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E3 2014: Ubisoft Admits to Holding Back Completed Wii U Game Until Sales Improve

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

"We have one game that we are waiting until Wii U has a certain market"

In its E3 press conference Ubisoft has confirmed Just Dance 2015 for Wii U, the only title in the show coming to Nintendo hardware. While that is a positive, extraordinary comments have emerged from the company's CEO in which he admits that a completed game is sitting on the shelf, awaiting improved Wii U hardware sales.

In a roundtable event, Yves Guillemot said the following, as reported by MCV:

We did adapt the number of products and the level of quantity that we did on the machine.

We will have Just Dance 2015 on Wii U, which is suited to the machine, we will have Watch Dogs. We have another couple of products that we are waiting for launch. Specifically, we have one game that we are waiting until the Wii U has a certain market size before we launch.

We have a game that has been done for six months; it is on our shelf waiting until more families to have the machine.

Nintendo is really coming with fantastic games, so they could – with the right price and very good games – get the machine to start.

If Wii U’s sales continue to multiply, it will quickly come to a mass market. We need the sales to increase so it becomes more mass market, and then we will have the volume we need to justify big marketing campaigns and TV marketing.

This game could never come out and could instead come out on another format that offers the same sort of experience. We will know this year how the machine goes.

We have to wait for Smash Bros to come. Smash Bros has always been a big, big property for Nintendo and for gamers. We all know that there are lots of Nintendo fans that are waiting for big games to come. We know they are coming. When I speak to the fans that come to E3, 90 per cent of them are crazy Nintendo fans. They really love Nintendo and the games they do. If they can quickly come and buy a Wii U, it would be good.

These are amazingly honest comments from the Ubisoft CEO, yet the revelation that a completed game has been "done for six months" will likely not sit well with many fans. It's clear that this is a family orientated title, based on the context of the full comments, and the publisher is keen to see a larger Wii U fanbase to make its release costs worthwhile. It brings up that classic catch-22 for Wii U — Nintendo can't attract many third-parties due to a low userbase, but the lack of third-party titles affects whether some consumers are attracted to the system.

Let us know what you think of this revelation in the comments below.

[via mcvuk.com]

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User Comments (168)

HylianJowiStaff

#3

HylianJowi said:

To be honest, I'm just shocked at the level of honesty coming from a top-ranking corporate representative.

MadAdam81

#7

MadAdam81 said:

That comment isn't bad for Nintendo as its basically Ubisoft telling people to buy a Wii U.
Plus, there's at least one other title as well.

ToneDeath

#11

ToneDeath said:

Smash Bros. will never sell as much as Mario Kart is going too; Ubisoft will just want to take a look at how the Wii U is doing in a month or so. Reactions to Nintendo's presentations tomorrow will will be important too.

Jstar269

#13

Jstar269 said:

This is very confusing indeed. I guess we will know the future of this title tomorrow.

Hy8ogen

#14

Hy8ogen said:

So wait, a higher up person who speaks the truth and no flowery BS? WOW! Now Nintendo, time to do your part and make sure you get that game!!

AlexSora89

#16

AlexSora89 said:

Ubisoft thinks SSB is as much of a powerhouse as I think it is?!
[gasps in completely honest shock]

WiiULoveSquid

#17

WiiULoveSquid said:

Nintendo hasn't been satisfied by its console sales, so it's natural that third parties are twice as dissatisfied

Hy8ogen

#18

Hy8ogen said:

@evanescent_hero You despise a company who is trying to maximize their profits without compromising the consumers? Nintendo is lucky Ubi didn't just put it on another platform. Instead that are waiting for the Wii U to pick up it's pace, which is exactly what Nintendo has been trying to do in the past 6 months and thankfully it has been showing positive results!

electrolite77

#19

electrolite77 said:

Sounds like a hint to Nintendo to me to maybe help out. Until they do or the Wii U sells a few more machines, no-one can really blame them for holding back.

Peach64

#20

Peach64 said:

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Said it over and over, they're all companies who's main goal is to make money. Nintendo would never make it one of their goals to improve another company's fortunes at their own expense, so nobody should expect it of Ubisoft.

Yoshis_VGM

#22

Yoshis_VGM said:

I give him props for being honest, but he should realize that Smash Bros. is not a major system seller. Mario Kart is the major system seller. So far, it's managed to maintain good sales. Only time will tell if those sales will keep up.

faint

#24

faint said:

I hope it's not that crappy sharades type game that got leaked. It was ubi and for the wii u but canceled after completion. Anybody remember what that was called?

kereke12

#26

kereke12 said:

At least he's being honest, unlike others (EA). We'll just have to wait and see tomorrow.

DefHalan

#27

DefHalan said:

Ghost Recon Phantoms probably, I don't think they ever "cancelled" it for Wii U just delayed it

SCAR392

#28

SCAR392 said:

@DefHalen
Well, he said when more families have the system, so that implies it's a family game. Unless you want to consider Ghost Recon as a family game, seriously.

Ryno

#30

Ryno said:

The game is nothing you guys would buy anyway unless you like family games.

evanescent_hero

#31

evanescent_hero said:

@Hy8ogen
They've treated Nintendo and its fans like trash this whole generation, so yeah, I'm a little miffed. And how is them refusing to release a game not compromising the consumers?

ricklongo

#32

ricklongo said:

Well, there are more Wii Us out there than Xbox Ones. So that must mean they're holding back those XONE games as well, right? Right?

Yeah, it makes no sense.

FragRed

#33

FragRed said:

I fear Watch Dogs will be shelved too. If they shelve a completed game then why release a game they have not yet ported?

SCAR392

#37

SCAR392 said:

I just wonder what game it is. I'm guessing Raving Rabids or whatever else isn't rated M, which seems to be the majority of what 3rd parties are making these days.

Kaze_Memaryu

#38

Kaze_Memaryu said:

I'm not sure how to take this. On one hand, he's absolutely right to hold it back - Ubisoft invested a lot in recent titles and it's about time they turned that a profit. And 3rd-party games are rarely system sellers.
But on the other hand - no risk, no reward. They can't just wait for Nintendo to do it alone, someone else has to take a chance, show some confidence, and go out there with the games. If they have a game ready, they might as well release it, especially since Nintendo's release list has a lot of rather non-family oriented games. and WiiU, while still catering towards them often enough, isn't entirely family-oriented anymore.

