The Switch is now over six months old, with that first half year flashing by in a blink. It's been the centrepiece in a big year for Nintendo, beginning with its full unveiling in a live January event through to its 3rd March launch. In that time we've had over 100 games on the eShop, along with some high quality retail offerings.
We shared some thoughts on the system's first six months in a recent 'Switch Report', but we're curious to know what you think of the home console / portable hybrid. The system may have earned its share of praise in the media and command a level of demand that sees plenty of stores struggling to top up stock, but does that reflect your levels of excitement about the device?
So, let us know in the polls and comments below - what have you thought of the Switch so far?
Including retail and the eShop, what do you think of the Switch game library so far? (7,606 votes)
The game line-up so far has been fantastic31%
It's been pretty good, not bad at all49%
I'm not sure4%
It's been a bit disappointing overall8%
The Switch game line-up has been rubbish so far2%
I don't have a Switch...6%
How do you play the Switch, most of the time? (7,045 votes)
I split time evenly between docked, tabletop and handheld play27%
I mostly play with the system docked30%
I mostly play in tabletop mode2%
I mostly play it as a handheld31%
Again, I don't have a Switch...11%
What's your overall feeling about the Switch after its first six months? (7,132 votes)
It's awesome and Nintendo's done a great job48%
I'm a fan and think it's doing quite well37%
Um, I dunno2%
I'm a little underwhelmed by the Switch so far6%
I think it's been a big disappointment1%
I don't have a Switch, so stop asking me about it...6%
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absolutely love my system so far. breath of the wild and mario kart have more than already justified this system for me. can't wait for odyssey and xenoblade!
Love my Switch. Solid start to the system - each month there's something new to play and that trend looks set to continue throughout the year. Plenty to look forward to. I mostly use mine docked but appreciate the ability to take it anywhere - certainly makes long weekends at the mother-in-laws a lot more tolerable...
As I have said before the Switch is shaping up to be my all time favourite console. Particularly as I am adult with a full time job the Switch fits into my life however I want it to. The dock is a fantastic idea and I can't wait to see what the future holds.
I think it speaks volumes that, though it lacks a huge library for now (for obvious reasons) the moment I received it on launch day, it's 90% replaced my Wii U and 3DS. Heck, my PS4 collected dust before, but now it's not even an option when I wonder about what I can play!
EDIT: I should clarify that Disgaea 5 is more than enough reason for me to justify buying a new console, but having Splatoon 2 on the same console, plus eventually getting Kirby AND Pokemon in the future means Switch doesn't have competition where I'm concerned. Being able to play any way I want cements that notion as well.
So far so good, Nintendo. I got some shocking news about Switch games. One of them was my favorite games from ps4 , ported to Switch in Physical retail. It was Portal Knights Switch version due to March 2018. AAAAAGGGHHH.....!!!
What do I think of Nintendo's ConsoleHybridHANDHELD you mean? Super Mario Odyssey is the first real must have for me and that's not out yet. The rest of the games are largely Wii U ports or glorified expansions. Sure there's been a few exceptions like Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle which looks like a great game. I have my Wii U for BOTW, MK8, Rayman Legends, Lego City Undercover, Shovel Knight, etc, etc, etc.
Then let's talk about other issues. No Virtual Console, no browser, lack of significant 3rd party support, expensive, underpowered, expensive accessories, no apps, ports are more expensive than on other consoles, terrible battery life, limited cartridge size, no D pad, controller issues, ridiculous voice chat setup, puny internal memory, etc. It's a handheld with TV Out.
I definitely split my time fairly evenly between docked and handheld play. Zelda BotW was just more impressive on the big screen and Mario Kart 8D multiplayer is far more enjoyable with a bigger screen, but I love playing 2D platformers like Shovel Knight, Wonder Boy and Blaster Master Zero in handheld mode.
I've hardly used it in tabletop mode, apart from for MK8D multiplayer. Might try Spla2n in tabletop, though.
The Switch was clearly a smart move by Nintendo, as the sales show. It's good to see that it's doing well.
However, it's still not that appealing to me personally. I rarely play games outside of the house, so portability doesn't do anything to me. Plus, quite a lot of the biggest hits on the system are similar to games that I've already played lots of on my Wii U. Then there's the cost of it, as it's more expensive than other consoles, the 32GB internal memory will quickly run out and Micro SD cards are expensive, it'll cost more to play using a more traditional pro controller, and third party games are generally more expensive and less pretty than on other systems.
So the console itself isn't something I'm keen on, but it's the games that matter. Once the Switch has Super Mario Odyssey and a Pokemon RPG, then I'll likely be a lot more positive.
Had a Switch since day 1 and it has been great. I have over 170 hours in Breath of the Wild, 30+ in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and I'm looking forward to Mario and Xenoblade at the end of the year.
This device has been everything that I love about Nintendo's handhelds and home consoles. When it's plugged into the dock it is a totally happy home console experience, but I can then pick it up and it becomes a handheld that is the most powerful that has been made. I've always been a fan of cartridges as a medium, so the Switch scratches all the right itches (and not any discs).
I'm looking forward to the consoles future, at this stage the forecast looks bright.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Just because you might use it primarily as a handheld doesn't mean everyone does. Personzlly, I use it most as a home console and occasionally take it out. The amazing thing about the Switch is it lets the player decide which way they want to play and doesn't just say "This is a home console" or "This is a handheld".
I got my Switch at retail in the first month itself along with Zelda and Fast RMX and I'm really enjoying it 6 months in. It doesn't even feel that six months have passed. Although I spend a lot of time in docked mode, constant trips here and there have made me take my Switch with me outside too, and so they're evenly split. The best thing about the Switch for me is the games obviously! Can't wait for Rocket League, Waifu Emblem Warriors and Mario Odyssey this year!
Love the hardware. The results of this poll showing that an equal amount of people are using it as a handheld, as a console and as a hybrid is testament to the success of the design. It's versatility makes it speak to more people.
On the games side, it doesn't have a game I completely love yet, but it has many I like, with some of my most anticipated ones still on the horizon.
It took me a second to remember what the Nintendo Switch was, but once I remembered that not everyone calls it the Breath of the Wild box, it made much more sense.
In all seriousness, I remember where the Wii U was at this point and the Switch is head and shoulders above. A huge Zelda doesn't hurt, but the indie support is really cool, and the option to import games is amazing. I just got my copy of Monster Hunter XX, so I'm looking forward to losing a few (hundred) more hours into my Joy Cons.
I'm really enjoying it so far, but due to only purchasing one recently and already owning Zelda on the Wii U, it's mostly a multiplayer console for me at the moment (Splatoon 2, ARMS, Mario Kart and Street Fighter being my current library). Looking forward to more story-based/single-player games in the future, with Mario Odyssey being a definite purchase.
@MrGawain I really love the Switch, but I'd argue that the PS4 currently has more must-buy titles than the Switch at the moment. I look forward to the volume changing in Nintendo's favour during the next couple of years though.
Breath of the Wild ALONE made the system worth buying. Add in Mario Kart and the upcoming Fire Emblem Warriors and I know that by the end of the year I'll have spent enough hours with it that I'll feel I've already gotten my money's worth out of the system.
I was raised on NES/SNES/GB. I moved over to PSX and then the X-Boxes in High School / College. I missed out on the whole N64/Gamecube/Wii/DS period. It was the 3DS and Wii-U that brought me back to Nintendo and I'm glad to be with the Switch from the get-go. I traded my Xbox One in for a Switch for my daughter (we're up to four Switches; mine, my wife's, my daughter's, and my son's) and I don't miss having it at all.
It had a slow start out of the gate (lack of games other than BotW), but things are shaping up nicely. We could definitely use more third party support, that's why I hope Rabbids does well on the system. For me personally, the system is great. They took the best part about the Wii U (off tv play) and made it the main selling point for the system. I've been playing Splatoon almost on a daily basis, and best of all, if my wife wants the tv, I can just keep going in handheld mode.
@MoonKnight7 And with games such as FIFA 18, NBA 2K18, Skyrim and L.A. Noire coming from big third parties and Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2, Pokemon and Metroid Prime 4 coming from Nintendo first party, its slow start out of the gate may well pay off!
I have found myself playing the switch less and less recently. the games lineup is really disappointing so far, the joy cons are uncomfortable both handheld and in their grip, and the system is just far to large for me to easily take anywhere.
For me it was a brilliant start with Zelda plus some cool indies and classic releases. Since finishing Zelda though I've been using it sparingly with the exception of Sonic Mania. I do have more games but I'm in the mood for something big and epic singleplayer wise. Mario Kart is good for a few quick races but I put most of my effort already in its initial Wii U incarnation. I do have Disgaea 5 and Fate but somehow not yet in the frame of mind to play them yet.
I expect that to change when Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade are released.
I LOVE the Switch's HYBRID nature (see @SLIGEACH_EIRE I can do it too! A mildly petty victory that I have successfully capitalised a word in an attempt to sway public opinion to follow my own thoughts and remove what I see is a gross error; except in my case I don't have to do mich work cos the majority of the people here can tell their arse from their elbow and what a product is by just seeing it in action rather than some random chump screaming their lungs off in a mere gaming website) as its allowed me to continue playing comfortably wherever I am. Plane, train, sofa, bed, desk, it has a mode for all.
Its still earpy days and I always see a console onpy really starts to take off (or begin to tank) after its first year. A strong start to the Switch but Nintendo can't be complacent.
@TommyTLG We're not getting a new Smash for years. A port of Wii U/3DS? Wait until E3 2018. We won't get it before then. Personally not having Smash doesn't break a decision to get a Switch.
I don't own it but a close friend does. The hardware itself is disappointing for a long list of reasons including ridiculous memory and battery life and the joycons are uncomfortable. Online is a joke. The library of games is not interesting for me as a Wii U owner and the pricing of the accessories and games is just not right. A hardware revision and if Super Mario Odyssey doesn't disappoint me are the two facts that could win me over and make me become an owner. As a side note, this is the first Nintendo console since SNES I'm not interested in.
@Refurin Yay...! You have similar case with me about your gaminghood. I was raised by NES & SNES during 90's, raised by PS1 on year 1998, by PS2 on year 2002, but Wii and NDS called me back to Nintendo again on year after 2006. 3DS , Wii U and Switch are empowering my Trust about Nintendo.
I love it, it is awesome! It could use a few additions and improvements that probably will be added in future updates but now that I have tried it I'd never be able to get back to what I was used before. It's fantastic!
@BlueOcean Well... At least the Indies for Switch are better than Horrible cheap indies on Wii U e-shop. Btw, Do you like Zelda or Minecraft ? Try Portal Knights. One of Good Indie games, published by 505 Games. It will be on Switch due to March 2018.
The Switch has some great games but most of them are available on other systems, and it still has several problems (like the ones @SLIGEACH_EIRE mentioned) that Nintendo has yet to address. I don't regret my purchase (except for buying ARMS as well), but I can't wait for an improved online experience.
Very solid and enjoyable system. Put many, many hours into this machine already. Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario + Rabbids, Voez, Fast RMX, and Blast Master Zero are currently my favourite games on it and I've enjoyed (and am enjoying) playing them still. Absolutely worth every penny!
@Anti-Matter Zelda? I love Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess and I was disappointed by Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Minecraft? I haven't played it.
Breath of the Wild may be the best game ever made. Other than that though... less than impressed. The portability is neat, but overshadowed by just how awful trying to play with the joycons is. Cramps after 5 minutes.
I couldn't be happier with the switch. It fits my needs perfectly. I missed out on the NES and now SNES because Im always working so if Nintendo really wants to make the Switch truly remarkable.....they will release all the Snes/Nes games INCLUDING Star Fox 2 on the Eshop. Do right by your loyal subjects. 😝
@Arno Agreed. The hybrid concept is not for me when it sacrifices so many things including power that negatively affects visuals and performance with many games having slowdowns on Switch. Besides, I know I would use it as a home console. It has a lot of silly restrictions too, like not being able to plug in an external HDD and the way it deals with online.
As a handheld is too big and has a ridiculous battery life and as a home console is so limited. As both, it needs so many accessories.
All in all I've been a bit disappointed. After BotW, nothing has really grabbed me and BotW I could have played on my Wii U. I'm holding out for Xenoblade 2, really, though Steamworld Dig 2 coming soon will be a nice use for the system. ARMS didn't grab me, Super Bomberman R didn't, 1, 2, Switch didn't, MK8D didn't, and Splatoon 2 hasn't caught my interest like the first game did, even with the single player stuff.
I still love and play my Wii U more than my Switch.
Still waiting to see footage of Metroid Prime and the reveal of a new Pikmin or Donkey Kong. As someone who's bought quite a few games on the Wii U, the Switch still hasn't much to offer me. And I really want to like Super Mario Odyssey, but for some weird reason I just can't get excited for it... I really like the concept, but I'll wait until I'm convinced that it can replace my Wii U
Yes definitely. Just initially, it was really lacking third party games. Things will be far better by the end of the year, but still I think we need more. That said, if the Switch sales continue to perform well, the third party games will come more steadily. First party games I'm not worried about.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "HANDHELD" Well, the poll is currently showing that most people use it docked. Although it can function as a handheld, it can also be used purely as a home console. It can't be called a pure handheld because of this. Like it or not, it IS a hybrid.
@Pluto14 I think that the problem with Super Mario Odyssey could be the Sonic Adventure hub city and the gimmicky Cappy which doesn't seem to be a logical expansion of Mario's moveset like FLUDD.
@CorvoRevo I agree, not having Halo, Gears of war, Forza, Uncharted, and God of war is inexcusable. Nintendo needs Sony and Microsoft developing on the switch, pronto!
@Ooyah Yes, it is hybrid, you can use it as a handheld or home console out of the box. The price to pay is that it has limitations as both a handheld and a home console and the reality is that according to all surveys most people use it as a home console.
It's been fairly good so far, but a ton of ports and few new games outside of Nintendo's own and Rabbids, plus a distinct lack of online co-op games.
I currently own a measly 6 games, that being MK8D/Zelda/Mario + Rabbids/Fate/Extella and Disgaea 5 (Which I find myself unable to properly finish) with Xenoverse 2 and One Piece being added this month. I'm also having trouble feeling much if any excitement for Xenoblade or Odyssey.
I use my Switch as home-console, only take it out of it's dock to check how it's doing and clean the dust off of it. Very rarely do I use the Joy-Con controller setup, since there's a great pro-controller hooked up for that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you can use the switch on the go, while also play with it on your television using a traditional controller. That describes the Switch and is literally the definition of a hybrid. A system which mixes both play styles and both machines in one. I mean the Switch could be solely a console if you don't remove it from the dock.
Then whats up with all the pessimism? Virtual console has been confirmed; 3th party is starting to come but needs it time (I mean we are only 6 months in and the Wii U burned support???); expensive (that is an opinion, I mean it sells like hot cakes. I know I know not in Ireland but whatever. PLUS its a handheld and console in one?!); expensive accessories (you do get some good controller back for it); no app (it was a handheld right, not a tablet?); port are more expensive (and this is Nintendos fault how?); terrible battery life (it was a handheld right, not a console?); limited cartridge size (there is also a limit on disc though. I mean the max Wii U blue ray size was 25gb); controller issues (Every console has it problems).
And yes there are some real problems, I am not denying that. Just putting some things into perspective.
The point of this lengthy post is, you're trying way to hard to find problems. Partly because you make the Switch into something it isn't. It does not pretent to be a tablet, hence the no apps. And it doesn't pretent to be solely a handheld, thats why the battery life sucks. And last but not least, it could be way more powerfull, use disc drives and have a D pad if it was a console. But its not. Its a hybrid system. And it doesn't pretend to be something else.
@BlueOcean Hold the phone, limits as a handheld? Like what? It's currently the best handheld out there if we're going by that! If anything, it's limits as home-console, are because it can function as a handheld as well (limited power due to space, cartridges instead of CD because that's what will fit, etc)
@crimsontadpoles Nice well written comment. Change Pokémon to XC2 at the end and thats why we'll be getting one this Christmas. I may have waited until next year, but in April I bought a $350 Xbox 1 bundle for $175 with the purpose of playing it for 6 months and then trading it in for $100 towards a Switch. I would have traded it in a few weeks ago - getting less use than I thought - but I'm still hoping for a Nintendo Direct after TGS to tell us about a Switch bundle this holiday. Or a BF deal at Gamestop.
