@ThomasBW84 I suppose it revolves around the fact that Nintendo didn't develop them at all, 3rd parties did. I'm sure these groups would like to be paid for the work they did.

This doesn't seem like a very good business move. Not so much the fact that it's not on the Wii U, mostly the fact they put it on the Xbox One.

Microsoft already has a pretty tiny market for consoles in Japan and with their recent behaviour you'd think SE would have thought it'd be a pretty risky endeavour. Though if there's a fat contract on the other hand...that's another story altogether.

However, between now and when the game actually releases this could change. The game is still early after all (they only announced it at this year's E3 cause the fans were getting impatient). A search for release date will come up with nothing. I would say not to get your hopes up unless Nintendo also decides to fork out some cash though.

@Doma Most likely Ness won't be removed. Even though I agree that Lucas is better, the problem lies with the audience. Ness is better known in North America than Lucas, I'd say.

Some other choices could be tough removals as well. DeDeDe and Ganondorf are the major villains from their respective series.

Marth MIGHT be removed due to the release of Awakening since he has descendants (especially one that disguised as him).

The clones really shouldn't make a return, it would be better to just use the other existing IPs.

The WarioWare games sell better so Wario will most likely stay WarioWare themed (though they should probably make his moveset more random to reflect this).

Jigglypuff will most likely stay in the game seeing as it is a veteran of 3 games (and the original 12 have appeared in every game since the first game).

@mumof3kids82 I don't mean holding it back in terms of release date. I mean holding it back based on flashiness, gameplay elements, graphical aspects, and total content.

http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/3ds-version-of-super-smash-bros-may-hold-back-the-wii-u-version/

However, Sakurai said before that he couldn't see how to get an Animal Crossing character to work in Smash Bros. but he still managed to do it. A lot could change before the game releases next year (especially since we don't know when next year, for all we know it could be a Christmas release).

@TwilightV From what Sakurai said before, the handheld version of the game is holding back the home console version (pretty much needing to tone down certain attacks and character rosters) due to the limitations of the 3DS hardware. In that case, it's a little odd that they don't have cross-platform play especially with that constraint in place.

Probably should have developed them separately if there's no cross play.

@AugustusOxy He said "at the moment." It would just attract negative attention if he said that they were thinking about it now while they are still in the midst of developing the game. The game won't come out until 2014 anyways, so if we're going to hear anything about DLC it'll most likely be near the end of development (the game looks like it's in the early stages still). With a game this high profile they need to be very careful about "what they say" and "when they say it" because everyone is watching it progress, like hawks right now.

@0SP_ZELDAiii It cannot be wrong because like they said themselves, there isn't a timeline at all (except for games in the series with obvious ties like PH and ST).

@DrDingus Unfortunately, people also abused the builder so they could just unlock pretty much everything (like the music for example).

Pretty much sandbags only, a conveyor belt and one wall.

@Nobodys_Angel Thank you. Also, didn't know Bulbapedia had an entry already. I'm off to take a look then, sounds interesting.

@Geonjaha That's what they said about the 3DS and funny thing was it WAS the 1st party that drove up the install base.

@bonesy91 Well that's one way of looking at it especially if publishers control the DRM for any of their games on Sony's console.

Something tells me, at the end of the year, a lot of naysayers are going to be eating their words. Hm...how odd this seems rather familiar.

@The_Fox Could be. Maybe Pokemon Rumble? They could sell the figurines but the game itself could be free.

I probably shouldn't feel Schadenfreude but come Christmas season, something tells me it's going to be unavoidable when the sales numbers are posted.

@Kaze_Memaryu It does fit due to mythology. Dragons are well known to be taken down by fairy forged weapons and fairy magic in regards to myths and legends. Also, define justice and divine. We already have gods in the game, in case anyone has forgotten; all of them being legendary. Look at every ice pokemon to date, they have ice based traits except for the hybrids which take more inspiration from their other type.