Or how about reviving old classics? Why not reboot Grandia? We could definitely use some good old RPG action without overblown gimmicks or glorified cutscenes!

SuperMikey

#39

SuperMikey said:

I appreciate Mr. Guillemot's honesty as I hope the rest of you guys at least should. PLEASE GOD HELP NINTENDO COMPLETELY ROCK THIS E3!!!!
EDIT: By the by, What's BG & E2 anyways?

faint

#40

faint said:

@SuperMikey beyond good & evil 2. A sequel to one of the five best 3rd party games on the game cube. If you haven't played the first track it down

Ernest_The_Crab

#41

Ernest_The_Crab said:

@evanescent_hero It's because no one at the moment knows what the game is. The logic is that as such it wouldn't have as serious a commercial failure (which in turn would make it look a failure in the eyes of their shareholders) if they waited for market size to become bigger rather than to release it now.

midnafanboy

#42

midnafanboy said:

Is just dance kids 2 and seriously this guy earned my respect for telling the truth, thats amazing not many people would do that. And i hope the game there holding back is ZombiU 2 come on please.One last thing EA should follow this guy' footsteps to tell the truth that they dont care for the wiiu no more.

Haxonberik

#43

Haxonberik said:

Good they're being honest, and as long as it's not a multiplatform that shouldnt hurt the game too much. At least they have SOME faith in the system, unlike another third party giving a conference today...

sinalefa

#44

sinalefa said:

What I get out of this is that Ubisoft games don't sell because they are good. They sell because they market the hell out of them. So right now it is more profitable to have a finished game gathering dust than to release it now and let it sell by its merits.

This game needs the userbase to increase, but it is not capable of contributing to that growth it seems. In that he is being honest. If this game is for the big masses, then it is not for me.

MAN1AC

#45

MAN1AC said:

I honestly dont even know how to respond to this. I've actually agreed with how they've dealt with Wii U support thus far since all of their games have bombed on the console. But man...how are you just holding onto games and waving them in gamers faces? EXCLUSIVE games.

hydeks

#46

hydeks said:

I dont blame them one bit, the userbase is sad at this moment, but e3 could show some great stuff

SleepyCrossing

#47

SleepyCrossing said:

The fact that its sitting on the shelf is disappointing. Some people are saying they appreciate the honesty, and I guess I agree .. to a point. But Ubisoft has been pretty shady in regards to Nintendo recently and I am quite disillusioned.

brandonbwii

#48

brandonbwii said:

Interesting it's not complete doom and gloom with Ubi. At least not yet. It's cool they have a couple of secret projects (even though it's probably something like Shape Up) and with sales steadily increasing, there will likely be a couple of quality for the console. I just hope this market their talking about includes DLC for Watch Dogs. If they can't offer the same content, they might as well not come to the party.

Hotfusion

#49

Hotfusion said:

If I was CEO of UbiSoft I would do the same thing. The game may have been developed with the believe that the Wii U would have sold a lot more by now.

This is business, not a game. This is real life. Why waste a load of money releasing and marketing a game that 95% Nintendo fans will probably never buy. .

Releasing this game will probably be throwing money away.

Discostew

#51

Discostew said:

They held back Rayman Legends, which could have sold more on Wii U during a time where no other major releases were happening. Instead, they released it near others like GTA V. They say ZombiU sold poorly, but that was based on cost of the game vs revenue vs actual copies sold. It cost a pretty penny, but they ignored that ZombiU had the cost of 2 games, as it was originally Killer Freaks from Outer Space. Now they've held back Watch Dogs on Wii U, which is going to sell poorly because anyone who cared about the game will have bought it already on one of the 5 available platforms it is on.

Pretty much, they did this to themselves.

Gamer83

#52

Gamer83 said:

Ubisoft actually tried, it didn't get the sales. So I can't blame them. But I'm not sure I 100% buy the userbase argument. Yes, the userbase is low, yes it's a factor, but if the games like say AC IV and Splinter Cell Blacklist were pulling in 1.5-2 mil would Ubi be giving up the ship? I think Blacklist did like a pathetic 10K sales in its first month or two and I'm sure it didn't grow much after that so it makes the choice easy. It's too bad third party games perform so pitifully on Nintendo consoles.

OGGamer

#53

OGGamer said:

If you want to know what this mystery game is just head on over to the sony and microsoft booths . This game will be released on those systems first .

Drobotic

#54

Drobotic said:

Third party games would probably sell on the Wii U if the third parties actually acknowledged that a Wii U version of the game is actually available.Example:Activision never showed the Wii U under the consoles Black Ops II was available for in the advertisements.The games and hardware would probably sell if they actually promoted them.Same goes for both third parties and Nintendo.

brandonbwii

#57

brandonbwii said:

@Kyloctopus
I'm not against some of Ubisoft's more casual games as long as their not overdone shovelware. Pictionary World sounds pretty ambitious for what it is.

Drobotic

#58

Drobotic said:

@Xiao_Pai The problem with the Wii U isn't really software sales,but the actual console selling.That's why Ubisoft won't release COMPLETE games and waves them in our faces.

brandonbwii

#59

brandonbwii said:

@Drobotic
3rd party games don't tend to sell well on Nintendo systems. Even with a helping of years of Ubi support I feel I can count the million sellers on one hand.

The upside this gen though is there is a bigger enthusiast user base for Wii U, so if the sales of the platform itself increases, who knows?

Mercy_Lost

#60

Mercy_Lost said:

Ubi's logic is flawed, if this is indeed a family game then they would know that families don't pick up games because they're new releases or because of hype. A parent or grandparent will just pick up anything off the shelf with a recognizable brand name or pretty artwork, much like they would in a supermarket.
Ubi think that by holding off release they would help sales but infact this will hurt it. The smart thing for ubi to do with a family friendly game is to release it just after a big nintendo title. That way, families not only pick up the wii u along with the nintendo title but pick up their's as well.
Of course this only applies to a family game as per context of interview. If they want a hype cow then power to them.