I have minor complaints, but all in all I'm rather impressed. Six months into the Wii U's life there were far fewer compelling games to play, so that's got to count for something.
@Matthew010 No, although I have played multiplayer tabletop in Overcooked, Snipperclips, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Astro Duel Deluxe when I have been away from home, and it works great (at least for 2 players). I just wanted to point out that the tabletop mode is also one part of the Switch experience.
Many people like to trade in their physical media after they finish a game. I have a ritual of eating the media itself, so as to become one with the game contained within.
While cartridges have traditionally been easier to consume than disks, the Switch carts have made this a deeply unpalatable experience due to Nintendo's choice of acrid and bitter seasoning.
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More delicious media next time please Nintendo. Preferably in Tutti-Frutti.
Quite disappointed with the Switch so far. So little of the AAA content interests me. I'm playing through Breath of the Wild at the moment and while I appreciate it's a very nice game, it's not for me. I do like the Neo Geo releases and loved playing Samurai Shodown again, but I can't help thinking I'd be having more fun on a PS4 playing Gundam Vs and Monster Hunter World.
@UmniKnight Yes, it's much more limited as a home console, agreed. And it doesn't include a decent controller but the tiny joypads. Really, smaller that I thought and getting cramps when I use them. Good for you that you got the Switch pro controller.
@BlueOcean It's expensive, that's true. But it's a good controller, and I believe it's fairly sturdy, so I shouldn't need to buy a new one any-time soon. And why wouldn't one buy a pro-controller as a traditional gamer? That thing is the reason I've enjoyed many of my games.
@Randomname19 Then I agree, I do miss stuff like Netflix. But in the end its a gaming system first and foremost. After the MESSY Wii U debacle. I understand Nintendo's approach to establish and make clear to the mass market that this system is a gaming system, and not a tablet. Marketing is a big reason why the Wii U failed.
@jariw
Its Nintendo, ofcourse they are going to try to sell the old NES and SNES games again to the customers. I just REALLY hope that I will get Gamecube this time !
@UmniKnight Yes, that's why I bought one for Wii U and most of the time that I play Wii U I use it. I even sold Rayman Legends and bought it again for Xbox One (very cheap) because it can only be played single-player on the GamePad.
@UmniKnight If you want pure co-op, look into Overcooked, Death Squared, Mario+Rabbids and perhaps even ARMS. Then there are some 2-player platformers, like Shovel Knight, etc, that could count as co-op as well. I'd agree the selection is much wider for competitive local multiplayer games, but I think that's the way it'll always be on any platform.
Nintendo struck gold with this machine. One of the best first years I've ever seen for a console. Obviously, issues exist, but they're overshadowed by the joy of how versatile and fun the Switch is.
I swore up and down before that I wouldn't get a Switch until 2020, but I changed my tune once I saw that it's a hybrid, which is PERFECT for me.
I love mine! I feel satisfied with my purchase. This console has completely changed the way I game. No longer do I have to dedicate an hour or more to sitting in front of the TV.. I can play for 5 minutes or 1 hour wherever I am at. When I need to put it down I put it to sleep and do what I need to do. I split handheld and docked. My children usually watch my TV, so handheld is mostly what I use. Me and my buddies have Mario Kart tournaments at lunch break. The Switch is my go to system.
Everybody needs a pro controller. It's a must if you play it docked all the time. Like most have said I only take it out to dust off the dusty magic dust.
I love the concept, the build is good and the unique selling point is something consumers understand. I am not blown away by the software at a personal level and I am concerned about quality of third part support. But, I have some good games and more than enough on the horizon to keep me on the console.
Its library is limited, but my gaming habits have changed such that I want to play fewer games for longer. Zelda obviously fits that idea and so will Mario Odyssey.
So far, I've only bought Zelda, MK8DX and Sonic Mania. That will be it until Odyssey, I think!
Already one of my favorite consoles or handhelds ever! The concept is brilliant and the games have been fantastic. Nintendo are making all the right moves, particularly with their approach to a monthly big hitter!
I have been gaming since '82. The Switch is my favourite games machine ever made! I don't need state of the art realistic graphics to help portray a story...that's what movies are for lol! I need well thought out graphics that enhance gameplay. What's more, I am so excited to see how this concept develops. Who knows, one day we will be docking mobile phones in to our TVs to use as a home console. Then apps like Pokemon GO! would become very interesting!
@jariw true, but still I think the possibility is higher that it comes than lower looking at their old patterns. And why is SLIGEACH even complaining about it? If VC gets confirmed he is gonna moan about old ports and full price etc etc. He is only using it to complain anyway.
I sincerly hope that gamecube and n64 virtual console get confirmed though.
You make your own conclusion. There are a lot of ports, sure, but this is an amazing way to play them. First party Nintendo is having a great year with releases even if there are some ports on there. There's beginning to be some good variety of titles, and the indie scene is top. 3rd party needs some work with high quality games, but their starting to creep out, with the exceptional Mario + Rabbids, to a slew of sports games. I hope there will be more from the likes of Bethesda and Now Rockstar, and who knows what will be announced next?
Though I'm not 100% sold in Mario Odyssey. Currently playing Lego City that was on the Wii U also I just didn't get around to playing it. I could have kept my Wii U and just bought Lego City.
I was hoping for a new Mario Kart and a Mario 3D World 2 (or something like that).
Virtual console will come. Some sort of media player/browser may or may not come, it's not the end of the world but would be silly for Nintendo to leave it out, but it's understandable that it's not a priority. There is more that I want out of the system, but I also see it as being 30 seconds old, and don't want a repeat of poor VC content like the Wii U had, I want it done right. Better online is coming ,(how much better remains to be seen). Time will reveal all that the Switch will become, but I do feel that Nintendo needs to get a move on post holiday season.
@Anti-Matter What brought me back to Nintendo was primarily the ability to play games with my kids. Growing up being able to play games on the same couch with my friends, I really dislike the modern trend towards online-only multiplayer. I didn't really take much note of it before the kids because I was just gaming for myself. But then when they came along, I had all these games that would have been so fun to play with my kids but they were all only online. Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Mario 3D world, etc etc... there are so many games that I can play on one TV and have that experience that I did in the late 80s/ early 90s. Splatoon is the only one we can't all do on one system, but at least with the Switches we can sit around playing together in one room.
@Matthew010 Trust me its usually like a feather in the wind whether you get a response. When you've been here as long as some of us you get to know the "roles" people play here.
Some people just want to light the fuse but not stick around for the fireworks.
@invictus4000 Ok I'm saving that because its too too perfect!
@FX102A That guy in particular @Sligeach_eire seems to be too obsessed with posting first on every thread for as long as I've been reading Nintendo Life probably as an attempt at getting more attention than everyone else.
As I said before, from a pure hardware perspective, the Switch is the best game console ever made.
Consoles served a genuine purpose in the 80s, when PCs (to say nothing of game-capable PCs) were too expensive for many people. But gaming PCs have been affordable for a very long time now, and traditional consoles like the PS4 and XBox One are redundant.
The Switch, though, offers something that a PC can't. And it does what it does very well.
Now, if Nintendo would update that OS with some much-needed features, and roll out the Virtual Console, the Switch could really start making good on its promise.
I have to admit, I was pretty jaded by the time talk of the switch came around. I grew up playing Nintendo systems and really liked them, but many of nintendos choices over the years, and the fact that most of the games that I wanted to play were on other consoles, had caused me to lose interest. Step up to now, when I decided to buy a switch, it was under the thought that if this system didn't keep my interest, it would b my last Nintendo system. And admittedly, at first, it was looking that way. Despite critical acclaim, I just didn't like Zelda, or much else. Then a couple of indie games caught my interest, then a few of the consoles mainstays (namely MARIO kart and splatoon). Now, the switch has the potential to become my top system, depending on how certain situations play out. I hope it does.
The Switch is the perfect Nintendo system. It captures a niche market (plus - Console + Handheld versatility and sleep mode ... minus - not as powerful) compare to PS/XBOX (plus - super powerful ... minus - tied to TV, no sleep mode so can't stop game mid-level). The genius is that you CAN'T have both POWER + PORTABILITY - so there is room in market for both visions.
Personally, the switch is everything I want in a console because I can play Zelda on TV downstairs, and when my Wife comes home I can undock it and then play upstairs with her (either continue zelda, or go for a 2 player game on tabletop). The ability to SLEEP a game is genius for fitting it into modern adult lifestyles.
@BlueOcean SNES, GameCube, Wii, Wii U - none of those consoles had a mario kart game 6 month after system release. Only Nintendo 64 had that.
@EllenJMiller Are you sure you'll cope with buying a non-Nintendo game, like Steamworld Dig 2? I mean, if you buy games like 1-2-Switch instead of the better games available by developers not named Nintendo, it's kind of your own fault that you don't find good games to play.
@BlueOcean Hey Blue. Yep, agreed that there is a price to pay. I was primarily just countering Slig's point of calling it a handheld only. Indeed, I used the fact that more people use it docked to that purpose.
My household loves the Switch era. We have 3 Switches, 2 copies of Zelda-one of them the deluxe edition, 3 copies mario kart, 2 copies splatoon 2, ultra street fighter II, Mario+Rabbids, Lego City Undercover,Fast RMX, I am Setsuna, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, Sonic Mania, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Metal Slug, Aerofighters 2 and Puyo Puyo Tetris. We've also acquired 2 pro controllers, a spare set of joycons, a couple charging grips, an 8bitdo30pro controller, every BoTW amiibo, 3 skins, 4 carrying cases, a console travel case, 2 racing wheels and we have plans to get 2 copies of Mario Odyssey, Metroid Prime 4, Kirby 2018, Starlink, any harvestmoonlike game, and of course a slew of VC games one day. My family loves our Switches and is optomistic about the future.
@BlueOcean Some users said that Sligeach eire was kind of Autism people, need some Attention from people even provoking with bad attitudes. I don't know if it was true or not. Clearly, he is worshipping a "Dead" machine called Wii U more than any consoles , bashing Switch existence. He just want somewhat like Wii U but with AAA 3rd party PC games, AAA Graphic fidelity, Bulky storage probably even more than 2 Terrabyte. Just keep preaching him to embrace Nintendo Switch no matter what.
@Alikan I'm so envy that your family members Love Switch and getting along with Switch existence. Btw, how did you introduce your Switch to other people ? Did they got some attention or any interest ?
@Dr_Corndog Xbox One and PS4 are not redundant, a high-end PC equivalent to Xbox One X in terms of gaming performance costs a fortune. Consoles are more optimised for gaming.
@Anti-Matter I do agree with @SLIGEACH_EIRE in occasions but being always here just to post the first thing whatever the matter is equals to always be pursuing to be the first one under the spotlight.
I bought this console because they were hard to get. My plan was to play Zelda a little and resell it for a small profit. Because of the portability I have found it to be a life changer in regards to gaming. I love that I can play it on the go, in the subway, on breaks at work and in home in the dock. I have no plans to sell it now and am looking forward to all the games coming out soon!
Its ok, it just needs better games outside of Nintendo (just like the WiiU). Right now it just cant compete as a home console, it is a good 2nd console like a Vita or 3ds. It also needs yo deal with the game prices.
@MsgBoardGamer No, sir. Xbox One X is super-optimised and customised for gaming, just check Digital Foundry's technical reports. PCs are just not built that way! What is true is that it's currently easier to port PC games to consoles and vice versa, but that's not the point. That means that most third-party games are multiplatform games but the technical requirements of a PC will always be higher for achieving the same performance.
For me, the Switch has been part of two awesome experiences. First, Zelda. And second, easily taking the Switch with me when I was meeting my sister and her kids, and playing Overcooked and Mario Kart 8 all weekend. Going forward, I expect only more great times with the system. Inspired by NintendoLife, I'm working on building a cheap home theater for my Switch, and I'll be bringing the Switch with me on another family trip in a couple months for some more co-op cooking action (this time with a couple more Joy-con). I'm really looking forward to a lot of the games coming in the next few months, too.
I like the Nintendo Switch as a whole, but I am disappointed by the lack of Virtual Console 6 months after release. With the ability to switch between dock mode and handheld mode, there is so much potential for VC (just imagine playing your favorite N64 games on the go), but Nintendo is very slow to materialize that potential. I expected the VC to be available from day one! In a digital age, it is not too much to ask for.
I love my Switch so far! I was apprehensive when it was first revealed, but I think Nintendo has knocked it out of the park with this one. The Switch seems to be doing great sales-wise.
The only thing I still want is Virtual Console with GameCube and possibly Wii games. If they could get everything they had on the Wii U VC and just port it over, that'd would be awesome.
I think the Switch is a great system, and it's game library is pretty good so far. It already has games from my favorite series (Sonic, Splatoon, Mario Kart), and I love how there's a good variety of games. Plus, there's a lot more coming in the near future to look forward to, like Forces, Xenoblade2, and Odyssey. And to be honest, I haven't even really explored what the eShop has to offer besides Sonic Mania, since I already have so many games I'm currently playing. Still, I should probably get to that... I blame Splatoon.
@BlueOcean A GTX 1070 (or even a 1060) in pretty much any PC with a PCI-e slot will way way out perform an Xbox 1 and PS4. Even if the CPU and RAM are just average. PC gaming does not cost that much and will last much longer than a console. There is no comparing a console to PC. PC will always win.
@Anti-Matter Unless you're trained at diagnosing these sorts of things, it's rather insensitive, inappropriate and insulting to suggest that someone is autistic.
I honestly couldn't be happier with my Nintendo Switch. Zelda Breath of the Wild is my new favourite Zelda game and Splatoon 2 is an absolute joy to play. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe I do love but most of that love comes from the fact I love the original as well. Easily my least favourite game but still awesome nonetheless. However, if there's just 1 thing I'd say that needs to be improved, it's the stock issue. Obviously this doesn't apply to me because I own 1 but I really want people to be able to get in and enjoy this fantastic console, in a way I actually feel guilty for being able to play on this system while knowing others cannot do the same due to the stock issues. Overall, absolutely amazing experience and with Pokken Tournament DX, Fire Emblem Warriors, and Super Mario Odyssey on the way, it can only get better.
@Hawkstream You can't build a PC that has the same gaming performance as an Xbox One X using "equivalent" PC parts and if you build it with better components to match its gaming performance it will cost you thousands of euros/dollars. You can't buy its components and make your own Xbox One X either because it doesn't use out-of-the-shelf components, so my point stands whatever yout argument is. It's the most optimised console ever made according to all experts and, certainly, much more optimised for gaming than any PC.
I've been really enjoying my time with the switch so far. With amazing single-player experiences like Zelda, and Super fun multiplayer games like Splatoon 2, Mario kart, and Snipperclips. I hope the Switch is supported for many years to come.
I'm enjoying the Switch. Mostly play docked, but being able to continue playing anywhere is fantastic. Already put 250 hours into Zelda (just got my 600th Koruk Seed, still looking for 4 more Shrines) - I think it would be 150 hours if it wasn't a Hybrid
@MariOnline I heard from other users long time ago. I didn't really remember when but I still remember one of user here is a Psychologist. That user was talking about Sligeach eire attitudes. Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse someone.
Upon buying switch i sold my wiiu and after a while playing breath of the wild and mario kart I miss Wii u games. I wish they released all wiiu games on switch, I don't mind re-buying my favorites.
Six months in, someone in the family is playing on the Switch almost every day. As a console it's more than adequate for our needs, and it goes everywhere with us putting console experiences in a portable form. Not a single glitch or failure.
On the software side of things, we've got six or seven games that I believe we'll be playing years from now, including a few that can't be had on any other platform, much less a portable one. And more are coming by the end of the year, to say nothing of the unknown future. If Nintendo dropped support for the Switch completely after 2017, I'd still be happy with it - obviously this wouldn't be ideal, but it would be sufficient to justify buying the Switch.
