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Miyamoto Puzzled As To Why Anyone Would Want A New F-Zero

Posted by Damien McFerran

"I thought people had grown weary of it"

If you ask any self-respecting Nintendo fan which series they'd like to see come out of hibernation, many will say F-Zero. Aside from the themed mini-game in the forthcoming Wii U launch title Nintendo Land, we haven't seen an F-Zero title since 2004's F-Zero: Climax on the Game Boy Advance - which never made it out of Japan.

In an interview with French site Game Kult, Miyamoto was asked why the series has been dormant for almost a decade. His response is surprising, to say the least.

Game Kult: After a quick survey on Twitter, one of the games French gamers miss the most is F Zero. Nobody really understands why Nintendo hasn’t made a new one since 2004. Is there a chance we can see it back on Wii U?

Miyamoto: [eyes open wide] I am really pleased to hear Twitter’s opinion, because since the first episode on SNES many games have been made but the series has evolved very little. I thought people had grown weary of it.

I’d like to say: Thank you very much and try to wait by playing Nintendo Land’s F-Zero mini-game.

I am also very curious and I’d like to ask those people: Why F-Zero? What do you want that we haven’t done before?

It would appear that Miyamoto feels the franchise is unable to offer anything new, which is something of a blow for all of the F-Zero fans out there who are eagerly awaiting a new instalment. Are you one of those fans? What's your opinion on Miyamoto's reply? Drop a comment to let us - and the world - know.

[via mynintendonews.com, gamekult.com]

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BenAV

#2

BenAV said:

It probably doesn't need to offer that much new stuff.
A good quality F-Zero game on a powerful, HD system would most likely please a lot of people.

WhiteTrashGuy

#3

WhiteTrashGuy said:

This , STAR FOX, and PUNCH-OUT!! are my favorite series from the Big N. I got my PUNCH-OUT!!, give me F-ZERO. And as for something new, customizable characters, track editor (better than the 64DD), and ONLINE play with 30 racers. Oh, and bring back the DeathRace challenge from 64.

Omarzuqo

#5

Omarzuqo said:

Get Sega's Amusement Vision team (developer of F-Zero GX) to do it.

Hell, I could take a re-release of GX with HD graphics and online multiplayer. It would be the best racing game ever made.

Retro_on_theGo

#7

Retro_on_theGo said:

. . . Miyamoto...
It doesn't matter! HD visuals and 20 people online is MORE than enough "new" stuff. Please! Just give us a new F-Zero! We're not tired of it.
WE NEED A NEW ONE!

Omarzuqo

#9

Omarzuqo said:

I'd much rather have a new F-Zero game than the yearly releases of "New" Super Mario Bros series.

NintendoMaster

#10

NintendoMaster said:

Miyamoto acts as if there is nothing new they can do in an F-Zero game. If that's true then how can they add new elements to Mario Kart every couple years?

Tetsuo_808

#11

Tetsuo_808 said:

It's a fair observation from Miyamoto - F-Zero X was essentially perfect, and GX/AX simply added some gloss and frivolity. It's difficult to see how from a gameplay point of view it could be improved. But hey, what does he know? SEQUELS and more SEQUELS are what we all crave, right?

CanisWolfred

#13

CanisWolfred said:

Keep the stages new and interesting, perhaps more interactive? More intensive story and challenge modes? Music that doesn't suck this time? Online Modes? HD? I dunno. Unlike Mario, F-Zero is a series that doesn't really need to change things up much. All it really needs is a little modernization. Especially now that Wipeout is basically in the grave...

millarrp

#14

millarrp said:

I guess that explains why a Nintedno Selects version never came out....but I wouldn't object to a new version with HD graphics, online play (for those that want it), and maybe a new storyline,

TrueWiiMaster

#16

TrueWiiMaster said:

Though a new F-Zero would be cool, I kind of see what he's saying. I mean, aside from graphics, did much change between the first F-Zero and the last? Miyamoto seems to be all about moving forward and making new things, and F-Zero so far has kind of embodied the opposite (I'd still live to see one made for the Wii U with online and HD; it could be Nintendo's Gran Turismo!).

SushiGummy

#17

SushiGummy said:

"It would appear that Miyamoto feels the franchise is unable to offer anything new"

I don't think that's what he was trying to say. When he asked "What do you want that we haven’t done before?" I think he was moreover wondering what kinds of new things fans would like to see if there were a potential sequel.

After all, most Nintendo franchises add some new and unique mechanic for each game, what would the next F-Zero have?

shimage

#18

shimage said:

I don't know about the WiiU, but I want a good non-kart racer on the 3DS. 3D works really well on racing games, and I'm getting tired of Ridge Racer.

DestinyMan

#19

DestinyMan said:

Miyamoto-san, you sure have said some strange remarks lately! The Koopalings not being Bowser's children, and now this. You are upending tea tables.

I feel bad for the F-Zero fans out there that must be offended by this. If they can revive Kid Icarus and do things to it that weren't done before, they could easily do the same for F-Zero. You can't tell me F-Zero couldn't have anything new added to grow the series. Look at Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, and every Nintendo series in which the games innovated and changed over time with new elements and extras. Why would F-Zero not be able to do that?

Fudge

#20

Fudge said:

Story mode was in GX, not to mention more customization. Also, CanisWolfred, Music that doesn't suck? Tell me you're not talking about GX!

47drift

#23

47drift said:

I don't need anything new, necessarily. I'd be content with an HD sequel to GX with online multiplayer. Any new features are just a bonus to the already perfect gameplay.

Knux

#24

Knux said:

''Nothing new to offer''? Are you kidding me, Miyamoto? Do you want my money? :O

DestinyMan

#25

DestinyMan said:

If we want to be optimistic, we could say that Miyamoto was teasing F-Zero fans by suggesting any ideas they could have, which is fine. It just seems that his reply wasn't worded that well in that case. If he was just teasing, we can keep hoping that an F-Zero is coming in the not-too distant future as long as we show that we really want it.

WildMan

#26

WildMan said:

"I am also very curious and I’d like to ask
those people: Why F-Zero? What do you
want that we haven’t done before?"
Yeah as if! Look at the New Super Mario series, that's the same stuff rehashed over and over!

Radixxs

#27

Radixxs said:

Never played it, and it never sold well. I don't think I'm missing much by having not played it. 200 people on Twitter saying they want a new F-Zero isn't guaranteed profit.

gojiguy

#28

gojiguy said:

How about online? HD graphics? Motion control? more vehicles? a track builder for the rest of the world?