GalacticMario28

#62

GalacticMario28 said:

Business-wise, it's a reasonable decision to hold the game back, but there are two things about this that stand out to me. First, the game has already been completed for six months, yet it sounds like Ubisoft plans to wait at least another 6 months to a year before even considering releasing it; by that time, the game will probably be completely outdated and will have lost most if not all of its appeal, even if it is just a family game. Second, they actually said that; I can't believe anyone was brave enough to actually say that to the press. I'm honestly not sure if I should be angry or impressed.

Hotfusion

#63

Hotfusion said:

UbiSoft made good use of the gamepad with Zombi U so I wouldn't be surprise if it is that feature that kept the game away from the other consoles... initially.

UbiSoft tried more than most to support the console so they have my respect but I am not deluded enough not to see that financially, continuing to support the Wii u is looking like a lost cause.

As for WatchDogs I am puzzled. With no release date issued I wouldn't be surprised if the game is dropped. I understand why UbiSoft did what they did with the Wii U version.

1) It was up against MK8 the same week.
2) Wait and see if MK8 and E3 gives the a Wii U a boost and hence a bigger market to launch that version of WatchDogs into.

SkywardLink98

#64

SkywardLink98 said:

I guess it makes some sort of sense. Family games normally are sold to parents, who typically see the games on TV, in store advertising, etc (at least in my experience, yours could be different). If they go all out now, it won't sell as well as it will in the future if it's released when the Wii U has sold really well.

Action51

#65

Action51 said:

Oh Ubisoft, You are turning into EA 2.0...

Annualized franchise updates, buggy games, no loyalty to platforms, arrogance and gluttony...yup.

Sir_JBizzle

#66

Sir_JBizzle said:

I truly admire the honestly, paticularly in the face of companies that have a new excuse every week (EA) BUT... At the same time, is Ubi trying to wait till Nintendo releases the big guns, not for wary of small install base, but for fear of being overshadowed? Which I think is one of the main reasons they held off on Watch Dogs...

Sir_JBizzle

#67

Sir_JBizzle said:

On the other hand, (puts on tin foil hat) I wonder if they put that tidbit out there in hopes of getting hype built for this mystery game so everyone can demand it from Ubi?

Nintenjoe64

#69

Nintenjoe64 said:

People who think Ubisoft are evil for holding back Wii U games should look at Nintendo who are holding back loads of VC games and I suspect a few Wii U games like SNES Remix!!!

eaglebob345

#70

eaglebob345 said:

If it is a crappy family game they can keep it. Rabbids is just sad, Just Dance and AC are annual garbage, and if it isn't Prince of Persia I don't want it.

If you can't tell by now, I want PoP...

JeffreyG

#71

JeffreyG said:

Well, at least he shows that UbiSoft still has faith in Wii U's future. From a business perspective, it would make sense to wait until a console has a wide audience if you want your game to do well on it.

briantran_

#72

briantran_ said:

Respect for Ubisoft has finally been fufilled to my expectations!
One thing I appreciate with Ubisoft is that they will, at least tell the truth.

@eaglebob345
I know this is your opinion but hundreds of families love Just Dance (Rabbids is sad and what the hell is AC?).

AugustusOxy

#74

AugustusOxy said:

Sales wont improve if there isn't enough third party support, there wont be enough third party support if sales don't improve.

The market is ridiculous.

eaglebob345

#75

eaglebob345 said:

@briantran_ AC = Assassin's Creed. I know a lot of people like Just Dance, but that is sorry support for any console, imo of course.

Watch_Dogs launching and being marketed on the Wii U with the others could have helped... 7 months ago when it was supposed to launch. Then they pushed it to 3 days before MK8, and delayed the Wii U version. I get why they delayed again, but they should have done that for all consoles. Ubisoft delays finished games to go multiplatform (Rayman), delays "finished" games only to say they were not in fact done when they said they would be (Watch_Dogs), delays said game again on the console that needs it the most, then reveals that they shelved ANOTHER finished project to take a "wait and see" approach. Ubisoft is still a better supporter than EA, but not by much Just Dance isn't as much a game a it is a desperate yearly cash grab and Rabbids is a deplorable excuse for a franchise. Rabbids shouldn't have even been on the Wii U in the first place, it should have been Rayman in that slot.

Subie98

#79

Subie98 said:

I gave up on the wii u version when they announced the delay for it. Switched the pre order to ps4. Kind of sucks, my hand kind of felt forced. I didnt feel I should have to wait another 6 months for it. Actions like this cause the wii u to suffer more. I get the decision they made. All around sucks for the wii u.

Einherjar

#80

Einherjar said:

Instead of creating said market by releasing quality games.
Sure Ubisoft, holding back a game you paid to make and wait out for the people who want the game you never released...sure, sounds way more logical.
Every time you think this industry cant get more stupid, one of the big western based devs comes around the corner and prooves you wrong.
Its especially sad, if you look at some eastern devs wantig to release games, but lacking the money to do so over here...and doing it anyways, because they believe in their fanbase to buy it and spread the word.
Koei, Atlus, ArkSystem, Fromsoftware, im looking especially at you.

randomlypikachu

#81

randomlypikachu said:

whaaaaaatan honest statement from a CEO that doesnt have even attempt to put blame on nintendo or wii u owners. o.o the people commenting here are responding pretty reasonably (mostly) ... this is crazy...

covering myself
i know someone is gona make some kinda angered response to this, but i dont feel like coming back here so im just gona cover myself on what i said now. what i consider blaming might be something very different to you. when i said they didnt blame anyone here i meen they didnt say something along the lines of "its nintendos fault for handling the wii u so bad" or "its wii u owners faults cus they wont buy our games!" next when i say people are responding pretty reasonably (for the most part) that isnt me taking a jab at people who aren't reacting positively to this. someone could be talking negatively about this issue and still be making a perfectly reasonable response. the people who i am taking a jab at are people who talking about ubisoft like their company is the plague.

