Last week, Nintendo announced it was working on a new "dedicated" platform by the name of Nintendo NX. Details on the this new system are virtually non-existent at present - and we're unlikely to know more until next year - but Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata has stated that it won't be a simple spec-bump over the Wii U.
Speaking to Nikkei, he lamented the current trend of simply boosting a new console's power and expressed the desire to "surprise" players:
However, if you only expand upon existing hardware, it's dull. In some shape or form, we're always thinking about how we want to surprise players as well as our desire to change each person's video gaming life.
The last time Nintendo achieved that aim was arguably with the Wii, which introduced the world to motion-based controls. Prior to that, there was the DS, one of the first gaming systems to use a touch-screen for input. Nintendo's latest console - the Wii U - has been something of a commercial failure, despite offering a unique dual-screen interface which allows for innovative, asymmetrical gameplay.
What do you think Nintendo has its up sleeve with the NX? Until more is revealed, we can all guess away as much as we like - feel free to do so in the comments section below.
[source kotaku.com, via business.nikkeibp.co.jp]
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Virtual reality? I can't think of anything he could mean, unless it's that freeform display.
I'm all for new experiances but it also has to be friendly to third partys, no point in having a system that will surprise us if it doesn't have any games
That's why I love Nintendo when it comes to innovation. The other two will just bump up the specs for nicer graphics. At least Nintendo thinks outside the box.
I don't think we'll see big AAA third party support, like EA & Ubisoft. They'll concentrate doing things there own way with indie support.
Yamauchi put the company in good hands
@FullbringIchigo I guess to a certain point, but I don't think that Nintendo should make a console based on third party support. Anyway I've always loved the speculation period of new hardware. It could literally be anything, and that is exciting to me.
Nintendo has the cash reserves to be bold and it's good to see - even if they fail trying to shake up the industry, so what? The mere possibility or chance of shaking it up makes it worthwhile.
I understand the need for innovation, but Nintendo really has to create a powerful system, that's friendly for third parties, because as great as their first parties are, a console CANNOT survive on first parties alone (and then sales will end up becoming another Wii U).
As much as I like the novelty that unique hardware provides, Nintendo's problem isn't stale hardware; it's getting third parties to developer for their systems. If this new system is going to try and ride off of its gimmick, then Nintendo will be doing the exact opposite thing they need to solve their problem.
If Nintnod isn't supposed to tell us about NX until 2016 then why does Iwata keep talking about it? I'd rather hear about Starfox and Zelda U if he wants to talk about videogames.
Iwata, why must you scare us?
@rjejr Probably because he gets asked about NX in every interview he does.
Definitely looking forward to the Nintendo Fusion.
I think what he really means is 'it won't be as powerful as the XBone or PS4', or it'll be about on par with a Wii U's graphics. Maybe.
I don't want anything too gimmicky, just something that works really well. 3rd party support would be welcome too.
@Moon
I hope that's not the case unless NX is a handheld.
Can't say I have any idea. But unlike a lot of people I'm happy that Nintendo is still trying to innovate. Because just like Iwata said, simply expanding upon existing hardware is rather dull.
If the phone business worked the same as the console business, we'd still only be able to use our mobile phones to make phone calls.
While I'm not asking for new non-game related functions for the NX, this still says a lot. Consoles have entirely different opportunities to add things which affect gaming itself. So that's the field where I want to see new functions.
Let innovation come from the software. From NES to Cube all they did was bump up the specs but we still saw tons of creative games.
@Icarus423 oh I agree they shouldn't make it just for third partys but just reliying on their own games isn't working, just look at the WiiU now I love the WiiU but it doesn't get many games through the year
I just don't want to see Nintendo fail and go the way of Sega Nintendo was my childhood and if that means they have to make their console more like the PS4 & XB1 and more friendly to third partys I'll be ok with that
Whatever it is, hopefully they'll actually make more than one game that uses the hardware.
Nintendo, please, can't you just make a great console like SNES or Cube, without useless things like move or tablet?
Great. More gimmicks that people won't like and companies won't make games for. They need to produce a system with normal controls.
Man, they're really talking up this platform that they dont even plan on revealing til 2016. I'd like more news on the systems they're currently trying to sell.
@Peach64 I would have to disagree with that point. The SNES controller added the shoulder buttons and the N64 added a control stick. Those were 2 innovations found on every home console since, even by competitors.
The NX's gimmick had better not be Virtual Reality. The Oculus Rift is already irritating us enough with that.
Man I have no clue what the new innovatoon could be...something with VR? That seems to be a possible incoming trend. No clue. Excited for future news though!
It sounds like something I'll get in line for, but I don't think it's the right move.
I think Nintendo needs a console after the Wii U that finally puts it back as the main player in gaming hardware. A system FAR more powerful than anything currently available, with stronger, more open (and still free) online features with built-in voice chat and social media sharing/streaming functions and released first in the cycle and sold at a loss to keep costs low. Maybe even a Nintendo-developed FPS game along with some third-party deals to draw in the PS/Xbox crowd. This system could bring the "hardcore" market back to Nintendo and get rid of the negative name associations it's gotten over the past couple generations. If they could lead in the next console cycle like that, then the system after (two generations from now), they could release something that tries to redefine video gaming, and gamers wouldn't immediately write it off just because it's "Nintendo being gimmicky yet again. Why don't they make real games?"
I heard it was the first gaming implant, with game data beamed straight to your cortex. Plugging into someone else for multi player could be fun!
They said the same about the Wii U, and look how that turned out...I'll believe it when I see it...
unless its a hybrid of handheld and console
here we go again, under-powered hardware for the sake of gimmicky controls.....
fool me once shame on you wii
motion controls were neat however the system did struggle with game releases and quality content, also it did hurt Nintendo's image by comming off to core gamers as the "casual" system
fool me twice shame on me wii u
good system,good games, but poor marketing mixed with underpowered hardware, 2005 era online infrastructer, region-locking, and a controller thats under-utilized and a install base that seems to be stalling before even reaching 10 mil in sales as of march.
what happens if the gaming community is fooled a third time with NX.
How about surprising us with actually getting up-to-date with your infrastructor and hardware choices. that would be surprising. Having been gaming on Nintendo since the age of 3 1996 I must say I've never felt the urge to be so critical towards anyone company that I adore, as much as Nintendo because these past few generations they find something that puts them a few steps forward, and then.... do stuff and implement hardware/software choices that puts them several steps backwards.
By all means surprise us Iwata.. but since the same was promised of the Wii U.. I'm highly skeptical. Optimistic sure,at least.... i'd like to be, but overall I'm skeptical.
We shall see, Iwata...we shall see...
Making new and unique ways to play is awesome, but don't use that as an excuse to make horribly weak hardware (3DS). And if you do something unique and revolutionary, make sure it's excellent the first time around.
I think the NX will be hybrid system, dedicated console sales in Japan are not stella. It all seems to be about the mobile space and handhelds.
I think it will be something you can plug on a TV and pair Wiimotes for multiplayer OR take out with you and play on its builtin screen wherever you are.
Good afternoon everybody. I am Hype.
@Judgedean you do realize the other two are smoking Nintendo from a sales numbers stand point. Clearly the market disagrees with you.
@Yorumi
Pretty much how I see this statement. Hardware advancements and improvements are important, but so is evolving in actual game design and gaming concepts. Nintendo just wants to continue to release the same exact games over and over again, but with a different weird gimmick.
I could swing my arm to play Skyward Sword. Nothing else about the game was really different from any other Zelda game. It was still another Zelda that followed the same predictable Zelda formula.
If they really want to surprise gamers, players, and consumers, they'd deliver something that is actually competitive against MS and Sony, and in a way that will make MS and Sony actually care.
Unless it is a normal console with a normal controller, then the only thing it will change is my blood pressure by raising it significantly.
If this innovative approach by Nintendo isn't working, why do you think they keep using it?
@CanisWolfred
Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound like lessons have been learned.
I LOVEEEE that Nintendo's vision is to always deliver something unique and fun in an industry where everything is just specs, resolution lame gray looking games and boring Internet fights of why the AA of certain game sucks. That's why I continue supporting Nintendo. I just freaking hope they bring a super strong and no-confusing marketing campaign for NX once it launchs because we don't want another Wii U marketing-like with confusing message and boring happy family playing on the couch commercials.
@Octane - I know, but can't he just say "I don't want to talk about NX, lets talk about Zelda." Nobody is going to say no to more Zelda.
All the best for Nintendo!!😊
Yes, simply expanding existing hardware becomes dull eventually, but Nintendo stopped doing that ever since the GameCube.
Iwata makes it sound like people demand cable boxes from Nintendo instead of good consoles, but the opposite is the case: Nintendo's success stems from creative consoles that work without requiring outside devices to support them. But by acknowledging mobiles as part of the gaming business (which they aren't, period), this independence is sold out for cheap advertising.
@Yorumi That's not really true. Yes, Nintendo defintely does repeat stuff, but at the same time, they always add something unique to (almost) each game to differentiate it from others, even in their respective series, and these differences tend to come from new gimmicks that alter the game flow more than expected. Though that's not to say others aren't creative, as well.
I will drink the Nintendo Kool-Aid everytime! Just take my money already!
Please let this be a new handheld. That because the WiiU still has ways to go even if it's "flaundering" says the internet. Too early for a home console reveal.
@V8_Ninja
Third parties have never been Nintendo's "problem" so they're not going to be the solution either. Nintendo always has, and always will, have their fortunes tied to the appeal of their own unique hardware and their own unique games.
People just don't seem to understand there's more to the video game industry than "third parties". Nintendo is affected by third parties about as much as Sony is affected by not having Nintendo exclusives- zero to zilch. Each has their own games and their own appeal.
I like Nintendo for it's creativity and for the fact that it's products are NOT as the competition. If Nintendo made a console that's exactly like the competition It would fail just as much Saleswise as the wii u is doing atm. If nint is making VR why keep it a secret? Everyone else is doing it so I don't think nintendo has any reason not to talk openly about VR. Maybe Nintendo is keeping this close to their chests because they don't know how this console is going to turn out yet or it might be because they have an excellent idea that they wouldn't want sony microsoft or anyone else to get inspiration from just yet.
@JaxonH Now that is wisdom I share your view..
If the NX is another console with a new control system that in anyway feels like a gimmic I won't be buying it. I would imagine by reading the comments section on this site since the news of the new system was announced many others will join me in leaving Nintendo. Could be a great move from nintendo or a complete disaster, only time will tell.
Oh please, the Wii U isn't innovative, it's basically a DS but with the screens separated, and that doesn't lend itself well to new styles of play. Asymmetric gameplay is something that's always been possible on a controller, and forced asymmetry does more harm than good. If they're going to be innovative, fine, I love it when Nintendo pushes the envelope with new ideas. But they have to do better than what they did this gen, because glasses free 3D and off TV play isn't exactly turning the world on its head.
@Judgedean Yep and that's exactly why Nintendo shouldn't change it's course. Can't wait to be surprised by NX!
@schizor
I'm excited- Nintendo never lets me down. Even in the face of modern pop-gamers clamoring for Nintendo to copy Sony and MS and just sell their system off the backs of western mega-budget games, Nintendo extends the long, middle finger and does what they've been doing for over two decades now- they do them.
It wouldn't be a Nintendo console if it didn't surprise gamers and offer a new way to play. That's what I care about. Selling out just to HOPE to get western mega publishers on board (even though it's been proven time and again there's no market and no demand) is pointless when I can play those games on two other consoles. But Nintendo innovation and unique 1st party games- I can't get that anywhere else.
I'm always in the mood for a Nintendo-style surprise!
Wow, people hear Iwata saying that he wants to surprise the player world with something new and already people start to yell foul game at him. The Wii controller and the Wii U gamepad were, in my eyes, great ideas for the gaming world and even Sony tried to go for it by combining the Vita with the PS3/4. I'm pretty sure that the next console will be strong in GRAFIX as many of the people here want, which is sirloin in my eyes, but nevermind... however, Nintendo always found a way to surprise gamers and that is what makes Nintendo so special. NONE... really none other company like Sony or Microsoft had the balls to do this. They looked at Nintendo and copied their ideas for themselves. This is why Nintendo is the true hero of the video gaming industry; because they have the balls to go unorthodox ways and I love them for it. Go Iwata, go Nintendo and show the world what you really want to do. I would love to see a combination of console/hand held/mobile game world, in which you, the player, can go no matter wherever you want and still is connected with the game you like to play. Like this, the main game is on the console, the smartphone give you maps and side games while the hand held would allow you to play the game in a different way or as a device and vice versa.
@RainbowGazelle I agree. I glad they have made a decent number that utilize the game pad tho I think they should make more.
For a company that said they wont be talking about it till 2016, they sure are talking a lot about it.
pretty sure there's going to be a ''screen'' included somehow with the next hardware. Let's not forget they made a contract with the company SHARP for the next nintendo console ( The LCD screen technology ) and the production would start in ''2016''... So in my opinion it's pretty much comfirmed there's going to be a screen included somehow for the ''NX''...
It should be really interesting...
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/sharp_gearing_up_to_supply_free_form_lcd_screen_technology_for_future_nintendo_hardware
It has to be Fusion. It just has to.
That quote pretty much guarantees the NX will be in exactly the same position as the Wii U. Surprises and power is the way to succeed!
@Yorumi Name these creative games on the other systems and you'll name mostly smaller scale indie games that could very easily run or be enhanced by the new control schemes on a Nintendo system.
Nintendo is the only one who pushes innovation to the forefront. This is how series like Nintendogs eclipsed the 10 year older Petz series within the DS entries alone, how motion controls blew up with the Wii whereas Kinnect was a bunch of lies, the EyeToy was unsupported , PSMove was ignored and unsupported, Eye of judgment thrown away, wonderbook gone, sixaxis tossed and unsupported and Morpheus...well see a pattern?
Nintendo respects gimmicks and takes the risks necessary to create fantastic retail software with their biggest franchises with it. They're not afraid to have some of their biggest series like The Legend of Zelda or Mario Kart with motion controls as the primary input. In the retail space atleast the self proclaimed "industry leaders" like Ubisoft are afraid to make a new IP(e.g. Watch_Dogs) unless it contains most of the industry's current trends.
Dull to Nintendo frequently means manageable to other developers. I hope NX doesn't wind up complicating itself in such a way that it struggles. Innovating is fine. I want to encourage/reward innovation. But it also has to have the horsepower to compete.
@AdanVC
Again, when you use the weak "lame gray-looking games" stereotype, you're just advertising that you don't actually know what's out there. You're criticizing something without understanding it at all.
I've got it. They've already implemented voice controls, touch controls,
enhanced button controls, and motion controls, so what's next? As far as I see it there are 2 options. Virtual Reality, (which I hope they don't do), and none other than Artificial Intelligence. Now, I don't know how it's going to work, but it's probably going to be most likely. But think about it, a sort of combination of Siri and Jibo with an actual computer to talk to and send things to your friends with. For those who say it's not possible yet, many said the DS was not possible in 2004, many said the Wii was not possible in 2006, and the New 3DS certainly "wasn't" possible in 2014 with face-tracking 3D, automatic lighting to adjust to the current lighting, and certainly nobody expected Z buttons and a c-stick all in one fell swoop. Yeah, too much evidence, it's likely going to be something very computerized and heavily connected to the internet, with A.I. probably.
For those who don't know what Jibo is, knock yourselves out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N1Q8oFpX1Y
@rjejr
I will. "No to more Zelda."
They have spammed and remade that franchise to the point that I have zero interest in it.
I will say no.
A big surprise, I'm sure.
"...will surprise people and change their video gaming lives."
Yeah... that's what they said about the Wii U.
@rjejr Maybe he's learning a trick or two from Sony and Microsoft? *hint hint Hype hint
@GeminiSaint Wii U did surprised me. When I first fired up Nintendo Land and Pikmin 3, I was blown away. Both the PS4 and Xbone offers the exact same experience as the 7th gen. Nothing wrong with that, I love both my Wii U and PS4. Awesome consoles and super fun. Although the Wii U is failing commercially, it's still undoubtedly a very good console.
@Syrek24
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't want Nintendo to sell out. No where else can I play a game like Monster Hunter and have everything off the TV screen to maximize real estate for battling monsters (and there's a TON of info that would have had to be on screen). No where else can I guide Kirby on a rainbow that I draw out, no where else can I fight in space on the TV while fighting enemies inside the ship on the gamepad (Wonderful 101). Nowhere else can I swing a motion controller, hit a golf ball of a virtual screen on the floor and into the TV. Nowhere else do I have native off screen play, native NFC, native social gaming community to ask questions, post screens and share in the joy of playing a game. There's so many other examples of amazing experiences I've had just with the Wii U- too many to list (and we're only two years in!).
I have no doubt NX will be just as amazing (and will no doubt have just as many people squatting on it for not being a PS/MS clone).
Wii U has changed the way I play games, and I love it so much I actually kind of hope the 2nd screen is here to stay. I don't give a rat's a*** if it didn't sell a hundred million units and break records. It changed gaming for those who appreciate playing games in new ways- people like US. And that's all that matters. The heck what anyone else thinks. Cause what they want they already have with two other consoles.
What if they do a console that bring games to life with a sort of hologram.
like the total opposite of VR...
@CharlyDunst
Besides the very temporary PS Move, what latter-day ideas did MS and Sony copy from Nintendo?
Nintendo didn't invent modern online gaming for consoles. That was Microsoft.
Nintendo didn't create modern dual-analog controls or clickable sticks. That was Sony and Microsoft.
Nintendo didn't create modern player profiles or Achievements. Microsoft did, and Sony and Valve followed suit.
Nintendo didn't create modern indie marketplaces, Microsoft did.
What is the most commonly copied modern controller? Because it's not from Nintendo--it's the Xbox 360 controller. Cloned and duplicated left and right by multiple companies for multiple uses--PC, other consoles (like Shield), phone/tablet controllers.
The touch-pad on the PS4 controller or the Share button? Those aren't Nintendo innovations.
