pass on their mutations to more until the mutation permeates most of the gene pool.

Jeremy_Fisher

#138

Jeremy_Fisher said:

@pichubby The entire Bible is an ancient guideline. Think about how much we have evolved culturally. By 'evolve' I don't mean on the DNA level, I mean mentally. How we see things, how we know what is right and what is wrong.

It is not a 'belief' that people are gay. What is it about that that you can't grasp? People who are gay are gay because they are. It is not a belief, it is their truth.

I take it that you believe in evolution then? If that is the case, then you must surely agree that 'Genesis' is wrong and Adam & Eve are not as they were in the Bible. If that is the case, then the Bible is not 100% accurate so you can't claim homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so.

Pichubby

#139

Pichubby said:

@TheLegendOfWho I understand that, but during that time, the animal is not changing into another; it is simply slightly changing. It does not aquire new DNA.

GreenDream

#140

GreenDream said:

Well, this discussion devolved into argument quickly...

In my state of Maryland, I voted "Yes" for a piece of legislation a couple years ago which legalizes gay marriage in this state. HOWEVER, the condition of it being passed was that any institution which disagrees with the ruling reserves the right to refuse service to those who go against their beliefs. There just has to be somewhere in the state that LGBT community can go to.

I believe this ruling is a logical and happy medium: the religious can keep their beliefs to themselves and deny service to those who seek them in privacy, but no one else has to necessarily abide by those same rules.

It is when the fundamentalist mentality of "No one else can adopt this position because I believe it's wrong!" begins to contribute towards suppressing other people that a religious person starts to become a serious problem who must be dealt with.

hiptanaka

#141

hiptanaka said:

I'm interested in knowing if any non-religious person here would have been offended by same sex marriage in the game. Seems to be mostly christians.

GreenDream

#142

GreenDream said:

@hiptanaka I'm offended by people who suppress others due to their beliefs instead of keeping those beliefs to themselves. As long as they keep it to themselves, no problem. Once they start making life difficult for others, that's when those people start becoming a problem. The suppressors are the problem, not the suppressed.

TheLegendOfWho

#143

TheLegendOfWho said:

@Pichubby Being LGBTQ is not a choice, and the fact that we have not found a singular "gay gene" does not change that. People aren't necessarily gay because of genetics but because of other hormonal, developmental and environmental factors which exist beyond their control. Not being genetics does not equal a choice.

Jeremy_Fisher

#144

Jeremy_Fisher said:

@Pichubby

'Being gay is a choice' You. Are. Wrong. You are totally ignorant and to be honest, you seem to be oblivious to the truth, as if you have been indoctrinated someway by your religion. This saddens me.

Humanity is an incomprehensible thing. We prod and probe all the time and we are constantly finding out something new and wonderful about what makes us, us. Being gay is as much a choice as you being straight.

Tate24

#145

Tate24 said:

Am gay and not overly bothered they didn't include Same sex marriages yea it would of be nice not be excluded but its not a major thing for me. Nintendo alway stuck in past so why change now?

2Sang

#146

2Sang said:

I'm surprised that they don't allow same sex marriage in the localization. I would expect a company like nintendo to be more welcoming towards lgbt people. I don't personally care, but I'm sure there will be people who won't be interested in the game if they can't choose a partner that emulates themselves.

User1988

#147

User1988 said:

Oh my god, why bring religion into a game like this? Stop pushing your archaic beliefs down other people's throats. Live and let live.

I'm gay. Like super gay. And I would have loved for same sex marriages to be included in this game. But the fact that you can make a Mii look however you want means I'll just make some male characters look female and switch the pronouns around in my head when I read them. It's not a huge deal, though still disappointing.

hiptanaka

#148

hiptanaka said:

@GreenDream Unsound opinions can do damage even if they are quiet. Through elections, for example. I think it's usually a good idea to bring opinions out in the open, and discuss them. Knowledge and openness towards new ideas is important, and can't come from isolation.

MussakkuLaden

#149

MussakkuLaden said:

"From a business and commercial perspective, purely in numbers and market logic, this may be the correct decision for Nintendo."
I think even this may depend very much on the territory. In some (especially several European countries) where same-sex relationships are commonly accepted and even a proper, legal marriage is allowed since several years already, I cannot see that anyone would find it necessary to protest against such a possibility in any game – not even conservative users who may oppose the idea of homosexual marriage in general.
In fact, in such territories the possibility the marry someone from the same sex in the game may even increase sales and increase the reputation of the game, as despite accepted in other field of art, homosexuality in video games is still extremely rare. I can even see that the rejection of such a feature could lead to severe protests from parts of the audience.

XavandSo

#150

XavandSo said:

@Pichubby
Stupid? Hahahahah! How is it stupid? If someone wants to be homosexual that is ultimately their personal choice. Not yours. Not your religion's. Not society's. I'm not homosexual, but I don't hate on others if they don't agree with my sentiment.

WaLzgiStaff

#151

WaLzgi said:

Alright guys, I'm stomping my foot down here. I ask that the religious discussions stop. I am not choosing one side or the other, but the topic should be on the game itself, not religious choices.

xevious

#154

xevious said:

With all the video games revolving around killing people, same sex marriage is in fact the topic that gets all the religious people fired up. Same sex marriage is about people loving each other.

hiptanaka

#155

hiptanaka said:

I feel Nintendo can't really be blamed for not being openly progressive, but it's a good thing to openly let them know you're disappointed, if you are.

WaLzgiStaff

#157

WaLzgi said:

Just to clarify, I'm not against religion itself, but I'd rather not the comments go toward heated discussions like this. I also realize that religion affects personal choice, and that's fine. Just don't argue about each other's religions. The discussion will stay on this game.

Jeremy_Fisher

#158

Jeremy_Fisher said:

I understand @Unca_Lz but can you see that when someone posts something we're so unbelievably outraged/astounded by, it is very hard to bite our tongues. Especially when it's insulting

andreoni79

#159

andreoni79 said:

@Unca_Lz I'd love not to talk about religion, but the topic is about same sex marriage... And you know, those who are against that, are religious.

GreenDream

#160

GreenDream said:

"If anger be the basis of our activities, the excitement tends to become an end in itself, at the expense of the object to be achieved. Side issues then assume an exaggerated importance, and all gravity of thought and action is lost; such excitement is not an exercise of strength, but a display of weakness."

-Rabindranath Tagore

Suicune

#163

Suicune said:

NintendoLife: This looks like it will be controversial. Better better post a not so neutral article and lol at arguing.

^Every article ever.

Stu13

#164

Stu13 said:

I live in the southern United States, so I have more than enough bigotry and hatred towards homosexuals surrounding me on a daily basis. I absolutely DO NOT need it here on this site as well. With that said, I am not purchasing this game now. It's a life simulator that won't let people simulate their actual lives in a very major way. Kinda defeats the purpose.

hiptanaka

#165

hiptanaka said:

@Suicune It's a pretty interesting topic, though. Family games from a non-political company in conservative Japan facing progressive ideas on sexuality in the west.

GreenDream

#166

GreenDream said:

in b4 Japanese guy marries his Tomodachi "Life Partner" ;P

That reminds me, I saw an anime recently which describes the first androids/"algorithm people" as being highly discriminated against, ESPECIALLY human-android relations. I wonder if such issues will escalate to this level someday?

Marakuto

#167

Marakuto said:

I would be excuted in my country if I went into the public and said I think that homosexual marriage is ok and it is sadly legal to do that (which I don't have a problem with same-gender marriage, considering I'm Catholic.) And I really have little interest in this game because I have AC:NL.

andreoni79

#168

andreoni79 said:

"The pretence of the impartial investigation of truth, with the resolve to make the established religion the result, indeed the measure and control of truth, is intolerable and such a philosophy, tied to the established religion like a dog to a chain, is only the vexatious caricature of the highest and noblest endeavor of mankind." Arthur Schopenhauer

pariah164

#169

pariah164 said:

Once again, people make mountains out of molehills. If you're not okay with it, don't buy the game. It's that easy. Don't come here and spew religious rhetoric. I don't want to hear it. Nobody does. Just shush.

Gobelee

#175

Gobelee said:

Theres only one way to settle this fellas. An open mouthed kissing contest. I'll start.

edhe

#177

edhe said:

The way I see it, if it wasn't in (or supposed to be in) the Japanese version, no-one can complain about it not being in the Western release. What, are Nintendo supposed to rewrite the code to include a gay option? Are Nintendo suddenly "problematic" for not including the gay option in the game?