Don't troll, Miyamoto. If you can make a Mario Kart every generation and let it "evolve" then you can do the same for F-Zero!

@Radixxs judging a game by never playing it? Yeesh. And yes, it DID sell well. GX sold ok, just below expectations. F-Zero used to be a top tier nintendo franchise. The original F-Zero sold in the millions iirc. X was quite popular as well. GX is still the best racing game I've ever played.

Xilef

#29

Xilef said:

Well this explains why we haven't really seen an F-Zero for some time. He does have a point though. The gameplay in F-Zero hasn't really had any major changes to it, at least not on the same level as say, Mario or Zelda. (Although i do personally think some of the F-Zero games feel different from each other.) However, it has been 10 years now. I think everyone would be okay with a new F-Zero even if it didn't bring alot new to the table.

@Radixxs You're missing alot. They are awesome! And the 200 on Twitter was only a small amount of the people who wants a new F-Zero.

RevolverLink

#30

RevolverLink said:

Oh man, if I were hardcore F-Zero fan, that reaction would've made me pretty sad. I definitely think there's still a niche out there for the series - and I also think it would be one of the series that would benefit the most from Nintendo's belated jump to HD.

Xilef

#31

Xilef said:

At least now he knows. I honeslty would be very surprised if we didn't get a new F-Zero this gen.

machomuu

#32

machomuu said:

It seems more like he wants opinions on exactly what fans want from the series that he could add without treading old ground. Granted, I think there are a lot of things that could be added, it's not exactly a "milked and overstretched" series, far from it, but it seems more as if he's asking for what could be added that would make a well received next game rather than saying that another one shouldn't be made because there's no point.

XCWarrior

#33

XCWarrior said:

The GBA Ambassador game we got was the first one I played in the series. Very unimpressed. It did little to stand out from any other race. Felt like a boring sim version of Mario Kart. So if you want that kind of thing with online but Nintendo quality, I could see a need for another F-Zero. Otherwise, nah.

XFsWorld

#34

XFsWorld said:

I never really heard of F-Zero until the 3DS Abassador Program came out, and when I played Super Smash Bros. Brawl

WaveBoy

#35

WaveBoy said:

I was completely turned off from F-Zero when Sega got their hands on GX
What a soullless empty feeling dismal experence with absolutely zero charm. It's no wonder Miyamoto hated it. I liked the original and X, but GX doesn't feel like a Nintendo game....Sega got it wrong imo. If they were to finally MiyomotoMAN up and make a sequal, they should defintily add in weapons to mix things up. Generic uncreative idea i know, but i twould make a world of a difference when trying to push the series forward.

Other than that, forget F-Zero, i want a new punch-Out!! 3D and StarTropics!

Swiket

#38

Swiket said:

Maybe the series hasn't evolved a lot, but Nintendo might change their mind if a new F-Zero sold a bajillion copies like Ultra Deluxe New Super Mario Bros #23.

mastersworddude

#39

mastersworddude said:

Lol. Miyamoto calling out fans for wanting sequels that are the same.
But it's true, people just want to be reminded the series exists than trying something new with it.

True_Hero

#40

True_Hero said:

Did the GBA Ambassador title represent the rest of the series well? If so, I am sorely disappointed with it. I found the game soulless and difficult to play. Please tell me this was just an exception.

WesCash

#41

WesCash said:

God d**n it, Miyamoto. That comment actually makes me a little mad. Because obviously F-Zero is the Nintendo franchise that has been done to death and hasn't changed at all. What about Mario or Zelda!?! I don't even know what to say...

@The_Other_M No, the GBA game is awful. F-Zero GX is one of my all time favourite games, and the N64 version is awesome too.

KaiserGX

#42

KaiserGX said:

F-Zero is alright... didn't really care, though.... I am seeing a trend though...

Shotgunryugan

#45

Shotgunryugan said:

O.o I've been waiting for a new F-Zero for years,don't know what the franchise needs,but i would just like a new game with new tracks and such.
F-Zero is my favorite racing game franchise,some people might be put-off by the difficulty but i personally love it.
Though i'll agree with @WaveWitch F-Zero GX felt generic.

Xilef

#46

Xilef said:

Guys, he's not saying there hasn't been a new F-Zero because the games hasn't changed, he's saying that there hasn't been a new one becuase the thought people had gotten tired of the franchise. And just adding online and prettier graphics does not count as a new addition to anyting. It's at least not a reason to bring back an old franchise.

And remeber people, different franchises can sell without under going major changes bacuse alot of people like the games the way they are. F-Zero is not that popular, so don't compare this to, say, NSMB and yell that they don't chnge. It's a completely different story.

Gamesake

#47

Gamesake said:

@WesCash Nintendo makes more changes to Mario and Zelda than people give them credit for. If Nintendo games were all the same there wouldn't be fans of Mario 64 who hate Mario Sunshine.

HaNks

#48

HaNks said:

miyamoto the troll - 'f-zero, who wants f-zero?' - puts f-zero in nintendoland :3

Ludicoloishome

#49

Ludicoloishome said:

i don't like f-zero personally id like to see a new mario Golf from nintendo i mean i've been waiting since wii sports but if they add online play i would be glad to pay 60$ for it

Tonnie_gAmEr25

#50

Tonnie_gAmEr25 said:

They could deff do something to f-zero to make an appeal to fans. I would love to see a game where they do a back story on the captain, or a new story all together. I have so many thoughts running thru my head!! It could be a great comeback game on the wii u!!

Balaclavab

#51

Balaclavab said:

I've only played GX on Gamecube and Maximum Velocity, but an F-Zero game similar to GX on 3DS with 30 player online races......
drools

CanisWolfred

#53

CanisWolfred said:

@XCWarrior You;re basing the entire series on the game no one gives two ****s about? Now that's a laugh. At least play one of the main series games, maybe then you're realize what a great series it is.

WesCash

#54

WesCash said:

@Gamesake
You're right, I might have been exaggerating a bit. But if Miyamoto's argument as to why there hasn't been an F-Zero game is "I thought people were weary of it", that's total BS.
How can people be weary of a franchise that hasn't been seen in nearly 10 years?
The real reason is more likely due to a predicted lack of profit. Or other issues. Miyamoto already said he was disappointed with F-Zero GX.