Still a few areas where the experience could be improved, including VC and some UI upgrades. But those things are icing on the cake. Minus the icing, you've already got a pretty tasty cake.
Only being out for 6 months, the game library is crazy good. Provided you haven't owned any new game systems in recent years... As a Wii U and PS4 owner, most of the titles that would interest me on the Switch are games I've already played.
So far, Arms is the only game on my list towards Switch games that would convince me it's worth buying the system. Kirby and maybe Pokémon will be too, but for the foreseeable future the Switch just doesn't appeal to me.
I've been very underwhelmed by the Switch, and still prefer the Wii U. So I won't be buying one, but I'm glad most who own one are enjoying themselves.
@MsgBoardGamer Gosh... So complicated way to enjoy the games... I prefer simple and easy, just a Handheld or Console to play. No installing, just insert the Disc / Cart, wait for a while, Playing time.
@MsgBoardGamer Yes, with PC you can upgrade but with consoles you get better value for your money, zero compatibility issues, etc. Yes, Xbox Gold isn't free but it's the best paid online service and has deals and free games. My reaction was to the person that said "Xbox/PS are redundant" because they are not. If you are a console gamer you are likely not interested in high-end PCs and vice versa, they are very different proposals for different kind of people.
Still waiting to see how the VC, online, and next year's support pans out before dropping $400+ on a new system. Right now between PC, PS4, and XB1 I have more than enough to choose from, and I honestly would never use it off the dock, all my gaming is done either on the couch or in the office chair, including my 3DS and Vita.
You will never please everyone, such is life, although I do notice that some people are still suffering from ring sting when it comes to Switch's somewhat awesome form factor. I politely suggest that those who want all-out power bite the bullet and go elsewhere, whereas I would recommend the detractors who seem to thrive on going over-the-top with thier complaints take a running jump.
Me? Well, I've just come back from Florence and guess what? I took my console with me, in my hand luggage no less.
Switch - for me at least - is genius, and one of Nintendo's best consoles to date.
@MsgBoardGamer Micro$oft? They have improved so much towards users: cross-play including Switch and PC, cross-buy, free backwards compatibility, sign-in and play your collection, etc. They are the most costumer-friendly company at the moment, their future is more than guaranteed. Is Sony ($ony) who is becoming greedier this gen and they don't want cross-play with the others. Nintendo? Well, they are just being... Nintendo.
As things stand right now, this very moment, I'm just a little disappointed. I know that there is some great stuff coming in the future, Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2 are going to be amazing, but for the time being, Nintendo has given me little reason to turn my Switch on every day. In fact, I really only turn it on maybe once a week to play Mario Kart while having a few drinks. For my purposes, the Switch lacks that killer app that would keep me coming back. 3DS is still my primary console and it looks like it will be that way until the Switch gets Pokémon, Animal Crossing, and perhaps a Virtual Console service, though I'm not holding my breath on that last one.
I was more excited at this six month time frame with my Wii U. Far better line up of big games compared to a lot of indies. We all know how that went. There would never be another season of games like the Wii U launch. Only game that has really made the Switch superior to the Wii U is Zelda and the fact that the Switch can be taken in the road or played on the tv.
I love how focused and simplistic the Switch is. There's no extra fluff that seems to be so common on today's consoles, the OS is quick, and the system just focuses on games like it should. If I need to browse the web or stream something, I have a phone and a computer that can do that easily. It's absolutely delightful how quickly the majority of the games I have boot up and load. I even had a system update just now that literally took about 7 seconds. If I had one complaint, I think they need to add themes like the 3DS has.
I've put 350+ hours into BOTW, spanning both regular and Master modes. I also have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, FAST RMX, Snake Pass, Sonic Mania, Blaster Master Zero, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, and Azure Striker Gunvolt Striker Pack. I love all of them, and I'm looking forward to Mario Odyssey, Axiom Verge, and especially Metroid Prime 4. The Switch looks set to be one of my favorite Nintendo products and might just supplant the 3DS as my favorite Nintendo handheld.
It's a great arcade machine, thank HAMSTER, Namco, and ZeroDiv! Great for old fogeys like me who spent more game time in the 80's and 90's playing at the arcade than with my home consoles and computer.
Speaking of NEOGEO, it would cost hundreds to thousands of dollars more to invest in a home system, modded home system, MVS, plus games, and maybe a scaler like a Framemeister, to duplicate the experience you can get with a Switch and a modern LED TV/computer monitor. Authenticies be damned, the emulation is great as-is, and you can take it to work/college and play a few games during breaks.
Of course, a lot of the new stuff is good, too. But you've already read that from others in this thread.
Bought the Switch day 1 & haven't regretted it. Botw & Mk8 were great the first few months. Arms was fun & my nephews loved it table top mode while we vacationed. Mario + Rabbids has been a surprise hit. Steamworld dig 2 in a couple weeks. Fire Emblem & Mario Odyssey next month. This winter I'll be indoors finishing them all. Great year for Nintendo!
As for the games, I'm still waiting for Virtual Console, and as for the system, I'm still waiting for an Internet browser, YouTube, real voice chat or some way to message our friends, & Netflix. Other than that, the games so far are very solid & the system itself is good.
The game lineup is not stellar and the lack of Bluetooth head set support when docked is baffling. In all seriousness for people who owned Wii U there isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch yet. Mario Odyssey does look great though.
To me the line up will start to get strong from now on with the arrive of FE Warriors, Mario, Xeno and nights of azure (something like that), and next year with metroid, fire emblem etc etc.
But the best aspect is the foundation, the Switch itself is an amazing console, which will be the base to many many great games.
I like the concept of the Switch but I don't expect to get one for at least another year. The only games that appeal to me that are currently out are ones I've got on wii u.
And zero backwards compatibility is a big drawback for me. I'm very disappointed that it's not compatible with any older controllers. I feel Nintendo has become much less consumer friendly in the Switch generation. I don't really like the joycons, so it would've been nice if it were at least compatible with the wii u pro controller.
Right now for the cost, the switch is just not worth it to me. I'm not going to spend around $700 (CAN) just to play Mario Kart 8 and Breath of the Wild on the go.
But I'm glad it's doing well and those that have it are enjoying it.
Not even a year and this is shaping up to be the greatest Nintendo hardware in history. The console is so amazingly versatile and the lineup is shaping up to be the best Nintendo's ever offered. I mean, we've already got a groundbreaking open world 3D Zelda, a fresh and original sandbox Mario game, a sequel to the greatest new IP Nintendo's created in years, and Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon on the way. This is such a killer lineup that I don't even know what else I want on it.
Now that's not to say there's not improvements to be made, VC needs to get here yesterday, and in general they need to offer more in the way of online and apps, but in general this is the greatest thing I've ever seen Nintendo create.
Eh, all systems start off slow...I think the thing was overhyped, and of course Nintendo decides to gives us stock issues YET AGAIN. But I eventually nabbed the thing, and even though it doesn't have many games for me...it still gets Monster Hunter. Reading isn't all that important for those games, and the Switch is region free so I still have a MH game that'll keep me busy for a while. (until World shows up)
It was the same case with the Wii U, crappy start, but it got MH3U so I was good for a while. Only difference is that XX is Japanese only right now. xD
@Joeynator3000 Monster Hunter was going to be my reason to get a Switch. I, like so many, just assumed the next main MH game would be coming to Switch, before MH World was announced.
It's cool that switch is region free but playing MHXX in Japanese just isn't enough for me to justify the expense of a Switch at this point.
@tedko I'm learning Japanese characters....well, recognizing some of them anyways. xD But yeah menus can be confusing at first but you get used them in a day or so.
Me too, but also interested in a possible hardware revision to fix some issues.
The lack of compatibility with Wii U pro controller is silly (greedy) and of course no cross-buy not even for Breath of the Wild which was a dual-launch. It's like they are selling the same things again: games, controllers, etc. Fine for those who don't have a Wii U but not a nice attitude towards their most loyal fans. I don't like the joycons either, they're tiny and don't even have a D-pad.
@Joeynator3000 But it really sucks to have to deal with Japanese if you don't understand it. I know you're fine with it and it's the only way but that's a bummer. I find MH menus to be quite complex. I expect Capcom to localise the game but that won't happen until 2018.
@BlueOcean I'm thinking the same, but no one believes me...they're waiting till next year so Switch owners won't feel left out once World releases on every other system. But yeah menus don't bother me much, the games are all about the gameplay anyway. xp
@Joeynator3000@BlueOcean I think I could maybe manage with the Japanese text, but the biggest drawback for me would be no save transfer from Gen. I just can't see myself redoing all those early quests.
I'm also cautiously optimistic about a localization of XX sometime next year.
The switch being portable and a console is what I wanted out of the wii-u, but now it's been perfected. The library has been great so far and is so promising in the future, heck even now i have some games waiting in my wishlist i want to play. I have a 1 1/2 month old baby and i can tell you SWITCH has been a blessing, being able to play anywhere in the house that I may have to be at the time with him. I can only play my ps4 mostly when the wife is watching him. Switch has been 10/10 for me so far, and fire emblem warriors and the main game are going to be amazing!
@BlueOcean
I can read Hiragana and Katakana words.
They are quite easy for me.
But Kanji words are the Difficult one.
You must memorized two kinds of Spelling: Kunyomi (Japanese spelling) & Onyomi (Chinese spelling).
Since I live in Indonesia, part of Asia with Chinese influence, I got benefit from my childhood Chinese lesson when I was kid.
But unfortunately I have less interest with Chinese words now, instead I have more interest with Japanese words.
@tedko I'm not totally sure either but Capcom is usually the third-party with the most ports and re-releases. So there's no cross-save between different regions on Switch?
Loving it, aside from a few minor gripes. Not being able to message friends, folders, lack of apps, and no VC. Other than that, this is probably the most fun I've had with a system in a while. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, its first year is leagues better than Wii U's. I didn't get either 360 or Xbox One in their first years (I can wait on consoles that I get for third-party games) so I can't compare those two based on firsthand experience, but from the outside looking in, the latter was pretty bad in year one.
Can't really ask for much more, especially since the lineup is filling out quite nicely for a first year console.
@tedko
If you get the game, there's a few of us playing. I converted my Generations save to MHX, imported into MHXX then used the save transfer app to shoot my save over to Switch. And now I can transfer back and forth (which is useful since 3DS version has an English patch).
The game is incredible though. I forget I'm even playing a JP game half the time, it's just so easy. Within 72 hrs I learned how to do everything- set up lobbies, search friends online for hubs, Meownster Hunters, farm items, edit Guild Card, store item and equipment sets for easy swapping between quests, figured out all kinds of workarounds like having both hot/cold drinks in each item set, then sending back what I don't need with the cat at the base, but now I noticed there's art on background of quest which shows you the environment you'll be in... learned all the colors for types of hunts... learned by muscle memory how to find gestures, made dozens of English preset chat messages...
We hunt every single evening. And I've posted tons of pics of menus with English for guides... This was my first time importing and holy cow, it couldn't have been easier. I can't believe I almost skipped this game because of the language barrier at one point. Now I realize there is no barrier. Just a 3 day learning curve
@Octorok385
Come talk MHXX with us and/or hunt with us in the forum... there's a handful of us that imported. And more people I'm running into every day on this site that have the game.
Hmm...let's see, bad erconomics of handheld mode and joycons, barebone software, expensive accessories and so on. Other than that, I think it's great, and in the future when these problems will get fixes, it will become great for real.
I'm a little depressed by the Switch. I got one for my birthday in March, but so far I haven't had any good experiences with it. Nothing. I've been using it just to make myself like it more, but it really isn't working. I hate the white depressing background and the lack of apps.
I've been playing Miitopia on my New 3DS XL lately and I am sad to say this, but the Switch does not measure up.
I'm a lonely kind of girl, without friends, and I have a very lacking imagination. The 3DS cheers me right up with nice music and rotating backgrounds and Miitopia does not require a large amount of imagination to be enjoyable. It's easily the best game I've played in a long time. It brings a smile to my face. No Switch game has done that yet.
@tedko Yes you need custom firmware, but you actually don't need MHX (the tool converts your save to MHX for you), you just need a copy of MHXX to import that MHX save file into. There s an English patch for it too which makes having it especially valuable for reference, particularly when you can use the official transfer app to send your save back and forth between versions (play til G rank, oh need to craft? send save over to English 3DS version, check what you need and where to get it, then resume playing on Switch).
But some people just started a new save file. Personally I think it's worth modding the 3DS for. I had 400 hrs into Gen, so it was nice starting out in high rank. But I was prepared to start new from scratch if needed. There are a couple people hunting low rank, and couple in high rank, so either way there's people here to hunt with
@BlueOcean I don't want to be harsh, but PC is much better and much cheaper especially in the long run with lower price games, FREE online, mods, backward compatibility,upgrade-ability. Switch and PC are the perfect combination imho. I own PC/PS4/Switch/3DS and was an owner of Xbone but will no longer support MS.
I'm enjoying my Switch way more than I was expecting to. I think the Switch has found a very special niche in the game market, and is doing a great job at releasing a steady stream of games without feeling oversaturated with Mario fatigue.
The only downside I see long term is when the "PS5/X-Box2" generation starts revving up. Currently the Switch is behind in raw power, but can keep up with some of the newer releases. But in about 3 more years, I doubt it will be unable to play any of the AAA games available.
Now, if the VR game market takes off (huge IF, there) then I can see the Switch coming out with a Pro/Plus/XL version with a higher screen resolution that can be popped into a VR headset. The HD rumble in the joycons is perfect for this type of integration. But I imagine that's about as much of an upgrade as we're going to get until the next generation.
I play 100% portable unless playing multiplayer. I love the versatile design of the Switch. That said, I am quickly growing bored. There isn't a lot on the eShop that interests me (and a lot of it is very expensive) and I've already played to death every retail game I wanted to play so far. VC support would help fill in the gaps a little. I'm just patiently waiting for Mario Odyssey at this point. Not really much of interest announced after that aside from Pokemon and Metroid.
I want a Switch, but I feel like the only games I'd want for it now are games I already own in some capacity (Zelda, Mario Kart 8, Skyrim, Shovel Knight, et cetera). Waiting to see how Odyssey and the paid Nintendo online service does.
I'm enjoying my Switch a lot and have a long list of games I'm planning to buy for it - a list that is longer than my entire library of Wii U games. Even though I've really liked this console right from the start when I got it at launch as my Zelda-machiene, it was actually at Gamescom this year, where it really shined. You see, I get to work by bike and usually don't have that many opportunities to use handheld mode. If you've ever been at Gamescom you know you'll be doing one thing much more than anything else: waiting in line. So far my 3DS kept me entertained and as much as I love that thing, I have to admit: nothing beats waiting in line for Super Mario Odyssey for 3 hours while playing Spatoon 2 - a game people are waiting in line for right next to you for to 2 hours. Even though I always had my 3DS with me at Gamescom, I have to admit with my Switch I've never been bothered less by hours of waiting in line. I also have to admit some people waiting in line with me somewhere not-Nintendo (NiNoKuni 2 for example - great game, btw) were incredibly curious about my Switch and were watching me play the entire time. xD
I know I'll never be using handheld mode that much, but I also know I'll deeply appreciate it when I do. With my 3DS in toe I have access to my entire catalouge of games on the go, which is amazing.
I really didn't love Breath of the Wild, and Zelda is a system seller for me. However, the fact that I still love the Switch itself speaks volumes for the hardware. So many good games on the horizon, too, so I'm very excited for the future.
The one thing holding it back for me is the lack of Virtual Console. The Wii U had the best VC so far (especially with GBA games), so it would be heartbreaking if the Switch didn't match the VC of it's predecessor.
It's a very strong start, but if the Virtual Console issue was sorted it would be so much more. GBA, SNES, N64 (and hopefully GC) all on one portable/handheld hybrid sounds like a dream to me.
I think everyone that owns it seems to adore it. I'm still not 100% sold because of a few niggles and worries here and there, but I can see why people have a lot of love for it.