With that being said, of all the Nintendo games released in recent years, this was the one that really 'ought to have had the gay option in it. You are playing with your own personal avatar, and if you as a male don't personally find women sexually attractive, then I can understand if the person would feel a bit miffed about it - enough to want to pass up on the game.

By the same token, a devout Christian would be well within their rights to pass up the game if it included themes they didn't agree with.

Jeremy_Fisher

#178

Jeremy_Fisher said:

Gay marriage is legal in my country and I'm finally proud that the UK is seeing people as people. Well, more so than previously. We're not all the way there yet.

SilverArrow

#179

SilverArrow said:

@zeldagaymer93
I keep forgetting Sims. ^_^; But I do mean it when I say that parents most likely DON'T want their kids being exposed to that and it's undoubtedly the parents paying for the games for smaller children. It's their own problem if they find same-sex relationships 'unethical'. I for one (and I bet a lot of people here agree) don't really care if it was put in. It IS a simulation game and it IS to a point simulating reality. Some people can't handle that same-sex is reality. Like I said, that's their problem.

AlexSora89

#180

AlexSora89 said:

@Muzikant:

Do you know about the wedding in Super Mario RPG for the SNES? You know that Bowser can kiss Mario during that event, right?

WaLzgiStaff

#181

WaLzgi said:

Okay everyone, I am through cleaning up. I want to clarify that it is okay to have religious beliefs, but this is not really the place to have religious debates. If you are against something because of your religion, that's fine. But there will be no more discussions on the religion itself. This also includes any discussion about evolution vs. creation or religion vs. science (I also removed my own discussion on this).

xevious

#182

xevious said:

I believe in The Evil Alien Lord XENU. Lord Xenu says it's ok to be homo. So there.

Faustek

#183

Faustek said:

Just for my own satisfaction.

Why was I censored when I used the same logic from the same people bashing others rights to remind them of the true word but they go free with their ignorant hate still being displayed?

WaLzgiStaff

#184

WaLzgi said:

Guys, the topic is on Nintendo and Tomodachi Life and whether or not you will support the game. Keep discussions related only to these topics.

Ernest_The_Crab

#185

Ernest_The_Crab said:

@Aviator Except the game never had same sex marriage. Read the article carefully. They were female characters dressed to look like males.

This doesn't change the fact that it is a "little" backwards to not include it in the game in the first place. However, you don't want to misinterpret the facts.

The game seems interesting enough so maybe I'll support it but then again I'm not so fond of sim type games. I guess I'll need to see a couple of reviews first.

andreoni79

#187

andreoni79 said:

Finally, let's start talking about the game now. My niece is 8 years old: is it correct to let her play a game about relationships and having kids? I saw only adult Miis in videos and screenshots...

DualWielding

#191

DualWielding said:

lets be honest, Nintendo were never be gonna be on front of equal portrayal in video games.....they think their audience is homophobic parents

readyletsgo

#192

readyletsgo said:

@Redxzero The Q stands for Queer, as a gay man myself i dont understand the Queer part, I think its there for the younger more outgoing gay people in each community I guess. I dont really think about it, but it is deffinaitly not a Question mark.

On this game, Nintendo will lose a lot of sales since they took the glitch out for the western release. Most likely because of the American market, not all of it, a small part of that market tend to kick up a stink about stuff like this and are very loud.

Should have taken out the pregnant part only, its really not a big deal either way I guess but, now we are all reminded of the glitch from last year so its back on topic.

On that note, i am going to leave this story for all the 'christians' to argue over something that has NOTHING to do with them at all.

rumple88

#194

rumple88 said:

Let's just ignore everything outside of hetrosexual partnerships? This isn't the answer Nintendo. There could have been a creative way to work around this and still give a nod to those of us who aren't so hetronormative. Probably not going to get this game now.

Bluezealand

#195

Bluezealand said:

I will still buy Tomodachi Life, but I'm not sure, if I'll visit this site in the future. Very disappointing.

If you see a problem with the mods, feel free to let us know using the Contact Form and the community administrator will help you with any issues -Lz

andreoni79

#197

andreoni79 said:

@hiptanaka In Sims my niece created her family, but she plays as "the kid". In this game you can only play as the adult... just curious about Mii interactions. I'm sure she'll have no problems and she'll laugh at all the weird situations as only a kid can do!

Luna-Harmony

#198

Luna-Harmony said:

And then people had issues with this and nintendo worried and reversed and game. What a shame can't people be free todo what they like the year is 2014.

hiptanaka

#199

hiptanaka said:

@andreoni79 In my experience, kids have no problems playing adults. In fact, they mostly seem to prefer it. Kids like to emulate adults, not other kids.

WaLzgiStaff

#201

WaLzgi said:

@andreoni79 In all honesty, I don't see any problem with her playing this game. A lot of children's fiction use relationships and many children already understand love and childbirth.

unrandomsam

#202

unrandomsam said:

I think Nintendo should allow it. The easiest time to stop people becoming homophobic is when they are children. (Even though it doesn't affect me and it does annoy me people going on about it). I hope they teach what has been decided in schools so it becomes a none issue.

Pichubby

#203

Pichubby said:

Also, I now apologize to all of those I have offended. And to all those who made fun of me I forgive you.

hiptanaka

#204

hiptanaka said:

@andreoni79 What Unca said. And also, kids are (usually) part of a real family, so they should already understand relationships between parents, and such? I don't see how it could be harmful.

andreoni79

#206

andreoni79 said:

@Unca_Lz I'm 100% sure of it. I'm just wondering about how much the game uses these relationships...
@hiptanaka I work with kids 6-14 and I know wheel what are you talking about! :)
BTW, I'm not worried at all, maybe my bad english made me sound too apprehensive...

pariah164

#209

pariah164 said:

Is Nintendo a bit silly for not having same-sex couples an option in this game? Yes.

Is it worth raking them over the coals for? No.

Everyone complaining? Shut up. Everyone praising the decision? Shut up. This kind of bickering does nobody any good.

WaLzgiStaff

#212

WaLzgi said:

@andreoni79 Children are capable of understanding "adult" concepts and I find it wiser for them to learn about it from people they trust (i.e. family) rather than from less-trusted sources

birthgirth

#214

birthgirth said:

Regardless of what they chose to do with this, I will be playing the game because it looks completely whack and fun.

Kalmaro

#215

Kalmaro said:

This game looks fun!

Also, no, this game doesn't need same sex marriage at all. No game does really

rumple88

#216

rumple88 said:

@pariah164 It's dialogue about an issue that many are effected by irl and yes it has touched a nerve, rightfully so. Your not helping the matter by telling people to shut up.

andreoni79

#218

andreoni79 said:

@Unca_Lz You're right and, as anyone who is daily related with young kids can testify, we adults can be sometimes a bit too embarassed and clumsy talking about certain arguments while the kids just laugh about that...
(did I sound so worried? :))

Redxzero

#219

Redxzero said:

@FubumblR
According to dictionary.com

LGBTQ
adjective
pertaining to lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders, and queers (and/or those questioning their sexual or gender orientation)

I thought queer was offensive/slur?

According to dictionary.com

queer- Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
homosexual.
effeminate; unmanly.

outburst

#220

outburst said:

200 comments later and it's still going circles.

Nintendo didn't intend or did not actually added same sex marriage in this game. Do not hate them for fixing the glitch.

I hope some game company actually develop games intended for gays so everybody's happy.

Let's also not resort to name calling here -Lz

Senario

#222

Senario said:

@hiptanaka Well that is very close to assuming Japanese culture stereotypes that for come reason they are super "Traditional" when in reality, most of the young generation are definitely not.

That said, it really doesn't seem that it was an intended feature from the start. Neither Japanese nor western games make a point of being progressive (regardless of if that is a good or bad thing). And things like this are simply stirring the pot that doesn't need to be stirred in video games of all things.

Action51

#223

Action51 said:

Well:

....all I know is that Nintendo is insensitive and hateful and wrong for not including same sex couples!

...and if they do choose to include them, they are wrong for forcing their agenda down our throats and mocking traditional values.

signed,
The Internet.

Dreamcaster-X

#224

Dreamcaster-X said:

I support gay marriage & live in a state that supports it as well but Nintendo is damned if they do & damned if they don't on this issue.
If they do include it, idiot groups like FOX news will run rampant stories about how Nintendo is dooming children with their "gay agenda" by completely manipulating & twisting the facts to their views & Nintendo just simply doesn't want to deal with this considering their heritage with games that are usually family safe. Honestly I'm even surprised the game is getting released here due to the inevitable questions that this issue as well as the pregnancy stuff could potentially raise.