Angelic_Lapras_King

#55

Angelic_Lapras_King said:

Erm, make a MASS online version of it Miyamoto? Use the WiiU tablet for creating tracks? Let Retro have a crack at it?

There's plenty you can add/do with it!

Squiggle55

#56

Squiggle55 said:

I wish people would pressure Miyamoto about Earthbound instead of a lame racing game.

WesCash

#60

WesCash said:

I feel bad for these poor, misguided, F-Zero haters.
Hopefully they will confess their sins and open their hearts to Captain Falcon before it's too late. :(

Bryon15

#62

Bryon15 said:

While I do like f-zero, I'd much rather have a new star fox game. I really hope that's the secret game retro studios is developing.

Nintex

#63

Nintex said:

F-Zero is one of the best futuristic type racers. The whole sci-fi premise of the game is what makes it epic. That on top of insanely fast races that zip along with hairpin turns. Needless to say, I'm a huge fan and have played every F-Zero game there is minus Climax. I was almost heartbroken when I read this article. Miyamoto have you forgotten what makes games fun? F-zero really doesn't need much improvement. I'd be happy with just another entry with new locals and whatnot. As for what I want in a new F-zero on wiiu or 3DS-
1. Fully customizable machines utilizing the Gamepad on Wiiu or touch screen on 3DS.
2. Lush new tracks set on exotic new worlds plus some of the old ones.
3. Perhaps a story complete with cutscenes that go with every pilot.
4. Some awesome new music along the lines of F-Zero-X.
5. Have a new mode in which you fully create and customize a character who must become F-Zero champ in a full length season mode
6. Online competitive races!!! As many racers as possible without server lag. Hopefully 30 racers can compete online in tournaments at 60FPS.
7. Track editor that uses Gamepad or touch screen to truly make unique tracks that can be raced online or passed via street pass.
8. Don't tone down the difficulty, keep it hard like X and GX.
9. Make the ships take damage that you must earn money to repair. This would be awesome for season mode.
10 Just make the game!!!!

I think Miyamoto was teasing. Nintendo are making a new game, they just want to see what the players want, call it free questionnaires from the fan base. On a side note, my avatar name "Nintex" comes from a sign that was used ingame in F-Zero-X. Never knew what it really means.

bizcuthammer

#65

bizcuthammer said:

After almost a decade of absence, really the series doesn't need a whole lot of new things (although some new innovations would be nice), but it definitely deserves a new entry. Especially one with HD graphics and online multiplayer... those two aspects alone would be enough "evolution" to make a new F-Zero worthwhile. A track editor would be really cool, too.

MAB

#67

MAB said:

No point in releasing a game only 1000 people will buy when they can make another Mario Kart for millions ;)

HawkeyeWii

#68

HawkeyeWii said:

His comment doesn't make sense. You could say that about a bunch of game series. You could say we don't have much room to work with, with those mario games, or those zelda games.....

Mickey

#69

Mickey said:

"Insert comment about the originality of the New Super Mario Bros. series because i'm SOOOO original"

emayer

#70

emayer said:

F-Zero GX is the best racing game I've ever played. Maybe expand the Story Mode a little more, put in a 20 or 30 player online mode, and that's all the change you would need for a sequel.

nindocrash

#71

nindocrash said:

Wow if it heads to Wii u, I would love to see dynamic
Comic style screen effects, in real time on the game pad during the race.

That would add some more awesome. and I've never seen that in any action racing game.

Gorlokk

#73

Gorlokk said:

How can Miyamoto say that when Mario and Pokemon games often don't have much new things at all? Aside from new powerups in Mario, and new Pokemon in Pokemon, but the gameplay is mostly the same.

ewaugh

#74

ewaugh said:

thanks miyamoto cause maybe i should just stop buying mario games so u will stop making those.

Nintex

#75

Nintex said:

He didnt say it sux, he's just clueless about how to improve upon it without making it more or less the same game thats already available.

nindocrash

#76

nindocrash said:

(@nindocrash quoting post #75 ^) it would fit the game imo. And if asked where to get some ideas, look to classic speed racer, and tron mabe? And you could still
Be original. I say this with very little f-zero experience,
In faked I only played as captain falcon on smash brothers. But I'll soon be downloading snes f-zero because I enjoyed the demo on brawl.

Undead_terror

#77

Undead_terror said:

Like in the anime, they could had missles in the game and also add a sentry guns, shields, auto drive, boost, repair and some more as power ups.

JebbyDeringer

#79

JebbyDeringer said:

GX was way too hard that was my problem with that game, I could have got really good at it but lacked the patience. It also had way too many cars (little difference between them). I'd like to see a new F-Zero but pair back the cars to 10, make a decent soundtrack, have really tight game play and tracks that blow you away.

Maybe I will pop F-Zero GX in my Wii tonight, give it a run through again. F-Zero for SNES was a pretty much perfect game at the time and F-Zero X was also really good I just wish I owned it back in the day.

bro2dragons

#81

bro2dragons said:

Why should it have to be drastically different? I can no longer play F-Zero GX (the best BY FAR) once the Wii U comes out, so I want one I can play. That's it. Make it fast. Make it pretty. Make cool tracks. And make it smooth. That's it.

AVahne

#82

AVahne said:

@undead_terror
We have Mario Kart then. I'd rather have F-Zero stick with ultra high-speed racing rather than gluing on weapons and making it yet another futuristic Mario Kart game. We have plenty of those nowadays other than WipeOut.

AVahne

#83

AVahne said:

And funny how people are attacking Miyamoto and Nintendo's other franchises.

Undead_terror

#84

Undead_terror said:

@Koto Well how about you can attache a sentry or missles to your ride, since f-zero has a health bar the weapons of course will drain others health, and in f-zero you can always get your health back by certain floor, you can get a box to give you a certain amount of ammo, that would be awsome and make the game abit more challenging while having high speed races.

x-mas_mii

#85

x-mas_mii said:

I loved the f-zero X and the ambassador f-zero a lot. this time around though, I would like
1)Online play
2)death race
3)story mode
4)wiiu and 3ds versions
5) cross combatibillity between the two
6) death race
7)track maker/editor(these are different things as edit is change and make is..... well make from a circular track and then edit on from that?)