I know this is going off topic but when I see people like BlueOcean say things like it "cost you thousands of euros/dollars" to build a PC better than an Xbox One X it really bothers me. And honestly I blame Apple for giving kids such uniformed impressions of modern electronics. They are the ones that started making laptops, phones, and tablets where you couldn't even remove the battery or add a SD card. This makes people think there is some kind of magic going on inside and its unthinkable to ever open or alter it. This is the only explanation I can think of as to why kids don't understand how easy and cheap it is to build or upgrade a PC with a good video card that will far outperform a "secret, unopenable box running magic inside" ...console. (sadly rolls eyes).
@Hawkstream Just don't overthinking. Why should I throw some Hundred Dollars or Euros just only for Graphic fidelity ? No thanks. I would rather choose a Handheld or a Console. Simple and easy.
@CorvoRevo Underpowered? That must be a joke, because the Switch is actually quite powerful for its time. No games? Clearly you think the only games in existence are Call of Duty and Halo, because you forgot that BotW and Mario Odyssey exists. Call of Duty might eventually get a game on the switch, because it had games on Nintendo consoles since the GameCube. Halo is an XBOX EXCLUSIVE, of course it's not going to be on the switch. Joycons are too small? They feel great in my hands, idk what you're talking about. You can play your games in different ways, like a pro controller of the controller that already comes with the damn system. If the dock is scratching your switch, you can just get a screen protector for 5 dollars at 5 below. Yeah sure it's the worst console ever, you clearly never heard of the CDi.
@Zelda_Geek Pardon of this hubbub. Clearly he was a Blind fanboys with very arrogant attitudes. He thought Nintendo must have exactly same games as he desired. Just ignore him.
@Anti-Matter That's fine. I love my consoles too. But I also love my PC with GTX 1070. My problem is people who have to chose one and bash the other and even worse than that is people with a total lack of understanding of PCs all together!
I think the games and the system itself are really good. The OS needs some major work and the lack of any information on the virtual console is absolutely insane and infuriating.
Very impressed with the Switch. After the awful Wii U and underwhelming 3DS I was nearly done with Nintendo. I didn't think they'd come out with well-designed, quality hardware that fulfils its clear purpose very well and doesn't rely on 'innovation for innovations sake' to distinguish itself.
I also didn't expect them to grasp the need to launch well especially in terms of their first party software but they've kept up a well-paced stream of releases. Because of that sales continue to grow and third-party support will do the same.
I can sum up Switch with two simple statements. The software is good enough that I own 23 games. It's versatility means I use it more than my PS4 Pro and Xbox 1S. So far so good.
@MsgBoardGamer Not from Microsoft but from extremely reliable sources like Digital Foundry and from third-party developers that have explained how much they can bump up the resolution and performance of the games compared to a PC with equivalent specs, just Google all that. People here just don't care enough to read that but on most multiplatform sites they do and know all this. I've never said anything negative about PCs, in between, and I won't go into a loop repeating myself either since it's not the topic.
The split for how people use their switch is very interesting.
Currently:
32% docked
32% undocked
28% split between the two
Thise figures suggest it really is being viewed by the masses as true hybrid console. In the sense that the split in how people choose to use it is almost dead even.
I love my Switch, and it is has quickly become my favorite Nintendo console since the N64, if not the SNES and has also changed the way I play video games. I never thought I would be able to play a game as sprawling and complex as BOTW or Mario Odyssey on the go and am still amazed by that. The first-party lineup is killer, and it seems that a lot of third-party developers are starting to get on board. The only glaring issue for me is the lack of a Virtual Console (especially in light of the NES/SNES Classics debacles), and once that is inevitably added, my Switch will never leave my hands.
I think Nintendo has overall the strongest library of games out of the gate on the Switch in comparrison to Xbox One and PS4 for first party. Even though some of those titles on Switch were intentiinally held for the Switch like Zelda and probably Splatoon 2/Mario.
@gatorboi352 Then why not just go with a gaming PC? Sure it would be more expensive, but matching X1X specs wouldn't cost that much more, you could surpass them easily if you chose, and you could just upgrade a component or two in a year or two to keep pace with the tech rather than trading in a console. Besides, Sony and Microsoft have spent the last three E3s highlighting how PC-like their consoles are; I see no reason to settle for that when an actual PC is an option.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I agree with your assessment of the Switch so far. I want to play Odyssey when it releases but I'm not buying a Switch unless they redesign the controls/tablet etc. Maybe by the time Prime 4 releases I'll be sold on one but improvements need to be made.
Not bad at all for the first six months. Anyone who buys a Switch today is in great shape as there's plenty of great games to play!! The way things are going, another six months from now should reveal plenty more surprises!! For me only one key thing is still missing.....VIRTUAL CONSOLE!!!!!
I don't have a switch yet. But I'm sure I'll love it. Right now I can't justify the price for it. I only got my Wii U beginning 2016 and I still have many games to play on it. I'm having fun getting more games for my Wii U at around 20eur or less each. And I remember that I got my Wii U with the splatoon and mk8 bundle for around 250eur. The switch is 330eur WITHOUT any game, and each new game for the switch is around 50/60 eur. Too pricey for me. I should only buy one in 2018 or 2019, although I would love to play splatoon 2 now.
The Wii U is lovely and many friends that I know often ask more about it once they try it, as they are amazed with the "dual screen" functionality of it. They don't believe that is an "old system". The wii u graphics look great on my 4K tv. Many different games to play and so little time. I honestly feel if Nintendo showcased better the Wii U games, more people would had bought it.
I feel like the selection of games on offer and on the horizon is already very strong, at least to my tastes. (of course I do hope to see more 3rd party support come 2018)
If it weren't for PC gaming (on a mere GTX 760 but still going strong at 60fps minimum), I'd just be spending way more time on the few Switch games I have, and maybe even buying a few more. Yeah, I'm happy with Switch despite its lack of a proper D-pad and BORING home menu.
(By the way, whose idea was it for the menu's game titles to have "The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the" when there's still more than enough room on the screen for "Wild"?)
@maceng yeah, it's just more than I'm willing to pay for what it currently has to offer. I'm waiting for an improved edition with a lower price and/or bundle.
@DinSquid I've always loved the wii u and still use it regularly. I never understood the hate that it got. I've still got a backlog on it to play through, and it can't be beat for local multiplayer. MK8 and Smash is the perfect game night combo.
There are obviously a ton of flaws regarding the Switch if you were to list them out, and I hope Nintendo fixes/tries to fix those issues as time progresses. Generally speaking, for me, I have had a fun time with the system.
@tedko I think that the price is correct (specially f it makes me ditch my 3DS), but, yes, controllers (I always buy a pro controller: big hands) are way too expensive. Last Thursday I went on a shopping spree and bought 3 PS4 controllers for less than 100 dollars, plus 50 dollars worth of PC (Steam) games. Read: 7 games!
I'm too hoping for a decent bundle on Black Friday.
There are several games I enjoy on the Switch, though I'm hearing that many of them debuted on Playstation or Ouya already. The games unique to Switch haven't drawn me in just yet (It's rare that I enjoy a Zelda game, and BOTW is no exception. I l ike linear games.) I don't see Stupid Mario Hat: Mind over Mutant winning me over, either. I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 this year, though.
The hybrid nature of the console doesn't do it for me. The Switch feels barren in features compared to both the Wii U and 3DS. Wake me up when it starts having themes, the Badge Arcade, or Miis running around holding up game titles. The interface is boring. I have to see is thing every time I boot it up, so make it less dull.
Despite my complaints, the Switch is still a good handheld and passable console. I tend to see it as a handheld clumsily trying to be a console so Nintendo doesn't have to admit that they're leaning on their portable market to prop their console market back up.
"Why are your home consoles so behind the times, Nintendo?"
"Well, that depends. What is a home console? Have we ever defined what a home console is? Maybe our awesome portables are actually home consoles. From that perspective, we do very well."
This has definitely been my favourite console launch. Never had as much discussions with friends about any other console. Even seeing people's reaction to it is great. If you're reviewing a console you should be doing it as a standalone review. The fact that Nintendo's previous console left you feeling "burned" or abandoned shouldn't affect a review on this new console. Especially if you don't own said console. Yes it has issues but that hasn't affected my enjoyment of all the great games I'm currently enjoying on it.
@jariw I thought some about it, but I don't think it's my type of game. Plus with Samus Returns coming in less than a week, and with school to worry about, I don't think I could fit it in at the moment.
I don't have a Switch yet, but its had an awesome first six months. Lack of virtual console kinda stinks, but for me, that's not such an issue since for the most part, the VC is covered well between the Wii, Wii U and 3DS.
I completely agree. In short words... the Switch is overhyped. Maybe the hype will be justified a year from now, but I seriously doubt it. A couple of good games coming up, but right now the Wii U offers about the same.
For me since Zelda which was awesome, its been buyers remorse. I actually just listed my Switch with 3 games on Ebay for 380.00 if anyone is interested. The current gaming line up and the next year are not my cup of tea. My last home console purchase for this old man system includes- Zelda, MarioKart and Cave Story. If there is a way to keep the 5 Eshop games on it I will try and leave those on it too.
******system has been sold****** well gang the significance of it all is that I wont ever be buying another home console in my life. Im a 52 year old man who still loves gaming. But the 3ds is my favorite system of all time and I have a huge backlog for it and my Wii, and PS2. I will just play what I have. I was quite frustrated with the Switch. The current content was not to my liking except for Zelda Breath of the Wild. Future content was nothing to write home about. So with the Switch , I just give up. Happy gaming to everyone whatever your system of choice is, and for me............Goodbye Switch.
Question: to be nice should I keep my Mii on the system with the 5 games I downloaded for an added surprise to the lady who bought my system? I have already put a password on my Mii to login to the Eshop. But I would hate to see games like Tomiko, MineCraft, Oceanhorne, Implosion and WonderBoy float out into space and become nothing. What do you think? Can it be done?
I have been very satisfied with my Switch so far and I'm happy I bought one early its lifecycle. It works well, the games look great and the library is expanding weekly! It will be an enjoyable half decade with this system. My chief complaint is the internet card. I sit 5-6 feet away from my router and I can't get more than one bar on most days. It drops consistently during online matches, too. It's a fun console and it has so much more potential. 3rd party support is starting to increase and they haven't introduced the VC yet, either. I'm a happy customer.
I enjoy my Switch for the most part, had it for a little over a month now & my favourite game is easily Mario + Rabbids (also have Zelda & Sonic Mania). I work a few overnight shifts, with a fair bit of downtime so its gets a little use as a handheld. But man that battery sucks ass, although I did manage to finish Zelda at work the other night with only a sliver of battery left! So not too bad so far I'd say, still needs a game like Pilotwings or Waverace though.
I like the Switch and really like the joycons but despite that I couldn't justify buying one in the first 6 months. I bought a Wii and a Wii U at launch but couldn't find a reason to buy the Switch as there simply are no games that really make it worth buying. Everything good I already have on either the Wii U or another system and the lack of a VC or any media functions means that I wouldn't be retiring the Wii U or 3DS any time soon. It's quite possibly the worst Nintendo system that I've seen in terms of features, yet lacking features hasn't troubled the PS4/XBO and doesn't seem to be troubling the Switch either. Who would have known that omitting features was the way to go.
I will finally be picking up a Switch at the end of the month (if I can find one) for Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2. Further into the future there's Metroid and Fire Emblem; so I'm guaranteed there will be must have games, but it doesn't look like it'll overtake the Wii U (with the Wii and huge VC library included) as my favorite Nintendo system for a long time yet.
Zelda, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Mario Kart 9 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, Arms, and Sonic Mania have kept me busy. Recently I also bought Street Fighter 2 Ultra: The Final Challengers, and it was a fun game to play on the plane-ride to Japan.
Those, and tons and tons of great Indie titles. The console is really supported on the Nindie front. But really I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and whatever games lie beyond.
I love beyond question and Nintendo's games are awesome as always, BUT it's still lacking serious third party support and because of that the game lineup beyond Nintendo's own games and indies is quite lacking.
That's my only complaint so far. But I'm confident that third party support will only grow next year and beyond.
@Morph I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis! The Switch truly is a hybrid, and is used as one. This is a nice statistic against the "it's just a portable with a TV out" concern (which implies that Switch users use it primarily as a handheld and just occasionally attach it to the dock.)
The design really is amazing. Very easy to understand concept, and intuitive to use.
I hope this console gets a Monster Hunter title soon!
Amazing hardware with a terrible software lineup. It's been gathering dust since I bought it at launch.
I occasionally pull it out for some MK8, and when I am waiting at the Doctor's office I might play a few mins of an indie title, but that's about it. I love the hardware, but I am truly disappointed in the software.
I don't have a Switch yet, maybe I'll buy one next year. But only to keep up with the good Nintendo games (Mario+Rabbids, Mario odyssey, Metroid, etc).
But to say I feel the slightest piece of excitement: NO!!
In my opinion the Switch is wrong in all aspects. No proper third-party support (only a overkill of downloads), underpowered, overpriced, save-files stored on the device instead of the cards, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Its Nintendo at its worsed, money-grabbing gone extreme. What else would you expect from a old banker (Kimishima is a banker)? He not even shows himself to the public, not like mister Iwata anyway (not that his reign was perfect, but Kimishima seems faaaar worse).
I really don't see why people flock enmasse to the shops for this. Is it because the short supplies? Is it because the awful millenials-commercials? I feel that if they used those terrible commercials for the Wii u, the Wii u would have sold just as much. Maybe even more. But yeah, that's in hindsight.
@Nolan420 I'm European and personally not too interested in those. The games I'm hyped for are Super Mario Odyssey, Yoshi, Pokemon and Animal Crossing IF NINTENDO EVER ANNOUNCE IT!!!
I don't think I've ever bought so many games in such a short time. I was looking over my preorders the other day and realized I have 8 more still coming this year, and two of those are huge RPGs. Mario + Rabbids and Splatoon 2 are keeping me busy until Axiom Verge and Mario Odyssey hit next month.
I have to agree 100% with @SLIGEACH_EIRE on his comments on the Switch. I'm a long time Nintendo fan and have owned every Nintendo home console since the NES, but, right now I've just not seen enough to tempt me to buy a Switch, I also think the price of Switch games and controller's etc. are totally ridiculous and a real rip off.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE is correct IMO that if you own a Wii U then you've more or less played/owned everything released on the Switch so far....
I truly hope Mario Odyssey does really well and I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out, but, apart from that "1" single game I can't think of any other reason you need a Switch if you already own a Wii U.
There's so many games Nintendo could release, how about a brand new "Mario Golf" or "Luigi's Mansion 3" or a brand new "Diddy Kong Racing" etc. built from the ground up for the Switch or Bayonetta 3 etc. these sort of titles would make me think again, but, as yet no sign of any of them coming out anytime soon if at all.
@maruse This month there are LEGO Worlds, Rayman: Definitive Edition, NBA2K18, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, The Lego Ninjago Movie Video Game, FIFA 18, One Piece: Unlimited World Red releasing, in addition to the nindies. I think that's pretty good 3rd party support for a Nintendo console. Of course it can be better, specially regarding Japanese 3rd party and some genres of the western AAA output.
Many disagreements on here relating to " yes it is no it isn't a home console ". Well if this switch is a home console then it's a very poor effort from nintendo, i haven't seen anything on it that the wii u can't do, this is a 2nd attempt at this generation with mediocre specs for a home console. Now if it's a handheld with TV out, then this has potential to be a great mobile device, though it has a long way to go to sort it's problems out. This is the first time i haven't bought Nintendo hardware at launch and certainly won't be buying this in the foreseeable future, probably never, i have played on a friends machine before he sold it, it didn't do anything for me, shame really cause i have supported Nintendo since NES days but alas i have decided to move on from them, their games don't interest me anymore apart from a handful that i can live without, my gaming tastes have changed for the better, no more cute and colourful games for me. I will come back if Nintendo decide to make mature games aswell as their normal stuff
@CliffordB You're factually incorrect. If you're a Wii U user, you have currently not played 71 games (if I did my counting correctly) that are currently available on the Switch. Most people don't want to play every of those titles obviously, but also keep in mind that the shovelware ratio on the Switch is MUCH lower than on the Wii U.
@Iggy-Koopa"I politely suggest that those who want all-out power bite the bullet and go elsewhere, whereas I would recommend the detractors who seem to thrive on going over-the-top with their complaints take a running jump."