Faustek

#225

Faustek said:

@pariah164 you know they told me the same thing 30 years ago when I was just a person.
Was a small thing, just a word nothing to get upset about.
They told my SO the same thing 15 years later.
And even today about women.
It's just women, who cares? No big thing, everyone go back to work and provide for your woman, they don't need any money.

And we haven't made as much progress as i wish we did.

Bluezealand

#226

Bluezealand said:

@Redxzero

LGBTQ
adjective
pertaining to lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders, and queers (and/or those questioning their [own!] sexual or gender orientation)

FubumblR

#228

FubumblR said:

@readyletsgo

The queer aspect is a movement that kinda if came out of an expansion of feminist theory. It's more about the questioning of the roles in society of a binary gendered system. Moreover, those who identify as queer see gender as a continuum and the assignment of gender (which is a function of nuture, not nature) as a limiter to one's identity.

I hope I got that right, been awhile since I studied queer theory in lit classes.

Bluezealand

#230

Bluezealand said:

@Redxzero

pertaining to lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders, and queers (and/or those questioning their sexual or gender orientation).

It's pretty clear the 'Q' in LGBTQ is referring to 'queers' and not 'questioning'.

FubumblR

#231

FubumblR said:

@Redxzero

That is one horrible use of the word, yes. But it can also describe those who identify as 'gender queer.' It is also the name of an entire field of literary/media/sociological studies.

FubumblR

#232

FubumblR said:

@Bluezealand

I agree with you, but I think the editors of dictionary.com included that paranthetical to be more culturally inclusive. The problem I have is the use of the 'and/or.' There's really no 'or.'

brucelebnd

#235

brucelebnd said:

who the hell cares, it's a video game, what's important is whether it's good or not. it's not nintendo's (a JAPANESE company) responsibility to champion social issues in other countries.

what will happen if people become too offended is that Nintendo will choose not to localize Japanese games because they'll fear upsetting delicate western tastes.

less quality games for us because some people have to be jerks about everything

hiptanaka

#236

hiptanaka said:

@Senario That's not what I'm assuming, though. I understand there are non-traditional people in Japan, but I also know Japan is structurally one of the least gender equal industrial countries in the world, and that many of their big companies are quite conservative.

As for stirring pots, I think discussing problematic aspects of anything is usually a good idea. That doesn't mean condemning it or not enjoying it despite its problems.

Smitherenez

#237

Smitherenez said:

I find it very interesting to read all these different opinions on gay marriage. I myself am from the Netherlands, and gay marriage is legal here. I think that is great for them! If there is someone you love, you should be able to marry him or her. I have two friends who are gay and they are great people. They can't do much about it, because they are who they are. That does not make them right or wrong. They are normal people in my eyes. I am a christian (because my parents and grandparents wanted me to be one), but I don't believe in god or anything that has to do with it. I believe that everyone is entitled to believe what he or she wants, but must also respect the opinions of others. I do think this is a letdown on Nintendo's part, but marketing wise it makes sense.

HopeNForever

#238

HopeNForever said:

People seem to forget this game is made for the sake of spreading innocent Nintendo humour, and is not to be taken as a serious dating sim and whatnot.

Besides, why does Nintendo need to break face with what really makes this game attractive to its players? I wish people on Nintendo Life would just continue playing the games they love without thinking about the political inconsistencies of human societies, as it leads to nothing but so much heartache.

FubumblR

#239

FubumblR said:

@Redxzero

Sorry, I'm not disagreeing with you, we're both correct here. However, I do disagree with the editors of dictionary.com's use of 'and/or.' There really isn't an 'or' functioning here.

Faustek

#241

Faustek said:

@Pichubby so you put the word of man above the word of Jesus? Because Jesus never said anything about it being wrong. In fact he told us all not to judge or condemn each other.

SkywardLink98

#242

SkywardLink98 said:

I don't really have strong feelings one way or another with this topic so it won't have any affect on my decision to purchase it. I feel bad for the people who were looking forward to that option in the game, though on the other hand I can understand why Nintendo wants to avoid getting involved in this issue (though that's pretty hard since straight people can date and get married in the game, so I guess they're doing a pretty terrible job of it).

theblackdragonAdmin

#243

theblackdragon said:

Guys, we're done with the attacks on one another. Please keep your comments focused on the article at hand and not on each other. If you can't play nice regardless what you believe, pro or against same-sex relationships, you will wind up banned. If you're just here to troll, you will wind up banned. Please tread carefully.

FubumblR

#244

FubumblR said:

@HopeNForever

This is one aspect where I disagree. Any form of entertainment media has an effect (whether consciously or unconsciously) on the society where it exists. Yes, such games are meant to be fun, but they also impact modes of thought in a butterfly effect sort of way.

To me, it's like saying we shouldn't examine children's books or cartoons because, 'oh, they're just meant to be harmless fun.'

Just saying as members of society it's our duty to examine the cultural markers and normative influence that any media instills on those who imbibe in them.

Windy

#245

Windy said:

Who cares the game is going to be great Either way. Come on that Nintendo Direct was Awesome!

WaLzgiStaff

#246

WaLzgi said:

I think it's fine for someone to not buy this game if it lacks something they want. I do not agree with someone not buying it because the option was available though (as in you're not forced in any way to do it).

FubumblR

#247

FubumblR said:

@Bluezealand

I can understand your position, honestly. But, fostering disrespect never begets respect. You're just fanning flames, so please try to be the better human being. Such an attitude only confirms your opponent's (albeit limited) beliefs. Hate is real and pervasive in our society, no argument here, but it's never good to throw gasoline on a house's conflagration.

CountEkkiM

#248

CountEkkiM said:

Im proud of you Nintendo! This was the glitch! People think about this: in some countrys you will be killed if you admit that you are gay!

navonod18

#249

navonod18 said:

I'm not really getting into the "right or wrong" debate because people are going to believe what they want to believe, and debates do nothing but make sides hate each other more, as they continue believing what they were believing before. But I must ask. Why is everyone so shocked by this? Nintendo's games have generally been "straight based" games. Are you going to stop playing pokemon because a female pokemon can't use attract on another female? Are you going to stop playing Zelda because they won't make Zelda a guy for one game? Are you going to stop playing Mario because of princess peach? Or how about the "straight marriages only" in Fire Emblem? I'm not saying you can't be upset about this game, I'm just saying if you are, then there are plenty of other games to be upset about.

Tokujo

#250

Tokujo said:

I will support this game. Go Nintendo!
That sort of joke isn't necessary. Please stop trolling — TBD

Bluezealand

#251

Bluezealand said:

@FubumblR
I know that that would be the sensible way to handle such conversations. The problem is, that this is a very personal matter for me and since I'm not perfect, I tend to get a little passionate if I feel attacked for being the way I am. People need to understand, that you don't choose to be gay.

@CountEkkiM
I don't even know how to properly react to this.

rumple88

#252

rumple88 said:

@navonod18 Not shocked or suprised but still disappointed that a wacky life simulator game is still sticking to the same old heteronormative BS.

theblackdragonAdmin

#253

theblackdragon said:

@navonod18: It would be one thing if this had been something that had never had it available before, but... it did. same-sex relationships were shown as present, we had them dangled in front of our noses and now it's all 'whoops, just a glitch, sorry 'bout that folks' and that's it, over and done with, no consideration for those who would have gladly taken that option for what it was and ran with it full tilt. it hurts people who are already being told from day one by society that they're a 'glitch', an 'error', or a 'mistake' of some sort, it's a kick while they're already down.

I'm quite unhappy about this decision to not have it as an option myself. it would've made this a day-one purchase, time-sink or not, but now, my interest is gone. I'm sure it'll be a moneymaker for Nintendo like other time-sink sorts of games, but none of that money will be mine.

Bluezealand

#254

Bluezealand said:

@navonod18 This game is about populating a whole island with your miis and the miis of your family and friends. The Miis you use interact with each other and form relationships, become friends or lovers. Do you really not see the difference between this game and Pokémon, Zelda or Mario, where you play as other, fictional characters?