Chunky_Droid

#86

Chunky_Droid said:

Sometimes the guy needs reminding what fans want.
t
here probably isn't a lot of new stuff it could offer, but really you could apply thst theory to NSMB2. I hope they bring a new one out for its fans, but I still have nightmares over GX

Zombie_Barioth

#87

Zombie_Barioth said:

It nice to see he doesn't want to resort to just a bunch of new tracks and stuff like a lot of racing games do, but surly theres something he can come up with. I think having customizable tracks and cars would be a nice addition.

As for weapons they could do it more Speed Racer or IGPX than Mario Kart with smokescreens, spike traps, and that sorta thing. Keep it low key with limited ammo and low damage.

I wonder if thats why we haven't seen much Star Fox.

torotoid64

#88

torotoid64 said:

Everyone needs to stop being so dramatic, he's not saying "screw that ill never make a f-zero game in my life and all the fans can just forget the entire series ever existed" LOOKING AT YOU MOTHER/EARTHBOUND CREATOR He's just thinking "hey This game has not changed since it's new debut so people must be tired of this stuff!" I would think the same thing! And the fact that hes asking people what they would want shows that hes considering it at least!

DarkNinja9

#89

DarkNinja9 said:

honestly i never rly liked f-zero i did play the super nintendo version when i was a kid but eh i found it hard but still was ok

i know if they did make a new one and with online i think that be enough to get me to try it and find out what the fans like about it :)

19Robb92

#90

19Robb92 said:

I don't think it would sell well. But i do think that the WiiU is the perfect system to get a new F-Zero games, and I would personally buy it since I like the franchise.

It's a fairly simple game and it would be a great title to show of what the WiiU can do graphically.

SKTTR

#91

SKTTR said:

F-Zero GX was amazing, but it didn't have the unlimited random generated tracks and the death race from F-Zero X and the level editor from the F-Zero X Expansion Pak. I missed those for a complete F-Zero package. And there's no F-Zero with 30-player online racing and online leaderboards yet. No HD F-Zero either. So there's where you go, and put in some retro tracks as well, Mario Kart-like. Don't forget another crazy story mode, the complete 40+ characters cast to unlock, and an even more customizable vehicle edit mode. Don't release it on handheld. And I buy it :)

Syntax

#92

Syntax said:

What is he thinking!? F-zero x was 1000 points well spent and enjoy the heck out of it, I even did some questionable things to play GX on the Wii after no success in finding the game anywhere. So at least hopefully the Wiiu will have GameCube added to its virtual console category to properly play its classic games!

SMW

#93

SMW said:

Online multiplayer and make it not so super ridiculously hard. Seriously. I think I only cleared the first two chapters on the career mode and I usually like hard games!

Ernest_The_Crab

#95

Ernest_The_Crab said:

As I have pointed out numerous times before, Miyamoto really hasn't been in a producing or directing position for a Mario game since Super Mario Galaxy 2 (and was in neither one of those positions for the "New" series). You can hardly fault him with those games since he wasn't really involved.

The second line makes me think that "he' on it" but in the meanwhile play the F-Zero mini-game. The first line makes me think he said it half jokingly especially with his described expression. The last line however, actually sounds earnest, so send him suggestions I guess.

WaxxyOne

#96

WaxxyOne said:

F-Zero X was the perfect F-Zero game, IMO. It was able to utilize the power of a true 3D renderer and had a good balance between pretty visuals and simple enough graphics to support the high speed gameplay, so you could focus on staying on the track and slamming your opponents into the walls. F-Zero GX was both too flashy and much faster (seemingly, at least) which led to many cases where you couldn't really tell what the track was going to do or pay any attention at all to the other racers.

I'd love to see Nintendo release another F-Zero title, but I also agree with Miyamoto when he suggests that they've reached the pinnacle of the series and releasing another game that's basically the same thing is not Nintendo's style. If they do go for another one, I hope they simplify it a little bit and focus on the core of what made F-Zero X fun — High-speed tracks with lots of ridiculous stunts and opportunities to foul up your opponents. If they do that and keep the presentation basic enough to actually play, it'll be a great addition to the series.

I agree with SMW about the difficulty. Yeah, there are certainly Nintendo Hard games out there, but F-Zero GX's story mode was plain ridiculous and was coupled with retry delays that made you want to quit playing quite quickly. A game can be ridiculously hard, but if it's easy to quickly retry a stage or section of a level, it doesn't become tedious to do it over and over. See also: Trackmania.

seronja

#97

seronja said:

wow, it's weird that he was suprised by that o.O since gx i haven't play any new f-zero since, and i'm wanting a new one for a VERY LONG TIME... things that could be new let's see HD graphics, multyplayer, beutiful cut scenes, maybe a cross play if they also port it for the 3DS and add like an aditional contet or something ( for example a track, soundtrack, character... ) of all nintendo frachises for Wii-U i realy want the most a brand new F-zero, but i would also love to see the return of some other games such as wave race, 1080 snowboarding, star fox, odama, earth bound and doshin the giant.

WaxxyOne

#98

WaxxyOne said:

On the subject of franchises I'd love to see on the Wii U, how about something in the Eternal Darkness vein? I can only imagine the creative ways they could put the gamepad to use in a horror setting. (ZombiU already demonstrates how much tension you can add just by throwing in an extra screen.)

seronja

#99

seronja said:

@WaxxyOne that's a frachise from konami not nintendo, but yes that game need's to happen on the wii-u in order to bring back both new and old hardcore gamers

AntiGuy

#100

AntiGuy said:

Are. you. SERIOUSE!?!? We LOVE the series because it has freaking Captain Falcon in it! Captain Mother F***** Falcon!!! I'm seriously dissapointed with Mr. Miyamoto, you mind as well say the same for Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, they haven't evolved that much! yet you cynically milk these franchises like there's no tomorrow... just give the franchise another chance, hand it over to the fellows at Retro and you'll change your mind, Miyamoto.

Gridatttack

#101

Gridatttack said:

F zero from the N64 is awesome. It would be great if they will make another game that resembles the original.

TheRegginator

#102

TheRegginator said:

@Omarzuqo NSMB games comes out once per system and nowhere near once a year. That equates to about once every three years if you consider that a generation is about six years long and a NSMB comes out on both handheld and a console.

LEGEND_MARIOID

#103

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

Strange question by Miyamoto. He's not ruling it out though. Can I just add, I've read GameKult's revws and scores (translated) and they are massive troll reviewers. Underscore so, so many games. Anyway, I'm surprised he doesn't think we need a new game. No need to have a go at NSMB since there's also Paper Mario, Mario&Luigi, Mario Tennis, Mario Kart etc. That's a lot of variety!