Hell, even the two-generation-old concept of incorporating a hard drive is not only not a Nintendo innovation, but they still haven't caught on.
Dual-analog on a portable? Sony did it first.
Handheld 3D? Phones did it first.
Touchscreen portable? The Tiger game.com was first.
Finally, the differences and such you're praising Nintendo for have led to their two lowest-selling pieces of hardware--the Wii U and 3DS. And there is nothing from either of these machines that has been copied by MS or Sony. Sony's plan with the Vita+PS3/PS4 isn't like the GamePad--they only stated that such a thing was possible for them to do it easily.
Let's be fair here--Iwata is not on the "innovation" train. His follows far too closely the concepts of Gunpei Yokoi, which was to repurpose old technology in new ways. Now, Nintendo just looks like a company constantly trying to sell out-dated technology for current-era prices.
@Dr_Lugae They're innovating hardware and software? Could've fooled me, they're recycling ideas for both this gen. Both of Nintendo's hardware is just coasting off the success of the DS and Wii while adding new features that do nothing for the gameplay. The 3DS is literally just a DS with 3D and motion controls. And Wii U is basically DS: Console Edition and things like asymmetric multiplayer and off TV play don't really do anything to foster innovation. Software wise, I have never seen as many rehashes as I have this gen. Both NSMB games, 3D World and in a sense, 3D Land, DKC:TF, Yoshi's New Island, Kirby Triple Deluxe. None of these games show us new ways to play video games, they again are coasting off past successes and failing to push the envelope. Even without innovative hardware, they could be doing much better than this. I miss the days when Nintendo created bold new playstyles like Super Mario Galaxy, where's that Nintendo? Because this one just plays it safe most of the time and just recycles the playstyles of its existing IPs.
@Yorumi
Health bar for up to 4 players, stamina bar, sharpness gage, map, signal, Z target lock on, gestures, item shortcuts, frenzy status... These are but a few of the displays found on the 2nd screen of MH3U and MH4U. Monster Hunter is my favorite game of all time- over 1,000 hours playtime and 200 in 4 Ultimate just in the last 4 weeks it's been out (that's with a 60 hr/wk job). I couldn't imagine playing the game without a second screen. I have Tri on Wii and Freedom Unite on Vita, and you basically forfeit some displays and cram the rest in. Once you play with the second screen, there's really no turning back.
I mean, it could be done and if the game was only available on a single screen system I'd tolerate it, but I wouldn't like it. For example, they only flash the map on screen when moving from area to area- I need to see where I'm at any given time- only way to do that is have the map on screen blocking even more of your view. And when you're up against a G rank Deviljho you need to see all the screen you can
@Yorumi Because of the additional gameplay elements in NSMBU/NSLU, 3D World and Pikmin 3 brought about by the gamepad features. For example Pikmin 3 going from managing one of two character at a time to having three characters able to move between locations about the map simultaneously. NSMBU/NSLU allowing someone not comfortable with playing a platform the ability to create platforms to help or hinder the other players.
Nintendo innovate a lot with their core series and these are the things that represent the console. The qualifier is only there because I don't believe "every company except Nintendo lacks innovation" but I do believe the companies that drive hardware and software sales on consoles, the ones that get advertising deals with Sony/MS do lack innovation in comparison to Nintendo. If you think lack of innovation is limited to EA, Activision and Ubisoft you're wrong and if you think small indie games that are also on PC represent innovation of PS or Xbox it's an equally ludicrous claim.
@Dr_Lugae
Your argument about "creative games" is likely to lead to an anecdote-laden argument about what is and isn't "creative." To that point, your attempt to claim that Nintendo is "unafraid to incorporate their new ideas" into their games is easily defeated when we look at Mario Kart 8, DKCR: Tropical Freeze, New Super Mario Bros (the entire series), and several others. These games not only do nothing worthwhile with Nintendo's weird technology, they don't even make it worth owning. Had DKCR or Mario Kart 8 been on any other platform, they'd be identical to the Wii U version. Pikmin 3 is arguably harder to play with the cumbersome set-up they introduced.
To that end, what is and isn't creative? Bulletstorm is creative as it heavily changes how FPS titles are played. Fallout games are creative in how players are allowed to proceed in their own ways. Ratchet & Clank: All4One is creative as a multiplayer action-platformer.
What you're doing is special pleading. "Nintendo is special because Nintendo." Meanwhile, you overlook equal or better experiences on other platforms and talk up lackluster, unevolved, or derivative experiences from Nintendo.
Your dismissal of indie games is also rather unsettling. You're essentially trying to make an argument that "no one innovates except Nintendo, even when they don't" coupled with a bizarre sentiment that seems to claim that if you have sales you don't have innovation. Do you know how Call of Duty got to be so popular? Because it was highly innovative and struck a formula that has worked for a long time. Exactly the same reason Zelda games tend not to evolve, and feature the same predictable story, pacing, world, and set-up almost every single time.
@Quorthon Very few of those things are innovations. Online multiplayer rarely creates new experiences, it just takes existing multiplayer experiences and expands them to a worldwide scale. Accounts don't really add anything either. For all of what Microsoft and Sony's done, it never really pushed the boundaries of gaming to the same degree that Nintendo has.
Secondly, I would like to point out that it's typical to credit the first commercial success with the invention of a product. For instance, we (or at least in America) often think of the Wright Brothers as the inventors of the airplane, but the truth is that there were others before them. For Nintendo, it will be the same. Tell me, how many people know what Tiger game.com is? I've certainly never heard of it. And what about the Eye Toy that released before the Wii? Who wants to bet that 20 years down the road no one will remember what that was (hell, I barely even remember it now). Nintendo were definitely the first to make those things successful in the console market though, and they'll certainly be remembered for it.
I said it before and I'll say it again, it's fine if Nintendo wants to try to recreate gaming with each new console, but don't do it at the expense of graphics and processing power than build the system as low end as you think you can get away with to sell it at the highest profit margin. If you're going to try to make your console "innovative", do it in conjunctions with actually good hardware.
@Bolt_Strike
The Wii is already looked upon as poorly as you think the Eyetoy will be.
The point of that post was to note that MS and Sony really don't copy anything from Nintendo--especially these days. As they are no longer innovators or industry leaders. Nintendo is the gimmick-maker.
That is exactly how the industry--and everyone who isn't already a dedicated Nintendo fan--sees them.
And you don't think the robust profiles from MS, Valve, and Sony matter? Okay then. So I guess the half-assed way Nintendo is doing things in that capacity is good, right?
Hell, for that matter, Nintendo seems to be really happy to copy Activison and the like with plastic toys to link to your games. They just aren't using them very well in that capacity.
Big words. Won't happen.
Head tracking is the future of gaming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
@Dr_Lugae Those don't reinvent or further the gameplay though. The NSMB games have played the same way in every game despite the transition from one console to the next. The ability to create platforms on the Gamepad is by no means a game changing twist, it doesn't fundamentally affect the way you play the game. Look at 3D World and compare it to past games like 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy. How does 3D World reinvent gameplay in the way that those games have? Because I'm sure as hell not seeing it, it's basically just 3D Land 2.0 with different level gimmicks thrown in, there's nothing fundamentally different about the way that game plays either. 64 defined a new playstyle for 3D and greatly expanded Mario's moveset. Sunshine added FLUDD which enhanced Mario's platforming abilities. Galaxy had antigravity which completely turned level design on its head. I'm not seeing any game changers of that scale in recent games.
Only expanding on existing hardware is dull? Well boo hoo, Nintendo can't afford to have another underpowered console with a hit-or-miss gimmick to prop it up, Nintendo may have big cash reserves to sustain themselves on, but customer trust in the Nintendo brand is a bit harder to stockpile...
@Yorumi Well, unlike CoD (since you call the comparison), Mario games for example, always use new gimmicks to integrate into the game. Meanwhile, CoD does come up with new things, but there's almost never a good way of using them, since they never build maps around their new features, and multiplayer constantly fails at balancing, so the winning strategy remains with automatics, despite a proper weapon rebalancing being comparably easy.
Also, I'm not excluding other games from being creative, but "being creative" and "integrating creativity into gameplay" are two wildly different things, and most developers simply fail to reach the second point.
@Quorthon I just showed you how New Super Mario Bros U was innovative with the gamepad. I didn't say said that every Nintendo game is innovative, but their hardware innovations software applications have been applied to several of their best selling titles in recent history where other devs/publishers wouldn't risk it.
You've also misintrepretted my claim about indie development as I'm saying a game that's on both PC or PS4 or PC and Xbox don't show that Playstation and Xbox represent innovation. Those aren't games with innovations intentionally made for the platform they're on.
@Yorumi It's just a complex game- has nothing to do with inefficiency. You wouldn't understand because you don't hunt. Ask anyone here who hunts, they'll tell you the same thing. It can be done on one screen, but it's extemely inferior.
@Quorthon Innovations ARE gimmicks. The word "gimmick" is just used as a negative connotation to describe the exact same thing by gamers that are too close minded to accept real change.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is that they did have a significant effect on the industry, just not in the console market. The DS and Wii lead to the formation of the casual market which thrives on the kinds of innovations Nintendo popularized. AAA though, just repeats the same things over and over and doesn't really care for any improvement that isn't related to graphics, power, or online.
And whether or not profiles are good is not the point. The point is that they didn't fundamentally change the industry.
@Yorumi
Here we go. As always, you're always right, and will defend it to the death. So I'll make this easy for you. Monster Hunter doesn't need two screens. I don't know what I'm talking about. I haven't played the game more than you've played you're entire console, and I'm just imagining things. I don't need the map on the second screen- no, just go ahead an slap it on the TV with everything else. Cause MH isn't all about precise timing and split second evasion. No. I don't know why I would have ever said such a thing
@Quorthon wrote "MS and Sony really don't copy anything from Nintendo"
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@Yorumi I'd have to disagree somewhat because kirby's epic yarn is one of the coolest ideas ive seen in recent memory. Skyward sword felt fresh and the new star fox coming is different as well.. Innovation is a double edge sword because people cry for new stuff then when it comes they say why did nintendo change it? Despite peoples complaints for new ideas the majority of people want the same games over and over.. Sales prove this.
@Quorthon
Saying the Wii is already looked upon as poorly as the other poster thinks the eyetoy will be is pretty ridiculous, even for a gaming site.
AND...... There goes 3rd party support flushed down the toilet.
The gospel according to @JaxonH. Preach! If Nintendo Life will implement friend/follow system, you'd be the first on my list. Thank you!
Q, Y and the occasional G here are spreading negativity in the comments section like they always do in every related articles. 'Makes me think they are plants/propagandists.
@SetupDisk
The writing is in the Wii U and it's dismal market performance.
The Wii was been seen as a fad--a hollow gimmick--for years already. It is not looked upon kindly, and was notorious for broken motion controls and a massive library of low-quality shovelware.
It had sales. That's about it. It's telling that Nintendo could sell that many consoles and for it to still die a slow, early, lingering death and to be remembered as a shovelware generator. For a console with those sales, it's library of high quality titles is disturbingly low.
@Yorumi
I'm not arguing other games. Just Monster Hunter. And there is no comparable game, because Monster Hunter is so intense in battle you you're playing based on muscle memory. And for a fact I know I've played more than 99% of the people here. You can check the MH thread and see we just pulled a 10 hour hunt yesterday. I know the game like the back of my hand and no, one screen isn't enough for all the information you need to constantly reference.
You must have a map displayed at all times. That can't be compromised. Health bars, stamina, frenzy, sharpness, items, all that is non-negotiable. Absolutely must be displayed at all times. Even just all that is a clutter and a half for one screen, but then you start talking luxury displays (and shortcuts that can be tapped on the touchscreen, like the map, which toggles between macro and micro), and the game just isn't in a very playable state with a single screen.
Poll the Mh thread and see if anyone, if at all, thinks otherwise.
I'm actually really hoping Nintendo is making a tablet type console which will connect to the TV or go portable. Something with a built in controller and also has the ability to connect extra controllers wirelessly for multiplayer when connected to the TV. Hopefully the system stays along the same lines of the 3DS but something new is also welcome. I just hope it ends up being downsized to just 1 system for everything. I do think its very important though that a controller is built into it similar to the Wii-U pad yet the entire system is in the pad.
I will not be buying day one unless they get 3rd party support.
@Bolt_Strike
I think the Wii and DS did less for the casual market than is being assumed, and a lot less than Apple, Google, and Facebook.
The Wii and DS didn't form a casual market for console gaming--or it'd still be here. Those were people buying a console for the same reason they bought Tae Bo videos or Beanie Babies in the 90's--it was a popular fad. Those machines did not create a new swath of casual gamers.
If you really want to know what made a new audience of casual gamers, look to the likes of Call of Duty and Madden. Those audiences are still here.
And NO, innovations are not the same thing as gimmicks unless you think buying a cure-all placebo to make your brain fix you debt from an infomercial is the same thing as going to an actual financial adviser.
Innovation: a new method, idea, product, etc.
Gimmick: a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
Given that the Wii Remote did not have long-term appeal, did not actually change things, and did not advance gaming for Nintendo nor as a whole, it is hardly an innovation. It is fully a gimmick. A device intended to draw attention or business, but is intended as a temporary distraction. Nintendo didn't even bother to use the Wii Remote to anything even somewhat innovative. Point at stuff, swing to swipe a sword. Waggle, waggle, waggle for a high score.
It was a gimmick.
@Yorumi Just because the casuals left doesn't mean Wii and DS weren't innovative. They left because mobile suited their needs better.
@JaxonH
"I'm not arguing other games. Just Monster Hunter. And there is no comparable game, because Monster Hunter is so intense in battle you you're playing based on muscle memory. And for a fact I know I've played more than 99% of the people here. You can check the MH thread and see we just pulled a 10 hour hunt yesterday. I know the game like the back of my hand and no, one screen isn't enough for all the information you need to constantly reference"
@Farmboy74 I think the NX has been in development a lot longer than we think and companies like EA, ubisoft and square Enix have had development kits for the last two years. Development has been minimal on wii u as development budgets have been directed toward this console. Why would EA invest in fifa 16 on a console nintebdo have openly invested little in and been investing literally 100's of millions of £'s on a new developing console? If they've a budget to spend it will be on the emerging platform, not the place holder format.
@MasterBlaster
That's what I'm sayin. I'm just here to enjoy games, everybody seems to wanna rain down negativity like video games are something to be upset over
I just wish Nintendo would buy/build up several more studios so that they could sustain their platforms without the help of the other big publishers.
@Yorumi
You're not listening. Whether it CAN BE DONE is irrelevant. We all know it can be done because it has been. In saying it is BETTER to not have a cluttered screen. Better to have a clean HUD for a game that UNLIKE OTHER GAMES is dependent upon precise combat an managing animations.
Just because some other game is "as complex" doesn't mean the gameplay is as intense as Mh and doesn't mean you new access to all that information at all times.
Again, this is how I know you don't play. And I know that for a fact
@Quorthon And who decides whether something is a long term change or a temporary distraction? Because it sure as hell wasn't Nintendo, they've been trying to build on those things with the 3DS and Wii U. Your distinction between innovations and gimmicks is so presumptuous and based entirely on your own assumptions on what Nintendo intended, which reinforces the notion that you're using it to describe the same thing with a different connotation. If you're looking at the market, that's the problem. The AAA market is too closed minded to want an innovation, they just gobble up the same crap games ad nauseum. And despite that Microsoft and Sony actually did experiment with motion controls with Move and Kinect in 2010, and even the PS4 has a touch pad and gyroscopic controls. Meanwhile, the casual market thrives on the touch screen gaming Nintendo popularized. So no, the DS and Wii aren't fads, they've had a very tangible effect on the industry, though admittedly not as much as they should (but that's more the market's fault than Nintendo's).
Looking forward to hear more about this NX in the future. As usual, Nintendo innovates while everyone else copies and does the same.
@Quorthon I'm pretty sure the wii remote was a new idea and a new method and a new product.
It was 100% an innovation, otherwise it wouldn't have been imitated. Motion controls are now part of every controller since Wii.
Lazy developers who couldn't think how to implement the wii remote creates gimmick games and the appalling waggle fad. It's like just having a world map on the gamepad and not using the wealth of potential it offers with the hardware. Zombi u was astounding and nothing has touched that since
@JaxonH Hunt with one screen? You have no idea how many times I escape death simply because I can use the farcaster immediately in the item shortcut. Also thank god we have the second screen for Maps.
@DESS-M-8
I RRREEEEEAAALLLLLY hope you don't actually believe what you just wrote. That is one of the most out there, insane ideas I have ever seen posted here!
EA and Ubisoft have been working on NX titles since 2013....I love it!!
@Hy8ogen
People who don't play just don't know.
They can say they play to gain credibility, but anyone who plays Monster Hunter knows better. There is no comparable game. Monster Hunter needs a second screen- anyone and everyone who plays knows that.
First rule of Monster Hunter: You do not talk about Monster Hunter.
Oh look, it's the same thing Nintendo says LITERALLY every time it comes out with a new console. Yawn.
@Quorthon
''Nintendo didn't invent modern online gaming for consoles. That was Microsoft''
Well...Dreamcast did it first.
''Nintendo didn't create modern dual-analog controls or clickable sticks. That was Sony and Microsoft.''
''What is the most commonly copied modern controller? Because it's not from Nintendo--it's the Xbox 360 controller. Cloned and duplicated left and right by multiple companies for multiple uses--PC, other consoles (like Shield), phone/tablet controllers.''
Seriously, look at the SNES controller. Shoulder button!? It all started there.
''The touch-pad on the PS4 controller or the Share button? Those aren't Nintendo innovations.''
Share, SHARE!? haha facebook like fonction...c'mon
And by the way, why are you even commenting negatively on each post on a nintendo fan site?
@Chubblings I am sorry but making a powerful console isn't gonna help Nintendo with third parties. Third parties don't care about specs they care only about money. If they want things to improve then they need to make better games that we want.