Will-75

#82

Will-75 said:

I think they cut there own throats seems like dumb decisions to me , there is not that many more PS4s out there as well the sells for ps4 and xbox1 have dropped dramaticly just like Wii U did and now Wii U is gaining sells but I'm sure they would still have a reason to ignore Nintendo so I say who cares nobody is gonna care for watch dogs in 6months anyway I think they are using Nintendo to stretch the appeal of their average game .

Dauntless

#83

Dauntless said:

They have a game done for 6 months and they are holding it back until more units sell? That means its not going to be released. Nintendo is doomed. Its bad enough when third parties don't make games for their system, but it is even worse when they do and decide not to release it.

Henmii

#85

Henmii said:

Could be Watchdogs, though I really don't think we'll see that game on the Wii u EVER!

jasonbra

#87

jasonbra said:

I was hoping it would be ZomibU2. But sounds like its a family game, so probably some rabbids game. If it does launch it will be around xmas.
Sounds like theres some faith in Nintendo especially after seeing the sales of MK8.

Caryslan

#88

Caryslan said:

@eaglebob345 The last Prince of Persia flopped pretty badly across three platforms, and the 2008 game did not do much better. I would be very surprised if we do see another Prince of Persia game. I love the series, but its not a huge seller, so Ubisoft is unlikely to revive the franchise anytime soon.

Jayvir

#89

Jayvir said:

I don't get it. They've already spent the money making it, why not release it to make back some of that cash? Whether they release it now or in 3 months, it will have the exact same number of people who want to buy it. Hell, if they release it earlier, it may actually influence some people to actually buy a console.

gatorboi352

#90

gatorboi352 said:

Install base? Or lack of interest from the current install base to buy 3rd party games? Me thinks its the latter.

Plus, the fact this is a family style game and has been completed for 6 months and we've heard nothing about it ever... I'm sure its a craptastic title anyway.

JaxonH

#92

JaxonH said:

@evanescent_hero

They're the only developer who continued to bring games to Nintendo's console (or even brought them in the first place) despite release after release after release seeing low sales. They don't HAVE to bring anything to Nintendo's console, ESPECIALLY when games they spend tens of millions of dollars on sell just 10,000 copies, or when they're lucky, over 100k (which is a joke)

Fact is, Ubisoft has been very good to Nintendo. Assassin's Creed 3 releases at launch, and it tanks. ZombiU releases, sells ok for a launch title, but they lose money on it. Then they release Splinter Cell Blacklist and it tanks HARD. Then they release Rayman Legends, which tanks but at least sells on par with PS3- that's one redeeming quality. Then Assassin's Creed 4 releases, and IT tanks. Even then, they STILL don't cancel Watch Dogs. They push it back to give other versions priority, but they don't cancel it, KNOWING it's going to flop on Wii U.

I mean, I don't understand how that's in any way, shape or form treating Nintendo unfairly. In fact, they've bent over backwards losing money, losing more money, and losing even MORE money bringing games to Wii U. Meanwhile, we continue to not buy their games, then complain when they FINALLY stop supporting the system.

eaglebob345

#93

eaglebob345 said:

@Caryslan If they gave PoP half the hype, budget, and attention as AC they could make something stellar. Even a rematering of the original trilogy would be good. The one they made on PS3/Xb360 where you couldn't die was pretty bad though. I think they called that a reboot, it was a turd if you ask me.

whanvee

#95

whanvee said:

I highly appreciate the man's sincerity but at this point in time I would rather have him not release watchdogs on the wii u. It wasn't all that it was cracked up to be , not bad but also not freaking awesome. Most everyone that wanted to play it has already picked it up. The only sales you are going to get on the wii u are the ones from people who really don't have any other systems and are still looking forward to this game. The sad part is that it will be seen as M rated games not selling on the wii u. Which will lead to no more wii u M rated games from Ubisoft. Oh well that is the way it goes.

Ryu_Niiyama

#96

Ryu_Niiyama said:

Not sure how I feel about this. I understand that Ubi needs to have a return of their investment, but statements like this don't engender faith in their products for me. I passed on Rayman Legends due to the delay (I'll pick it up when its super-cheap) and I feel more and more like they are telling me that I have to buy their games on other systems (when they are multiplat that include wiiu at all) and I'm not a fan of a dev/publisher artificially limiting my choices. This is coming from a person that buys every system and has a gaming grade PC.

Plus if WiiU owners only have delays and ports that are missing features to look forward to, is there really any wonder why games don't sell on WiiU?

dumedum

#97

dumedum said:

@JaxonH you know, that's really annoying.

I bought ZombiU, loved it, I bought AC III, meh, I bought Rayman Legends, nice, but came too late, I buy all these Ubisoft games. So stop saying people don't buy them. People do and it's their job to make people buy them more. It's the uncertainty of let's not bring future games, let's bring without online, let's bring but later than we promised even though the game is ready, let's bring but no DLC, that turn people off. So they buy Mario Kart. But they still disappoint 200,000 fans or so. And ZombiU freaking sold 700,000.

JaxonH

#98

JaxonH said:

@dumedum

You're shifting blame. That's not the reason the games aren't selling. ZombiU was an EXCLUSIVE and couldn't even hit 2/3 million copies sold. Rayman Legends may have been delayed, but it came no later than other versions, and had no missing content. AC4 came right on time with other versions. Same for AC3, AND it had DLC. They started cutting content when they realized people weren't buying the games. Called minimizing your loss.

It's easy to shift blame and say "well this one didn't sell because x or y". No, the game didn't sell because not enough Nintendo fans care about these kinds of games. That's why. We've had over 2 dozen AAA ports come to Wii U, and not a single blasted one of them has sold over a quarter million. You can pretend it's DLC or multiplayer for the few that pertains to, but you can't use that excuse on all of them. One flopped AAA port? Bad chance. Two flopped AAA ports? Coincidence. TWENTY FOUR consecutive flopped AAA ports? The message is sent loud and clear.