SirSmugleaf

#104

SirSmugleaf said:

That probably means that he hasn't even thought about even making an F-Zero for the Wii U, if he thinks people have been getting weary about it...

Well I hope he is now!

SilverYoshi

#105

SilverYoshi said:

But.... there's hardly anything different about the NSMB's that keep getting released either.

warvad

#106

warvad said:

What a comment he made considering the disgusting, uninspired NSMB titles Nintendo repeatedly shoves down our throats.

RantingThespian

#107

RantingThespian said:

They should go the rout of customizing the cars like Mario Kart 7.

Also DLC that would include new tracks every few months. Plus, go the Mario Kart rout and bring back classic tracks from past games.

Geonjaha

#108

Geonjaha said:

I know right? But Miyamoto you forgot that many of your fans are only interested in sequels to games they have already played, and not new ones. Seriously if you enjoyed F-Zero games then just let it be a good memory.

With that said I cant take this decision seriously as long as you're still planning on making more NSMB games.

Shock_Tart

#109

Shock_Tart said:

honestly i would like to see a brand new game come out, new characters and stories. the zelda and mario remakes are nice but eventually they get stale. im not saying i WOULDNT like a new f zero game. honestly i think it could be a rather fun game with the wii u. but a new game by nintendo all together would be nice, i would just ask that they plz not make another FPS, there have been tons of those spewing out these last few years.

GazPlant

#110

GazPlant said:

This kinda sums up Nintendo's attitude to everything at the moment which isn't NSMB. Very disappointing

Spanjard

#111

Spanjard said:

Fzero GX was incredible! So I really wouldn't mind having a sequel... And at the same time I could not care less. I just want them to make good games for the Wii U!

Linkstrikesback

#113

Linkstrikesback said:

@DarkScythe97

Sales numbers would disagree.
Each F-Zero game sold a massive amount less than the previous one. Sure, no-one said that they were getting bored of it out loud, but money talks louder than words.

Hyperstar96

#115

Hyperstar96 said:

@Omarzuqo
New Super Mario Bros. - 2006
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 2009
New Super Mario Bros. 2 - 2012

That's not even close to yearly. Stop trolling.

Norfair

#116

Norfair said:

Oh, man, that was hard to read..
All they need is to hype it up and make a game like what pretty much everyone above said.

WaLzgiStaff

#121

WaLzgi said:

Well, to be fair, the series does not sell nearly as much as Mario or Zelda, so OF COURSE their main focus is on those since they sell. You can argue as much as you want against the NSMB series, but those sales numbers speak louder than angry fanboys ;)

LittleIrves

#122

LittleIrves said:

Once you figure out the odd controls scheme, F-Zero: Maximum Velocity is actually quite fun. Just sayin'.
As for a new F-Zero on Wii U, I'd rather see one for the 3DS first. Or if it does come to the home console, at least give it a good name: "F-U."

Shining-Void

#124

Shining-Void said:

._. I...I don't what to say. He gave a pretty lame reason as Mario kart is kind of the same thing. The gliding and driving underwater really isn't enough.

MikeDanger

#125

MikeDanger said:

Dear Miyamoto: Online Multiplayer and updated graphics and maybe a quirky storyline with a few new playable characters.

And there you have it. It's not much but it's a start.

WiiLovePeace

#126

WiiLovePeace said:

Oh man I'd love a new F-Zero! F-Zero GX is just so much awesome imo & being able to play a HD F-Zero would be mind-blowingly phenomenal. I'd be happy playing more of the same old F-Zero GX but be even more happy with a new entry in the franchise that adds in new tracks in the same worlds, maybe new worlds (more water based worlds & tracks please :D) same or more characters & definitely more story about Captain Falcon's past :D Oh yeah & online would be cool but not a must have imo. Miyamoto is pretty daft if he can't see how awesome a new F-Zero would be! :D The speed, the intense AI, the sharp turns, the amazingly fast speed! :D ... Did I mention the speed? :P So much win! !

Emaan

#127

Emaan said:

Didn't Miyamoto make a comment a while ago saying F-Zero could have a life on Wii U? Nintendolife featured an article on it, if I remember correctly. Regardless, I'd love to see a new F-Zero in HD with online support. If it's what the fans want, isn't that something Nintendo should consider? I feel like the series' absence for so long would generate enough hype for a new game to sell well. In the end though, it's all up to them. It's their franchise, and they can do whatever they want with it.

hydeks

#128

hydeks said:

you can't think of anything for F-Zero but yet you keep pumping out Mario games that feel the same??!! it's official, miyamoto is loosing it and is over the hill :P

TeeJay

#129

TeeJay said:

I think at this point, all Nintendo really needs to do is release a new game in modern graphics with online play and fans will be happy. I mean, Captain Falcon has been in every Smash Bros. and even had his own stage in Brawl! Wasn't there a reason for that? Yes there was. Because people like him, and want to see him in a new game. His OWN new game.

Kirk

#130

Kirk said:

WTF! How the hell did he get the idea that people were bored of F-Zero?! Casuals have no opinion because they don't even know about it and core gamers have been asking for a new F-Zero game for ages. Nintendo needs to get a clue about this stuff.

Kirk

#131

Kirk said:

@BenAV

This.

It doesn't actually need to evolve that much at all. The gameplay was already near perfect imo. Just make it look modern and you're pretty much sorted.

Ok, I mean, you can add things like proper online so up to however many people can race against each other, OPTIONAL tilt controls, level/vehicle editors, expanded stories for each character (with proper 3D models of every character that you could maybe view in some kind of gallery mode with their backstories and stuff), and other things like that, but the core gameplay is brilliant. A lot better as a proper skill based racing game than Mario Kart imo.

I'm actually very disappointed in Miyamoto and think he's quite out of touch with what core Nintendo fans want in this respect.

FJOJR

#132

FJOJR said:

No one can get tired of the manliness that is Captain Falcon. Heck you can even do a spin-off game where the bounty hunter actually, you know, bounty hunts.

TheDreamingHawk

#138

TheDreamingHawk said:

FINALLY.

Someone agrees with me on this, and it's miyamoto himself!

Every F-zero just seems to be the same. 2D ones are the same, and 3D ones are the same. There is really no reason to make a new one unless they do it like Pilotwings resort or Excitebike World rally.