I did a quick scan of the comments and I think I'm going to pass on this — well, I'll just say that the GamePad did for me what the Wii did before. Maybe I just had the ideal situation with 4 built-in players of varying ages in my family, but, for us, Nintendo Land was as exciting an experience as Wii Sports was. In the end, it has had even more lasting appeal and has been one of my favorite gaming experiences ever.
It's similar to Wii in that experiences to match that initial one are too few and far between. In addition, I think the motion controls needed motion plus from the start and the GamePad needs a more ergonomic grip and size that isn't trying to be a flat tablet as well.
@HylianJowi Then why did you click on the article? Yawn.
@outburst Occasional G would be a great rap name.
@aaronsullivan
It's bad when we can't even share in our excitement and enjoyment of Nintendo here anymore without every single article being overrun with "Nintendo doesn't innovate" and "Nintendo just rehashes" and "Wii U is a failure" and "Nintendo doesn't get it" comments.
After all, this is a fan site, designed for fans who enjoy Nintendo and their products to have a safe haven where they can share in that joy with others.
Now, it's just the slums. Not that a person can't voice dissatisfaction every now and then, but there's a difference between sharing in our enjoyment 95% of the time and voicing concerns 5% of the time, and just recklessly complaining 100% of the time.
It's gotten so bad that even the authors can't mention Wii U without tying it to its commercial failures.
@Nintendobro Because I didn't know the quote was going to be that stupid before I clicked on the article, as I am not in possession of psychic powers at the current moment? O:
@DESS-M-8,
I don't think the NX has been in development since 2013, as what was the point in releasing the WII U?
Nintendo main problem here is they've come out and mentioned project NX, which in my eyes is an to early reveal as it cold slow down sales of future WII U and 3DS sales.
The only reason the Wii U has failed is because the general gaming populus are MORONIC SHEEP.
@HylianJowi You didn't? Even the article's title is full of the same PR crap Nintendo's been saying this entire time, what did you think they were going to say that wasn't the same thing they've said 20 times?
@freaksloan Kind of, but it's not as if the Wii U is blameless. It simply fails to back up what Nintendo is saying, it doesn't innovate anything. That's not even getting to problems such as the confusing name and concept or that forcing asymmetric multiplayer limits the gameplay.
@rjejr easy, he cannot reveal anything related to consoel specs, but wants to make it relevant since they will start with DeNA, i think this goes more to investors than to customer, thye do want to keep NX relevant since they want to make clear nintendo won't stop creating video game dedicated consoles, so bad comments or rumos won't spread
Also to raise attention from third parties so dthey know what they might be facing
@Farmboy74 Consoles aren't made in a day, they take years to develop. It wouldn't be surprising if the NX was in development for that long. Since it's not coming until at least 2016, that doesn't make the Wii U pointless, it's had a decent lifespan.
@aaronsullivan I've enjoyed my purchase, but I haven't entirely understood the general market negativity towards it. Off-TV mode means that I can play games without it being on the TV, and it was nice that I didn't have to purchase additional hardware to get it. I have small children and we choose to only have a single TV in the house. It isn't always available.
I was disappointed by the poor ports from the major third parties, but I've never lacked from something to play on the console. I've personally put more time into MH3U, Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex, Assassin's Creed III, and Batman: Arkham Origins than the Nintendo stuff. In fact, i expect that I will be playing MH3U until Xenoblade Chronicles releases (just started two days ago). And that only because gamestop graced me with a $10 coupon so I only paid $8 for it.
What people forget is that there is no "right" way to play games or proper games to be a gamer. My mom is as hardcore as it gets playing farmville and candy crush (all without spending money) and probably has put as many hours into that as some here state they played MH3U. Before that she played Night Stalker on the Intellivision through the night. She doesn't care what system a game is on, she cares if it engages her.
Nintendo will be fine or it will not. Whatever it does, it will put all of it's creative talent behind. Either people will love it or they will hate it. Personally, I would rather them pursue what they believe than what focus testing tells them. Ultimately I buy their games and products because I enjoy them. Isn't that what the hobby is ultimately about?
@JaxonH Its been like this for awhile now. Before I came to this site I didn't know it was this bad. Gamers today just want something to complain about yes they have the right to do so but not everytime. It seems like they do not really enjoy games anymore they just complain and think that a company revolves around them. I tend to just ignore most of it but when there is someone spreading crap or false information that is where I step it or things that aren't even true. Such a shame and they call themselves gamers.
Even though the Wii was my first gaming console, I'm still considered a retro gamer having the original NES system. Because of that I'm not going to easily adapt to virtual reality. With that said, I really hope Nintendo doesn't go that far with their technology.
However, I am looking forward to a fresh console with (finally) interaction between home and handheld consoles. While it's possible that Sony and Microsoft will jump into virtual reality soon, Nintendo should stick with their traditional mechanics. If Nintendo wants to look toward virtual reality for "new experiences", they should reconsider their options. Companies have already developed virtual reality headsets, so Nintendo wouldn't really be making anything new and previously found nowhere else.
I literary have no clue what to expect
@Yorumi Every company out there has fanboys. But what I don't understand is the way you people think and believe I just don't understand it. You guys call yourselves gamers but you guys complain about every damn thing. There are some things that I don't approve what Nintendo does which is the region lock and not bringing the small New 3DS and even the charging cables. Some of you criticize Nintendo's games but when others are doing what they are doing they get the free pass and Nintendo is the one that gets forked. I will say this as long as Nintendo is making profit's they are doing fine. There is no need to have "apocalypse the world is ending" moments. And people need to stop with the names like "Nintendo sheep" or "Drones" idk where you guys come up with the names cant you just say Nintendo fan boys?
@Tman wasn't sega mega drive first with those buttons?
Oh no. That doesn't sound good...
@JaxonH They can say anything they want lol.
Nintendo sent me a prototype of the NX and gais, it's so cool. I can't reveal them to you becuz Nintendo will sue me but gais just remember, it's cool. I played it.
It's the internet Jaxon. Sometimes we just need to filter them XD
I just hope Nintendo can extract all the potential of whatever concept they come up with
@Bolt_Strike
I wasn't saying the WII U is pointless as its a caperble gaming system with good games.
@Nintendobro Fanboy isn't exactly a compliment. It's more of a dismissal.
@Darksvenn Not to my knowledge. I grew up with Nintendo systems and had only played Sega consoles at friend's houses. I think the GameCube controller was a huge innovation too with the large 'A' button. So simple but man, that made certain games so effortless to control. It's a shame no one copied that idea.
@Darknyht best comment on here... Bravo!
let's just play the games, shall we?
@XFujin
Similarities with the SNES controller are there--which is from an era where Nintendo understood what would actually benefit gaming and gamers. However, Nintendo's Pro controller more closely resembles the Xbox 360 controller than the SNES controller.
The X360 gave us modern form, modern triggers, built-in ports for headsets, and general design. Hell, even the colors and ABXY layout are copied from Microsoft's pad these days:
Do those emulate the SNES? Or the Xbox 360? No one denies that the SNES controller was a huge step up. But it's time has passed, and the new modern standard--at least over the last generation--was the Xbox 360. Not anything from Nintendo. Hell, the rest of the industry adamantly refuses to label the buttons in the backwards ABXY manner that Nintendo does, where the B is to the left of the A button.
For the most part, unless the buttons are labeled something other than ABXY (like OUYA), they follow Microsoft, not Nintendo.
@JaxonH well one thing about the internet and websites such as this Naysayers and spammers can't be kept out so there will always be this type of stuff to deal with. Truth of the matter is. Not a soul here has a clue at what Nintendo is doing. The stock market sure seems excited though.
I love Nintendo but If you want games you need a ps4 to sadly
@Tman
No one copied the idea because the button layout was highly impractical for numerous genres, notably fighting games. The L & R buttons were also not very good. The GameCube controller was super comfortable, but those shoulder buttons were crap.
@Nintendobro No, others don't get a free pass. People just don't complain about what the others are doing because this is a Nintendo fan site. I suppose you'd like it more if people here complained about Sony and Microsoft instead of Nintendo? It's a good thing that some of these people here criticize Nintendo. Because they're actually aware of all the problems. They're only trying to get Nintendo to do better.
@DESS-M-8
The Wii Remote was a gimmick, as that's how Nintendo used it. Even if it was a true innovation, it was not Nintendo's.
Nintendo took patents someone else had for motion controllers, licensed them, and ran with them.
The Wii Remote was created by a company called Gyration Inc.
Regardless, Nintendo did not even invent the Wii Remote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote#History
Well, that sounds like a third device in the family.
I guess his quote "only expanding on existing hardware" means consoles and handhelds, bringing something new to the mix, maybe something in between...whatever that may be.
Well, lets wait and see.
@CanisWolfred : I read that article and see the same line being traced in the sand here. How are they all into innovating with the NX, and yet done nothing with the Wii U controller. You can't innovate for innovation sake. You actually have to do something. And for anyone saying Microsoft and Sony don't innovate, look at their OS, look at how they've essentially made a set top box that is tthe Swiss army knife of consoles. Look at the Xbox controller, and realize that was the natural extension of the N64 controller, and so on. Its time for Iwata to roll out...
@XFujin
True, Dreamcast did online first. Xbox and Xbox 360, however, built the first player-profile driven online infrastructure. Nintendo still hasn't advanced to this point.
@Einherjar
So was the DS at one point.
It's unsettling that Nintendo wants to try to pass off a third tier when they can't even support two right now. I only hope that it's actually intended as a replacement for the 3DS, Wii U, or both. Because an actual "3rd tier" would stretch them so thin that everything would collapse at once.
@Cyberbotv2 he has made some mistakes yes but he has gotten Nintendo profits. It takes a lot of huevos to face your shareholders and the criticism. 😛 Something that is really stressful.
@Quorthon What controller is being used by the thousands of people who bought the Metroid Prime Trilogy recently?
What controller makes Pro Evolution Soccer on the Wii the most unique and enjoyable version of football?
What controller do golf fans use when they play Tiger Woods on the Wii?
The Wii is a fantastic console with a great innovation in player input. The fact developers exploited the innovation with lower quality implementations is no reason to blindly ignore what a great thing the Wii Remote was when used properly.
@Cyberbotv2 The Xbox Controller has more in common with the Dreamcast than anything Nintendo. A lot of Dreamcast people moved to Microsoft once Sega stopped the console, and Microsoft already had a lot of input on the Dreamcast because of the Windows CE partnership. The original ugly Xbox controller basically was a Dreamcast controller with a second analog stick thrown on it.
I swear to God Nintendo, if this new console attaches to a phone I'll be throwing my Wii U out the window. Because I'd be disappointed, not because I'd be replacing it with an NX
@Superstick - Well said.
@Yorumi Look I understand but there are something's that I just don't seem to get. For example Mr.Iwata why do people hate him? Isn't it important for the company to make profits and stay that way? He seems to know the company well and has had some successes his way. I don't really know how he can keep his composure facing the shareholders and taking all the criticism. But he seems to just get up and just keep on doing his job. His job is to keep the company to make profits yes they made losses but he has gotten them to make profits. Shareholders didn't make the decision to keep because he is a really nice guy or something because like I said he knows the company and has been with it for a long time. Deep inside he must be dying right now working real hard just to keep this afloat. Now that is what I call a leader.
@gcunit The Wii motion controllers were and are innovative. It did something most only dreamed about up until then. The problem was/is that it found no real, purpose in gaming outside of niche applications. Developers never figured out what to do with it, and outside of Nintendo few ever did anything with the technology other than create those gimmicky controls that everyone hated.
I think had it come along when point-and-click adventure gaming was at the height of popularity it would have been useful. Same with light gun games, and certain precision sports (like golf). But Nintendo would have been smart to have included a pro-controller in the box so that more developers could have used it to provide more traditional gameplay styles. By not being in the box meant most developers ignored it's existence.
They did better with the Wii U by putting standard controls on the gamepad, but botched the campaign and probably had the industry motivation taken from them by behind the scenes XBO and PS4 development. Remember, big developers saw the hardware limitations of the Wii U compared to the other two long before the public had anything but rumors.
@JaxonH (and the general really out-there fanboys) :
I know you requested me not to speak to you anymore after I proved you wrong on your "GameStop published Xenoblade" conspiracy theory, but I felt the need to highlight the hypocrisy in your post:
You said: "People who don't play just don't know."
What's fascinating is that this precisely describes the ultra-loyalist Nintendo fans on this very site (and others) who sit there and ignorantly criticize other consoles for all having "the same dull gray look" or "all shooters are the same" or "they just want violence" or "they don't innovate" or whatever petty dismissal comes across when dismissing other consoles, games, and gamers.
It's sad to see that rational criticisms of the PS4 and XBO are almost non-existent here and that wholly invented nonsense from people who don't even play them is almost the only thing so many of you can come up with. In the meantime, many of you guys cling desperately to special pleading and circular reasoning--"well Nintendo is good because Nintendo. Those other guys don't innovate because Nintendo." And perhaps the best, "Nintendo would never do that (microtransactions, day-one DLC, phone games, etc) because Nintendo." But then when they do, you aren't upset that they went against their previous words (which would be understandable purely on an emotional level), no you spin it to "Nintendo doing this is good because Nintendo."
It's an incredible amount of blind fanboyism that talks in this way, thinks in this way. How many Call of Duty games have you guys played? I bet it's well less than the number of hateful criticisms I see against the franchise. How many third party companies did you support? Because it clearly wasn't enough to keep them around--but they're all bad for leaving when they couldn't get sales, right? No, no, it's their fault because they're anti-Nintendo. Because that's logical--spend a boatload of money developing a game, deliberately hoping it will fail on the Nintendo system.
There's being informed, and there's playing a game, and having a proper understanding. So many of you jumped for joy to criticize The Order on the PS4--and I'm willing to bet almost NONE of you have actually played it. You clicked to that less-than-satisfactory Metacritic score and ran around attempting to claim the most asinine victory imaginable.
Tell us again how awesome the Wii U is when even Nintendo is barely bothering with it. Tell us again how Nintendo is such a great innovator when no one even cares what they're doing now. Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Google, Apple--Nintendo isn't a threat to any of them.
It's good that you love the company, though it seems some of you have a very unhealthy love in that regard, but you deny reality, make ad hominem attacks, and the best criticisms most of you can muster are invented complaints about the PS4 or XBO pulled not from reality, but a savagely wounded ego because the stalwart you loved the most is so badly battered.
Fanboys of every ilk always get worse when their object of desire is in trouble, and the extreme lengths some of you guys go in defending the Wii U is a mountain of evidence to their troubles. The company will never improve without criticism--and yes, many of these corporations do monitor places like this for feedback. When you plug your ears and cover your eyes and try to act like everything they're doing is perfect, you're telling them that you'll accept any amount of failure, so long as it has that Nintendo logo emblazoned on the front. I've been a Nintendo fan all of my gaming life, I grew up with them, and have been playing their hardware for longer than some of you have probably been alive, but you know what? I can criticize them. I loved this company and I don't like seeing them make so many awful decisions, but they want to keep making them. If they continue this nonsense with the NX, I won't be here to watch the boat sink. It's like being friends with a hardcore drug addict. At some point, their disregard for anyone or anything but their tunnel vision addiction is going to be too damaging for your psyche and emotional health to continue trying. At some point, I'm going to have to walk away and leave Nintendo with their pile of dirty needles.
Tell us again how much Sony or Microsoft or Valve or whatever suck--all while you don't bother playing anything from there in the first place.
They're really putting a lot of hype into this. If it's that great, I'm pumped!
@Darknyht : I didn't even realize that. I loved that Dreamcast controller. NBA 2K was amazing with that thing.
That subtitle is Words of Wisdom from Iwata.
@Quorthon
No, it highlites the ignorance of those who think they know what a game needs without playing it.
And btw, I bought The Order day one. And it's garbage. Not hearsay, thats firsthand right there, for the record. It's the epitome of everything I hate about western AAA. Go to PushSquare you'll see my post on the article saying I bought it the day it released.
But we're not here to talk about Sony, or MS. If you wanna talk about them here's the link http://www.pushsquare.com and http://www.purexbox.com
Just please no VR Nintendo.. Not that I'm against VR by any means. I actually can't wait for the technology to reach a point where its easily accessible and marketed to the general public in a way that blows everyones minds. I think Nintendo would fall short of its debut potential..
I'm somewhat excited for the innovation.. I guess? I just hope we're not hit with yet another gimmick. Which would actually still be fine if they managed to do everything else correctly. Bump the specs to respectable levels, sell more units. That seems to be how the market works now a days. Not that I agree with that, but these past few years has proved it.
Also can we please get some type of online platform that's actually suitable for the times? The more I think about how low the standards are with the Miiverse the more frustrated I get. It's 2015.. You're online game play is sub-par at best. Something is wrong when Mario Party is still single player, Smash has basically 2 online battle options (without creating a room), your platformers are still local co-op, and you can't even join a party with a few friends in Mario Kart to take on the world.. Fix these problems first and you can throw whatever else you want in along with it. I want to see you succeed, really! Just get the essentials done first before you look too far ahead please
@JaxonH
So, the way many Nintendo fans here talk about Microsoft, Sony, or 3rd parties.
@Quorthon - Dude, I agree with everything you said in your post to JaxonH, but honestly, its kind of pointless to keep arguing. You're talking about people who are here to defend Nintendo against anything. Your logical statements are just more attacks that they can defend against. Just remember, you're arguing with the guy that said this earlier:
"And there is no comparable game, because Monster Hunter is so intense in battle you you're playing based on muscle memory. And for a fact I know I've played more than 99% of the people here."
Save your logic for people who are willing to listen to it.
@gcunit
Um, just because something, say Metroid Prime Trilogy, only uses the Wii Remote because Nintendo wanted it that way does not magically mean the Wii Remote is the best option for the game. It's the only option.
That's like asking which is the best sandwich? A turd sandwich, or nothing?