Pod

#255

Pod said:

They're not NOT allowing same sex relationships. They're just not facilitating it. There's a pretty huge difference.

theexxs

#256

theexxs said:

Honestly I think they should have added a "same-relationship pack" as a Free DLC, so those who feel uncomfortable won't have to deal with it on the game, and people who would love to have that option, actually have it.

unrandomsam

#257

unrandomsam said:

@theexxs And hide it behind parental controls ? - The thing is the whole thing should be a total none issue and it won't be until it is just included by default in every situation.

FubumblR

#258

FubumblR said:

@Bluezealand

I feel you, man! Often I feel the logic I use in these debates is lost in a sea of irrationality. It's so frustrating when someone won't even listen to the words you utter because they're too busy orbiting you with their circular reasoning!

Meaty-cheeky

#260

Meaty-cheeky said:

Nintendo Life friends, we all have a common interest in Nintendo games and video games in general, we should not be fighting each other, arguments aren't solved by anger. It's only a game, we should not be hating each other for differences in opinion, we are on the internet for crying out loud.

1 John 4:7-8, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

ClockworkMario

#262

ClockworkMario said:

Nintendo sure ended up in a pickle. I assume they originally intended to take no stance to the subject, but were, in a way, forced to because of the glitch. Either way they went from there was sure to irritate somebody. Since I have nothing against gay marriages I understand Nintendo's decision either way.

Wasn't gonna buy it anyway, 'cause these types of games don't interest me.

navonod18

#263

navonod18 said:

@Bluezealand I think you're missing my point... regardless of what type of game it is it's still made by NINTENDO. And Nintendo rarely if ever includes homosexual relationships in their games. So I'm saying if you're going to have an issue, it should be with Nintendo not just this game. Yes I agree that it is not abnormal to see same sex activities in a life simulator game (such as the sims), but this isn't just a life simulator game. It's a life simulator game made by NINTENDO. What were you expecting?

maC_N_Cheezer

#264

maC_N_Cheezer said:

Does anyone else besides me just not care about any of this crap?
It's just a game created by someone who is not you. They don't have to do ANYTHING they don't want to. Doesn't matter if it's 2014 or 1985, they can do whatever they want with their game. God people just complain about anything nowadays.

midnafanboy

#266

midnafanboy said:

@Lord_Ghirahim I really dont care about this is a game, not a thing people should bring there religion beliefs in. The reason i said that i read half these people comments ,and they brought there beliefs for no reason and not actually caring about the game itself.

Lalivero

#267

Lalivero said:

@Redxzero The questioning term is more to allow those to explore should different feelings be brought to light and not feel like they have to hide or toss them aside just because you are told they are wrong, if you ask me.

Think about it; In society, generally, we are still brought up to pursue the opposite gender from really young years. When you throw in the fact that people against lgbtq will teach said kids that it is wrong as well, when the kids' true feelings are being brought to light, etc. that can cause them to do everything possible to suppress those feelings and that can be a very damaging thing to bottle up. As an example, take note how some lgbt people end up in 'false' straight relationships/marriages and how it just eats away at them more and more everyday, over possibly years, about living such a huge lie. In the end, it'll just hurt them and their supposed loved ones, greatly.

Questioning is more about figuring out where you really are should signs point that you need to. It's about having the freedom to do so rather than being forced to feel like you can't.

@navonod18 As stated before, there is a difference between a game like this and others you listed.

Both Mario and Zelda games, you're playing through Mario and Link's eyes, respectively, not yours.

As for Pokémon, it is more of a reflection of yourself than the above but you aren't pursuing relationships or anything so there's not much to get riled up over, in regards to this at least. The attraction move is probably more for the challenge/competitive aspect than anything(as in, being able to attract all would defeat the purpose) and it's applying to the Pokémon, not you. Have you seen the anime though(at least earlier seasons)? There have been some...questionable characters.

AkinaChan

#268

AkinaChan said:

Lol that picture XD I think they should of made it an option, though there are a lot of misconceptions that homosexual relationships are more adult or explicit than hetero ones in the west. At least, that's what I've noticed as they show straight couples explicitly on television, but you rarely see gay couples that way in media. I think it's rediculous, but because of that, the rating of the game could be up for debate in the western releases because of something silly like that. That's just a thought I had... I'm very open minded and would love if this option was brought into Tomodachi Life, but it seems unlikely :< I, myself am straight, but that doesn't mean I'm narrow.

rumple88

#269

rumple88 said:

@midnafanboy It's a life simulator that removed aspects of my life style, yes I care. Why? Because I think the game looks incredible and was really excited about it. It's ok to feel things and talk about it but maybe that's to much for some people which is also ok. Hope they fix this because I won't be buying until then.

midnafanboy

#270

midnafanboy said:

Well its over finally god damn you guys went all out about this,they didi't want to put it in cause there weren't going to win. If they choose to let gay marriage in the game people who hate gays will hate them. If they are not people will accuse them of being homophobic. That's sad to see this and its even more sadder to seeing you guys fight over this.

Redxzero

#271

Redxzero said:

@Chriiis
"The questioning term is more to allow those to explore should different feelings be brought to light"
If one is "born that way" why does anything need to be brought to light?

navonod18

#272

navonod18 said:

@theblackdragon I understand what you're saying, but I don't think Nintendo was trying to insult the LGBT community with words like "glitch" and "error". Those words were chosen because that's exactly what it was. Usually when a player is able to do something in a game that the developer never intended, it IS a glitch. Now whether or not you think they're lying about it being a "glitch" is left up to personal opinion. But as I stated before, Nintendo rarely if ever intentionally includes homosexual lifestyles into their games. This is nothing new.

rumple88

#273

rumple88 said:

@Redxzero Marginalized groups deserve to be in more games especially life sims like this one. Ignoring said groups contributes to a lack of dialogue and understanding of there experiences irl.

K-Gamer

#275

K-Gamer said:

I guess that's not realistic but I'm still glad that a creepy feature is not in this game. Sorry, just my opinion.

Lalivero

#278

Lalivero said:

@Redxzero I'm talking about internally. While you are indeed born the way you are, some people's feelings haven't quite...pushed their way out, you can say(?) until later.

At the same time, a lot of people are brought up to believe such things are wrong, from a young age, therefore tend to be taught to suppress them as well. As they develop and get stronger over time, that is what I mean as well about it being brought to light. As an example, a guy who is actually bisexual could be taught to believe liking other guys is wrong and will try to force himself to only have interest in girls and live as such(and believe he's straight). When his feelings develop further and his attraction to guys as well becomes more obvious, now he is caught in a crossroad as to what is true and what is not(is it just a part of who he is making itself known or some 'evil' working on him?).

That is questioning, because he is put in a situation to where he may not (at first) understand what is going on.

Kid_A

#279

Kid_A said:

Dang, that seems like a big oversight. Still seems like an interesting game, but it's a bummer that it's so exclusionary. Nintendo is actually a typically progressive company with their characters/games.

EDIT: Just read some of these comments. Did I somehow get transported to an IGN comment section?

Theober555

#280

Theober555 said:

I think it's fair enough that if it was a glitch in the original game that it was taken out because it prevent saving, but it would have been nice to see the option of same-sex marriage in the game. I'm still interested in this game, but I would be lying if I said the fact that same-sex marriage is not in the game hasn't disappointed me, it jut shouldn't be an issue in the modern day. Perhaps it could be released as an optional patch for the game in countries (such as mine) where same-sex marriage is legal?

Melkac

#282

Melkac said:

I thought including any sort of gay...anything in an E-rated game would increase its rating? It is unfortunate, sure, but I'm pretty sure it would've hurt the game more than anything...
Or maybe Fox News would've gone full silly and "informed" about it, which would lead to increased sales (cough mass effect cough)

FubumblR

#283

FubumblR said:

Please keep your comments focused on the topic at hand, and not on attacking other users. If you feel a given user is not worth the effort of a reply, then don't bother entertaining them — TBD

WoottWinds

#284

WoottWinds said:

@Jeremy_Fisher "I wish everyone would just see people as 'people' and not 'black, white, gay, straight, woman, man' etc, We're all people, and people love people. There should be no judgement based on who it is we love, as we have no choice over the matter."

Just felt like this needed to be reiterated, you worded it beautifully. Personal thanks to @Jeremy_Fisher @HylianJowi @hiptanaka @Bluezealand and many others for contributing to this post positively and intellectually, you guys have said your piece much more eloquently and level-headed than anything I could've typed out.