When playing the SNES original and the GBA Maximum velocity, they literally played almost the same save for the new graphics. Same thing with F-zero X and GX. I'm just happy with the nintendo land one, as that seems to fit more into both catergories.

Dizzard

#139

Dizzard said:

Not offering anything new doesn't stop those "new" super mario bros games from popping up...

NTELLIGENTMAN

#140

NTELLIGENTMAN said:

Lame. F-Zero could learn from Wipeout and add Online functionality. It could learn from HSX and add a track editor. It could learn from Need for Speed and allow vehicle customization. It could learn from Demolition Derby and Flatout and add a Demolition Derby mode. It could learn from Burnout and add a mode where you race while destroying cars. It could learn from Need for Speed and add a Drag Mode. They could learn from Tokyo X-Treme Racer and add better drifting capabilities. They could add motion controls using the Wii U GamePad. They could offer a two player split screen option using the GamePad for Player One and the T.V. for Player 2.

Neoproteus

#141

Neoproteus said:

C'mon Miyamoto! If you want to change something just change it! Add in the ability to JUMP! Add water levels! Make the cars fly! Anything! If a series is going stagnant don't just abandon it! And if anyone complains about the art style you could say it's satire like The Hunger Games!

Yanchamaru

#142

Yanchamaru said:

Miyamoto is a master at taking the same game concept and creating something unique. He definitely can figure something out

Boo_Buster

#143

Boo_Buster said:

@BenAV I hear you, but this is why I love Nintendo. They always want to do something new... it isn't always great though, and sometimes they leave some great IP's alone for years, such as F-Zero

erv

#144

erv said:

F-zero GX is the best racer I've ever played, and one of the best games within the gamecube era. Is he serious?

More of the awesome exceptional speed of f-zero gx. And that hilarious but involving storyline. And those amazing tracks. And that difficulty level.

More gx. In hd. In awesome mode. Bring it to us on wiiU, myamoto...

Hejiru

#145

Hejiru said:

This just goes to show that Nintendo really doesn't have any clue what fans actually want.

Chozo85

#146

Chozo85 said:

Sorry but since when did Nintendo care about a franchise not being able to offer anything new? The New Super Mario Bros series is hardly innovative is it? They are basically churning out the same old game over and over again. A HD F-Zero would be very popular, I'm sure. I loved GX, I thought it was the best racing game of the previous generation. Frankly I think the Wii U will need games like F-Zero if it is to be successful.

Expa0

#148

Expa0 said:

Oh boy, Miyamoto is being even stupidier than usual. He really should just retire already.

ShadJV

#149

ShadJV said:

People are missing the point. It's not a matter of whether NSMB is the same thing over and over. Sales for F-Zero had fallen so naturally Miyamoto assumed the series had grown stale. His method of keeping a series fresh is innovation and he didn't think of a good way to innovate the series that would save the sales. Perhaps he will now put forth more effort to think up something fresh for the series that will sell enough to revive the series. NSMB sells fine which is why Nintendo has started milking that series. In the end, it comes down to what franchises are making Nintendo money. F-Zero hadn't been doing that. Keep your fingers crossed that this will lead to Miyamoto taking the series out of hiatus. I would love an HD F-Zero with online.

SkywardLink98

#151

SkywardLink98 said:

Well, I suppose if no one bought previous games it makes sense as to why we haven't gotten an new installments.

JavierYHL

#152

JavierYHL said:

funny topic if nintendo fans can buy the 200th mario or pokemon why cant they buy another f zero?

Blue-Thunder

#153

Blue-Thunder said:

Maybe that's what is wrong at Nintendo, they just don't know what gamers want. I actually think a new F Zero should be a cross between F Zero on N64 and Stunt race FX on snes, with the graphics more like Stunt race FX. Also forget about casual game play, bring back the classic game play from the SNES era that made Nintendo great.

SCAR392

#154

SCAR392 said:

Just bring N64 DD games to the VC Nintendo as add-ons for those games. I would like to play Mario Art for the DD with the gamepad. As for F-Zero: add online, update graphics, more characters and crazy tracks. At least make another racing game if you aren't going to make another F-Zero, and it's gonna have to be really fast like F-zero, because that was the appeal, as well as the grachics. I don't know. I want an F-Zero, but if he's not going to make it, than they better have something good in store for us...

Chozo85

#155

Chozo85 said:

@ShadJV I take your point about being sales having a lot to do with it, I'm aware the New Super Mario Bros series sells by the bucket load. Having said that, I'm pretty sure F-Zero GX sold reasonably well back when it was released. If the GBA games sold badly it was because they weren't very good. I maintain that a HD F-Zero would do pretty well sales wise. I'm afraid its things like this that are increasingly turning me away from Nintendo. Many of the franchises I used to like, such as F-Zero, 1080 snowboarding, Wave Race and even Starfox have been more or less cast aside.

True_Hero

#156

True_Hero said:

Wow. So Miyamoto says something that the fans don't like and suddenly, he's gone insane/should retire. That's pretty petty.

aaronsullivan

#158

aaronsullivan said:

F-Zero has tremendous potential, IMO. Never been a huge fan (I did enjoy the original with its cutting edge mode 7 graphics!), and it hasn't been that successful as far as I know, but it could be reinvented to appeal to more people. It needs something to grab attention (how about interactive power distribution and management of the cars abilities on the GamePad while racing for some manic play?) and a character that matches the theme better captain falcon is sort of rediculous. :/ I'd kind of like them to avoid weapons and go for some other interactivity with the track and other cars, personally.

aaronsullivan

#159

aaronsullivan said:

i went totally off-track above. (har har) I was just going to say that I also think Miyamoto is a bit misunderstood in his phrasing as well. He's always checking to see what territories are interested in when he talks to the press.

Seancy

#160

Seancy said:

'but the series has evolved very little' - If that was a legit reason the entire New Super Mario Bros series shouldn't exist.

Kaine_Morrison

#161

Kaine_Morrison said:

The new F-Zero should have crazy arse tracks very similar to what was in the Speed Racer movies.
crazy long courses.
crazy insane jumps
crazy inverted tracks
crazy loops and twirls

Kyloctopus

#162

Kyloctopus said:

I'm puzzled that Miyamoto thinks we want another Mario, despite getting one 2 months ago.