@Yorumi OK then What? Idk what to say then. Because I guess it's all about the sales then that's the main focus nowadays. I am just going to ignore it because it seems to me that most of you don't know jack about business or the objectives of each and every one. Because that is all that matters is the Sales. I guess those losses that MS had with their Xbox one with the price drop doesn't matter as long as the sales are up. Pfft.
@Geonjaha
That's exactly what I said, and I stand by it. Everyone here who plays MH knows this, as above comments have clearly illustrated. It is ignorant to think you know otherwise when you don't play the game
@Yorumi
I don't know everything about people I've never met, but I'm not dumb. You haven't played the game, and you know it. I know it, and we all know it. You used hearsay illustrations instead of firsthand experience. That was dead giveaway number one. Number two was the fact you would even argue the point, which is so beyond ridiculous to anyone who even remotely plays the game. Third, you have never posted in the monster Hunter community thread a single time. So no, I don't think I know everything about you but I do know one thing- you most definitely don't play the game but tried to pretend you did to gain credibility.
And that tells me you'll lie to win an argument. An argument you're making, I might add, because it bothers you to see that there are actually games that benefit from the Wii U gamepad, and you want to make it seem worthless and not beneficial. Conceding the point that you've never played the game concedes the point that the gamepad actually does have a use for the game. Which is why you're still arguing about it now.
@Quorthon Except Nintendo was the one that came up with the Wii-remote pointer/remote design itself, the original patent and design was a gamecube-esque controller as shown in the exact same link you provided.
Additionally the hardware innovation is nothing without the right software driving it. A Wii without games like Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Twlight Princess, Mario Kart Wii wouldn't have been the success it was paired with the fact the Wiimote is Mandatory and all the risk associated with doing so.
Nintendo is the only platform holder to produce software using their hardware innovations and weaker systems(handhelds) to the standard they do for console and that's why the Wii and DS worked. Games like Nintendogs or Brain Training would be treated as shovelware for other companies but they turned them into quality software and through touch generations approach.
Give Sony or MS the Wiimote(which they turned down the technology before Nintendo took it up) and they never would have produced that kind of software themselves without someone else proving the approach first(hence the Kinect and Move).
@Geonjaha
Ha ha ha! Good sir, at times, there is merely value in the practice of the argument itself. Something like this, that person is entrenched--he'll likely feel backed into a corner and even if he does realize his mistakes, he will not admit them. It's a human failing--better to be wrong repeatedly than to admit error. Weird how that goes.
But, the better value comes from the sidelines--those who only read, and who may broaden their mind or ways of thinking. No one changes their mind in an argument or a debate, but the good ones will have lingering value. The other value to me is that with an adequate enough return, I may too improve my own thinking.
@Dr_Lugae
Man, that's like a whole bunch of SPIN right there. But it's exactly that. Spin.
You may as well have just posted back "nuh-uh! Nintendo because Nintendo!"
@JaxonH That's not always true, it depends on which part of the game is flawed. If the entire concept of the game is flawed in some way, then there's no need to play the game to know that it's bad. The game is simply a bad idea and no amount of perfect execution can fix it. But if there's something in the execution that's off, then you'd likely need some kind of experience with the game (or sometimes just the series) to know what's wrong.
@Bolt_Strike
You talking about The Order right? Here's the thing- the QTE killed it for me. And the over reliance on cinematic flare. Certain times I couldn't even run because "walking" kept the mood.
I actually thought I might enjoy it, but it wasn't for me.
@Quorthon Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it spin. Everything I said in that previous post is proven by Nintendo's approach to both software and hardware as far back as the NES, Game & Watch and Gameboy.
Ofcourse it's "because Nintendo" because it's simply what they've done and exactly what sets them apart from the other platform holders.
Well, after the abysmal system that is the Wii U, I recommend everyone to hold their breath until this new system has proven itself.
@JaxonH Not really, although the amount of reviews criticizing it for being short and uninteractive put me off to the game. I'm talking about Nintendo rehashing. I've played enough of those series to know how these games go, so just watching the gameplay and observing what's changed is enough to evaluate whether or not there's anything new going on or if it's just same old, same old.
@Yorumi
It's a figure of speech- you're always so technical with everything. I'm overly confident, let's say that- to the point of being well beyond any reasonable doubt. And you have not denied it, which sums it up pretty well.
And no, there aren't any comparable games. MH fans look everywhere for a similar experience, and have yet to find one.
But, even if there were, you can't negate the fact that MH would be severely handicapped without a second screen. Here's a link to the community, go post and ask what the actual players think. They'll all tell you the same thing
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/3ds/monster_hunter_4_discussion?start=2180#reply-2193
Gentlemen, as much as I'd like to stick around and listen to how horrible a company Nintendo is, I've got some Monster Hunter to play. Please excuse me and, no hard feelings guys.
@Yorumi
I read everything. Maybe I should have clarified. Ever since I called you out on your lie you didn't deny it for several posts.
And you're so full of it man.... You really need to buy the game, cause you'd feel pretty embarrassed after a couple hours. You'd be thinking "man, that stupid guy on NintendLife was actually right". It's incredibly complex. One of the most complex games I've ever seen. But it's not just the complexity, it's the fact that you need access to all the information in real time with Quick tap shortcuts. Something that cannot be said for other games. Or maybe it can, who cares, all I know is that THIS game needs a second screen. You have yet to go ask the community so why don't you go do that first before you come back telling me otherwise
I'd like a sort of smell-o-vision in games some day in the future. I know it sounds silly, but smells can be really immersive. I imagine a big open field during the rain would be great, but then again I love the smell of rain.
@Gorlokk Kind of, in the sense that having smells isn't some big game changer that fundamentally affects the industry. That would work well with VR though, by helping provide a greater sense of immersion.
@JaxonH Dude, agree with you on every point. Well said.
@shad0w-7
Thank you.
@bro2dragons
That's not nintendo's MO... The mobile space will be there cash cow....but hey we still don't know what they are doing anyway ... maybe your theory is plausible
@Quorthon So you prefer GCN Prime over Wii Prime, I take it? Not surprising to see you opposing the majority of comments I've seen on the topic that insist the turd sandwich is the control scheme of choice.
Have you ever played PES or Tiger Woods with the turd sandwich?
@aaronsullivan
Well said sir...
@Yorumi I swear you guys make my head spin around. It seems like all you guys do around here is whine and complain. No matter how much good news Nintendo gets its not enough then you guys rant about something else. Although thank yourselves for letting Nintendo know how whiney you guys are and think that they revolve to one person. Such a shame.
@Yorumi JaxonH called out your lie, and now you're trying to spin things with FF14 to your favor? Give me a break. Settle down and have a kit kat and earl grey. Dual screen is awesome, if FF14 has dual screen, it would have probably made the gameplay much more enjoyable. But we'll never know cuz Square Enix.
@JaxonH Dude you can't win the internet. Just let it go and move on. When are we hunting again?
@Nintendobro Cuz human.
@Hy8ogen
Well I'm trying to get a Kushala Daora gem to trade for a chameleos gem at Wycoon, then use that to make a final Hearing +4 decoration, which will free up one slot and allow me to gem in Evasion +1 alongside HG Earplugs and Edge Lore. Do you wanna farm Daora? Can get Elder Dragon Bone and Blood from him so it's worthwhile either way I guess...
@Hy8ogen really? Because it seems to me that is what they do here all the time.
whatever nintendo is plannign with the NX, it seems that it just might have something to do with its partnership with DENA. seeing that they are making a new loyalty program based on this and in some shape or form nintendo did say they were connecting some platforms. i wonder if the NX is gonna have something to do about that? i know it's early, but speculating is more than just complaining or predicting if this'll work or not.
Oh my reading all these comments so much hatred especially between @Yorumi and @JaxonH.It always end's up with you two fighting nonstop and then it ends with yorumi asking for an apology. If you don't like each other don't reply to the other persons comments,is that easy.
@FullbringIchigo One of the Wii U's many flaws was the fact it was insanely difficult and inconvenient to program for. Also it having a small cooling fan screwed up potential to push the system as well. I wouldn't completely blame it on the Wii U gamepad. Though I would agree the gamepad just didn't really work for the TV imo because the disconnect is just to large.
@cirnonokoibito I believe I read somewhere that Iwata said there is no connection between DeNa and NX. They simply announced the NX to make people aware they aren't just jumping ship for the mobile market. I think the only connection DeNa will have with the NX is the new program they are creating to replace Club Nintendo.
@Nintendobro I love that you think the internet is a positive place,where no one says anything negative towards everybody.If you don't like negativity towards your favorite company,then don't read the comments or get off the internet is that simple.This goes for @Syrek24 as well whines about the whiners ugh.
I'm sure Nintendo will continue to make fun games but I don't think they will change Video Game Lives. The only thing that will be changing gamers lives is Virtual Reality and that is if it works, and becomes affordable.
On another note I wonder if Nintendo is starting a trend where their codenames sound better than the final names.
@TwilightAngel that's what I will do from now on. I will I leave and not pay attention I am just going to play on my Wii U.
@JaxonH Farming Brancydios atm. Dang pallium won't show up.
@Hy8ogen
VE Cosmic Ticket trades for brach pallium
Probably it will be a system that works as a handheld and a home console at the same time. It's my only guess for the NX.
@Nintendobro That's what i been doing for a long time now,ignoring the negativity and just play games that makes me happy.
I love my Wii U, but if Nintendo creates another under-powered system that 3rd party's will completely abandon count me out. Not being competitive in a business environment is foolish.
Perhaps the NX is a chip that gets implanted into your brain to make you think that you are in the game
Butsseriously, I hope Nintendo are careful about gimmicks on the NX and only implement them if they will enhance game playing.
@Spakiness really? well back to the drawing board for me if that be case
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain, but if Jimmy cracks corn and nobody cares, why does he keep doing it?"
@Yorumi Agreed and now to make the comment i wanted to make for awhile.I have no faith in this man,not one bit.I lost all faith in Nintendo with the Wiiu.Yes i know it's a great system,but only to Nintendo fans no one else.The system is a failure in my eyes,no third party support, weak online features,a terrible controller not even used for anything good except for a map and underpowered.If they change all these cons,then i will be interested again for now i'm not going to excited for this new home console.
"Reads comments". "Begins humming, 'We didn't start the Flame War'".
@Ichiban Glad to see I'm not the only one.
@Quorthon You're right that Nintendo was not the first one, I agree. But Sony and Microsoft went after Nintendo and not those companies. I also agree that Iwata made a lot... A LOT of mistakes, but at least he tries to make it good again. Ask yourself, would it help to replace him? The truth is, the damage is done and yes, the Wii U is not the aw-so-perfect-machine as like the Sonic or Microsoft console. Yet people buy it and enjoy it. I think with that in mind, Nintendo did something right somewhere, even though it was a small thing. To be honest, I'm not a fan of graphics but storytelling. Most of the games on PS3 and Xbox 360 were so bland and boring, yet I played them. I know that saving the Princess for the Xth time is not original, but better than a Spartan who searches revenge for being fooled by his gods. But maybe, I'm an old school player, who just isn't into those new and "crazy" games which are on the market nowadays... or at least, not all of them. I never was into COD, Battlefield or how they all been called, but I enjoyed games like Alice: Madness Returns, Prototype and Saints Row. Still, I am a fan of Nintendo in the first place, since next to the Atari 2600, Nintendo was the one, which I enjoyed the most and still do. The GBA, DS and Wii were amazing in my eyes, just like the Wii U with it's gamepad. I've possibly lost the thread of this conversation and digressed a lot, but what I want to say is, people should not jump the gun when Nintendo nowadays announces something. We don't know how people react to this and what it will be. Only time will tell and I love to see that it will be, because for me, Nintendo never failed me so far and I haven't played the Virtual Boy yet, hahahaha.
Have more patience, kids
Whatever they do I hope we don't have to start all over again with our eshop/vc collections!! That would suck but will probably be the case!
I hope they keep the screen. I love off tv play for the virtual console and do enjoy when it's integrated into the gameplay.Even 3rd party stuff like the backpack in zombiU or using it for bat-computer n aiming batarangs in arkham city, I enjoyed it a lot.Maybe the NX can get a shooting game where the screens are split between first and third person that could be fun.
@joey302 I think that should be possible with the Net ID.
@McoobabWATP Same here. The gamepad was next to the Wii remote control a great device. I would love to see its comeback with the NX.
@AdanVC Those adverts are dire even the smash 3ds one doesn't excite me with the so polite it hurts voiceover .Defo an area they need to work on.
Gimmicks. 3rd parties. Power/specs.
I'm starting to really not care about all those things that people take issue with. All I care about is that Nintendo makes some of the best games, so I'll likely be buying the NX.
@Yorumi They could do two things to get third party back. One get rid of the gamepad.Two make the console powerful.I say get rid of the gamepad like i said before it's only used for map's that's it.And third party developers won't use the gamepad for anything else,they won't put money and time on something they know won't help sell their ports on the console.And lastly make it powerful third party developers don't want to cut back on a port they just want to make it and be done with it.They don't want to struggle on something that won't repay them in the long run.If Nintendo does these two things maybe third party developers might come back,maybe cause the developers don't want to struggle on a port.That's just me some Nintendo fans could care less about third party games and that's sad.
@TwilightAngel Nintendo's probably not going to do either of those things. They don't want to get rid of the Gamepad because they want to make use of its gameplay features. And they don't want to make their console more powerful because they'll lose money on it. The third party problem is a serious issue but I don't think they're willing to fix it at the expense of innovation.
Nintendo need to appeal to the masses to be successful. Fanboys going on about "I don't care, I will buy it regardless" are not going to bring in the wii era profits. Ultimately as a business this is all Nintendo cares about, huge profits, not the relative loose change they are picking up in 2015 - compared to cash machine of the latter part of the last decade.
If this is yet another underpowered gimmicky console then only the fanboys will be buying it and going from the Wii U sales they aren't going to be many of those left in the wild.
I agree with Iwata about its more that just boosting the hardware power and leaving it at that. But my thinking is whatever it is you are planning to do, significantly boosting the hardware power must be a major part of it.
@Quorthon You know, I've seen all these discussions about Nintendo becoming irrelevant in the hardware market, yet I've now realized a MUCH bigger problem: they face irrelevancy in software. Yes that's right, their games are in danger of irrelevancy.
And before you respond with the reasoning that they rely on MZP, that's not the reason. At all.
The reasoning why Nintendo's games face irrelevancy:
People aren't growing up on Nintendo games anymore. You and I and everyone commenting on this site may have grown up on Nintendo. But we're irrelevant in the long term. We can only provide Nintendo short to mid term success. Nintendo has, for the most part, lost the kid demographic. Kids are growing up on smartphones and tablets, or if they are growing up on dedicated hardware, it's definitely not Nintendo's. Those people are the future of the games industry.
This is why I questioned if Nintendo making all the right moves with the NX would even work. That's why I questioned if people would care. More and more, people are growing up playing PlayStation/Xbox or on smartphones/tablets and then upgrading to PlayStation/Xbox. Nintendo faces irrelevancy in software, and people won't care about how many 3rd party multiplats they have.
If Nintendo doesn't reclaim that kid demographic soon, they will, in due time, be forced out of the software market.
It's happening in their own home. Home consoles are pretty much dead in Japan. Handhelds do well, but more and more you see people, especially kids, playing on smartphones/tablets and not on 3DSs. That has to be scaring the **** out of them.
That's why they entered the mobile market with their DeNA partnership. It is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL that Nintendo gets that kid demographic back, and hopefully brings them back to Nintendo hardware.
@Bolt_Strike Guess i'm not going to buy the new Nintendo console if they go with that route.
@Yorumi "they need those customers to get 3rd parties back, but need 3rd parties to get those customers back." That's something that Nintendo cannot due,cause for some reason Nintendo and it's fans don't care for them.Don't know why i know the big ones treated them like crap,but not all of them.And i agree with the rest of your comment if only if.It's up to Nintendo if they want them in the end.I do wonder if there going to do the same thing they did with the Wiiu say were bringing third party developers back,with this new console and then they leave the next year.
@Quorthon Which implies that its another system with a different set of games.
What would be the point of that ? It may as well be a "man-in-the-middle" device. Who knows, a streaming mediaserver, streaming WiiU games to the 3DS and vice versa, maybe with support for other media like Music, Movies and whatnot.
NX could stand for Nexus, a crossingpoint of Nintendos devices.
It could be a dedicated Nintendo Smartdevice, a tablet which could also be used in combination with the WiiU.
We know absolutely nothing about it.
But im pretty sure that we can rule out a replacement if any existing platform.
The WiiU has too many flagship titles still in the works to be ruled out so soon, Nintendo is known for delaying / canceling games to move them to the next upcomming platform, the 3DS just got upgraded, its highly unlikely
@Hy8ogen - Re: hype
Yeah, I guess I shouldn't complain Though I was't complaining about him talking about it, just him saying last week they wouldn't tell us about it until 2016. If you are going to announce something like NX you can't announce it by saying "We have something to announce, next year." Announce it or don't, that was my point.
@Einherjar All of the games in the works could easily be released over the next two years, and most of Nintendo's big franchises have already been released. And the New 3DS means nothing, it's a stopgap. DSi was released 2 years before the 3DS, so New 3DS being released 2 or 3 years before the 3DS' successor wouldn't be surprising. The timing feels right for a next gen device.
@Quorthon - Well I can see your point about not wanting another Zelda, but do you really want the guy talking about some far off system instead of the game that should be the biggest seller on the console this holiday, even if it isn't a game your interested in? I'd much rather hear Sony talk about a PS4 holiday exclusive than PS5.
@rjejr I'd rather hear Sony talk about what their big holiday exclusive will even be in the first place
Its obvious what they will do.
Head tracking will definitely be part of the NX gaming console, possibly with infrared light emitting spectacles / headset.
@Judgedean sorry, but no... Wii U has been a failure ( sales wise)
Wow, what a fire storm.
You know, most folks may not realize this, but Nintendo is the one company with all of the necessary hardware for a well thought out integrated VR console being tested publicly in the market place, and they've done so a full generation ahead of the rest.