Yep it's not exactly rocket science...If machine A doesn't offer what you want but machine B does, shut up and get machine B. Either that or zip it until machine C comes along.
^^^ Do you see the irony of your trolling comment? I've commented on the story and made valid points about the Switch, you're just being a troll, flaming and have made no worthwhile contribution(like many others here). Find that bridge and get back under it.
I have no regrets about buying it from day 1 I have bought 3 physical games and the rest on eshop there are a lot of games I'm looking forward to as well
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The battery life is not an issue at all. I have never once drained the battery on mine and I play it handheld 50% of the time. If you're playing games for 4-6 hours in one sitting, that's the issue not the battery.
I agree that a lot of the big games are ports but you have to understand that nearly nobody (except you and I and a few others on here) bought a WiiU, so the ports are brand new games to the average person. I think it's the best hardware they've ever created (owned every single one bar Virtual Boy)
To call it underpowered is nonsense. It's the most accomplished handheld ever made AND it docks to your TV in 5 seconds. A little perspective please.
@The_Mysteron As a handheld the Switch is a giant leap from the 3DS, but as a console it's not much better than the Wii U and in many respects it's worse.
Makes me laugh to see how people remember Iwata-era Nintendo A company heading for the buffers defined by unfocused messy underpowered gimmicky hardware, arrogance about potential sales, hopeless launches, software droughts, cluelessness about Online gaming (not necessarily fixed but started by Iwata), anti-consumer Online account systems, region-locked portables, proprietary cables for everything, penny-pinching over putting plugs in Console boxes and disappearing Western development. Fair play, he set the Switch train in motion to try and fix the damage but overall Nintendo were a mess for several years.
It's both the most powerful handheld around and the most powerful Nintendo home Console ever. That much is clear from the ports we've seen so far.
However if the games don't interest you then you're absolutely right to go elsewhere. Far better to be playing the games you want than buying hardware that doesn't have them games then complaining about it after.
@BlueOcean The Genesis and WiiU, and Atari 7800 (though with the 2600's joystick), are the only systems that support their previous generation's controllers. You can even use the Genesis controller on the 2600 if you want. Nintendo likely didn't cheap out by not allowing a WiiU Pro Controller to be compatible because it can't replicate all the Switch Pro Controller functions. Capture Button, HD Rumble, NFC reader, and Motion Controls are all things the WiiU Pro Controller lacks. And from a business standpoint, why allow only the WiiU Pro Controller to work with the Switch? It's best to just cut off all previous official accessories and work with a clean slate of new tech, rather than confuse the casual consumers even further. Though, it would have been a nice gesture if they allowed it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The Switch's Tegra processor provides a much better pipeline, as well as support for Unreal Engine 4 which is huge, than the bottlenecked WiiU. It has that much going for it, at least, and it's not bad at all.
"I feel that if they used those terrible commercials for the Wii u, the Wii u would have sold just as much. Maybe even more. But yeah, that's in hindsight."
@Dizzard True, I see a lot of people who rarely post airing their concerns on occasion which is all well and good, but some folks around here are stuck on a permanent loop which results in everyone shouting down the loopers and derailing the subject at hand.
But then again if they just disappeared, I'd eat a lot less popcorn.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE What are you talking about ?! Switch with PORTABILITY is a HUUUUUGE Leap from Wii U, NOT from 3DS !! Seriously, Where the heck is your Logic ?!
@EDF Nintendo is Nintendo, dude. Their brand image is capturing more Kid Friendly games. Unlike Sony & Microsoft. You were expecting for Nonsense. Even Cutesy games like Mario series or Animal Crossing can be a Best Seller. Why don't you Love something Cute and Adorable like Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbid, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, etc or Something Cool like Zelda games, Metroid, Fire Emblem, etc if you prefer a bit mature games ?
@MasterLEON It wouldn't confuse anybody. I am aware of that the Switch pro controller has more features (and it's also significantly more expensive), I'm just saying that it's greedy (thus I agree with your "business point of view") and who knows, it would have encouraged some people to get a Switch if they knew that at least the Switch pro controller is not the only option to play in a traditional way (at least those that don't like the joycons). Let's not forget that the Switch pro controller is not bundled so it's not needed and not mandatory at all, it's just an extra option and so should be its predecessor.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Technically, the docked Switch is around 3-4 times more powerful than the Wii U, depending on what you count. Practically speaking, that the Switch would output 2.1 megapixels 1080p where the Wii U would output 0.9 megapixels 720p, and then some improved shaders and textured detail since the RAM is larger and faster.
The Switch also runs on a more current and more stable (PC-based) CPU architecture, making it much easier and efficient for 3rd party developers to work with. The GPU support current-generation drivers. It supports both Unity and UE4 since day 1.
The main technical drawbacks of the Switch compared to the Wii U are that it doesn't support USB storage and isn't backwards compatible.
What are the many aspects you're referring to as "worse" than the Wii U with the Switch docked hardware design?
@Anti-Matter
It's nothing personal with Nintendo, just that my gaming tastes have changed, i have a wii u with mario kart and other cute games they made for it. Actually owning a wii u was when i realised i have out grown Nintendo, most of their games on it i disliked like mario3dworld, Yoshi, DKCTF, i only likedMK and xeno, i got more enjoyment from the mature 3rd party games on wii u, that's when it dawned on me that Nintendo wasn't for me anymore
The shovelware ratio is not lower on Switch than on Wii U. Check Metacritic's All Switch Releases list, most of the games are more expensive ports of small games available on mobile/PC/PS/Xbox. Wii U had some exclusive and interesting indie games and its share of shovelware. 3DS is full of shovelware but also lots of exclusive interesting games. That Switch list is a bit depressing, actually, but the console has been in the market for six months only. Also, the top-rated Switch games are Wii U ports (or expanded ports, the definition of port is not same thing or worse, they usually are better).
It's not true that nobody bought Wii U. It was a failure but was bought by 13 million people while Switch has been bought by 4 million people to date.
@electrolite77
Exactly, i have no reason to complain if i don't buy one, i ain't planning to but can't say never, all depends on the games from 3rd party, i already know what to expect from Ninty, though i have to say Devils Third was a bolt from the blue, multiplayer was a blast, more games like this from nintendo would be great, it wouldn't do switch sales any harm, can't see why they can't release games like this aswell as their usual franchises, i think it would get ppl sitting on the fence take more notice of what Nintendo are up to. OK going back to the console or handheld debate, for me it will always be a handheld with TV out, but that's just me, others will have their opinions which is absolutely fine with me if they disagree, it ain't world ending 😁 lol. Anyways I agree it's most powerful handheld so far, though it has its faults, as a Nintendo home console, yes it's their most powerful yet but not much of a leap forward, more last gen than this gen. Dont get me wrong, for me that wouldn't apply cause i think it's a handheld only with TV out as a great feature, a bonus if you like. Good luck to Nintendo and the switch though
@BlueOcean You're factually wrong, again. To date Switch is well above 5 million - perhaps even 6, not 4 as you claim (it had sold 4.7M on the last day on financial Q1 last day of June, adding just the known Japanese figures since then puts the Switch way above 4 M).
And Shovelware ratio is MUCH higher on the Wii U. Shovelware is almost never reviewed enough to get the 4 required reviews to appear on MC. As an example, RCMADIAX only has 3 games with enough reviews of its total 36 Wii U games that appear in the MC listings. And as a comparison, almost all Switch games have more than 4 reviews on MC.
Here's a question for everyone. You know Nintendo could have easily released a 3DS model that connected to a TV. Would the 3DS have then been classed as a hybrid "console"? No, it'd still be a handheld, just with added TV out.
The first exclusive Switch that stands out in my opinion is not 1, 2 Switch (a rubbish version of Wario Ware), it's not Splatoon (a cartoonish shooter which is a all the rage in Japan but I find it a bit too chaotic), it's not Arms (an interesting mix of Wii Sports and Punch-out that should have been a launch title, probably bundled with the console like Wii Sports). For me the first exclusive that stands out is not made by Nintendo but Ubisoft and it's called Mario + Rabbids.
@jariw Oh I'm wrong again because you say so and you are right always. Sure. What will I do now?
Switch 4.7 millions and Wii U 13.56, I didn't use decimals (you don't realise I didn't use them for Wii U either), that surely invalidates my whole comment. You should be the only person posting here. Wait a minute, since I'm using official numbers and you AREN'T you are just making up numbers. Thus, I'm right and you are wrong. Sorry.
Don't expect another answer from me but that won't mean that you are right and I'm wrong, It's just that I don't really care.
@BlueOcean 3DS has very Interesting library games, though not really Wow as NDS. Do you think games like Cooking Mama series, Miitopua, Imagine series, Story of Seasons, etc are shovelware ? Because I have some of games like that and they are quite interesting for me.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE WRONG !!! Switch is HYBRID ! H Y B R I D And What the Heck Wrong with Handheld ?! They are NOT a SIN of Video Games ! Handheld or Console, Who the Heck cares ?! Just Shut Up and Buy It ! You will know how Awesome is Switch !
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Invalid argument, you wouldn't be able to remove the controller parts and plop on the couch and continue playing the game. Besides the 3DS has two screens, so where does the touchscreen go? Do you really not understand the word "hybrid"???? I mean if you add an electricity component to a car with gas, it becomes a hybrid right? What I really don't understand is why you are so againts it.
@iMarkU It's a completely valid argument. The 3DS would plug into the TV via a cable. You'd still use the 3DS as the controller. It could play the top screen on the TV or swap depending on the situation. Anyway, it's just a hypothetical question.
You know more or less what I like because I told you yesterday.
I've never said that Switch is a failure, I said that Wii U is a failure but I provided the last known Switch sales figure to prove than right now Switch has a veeeeeery long way before surpassing Wii U, not to mention 3DS.
Some people (not you) just live in a bubble and that's fine but let other people live in the real world.
The only reason why I don't answer them the second time is because I know that it is a waste of time and not because I think that they are right and that I am wrong. I don't waste my time. Simple as that.
@thedevilsjester really- what type of games do you want? I've bought 30 since launch and only regret buying two or three. There are others I want but the price puts me off- overcooked for example. Are you focusing only on carts- have you seen the games on the estore? Tumbleseed, graceful explosion machine and blaster master zero are absolutely incredible. Then you have shantae, shovel knight, thumper, sonic, wonderboy, retro city rampage etc. On top of that you have classic Neo geo games at 6 quid a pop. As I've said some of the eshop prices are questionable but there is no shortage of quality games to play. In the last two weeks Mario rabbids and Lego worlds have also been released. 🤔🤔
@EDF Hahahaha Exactly. I like a good conversation but not when I know that it is going nowhere. I have to say that there are many interesting people here, though, people with an open mind that can see beyond their own bubble. People with a Switch, people without a Switch, that doesn't matter to me as everyone can see.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You're litterally describing a Wii U with a cable. But since you can also take it away, it makes it a hybrid system? So as answer to your hypothetical question, yes it would make the 3ds a hybrid system.
@Anti-Matter Shovelware are technically quick ports of easy-to-port games, normally in big amounts. They are not bad per se but can be disappointing. You are including original 3DS games like Story of Seasons as shovelware.
@jariw Still a bit lacking for my tastes (since the are few titles I'm interested in, specially in that list) but like I said, I'm pretty sure the third party support will only grow from now on.
@BlueOcean For a guy, or gal, who knows, who says in this very thread repeatedly that you're dropping the conversation and not replying anymore, you sure are noisy.
@BlueOcean That's not the issue man. You can be critical (Just don't, ya know, be dismissive of what other people like, which is what some here do!) and that's all well and good.
But when you say you're going to walk from a conversation, actually do so. I find it's better to make promises, not threats
@BLP_Software "who says in this very thread repeatedly that you're dropping the conversation and not replying anymore, you sure are noisy".
That's not true at all. I didn't say that. I said that I don't waste my time with people living in a bubble because I know it's a waste of time and they won't admit anything and change their minds. You are confused. I didn't make any promises of not posting again, if that's what you want me to do.
@BlueOcean thanks man. We're all entitled to our own opinion even if most won't agree. It's similar to work and unions. If everyone agrees on everything then nothing will ever change. Always demand more
@BlueOcean The things I see you posting are ultimately very similar, just with different folks, ya know? Its a cycle. From the outside looking in, I see a loop.
@BLP_Software No, you are wrong about me. I only reply once to each of them and I haven't entered any loop. If I reply once it's not a loop, it's giving a chance to each person of having a normal conversation, because I'm that nice.
Of course, I reply to any well-intentioned question or comment.
The whole point of my explanation is that the fact that I don't reply the same thing again while they do doesn't mean that they're right and I'm wrong. It only means that they are more tiresome.
@MariOnline Exactly. If everyone agrees with the status quo and nobody has nothing interesting to say then it's a sect, which is what you don't want at work, union, society, etc. if you are intelligent.
Who would of thought one innocent article would cause the amount of arguments here? Personally I'm loving the Switch,I really only bought it for Mario And Rabbids which I am loving as well as enjoying my other games on it.Anything that comes after is a bonus.I mostly use it docked but love the fact I can just pick it up and continue playing if I need to which a few times I have. Multiplayer wise is easy and mostly used than my PS4. Great little system
As I write it's 31% for both 'mostly handheld' and 'mostly docked' play, and 27% for a mixture.
That in itself shows that people are enjoying Switch's versatility.
I did NOT expect to use it so much as a handheld but that quick boot up made it the perfect train commute system, and tabletop mode at work was great, and attracted a lot of impressed attention from other staff. I then enjoyed the benefit of when I had proper free time to relax and play on the big screen with a power boost and a comfy chair.
As this is my first Nintendo console, I must say it has been the best purchase i have done with anything i have bought in years!! I am happy to be part of the Nintendo family now lol
The flexibility to play when and wherever you want is truly amazing.
Having Zelda, Mario Kart and Sonic already gave me so many hours of fun that made the system totally worth it for me
I still love my Switch so much! I really like that they release a new game every month, because by the time I finish a game another one is already out, so I always have something else to play. I’ve really enjoyed Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle. And I really look forward to Mario Odyssey and Metroid Prime 4!!!!
I love the system and play it daily. I haven't enjoyed a single new gaming device this much in years. I don't think I have gone more than 36 hours since launch day without at least playing the Switch for a little while. I adore the ability to play games both on the TV and as a handheld. Though in general I play on the TV more, I still play as a mobile system all the time too.
That said, I still have a few disappointments. The fact that we still don't have a virtual console, the terrible voice chat, and the lack of customization... with no themes or music for the home menu, and no video streaming apps.
But these are all things that seem almost certain to come to the Switch eventually. So I am not too worried.
@darthstuey nope, just a 30 year old nintendo fan who recently paid off his and his wife's college loans, house, and doesn't mind racking up some credit card debt in celebration. I found last year that nothing on xbox one was bringing me great amounts of joy, so I decided to invest very heavily into Nintendo. I do own a Wii U, but somehow didn't double dip on any game, though some consider Ultra Street Fighter II double dipping, I consider that essential to life, lol. I'm a gamer who in general values retro over new and has always avoided Sony except for what I played at friends houses (I do have a PS2, but it was bought specifically ro play Soul Calibur III. My wife and I are huge fans of that franchise.) My mancave has every Nintendo system, every Microsoft console-the xbox has emulators for NES, SNES, and Genesis-I had sold all 3 and their collections in college, a Dreamcast, an Atari Flashback 7, a Namco arcade controller with built in games, an NES classic with 80 of my fav games, and soon a SNES classic-I hope.
@BlueOcean You said "while Switch has been bought by 4 million people to date", but the date you referred to was the last day of June, and you didn't refer to that date at all in your text. How is your claim not factually wrong?
Of course it's more convenient to not reply to me than to provide claims that are correct. It's called trolling.
I have used the dock for play only maybe 3times. I have used it more as a portable than anything. Does what u wanted from it. I'm happy for the most part.
@JaxonH Nice, thanks I'll head over there! I was a little hesitant to get into it, because my Japanese is.... Well, frankly non-existent. I'm about 5 hours into the village quests, and I have discovered that most monsters are weak to swords.