Nobodys_Angel already covered in their post why a "light/justice" type will not be created. It already exists as the fighting type. The "dark" type name is actually a poor translation on NoA's part. The games are also based off the Japanese version of the game so NoA and Europe aren't suddenly gonna pull out another type out of their behinds especially in regards to balance.

A lot of things are lost in translation and frankly NoA should probably have done a better job translating back during the Gold/Silver generation. However, since the name has now stuck they can't really do anything about it I guess.

I'd like to emphasize again to everybody this isn't something that was just made up on the spot by Gamefreak, there is actual mythological basis behind Fairies beating Dragons.

@Williaint I think you misread my comment. I said they "sell less" than mainstream games.

here's the original section: "As much as everyone "thinks" that innovative games will skyrocket sales it is generally NOT the case. The more innovative games out there will ALWAYS sell less consoles than say the more popular series like Call of Duty or Battlefield."

Though perhaps I should work on where I emphasize my points.

@ferthepoet The console sales for Nintendo ALWAYS jump straight up when a more casual Mario game shows up. This trend is revealed with Wii, 3DS and I'm pretty sure when the sales for the Christmas period shows up this trend will continue for the Wii U.

As much as everyone "thinks" that innovative games will skyrocket sales it is generally NOT the case. The more innovative games out there will ALWAYS sell less consoles than say the more popular series like Call of Duty or Battlefield. I seriously don't see Mirror's Edge 2 for example selling as many consoles as say the next Call of Duty game. At the end of the day, it's the mainstream market that makes up the most console/hardware purchases not the "hardcore" group (they tend to make up more of the overall software purchases).

They're not going to have any trouble with their hardware purchases, I guarantee it. Overall software on the other hand, remains to be seen. Quite frankly, everyone on this site, as I pointed out earlier on, is not really in a position to make comments on how well Nintendo will do, unless they have some kind of business background or substantial proof (both is preferable on such a highly charged topic).

Best quote I've seen on this topic remains this for very good reason, cause it's quite fitting towards the Nintendo fan base:

"Nintendo is also in a terrible position at E3, for a roughly similar reason: Everyone who loves Nintendo think they know what’s best for Nintendo, and they get frustrated very easily. If Nintendo does something radically new and different and weird — motion gaming with the Wii, the tablet control of the Wii U — people complain that Nintendo is violating its legacy of great old-school gameplay. If Nintendo shrugs and says, fine, here’s a brand-new Mario game or a brand-new Zelda sequel, people complain that Nintendo is resting on its laurels and violating its legacy of pushing the boundaries of gameplay."

At the end of the day, you can't satisfy everyone especially when you're in Nintendo's position. Best to go with the bigger slice of the market in that case.

@Peach64 Except the problem is that people aren't looking at it from a logical perspective. Sure you can feel free to state your disappointment, however to say they failed and that it wasn't a good business decision is asinine at best.

@ferthepoet @Mahe Both of you have never checked the sales data then. The New series and 3D Land have both sold several times the copies of their more "unique" counterparts.

If you think they are going to "lose" sales I suspect you haven't gotten past the arrogance of your opinion and haven't checked the data. Most of the people on this site that bother to post on a regular basis are obviously not the target (especially considering how small this demographic is).

@Haxonberik It is a bit strange with KHIII seeing as how Microsoft fans don't have any exposure at all to the series whereas Nintendo fans have had exposure to the series (via handhelds). Not to mention that the Xbox line has never sold well in Japan, which makes this even odder.

@Musterd Hm...so we might get a fast crustacean this time around?

Ah so ultimately it was as predicted, this worked better for multiplayer, eh makes sense.

Quite frankly, the huge Mario games never sell that well anyways at least not enough to promote console sales by all that much. They generally have pretty long legs when it comes to sales but ultimately don't manage to even remotely overtake the smaller Mario titles and their burst sales. In the position Nintendo is in right now it's not like it would have been worth making a big Mario game anyways. Maybe sometime down the line, in a few years maybe but not now.

Too many people here are letting their emotions get in the way of common sense.