Seriously. Low latency HD streaming video? Check. Integrated tactile and gyroscopic controls? Check. An active indie community fostered to develop multi-screen, multi-dimensional, and asynchronous type gaming? Check. A series of past upsets that indicate a public game of feints and jabs on a globally industrial stage? Check. Personality? Check. Peripherals in more homes world wide than any other integrated media system? Check. A known user base for a center of gravity peripheral? Check. A desire to provide more for the experience of game culture than caution might suggest? Check. みやもとさん? Check.
Face it. Their poised for a slam dunk the likes fans may have only had in their dreams, and Nintendo's made enough mistakes recently that it's absolutely ludicrous to believe the're nuts and haven't thought very carefully about their most recent (and grandiose imo) statements. You have to see that the fact is this: it's not beyond them to make mistakes on purpose for feint (really? No gyroscopically controlled FPS on the gamepad? REALLY?), and what's more: they can absolutely afford to!
Look, my final point is this: Nintendo has a history of building dreams out of their "mistakes". And yes, a tall order it may be, but just look around the world to see what they've already managed to have gleaned.
I'm tired of Iwata saying the same crap over and over with a few new buzzwords added each time. I have absolutely no faith in him at this point, and no expectations for the NX. I'm almost certainly not buying it, and him not shutting up about it when he specifically said that we'd hear more in 2016 isn't helping either. You want my business from here on out Nintendo? Start by showing me that I wasn't a complete idiot for buying the U. Talk about the games you're making for it. Do something useful with the $150 screen you forced on me. At least ATTEMPT to make amends with your fans that willingly bought your last console despite its underpowered gimicks. I like my Wii U, I really truly do, but being perfectly honest, it might just be my last Nintendo console, and If the NX is a hybrid, my last Nintendo system. They've always been my favorite game company, I've been playing them since I was three years old. But I just can't keep supporting them if they don't change. I guess that's pretty ironic, complaining that "innovators" won't change, but I digress. And you can write this off as complaining, whining, not believing, not being a "true fan", I don't really care. They need to try a new strategy, because their current one simply doesn't work. EDIT: Those early morning typos though.
Keeping the GamePad around would be a mistake, but I could definitely see them combining Wii MotionPlus controllers (or the option of classic controls) with a VR headset.
On second thought, why stop at simple Virtual Reality? Combine the headset with the 3DS tech to give us Virtual Reality in Stereoscopic 3D! As a bonus, it would conveniently solve the viewing angle issue!
"If you only expand upon existing hardware, it's dull" - Satoru Iwata
"Introducing New 3DS!" - Satoru Iwata
@Inkling With Wii, Wii U, DS & 3DS, nobody knew what the innovations could be either.
These innovations did surprise and all had the doubters and most doubters ended up being convinced when shown how great it can work.
@Ichiban
Basically said all needed to be said in this article.
God my head hurts. Doesn't matter what day, time, or the nature of the news article if it even mentions the Wii U it's going to be the same few people dominating the comments back and forth sending it to H E double hockey sticks. I've really got to learn to just stick to the game articles.
@IceClimbers I disagree with your argument to a certain extent. Nintendo doesn't just sell games to 40 year gamers feeding off nostalgia. Nintendo games sell because they are fun well made games. Not just because of nostalgia. I for one didn't grow up on Nintendo and I just saw the quality in there content and decided to purchase their games.
@AshFoxX I laughed so hard. You sir deserve a cookie. In Iwata's defense though, the New 3DS is not a new console. It's just a revision of the 3DS.
...Didn't they also say the Wii U would make our jaws drop? lol
@Spakiness That's quite true, but the vast majority of Nintendo's playerbase are those that grew up with them. They can't rely on those people forever, and if there's no one to replace them then the whole thing collapses.
@Sanya The poor sales didn't make your jaw drop?
@AshFoxX You win. /comments section.
I think it'll be a mobile game system...
In Japan, the mobile game systems all start with an N (after DS at least)
Soooooo, yeah. Announcing a new one after the n3DS could support production of games on both systems
Nx? Nds? Nx? Yah.
@AshFoxX No, you don't win ****. See that word 'only'? Do you know what it means?
Honestly, they shouldn't even be talking about another system. There may be no hope of taking away the crown from Sony this gen, but they weren't that far away from Microsoft, and if more effort went towards the Wii U, now more than ever in its time of need... it could have come a comfortable second... instead of feeling like a waste of money to people who brought it in hopes of having a system for the long haul. We may still get some really great games for it... but when the company behind it is already working on their next system and even tells you that, confidence in it goes out the window.
@JaxonH
Let me guess, what you mean to say is now that Monster Hunter has shortcuts and all that you feel like you can't live without it, not that it needs it? Is that at all accurate?
The only reason MH needs it now is they've added extra functions in 3U, 4, and 4U that require a touchscreen. Otherwise, the UI has barely changed since the original PS2 games, and the general pacing has been the same since MHF1. The main difference is the games are more fluid and polished, and the monsters behave more organically.
@gcunit yes, I know what the word only means in all context of the English language. First off, it was meant as a tease. Second, you don't have to be mean about it. I didn't even claim my cookie for doing what was intended and making someone laugh.
@AshFoxX If it's any consolation, if you'd have been sneaky enough to omit 'only' then I'd have given you two cookies.
Maybe you turn on the system, and you change into the character of the game you are playing!!!! I think the next system will be just what a lot of people think, a home console/handheld. I can see them still having the Wii U's controller with the touch screen, but it becomes smaller like the 3DS and have a system with updated graphics capability (matching the PS4 and XONE), and also having some sort of Motion technology. Other than that, we'll have to wait and see what they have stored, and it makes a nintendo fan like myself, excited for this holiday season when they start to reveal more!!!
@Sanya Well, it did for me with the Gamepad and the possibility to play the whole game on it to watch tv or use the pc next to it. Now that is cool.
@mjc0961 Agree, to go after the console sales is dumb. It should be more the fact that the consumer has fun with it instead of sales numbers or how powerful the console is. Back in the days, when Sega and Nintendo had their fight with each other, no one asked for sales numbers.
@JLPick I can imagine a docking station with advanced graphic possibility, that boosts the game and allows it to play on the tv. But no matter what this new console will be, I'm sure people will be amazed of it... and later possibly lament about it, hahaha.
@Zombie_Barioth
I could live without it, but I wouldn't want to. I never said it needs it as in it cannot be done otherwise, I said it needs it if you don't want a clumsy, inferior experience.
@JaxonH
You were arguing with someone who thinks Nintendo should go full 3rd party based on his comments on the other DeNA article.
Also to all Gamepad haters who says it's a gimmick: it's actually what's keeping the Wii U alive. And it's the best feature of the hardware. Remove it and try to compare to the PS4 sand XOne and look where it stands.
@outburst
Ya I know. People on the internet huh lol...
@JaxonH
I meant Yorumi. Anyway, I think the main reason the WiiU isn't selling while the PS4 do is that the Wii U was on par graphically with the PS3 and X360 when it was releases. No reason to upgrade or jump to Nintendo. There was little or no wow factor on the gamepad like the wiimote did on the Wii. The PS4 and X1 did with a huge leap on graphics and it wowed the console gamers. The PS4 is better that's why you see the PS4 leading (also because XBox shot themselves on their always kinnected announcement). I mean look at the latest poll on why gamers preferred the PS4. "Better resolution/graphics".
@MasterBlaster well then you're an idiot. Wii u came out in 2012. Guess what year develops got hold of development kits? If nintendo are looking to a 2016/2017 release of new hardware, interested parties will already have development kits, games take an average two years to develop, haven't you wondered why nintendo first party schedule is slow?
@Farmboy74 the wii u wad out 2012, it had failed expectations within those 12 months. Industry r&d teams are ALWAYS looking to new technologies and developing the next product. That's how the business works. Sony will already be on preliminary designs for ps5
@outburst You just proved the point of the gamepad-cynics TBH, the Wii U is sub-par hardwarewise, since by your own admission the gamepad is keeping it afloat AND the best feature (Despite few games making actually innovative use of it), and indeed, in a side-by-side comparison the WiiU looks like last generation hardware.
You can pretty much shorten the "Also to all gamepad haters"-paragraph to "You're right", because the extra cost of making that thing (Note to Nintendo: try a controller that's more practical controller than gimmick tablet next time) is what is holding the rest of the hardware back, and as such pretty much a direct cause for the situation WiiU is in now.
Nintendo should make a console that is hardwarewise on par with the competition with some non-intrusive innovation (Too large changes have proven to be risky) and then make great games on it like only Nintendo can do, the hardcore fans will be happy since Nintendo games are almost inherently awesome, and some non-hardcore-fans might actually buy it too.
@MysticX
The Wii U launched for like 300 bucks and the competition for 400 & 500. Nintendo could have added more power for additional 100-200 bucks on the price while retaining the gamepad. Also sometimes innovation is a double edge sword. You risk things or sacrifice one thing. I personally don't think the gamepad is at fault. The gamepad is awesome. It just didn't have a huge wow factor at first glance. I didn't mind it when I bought one. You won't actually realize it's awesome until you own and use one.
@outburst Well, maybe not just the gamepad (though the screen is an expensive part), but the gamepad and Nintendo's policy to keep the console price relatively low combined have probably caused Nintendo to skimp on the ol' hardware horsepower, and of course the different hardware architecture which makes porting games harder... None of these are essentially bad, but they combined into a pretty big problem.
Virtual Reality with motion controls, calling it now.
@TheLilK98: Exactly! Preach on!
@CharlyDunst You'll probably be right about that. It will have a big hype for it (like the Wii and Wii U did), then it will come out, have no support from third party developers, people will start bashing it, even if it is amazing, it will still be in third place for the console wars, more bashing of nintendo will happen, the system will have top-selling games with amazing graphics, nintendo bashing will continue, system will start to pick up a little speed, bashings will still happen, more 'E' rated party and platform games will be released by nintendo, it will be known once again as a 'kiddie' console, instead of a console that is made for families and friends to play together, and then nintendo will announce yet another console. I just hope that this console does good for them, and people start to realize that playing games with family and friends is what games are meant to be made for, just like in the past with the nes, super, sega and atari.
Let's hope that they get this one right. Have the store up and running with the whole virtual arcade available to purchase (NES, Super NES, N64 and the Wii Digital ones)...at least the ones that are already available through the Wii and Wii U. Add some other goodies to the store to give fans and newcomers something to talk about...update the store weekly (remember the Wii U never adding anything new for months and months, just messing with the store a little), and have the proper games being released at launch, instead of announcing them but releasing them almost a year or so later...have a proper Zelda (even if it is a remaster), a new Mario Adventure and some other goodies and make a good sports compilation. I remember the N64 having 2 games at launch, the Gamecube with 4 and the 3DS with 3. Nintendo needs to have a strong launch library with some good hefty games, not just downloads, but disc-formated games as well. When the system is coming close to being released, they need to advertise it like nothing...commercials on Nickelodeon and other kids networks, but also during prime time shows for adults and older people to see (not just the kiddie gams, but also the adult games), then start releasing more genres, not just party and platformer titles. Other than that, is it true that Animal Crossing is now being held back to wait for the next console, along with a new Mario Adventure? It kind of feels like they're abandoning the Wii U after this year (maybe I'm wrong, but it gets me wondering).
Unified Platform! Games compatible on home and handheld consoles with same version of game. Which means 1 Mario Kart has to be developed per generation, which frees up developers to make other games. Twice as many games!
@XFujin
touch pad was on the ouya controller first for a home console
touch pad on a handheld game system was on the vita first
changeable faceplates was on the game boy micro
then the first home controller to use that was the ouya controller first not used at all you eed a 3d printer for that
No motion control pleaeaeaeaease
@IceClimbers - "Sony talk about what their big holiday exclusive"
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@Yorumi
That's usually how it goes.
Seems kind of strange from the outside looking in. No evidence to a claim? Resort to insults.
This is why the aliens don't visit us.
@AshFoxX
BRILLIANT.
@outburst
It's highly debatable if the GamePad is actually keeping the Wii U alive. It is, however, very clearly preventing higher sales.
The problem is that Nintendo is stuck with it's giant, useless controller. As you noted (and it's nice to see a Nintendo fan admit this) but the Wii U is essentially worthless without the GamePad giving it some definition, at the same time, the GamePad is not improving anything about the system, it's not changing things the way Iwata promised, and even Nintendo is uninterested in trying anything new or creative with it. Ubisoft used it better than Nintendo, but Nintendo fans didn't care because Mario wasn't in those games and the Nintendo logo wasn't emblazoned on the front.
This is why the NX is highly unlikely to use the GamePad. It has done nothing worthwhile, it's an expensive and cumbersome-looking controller which is a turn-off for consumers, and in order to make the console affordable with this expensive controller, the hardware itself is backwards and built around last-gen standards rather than being competitive.
Find the balance here: Is the GamePad keeping the Wii U alive? Or has the GamePad ultimately damaged the console beyond repair?
Given sales, market share, and Nintendo's increasing irrelevance, the GamePad has been a bad idea from the start and is ultimately damaging to the console as a whole. Saying that it's "keeping Wii U alive" is basically admitting that it and the console attached to it is a failure. The GamePad has clearly done so much more damage that this "barely surviving" status it lingers around now.
It's extremely clear that the Wii U will sell a lifetime total well below the GameCube and N64, and with the NX publicly announced, that will further damage sales. At this point, I would be surprised to see the Wii U sell better than 12 or 13 million total consoles by the time it's replaced. Nintendo has given consumers a huge list of reasons not to buy it.
By the way, I agree with you, with a caveat, I think both Wii and Wii U should have come packed with Classic Controller Pros.
@Peach64 Really? That's all they did? Analog sticks, rumble packs. Nintendo added lots of little things all the way. The Cube was the only one where they went all-in on being powerful with no other upgrades and they got left behind for the weaker, massive-pain-to-program-for PS2.
@rjejr
Well, of course. That's a valid point. From the perspective of Nintendo fans, Nintendo should have talked up Zelda U. In fact, they should've talked up a bunch of Wii U games instead of revealing the NX.
The revelation of NX will have massive repercussions. First and foremost, there is now a huge red flag to keep people from buying the Wii U. Nintendo has now effectively shown that they have no interest in salvaging the Wii U in any way, shape, or form. Even with Nintendo's "third tier" talk, all consumers are hearing is "new hardware coming" which translates to "don't buy a Wii U." Even Miyamoto's strange hints elsewhere seem to indicate that this next platform may well be a home console--for instance, the big note of "no new major Mario game for Wii U, next system instead" is telling.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zelda U missed it's 2015 release and got pushed to 2016... or to the NX platform. It's happened before. Almost every new Zelda game has seen extensive delays. If they want to get the most bang for their buck, they may want to delay until the new platform is out.
If this sounds unlikely, remember, it's exactly what happened to Twilight Princess.
My note was initially to show that, yes, there are people who don't care or want a new Zelda game. I've been a Nintendo fan since I was a kid, but I've long since grown tired of the constant, predictable Mario and Zelda releases. Not everyone who buys Nintendo loves Zelda. I used to. But not any more. Each new Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon game, from my point of view (and this seems increasingly common outside of groups of dedicated Nintendo fans) is just another piece of evidence that Nintendo doesn't know how to appeal to modern gamers, is desperate to keep their decreasing core audience around, and that they live in the past because they don't understand the present.
@outburst
I do actually agree. Most gamers are wowed by artificial, materialistic factors rather than meaningful implementations. The gamepad, while it may not have wowed anyone, has actually been the most substantial, meaningful addition I've seen in a console. The Wiimote wowed, but more times than not made games worse. The gamepad doesn't wow, but almost always makes a game better.
Such is life though. That's why I'm in the minority of actual gamers, people who care more about substance than graphics and wow factor. People like to pick on the Wii U because it's an easy target, but even though it hasn't seen success, the Gamepad has done more for me in gaming than any innovation I the last 20 years. And it was such a no brainer. I'm spoiled by dual screen handhelds, and now I'm spoiled by dual screen consoles.
Idk, screw it though. If people don't like it they can just keep complaining, cause in the end, Nintendo is gonna do things the way I like em done, regardless of whether it is a safe bet. So ya, I'm playing games I like on a console I love. If others don't like it, well, sucks to be them I guess, cause I have nothing but praise for the Wii U.
@Mommar
The GameCube failed for similar reasons to the Wii U: A poor public perception grown from the previous generation, lost third party support (they got some back on the Cube, but not enough), and Nintendo's weird quirks made the console look like a kid's toy to many. As the oft-repeated "purple cube with a handle" comment indicated. The controller was once again weird--comfortable, but weird. So it was unfriendly to a lot of genres, particularly fighting games, and the L & R buttons were--let's face it--crap. Nintendo's micro-disks also hurt it as the new excitement of having a DVD player in your console helped sell the PS2 and also helped the Xbox, but to a lesser extent.
A big part of why the Cube failed, however, was the dismal performance of the N64--which spent it's final two, two and a half years, malingering near death with something like only twenty games for the whole of those final years, while the Playstation would see that many games per month.
The same thing is happening here. The Wii sold well, but burned gamers, burned third party publishers and developers, and ultimately died an early, pathetic death while the console it "bested" (in sales only) are still selling well.
@Quorthon - "there is now a huge red flag to keep people from buying the Wii U."
You know, thats exactly what I was thinking this morning. Wii U has been out 2 1/2 years now (give or take a month) and it's still $299 b/c they got rid of the highest price point, not the lowest. There are no dated games that I can think of on the Wii U, it's really past time for a price drop, $249 now just to get it some free press coverage and hope some people want to try out a new IP like Splatoon, and $199 to mark the 3 year anniversary for the holiday. Especially if Zelda U doesn't make Christmas, and I've never thought it would be out in 2015. (And to be fair Twilght Princes did release on Gamecube, even if Wii delayed the date.)
But w/ things as they are, why would anyone pay $299 for a Wii U while Iwata keeps talking up NX?