I don't have a Switch yet, but I hope to get one very soon. My main game this year for it will be Xenoblade 2. I've been playing BotW on the Wii U, but I think I have higher hopes for Xenoblade. I didn't think it would be that way...
The Switch is a great HANDHELD(nothing wrong with that) with MK8D,Arms and Splatoon 2 being played Friends(online of course, finding friends irl who are Nintendo fans, let alone a Switch is impossible especially in the UK). Never touched my 3DS,wii U and PS3 since.DBXV2 or Pokken will be next game on my list and Yeah. My criticism is the kickstand is a bit of a problem,It can be fragile without a case,VC on phone,Paid Online etc but other than Great with Odyssey on the corner it will be great.
Also people hoping that Nintendo will go back to home consoles are in denial. Nintendo home consoles has died with Wii U with 13.5 mill. Nintendo handhelds have always outsold their console counterparts and makes them most money and Consoles itself are becoming obsolete especially to PC. People who are believing that Nintendo is returning to the console market are just kidding themselves.
Once again the people disliking the Switch for one reason or other are quite vocal, possibly with the goal of spoiling other people's fun. Sad practice, sad people I think (here's a thought: maybe they'd be happier if the owned a Switch? Could it posibly be envy? Though maybe not for the Switch per se but for the happniness...).
Looking over the comment section I decided that it's not worth getting worked up over most of the negativity here. According to the polls above they're a very small minority of not more than 7%, opposed to more than 86% who think it's actiually a great piece of gear. Nuff said. No reason to take them seriously (in regards to being "right" or "wrong" that is). It's their opinion, that's all nice and dandy, but they're apparently irritated that so few people share it, making them feel like (the) outsiders (they are). Is that maybe why they shout it out so loud and force it upon all the others who see it differently? Is it just fear of irrelevance perhaps?
If so, let's all just give them a pat on the back: "Don't worry, you may not like the Switch, but I think that (to someone) you're an important human being, too. We love you anyways!" <3
@NabbitFan730 they the same people who allowed themselves to be fooled by them YouTube posters predicting the switch would be some PS4 beating high end console.
@MsgBoardGamer one of the models of Sony's PSP had an official TV connector built in. No one ever classified it as a hybrid console. It was just as much of a console as the Switch. Not sure what my point is, other than having a handheld that connects to your TV is nothing new.
Lol what planet are you living on. Behind the Virtual boy the Wii U is the worst piece of hardware Nintendo have ever produced.
The gamepad was a like a Fisher price toy full of plastic. horrible resolution, horrible UI, terribly underpowered and a total mess. Nintendo should have never signed it off.
There is a reason it bombed so bad. It was a complete mess.
BotW is great, but I'm still waiting for games that aren't ports and re-releases. As someone who owns every console and a gaming PC, the Switch isn't my go-to option for getting a game that's widely available.
@NinNin No, I bought it because the more people that buy a console, the more developers will consider it as a target platform, and the Switch is a great peice of hardware that I want to see succeed.
Also I don't think Breath of the Wild is a good game at all. I cannot understand the hype around it.
@kobashi100 I said it was better in some ways. Does the Switch have a camera, does it have a built-in microphone, are the Wii U discs expensive to manufacture? Does the Switch have Miiverse, Virtual Console or backwards compatibility? Do you want more?
@MsgBoardGamer not true. The PSP had PS2 size and quality of games, and included a digital store for PS1 (that's a home console) games. The Vita had/has PS3 level (as in size and scale) and quality of games. They have "console quality games" just as much as the Switch does. In fact they have had had many of the same titles as the Switch.
For example the console game series Disgaea, which is one of the Switches biggest games as far as content and play time go, had PSP and PSVita ports. Not mini versions of the games mind you, but full definitive editions with all the DLC of their console brethren.
@MsgBoardGamer So wrong, the psp had plenty games that captures the home console experience, at the time it had many ps2 ports when ps2 was still a thing, games like Warriors, manhunt 2 etc. Vita also got ps3 ports before ps4 existed, plus games that gave the home console experience, like uncharted, killzone, need for Speed, boarderlands2, Gravity Rush plus many others, all big budget games, though most of them are last gen games now but weren't at the time
@BlueOcean Honestly it's better to ignore BLP software, he tends to start arguments that he can't finish, and takes extreme personal offense to statements that mean no offense whatsoever.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wii U mic is crap, what's the point of cheap discs if no one is making games for the thing and mii verse is closing. You only have Camera, Virtual Console(but then again who's buying Wii us for virtual console) and backwards compatibility as points.
@BlueOcean I made the unfortunate decision to block him today after seeing his comments to you, and his activities over at Push Square, where he's been very confrontational. I tried having a reasonable debate with him last week, and he jumped to so many conclusions that were so off-base I thought he had responded to someone else's comment at first. Oh well, can only give someone so many chances before it's time to move on.
Why? Because you are manipulating what I say and you are stubborn and won't change your mind like some other people obsessed with punishing anything that doesn't match their limited point of view. It's not my job to deal with that.
@MsgBoardGamer the percentage of "console quality games" on the Switch is very small, most of the games are ports, small indie titles, or virtual titles for Neo Geo. You choose to ignore the fact that the PSP and Vita had a huge number of full console quality titles to try and make your argument. You are the one cherry picking.
The Switch is a great machine, I love the hardware so much better than I did my PSP and Vita (and that's saying a lot because I am a Sony fan through and through), but it's still just a mobile gaming device with an occasional console quality title.
@RedMageLanakyn They are not worth our time and nobody pays you to stand them. Being rude and manipulating what others say won't get them anywhere. They don't seem to be enjoying games or anything for that matter. They accuse others of trolling and of their own wrongdoings. They only know their own bubble.
@MsgBoardGamer BS, can't you read, i said they got home console ports not that they were a home console, downgraded or not they are home ports. Yes Nintendo are making so called home console games for a machine that is basically last gen, even wii u could pull them off though slightly downgraded, if the latest big budget PS4ONE games came to switch you would be singing and dancing with joy, though they would be significantly downgraded but that's alright. Your full of BS, just like you have been with many other ppl recently, very rude and arguments, you have been like this for days, your opinion is nothing to me until you pull your head out of your backside and smell some real air, must be smelly down there
@thedevilsjester I agree on the moblie device part but only moblie games.....Zelda BOTW, MK8D,Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario+ Rabbids, Pokken, Disegea 5+, Steep, La Noir, Fast RMX, Gear Club Unlimited, Sonic Mania,Sonic Forces,Steep, Lego City Undercover,Lego worlds, One Piece, DBXV2 etc all console quality games...
@EDF So Wii U would run Mario Rabbids, DBXV2, Steep, FIFA, Skyrim Special Edition etc You people really put Wii U on a high standard lol. Pretty Tegra X1 isn't last gen or any last gen console and Wii U had a candle with the Switch.
@Nolan420 Dude, A box connected to tv is literally the definition of a console.
A home console you can take on the go is what handheld literally. Means lol.
@thedevilsjester Exactly, that's why I linked the Metacritic list, not because the nonsense he accused me of but to prove that most games are shovelware and that the best-rated games are Wii U ports. I also said that it's only six months old and that all can change and I hope it changes for all the people that bought a Switch and because I might get one in the future, but to say it has lots of exclusive games that are the best is a lie and to bash other consoles to try to make Switch a better console with a better game library is ridiculous.
@BlueOcean So Arms,Splatoon 2, Mario and Rabbids, Skyrim, FIFA, DBXV2, Sonic Mania and Forces, Disgaea 5+, Rocket league, La Noir, Odyessy, Xenoblade, FE Warriors etc all Wii U ports and/or shovel ware according to you
@MsgBoardGamer yes it's only 6 months old and we are discussing what it is at it's 6 months mark, not what you think it might be in a year or two. What it is now.
So console quality to you means that it's equal to the major AAAs on this generations console? By that metric Switch has no real console quality games. MK8 is just a port of last generations WiiU with a few extras,. Breath of the Wild on Switch is no different than it's last generation WiiU counterpart. How many Switch games are there that are not on Nintendo last generation console?
To be fair this is your metric on what a Console quality title is not my metric. I consider games that were on last generations console, like Mario kart and Breath of the Wild to be console quality.
@thedevilsjester console quality means games produced on Consoles....Doesn't matter what gen. I think you mean 8th console quality(but then again Wii U is 8th gen console)
@NabbitFan730 No! Read again. I said most games are shovelware, not all, check my comments again and read the list. I also said that the top-rated games are Wii U ports. None of the games you listed are shovelware and I didn't say such thing.
I posted above that Switch is an hybrid console because that's what Nintendo says and because out of the box you get a handheld and a home-dock but, because I can open my mind when other people give good reasoning, I think it's a fair point that some people call it handheld.
Even if people use it more as a home console or as a handheld, the reality is that everything is in the portable device with the dock being hollow cheap plastic. The HDMI that connects it to the TV is not something new but other tablets and handhelds have that. That makes it a handheld console even though it has the HDMI included because the dock is worthless. I have changed my mind about it.
When people say that Switch is last-gen it's because it has as much power as Wii U, to be more specific an itsy bitsy more and with a different architecture (Wii U PowerPC and Switch TegraX1). Wii U even though is current-gen is slightly more powerful than 360 which is a 2005 console. So Wii U in terms of power is last-gen and so is Switch, but obviously Switch can be used as a handheld and Wii U not.
However, many people expected Switch to have Tegra X2 (being delayed a bit) and the fact that it uses the older last-gen version of this technology is something to be noted as well.
@NabbitFan730
Yep it could run all those with the exception of steep, even switch is struggling with that one, Skyrim is just a old port, fifa don't even use the new engine, there might be some downgrade but it can still run them, tegra X1 ain't exactly new tech. It was revealed to the world early 2015
@Nolan420 It's very difficult to say what generation Switch belongs to, that's why I used the words "in terms of power". In terms of power Wii U is last-gen but it is really current-gen. It has basically the same architecture and power than 360 but with slightly better speeds. Switch goes a bit further using mobile technology that it's also a bit dated.
It should be noted that Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U, so it's obvious that some people are going to judge it as a home console and some people as a handheld because Switch is trying to fill in both gaps. All of those people are right. I judge it more as a home console because I'm more a home player.
If you consider it a handheld it may be disappointing if you wanted it to be a home console with more power.
If you consider it a handheld it may be disappointing if you expected the newer technology (Tegra X2).
If you are fine with lower specs and power it may serve you well as a home console or as a handheld.
@MsgBoardGamer OK, calm down 😁 lol, yes your right, they are latest Nintendo grand games but made for a handheld with TV out not a home console, it will always be a handheld to me and many others but a home console to you and many others, this problem will always exist. It's not a problem though, it's just the way it is. Anyways Sony built console like quality games for the Vita from the ground up, exclusive to that machine, no different than Ninty doing the same with switch handheld, having said that, it don't matter if it's a zelda game or Nintendo land game, if you like them then cool if you don't then cool, it's always games that rule
Hardware is fantastic. All I want now is the software side to catch up - and I don't mean games! I mean the operating system, achievements system, online architecture and communication stuff - all of this needs to be improved and be on par with what Sony and MS are doing.
@thedevilsjester Thanks for the information. That's a weird reason. In that case, you can sell it now because your purchase already contributed to the sales. You can buy it again later when games you want to play are available.
@Nolan420 Yes, Switch is more powerful than Wii U but uses a different technology thus the exact extra power is difficult to measure. Is it enough to get Xbox One/PS4 ports with similar performance and lower resolution? How different are games on Switch compared to those on Wii U? There are few if any current-gen multiplatform 3D games on Switch, most of them are cross-gen. I love Sonic Mania but it's not the best example. Snake Pass is not a good example either. FIFA uses a different engine. Perhaps Yooka-Laylee which is a 3D current-gen game is a good example to see how current-gen games run on Switch.
@Alikan that is awesome- lets compare 30 year obsessions I have every Nintendo console apart from the virtual boy which I sold; a dream cast and mega drive; a neo geo cd; Atari jaguar and lynx; two gameboy advances for playing four swords and pacman vs on the cube which also has the gameboy player on it; a gameboy original and micro; an original ds and 3ds; a psp and a vita and a ps2; the kids have an 360 each and the eldest has a ps 4. I also have 3 game and watch systems. Nice to meet another obsessive 👊 Wish my house was paid off mind.
@BlueOcean "Is it enough to get Xbox One/PS4 ports with similar performance and lower resolution?"
And with portability. I think it's enough for many people. What you do mean by cross-gen? FIFA 18 is a good example.
The Switch is roughly 2 times as powerful as the Wii U. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe runs at 1080p60, whereas Mario Kart 8 runs in 720p at 59 fps.
@Nolan420 I don't know about Dragon Ball because the Xbox One and PS4 versions have not been released and I haven't seen the Switch version yet that has just been released in Japan. I agree that it would be interesting to compare because it's a new 3D game. Steep would be interesting to compare too.
Skyrim is a tricky one.
Sonic Forces and Yooka-Laylee are two interesting games to compare because they are also new and 3D. I have heard that the Switch version of Sonic is 30fps while the Xbox/PS is 60fps, but still.
@MsgBoardGamer the main point of this article is about what the switch is now. 6 months in. Not what you think it might be in the future. I cannot play announced titles, or titles that you think might eventually be made. I can only play what is our right now, and that selection is garbage.
6 months in my Switch is gathering dust, and doesn't really have a "console" feel to it. Just a portable with a spattering of AAAs.
Also I am not sure what you are arguing. All of my posts have talked about the fact that I bought it because I think it has a great future ahead.
@Nolan420 " A handheld game console is a small, portable self-contained video game console with a built-in screen, game controls, and speakers.Handheld game consoles are smaller than home video game consoles and contain the console, screen, speakers, and controls in one unit, allowing people to carry them and play them at any time or place."
@Nolan420 The guy in the video sounds genuine, not a fanboy, but the comparison is very superficial with a few cutscenes. Thanks anyway because I hadn't seen anything about this game but Digital Foundry will check better when the game is available. The guy says that the Switch version is 900p 30fps and Xbox/PS 1080p 60fps and that the Switch version lacks antialiasing. The game looks nice.
@FX102A I don't agree. I love the switch as well as the Wii u. I use the switch mainly docked as I drive to work, it has its problems but if you love Nintendo first party games, it's a must have
@NinNin@FX102A I own a Wii U and have literally only played my Switch docked, and I agree that it is still a worthwhile purchase; with the exception of indie games that were delayed in being finished, it's where the new games will be found. Sure, if all you are interested in is Nintendo's heavy hitters, Breath of the Wild is on Wii U, you already own Mario Kart 8 with both DLC packs, and Splatoon is good enough, so there's no reason to upgrade quite yet. But if you want more than that, games like Mario+Rabbids, Disgaea 5, I Am Setsuna, Snake Pass, Fate/Extella, Kamiko, Snipperclips, ARMS, and TumbleSeed can't and will never be found on Wii U, and are excellent reasons to get a Switch now, instead of waiting for Odyssey, or Prime 4, or whatever title you need to make Switch's library large enough.
@Nolan420 Haven't actually gotten around to playing it yet, in part because Zelda and Disgaea are so huge. Even Setsuna, which doesn't try to be an expansive JRPG, took me more than 50 hours.
@Nolan420 Don't worry about it. Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U and that's why some people see it as a home console and other people as a handheld, because it's trying to be both and that's why Nintendo call it "hybrid". It's not your fault.
@Nolan420 What the guy means is that the Switch version of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 doesn't have antialiasing. It's true that Mario + Rabbids does have it (at a lower resolution). It depends on the engine and how do you want to use the power available on Switch.
@EDF Mario and Rabbids is 600 30fps portable on Switch, the Wii U will not be running this unless 480p 15fps with Drops and that's with super optimization. DBXV1 was taxing on The PS3/Xbox 360, What makes you think the Wii U would run the sequel made Next Gen systems with CPU weaker than 360 CPU. You guys need to stop glorifying Wii U, you guys act it's on par with Switch which is laughable.
Skyrim is running special edition like the Next gen, What's does FIFA using custom enigne have to do with Wii u running it? Steep I will give you but then again if it's struggling on Switch, it would crash on Wii U.