I'm of a mind that love is love and people are people, I hate labels in general, and while I've only ever been attracted to women in my life, I'd have no issue if I met a man who made me feel the same way. Everyone is different, and it baffles me that something as wonderful as loving and caring for another human-being is seen as "wrong" or "sinful" if it's not a+b. So many better things in the world to get bent out of shape over besides two men or two women kissing eachother and/or having loving relationships.

On the topic of the actual game, while I'm extremely disappointed Nintendo doesn't have an option for same-sex marriage/relationships (especially since New Leaf took a few steps towards being progressive about gender identity and such), I'll still be buying it for both my girlfriend and I just because it looks like fun, I'm interested to see how everything works, and I really dig the quirky vibe. Nintendo's presentation on it pretty much auto-sold me honestly. Personally, it will fail as being a life-simulator without same-sex relationships as most of my best friends are gay, but I will be sure to voice my disappointment to Nintendo directly (and politely) through email, Club Nintendo surveys, and whatever alternative ways I can find to do so.

Barbiegurl777

#285

Barbiegurl777 said:

I agree with Nintendo on leaving that out of the game. It also give's me a peice of mind. That isn't going to be in the game when i download it June 6th from the 3ds e-shop. :)

Happy Gaming! (^_^)

Dauntless

#286

Dauntless said:

Since Nintendo region locks freakin everything why not make a version with the option for country's where it is legal? That would be a good use for the freakin region lock.

FubumblR

#287

FubumblR said:

While this is a complex issue in real life, it becomes practically simple in a sim game like this:

If you don't want to get 'gay married' in the the game, the by all means don't; no one is forcing you.

However, the removal of such an option as explained by @theblackdragon limits the authenticity of a type of game genre that's supposed to imitate real life as best it can.

Say what you will, but games do not exist in a vacuum separate from society like some of you seem to wish to believe.

Much like (OH! SHOCKER!) there are millions of LGBTQ folk all over the world, so let's just pretend they don't exist or have meaningful, healthy, loving relationships, either. :P

TrueWiiMaster

#288

TrueWiiMaster said:

"In that respect, it's still looking like an exceptionally cautious, conservative approach from the development team and its management."
I think "exceptionally" is too strong a word. While Nintendo is avoiding a somewhat volatile topic, it's more the norm for game developers than a strange or unique occurrence from Nintendo. That said, I wouldn't say it was the wrong choice. The majority of people either don't want the "feature" or don't care either way, and it would attract attention to Nintendo in an area they probably don't want attention. I want Nintendo to stay out of politics/religion.

Besides, if you really want to marry someone of the same gender, you can just make a Mii of the opposite gender that looks like your gender, or make your own Mii the other gender but look like yourself. It's not a difficult workaround for those that really want it.

As for myself, the Nintendo Direct got me interested in this game, and I'm more likely to get it knowing that men won't be hitting on me in game (if that even happens in this game; I still know little about it). I'd also prefer not to have the option to date male Mii's popping up when I talk to them.

Redxzero

#289

Redxzero said:

@Chriiis
I read the whole post I just did not see any reason to respond to the rest of it because your opening sentence was
"The questioning term is more to allow those to explore SHOULD different feelings be brought to light"
If you are "born that way" there is no SHOULD.

Lalivero

#291

Lalivero said:

@Redxzero Actually, if you read what I posted, you'd see I went further to clarify what I meant by that. I gave reasons why such as people's feelings being held back or not pushing out for various reasons(being taught they are wrong and to force them out of your mind, suppress them, etc.). It is internal conflict that is usually not brought up because of said situations and will lead to people trying to trick themselves in believing they are something they are not, until the feelings develop further and enough to where they realize that simply shoo-ing them away will solve nothing.

The 'should' is meant for those in a situation like I described; for many, they are that way from the start but have it crammed down their throat that they are 'abominations' otherwise so will try to fight it and make it go away, not realizing that it's not really going anywhere.

Once again sigh, the fact that you(as you even pointed out yourself) are just nitpicking one thing out and judging the rest of my post off of that shows that you honestly aren't wanting to discuss this reasonably.

theblackdragonAdmin

#293

theblackdragon said:

@Redxzero: User Chriiis has more than explained the problems with people who are born not-straight growing up in a society that tells them they are straight from the get-go. It's like left-handed people being forced to use their right hands for everything back in the day — some adapt, some feel wrong but go with it anyway, and others fight it as best they can until they find some level of acceptance they can live with. Please consider @Chriiis' words carefully, and re-read them if you have any further questions, and if you still choose to not accept these answers to you for whatever reason, I ask that you let it drop gracefully since this line of discussion has nothing to do with the article at hand. Thanks in advance!

Buob

#294

Buob said:

@TrueWiiMaster I can answer this for you; your Mii will ask you to be friends with another Mii in the apartment complex. If you say yes, they'll go, become friends, and then hang out. The more they hang out, the better friends they'll be. Eventually, your character will say "I love this Mii, can I ask her out?" If you say yes, he'll go ask her out. She can say no, but if she says yes, they'll date. After they date for a while, they'll either break up or get married.

When they get married, They get their own house, but still have their own rooms in the complex. After a while, you'll get a call saying "can you come here?" They'll have a baby in their arms and you can choose its gender and name (or have the game generate one for you) (this means that you see no pregnant Miis). The child will grow up and take a spot in the apartment complex or will become an explorer via streetpass.

And, for some strange reason, they can get divorced too.

But yeah, that's the gist of the whole dating/marriage thing.

element187

#295

element187 said:

@midnafanboy uhh, it was a glitch and never intended to be in the game in the first place. There is no outside forces threatening them about it.

Like all glitches and software bugs, when they are discovered by the developer they fix it..... Unless your EA or Ubisoft, then the glitches/bugs stay for eternity.

Lalivero

#296

Lalivero said:

@Redxzero My sentence was not contradictory as that is not what I meant by 'different'. By different, I mean that we pretty much live in a time where we are told that we are straight from the get-go(thanks TBD) and this can cause us to grow up and to try to just brush off the development of other feelings(ex: attraction towards same gender), not realizing that those same feelings could possibly be our real and intentional feelings.

When they further develop and really start trying to make it obvious where you are with them, that big slap in the face later could make it seem like a different 'where'd this crap come from' sort of thing. They were always there but you grew up thinking they weren't/shouldn't be.

Looks like we'll just have to go our separate ways on this, as it is getting pretty off topic.

Back on topic, I'll probably still read reviews to see how things pan out.

camerica1618

#298

camerica1618 said:

@Jeremy_Fisher Have you ever read through the Bible? Some of your claims about it are false.

I'd like to say that I am definitely grateful that this was taken out. I don't think I'd be able to play a game that consistently supports sin. I find it very hard to be in the presence of sin, and I'm very satisfied that Nintendo has decided to not take this path.

One-Winged-Pit

#299

One-Winged-Pit said:

The homophobia! It is everywhere! Get it away! Can people just stop trying to make everyone else copy what they do with their genitalia?

camerica1618

#300

camerica1618 said:

@Jeremy_Fisher Do you have some sort of proof that homosexuality isn't a choice? If it isn't a choice than that must mean that they were born with it. But science has not yet proven that there are gay genes. Also, if people really are born with it than why can't men and men or women and women able to reproduce? I'm not trying to prove you wrong, but I'm extremely curious where you're getting this from because I certainly haven't seen any evidence that proves that.

Volendral

#303

Volendral said:

Just reading through many of these comments gives me such a heavy heart. Can't people just be happy that others can be happy, even if it means those other people are doing things that they, themselves, would never do? I am reading so much hate and outrage from people, all over what others do in their own privacy.

Who would it really hurt if this game allowed for same-sex coupling? It would just be a feature that would be there, and if you wouldn't want to do it don't do it. It wouldn't be something that is shoved down your throat (unlike heterosexuality is constantly doing in the majority of games).

I wish Nintendo would have included same-sex couples. I would have gotten the game then. I would have loved to have my life reflected like that in the game.

AshFoxX

#306

AshFoxX said:

What exactly is keeping people from making yourself, then your same sex partner as the opposite sex with a same-sex haircut and deep/high voice? The article even said you could technically do this, shouldn't be all that difficult. All they patched was the Mii transfer that could potentially put same-sex genders in a relationship and break the game.

I just hope the game doesn't try to make my sister hook up with me like Tomodachi Collection did >_> I don't really care one way or the other about the same sex thing, a toggle perhaps would be nice on the Mii's you make in-game on 'sexual orientation' just to give a simple change of interest in romantic encounters. (could be fun watching a gay Mii hit on my straight Mii XD)

Zergling

#307

Zergling said:

@unrandomsam
"So you are without sin ? "
No he is without blatant sin

"and you also cannot be around it ?
No he prefers not to be around it.