@JaxonH
Maybe it would help if you bothered to explain why the GamePad is meaningful or substantial. Because having the screen on it shut off completely for DKCR, or having it contribute nothing to Mario Kart 8 would seem to indicate the exact opposite of a meaningful or substantial addition to gaming.
Your assumption that there is nothing of substance or meaning outside of Nintendo or the GamePad does not paint you in a positive light. At best it makes you look incredibly ignorant. At worst, like a raving fanboy.
I doubt I'm the only person even on this site to have played games like Mass Effect or Fallout, what have you, where I sincerely cared about my actions and how it would affect characters within the game world. You act like that kind of thing isn't meaningful? That's blatant ignorance. When Tali died in my ME3 playthrough, I was aghast. She was one of my favorite characters--in gaming. When Dom died in Gears of War 3, I just stared at the screen in shock, and my girlfriend walked away. These are games, characters, and stories where players can become emotionally invested.
And that's not meaningful or substantial to you. Because Nintendo.
@rjejr That's why they need to have a Nintendo Direct asap. The Splatoon press event diverted some attention, but it's not enough.
@JaxonH - I have to admit the Gamepad has grown on me, not so much for gaming - I really wish it had a map in Hyrule Warriors so I could see the people in trouble - but just being able to start up the system or turn it off while other people are either gaming on the PS3 or watching tv - like it's exactly the time for a show to start and I'm finishing up a level.
One thing the Gamepad really needs though is an eject button. That button is just too tiny on the Wii U, and I'm too old and crickety to bend over and look for it. For 6 years my PS3 has had the disc sticking out just waiting for me to grab (not the new slide cover, that just sucks). I like my Wii U, but I hate that indented black on black eject button. Though maybe they did it on purpose to make me go all digital?
@IceClimbers - It's times like this where I really wish they would do away w/ Nintnedo Direct and just announce things like normal people. It's ok to do a big E3 thing, that's what E3 is for, but between Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and sites like this spreading the word of press releases, they should just tell us stuff as they know it. Game vids, release dates, price drops, anything new, when they know it they should just tell us. We live in a "now" world, you can't hold peoples attention between ND's every 2 or 3 months. The 4 or 5 new things they cover each direct they could announce 1 a week and people would always be paying attention and thinking about the Wii U and 3DS. The gaps are just to long.
@rjejr
Oh I completely agree. Right now, the Wii U is only $50 less than the XBO, and to the average gamer/consumer, it's a generation behind and has "no games." So say I have $500 and am looking to get a new game console. For $50 more, I can get a machine that's substantially more powerful, has a huge shelf in the store (say, Best Buy), and is of a brand I now associate with gaming--Xbox. For $100 more, I can get a PS4, which looks equally impressive and has more games. And hey, as Average Joe consumer, I remember how much I loved my PS2 back in the day.
In the meantime, I can't tell if the Nintendo thing is new or not. It's still called "Wii" and I remember that for casual party games. Is the "U" just a controller add-on for the Wii? That console had a lot of add-ons, so it could be. The guy in the store said there's a New 3DS, but that it's just another 3DS, so maybe the Wii U is just another Wii? When I finally understand that it's a new console, the shelf of available games is really small compared to the Xbox One, which is only $50 more, and the Xbox One and Playstation 4 are way more powerful. The Wii U one can't even play Blu-Ray movies?
This sounds like I may just be making this up, but I'm basing it around my mercifully brief periods in retail working at Best Buy and GameStop where selling games and talking to people about them was something I generally enjoyed. I learned that consumers care a lot about things like streaming services and Blu-Ray/DVD players being built into the consoles. They care about hardware power. A shelf full of games looks like more bang for your buck than a small one devoid of new titles. On the Wii U shelf, they'll see two Call of Duty games most consumers played on X360 and PS3. On the XBO and PS4, they'll see Advanced Warfare and the new Battlefield. It makes the Wii U look like it has no new games (which it kind of doesn't).
The Wii U should be $200 right now, the 3DS should be $150, and not a penny more for either. Yes, Nintendo would lose some money, but they'd get loads more sales and they'd move some stock. But with the prices where they are, Iwata refusing to lower them, and the NX now announced, the Wii U just doesn't look like a valuable deal.
@Quorthon
As I said, it's best if you didn't reply to my posts. I come here to share in the joy of playing Nintendo games with other like minded fans, not argue about why I like something.
But I'll answer you this once- I like the gamepad because I've never enjoyed a golf game so much as Wii Sports Club golf- one of the funnest games with friends who golf I've ever played. I like the dual screen action in Wonderful 101, flying a space ship on TV while combatting aliens inside the ship on the gamepad. I like managing multiple characters at once in Pikmin 3- I can get more done that way and I like how the legend map shows on the gamepad with a satellite view on the TV as you pan. I like playing Monster Hunter with a clean screen ad item shortcuts (like max potions and far casters which I don't have time to cycle thru item list for at that crucial moment). I like playing Zelda with a map and quick tap inventory on the touch screen, just as I like it on 3DS.
I like designing stages by drawing them in Smash, and I love games like Tipping Stars and Rainbow Curse that just wouldn't work without the gamepad. I like playing with my own screen in Sonic Transformed, and the Murphy levels in Rayman Legends. I like using the gamepad as a first person window in games like Captain Toad and ZombiU. I like continuing to play when I go to the restroom or downstairs, and I like hand writing notes on Miiverse. There are many other examples of things I like, but I don't have time to list them all. Those are but a few.
Frankly, I love video games and most of my fun comes from Nintendo. I come here to share in that excitement. If a person doesn't like what Nintedo does, or their games and consoles, fine, but let us enjoy it in peace without constantly arguing how horrible everything is. Please.
@rjejr
I will admit that I enjoy being able to just fire up the GamePad now and then for a quick look into the Wii U without the TV or anything, but I don't think that makes it worth the cost and hassles.
There might even be a bit of a psychological element to this. When it takes me a couple steps to fire up my PS4 (change TV channel, hit right setting on my receiver), it makes turning it on feel like it's kind of a big deal and that I should be doing something more substantial with it. So I'll sit and play for a while.
But when I can just fire up the GamePad, check a couple things, then shut it off, just as easily--on a slightly psychological level--I have the impression that it's not such a big deal that I want to play it.
@rjejr
Ya, I wish it had an eject button too. But at least the manual eject is visible. I get so frustrated with the PS4 manual power and eject buttons- they're the size of a BB. But most of the time I can eject or power in from the controller so it's not an issue.
Two things that would make Wii U controllers perfect- an eject button on Gamepad (or in menu eject) and a headphone jack on Pro Controller. Oh well, gotta take the good with the bad...
@Quorthon
And btw, and never said there was nothing of substance outside of Nintendo. You said that. I simply said Nintendo is of substance. That remark has nothing to do with anything else. You forget I own a PS4 and X1. If there was nothing of substance, I'd never have bought them.
If you don't like Nintendo or the Wii U, fine. But are we seriously gonna have to listen to you bash them and tell a how horrible they are for the entire 6 years of this generation? Say something once, don't repeat it for years and years. Ok, you disapprove of Nintendo, the Wii U, the gamepad, etc. Duly noted. Now, can the rest of us share in our enjoyment without hearing that parroted for years to come?
@JaxonH
You have explained points why you personally like it. That's fine. You said it was substantial and meaningful, and you did not really spell that out. Particularly not the substantial part. The GamePad has offered small elements that make using the console itself easier in many regards, but as you illustrated, it has done very little--if anything--of note for gaming. Frankly, the things you're talking about--micromanaging in Pikmin 3, dual-screens for Wonderful 101 (I'm glad at least one other person bought that one), etc. These things could very easily be done on any piece of hardware. You'd just have both screens on the TV where it's easier to see.
Frankly, I think it's sad that you only want to be surrounded by like-mined yes-men who always agree with you on everything. It smacks of being afraid to face change or challenges--and it reminds me of George W. Bush, who (opposite his father) filled his cabinet with idiot yes-men who always agreed with him, thus making him look worse when there was no one there to say, "yeah, this is a stupid idea." Or George Lucas, who was clearly not surrounded by people who would disagree with him, and bam, Jar-Jar.
If you want a site where everyone agrees fully and everyone thinks the same, like some kind of super-communist dystopia/utopia (depending on your view), then go make a site called "Yes Nintendo" where you can make sure there is nary a criticism in sight.
But for those of us who truly love, well, anything, we understand that criticism is not only healthy, but important. Following blindly and surrounding ourselves with yes-men sounds fun and easy, but it also sounds hollow, pointless, and vacuous. We learn from criticism. We grow from criticism. That is part of humanity. You, it seems, would want to see Nintendo fail--because everything they do is perfect and you will never raise a critical eyebrow to any of their decisions, so when they make mistakes, you'll spin apologetics and say it's good rather than calling them on their BS.
The critics here seem to be the most ardent gamers and the biggest Nintendo fans. The people who would prefer to see the company stop making stupid decisions rather than spin them to claim they're good. You guys who just sit there and swallow whatever Nintendo is doing without a care in the world--you clearly want them to fail. Even if you don't realize it.
What does Iwata have to do to make you raise a criticism? Many of the fanboy ilk, and yes, I think it's pretty safe to say you fall well in there given the content of your posts, have said "Nintendo would never do day-one DLC, Nintendo would never do microtransactions, Nintendo would never do mobile, etc." Yet Nintendo does these things, and instead of criticism, it's "Yay Nintendo! Whatever you do is good! Let's talk about how good their decisions are!" Every decision a company or person makes has pros and cons, often in a very unbalanced manner.
There is no good reason to ignore the cons. You want to pretend any critic is just some faceless internet "Nintendo hater." You could not be more wrong.
You don't want me responding to your posts because you cannot handle differing views.
By the way, nice attempt at spin. Fair enough, I'll say, perhaps you didn't mean nothing else is of substance. So then what was the point of your comment other than to imply that very note?
I also rarely say anything of my personal opinion of the Wii U, Nintendo, or the GamePad. I have noted how each of these things fared in the industry as a whole and to consumers in general. My personal opinion is irrelevant, and indeed, when I do note it, I tend to note that is is exactly that a personal opinion/anecdote which is to be taken with a grain of salt.
@Quorthon - "I can't tell if the Nintendo thing is new or not."
That's only funny b/c it's true.
Though really at this point I do think that anyone who has heard of Wii U has figured it out, Wii U is a new console, it just isn't a new console they need to spend $300 on. Wii still gets Just Dance and Skylanders and all the Lego games, and they already have SSB and Mario Kart and Wii Sports. Gamers are willing to spend $400 a new console for a prettier Madden, FIFA and COD, the casuals who bought 80mil Wii (20m Wii were bought by Nitnedo gamers) won't buy a new console w/o a good reason. $200 and Disney Infinity 3.0 and Skylanders 5 NOT being on Wii might be a good enough reason. Mario Party 10 w/ amiibo might even help, if it were $200 and amiibo weren't only available via eBay.
So I think "people don't know what Wii U is" is an outdated notion. I think consumers do know, it's a $300 console that plays all the games they already play on the Wii they bought 9 years ago for $250. No need to buy a new one yet. Casuals don't care about Hyrule Warriors, W101, Pikmin 3 or Bayonetta. People who do bought 10mil Wii U, same amount sold as Xbox One.
@JaxonH - I was so sure you were going to tell me to stop being old and just get off of my butt and go get the disc To bad about PS4, but I honestly never use those buttons on my PS3 unless it freezes. I do like that the Gamepad can power on the Wii U w/ the big Home button rather than power. I don't mind hitting power to turn it off, I already have it in my hand.
@rjejr Wasn't removing the middle man, the press, the whole point of Nintendo Direct in the first place? While having bits of news every week may seem like a good idea, it doesn't get enough attention that way - the Xenoblade Chronicles X tweets and Splatoon Tumblr posts are evidence of this. Directs may take time to show up, but they grab people's attention and trend on social media.
Also, shots fired towards Sony!
@Quorthon - Oh yeah, I forgot I use the Gamepad every week just to check the weekly eShop update. I figure there's no point in turning on my 52" tv and 5.1 surround sound for that. And I'll also use it to check the internet occasionally. If the connection worked out of my basement (I live in a 2 story house w/ the basement being the main living room) I'd probably use it a lot more. My biggest Gamepad disappointment is they made a separate portable tablet that only reaches 10' from the tv. It might as well be wired so the battery doesn't die every other time I play.
@Quorthon
I still don't see why would someone say the gamepad damaged the Wii U. The problem with the Wii is that it didn't include the CCPro. The Wii U gamepad is basically a pro controller with gyro and a touchscreen attached. Pikmin 3 and Kirby U uses it the best IMO more than Zombi U and Rayman.
And are you blaming early Wii U adopters for not supporting Ubisoft's ZombiU? Zombi U bombed because it's a horror game. If there is to blame, it's Ubisoft themselves. They should have gone with Rayman Legends at launch as exclusive then announced it's going multiplat 9 months later.
@Quorthon
No, I'm just tired of hearing the same old crap. It's not differing views that bother me- @rjejr and I rarely agree. But he's here because he loves and enjoys Nintendo. It's the reason why you're here- you're not here because you like Nintendo and wanna talk to others about something you're all enjoying together. You treat this site like the the gaming politics and debate club.
I'm not here for that. I'm here to talk to there who enjoy this hobby of Nintedo gaming as much as I do. It's a FAN SITE. You know, for fans. Differences of opinion come and go- constant degrading and attacking though? That's not what we're here for. They don't tolerate that crap on pushsquare and they shouldn't here either. Someone comes to that site just to rag on PS4 they'll tell em to get lost.
@IceClimbers - I'd argue the NDs take too much attention away from the other news. Nobody cares about the opening acti when you are waiting for the headliner. If Nintned announced "no more NDs" then people would pay more attention to Youtube, Twitter and Facebook.
Of course Ninteodo would still need to release news, and that's not their strong point. Except for Pokemon, once a new mainstream Pokemon title is announced it's a constant stream of updates for months on end.
@rjejr I think the communication problems are mostly NoA and NoE issues. I don't know if it is a control issue (well it probably is a control issue), but they seem to have their hands tied a lot more than NoJ does. Just look at the steady stream of crap coming out in Japan about Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles the past few months.
Jeez, people! 320 comments?!
Despite what NintendoLife says, I thought the Wii U gamepad was a great peice of technology that makes the plan and boring ps4 and X1 controllers seem old and dull. The Nintendo NX will be a cool system if Nintendo allows use of the wii remote, wii u gamepad, and something new and exciting! Also, make the system as powerful as the competitions, just so we can get some third party support again.
It seems early for a console, I suspect this will be something else entirely. Not a wii U or 3DS replacement, but a third tool entirely. At first I thought maybe something along the lines of a tablet, but now I suspect the family is getting one more device entirely.
@Quorthon : Nintendo admitting to the development of a new platform has essentially sealed the deal on the Wii U. As each day goes by, they lose more on the Wii U. What incentive does any honest Wii U owner have to purchase a game on a dying console? And to add to the problem, by ceasing any further reward system until the fall, they have set the console up for failure. WhAt are they doing?
@Darknyht - Thats not lost on me, Japan as a whole always seems to get more game news, seems like they have more tv and magazine coverage over there and Nintnedo has more acceptance, it's not just the "kiddie console company". They always seem to have more commercials as well.
Who knows, it could just be a money issue, cheaper over there to advertise, or it might just be Reggie, at least in the US. I forget NoE exists
@outburst
The Pad damaged the Wii U in that it kept manufacturing costs high which kept the sale price higher than it should have been. Anyone who didn't want the Gamepad then just saw a relatively underpowered, overpriced machine.
Oh and Rayman Legends wasn't anywhere near ready for launch. They launched Zombiu because it was ready and because they believed Nintendo when they said they were going after (for want of a better word) 'core' gamers. They launched a New IP with the machine that actually used the Gamepad. Nintendo got behind it and even put it in a bundle. They couldn't have done much more. It flopping is down to people not buying it
Honestly, it could even be something on the PC front for streaming games. I'd read online, I think it may have been this site the speculation of a streaming system for PCs, Mobiles etc. It wouldn't make the wii U or 3DS irrelevant as they would still be needed, and it would certainly be a gamechanger.
@VeeFlamesNL most of them are from Quorthon
@IceClimbers
I had to do a moment of searching to get to this. I generally stop heading into a conversation after the article drops a few days old as I think prolonging some becomes tedious and time consuming.
So, it was nothing personal. I try not to do that.
But, while you wanted to skip the MZP problem, I think that is a huge issue in the software irrelevance as well. Simply put: Consumers see the same things from Nintendo on every platform that they see literally every generation and on every platform now--there is always too many Mario games, there is always multiple Zelda titles, and there is always Pokemon. For the adults out there, they enjoy the occasional nostalgia, but as adults, they want something new. When we see Nintendo making the same games every generation, it makes them look unable to grow.
Now, on to your point, I totally agree. For all the flack Nintendo gets as a "kiddie" console, there is some element of truth there (even the adult Nintendo fans seem to want the cartoony games)--Nintendo doesn't matter to kids. And it's not just Nintendo failing to appeal to them, but also failing to appeal to the adult gamers. I'm an adult. I'm a parent. I have a kid. He has a 2DS, but he's not interested in Nintendo's stalwarts. He has Civilization: Revolution and Lego Battles and Goldeneye and seems to enjoy that stuff a lot more than any of Nintendo's core titles.
But, as a parent, I influence some of the things he ends up liking. When Nintendo isn't appealing to me, then there's an automatic cut-off to my kid. He loves Smash Bros, we tend to look for games we can co-op. Recently, I bought Helldivers on the PS4, and that's a lot of fun, and it looks like it's going to give us a lot of co-op gaming. Previously he and I played Ratchet & Clank: All4One, Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, three EDF games, Centipede: Infestation, and he always wants to play Injustice. Oh, and Lego Indiana Jones, which were the only Lego games I was willing to play. He'd played Lego Star Wars so much that I was tired of looking at it. What you'll notice here is that I have picked generally age-appropriate games for him and I to play together (how EDF 2025 got an M rating, I'll never understand), but almost none of them are from Nintendo. Nintendo simply doesn't have these kinds of co-op experiences, ironically.