Tegra X1 is not the newest but it's the newest out of the competition.
"Anyways Sony built console like quality games for the Vita from the ground up, exclusive to that machine"
Not very often! Still irritates me the way they abandoned the Vita. Sold mine after getting the Switch but for its time it was gorgeous hardware (albeit a few buttons short).
@NabbitFan730 Fifa on Switch uses a less demanding engine and actually the Switch version has fewer graphic features. I think you are exaggerating a bit when talking about Wii U's lack of power and also about Switch's advantage. @NinNin too.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you troll everything about the switch, it's laughable hence why I said I only come on here to howl at the next stupid or moronic comment you make ........in your defence I do remember being 13
@MsgBoardGamer
Yes i understand what you say, let's forget Nintendo first party games for a moment. Take latest 3rd party games that released on PS4ONE, not last gen ports, they would have to be compromised in some way to fit on switch, meaning by your calculations the switch wouldn't be offering console quality docked or on the go. Now we all know Ninty developed games aren't exactly graphic intense, let's face it most of their games still look like wii u games, like splatoon2, Arms, not saying they aren't technically impressive because they are, guess what i am saying is it's a weak home console but a powerful handheld, if that makes any sense. In your words switch can't handle latest this gen games because it's a handheld, meaning 3rd party
@BlueOcean Don't mean Wii U will run it.
Just the Wii U wasn't as powerful as you think doesn't mean I'm exaggerating how weak the Wii U is.
Switch uses 2015 moblie tech and Curbstomps 7th gen, Wii U contains a processor that's slower and weaker than 360. It's not exaggeration, you just need to stop over glorifing wiiu.
@NabbitFan730 Let's get one thing straight, i don't give a rats arse about wii u or switch for that matter, but just for the record i would rather have switch than wii u, hope that cleared that up, keep smiling ☺
You cannot make the comparisons you are making because Nintendo doesn't have two current generation devices to compare. Imagine if Sony didn't make a PS3. Would that have made the PSP "console quality" by the simple fact that there wasn't another current generation Sony device to compare with? This is the argument you seem to be making.
You can, however, compare this generation (the Switch) with Nintendo's last generation (the WiiU). When you do, however, it doesn't look good. The Switch is not capable of much more than the WiiU was (just like the PSP wasn't capable of much more than the PS2, or the Vita much more than the PS3) and if we draw those comparisons, the Switch is still just a dockable handheld. There are no games made on the Switch, that could not have been made on last generations WiiU. By your own metric, by your own logic, the Switch doesn't have console quality games.
To be clear, I do not use your artificial metric to determine if a game is "console quality" or not. If a game is of the same size, scope and scale as major titles released on the consoles, then its a console quality title. Thats it. I don't care if you could have made the game on the Atari 2600, thats not what defines a console quality title. The Switch has a dozen or so of these games, sure. It will also likely have many more over its life, absolutely. That doesn't mean that its any different than the PSP or Vita though. They both strived for the same thing. Console quality titles on a portable. And achieved this, time and time again, just as the Switch will.
The Switch is better hardware, and its easier to play it in console mode, and for this reason it will be much more successful in its goal than the PSP and Vita were; but to ignore the PSP and Vita and pretend like the Switch is the first handheld to make console quality titles is just willful ignorance.
@Nolan420 Snake Pass is great regarding the controls. But it's a very different 3D platformer, since you move left/right to gain momentum (you have the shoulder buttons to not loose the grip). However, at some places the camera is less than ideal (mainly since the camera is at ground level).
@EDF Exactly, no way Switch could run games like Halo 5 or Uncharted 4 and Switch games look similar to Wii U games with a small resolution boost. Most Nintendo's Wii U games were 60fps. I don't know why they want us to believe that Switch is a powerful console.
@electrolite77 Yep not often enough, what they did to J&D was a tragedy, out of all the ps2 remasters that one was by far the worst, I didn't buy it. Anyways uncharted & killzone certainly gave a impression that you were playing a home console experience. Many of the other ps3 ports were fine though had to be compromised in some form or another but they were still home console experiences regardless what others on here think, it would be same for switch if square was to release FFXV on switch, compromise would have to be made but it would still get that home console feeling. Enough of that, i kept my Vita for Japanese games, well it certainly wasn't for all those western and Sony games that aren't coming, but vita is certainly King when it comes to Japanese niche games, secret of Mana remake anyone lol, seriously though i don't get much time for games, working long shifts does that
Well, if nothing else, it's been interesting... The NS has proven the power of ports to single handedly carry a system's popularity. No matter how good the game is, a port is a port, after all. There's been a few exclusives here and there with good quality, but Splatoon 2 is the only one with star power so far. All in all, from my point of view, not enough incentive to get an NS yet. I'll be waiting for the inevitable mid gen upgrade 2-4 years hence. Every Nintendo portable console since the GBA has had mid gen upgrades within about 2 or 4 years after release.
Speaking of which... Looking at the comments, I can't help but feel it's unique to Nintendo fans to treat the NS as a home console. Most everyone else sees the NS as a portable console with a TV Out capability. Especially in the PC realm, there's no mistaking the distance between modern PC game requirements and the NS.
I finished a custom built PC recently using newer parts... The difference is night and day between that kind of performance and the NS. The NS uses mobile parts, therefore it's a portable console. I have no trouble recognizing that and accepting it for what it is. Certainly, the NS has more to set it apart from the PC than the PS4/XB1 in the age of x86 console development. But I have no illusions about the NS being a comparable product. It has to stand on it's own, like the 3DS did before it.
@thedevilsjester
Yep tried telling him something similar but he wouldn't listen, he just seemed obsessed with Ninty developed games for switch with no mention of latest 3Rd party games, not ports that switch can't run, why because it's a handheld, still it gets console quality games just like vita, psp. Have to say though you worded it better than me
@NabbitFan730 Probably due to denial that the Wii U is likely going to be the final Nintendo home console after such a storied legacy came down in flames. It ain't just a river! Well, lots of people were predicting it would eventually come to this as far back as the GameCube days. So it's not totally unexpected, but still a bittersweet result. On the bright side, all development will be focused on Nintendo's traditional breadwinner from now on!
@NabbitFan730@PlywoodStick Because of Nintendo's confusing marketing. I called it hybrid until reading this never-ending thread now I agree that it's a handheld with an HDMI cable included and a hollow piece of plastic.
But let's be honest, Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U and Nintendo says that it's an hybrid console, no wonder people are confused.
What with people in the comments overhyping Wii U, Saying it can handle Switch every game and it's on par etc. People, Seriously......Switch uses has 2015 moblie tech that demolishes 7th Gen, Wii U is using Archecture from GameCube which is Weaker and Slower than 360 and with half the ram......
If thinks otherwise, saying Wii U is capable as Switch or Vice versa is delusional and knows nothing on hardware.
@PlywoodStick These don't realize their handhelds make the most money and their consoles flop(Nes,SNES and Wii are exceptions). They're Deep in denial to go as far to overhype Wii U. I don't really get the love for the GC. It was second biggest flop before the Wii U.
They have to get use to it or leave Nintendo.
@BlueOcean It's certainly a powerful handheld but for those that think it's a home console, they have bought a weak console, this is nintendo's 2nd attempt at this gen with a home console that's still can't run the latest new 3rd party games, hence why it will only get last gen ports, sad indeed. Any of the latest games will be severely compromised, that's if it gets them. None of that matters really cause it's a handheld and said 3rd party last gen ports would be welcome. That's what i think of switchportal
@BlueOcean Well, there may actually be something to the marketing and how people use their systems... In the past 6 months, I have only ever seen a single person using an NS in public, which was on a public transit bus. And I regularly take public transit in the Washington DC Metropolitan Area. Most people are likely taking that marketing to heart and just keeping their systems at home, instead of actually taking them out and about. The only anecdotes I've seen suggesting otherwise have been from Nintendo fans, particularly those on NL. (Although, admittedly that in itself is an anecdote... )
@PlywoodStick The Switch is a home console if you want to use it that way. The Switch is a portable if you want to use it that way. The Switch is a tabletop machine if you want to use it that way.
The hybrid nature of the Switch really isn't that difficult.
@NabbitFan730 Although the Wii U CPU is similar to the 360, the GPU in the Wii U however is much stronger and more contemporary than the 360. The Wii U has 2GB, where 1 GB can be used for games. The 360 has 512MB RAM, and much slower memory transfer speed.
@EDF True, Switch is Nintendo's second attempt in the current generation which is not current-generation. It can run Wii U ports/expansions easily but still hasn't received any current-gen multiplatform game (don't include 2D games) so I understand that people are disappointed because it lacks the power of the consoles released in 2013.
The first multiplatform 3D games will be Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Sonic Forces, Steep, Yooka-Laylee... Let's see how Switch deals with them, but it doesn't look easy. Sonic is 30 fps on Switch, same for Dragon Ball and probably the visuals will be downgraded as well (apart from resolution). Most of the games of the current-generation are not present at all on Switch.
@EDF Pretty sure DBXV2,Mario and Rabbids, Fifa 17, NBA 2K, Disgaea 5+,Steep, Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces, Rocket League etc are all Last gen but hey, Keep believing Every game is a last gen ports....
Also last gen ports are here because developers need to test waters or the switch and also that portability factor.
@PlywoodStick Yes, I would use it as a home console too but mostly because of its size and battery life. Nintendo made sacrifices in order to achieve its hybrid thing and those sacrifices are potentially disappointing for both home users and handheld users.
@MsgBoardGamer Who said psp, vita was a home console, not me, i said both machines have games that give you a home console experience. Well that was just a fancy way of avoiding the fact that outside of Ninty developed games the switch can't give the very latest 3rd party home console experience. I ain't even going to answer the ridiculous comment about Ninty pushing their own hardware and bollocks to all you 3rd party comment. Reminds me of a man trapped on a island by himself, why would anybody want to rescue him after he turned his back on them
@PlywoodStick@MsgBoardGamer why do you care so much what he thinks? He doesn't like the switch- we do. End of really. I take mine on public transport all the time. I alternate between it and my vita.
The games so far have been damn good, but I still have some massive complains about the console overall (No Virtual Console anywhere in sight. Absolutely no easy way to communicate with friends online. Both the eShop and home menu feel bland without music. No central online hub for the community, like Miiverse.)
@jariw Technically, the same could be said for the PSP-2000/3000/GO and Vita. They can be played using a TV with the console as a controller, portably, or with a tabletop stand. They had the same "hybrid nature." However, I've never once heard or seen anyone call the PSP or Vita a "hybrid console"... Only portable. The NS does nothing new in that regard. Ultimately, though, it's just semantics. It is what it is, and nothing less.
@EDF When you buy Nintendo produtcs, expect for less 3rd parties because Nintendo games are mostly about 1st parties. 3rd parties are just Complementary, not a Mandatory support. Don't mixed up with Sony / Microsoft. Nintendo is a DIFFERENT Company. You should know from beginning and try to embrace their difference.
Also with PS4 Pro here and Xbox One X around the corner the new games are becoming more advanced with vanilla versions available for PS4 and Xbox One. Will developers find the time and resources to scale down their games until they run decently on Switch?
@NabbitFan730 Exactly mate, where are all the big games, it's great that's it's getting these games but you know what am talking about, now don't be canny lol. Yes they have to test waters, hell why not, then they will release more last gen ports, just like capcom, many will follow their lead, it's no bad thing
@BlueOcean What? GC didn't sell as well as its competitors and at the time the worst Nintendo selling console not countng the virtual boy. Pretty sure it was a failure
@NabbitFan730 Absolutely. The Switch is more powerful than the WiiU (and has double the RAM), but the difference doesn't really amount to much. Mario+Rabbids was originally in development for the WiiU (or at least, a game by Ubi with Mario and Rabbids in it, may not have turned out to be the same game in the end, who knows), and MarioKart 8 Deluxe doesn't look much different than MarioKart 8, and Breath of the Wild IS on the WiiU, and Splatoon 2 doesn't do anything that couldn't have been done as a WiiU title like Splatoon. Skyrim was on the PS3, and the WiiU is capable of making almost anything the PS3 was capable of. So yes, the WiiU is capable of any game that the Switch is, with little to no sacrifices/differences.
I am sure you could push the Switch to its limits and get a bit of extra shine that you couldnt have gotten on the WiiU, but not only are developers hesitant to do that on the Switch (because the more you push the Switch, the worse your battery life is) but having a few extra shaders, or a little bit more draw distance, is not why people buy Nintendo. If they wanted or cared about that, they would have a PS4, and Xbox One, or a PC.
@NabbitFan730 GameCube wasn't a failure, it was profitable but PS2 was a huge success, the best-selling console ever. Nobody could have beaten that. The most balanced generation ever was last generation but that's the only exception:
Wii: Around 100 millions
Xbox 360: Around 80 millions
PS3: Around 80 millions
No other generation has been as balanced as last generation.
@darthstuey Well, I'm glad one more person does, because I was expecting to see an explosion of NS users out in the wild by the end of the year! That was supposed to be how people learned more about the NS, through word of mouth... Seeing how demo kiosks are nearly nonexistent for the NS, even now..
@Anti-Matter Never once did I say the Switch is less powerful than the PSP or Vita.
To be clear I think the Switch is far superior in every way to the PSP and Vita, and I love Playstation so much that I have a Playstation Tattoo. That should tell you what I think about the Switch as a hardware device. I love it. My only arguments have been that the software is not there yet (and I don't expect it to be at 6 months), and that the idea of console quality games on a handheld is not a new one, its the very idea that the PSP and Vita were running on. Thats it. Anything else, you read into it because you either skimmed my posts, confused them with someone else, or have poor reading comprehension.
@BlueOcean To be fair, the PS4 Pro and XB1 are both stuck with overclocked refreshes of the now aging Jaguar APU, which severely bottlenecks their potential performance, given their GPU upgrades over the base systems. So their performance vs NS is significant, but it's been prevented from being worlds apart. It's only really impossible to transfer from the most technically demanding titles. Given the steeply rising cost of game development, the NS provides a much more affordable option.
@thedevilsjester This Wii U Overhype, man.....Mario And Rabbids runs at 600p 30fps portable....Doesnt Matter if it was originally made for Wii U, no chance it run unless it's 480p 15fps with Huge Drops and that's with super opmitization.
Splatoon 2 is Bigger, Better Textures, Shadows all not possible on Wii U.
Oh yeah, on your Wii U hype Stream, you forgot one thing.....Wii U CPU uses Archecture from the GC despite being overclocked was weaker than the 360 and PS3 so guess what....Wii U wouldn't Run Skyrim as even as well PS3.
Also What about DBXV2,Steep, Forces etc. Cherry picking I see...
So no Wii U will not handle or capable any Switch game, let alone without sacrifices....You really need to overhyping Wii U.
@MsgBoardGamer Not sure which point or article your talking about, we have posted many, do enlighten me, I have probably answered it somewhere, maybe or I got side tracked
@PlywoodStick The Xbox One X in particular is achieving ultra PC settings thanks to its optimisation and operations built in the CPU/GPU. Also, the development kits are shared between PC and X so it's very easy to port between them. I think that most devopers are focused on PC/Xbox One X with "automatic" versions for Pro, PS4 and the original One. To make a Switch version you have to deal with different architecture and much less power.
@MsgBoardGamer You don't seem to understand what a "generation" is in terms of console specs. 8x-16x the performance and capacity of the previous hardware is what generally constitutes a generation. In a previous discussion (maybe on pushsquare?) I outlined some of these specs to show what a console generation is. The Switch is not a generational jump, its more like the WiiU's version of the "PS4 Pro". Better specs, not really capable of much more than its predecessor, but it can add a cherry on top.
@NabbitFan730 Not answering your question for every single game you listed, is not cherry picking, its not wasting my time.
You misunderstand, I hate the WiiU (to be honest, I dont like any Nintendo home console since the SNES, but I love the Switch), I am not trying to White Knight that machine, far from it. I am trying to say that the Switch isn't really more capable. Not in any degree that matters. Sure you can have some extra shadows here, slightly better water shaders there, and a small resolution bump while docked, but you can also drop all of those things (or not include them in the first place) and the games will not lose any of their fun. You could still make those games, make them visually impressive, and enjoyable, on the WiiU.