He is a Christian there is no other choice.

camerica1618

#311

camerica1618 said:

@unrandomsam I'm sorry. In no way did I mean to apply that I am without sin.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. -Romans 3:23

I am full of sin, and I am incredibly ashamed of it. However, keeping myself in the presence of sin will only lead me to be accustomed to it. Therefore, I choose not to be near it when I can.

brandonbwii

#312

brandonbwii said:

I hate this lose-lose situation with Nintendo. I don't care to say how I feel about the topic but I know of some people among my friends who wouldn't buy it if it had same-sex.

Heck, I know someone who won't buy Evofish because it has "evolution" in it.

unrandomsam

#313

unrandomsam said:

Your posts have had nothing to do with the article at hand and everything to do with picking at other users for what they believe. Please stop — TBD

Barbiegurl777

#314

Barbiegurl777 said:

The verse that comes to my mind is:

He who is without sin let him cast the first stone.

I agree with @Camerica1618 i wouldn't buy the game either if they left the same sex marriage thing in the game because it goes against the christian religion. I'm christian as well. I have nothing against gay people because I went to school with several gay people years ago & was even friends with them. I was polite but made very clear to them I was straight so my friends back then didn't try anything funny on me personally. The one guy I was friends with in school was gay & like hello kitty & pink I'm being dead serious I truly wish I was kidding lol. Very nice friend just thought it was a little odd he'd like pink & hello kitty but what ever floats a person's boat.

Happy Gaming! (^_^)

Sanguinaire

#315

Sanguinaire said:

Good LAWDY what a heated debate. I personally will not be buying this game unless homosexual marriage is permitted. And before anyone starts throwing rocks at me, let me give you a few verses from YOUR Bible to think about. "John 8:7: When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, 'Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'" There is another verse, though I cannot remember precisely where, that says that man shall not judge man and leave that to your god. And you may say that doesn't apply here since I'm not Christian myself, but I wasn't aware that rules don't apply to you whenever someone else goes by different rules.

If you don't want to see your Miis go off and get gay married...then don't make them. They aren't going to just inexplicably go and tie the knot.

shaneoh

#316

shaneoh said:

@Sanguinaire
"There is another verse, though I cannot remember precisely where, that says that man shall not judge man and leave that to your god"
Let the murderers be FREE!

Wonder if there will be Bigamy, that would be hilarious.

GigaNerd17

#317

GigaNerd17 said:

The grand irony of all of this is that most, if not all, of this controversy would have never occurred if this glitch hadn't happened. When was the last time you saw this level of outcry after a Harvest Moon, Fire Emblem, or Persona release?

As a Christian who supports same-sex marriage, I feel this is getting ridiculous. Anyone who feels robbed should already know what to expect from the entertainment industry, and anyone who feels relieved needs to reread the Good Samaritan parable.

mullen

#319

mullen said:

Let me talk about one other aspect. If you're straight, and while you're playing this game, your Mii asks you whether he should fall in love with a boy (or she with a girl), what do you think? You may say to avoid this, each Mii can have one additional property about whether he/she loves boy/girl, but still, many people will not happy when seeing such option every time you created a new Mii.
One fact that I'm sure most players who never played this game misunderstand is that this game is different from animal crossing or the Sims, which you give commands to your character(s). In this game, you can only influence Miis. For example, you can't ask or help one Mii fall in love with another particular Mii. That is totally random, and the only thing you can do is when asked, you can say yes and give some suggestion, or say no can give your reason.

Joygame51

#320

Joygame51 said:

Ok,,, so no same sex stuff... Nintendo is not just for adults its for kids...why should they have to deal with such issues... I have nothing against folks doing as they see fit for themselfs ... heck I want to be left to my own Christian understandings of things to. Kids games should probably not get into sex ....LOVE is fine .... when Person loves another person ...Or Mii. or Wii...enough is enough. OK gang I two Miis or Wiis love each Other VERY VERY MUCH .... little miis or wiis can happen ...ya know SO thats that . If i do not personally agree with this or that way of living for my own life...thats fine...not trying to force my way of thinking on anyone else but this is a KIDS game too...so RELAX and enjoy the game.... lions and tigers and bears.....OH MY... Miis and Miis OH MY. just let everyone have fun.

HappyHappyist

#321

HappyHappyist said:

a shame people can't marry who they want to marry, in real life and in the game. if you're heterosexual, don't play gay in the game and you should be fine. i don't care what you are, but if someone else's sexual preference gets in they way of your enjoyment of a game, sorry, but i do not like you. let me play the game i want to, i'll let you play the game the way you want to. simple as that. it only becomes a problem when you people try shoving your beliefs onto eachother.

cheetahman91

#322

cheetahman91 said:

The way I see it, if you don't like it, just ignore it. If you're offended by the same sex option (assuming that Nintendo kept in in the game), then don't use it. That being said, I don't think that not having this option in the game is as huge of an issue as some people are making it out to be, considering that this is Nintendo we're talking about here. Same sex marriage is something that's simply too controversial for Nintendo to deal with.

BlackSpy

#324

BlackSpy said:

PRAISE THE LORD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS REMOVED FROM THIS GAME!
Please refrain from insults — TBD

IceClimbers

#327

IceClimbers said:

Why is this even a debate?

Nintendo was simply fixing a game-breaking glitch. Simple as that. As for same-sex marriages not being included originally, this doesn't show Nintendo's stance on the debate at all. Nintendo excluded it because different countries have different laws regarding same-sex marriage and homosexuality in general.

Nintendo simply wanted to avoid the debate all together, as they have a lot more important things to be doing than wasting their time with this.

End of discussion.

FordGuy

#329

FordGuy said:

Good. I do not want to see A.I. gay couples and such in the game. Although I don't have any interest in it anyway, I'm glad that Nintendo is stopping unholy relationships in-game.

Aran

#331

Aran said:

Come on, Being gay or not being gay isn't a bad thing. I think they should do whatever they want, they are normal people, there's nothing wrong with gay marriage. But I know maybe some countries are not ready for that kind of situations. I understand why Nintendo was like "forced" to remove it. They don't want to cause any controversy about it. But as a user, and Nintendo fan, it wouldn't be wrong for me to see gay marriage in a game. People should be "more open minded" and let everyone live their lives. It doesn't matter religion, sexual preferences or anything, it's a right every single person in this world has, and should be able to do it.

theblackdragonAdmin

#332

theblackdragon said:

@unrandomsam: Please stop, that portion of the conversation has gone too far off topic. I'm asking that we all get back to the topic at hand. Thanks in advance!

Nik-Davies

#333

Nik-Davies said:

Well me and Scarlett Johansson have tied the knot and are planning on having a baby Morgan Freeman.
But together, while it doesn't affect us, we feel that they should allow whether or not it should happen depending on the localisation. Recently, here in Britain, same-sex marriage has just become legal, and therefore should be in the game.

Drobotic

#334

Drobotic said:

Yay,another same-sex marriage debate.Anything new?Anyway,I don't see the problem with adding same-sex marriage to the game since other games like The Sims have it.They probably removed the same-sex marriage because some countries have it banned or have strong opinions about it.So I don't think they're on either side in this fight.

Galvanic_Arcvn

#335

Galvanic_Arcvn said:

@boynerdrambling
I concur, but then again this is what happens when anything even remotely important is brought up on the internet.

It was a programming mistake that was tied to a game-breaking bug. They played it safe, reworked everything involved and patched the problem. It's like these people arguing whether or not they should've made the game playable or not. No one in their right mind would buy an unplayable game even if they supported same-sex marriage.

Red_XIII

#336

Red_XIII said:

Everyone on this thread, just shush. It was actually a bug, so all the people saying Nintendo got rid of it because they're homophobes are wrong. There should be an option, that way people opposed to gay marriage get rid of the content, and those who want the content can have it in. Win Win. I know this point has been said a billion times on this thread, but since this thread is tone-deaf anyways.

Red_XIII

#337

Red_XIII said:

@Melkac Honestly, if the ESRB ups the rating because of homosexual content (No more explicit than the straight relationships, mind you) then that would cause controversy a-plenty, arguably more so than the content itself.

Red_XIII

#339

Red_XIII said:

That having been said, the lack of homosexual relationships rules my Chuck Norris x David tenant ship out...