Basically, yes, Nintendo has lost the kids--and a big part of that may be because they've lost the parents and adults. Nintendo is not necessarily the best place for kids anymore--they can find games on all platforms.
And to that end, when the kids grow up and see the parents spending all their gaming time on Xbox or Playstation, the kids will follow suit. So yes, in that regard, Nintendo is indeed becoming irrelevant. My son likes Link in Smash--but he doesn't play Zelda games. The big 3DS game he asked to play (one of mine) was Fire Emblem--which he loved, but he let Donnell die. I tried to warn him. The weak guy always turns into the ultimate fighter in those games.
In regard to what kids gravitate towards, as you touched upon, Nintendo isn't in competition with MS or Sony--they're in competition with Android and Apple. I think we're in a phase where casual audiences and the new, young audiences are playing mostly on mobile and they want simple, quick, and easy-to-understand games in that regard. The casual audiences don't seem to be interested in something as complex as, say Helldivers or Super Mario Galaxy or Zelda.
This, I would like to think, is just a phase that will come and go and come again and go again as gaming continues through the years. Right now, quick-fire mobile games are catching the casual audiences and the kids. But eventually those audiences will want some more meat on those bones, so to say.
Will Nintendo get the kids back with the mobile deal? I think they could, but I wonder if Mario is still relevant to kids these days. Maybe, in the long term, when this generation wants some more "meaty" games, they'll take those mobile Nintendo titles and maybe they will move to something like Nintendo's consoles. But here's a massive gray area: How long will this phase last? What will signal the turning point? And how can Nintendo actually stack the odds in their favor that the meatier experience is theirs, and not, say, Sony's?
I've got a lot of doubts about Nintendo's ability to appeal to kids in a way that will ultimately benefit them. And if they don't appeal to the parents of those kids--the average age of the modern gamer is 30~35ish. That's prime parenting age--and those gamers are on Playstation, Xbox, and Steam. When their kids start gaming, it'll be where Mom and Dad are hunting dragons or exploring worlds or building starships.
I don't think that "Mom and Dad and 2.3 kids" family that Nintendo targeted in so many Wii U ads is even remotely a realistic representation of the modern family. It's like Nintendo and their marketing think that families are the same as they were in the 50's or 80's. Where doofus dad and home-maker Mom will buy "a Nintendo" for little Suzy and Michael. I think you've seen the ads I'm referencing.
This crap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAA3RYZ2ZNI
Yes, they also had ads where families were playing the game together, but it's still not a realistic representation of so many modern families where divorce rates are past 50%. Probably way higher if you count multiple divorcees. My Mom is on her third, now. I was never married to my kid's mom, and he splits his time between Mom's house and Dad's house, and in Dad's house (that's me), there are consoles from every era in gaming's history, and Dad spends more time on PS4 while Dad's girlfriend plays Xbox One. The adult influences in his life are gamers. Not the old "mom and dad" of 1985 who are trying to figure out the difference between Transformers and Go-Bots.
I have shelves full of Transformers. I know their names. I have video games. My Vita and 3DS are perpetually on and only ever put in sleep mode, they are never actually shut off. I'm a modern adult gamer with a kid, and if Nintendo isn't appealing to me, then they aren't appealing to my son.
So, long-winded (sorry), but I think Nintendo losing the kids and becoming irrelevant to kids on the software side is a huge issue--but I think it may well be an extension of their failure to appeal to adults. I hope the mobile element works out. I'm glad they're at least taking a chance on there in some capacity.
@Cyberbotv2
They're shooting themselves in the foot, basically.
Granted, they're trying to pull the "third pillar/tier" concept again like they did with the DS, but we know history--Nintendo didn't want to risk the Game Boy brand if the DS failed. But the DS roared to success, so within a year, the GBA line was quietly retired.
All regular gamers and consumers are likely to hear is "don't worry about Wii U, Nintendo is working on something else. They already announced it."
So it's a death knell to the Wii U.
It's so damn frustrating. They clearly have no plan to right the Wii U. They're taking the route Sega did with the Saturn--which ultimately led to the failure of the Dreamcast. I just hope they have enough money left over if this all comes crashing down to go third party with some strength.
I would seriously love for NX to be the fabled, ultimate replacement of both 3DS and Wii U--the oft-wondered fusion of portable and console. But there are so many red flags. Even without knowing what it is, we know full well that Nintendo is not standing strong right now (their stock sure as hell is), the Wii U and 3DS are their worst selling systems, and when NX finally arrives, it will be during the strongest years of the PS4 and XBO. And we know Nintendo doesn't have enough to support two platforms alone, simultaneously. Why should we feel confident in them adding a third, even if it is to be a replacement?
SO FRUSTRATING.
@JaxonH
Oh, I don't like Nintendo? Maybe make fewer stupid assumptions about people, as you have selected to believe nonsense.
I have little doubt I own and have played more Nintendo consoles and games than you do. Hell, the 3DS just edged out my X360 and may well topple my Atari 2600 collection. Oh, but I don't like Nintendo? With all due respect, grow the hell up and quit behaving like a brat that can't handle criticism.
Hell, it's not even criticism about you--it's about a corporation. But you get all in a bind over it. Why? Why the brainless ad hominem attack? "Oh, this guy has criticism. Instead of addressing said criticism, I'll just call him a hater in some capacity. He's here to rip on Nintendo."
Right, kid, stick with your fantasy world with your yes-men, where anyone who disagrees with you can just be insulted away or disregarded for stupidly invented reasons. Do your best to ignore the N64, GameCube, GBA, Wii U, and 3DS I purchased on launch day. Pretend you're a "real Nintendo fan" and the guy you're talking to with over 130 3DS games is "just some hater."
No, seriously. Grow up.
Just because you cannot address a comment does not mean I'm some magical non-Nintendo fan or hater. I wouldn't be here if not for my long love of the company. And no, I don't believe for a second that you own a PS4 or Xbox One. More likely, you simply use someone else's console deliberately rarely.
@Yorumi
Like you, I still doubt mobile will translate into console sales. I hope Nintendo finds a way to make it work, but I see too many red flags.
It's really hard for me to gauge what interests my kid has found on his own. Soccer is one. If he was inspired by sports from me, at most, he'd like Baseball and then almost nothing else. But I remember being a young boy like him, and I was a big fan of Star Wars and Star Trek and Godzilla and action movies and things. He has Call of Duty and Goldeneye for his DS.
But yeah, that adds to my point, kids see those ads for the Xbox and Playstation games, and they look more exciting than a family sitting on a couch while their kids try to sell them on a Wii U. I wanted movies with explosions at his age! My brother and I watched the Star Wars trilogy one movie a weekend for an entire summer once. You might notice that summers have more weekends than there are Star Wars movies. We loved that action that much.
I showed these things to my kid, and he loves them. Transformers are most likely a carry-over from my love of the franchise.
I think he's played Call of Duty at other people's houses. That's fine. Kids need that moment of "getting to do something that parents won't let him do" at other kid's houses or whatever, and I think my older brother showed him the original Terminator movie. Advertising works great on kids. Not so much Nintendo's advertising.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-VCDB-16656
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@Mommar Huh? Who hates Nintendo? Me?
@Quorthon @JaxonH Blah, blah blah. What Nintendo needs is more power, they gave it to you. Oh, no but it what it really needed was power in some other weird form factor and people not pissed off.
You'll find any damn excuse to explain why you hate Nintendo. They've had year after year of people disliking them for one reason or another. By your logic they will NEVER be able to make good again. Even if they released a super powerful console they already have way too many people burned for it to matter.
@JaxonH Sorry, wrong post.
@Quorthon You really are a whole other breed. It's not criticism, it's harassment of anyone who enjoys Nintendo.
All I I said was I like the gamepad and here comes Qorthon to question how I could dare like such a thing.
Get a life man and stop bothering us. You don't have to like Nintendo, but I'm not the one who responded to you. I let you rant your nonsense all day long. But you just couldn't bear to read a comment from someone saying they actually like the Wii U. I asked you to stop responding to me. But I guess me saying I like the gamepad was too much to resist
@Yorumi
Lol? Ya ok. Keep waiting then. Only thing I'm sorry for is that you won't stop harassing me and responding to my posts that are not directed toward you.
@Cyberbotv2
Sorry, jus had I answer that question. You say what incentive does someone have to buy a game on a dying platform? Um, to play it. Because people like to play games. Why WOULDN'T you buy a game you want on Wii U? What does "it dying" have anything to do with playing a game you wanna play? And just so you know, Wii U is not gonna have a short lifespan. They didn't reveal squat- they simply said they do have one in the works. They starte the Wii U less than 2 years after Wii released. And the Wii (Project Revolution) was begun YEARS before release. This is not news. It would be news if they said they actually didn't have a console in the works. That would be news.
@JaxonH
The experience is the same one its always been though, so the absence of the second-screen doesn't actually make it clumsy or inferior. Otherwise, by that logic, anybody who doesn't actually use the features automatically have the worse experience too. See where I'm going with this?
@Zombie_Barioth
Well, if you had a car with bucket seats, temperature control, rear parking assist, would you say the core experience is still the same? Maybe a very few select people don't want the screen less cluttered, don't mind cycling through items when their health is low and a Tigrex is charging at them, maybe some don't mind going to the menu just to use gestures, etc... I don't think that means the game isn't substantially better with the 2nd screen though...
I mean, less just isn't more, know what I mean? There's no way having less screen real estate is better than more, no way slower item access is better than fast, no way not seeing where everything is in towns is better than seeing where everything is. No way quick tap target locking is better than none... Like I said, the game can still be played on one screen, but once you experience the benefits of two, you realize how much worse it was before.
It's kind of like- and forgive me but I'm going to use a Monster Hunter analogy- it's kind of like having the HG Earplug skill. Sure, the game can be played without it, but once you experience the added benefit you never want to hunt without them again. It makes you realize how annoying it is to play without them. Same concept with a second screen- sure you can play without it, but once you do you realize how annoying it is to not have it.
@Mommar
You clearly have not been paying attention, or you're deliberately arguing from as many fallacies as possible.
For instance: Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the Wii. But is that enough? Does that fix the problem? Is it competitive in that power, and can it use modern and upcoming engines, like Unreal 4? No? Then it is not enough power, and Nintendo made a poor choice that instantly impacted 3rd party support.
Do consumers care about this power? Yes, they do. Are consumers going to measure that power-vs-price when considering buying a Wii U, PS4, or XBO? Yes, they are. This is a problem.
Can you do anything other than attack people? Why not address, I don't know, issues, points, or arguments? Running to the "durr you just hate Nintendo!" is not a making an intelligent counter-point. It's making an ad-hominem and illustrating that you have nothing intelligent to add.
@Cyberbotv2 I would guess that Nintendo felt that it almost had to announce there was new hardware to prevent investors from thinking they were abandoning it.
As someone else pointed out to me, I think that there will be Wii U activity until at least Holiday 2016 for the Wii U. Whatever game releases that Holiday season will be the swan song of the system. There will then be a final trickle of stuff in 2017 to finish off anything that cannot easily move to the NX.
@Quorthon I didn't say anything about the Wii or the WiiU.
@hydeks I really think the game pad was meant to emulate the 3ds experience. Games like Zelda work really well with a touch screen handling inventory. I don't really think it worked as well on the wii u and it certainly didn't attract any new people outside the fan base. With the ds I can see what's going on with both screens at the same time as opposed to glancing from one screen to another. Say what you will about sony&ms controllers, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
@JaxonH
Ahhh, again with the ad hominem. I am not, nor have I ever harassed you. I am addressing your points. You don't want me to respond for whatever reason, then don't respond.
Indeed, I am playing fair. I am addressing your comments and points. I am not attacking or judging you. I note that your behavior is extraordinarily fanboyish, and that you repeatedly fail to address my points and repeatedly run to the insults and personal attacks. That's really selling me on your points. I know I can be abrasive, but at least I focus on people's points and comments, over making childish and dismissive "you're just a hater" comments.
Yes, you asked me to stop responding to you. But you posted here and you posted nonsense. I felt it was time to address it. If you don't want me to address something you said, I'm sure you could always start making more intelligent comments. I see no reason to respect the silly internet wishes of a person who posts nothing but personal attacks and insults. You speak so positively of a corporation, yet treat other human beings so disrespectfully--yet demand respect?
People should be treated well (for the most part), but ideas have no special rights. Some are just plain wrong.
@Mommar
So what you're saying with this nonsensical post is that you still aren't paying attention, and you refuse to defend your original point.
Fair enough. At least you realize you were mistaken.
Now, if you were referring to "the power" inside of a different console, then by all means, I do apologize for assuming that you were referencing the Wii and Wii U. But if you weren't referencing them, then your previous post is even more nonsensical.
@Quorthon "Yes, you asked me to stop responding but you posted nonsense"
You post nonsense in every article. I deal with it. You can deal with me liking Wii U
@Quorthon We were talking about the Gamecube.
Don't accuse me of nonsense when you lack the ability to remember or refer back too my original post.
@day
That's very interesting...
VIRTUAL BOY 2 CONFIRMED!
@JaxonH
Who said I don't like Wii U? For that matter, why should I be bothered if you do? That makes no sense whatsoever. Do you have a persecution complex?
@Mommar
I only addressed the post where you directly commented to me. Which made no mention of the Cube, and only made vague statements about "wanting more power."
A lot of criticism has been levied at the Wii and Wii U for being underpowered--none was ever levied towards the GameCube in that regard. (The GameCube's bigger problem was riding on the coattails of the N64, followed by the physical design, the small disks, and the lack of a DVD player at a time when that sold consoles.)
Indeed, my points have been towards the limited power of the Wii U itself.
Now I have no idea what you were even responding to in the first place.
@electrolite77
Man, I loved ZombiU. I was really hoping there'd be more games like that, but alas.
I'm hoping maybe Ubisoft brings the Zombi franchise back on the PS4 and XBO--just with new games. Not some port of ZU.
@JaxonH Just for the record, I personally I find that I hate having to look down at the gamepad to find stuff in Monster Hunter 3 (and most other games). I find that more distracting than having it on the screen. Even more so in that my favorite way of playing most games is in Off-TV mode with the Television turned off.
As I said to someone else, there is no "correct" way to play a game except to play so that you enjoy what you are doing. You personally like the second screen functions and nothing on the screen, but there are those who are just as valid in not liking that feature. I think you can advocate the advantages of using the second screen without implying not using it is completely wrong. If it wasn't a valid choice, why did Capcom bother to patch the game to include the Off-TV (single screen) mode?
EDIT: I guess I should clarify that rule applies to single player games. When playing online with others, you should play so that everyone playing can enjoy the game. Being a jerk online for the sake of your own enjoyment shouldn't be acceptable behavior.
@Darknyht
Well. The health bars are one thing I gotta have on screen. Those cant be bargained because it's so vital to know your health/stamina every waking second. But the map, oh most definitely gotta move that down to the pad. I only check when the monster leaves the area, so it makes no sense for me to occupy space for something I look at every 10 min when I'm switching areas. and the rest of the stuff are basically just tap shortcuts (Z target, 2 most used items, gestures, and the signal which I use to let others know I found a monster- and when I do find one I only have seconds to respond so the instant touch icon works well).
But sure, I understand some (like you) might prefer it on one screen for whatever reason. But the option is there for you to do so, and that's what counts. The game is better for the second screen precisely because it can be opted for by those who want to utilize it, and left alone by those who don't. Everybody wins.
@JaxonH : The incentive was club Nintendo. Iwata expects a release schedule around the fall for that. Right now PS Plus and Xbox Live offer free games as their incentive for buying the console essentially. Nintendo had the digital deluxe and Club Nintendo. Now they have nothing. So, as a Wii U owner, I have no reason to buy any games again until the fall. Are they going to reward me retroactively for hundreds of dollars of purchases through the late Spring and Summer? I highly doubt it.
@Quorthon I agree completely. Another part of why kids gravitate towards mobile devices is honestly based on parents' (not true for every case, but definitely is for quite a few) purchasing behavior. This was interestingly pointed out by Miyamoto early last year: parents are buying their kids a tablet or smartphone (tablet more likely) instead of the Nintendo system. They're failing to get kids to get their parents to buy it for them. In the past, parents would just buy "a Nintendo" for their kids and leave it at that. Now though, they'll buy the tablet even though it doesn't offer meatier experiences - they just see that it's cheaper overall and so their kids can just live with it.
Oh, and that article that @day linked isn't interesting just for the VR stuff, but also for the healthcare stuff. It mentioned DeNA wanting a "gamified health monitoring system". Now where have I heard something like that before?
@Cyberbotv2
If you're buying games for club points and not to play the game itself, maybe video games aren't a good hobby for you. That stuff is a bonus- a nice little free extra (and we are not entitled to anything btw- they don't owe us any program), and should NEVER influence the decision of whether to purchase a game.
Besides. Club Nintendo was free. PS Plus and Xbox Live aren't free, they're paid services to access the Internet on your console (and as a little persuasion they let you temporarily rent a few throwaway indies each month and the occasional retail release- usually old). You pay for those services. Club Nintendo was a free, non-obligatory bonus that Nintendo never had to offer in the first place. When you buy a game on PS4 or X1, you don't get club rewards, you just get the game. Heck, you don't even get that- you get half a game. The other half must be unlocked through a paid recurring fee via PS Plus/Xbox Live, or you forfeit all online portions of that $60 game you just bought.
Point being, if we get rewards, cool. I'll take em. But I'm not gonna miss out on a game just because I don't get extra reward points. I'm not buying games for reward points, Im buying games because I'm a gamer and I wanna play games. It would be like skipping out on Chinese because you're not gonna get a fortune cookie at the end. You don't go for the fortune cookie, you go to fill up on good food.
But, to each their own.
Holographic Gaming, called it.
@Yorumi
Unless you need Amiibo to play Mario Kart 8 online, then no they're not.