When I say nobody bought the games, I'm speaking in relative terms. Not enough people bought the games. Not nearly enough. Not even close to enough. Ya you bought them. So did I. And about 100k others. But that's not nearly enough.

faint

#99

faint said:

@JaxonH well asscreed 3 released on th u at $60 bucks while the other consoles got the trillogy for 50$. i got it at launch and it was a buggy mess. they patched it a month latter. splinter cell had no local coop and was buggy. took two weeks to patch that. we paid the same for less content. asscreed 4 no dlc anounced befor its release. heck even the download only budget title child of light didn't get dlc like everybody else. then the rayman thing. today they anounce a ubi art digital only low budget title at e3 and we dont get it? its a download title? everything else they released was shovelware.

smufs 2
raving rabbids
espn sports connection
mavel battle for earth

their support has always had two sides too it. take the blinders off will ya

JaxonH

#100

JaxonH said:

@faint

Ya, I see their support has given us the short end of the stick. But the REASON FOR THAT is because the games don't sell regardless. Take your blinders off will ya.

AC3 was released on par with AC3 on other consoles. And was not in a trilogy of any kind.

And saying "the game didn't have DLC or short content" doesn't matter anyways unless a person owns multiple consoles, which in the big scheme of things, very few Wii U owners do. The vast majority of Wii U owners don't have another console to fall back on, nor do the majority of Wii U owners care about AAA game DLC or tacked on multiplayer modes anyways. It's a handy excuse, but in the end it is just an excuse. Ya it sucks. No it's not "fair". But then again, spending millions on a game to come to Wii U then selling 10,000 copies isn't exactly fair to them.

EDIT: But yes, as far as Child of Light goes, I agree. It wouldn't have taken much to add DLC to it. And they completely ignore 3DS. I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm just talking as far as big-budget AAA games go. It's hard to hate the ONE company that actually cares enough to keep bringing games even though they flop, even if they are late or missing DLC.

faint

#102

faint said:

@JaxonH your right about asscreed. it was two not three. it's still a buggy game. also that price for such a late port is crazy. actually lots of wiiu owners have a ps3 or xbox 360. i'm not sure why you would think otherwise. i'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

JaxonH

#104

JaxonH said:

@faint

If you look at the total install base of 7 mil, I bet not even 1 mil own a PS3 or 360. But let's assume you are correct, for the sake of argument, then why would it be such a big deal if Wii U doesn't get a game? I mean, if "most" Wii U owners have another console they can buy it on, then why so upset? I own a PS4 and X1, and I know firsthand that I couldn't care less if Wii U misses a game because I'll just buy it for the console it releases on. People usually get hysterically upset because they don't have that other option. They know they can't play it otherwise. If you know you can play it, you wouldn't really care all that much, see what I'm sayin?

catsrnice

#105

catsrnice said:

That kinda makes sense. It's like when I stock up all my Club Nintendo codes until I know that I have enough to get Platinum status in return.

faint

#106

faint said:

@JaxonH because the loudest are the minority. thats why. this website is also the minority. most gamers don't obsess over new sites and blogs constantly. myself i have a 360 i picked up at a garage sale for 45 bucks. you wanna know why i will wait for watch dogs? i think the u version has the ability to be better than the ps3/360 version. not everybody can wait tho. you should start a thread here for your own benefit. call it "what 7th/8th gen consoles do you own. not everything is as it seems on gaming sites you know. i have an xbox but hate halo/cod. i love me some viva pinata tho. :)

rushiosan

#107

rushiosan said:

@evanescent_hero I wouldn't want to invest money to rush/finish a product before making sure it has good chances to sell. They are keeping the slow pace with that game and it makes perfect sense. If it's not ready to sell, it won't sell.

audiobrainiac

#108

audiobrainiac said:

Hopefully they'll release more high quality games for Wii U eventually. I will say if they don't, then Ubisoft just won't receive any of my business. I COULD have the other two consoles, but I prefer Nintendo's. A publisher has to do what a publisher has to do, I get it. I respect smart business decisions too. Hopefully, everyone wins :)

Nik-Davies

#109

Nik-Davies said:

Ubisoft, your honesty shall not go unrewarded. When I kill you, it will be quick and painless....

But in all seriousness, I reckon it's a Rabbids game. We haven't seen a Rabbids game for a while actually.
crosses fingers Please be Rabbids Go Home 2

rushiosan

#110

rushiosan said:

I don't care about most Ubisoft games. Maybe another Suda51 localization like No More Heroes would lift my hype but that's all. AC is a stinky PoP clone and became the new Call of Duty of wall-jumps with sword fights. Just Dance never got my attention. There are better options if you're a fan of the genre - sadly, Kinect's Dance Central is the best modern dancing game of the past/current gen, or at least a far more complete experience than simply waving a piece of plastic around your body. SEGA's Samba de Amigo was a much much better dance game on Wii. I wish it had a second edition with the addition of Motion Plus to fix all the flaws from its predecessor. The Wii U needs AAA ports, of course, but the main first-party games will definitely raise the bar if properly done. Where's Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid? These franchises have a lot of potential for both casual AND hardcore gamers but they aren't being explored at full power. Multiplayer, variety and intense online interaction (not only stupid Mii messaging) is the key for turning these franchises into massive sellers. Mario Kart and SSB are the best examples of how a deep multiplayer experience makes a huge difference for everyone.

outburst

#113

outburst said:

Aaaannddd this completed game will offer DLC when released. :D I can't blame Ubisoft for holding it back. But I hate them on their DLCs being announced before we even see gameplay footages on their games. They're becoming the next EA.

Tsurii897

#115

Tsurii897 said:

Well...better than the BS with Crisis. That game was done and ready for release, too and EA canned it, because they were butthurt.
I'm not happy with it, but ag least he's honest shrug

I just hope it's not a Rabbids or Rayman game...

AshFoxX

#116

AshFoxX said:

Idiots. It takes good software to sell more hardware. If everyone who made software waited until there was a 'certain market', there would be no video games. Systems die all the time either due to being too niche, expensive, or just unpopular due to a lot of dumb choices including having a library of low quality games. Something Nintendo certainly does not have, and the gamepad adds all kinds of interesting ideas to a game like Watch Dogs.

Fact is, lots of people hold out to buy a console until there are a handful of games that they will want for it. Not everyone will buy a 300 dollar box for just one or two. Personally I would have bought a system earlier if Mass Effect Trilogy had a release on the system, even if I did eventually buy it for PS3.