@Kaze_Memaryu No light wouldn't make any sense at all actually. Dark made sense because they had clear differences from the other Pokemon (such as Evil) however the term "good" which you are thinking here is even more ambiguous than Evil. Light also has problems with what makes it a clear type. Will it glow? Many fire types and electrical Pokemon already have that trait. Are they white in colour? Same problem.

As a result, there are clearer portrayals of things that are "evil" in media versus things that are "good".

Fairy will most likely cover the smaller Pokemon that fall under the different media portrayals of what fairies are. Probably, won't hurt that some Pokemon are already classified as "fairies".

@Lasermaster123 Not sure why you brought power into this since it wouldn't be noticeable anyways unless they both showed up in the roster. After playing the first 2 games it just feels like Felix is a much more fleshed out character than Isaac. Isaac just feels blank as a character. I guess it's just personal preference though, since I don't like blank characters (in RPGs) unless I created them from the ground up.

@Yasume JUST BECAUSE you said that:

http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/bowser.html
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Bowser_%28SSBB%29

Bowser's colour scheme is noticeably washed out when you look at the Brawl picture (second link). He has much better colouring in the first pic (from this upcoming Smash Bros. release).

@Lasermaster123 Personally, I'd prefer having Felix as the representative. In my opinion, Isaac is too much of a goody-two shoes and we have plenty of those already in the roster.

Not to mention Felix had his own unique Psynergy (which TECHNICALLY Isaac could learn but never proven) Sand which could be used for some odd fighting styles. He'd probably have a more brutal style as well something that isn't quite so common in the current roster.

@Yasume You forgot to mention +F-Zero as well.

I knew this was what was going to happen the moment they showed multiplayer. If you want an open world Mario game I seriously hope you don't expect multiplayer as well.

@DarkCoolEdge Dragon really did need some rebalancing especially after the most recent generation. This is essentially the same thing they did to balance out psychic type back in Gold and Silver.

@SirQuincealot It's possible it didn't sell very well. Out of the games you mentioned, it's the most niche out of them. As a result, it may not have gotten enough sales to warrant a sequel.

@Damo Have you ever taken your 3DS in for repairs? I had a problem with games installing properly and they gave me a new 3DS and transferred over the games as well.

However, if it goes missing or is stolen well yeah then it's a problem.

@expa0 You know you don't HAVE TO buy the DLC right? In fact, in this case, unless you're a newbie (or a collector, I didn't forget about the demon) it might actually be detrimental to your experience to get the map DLC and the armour since it would make the game easier. However, they have given the OPTION to make the game easier for those who would be turned off by the difficulty level.

And yes there are probably people who wouldn't be able to beat the game on easy mode, you cannot assume that everyone has the same skill level in regards to games or time for that matter.

@Yorumi Well that may have been because a lot of people hated the main character and couldn't actually stand to play through the game to watch him develop into a better person. That's also another problem, it seems very few gamers actually have the patience for character development if the character isn't likable.

@justinj42 I think he's referencing the crazy mystical elements that generally occur near the end of each of the Uncharted games not the whole kill everyone on the island aspect.

@Thomas Have the locations for Canada been announced yet? You mentioned there are 21 of them so I'm curious to know where these 21 are.

I'll probably watch the reveal to see if it has any interesting features. Always nice to see what new tech is in store for us. Of course, I only have enough money for one console so I'll be sticking with the Wii U (and my gaming PC).

@Strongo9 I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of people that would choose the Wii U+PC combo so it is odd that it's missing from there (then again the question was just asking about systems).

They probably have a more sustainable, long term approach to software sales than EA which is why they're sticking around.

There was obviously a reason those remarks were removed. Probably one of the worst places to post something like that as well.

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Yeah...removing those comments isn't going to do anything. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy is in A LOT of trouble right now. Though it is surprising someone that stupid got into a senior position.

People had to "figure it out" back in the day? Don't kid yourself.

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I hope you guys didn't forget the existence of player's guides in that time and age. The only difference is that this is a more noticeable problem with the widespread use of the internet. So stop stroking your egos.