@Yorumi
It's differnet because Sony locks online gameplay behind a paywall, but Nintendo creates full games that are just as robust as any predecessor before Amiibo, BEFORE creating additional content for those who buy them. You can't spin your way out of that fact. Adding Mii outfits in Mario Kart 8 wasn't stripping content because they had never done that in a previous game before so you can't say it was taken away. The same goes for all of the content amiibo unlocks. It's all content but has never been present in a previous entry. THAT is the difference.
Not to mention, not getting a Mii outfit isn't the same as not getting to play online whatsoever.
Sony is a greedy, money grubbing company that will syphen the shirt off your back in one game's worth of fees, DLC and post release content (but I guess when you're selling off entire divisions to stay in the black, extreme measures must be taken, right?) Nintendo gives full season passes that increase the games content 150% for $12.
So ya, I hope you do got it.
Jeez guys... stop arguing and play more Wii U! ...or wathever you like.
@JaxonH Also keep in mind that some of us have been gaming since before NES released. I cut my gaming teeth on the Intellivision and Odyssey II. We've seen the best and worse of Nintendo over the years. Nintendo is capable of doing awesome innovation on the hardware and software side of things, but too frequently their management prevents them from utilizing those things in meaningful ways.
At this point, there is good reason to be skeptical and doubtful of Nintendo's management. Their bad choices really exceed their smart ones. The Wii U is one of those things. It isn't a bad console, but the launch, name and first 1.5 year of it's existence was mismanaged. All of that served to kill it.
@Darknyht
And, you're not wrong. It's just that, well, as gamers sometimes I think we need to just shut up and play. Nintendo has done a lot of stupid stuff imo, a list too long for me to even name, but, at the end of the day, I don't care how many units the Wii U sells, or if Sony sees them as viable competition, or if they're market leader, or any of that stuff. I just wanna play and enjoy games, and then discuss those game I'm playing and enjoying, know what I mean?
It's not that Nintendo does no wrong, I'm just sick of hearing about it day in day out from the same people. It changes nothing. Nintendo's gonna do what they're gonna do, whether people like it or not. No sense harpig on about the same tired old stuff day in day out, know what I mean?
You take the good with the bad. But it's just video games, so how bad can "bad" really be? Imo, when it comes to trivial hobbies, there is no bad. Only the good you get out of it. Leave the rest.
@JaxonH Why do people still make a big deal over 50 bucks a year for xbl&psn? I'd say I've got at least seventy games between my 360 and PS3 that apparently I'm renting and don't own. Does this mean Im only renting the vc games I own on wiiu&3ds. And if 50 dollars a year gets me arcade classics like x-men,final fight,Simpsons,and games like nights and sonic cd all while I'm chating with my friends, I'd say it's money well spent.
@Superryanworld
Can't speak for others, but for me, it's because $50/yr x 8yr generation = $400 for online, the price I paid for the entire console, then factor in I own BOTH an Xbox One and PS4, and we're looking at close to a thousand bucks, just to have online access... Screw that.
Those free games aren't free either. They're rentals, and you're paying for them (good money too as I just stated above). When you stop paying the rental fee, they remove the games.
Im not gonna knock anyone else who chooses to go that route- my brother is one of them and adamantly defends its value. But I'm not seeing it. Any temporary games they offer anyways I won't play, cause I only have so much time and I'd rather spend it with a game I really like, and those games I buy day one.
So like I said, if it works for you, great, thumbs up awesome, but I don't see the slightest appeal. The only reason I'm a Plus subscriber is because my Sony fanboy brother bought me a year for Christmas lol...
Well, let Nintendo innovate! While their idea might be a hit or a miss sometime, letting them do whatever they want is still the best way for Nintendo. That's a quite bold statement for Iwata, and darn, we still have to wait a year until any details are given.
@JaxonH My live account has expired many times and I am still able to play my games on 360 without my account being active.I guess we all have a different opinion on what can be considered a great value. between ms,Sony, and Nintendo I pretty much own every classic console/arcade game I ever owned or played as a kid. I won't put a price on having all that under my tv.
@JaxonH
I'm not saying the game isn't better without the new features, of course not. What I'm saying is what you're calling inferior are literally the game's own default settings. Arguing over it doesn't work since if someone doesn't like or simply doesn't use them then their experience isn't actually inferior.
Its a lot less like your car analogy and more like, I don't know, coffee. Some like it black, others like it loaded with cream and sugar, but there's no "right" way to drink it even if some people might try to say otherwise.
@Superryanworld
Principal for one thing, some people just don't feel like they should have to pay to play online on top of their own internet service, which isn't exactly cheap. On top of that they also don't like Sony and Microsoft's excuse that they "need" to charge, meanwhile other companies don't and they're easily making at least half a billion a year on it. That's pure annual profit, so its just going in the bank, not back into their service..
There's also the cost as @JaxonH explained, and the argument that the games are "free". Its a heck of a deal if your not particularly picky, but its basically a rental service, or a plus for paying for online depending on how you look at it.
To the people still defending Nintendo restlessly, I pity you. I have followed this company from the youngest age and played everything they've released inside out. Never gave a rat's a** for the Xbox or PS systems.
Nintendo will continue to sink if they don't come back (with, as foundation) an extremely capable piece of hardware (as good or better than the competition).
You can twist this, edit this, adjust or re-describe things any which way you like — absolutely nothing will pull them out of the dirge they're in without incredible, game-changing, envelope-pushing hardware. And I've waited for the day the pressure came back to bite them in the a** since the GameCube and their cartoonish, half-a** Double Dash and Wind Waker designs.
It will be a fun ride to the end.
@Zombie_Barioth Gaming isn't a cheap hobby that's for sure. I can understand that a many live on tight budgets and having one extra bill is not welcome. We are talking about a fifty dollar a year fee.The reason behind it is bull but at least I'm getting something out of it.I probably purchace six games a year across multiple platforms (excluding digital games), so fifty bucks a year for xbl won't hurt my budget any worse than it already is.Hell,I pay fourty bucks a month for car insurance.The 360 doesnt have the same issue as the one. If my gold account expires my games are still there. I have several classic console&arcade games that mean as much to me as any current game. Getting together with friends for a match of quake 3 or marvelvscapcom2 is still a blast for us. I'd say I'm getting my money's worth from the service.
@Zombie_Barioth
So you seem to like the game a lot... Have you bought MH4U yet or do you not own a 3DS? That game is so amazing- if you like MH3U, this game puts it to shame (and 3U was my previous favorite game of all time, so that's saying something!)
@Superryanworld
True, its not necessarily about the extra bill though, just the fact that they're the only ones doing it. So its a case of they need it, yet Valve, Blizzard, Riot Games and countless other companies don't? I also forgot to point out we already pay for the game, which the online-pass fiasco actually proved pays for the online.
Honestly, its so ridiculous its laughable, especially when people defend it and start parroting the PR.
But yea, like I said its a good value if you actually use it, PSN is anyway I can't really say for XBL Gold. Netflix is almost double the cost per month, quadruple if you get more services, and can easily eat your bandwidth up if your a big movie/TV watcher. Heck, game rentals were what, $7 a week? God knows how much we spent on that growing up.XD
Nintendo is entering the mobile business now, so why don't they abandon the stupid gimmicks on the console side (most hard-core gamers would rather just use a regular controller), and leave the gimmicks for the smartphone games? That's the audience that eats that stuff up anyway.
They've been making ridiculous decisions since the N64 days, back when they chose cartridges over discs. Then they made their next console look like a lunchbox and used miniature discs instead of regular size ones, when none of that was necessary at all. Their past few consoles haven't been so much "innovation" as just being different for the sake of being different. And if their sales are any indication, it's not working.
The Wii was the only exception, sure, but that was pure happenstance, since it captured a totally different audience that has now totally moved on. Also, motion controls were by no means 1 to 1, and in my opinion, the controls sometimes made games worse than they would've been with regular controls. (Skyward Sword)
And the Gamepad... Don't even get me started on the Gamepad. I'm convinced that the Gamepad controller is just there to be different. Seriously, Nintendo has not given any compelling reason for why the Gamepad is a necessary attachment for the Wii U. In Mario Kart 8, it's a horn. Oh, and a map. In a lot of Nintendo's other games, it's either just a second screen, a map screen, or an inventory screen. That thing is completely disposable and isn't making the console any better. They could've gotten rid of the Gamepad and used that money to build a stronger machine, a better online infrastructure, and an ecosystem that encourages third party devs to develop for it. But nope, instead they made their home console a big ass DS, except worse.
Nintendo, you want to change the way people play games? Stop focusing on making the hardware different and start working on making your GAMES different. Your GAMES are what made people love you in the first place. Get third party support back, because you clearly can't support your consoles on your own. Keep up indie support. Work on your online infrastructure. And make good games. Being different is not the same as being good.
@Zombie_Barioth
Games with Gold is a good deal, too. It was laughable when it started and they were giving away ancient games everybody had played or owned already. Like Halo 3. Ha, good one, Microsoft. But, it's improved quite a bit since then. My girlfriend has it for her X360 and XBO and I use PSN+ on the PS3, PS4, and Vita. So we compare the games we get and it's pretty exciting every month to see what's being offered and discounted.
@JaxonH @Quorthon
Everyone has the right to voice their opinion.Please keep things civil. I don't find the hostilities necessary and they don't contribute to this article.
@JaxonH But there are those that do want to discuss those things and they have just as much right to do so here unless the moderators tell them otherwise. You have to be able to accept that or else you are going to make yourself miserable.
What you can do is contribute to the discussions that you want to see more of and ignore the stuff you don't. Keep in mind that everyone on here is probably at least interested in some aspect Nintendo and more likely than not gaming in general, and it's okay for us to have differing opinions on the little stuff (like screen setups in MH3U).
@Darknyht
I don't care what other people discuss. Never did. I just ignore it basically, people can spew whatever nonsense they feel like, I have no issue with that. I just mind my own business, until individuals who get hot and bothered by my actually liking Nintendo butt in and tell me I'm wrong for liking the gamepad, or I'm wrong for saying I like their innovation.
I've never taken issue with any of the those people or what they say. They take issue with me for not disliking everything they dislike.
i really think anyone that says they hate the gamepad doesn't even really own a wii u,or they just plsyed a couple minutes of a game and didnt get to fully explore it,i havent owned a nintendo console since gamecube and wasn't really into gaming so much and didn't play a lot of the titles from it but i bought my wii u before my ps4 and once i got my ps4 i felt kinda like i got ripped off because it had no extra screen and after using the gamepad so much smaller controllers seem to cramp my hands it seems the gamepad is more natural the way its held it more rests in my hands than holding it, now about a new console? its just talk..even sony and ms are working on the next gen already im sure, but im not ready for a new console and i think an expansion of the wii u's power would be awesome and if the third parties come they come if not so be it..though i cant say i dont wish my wii u had certain games that i bought my ps4 for. but i can say over the last 6months ive had more fun with my wii u than my ps4 for sure,,#releasezeldaorstarfoxalready
@FlaygletheBagel
This article has derailed a bit, but I wanted to note that your comment is pretty spot-on.
I've felt the same way about the GamePad for a while. Nintendo isn't even bothering to use it for much of anything--same with how they approached the Wii Remote. I think they expected the console to sell on gimmick alone.
I wonder if it would have fared better had the GamePad also operated as a regular stand-alone tablet...
Please let's stop with the off topic arguments. This is not the place not the time for that.
@crimro1985
Yeah the gamepad has impressed me much more than I thought it would at first. Don't get me wrong, I still like a good, solid controller for some games but for the ones that really benefit from the second screen, I much prefer using it instead. It's become a standard for me really. Lol, sometimes I still look down at my Dualshock out of habit...
I won't go so far as to say I feel ripped off with the PS4. I don't care much for Sony or their policies, and true, most of the lineup is remakes, but the PS4 definitely has its moments of brilliance. Dragon Age was one of them. And there was just a spurt of good releases this past week- I just got Borderlands and RE Revelations 2 in the mail today (not interested in Bloodborne in the slightest, though it's reviewing well), and there's been a few remakes I never played before so those I appreciate. It's definitely not my favorite console, but it's getting better. Seems like it's finally getting some decent games I wanna play anyways...
Hey guys how's the discussion of Nintendo NX going?
sees what's happening inside
(Monster Hunter awaits!)
@Quorthon
Yea, I don't even have an Xbox 360, so I haven't a clue what they offer beyond the old games they originally gave away, and the XBL vs. PSN arguments.
Sounds like you two are getting the best of both worlds though.
@Inkling I bet you're 100% RIGHT!
@DESS-M-8
"haven't you wondered why nintendo first party schedule is slow?"
I know exactly why. Because they have limited resources, no third party support, and they single handily have to support both the Wii U and 3DS with somewhat constant releases. It's not easy to crank out games.
LOL @ thinking third party studios (which have abandoned Nintendo the past decade) are quietly busy working on titles for a console that might not even be released in 3 years, while completely ignoring current generation Nintendo hardware!!! Most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of!!!
I guess we will see PS4 releases taper off in the coming months as developers secretly start making games for the PS5!!
@JaxonH
How the heck did I manage to miss your post?
Anyway, yeah, I do, had it since launch. You don't have to sell me on the series either, if my username wasn't enough to give it away. Started with MH3 and played almost every game from the PSP onwards since then (I skipped MHF2 for 2G/Unite).
So yeah, I've been speaking from experience. I just didn't feel the need to play the seniority card. Don't need it, a strong argument should be able to stand on it's own merit, and its just blindly walking into a potential minefield imo.
@Zombie_Barioth
Well, you probably don't remember but I actually remember hunting with you a couple times in MH3U. That was the summer before last IIRC. I was actually asking because I was genuinely curious if you're playing MH4U right now...
@Peach64
Nintendo has always changed their controlers, which changed the way we played. PS1 basically had snes controllers, then had to add a joystick to match the n64. Since then, same stuff, nintendo innovates, sony immitates, and microsoft just doesn't care!
@jord Are you saying that you only like nintendo systems, but can't wait for them to fail????? strange...
@Quorthon Sadly as a Gamestop employee I know your description of the Average Joe mindset is spot on. That is why I'm hoping this NX thing will be a tablet style device. Kids now play their first games on ipads and phones, so Nintendo needs something to bridge the gap there. I'm staying out of the PS4/One argument because most of the games on offer aren't games that I'm a huge fan of (or I already have them on PC) or they have some unreleased sequel in Japan (samurai warriors 4). I still feel the next home console iteration is not due until 2017 or so.
@Superryanworld Not everyone plays online enough to justify the value. I work three jobs and I'm in school...I can count on my hands the number of times I've been online on a non Nintendo or Ps3 system (because free) in the past two years. If your gaming library lends to online games then in a way it is no different than a mmo sub (don't play those either) and thus justifiable. However if you play one or two genres of online games (I play fighting games), prefer to play with others, keep odd hours, or have a crazy back log then no the online fees feel like a forced requirement. That's money I could spend on a GAME. At the risk of sounding whiny, I already pay for my internet (yes i know server fees). Neither program offers a compelling reason for me to subscribe. I buy most games I want day one anyway...so half the game rentals (from sony) or free games (from MS) are games I either already have or didn't want anyway. I'm obviously the minority but you asked why some people aren't fans of the price point. Those are my reasons. Also yes I've had both at some point. I used to do LIVE in the summer before I entered the workforce fully, but now? heh... you want how much again?
@JaxonH
Are you sure that wasn't MH3 on the Wii? I don't have the Wii U version of 3U, so that couldn't have been me. Or maybe I have a doppelganger.
@Zombie_Barioth
You must! Cause I remember in the forum seeing who all I was playing with and you were in the forum, and I was playing with someone named Zombie something... I always thought that was you, even to this day. I always try to remember everyone I hunt with. Huh, maybe it was coincidence. I do have Tri but this recollection was of 3U
@MasterBlaster wow.
Ignorant and utterly wrong.
Congrats.
Zelda "Wii u" all but confirms what I said
@MasterBlaster wii u launched on 2012 with 25+ games. Did all these launch titles commence development in 2012 or did those companies acquire development kits to actually make those games prior to 2012, having a standard 24 month turn around as opposed to the 5 minutes you're suggesting?
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@DESS-M-8
Most of those 25+ games were ports of older games for PS3/360 which didn't require much work, and even the Nintendo first party titles (NSMBU, Nintendo Land) were very simple and didn't take "several years" to make!
But big bad EA, UbiSoft, Bethesda, etc are hard at work on making NX games right!? Can't wait to play all those big third party games in a couple years!! Going to be real exciting!!
When do the PS5 games start getting made? What about Xbox Two? Exciting times to be a gamer!!
@MasterBlaster you're either ten years old or a grown adult and work in a high street store or some equally mindless job and have no real grasp on how any real world industry works.
Nintendo had operational games built with preliminary N64 architecture in 1993, had the hardware built for arcade in 1994, demoed fully working first and third party titles in 1995, released in UK in 1997. All the while games were launching on SNES into 1998.
Where is my theory so wildly ludicrous? Have you heard the term R&D? Do you think these departments shut down for 5 years once a new console is released? They are put in a cupboard until somebody decides there's 12 month left in the current system?????
Wake up, grow up and shut up. Pick one or all three, you'd benefit greatly from any combination.
"What do you think Nintendo has its up sleeve with the NX?"
Guys...
With Sony soon putting out the Project Morpheous virtual reality toy, I can see nintendo trying their hands at that. I'm just hoping nintendo doesn't mess this console up and have another flop. I really want them to succeed.
with the wii u i don't think it was anything to do with the second screen, it was the media that did the most damage that's why i think Nintendo are keeping quiet over the project. also the main problem was graphic output and ram fix these and you will get developers but to be honest this generation has been a bit lame with sales on all fronts the only one who has done ok is Sony and i think its because they hit the sweet spot with price and power
@Judgedean indeed
@kiigu indeed, Nintendo is best on their own and if it takes mistakes to finally get the desired result, so be it!
@MegaMari0 hear, hear!
There was announcement from Square Enix.
Dragon Quest 11 will be available in NX.
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