SomeBitTripFan

#163

SomeBitTripFan said:

They could have F-Zero evolve by: Adding an action mode (Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter. They could combine high speed chases and then fights with whoever he is after), money (to purchase parts for your F-Zero) ,an exploreable world (think open world with challanges, street races, and maybe some form of Crazy Taxi-ish side-game (for extra money).

If you don't like these ideas, don't bash me. I'm making suggestions to prove F-Zero CAN evolve.

DrDaisy

#164

DrDaisy said:

I'd rather have a similar game than something new that could make the game terrible. Motion steeting without any other option sucks and I don't care what you're argument is!
On the other hand, how about a story mode for more than just Captain Falcon, online multi-player, difficulty settings, a new track editor that's available in all-regions without requiring extra hardware, multiple control options (and not requiring motion steering for any of the game modes or possible special events), more characters, and a create-a-vehicle option? Those are just off the top of my head.

madgear

#166

madgear said:

"It would appear that Miyamoto feels the franchise is unable to offer anything new, which is something of a blow for all of the F-Zero fans out there who are eagerly awaiting a new instalment."

What? That's not what he's saying at all! How could you all possibly interpret that as bad news? He's asking what we like about F-Zero and how we'd like a future instalment to be. He also asks us to "try and wait" - he's practically announced a new F-Zero! Talk about glass being half empty...

allav866

#167

allav866 said:

To say that F-Zero hasn't evolved is definitely a low blow. I liked X's improved graphics, and GX's machine editor, story mode, and... well, everything it had, including the bonuses you get with AX. How has it not evolved?! Better question: How can it evolve further?
Wii U can give it beautiful graphics and a great frame rate, but that's expected for a next-gen system. What the game doesn't already have is online multiplayer with 29 opponents, and a more in-depth machine creator. But what it's had for the past games has aged nicely.
It's a game that is more fast-paced than Mario Kart, and doesn't have banana peels or blue shells; just two forms of attack and a boost that drains your life each time you use it. It's simple, yes, but competitive and strategic. There's no rubber-banding, and if you lose, it's because of your own lack of skill. It's for that reason that it's a perfect game for online play. Plus, using the Virtual Ranking system from Mario Kart 7 can keep new players from racing players that are out of their league, and pros from racing unworthy opponents.
Miyamoto, people have wanted more F-Zero for a long time now, and Nintendo Land is not going to keep us satisfied. We need a new F-Zero game. If the first first-party racing game on the Wii U is another Mario Kart, I'll be very upset.

TimboBaggins

#170

TimboBaggins said:

seamless online play, gorgeous HD visuals, variety of race vehicles with a complex system of attributes, the ability to upgrade and improve your vehicle, compatibility with the new gamepad for course maps and power ups, and a decent story mode. These would make an awesome F-Zero.

retro_player_22

#171

retro_player_22 said:

@WaveWitch

I don't get the part where you said F-Zero GX is souless and had no charm, the game had a Story Mode, a vehicle customization option, and over 30 vehicles to play. I don't see how Nintendo's other F-Zero games would had charms but not GX considering they too were like GX in a way such as GP Legends for example. Adding in power-ups doesn't mix things up either, it would just become a WipEout clone if it were to be like that and to me the only thing that separate F-Zero from being like WipEout were the lack of power-ups.

ultrasann

#172

ultrasann said:

allav866 wrote:

To say that F-Zero hasn't evolved is definitely a low blow. I liked X's improved graphics, and GX's machine editor, story mode, and... well, everything it had, including the bonuses you get with AX. How has it not evolved?! Better question: How can it evolve further?
Wii U can give it beautiful graphics and a great frame rate, but that's expected for a next-gen system. What the game doesn't already have is online multiplayer with 29 opponents, and a more in-depth machine creator. But what it's had for the past games has aged nicely.
It's a game that is more fast-paced than Mario Kart, and doesn't have banana peels or blue shells; just two forms of attack and a boost that drains your life each time you use it. It's simple, yes, but competitive and strategic. There's no rubber-banding, and if you lose, it's because of your own lack of skill. It's for that reason that it's a perfect game for online play. Plus, using the Virtual Ranking system from Mario Kart 7 can keep new players from racing players that are out of their league, and pros from racing unworthy opponents.
Miyamoto, people have wanted more F-Zero for a long time now, and Nintendo Land is not going to keep us satisfied. We need a new F-Zero game. If the first first-party racing game on the Wii U is another Mario Kart, I'll be very upset.

@allav866 Here's the thing: As long as Mario Kart sells like hotcakes, "we have not grown weary of F-Zero" probably isn't gonna be that clear. If he's saying that "there's not much we can add," isn't that passively saying that F-Zero GX was practically a plateau in the series? :/

jkvasn

#176

jkvasn said:

F-Zero is totally welcome on my 3DS! But if they made one for the Wii U I think maybe a more advanced/realistic physics engine would be nice

renaryuugufan92

#179

renaryuugufan92 said:

F-Zero with online play at 60fps would be amazing on Wii U and they need to make it happen~

It seems so odd that the Wii never had a F-Zero game, the last F-Zero game I played was GX on the GameCube~ :O

kurtasbestos

#180

kurtasbestos said:

F-Zero GX is one of the best game I've ever played, and I kind of hated the original. It seems hard to top that game, but even if they just released a slightly fancier version of GX I would love to experience it all over again.

Trikeboy

#181

Trikeboy said:

F-Zero 64 was amazing. I was really gutted when they canned the 64DD because there was gonna be a level editor on the disk. Death Race was soooo much fun. My favorite courses were ones that had tubes. Going round and round was a blast.

Luffymcduck

#182

Luffymcduck said:

...

WHAT?!?
Are you joking Miyamoto?

Let me ask this then. Why New Super Mario Bros? What haven´t we seen before in that seires. Oh, it sells like crazy for some reason, that´s why.

Seriously F-Zero GX is easily in my top 10 best games ever list. You´re even making new Mario Karts every now and then without adding much new. We need a new F-Zero game with a proper online mode (30 players FTW).

New Story mode
new tracks
track editor
online play

That´s more than enough reasons why you have to make a new F-Zero for WiiU. Let Sega make it again if you´re not bothered.