I wouldn't bother with a boycott. The gaming community in general is notorious for being all bark and no bite. A boycott could fail for a multitude of different reasons and even when "successful" could still be written off. In the case of strong IPs, it would just mean the impact was not noticeable. In the case of niche titles, the games would just be written off as being too niche (and another game would never appear again).

Even a petition or many letters would have a better likelihood of actually succeeding since at least they can be considered tangible and would get the point across.

@Thomas I think you guys should have an option for not owning either console. It'll skew the data less. Of course, it's still possible someone could troll but the majority of honest people will select that option if it's there since in their case it would be "not applicable" really.

@RupeeClock The later games used a Wailmer for Surfing. Though since the bottom half of its body is in the water it ends up looking like a generic blob.

Hm...a France theme this time around. Looks like they have an Eiffel Tower equivalent in the background (wonder if it'll be used for anything interesting).

@Aviator If the comment was made in jest like Damien mentioned, then most likely that was it, since jokes/exaggeration/etc don't need to be terribly long.

@RupeeClock That's due to the fact that Nintendo doesn't own 100% of the Pokemon franchise ( I think the division was something like 33.3% for Nintendo, 33.3% GameFreak and 33.3% for the Pokemon Company-which is further split between Nintendo and GameFreak so total is probably around 50% each?) GameFreak is also a contractor so Nintendo does need to give them some leeway, to not end up pissing them off.

@Bass_X0 Didn't they already try something similar with DLCs on the 360 and PS3 (Harmony of Despair)? I heard that one only did decently well.

The combat in the 3DS game felt clunky and leveling to unlock moves only served to make things worse (since you didn't really start with that many attacks to begin with).

EDIT: spelling errors

@Happy_Mask Well yeah...you know with all of the undead guards and a potential celestial object crashing down on your head the Ikana Castle can't really be worth that much.

@aaronsullivan I assume he's just being LordJumpMad in this case. The poor grammar is a dead giveaway.

Wasn't the original Eternal Darkness split into chapters anyways (a lot of them if I remember right)? So this results in episodic content that adds up to $25 ($5 * 5 episodes).

Their other decisions are the ones you should be more wary about. Like the Kickstarter as Peach64 pointed out. And having Denis Dyack at the helm.

Hm...unless he's not telling the full story here, there are definitely regulations in Canada against doing something like this.

However, that depends on whether or not he was a contractor. If not, he has to be given a certain amount of notice and compensation for the amount of time remaining (from the time he was notified). The only exception to this is being terminated with "just cause" which actually falls on the employer to prove the employee did something wrong.

Otherwise, if he's a contractor there may be clauses that allow him to be unceremoniously deposed of like this (though generally speaking contractors aren't stupid enough to not have something involving this).

Okay so they got their so-called "next-generation" engine to run on PS3 and Xbox360 which has weaker tech than the Wii U (albeit slightly)? They managed to get it running on a console with one of the least traditional architectures in the last couple of generations (PS3) and somehow failed to get it running on the Wii U?

I'm sorry but from a programmer's perspective I'd have to say, "I love the smell of BS in the morning."

Uh isn't the Hojo clan's symbol generally a isosceles triangle (with a longer base) vs the Triforce being an equilateral triangle?

Hm...I like that a successor is being developed but as many people pointed out already, Mr. Dyack doesn't exactly have a good track record after the Nintendo projects (which were overseen by Nintendo obviously).

http://kotaku.com/5955223/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x+men-destiny

Ironically enough, he complained about all of the milestones and restrictions when he was working on Eternal Darkness.

Guys it's not a game, at least the article says that.

Hm...this can go either way depending on what social networks they posted the original meme on.

For example, the Reddit TOS seems to imply anything goes once you post or upload onto Reddit. There are a couple of other TOS's listed here:

http://www.blueglass.com/blog/who-owns-your-meme-user-generated-content-ownership-on-social-networks/

Well, I have to agree with this move. Due to the how ISP are acting and have been acting for awhile now Cloud Gaming can't really take off because at the end of the day it's still too reliant on your own connection.

Perhaps we'll see the day, when Google's Fiber forces the other ISP's to be more competitive.