Farmboy74

#117

Farmboy74 said:

I can understand not selling enough games due to a low install base of the Wii U. But AC4 and Splinter Cell did not ship with the full package compared to other systems. Will Watchdogs have all the add ons? Only time will tell. Maybe if the Wii U launched with SM3DW and Mario Kart 8, plus Pikmin 3, W101, MHU & Windwaker HD the install base might be a lot higher now.

To be honest I'm not expecting huge third party support anymore for the Wii U. If Nintendo can keep up the high quality games it makes, then I will be happy. It's now the same situation as it was with the Wii if you want to play all the big multiplat releases you will need either a PC, PS4 or Xbox 1

jrob23

#118

jrob23 said:

Why are people such apologists for Ubi? They half donkeyed ZombiU...let's be real...it wasn't polished like it could have been. Then they half ass AC3. Then they take away exclusivity for Rayman Legends (the Wii U had a decent launch only slightly worse than Xbone) and delay it. Then they make Child of Light 720p because they are lazy. Then they don't make Valiant Hearts for the Wii U despite it being a perfect game for it. Now we find out that they are holding back an exclusive due to poor sales. Meanwhile, the install base is bigger than Xbone yet they aren't delaying games for them. Love Ubisoft. Keep your games. The one game they put serious effort into (Rayman) is amazing and kudos to them. And it sold the best on Wii U. Guess that isn't enough for them. Thank you for the great game. I might pick up COL...MIGHT...but I think they need to be punished and the only way I can do that is through my wallet. I paid $5 for Rayman Legends due to Target price match and deal so they won't ever get much money from me again.
Watch the profanity please — TBD

Banker-Style

#119

Banker-Style said:

Like it or not he's right.
I'd find it funny if that mystery game was We Dare 2, a sequel to that kinky love game on Wii that was banned.

Sean_Aaron

#120

Sean_Aaron said:

Does it matter? If Ubisoft lacks software on the system I want to buy (I have the Rayman Challenges app - never gets played - and Just Dance 4 for Wii U and that's it) then they don't get my money. If they want to spend money developing software and not release it, that's fine too. Good luck with that business model - better to skip the system entirely; I won't miss them.

Anguspuss

#122

Anguspuss said:

so basically he is saying we have a piece of shovel ware. But wii u has only been bought by Nintendo gamers & not enough muppets to buy the shovel ware.

Action51

#123

Action51 said:

@jrob23 - Yup...Ubisoft pushed out some sloppy ports, delayed and went back on their exclusivity, gave us an innovative but shoddy exclusive with Zombie U (that reviewed very poorly) and then started shipping games with missing modes, no DLC or pre-order bonus and it goes on from there.

Here's the thing...I'm not so desperate for third party content that I can't recognize a fair weather friend when I see one. Ubisoft are cunning. They hedged their bets in the hopes that the Wii U would take off like the Wii and have a massive install base right off the bat, but the moment the momentum started to fade, so did their support...and it was blatant and obvious.

So yeah...EA and Ubisoft(EA 2.0) ...I've had enough with you oversized western developers and your lack of respect for gamers. I can buy your samey-samey games on Steam but I don't...because they just aren't that interesting to me, sorry.

MajinSoul

#124

MajinSoul said:

Finally he's honest, It was obvious long ago that Ubisoft tries to abandon the Wii U. Yes, a company's goal is to make money. But you guys act as if porting a game to WiiU costs the same as creating the game from ground up. Guess what - it doesn't. It's way cheaper. So even if it sells less on WiiU, there isn't much of a loss.
It also strikes me as insane that he believes that he can easily hop back on the ship once Nintendo managed to increase WiiU sales. THIS guy is part of the problem. Abandon the WiiU and come back once it's in a good position. Very smart.
He also stated that the WiiU shall become a mass market console and he wants to release a familiy game. Well, that sets it for me. I won't buy their casual games.

I really hope Iwata manages to rescue the WiiU on his own. And he shall never forget those disgusting third-party devs. A friend of mine keeps on bragging how Indie-devs are the future. And I can finally see why.

Raptor78

#126

Raptor78 said:

I was lucky that because I held off until PS4 and XBone launched, I had about a years worth of titles to catch up on. Ive pretty much bought all that Ubisoft had to offer on the system and where my collection stands is that a third of my games are Ubi, a third Nintendo and the final third being made up by everybody else.. but now what. Nintendo keeps releasing more titles and Ubi canceling, delaying or even not even bothering to release games, eventually they will end up just getting lost amongst the "others" category. I can understand why they may have thought that holding a game back until there was a bigger market... but that doesnt guarantee bigger sales, because when the wiiu install base becomes bigger other companies will jump back onboard and there will be more competition... unless the game they are holding back is a real killer title I don't think they will be in any better position.

markybbop

#127

markybbop said:

Rayman sold better on the wiiu than on the other consoles. I think watch dogs if released at the same time would have done well brcause of the unique controller features. Im upset as I really wanted the division for this console. I personally think that nintendo need to act and try to sell themselves to 3rd party companies. Even look for some pc only game companies. Try and sell to them the benefits of porting over there games. Maybe some will be too powerful but you can backlog there titles. For me this alone could interest people in a wiiu console as lots of people have missed pc games due to not having a powerful pc. Nintemdo need to do something, the wait for good games are too long and far apart. They need some 3rd party support.

Funbunz

#130

Funbunz said:

While I appreciate what appears to be actual honesty, it's too little and too late. Ubi is probably doing me a huge favor, my backlog of games grows steadily and I really can't waste time on mediocre titles. Everytime they release a game, they seem to increase my annoyance with them. I probably would have bought Rayman and Watchdogs if not for the delays. I almost bought Child of Light last weekend until I realized there was missing DLC. I WILL NOT pay for gimped ports and incomplete games. I'm starting to believe they must want to fail.

D2Dahaka

#132

D2Dahaka said:

Appreciate the honesty and respect to Ubisoft for sticking with the Wii U this long. I own Watchdogs on PS4 already, but am willing to be open minded about the Wii U version if it uses the unique features of the Wii U in a cool way and pushes the Wii U hardware a little.