Araknie

#183

Araknie said:

Oh boy they got no ideas? I didn't expect that, well ask SEGA if they have some before letting it go...please?

sketchturner

#185

sketchturner said:

When you have a game formula as perfect as GX, a sequel doesn't need to be radically different. It's not like Call of Duty fans need each annual installment to be radically different. Activision has found a winning formula. Nintendo found a winning formula and apparently didn't even realize it.

flightsaber

#188

flightsaber said:

He's got a point....I have a hard time imagining how to innovate the F-Zero series beyond what's been done before. If we can come up with some good ideas for innovating a game without car combat (as that can be done with mariokart), perhaps we can excite the developers about working on a new project.
Potential renovations and innovations:
I'd like to see an expansion of the death race from F-Zero X (local multiplayer death race), Zero-gravity sequences similar to Star Wars Episode 1: Pod Racing, Boss races (fly down a track while avoiding objects flung by a boss and other attacks. At the end of the race, cue a cutscene where you eject from your car, which slams into the boss and destroys it, saving the world), A gritty dialogue-wheel driven storyline allowing a player to race for money, for freedom, or for glory, Cooperative races where cars on a team can combine with each other once a lap to double the speed gained for a single boost before disconnecting (similar to Aegis Wing on Xbox live), etc.

ecco6t9

#190

ecco6t9 said:

New installments even if they change nothing are needed on the Wii U and 3DS.

Rect_Pola

#191

Rect_Pola said:

Really Miyamoto?
You are one of the top brains in a company; that has literally (and repeatedly) stacked their future on innovating the play-control dynamic, forcing developers(who had The Passion) to think outside the box to use these changes well. And YET, you cannot think of anything to do with F-zero that players might like.

Luffymcduck

#192

Luffymcduck said:

@sketchturner
Exactly. Now if only F-Zero sold like Call of Duty. There´s great injustice in the gaming industry. We want F-Zero and everyone has to buy it, muhahahaha.

Squid

#193

Squid said:

Err, I'm not sure that it's the best thing ever if the head of the company doesn't even know this yet.

JimLad

#194

JimLad said:

This is how out of touch he is.
Here's a hint Miyamoto...
OONNNNNNLLLLLIIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEEE MOOOOOOODDDDDEEEEEEESSSS
There's this thing called the internet, and you can play with other people from around the world.

Come on, you manage to come up with new Mario Karts every generation...
and New Super Bros' every five minutes...

Henmii

#195

Henmii said:

I rather have a new F-Zero on the Wii u, than yet another "new" Super Mario bros!!! Thank You very much!!

Luffymcduck

#198

Luffymcduck said:

It just wierd... there´s crappy looking F-Zero minigame in Nintendo Land. Maybe someone´s really making a new F-Zero, Miyamoto´s just trolling us.

doctor_doak

#199

doctor_doak said:

Well, I admire his attiude. Lord knows there are enough publishers who are happy to release the same game every year or two, and simply slap a higher digit on at the end of the title.

Still, looking at a game like Pikmin 3, how is that evolving from Pikmin 2?? It looks a similar game to me with HD graphics. NSMB isn't exactly breaking new territory either. So, it's sort of a strange comment to make in the context of what Nintendo are actually releasing.

Hybrid

#200

Hybrid said:

Dear Miyamoto,

Notice how Kid Icarus Uprising has a flight-part and a platforming-part?
Do that, have a racing-part and a platforming/brawler-part.
I mean, Cap Falcon is a Bounty Hunter, he can whoop ass (as seen in the SSB series).

Sure, this'll take an epic team to pull of, but it can totally work.

And yes, I do realize that this'll deviate from the original series, but maybe this way we can still have an epic title that's at least tied to the franchise...

Eyferann

#201

Eyferann said:

F-Zero U
Imagine the main action happening on the screen 3rd persion fast paced racing that we all know and love while on the tablet controller screen we have the first person view of the pilot. you can see every action the pilot makes to steer on the track, you can look out of the window and see first hand what is happening.

You can even include camera mode so you can see the faces of the ones you are racing.

Oh man Nintendo! THE POTENTIAL

Iggnytus

#202

Iggnytus said:

Nothing new you haven't done with it all ready? WHAT!? That is a load of bull poopy, I know it, you know, we all know it. You have one of the large'st video game empires at your finger tips, I'm sure you guys can think of something!

mtynd

#203

mtynd said:

"since the first episode on SNES many games have been made but the series has evolved very little. I thought people had grown weary of it."

Apparently this logic doesn't apply to NSMB titles.

shake_zula

#204

shake_zula said:

@mtynd: Or the 3D Mario titles. Or Mario Kart. Or Zelda. Or Smash Bros. Or Pikmin, or Kirby, or Donkey Kong. Nintendo are infamous throughout the gaming community for recycling their games. Not that there's anything wrong with it, since the games are amazing, but Miyamoto's comment here about F-Zero is ludicrous.

element187

#205

element187 said:

I agree with Shiggy, if they can't do anything fresh, its going to bomb.

just calling a generic space racer 'FZero' isn't going to guarantee sales.

Nintendo has statistics on how much the F-Zero minigame is played and how often the average person plays it...... Since its not a very popular attraction, they will have to know it will bomb as a full game.

AG-Wolf

#206

AG-Wolf said:

Every game in the F-Zero series has been such a technical masterpiece, I can't believe Miyamoto would think it doesn't deserve another sequel. F-Zero is my favorite Nintendo franchise ;_;

Where the rest of Nintendo's games have always been very approachable and accessible, every F-Zero game PUNISHES you from the beginning... the series requires so much practice and skill to simply perform moderately well, and to really excel at any one of the games, it takes dedication and mastery of every single one of its tiniest nuances.

The music, the atmosphere, the challenge of each game itself has always been what keeps me coming back. I own every title in the series, and I have been eagerly awaiting a new installment. I almost wish they would team-up with Sega's AV again to make the next one, albeit without the broken snaking/dakou bulls**t which ruined the leaderboards. Granted, a similar technique was uncovered in F-Zero X on the N64, but it's still a cheap maneuver.

For a new F-Zero game to be made, it needs to maintain the same tradition of difficulty and technicality that even the original SNES game had...

BL00D_FALC0N

#207

BL00D_FALC0N said:

What do you mean "you can't see y it needs another game" f zero is in my opinion the best game in the Nintendo franchise yes over Mario.

How about HD, better story mode with all the characters active and playable not just 1 or 8 characters but I mean ALL pilots, online gaming would be fantastic, deathmatches and other different challenges, better editing of tracks and add edit characters to that, when your online gaming how about some ranks, level ups leaderboards etc, different but similar gameplay if u know what I mean, Add new modes to the game. Something like that don't say "I don't know what else to do to it, be creative like you've always been.

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