Intrepid

#342

Intrepid said:

I personally am glad that same-sex marriage is not in the game. I can see that some on this site agree and some disagree, but that's simply how I feel.

kitsunetails8

#343

kitsunetails8 said:

I really don't care either way. Just as I am not for or against gay marriage. I just don't care if a person is gay or straight. I know what I am. I'm not only uncomfortable with gay/lesbian relationships but also straight relationships. And it's all because of one thing... Public shows of affection. I prefer it be kept behind closed doors. Though I am a sucker for games that include romance.

C-Olimar

#344

C-Olimar said:

I'm really looking forward to this game, despite not being able to gain the full experience from it. I want to see how the various Mii versions of my friends and family act around each other in a natural way.
My friend (and former crush, alas) is going out with a girl so it's a bit disappointing that they won't be to be together in game.

I'm sick of religious bigotry but I think everything that needs to be said has been said. I support gay marriage. Homosexuality is not a choice - and even if it was, we are all free to make that choice; government should not be influenced by religion.
I don't blame Nintendo for not including same-sex marriage. Their hands are tied.

TeeJay

#345

TeeJay said:

This site makes me very sad sometimes. That is all I have to say. Good night.

TrueWiiMaster

#347

TrueWiiMaster said:

@Sanguinaire
There's a big difference between throwing stones and simply not supporting. Though all have sinned, that's not a reason to support sin, or say it isn't sin.

10000mario

#348

10000mario said:

@mystman12
@Joshers744
Good for you, I am personally glad that Nintendo didn't allow this, It would have sickened me to the point of not buying this if they did not fix this issue. It is and will always be wrong, no matter if it is B.C. 3000, or A.D. 2014, wrong is wrong. I am quite disappointed in how this article was written... people say be tolerant, understanding, and embracing of others beliefs, yet no one wants to be tolerant of the Christian... anyway, I'm not going to let others decisions ruin my day, i know what i believe, and am tired of this being shoved down our throats... I am not writing this out of anger, just sadness to see how some simply cannot see right and wrong. -10000mario

TysonOfTime

#350

TysonOfTime said:

@10000mario
To phrase your belief as right or wrong has to be the biggest hypocrisy of all of religion. Thank the almighty diety which I no longer put stock in that I moved away from such a institution that would want to put a limit on the human race as we develop socially.

theblackdragonAdmin

#353

theblackdragon said:

@TeeJay: right there with you, bro. it's days like today when all i want to do is hit the 'clear comments' button and be done with it. :(

midnafanboy

#354

midnafanboy said:

Damn its over i think, my god nintendo life why did you make this article if you knew this was going to happen.You and half of the people who commented on this disappointed today.I wonder if me and everyone else can ever be the same again after this.

10000mario

#355

10000mario said:

@TysonOfTime
I did not make these beliefs up myself, they are from the Bible. Besides, The article writer and half the other people make it sound as though they have the "right or wrong" answers.

TysonOfTime

#356

TysonOfTime said:

@10000mario
Whosever opinion it is, the way I see it is that we ignore enough of the bible in society already, what's a little bit more? Is this the one issue the bible was really adamant about?
I'm not big on the bible but from what I know I don't think so.

Regarding whether or not they have the "right" answer?
I know they have the answer that is more open to the rights of humanity. That's enough for me to understand their points.
Note I don't necessarily agree that Same-Sex marriage should have been implemented here; as it's plain to see people are too fragmented currently.
But I put more stock in the ideas developed from one's life and experiences rather than an opinion derivative of a book that's essentially just one big "maybe".

10000mario

#357

10000mario said:

@TysonOfTime
I honestly hope that your eyes will be opened, and that you will see the way to life. Sorry Nintendo Life, The way in which this article was written truly shows the view points of your site, after being a daily visitor to this website for months, I am now leaving my account. This saddens me that so many in the world today cannot see what is not natural... Thanks for all who commented on the forums posts to me, and all who have been a part of the excitement of new game releases... So now I say farewell, goodbye, and all that other stuff, From that guy with the strange avatar, and too many 0's in his username, Goodbye! -10000mario

TysonOfTime

#358

TysonOfTime said:

@10000mario
Godspeed.
I hope we both live to see the day humans can be free to persue happiness without some groups casting some other being's judgement for him.

...But come on man, the whole "I hope your eyes will be opened" is one of the lamest holier-than-thou shticks I've ever seen.

3dcaleb

#360

3dcaleb said:

damn. i just read thru all 350 comments and i cant believe some of them. i dont want to be drawn in to all of it, but the utter ignorance of some people hating on gay people for them wanting to be included in a simulation of what is supposed to be reality for each person. i wont buy this game unless everyone can marry whomever they want.
Please stop with the insults --TBD

KingGanny

#361

KingGanny said:

I don't understand both sides of the argument in the comments.

I don't understand those who are saying they wouldn't buy the game if you COULD have gay marriage or the ones who say since there isn't gay marriage they won't support it. Why does it matter? It is just a game. Yes a life simulation game, but so? Why does that small fact completely turn you off from the game? It shouldn't. If it is the kind of game you enjoy then it doesn't matter. So what if your Mii can't be in a relationship with another Male Mii? It ISN'T you. It is a virtual representation of you. Your Mii can marry a woman Mii and it will have no affect on your real life. Sure you may prefer to be able to marry another Male Mii, but that shouldn't mean you aren't going to support it.

As for the other side of things? Here is the thing guys. I'm a Christian myself. Not overly devout, but I have Bi/Gay friends. I do not judge them. In 2014 we can't just be bigots about it. Do I understand the draw of being with another man? Not even remotely, but you know what? I am not the one having sex with another man. I'm not a woman so I am also obviously not a woman having sex with another woman. What people do in their bedrooms does not matter do me. Do I feel awkward when two guys kiss in front of me? Sure, but I won't make them stop showing their love because of how I personally feel as they do so. Love is just that. Love. It isn't bound to just a man and a woman. After all you all have male friends who you love correct? It is a different kind of love obviously, but it is still love. So if you can love them as friends love each other why can't two men/women love each other as well...lovers do?

If you like Life Simulation games and the quirkiness of this title peaks your interest then get it no matter and just enjoy what it has. Please remember this is a game originally from Japan. The cultures are different. Besides who is to say that if same-sex marriage WAS possible in Japan it would stay that way when it came here. We sometimes have some pretty drastic changes in localization and such.

Bluezealand

#362

Bluezealand said:

That's enough. Please stop attacking other users. They are allowed to believe as they please — TBD

PuzzleMaster7

#363

PuzzleMaster7 said:

Once again, Nintendo made the right decision. Besides, the controversy would no doubt impact sales for the worst if news went out that the game featured homosexual relationships. Sure, some may boycott it now, but it will be significantly less than it would be if it was the other way around. As far as homosexuals go, although I don't condone their behavior, I still have to treat them with respect for they are still people also. In conclusion, all I can really say can be summed up in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4UDgKqY3EE

StreetPassWante

#364

StreetPassWante said:

@10000mario
I don't care if this is rude. I may be a hypocrite, thinking my beliefs are right, but these comments literally made me cry in real life. It's people like you who are the reason I am in the closet. I'm stuck in this dark place where if I reveal my true self, the world I know will become hell. Every day I live in fear. And you're going to step all over me and say I am the evil one. I DID NOT CHOOSE THIS. I didn't choose to live through this. You won't see this comment and probably won't change a thing due to ignorance of most people who have your opinion, but I must express myself on the one place I can: the Internet.

StreetPassWante

#365

StreetPassWante said:

@KingGanny Just saying, while I wouldn't necessarily call it boycott, it is harder to put yourself in the game when you're doing something you wouldn't normally do. For example: if this game allowed for only male to male relationships, it's be really hard to think of yourself in that. So it would turn people off. I'm still getting the game, but I don't think I'll allow my Mii to marry someone.

Kid_A

#366

Kid_A said:

Well then. This obviously non-neutral post and the embarrassingly homophobic comments that followed it have made me question ever coming back to Nintendo Life. It's all so ridiculous.

Jazzer94

#367

Jazzer94 said:

I wish we could go back in time and prevent this comments section from ever happening, so many ignorant homophobic comments smh.

Clara

#369

Clara said:

I'm disappointed in Nintendo hopefully by the time this game gets localised for PAL shores they will actually add in a same sex marriage option, Gay couples can now 100% legally get married with all the same legal rights as straight married couples,.. enough said.