Technosphile

#133

Technosphile said:

Has anyone brought up how Ubisoft is tossing their full support behind the Xbone, which is struggling as mightily--maybe even worse than--the Wii U?

I just wish the guy would be honest and say, "we tried, we supported Wii U but our games on it don't sell, so we're moving on". That I could at least respect, but this bogus line about finished software waiting for a larger userbase is just a load of crap.

AyeHaley

#134

AyeHaley said:

This doesn't surprise me as they were working on quite a few titles before they noticed Wii U did really bad.

SanderEvers

#135

SanderEvers said:

I'm not buying anything from Ubisoft ever again, and I started doing that after they delayed a finished Rayman Legends. This is the same treatment I give EA (Except for The Sims-franchise) and until these companies improve I won't change my point of view.

ghosto

#137

ghosto said:

The reason Ubisoft games don't sell is because they make garbage games. Did they find this clown scrubbing toilets and promote him to CEO because scrubbing toilets is about all he is qualified for. Ubisoft destroyed its own franchises nearly 10 years ago and since Mario Kart 8 is selling very well the problem is clearly Ubisoft.

MrGawain

#138

MrGawain said:

I doubt it's a family game- that could easily sell on Wii U. I expect it's Zombi U 2 or another shooty game that uses the gamepad. Ubi know that if they take away the gamepad functionality it'll be just another shooty/stabby game on the 360 or PS3. It's not how many people own a Wii U, it's how many dudebros own a Wii U.

FullbringIchigo

#139

FullbringIchigo said:

wait they are holding back because of sales of the Wii U, but world wide the Wii U is out selling the xb1 so why ain't they delaying xb1 games untill sales improve?

smells of bull**** to me

Trikeboy

#140

Trikeboy said:

It makes sense, if Nintendo can't pull things around, they won't waste money on marketing etc. It is annoying that there is a completed Wii U game out there that isn't released but I understand the reasons. E3 is Nintendo's for the taking this year. Microsoft and Sony, while having one or two highlights, had poor shows. Nintendo can't let this opportunity pass them by. Bring your AAA quality products and sell that console Nintendo.

Darknyht

#142

Darknyht said:

It's a chicken vs egg argument to try to figure out what happened prior to console release, but part of the Wii U's problems squarely lies on the major third party publishers. You cannot:

A) Release old and gimped ports of games and expect the target audience to not have either played it previously or select the best version of a game.

B) Delay exclusive games to make them non-exclusive and then scratch your head at the lack of console sales. You just contributed because crazy exclusive game fan now doesn't have to buy a new console to play your game.

C) Announce then delay, then reannounce but then delay a single platform on a major title and expect the delayed version to do as well as the others. Sorry, but now the hype train left (and all flaws have been revealed) so initial sales are gone and only people who actually want the game will purchase and they already purchased for another console.

D) Consistently downplaying and treating the console like a second class citizen because they dared to be different and your staff is not competent to program on it. It is very apparent that while it has less power other developers are able to produce quality games on it.

Shambo

#144

Shambo said:

I hope it will all happen, and ZombiU 2 can happen (with a better name, for obvious reasons... I had a hard time taking this one serious when I first saw the name. And then the game took me by surprise, and is seriously one of my all-time favourite games.)

Finntendo

#145

Finntendo said:

"We have a game that has been done for six months; it is on our shelf waiting until more families to have the machine."

... are you sure it's not Watch_Dogs, since wasn't it complete first?

Sakura

#146

Sakura said:

Refreshingly honest perhaps, but Ubisoft doesn't think their games are console sellers?

ZeroZX_Dev

#147

ZeroZX_Dev said:

@Darknyht This.
Ubisoft is not blameless in their "our games aren't selling tyraid".
Really, if you want your game to suceed on a "struggling" platform, you have to take the initiative or risk poor sales. Sink or swim, the choice is yours.

unrandomsam

#152

unrandomsam said:

@ZeroZX_Dev I still think their involvement at all was more negative than positive. ZombiU and Rayman Legends (And Just Dance) as an exclusive and that would have been fine.

There is no way half assed multiplatform ports should ever deserve to be sold at the same price as a 3rd party exclusive or first party game.

dumedum

#153

dumedum said:

@JaxonH well, I see your point, but if I am shifting blame, then I think you're too quick to place blame.

Who in the right minds would have thought that Assassin Creed be an instant success on Wii U? You know how you make that successful? You develop a really cool unique ASSASSIN CREED TRILOGY with GamePad features, and a reduced price, and you publish it on the console with new online stuff. You make a real effort here to entice new audiences, who never experienced AC I, AC II and the in-between, or that will be ready to actually make a shift from PS3/360 to Wii U.

You can't create an audience out of a vaccum. 700,000 copies for a new launch IP is amazing (!) where did all these people come from? Wii was casual base, no? kids? Still, 700,000 efforts with little to no effort or advertising - they were just there. Imagine if companies went and took the extra mile.

Mass Effect Trilogy with special features
Injustice with Cameos from Link (look at what that did with SoulCalibur)
Rayman Legends as launch game (it still sold just as good as 80 million user base consoles, so how can you blame anyone?)

You got to put in real effort to venture to what is essentially totally new market. Gimped efforts just won't do that. Part of the gimped efforts is putting a few games and then giving up. Nintendo fans are not rabbits who will jump immediately - you need foreplay, you need sustainability, you need reliance to instill confidence.

If that's too hard and you're willing to give up real substantial future profits, then it's their choice, but it's just their blame.

Personally, not having Ubisoft onboard is a big letdown for me.
Sands of Time on the Gamecube is brilliant.
Red Steel 2 on the Wii is amazing.
Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars on the 3DS is awesome.
ZombiU on Wii U is a masterpiece.
AC II that I played on the PS3 was super fun and I have ACIII on Wii U and wanted to play IV sometime and the rest as well.
Don't really care about the shooters.
So there it is.

RonF

#154

RonF said:

At least he's very candid about the situation, which is the least I ask from a company such as Ubisoft. I have played Splinter Cell: Blacklist and Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag and I greatly enjoyed them. I just brought Zombie U and I plan to purchase Child of Light and ACIII. If they stop supporting the Wii U, I will certainly miss their games.

tanookisuit

#155

tanookisuit said:

On one side of it I don't blame them from their bottom line. But as a WiiU owner learning of games being held back that have been done for a long time it makes me not want to buy their games at all when/if they come out because I'm stuck having nothing to play with as things aren't being released. I wrote off Watch Dogs entirely over the shady delay on that one, though seeing the reviews on it by people I probably would have anyway. :)

Mega719

#157

Mega719 said:

I remember maybe a month or two ago there was an article that talked about Ubi working on a quiz game for the system. Hopefully this isn't what they are talking about or else a lot of people would be upset. Who knows maybe we'll get a Zombi U sequel

JaxonH

#158

JaxonH said:

@dumedum But "amazing for a launch title all things considered" doesn't put bread on the table. Either games make money, or they lose money, that's all they care about.

Rayman is a perfect example PS and Xbox gamers not caring about colorful performers. It tanked on those systems hard, that's the only reason it sold on par, it wasn't because the Wii U version actually sold well.

They gave Wii U owners the same games everyone else got, only difference is all the other versions sold 10-20x as many copies, even for games on PS4 and X1 with similar install bases.

Idk why fans are in such denial about this- third parties are in it for the money. If the games sold well they'd bring em, simple as that. It's just the way it is. Most Nintendo platform owners chose Nintendo over other platforms because their taste in gaming is not geared toward AAA. I mean, OF COURSE those games won't sell well. If Nintendo fans were interested in buying those games they'd have chosen a different console

D2Dahaka

#159

D2Dahaka said:

Game production and publication is an expensive and risky business. Alot of the blame lies with Nintendo for producing a console that doesn't accommodate third parties and is behind the curve in alot of areas such as dev tools, online framework amongst other things. The only hope they have to attract 3rd parties is to rapidly grow the userbase, but that isn't going to happen when the console doesn't have games/hardware to attract most of the hardcore and is too expensive for casuals to consider. It's not the responsibility of 3rd parties to take financial risks in order to make the Wii U a success. Nintendo has chosen a conservative path for the Wii U and the price to pay is having limited support for the platform. I am ok with this as Wii U isn't my only system.

StarDust4Ever

#160

StarDust4Ever said:

Sorry but Ubisoft has screwed the pooch on this one. Suppose they released the game when console install base was low. Sure there are less gamers but there is also less games to spend their budget on. That means a much, much higher percentage of current owners will buy the game. Now suppose they wait until the Wii-U has an install base of 20 million.

Okay great. Ubisoft, just take a look at the long roster of Nintendo titles coming in late 2014 and 2015. Your game will now have to compete with those titles when it could have performed well in a market not flooded with brand new games. Your special title that you held onto for so long now gets lost in a sea of Nintendo's own AAA, other 3rd party titles, and shovelware. Now only a small percentage of the current install base buys the game at all.

Now suppose the large percentage of the small install base equates to the same number of sales compared to the small percentage of the large install base. Well guess what? By releasing the game early, you get a larger percentage of the early adopters AND a smaller percentage of the late adopters. 1+1=2. It doesn't take a genius to realize that releasing the game early will still amount to a greater number of longterm sales than shelving it for a brighter tomorrow. Devs like you are part of the problem, not the solution.

dumedum

#164

dumedum said:

@JaxonH Just because a game doesn't sell as good as the counterparts doesn't mean it's not profitable. If they were lazy (and stripped) ports so the investment in them in man-hours and development was low, thus the cost of making them was low. Companies make bad decisions all the time. Just because they're in for the money doesn't mean they can't be wrong, or stuck in misconceptions and laziness.
Ubisoft should generally be proud of their success on Wii U - ZombiU is best selling third party game and number 10 overall and Legends not too far behind despite the extreme mistake of the late release. That's a good beginning. If they had any vision, they would eventually develop "nintendo like" successes. Rome wasn't built in a day and selling a lot of games doesn't come overnight - you need consistent quality geared towards the platform indeed. And they know they can hit a homerun like with Just Dance on the Wii. You never know.The upside is huge compared to the cost.

Dpishere

#165

Dpishere said:

At least he is honest about it. Most of the time big companies will just feed you excuses to hide the truth so this, while not necessarily a positive thing is refreshing to hear.

kensredemption

#166

kensredemption said:

"This mystery game's been done for a few months, but we won't know if it'll sell well so we'll wait until more Wii Us are sold."

-Facepalm- Just release it. If it's exclusive to the Wii U, it just might sell like MK8 did. Of course, it probably wouldn't have sold as much if it was being overshadowed by MK8 by releasing it at the same time...

Steviis_Father

#167

Steviis_Father said:

Sorry to ressurect this post... But...
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THAT GAME IS!!!

This bit of news just in:
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/nintendo-exec-names-rayman-as-playable-character-for-smash-bros

Basically Rayman is "sort of" implied to be playable in Smash. But that's not what got me thinking. It's what Sakurai said (at his last pic of the day) when he received the model from Ubisoft to make the trophy (see below):

"...We were expecting to receive 2D drawing references for Rayman, but to our surprise, they sent us data of a brand new 3D model that they rendered for this game!!" - Sakurai

If Ubisoft rendered a brand new 3D model... Then maybe, perhaps, possibly & quite likely... That new game their holding back is a NEW 3D HD Rayman game!!

Does that make sense to you?!

sillygostly

#168

sillygostly said:

A game titled "Rabbids Invasion" has just been classified by the Australian Classification Board, receiving a G rating for "Very mild violence and crude humour." There is no information about what platform it will be released on (the page reads "Multi platform", but that doesn't mean anything as even Wii/DS/3DS/Wii U exclusives have been marked as being "multi platform" games; it's just a generic term that the Classification Board uses).

This may very well be the Wii U game that Ubisoft has been withholding. Ideally, I think that they would have released it about a year ago to coincide with the premiere of the television series of the same name, but they probably thought that the install base wasn't high enough to justify releasing it at the time.

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