Maybe they should put in a "I believe differently" option for those that don't want same sex relation ships happening in there game,
and remove cross dressing too so guys cant' wear dress's and skirts and the girls can't wear trousers.... oh whats that you say its fine for women to wear trousers?... ohh you have double standards that makes sense now.

Seriously though if you are offended by the presence of gay people, I disagree with you.
Please watch the insults — TBD
Sorry got a little carried away, narrow minded people drive me mad sometimes, I'll pick my choice of words more carefully next time, I apologise for my little rant

Doma

#370

Doma said:

I don't think i'll ever understand the desire of people trying to imagine/re-enact their own life via a videogame.. it honestly disturbs me (unless you're a child).

This is possibly the most stupid and unhealthy genre in gaming.

Clara

#371

Clara said:

Doma
Actually it can be quite a healthy thing to do, help you see yourself from a 3rd person perspective, perhaps figure out elements of your self that you couldn't see otherwise.
you can also use them to work though past or present traumas and figure out who you want to be in the future.

Anyhow i like to inject an bit of my personality into all of my games, it makes them much more enjoyable.

HandheldGuru97

#372

HandheldGuru97 said:

I do not want to get into a debate like many of the users above me have already, please allow me to state my views here. Thank you. ;)
As someone who suffers gender dysphoria (transgender MtF if you need to know, pre everything sadly :( ) I myself personally could care less about my sexual orientation I would rather figure out my gender first, yet it saddens me though to see Nintendo not go out on a limb and include this feature as more than a glitch, but a real feature (for male and female Mii's too). It also...I don't sickens and saddens me as well to see how many people are so hell bent on believing its a sin to be part of the LGBTQ community (if you're reading this long wall of text I may even lose some of the few friends I have on this site because I'm Trans*), but seeing that all this hate...Nintendo doesn't need bad press. There would be parents burning their kids Wii U's, Wii's, 3DSes in the streets (worse case scenario) if this feature was in the game. Protests outside Nintendo, hate mail, hell hateful stories on big name game sites (not naming names). Nintendo can't afford bad press now, but one day maybe not this year but within the next 10 years or so...Tomodachi Life HDS could have this feature. I'd like that. :)
Thanks to anyone who read this wall of text!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Memeboy3

#373

Memeboy3 said:

Seriously Guys?
You aren't Going to buy the Game due to A Feature they Don't Force you To Use......But it was Actually a Glitch?!
Facepalm

I know It's Just my Opinion....But it seems to be A Stupid Reason to not Buy this Game.
Same-Sex Marriage us STILL a controversial Issue Here....It May be 2014....But Yet there are Plenty Of People and Countries who Frown upon That and Most likely Target the Game and Nintendo...Even though Countries still Allow that....Some Countries don't Call it 'Sam Sex Marriage' But usually ''Union Marriage' or something Like That, Even Some of Said Countries ( Like the U.S.A.) Don't have the Majority of their Countries Supporting It.

Yet the Game can Still let you Have your Own Personas and Life. It shouldn't Have to feel Restrictive due To a Glitch.

Maybe they Could add The Feature in An Update.

Clara

#374

Clara said:

Oh, for those who use the bible as there reasoning behind being homophobic,
The bible condones making your daughter marry an "attacker"(to put it more delicately) if he got her pregnant. yes the bible still holds some moral merit but parts of it are somewhat out of date. just saying what the bible says should be taken with a pinch of salt.

As for natural if god made us all (including gay people) then we should all be natural because he made us that way, right?

ahh religion it seems to cause more problems that it fixes.

I am yet to hear a sensible argument as to why being gay is wrong.

Csaw

#375

Csaw said:

It blows my mind how people are ok with violence/murder, stealing, opposite sex adultery, and references to other religions in games yet gay marriage is where people lose their minds. Seriously if you're ok with all these other things in games but are against gay marriage in games, you're nothing but a hypocrite.

Kirby_Girl

#376

Kirby_Girl said:

That's too bad, I guess I won't be buying. I think it's annoying how some people are saying "WHATS THE BIG DEAL?" Um hello, it's a game driven by character interactions. It's a SIMS. People are suppose to be able to insert themselves in it or create whatever life they want. It's a pretty big deal to not include more inclusive options. It's a pretty bad design decision. SIMS should be as open as possible so people can mess with all sorts of options. Create the stories THEY want to. It's an utter shame. I'm sorry I'm just going to skip out because that's just ridiculous. It's absolutely exclusionary to a portion of the population in terms of options, plus it's just a bad choice.

RogueBologna

#377

RogueBologna said:

These comments gave me a hilarious 25 min or reading. But even thinking about being in TBD's shoes makes me angry and sad with all these people.

Sondheimist

#379

Sondheimist said:

@camerica1618 "But science has not yet proven that there are gay genes."

There may well not be a gay gene. However, numerous scientific studies (not to mention the lived experiences of millions of gay people who rather decidedly did not choose to face the things they face) have shown rather convincingly that ones sexual orientation is a result of a variety of biological and environmental factors. (See, for example, twin studies, digit-length studies, birth order studies, epigenetic studies, and so on.) It's not quite as simple as a "gay gene," but it's still not a choice for a vast majority of people.

"Also, if people really are born with it than why can't men and men or women and women able to reproduce?"
This question... Doesn't make any sense. Are you aware that there are many straight individuals who are unable to reproduce?

As a general comment, I really hope that some day more people will see how their words (and actions) affect others. You can say you "love" and "respect" gay people, but the rest of your words are incompatible with either love or respect. We aren't talking about some abstract issue here - we're talking about very real people who live very real lives.

When you condemn a company for "endorsing gays" or declare that you "disagree with homosexuality" (whatever the heck that means) - well, that can hit hard, particularly if you are gay or have a close friend or loved one who is gay. I can only hope that you'll never have to experience what it's like to have that kind of degrading, dehumanizing rhetoric being used against you.

(But to perhaps give you an idea, imagine a major political figure - or even just a group of members on a message board - declaring: "I can respect my Christian friends, but I would never want them to have the same rights as me and I would boycott any company that 'endorsed' their lifestyle or made it seem like it was all right to be Christian. The Christian lifestyle is sinful, and sin makes me feel sick.") (And no, I most certainly do NOT believe that - I'm just trying to get you to see things from a different point of view.)

Of course, ones sexual orientation is not the sole defining characteristic of an individual - but regardless of whether you're gay or straight, who you love IS an important part of who you are.

Please understand: This is NOT an attack on anyone's religion. If someone believes that homosexuality is a sin, they're perfectly entitled to do so. However, this isn't just a matter of "to each his own" - one side is actively trying to hurt people that I love, and so I feel obligated to speak out. Fortunately, there are many wonderful people in my life who are both gay AND Christian (one of them, after living with the same man for more than 30 years, was finally blessed to be able to have his relationship sealed with marriage two years ago), as well as many straight Christians who support the rights of my gay friends.

Sondheimist

#381

Sondheimist said:

Sorry for the wall of text - that's all I'll say on this subject on this site.
For the record, I bear no ill will towards Nintendo for fixing the glitch. I was never particularly interested in the game, but this doesn't affect my opinion at all.

JellySplat

#383

JellySplat said:

I'm glad nintendo hasn't included gay marriage. I do not agree with it.
That was all you had to say. Please watch the insults — TBD

odd69

#387

odd69 said:

So Nintendo life, you'll let your own gay community get shunned by everyone for posting things like this and expect for people to be 'civil' right. Why not just feed the gays to the rabid dogs i mean seriously. But hey only half of these comments make me never want to visit this site...

i hope you mods, and you Thomas read my comment. Leave these articles out, We dont need to be reminded how much we are hated, disrespected, and misunderstood from all communities everywhere.

Uno

#388

Uno said:

@odd69 These articles and discussions are vital in order to some question their beliefs. And I believe this is no easy task for the mods, to decide what to do with some of the comments.

Mariokarter

#389

Mariokarter said:

It looks like that just about all the users love talking about same sex marriage, more than actual news about games like Mario Kart 8, and Smash Bros, according to how much comments are here that just argues about it...

Honestly though I wasn't going to get this game either way it just looks like Animal Crossing but with Miis and more boring.
People shouldn't be so sensitive of this glitch. Be glad Nintendo fixes glitches for their games ;).

cheleuitte

#390

cheleuitte said:

I'm very dissapointed that This option is no longer in the game, I'm gay and I would like to be myself in the game not like this hypocrite society want me to be!!

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