@thedevilsjester You really will overhype Wii U to new levels huh? Even a DEVELOPER who Works both Wii U and Switch and said Switch is Generations ahead you still deny. Lol
@MsgBoardGamer I didn't really read your latest post because you don't really seem to read mine, just skim them for points you want to try and argue against. Whatever you choose to beleive, I have looked at (most) of the major titles on the WiiU (like Smash, Splatoon, MK, etc...) and I have looked at most of the major titles on my Switch (hooked up to the same TV), and damned if I could find any real differences. Oh I am sure if you analze the still images frame by frame you could point out where the lighting works better, or when zoomed in at full range the texture is slightly less blurry, but that doesn't mean that the game could not have been made on the WiiU, and unless you compare them side by side, no one would really notice or care. It would still be the same game, it would still be just as enjoyable for those that enjoy those games. It would just be a little less graphically impressive, and lets be honest, Nintendo fans don't care about technical specs, they care about results.
@MsgBoardGamer PC gaming is significant in the discussion because outside of Nintendo's portable consoles, that's what's seeing the most growth for core gaming right now. (Not counting the mobile industry's race to the bottom.) Home console gaming, by contrast, has severely contracted since the 7th console generation. Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, hence the switch to the Switch. A wise move.
However, a look at the specs of the device reveals the home console marketing spiel for what it is. The output and controller options are built into the device, the dock doesn't unlock anything. It's just a port to plug the console into so the console can tell itself that it doesn't have to worry about the battery. That's just a hard coded downgrade/normalize switch. Doesn't bring it's performance up to modern standards on stationary consoles/PC, though. The viability there remains advantageous when considered primarily a portable console. No one else offers what Nintendo is offering in that regard.
Drumming it up doesn't change it's purpose, though. It's the sole new path for Nintendo consoles, take it or leave it for better or worse.
@NabbitFan730 Do you understand what hyping something means? I don't think the WiiU is impressive at all. In fact I think its a poor excuse for a console. How is that hyping, or over hyping something? What I said was that the Switch isn't capable of making something that the WiiU couldn't have. Not because the WiiU is some great machine, its not, but because the Switch is also not very technically impressive. Not for a console its not. Its the best handheld that has ever been made, but its a pretty poor console.
I don't care what some developer said (I have been a software engineer for over a decade, and developed many games), what I care about is results. Those results are on the store shelves. Its that simple.
@NabbitFan730 It's a modified and customised CPU-GPU with huge memory bandwidth, not a simple Jaguar. Titanfall 2 up to 6K running on Xbox One X. If you think that's a potato then Switch must be a Game Boy running Tetris in comparison.
@MsgBoardGamer I grow tired of scrolling down all of these comments to get to the bottom to read/respond (its a pain on the phone), so I am going to stop replying to these and leave you with this. It doesn't matter what the technical specs are (though 5x GPU and 2x RAM is hardly a generational bump), what matters is how/if they are used. Breath of the Wild on WiiU doesnt really look any different than Breath of the Wild on the Switch. It plays the same, it has the same frame rate drops in the same areas. This is Nintendos flagship title, the title that has supposedly over a 110% attachment rate, and it really doesn't have anything in the Switch version that is not in the WiiU version.
The fact that the Switch (undocked) has some serious frame rate issues with Breath of the Wild shows that its pushing the Switch to its limits. The fact that it doesnt play or look much different on the WiiU shows that there really isnt much the Switch can do (realistically) that the WiiU couldnt have.
@thedevilsjester You said said Wii U could run any Switch game, I gave list, you still didn't finish so unless you counter every game on my list, the Wii U can't Switch run every game, "I didn't want to waste time" Yet you have to time to overestimate Wii U and put it at levels it won't even dent....You can damage control all you want but waiting on the wall.
@NabbitFan730 Sure, you gave a list, and I disagree with every one on that list. It really it doesn't matter if you had just copy and pasted the List of Switch Games from Wikipedia, I still disagree with your assertion that they are significantly better on the Switch than they would have been on the WiiU. I called out a few specific examples that happen to have direct parallels on the WiiU. The rest just fall into the "and everything else", since its hard to compare without parallels. As a developer though, I am 100% certain that they could have made each of those games on the WiiU, and they would still be just as enjoyable.
Look at my reply directly above yours. Breath of the Wild has some serious frame rate drops on the Switch (so its all the Switch can handle and then some), yet it looks/plays no different on the WiiU, and this is from the developer that knows the Switch better than anyone. The WiiU can clearly handle a game that the Switch struggles to maintain a stable framerate on. The proof is in the pudding.
@BlueOcean Considering that games like Destiny 2 are being locked at up to 1080p 60 FPS/1440p 30 FPS on XB1X, meanwhile PC can now go up to 1080p/1440p 144 FPS... I'm going to say it's not even remotely close to accommodating Ultra settings. Maybe high settings on some games. With slower loading times, thanks to no SSD optimization. But yeah, it's kinda funny watching people bicker over 30/60 FPS when PC cleared that hurdle years ago.
Granted, ultra settings often provide almost no visibly noticeable benefits over high settings, making it a resource hog more than anything else. Maxing out FPS with high settings is the ideal.
@BlueOcean What's with you Xbox guys always bring Switch in this...Switch being weaker than The X still doesn't change the fact is nothing more than a Mid PC.
That's "custom apu" is going to be a Jaguar Potato because guess what....All games on X must run on the OG Xone. So yeah, Nothing than a Mid Range PC.
You guys need to stop touting POWAH and actually ask for exclusive because the X isn't going to change anything for the Xbox brand.
@PlywoodStick Not all games on Xbox One X are 30fps, some are 60fps. Some even native 4K60fps (Forza). Ultra is not the correct term, each game has its own "ultra" specs, so forget I said ultra, just check link.
"Monolith has confirmed native 4K for Shadow of War, while Respawn Entertainment says that Titanfall 2 dynamically scales up to 6K resolution. On top of that, Ark developer Studio Wildcard likens Xbox One X to a PC running a GTX 1070 with 16GB of RAM"
This proves that Xbox One X achieves the same results as a high-range PC with a €500 GPU and 16GB of RAM.
@NabbitFan730@MsgBoardGamer I say the WiiU is capable of doing almost everything the Switch is, you say its not. When did this become the argument?
I love the Switch hardware and I think the software will get there eventually (thats why I bought it, to support its future). You should save your argument effort for people that have not taken a drink of the Switch kool aid because I am firmly in the "I love the Switch" camp.
We can go back and forth, but its an argument without end and without a definitive answer, just opinions. Neither of us is going to change the others mind, and I dont want to argue with you all just to argue. I like these communities. I don't think this topic really matters in the grand scheme of things, so agree to disagree?
@NabbitFan730 "What's with you Xbox guys You guys need to stop touting POWAH and actually ask for exclusive because the X isn't going to change anything for the Xbox brand".
I didn't expect you to be trolling me after a long conversation. I love Nintendo. Grow up. Because of your trolling nonsense, I will ignore you.
@MsgBoardGamer Sony had the same idea with PSP/Vita for their time... "A portable console with the amenities of a home console." Nintendo just happened to be the company getting it right once the available technology finally caught up to the concept. I'm expecting to see mid gen SKU upgrades every 2-3 years to keep up with modern tech as prices fall. Pascal Tegra should be more affordable by then, then Volta Tegra 4-6 years from now.... That wouldn't be bad at all.
@thedevilsjester The Switch isn't as impressive as PS4 and Xbox one but Wii U is no contest.....Seriously It's Using a Overclocked GameCube Processor which still couldn't compete with 360, Developers who worked on both systems said Switch is Generations beyond Wii U but according to you it's on par with 2015 MOBILE TECH.....ok
BOTW Runs like that because the same reason I stated above, Outdated processor that Handicapped the Switch. I 100% Guarntee it will run 1080p 60fps if Made only for Switch.
You can keep saying "oh I hate Wii U" all you like but still doesn't change the fact you're heavily overestimating the Wii U.
@electrolite77 I purchased that for vita without reading vita version reviews. After 1 hour I turned off and never played jax and daxter on Vita again. Absolute shocking port compared to the beautiful PS3 version.
"In terms of desktops, at $500 the Xbox One X competes with our cheap gaming PC build guide. And for the price, the specs are pretty similar. Our rig has a 3GB GTX 1060, which is about on par with the power level described above (though with significantly less GDDR5 RAM, as mentioned). Our rig also doesn't account for the price of Windows, but the trade-off there is you get a fully-functioning PC, as opposed to the locked ecosystem of a console. And, of course, the ability to upgrade down the line."
"Xbox One X compete with our CHEAP GAMING PC"
😂 Lol. The X vs Ultra PC goes out the Window, X has and will never stand a chance against Ultra PCs.
Also When was Truth considered trolling though, With Xbox cancelling Exclusives, Phil saying "BOTW and Horizon aren't impactful", Fake 4K etc, What will the X do? Xbox is getting curbstomped by PS4 and can't even keep up with Switch in Weekly to monthly Sales and Exclusives, X won't do anything, it's has no market for anyone except Xbox diehards and each console they sell they lose Money....
The only person who needs to grow up If you really think X will do anything for the Xbox Brand.
@MsgBoardGamer I never made the claim that the WiiU has better games than the Switch.
As for the other point, it is not objectively false, its still pure opinion. I will explain this by separating the fact from opinion.
Fact: You can make any game thats made on the Switch on the WiiU.
Opinion: The differences that would be required to make the game on said platform are immaterial or wouldn't impact the playability or enjoyment provided by the game.
We differ on the opinion portion. When I play PC games (for example), the first thing I do is turn off shadows, and turn reflections to their lowest setting. I never really notice (nor care) about these things. If a game has to drop the resolution, lower shadows, reflections, etc..., this doesn't make any difference to me at all. I hardly notice. In fact most people won't really notice unless you point it out to them. So if these were the "sacrifices", they are not really sacrifices in my opinion.
@thedevilsjester Mario Kart 8 Deluxe runs in 1080p60. Fast RMX runs in 1080p60. The Switch version of Breath of the Wild runs in 900p, and the frame rate of the latest version is much better than that of the Wii U version. You should watch the Splatoon 2 analysis video by Digital Foundry. The Switch is roughly 2 times as powerful as the Wii U.
I'm not sure why you are comparing the Switch and Wii U, though. What is your point? You said this, "the Switch is a great peice of hardware that I want to see succeed." Then you said that it wasn't different enough from the Wii U. Has you changed your mind?
Ia the first Poll about the switch library until now, or does It include anouced Future games? If It's only until now, It's disapointing, my 2 most played games are on Wii u anyway.
Im not sure where you're getting you're info from but BOTW runs better on Switch. It has a more stable frame rate in every mode and when Docked it runs at 900p rather than 720p which is an increase of over 50% in pixel count. This is despite being developed for the more mature Wii U and ported over as a Switch launch game.
So yes you're right, the proof is in the pudding and a look under the custard shows Switch demonstrating significant improvements. Here's more pudding....
@MsgBoardGamer it's clear that you don't actually know how a game is developed. A "game engine" is nothing more than a term to mean "a chunk of reusable code". There is no such thing as a game engine that's not possible on this or that platform. Having developed software for nearly two decades (commercially for one) and designed numerous game engines and worked with different consoles (mostly handhelds and PC, though I have friends that develop on the consoles) I would say that I have a pretty good understanding about this field. Every game engine is possible. Of course back porting them is much much harder than designing them for the platform to begin with.
As for back tracking, not at all. Simply clarifying because you seem to be under false impressions about what I mean or say. For example, TECHNICALLY dropping the resolution by 1 pixel would be something that technically makes the game less than it's 1 pixel better. You would be hard pressed to find someone that actually cares about that difference. Where is the line between "a minor change and a change that changes the entire game?" I argue that between the WiiU and the Switch that the line is close enough to not matter. The game would still be the same game and still be just as fun, without a few shadows.
It's clear that you don't want to have a meaningful discussion, and you think you know how everything works, and no amount of logic is going to dissuade you, so this conversation is pointless.
It's even more pointless because I don't actually care. The Switch could be 1000x more powerful than the PS4, or half as powerful as the NES and I don't really care. I have no dog in this fight. I got pulled into this argument because...well I don't know why.
@electrolite77 I never said that it didn't run better on the Switch. Why do people keep reading things that are not there into my posts and the try and argue with me about these imagined slights?
I said that it struggles to run at full speed on the Switch at all times. This means it's pushing the Switch to it's limits if the Switch cannot maintain it's framerate. I also said that the game doesn't have any dramatic differences between the platforms it's on. All this is to say that the WiiU was capable of having a fully featured version of a game that pushed the Switch to it's limits.
Not too shabby, it competes with an XB1X and bashes the PS4Pro over the head. It can also be upgraded with a modern M.2 SSD, more/faster DDR4 RAM, and a newer CPU/GPU in the future. Keep in mind that according to the Bottleneck Calculator, this system as-is would have an 18% bottleneck between the CPU and GPU. (10% or less is considered ideal.) By comparison, the XB1X would have a far more substantial bottleneck, as told in the PCGamer link provided by Nabbit above:
"Compared to a desktop CPU, the Xbox One X's CPU will be a substantial bottleneck. The eight Jaguar CPU cores will offer one-half to one-third the performance of AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. As we wrote when the Scorpio specs were first revealed, all eight cores working together will maybe roughly equal the performance of an Intel i3 CPU."
The current Intel i3's are dual core processors. The Jaguar APU's are quad cores, but they're only being clocked up to around 1.6-2.1 GHz tops, which is very slow by modern standards. By contrast, the Ryzen 3 1200 in the above PC build I composed begins at 3.1 GHz and can potentially be clocked to 3.4+ GHz using overclocking software. (A320 motherboards don't include hardware-based overclocking commands.) As part of the Ryzen line, it also includes many modern features that are missing in the Jaguar APU's. Thus, even though it's the lowest budget CPU in AMD's Ryzen line at about $110, it's still more powerful than the CPU in the XB1X. Some developers try to downplay the consequences of bottlenecking, but the effects become noticeable even when pitted against comparably priced modern PC systems.
As for the cost of the Microsoft OS license, Windows 10 is free to download and install. The license is mainly just used for security/biannual update pack support. The license can thus be chalked up to a future software purchase. Keyboard and mouse costs not included, but there are budget bundles out there for the cost of an XB1X/PS4 controller or less. Not to mention this setup can perform way more tasks than a console can. So, uh... yeah.
In addition, if the PC budget is increased to $600, then a GTX 1060 3GB (which is practically on par with the real life performance of the XB1X GPU, as described in the PCGamer link) can replace the RX 460 4GB. The XB1X GPU cannot realistically perform on par with any GTX 1070. No current integrated GPU is capable of that, because it would generate too much heat. Not to mention, console games don't even make full use of the 8GB of RAM requirement for typical modern PC setups anyways, so 16GB is a moot point. The ARK devs positing the idea about GTX 1070 comparisons (where you probably got that info from) were just circulating a rumor. If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably false.
If the XB1X GPU really was on par with a GTX 1070, Microsoft would be talking up 100+ FPS and 30/60 FPS limits being a thing of the past. Which they aren't, especially since Phil Spencer thinks most gamers don't care about 60+ FPS. Most TV's don't offer 144Hz, and especially not Free/GSync, so most of them can't take advantage of 100+ FPS anyways. Being stuck at 60 FPS is a console's curse.
@NabbitFan730 "Compared to a desktop CPU, the Xbox One X's CPU will be a substantial bottleneck. The eight Jaguar CPU cores will offer one-half to one-third the performance of AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. As we wrote when the Scorpio specs were first revealed, all eight cores working together will maybe roughly equal the performance of an Intel i3 CPU."
If you ask me, that's the really damning kicker there. It's like the XB1X was deliberately neutered from the start so that it wouldn't outpace the PS4Pro and make multiplatform development more streamlined, at the cost of hurting performance for exclusives.
I bought the system couple days ago, so far is very good! especially when playing the legend of zelda(first time). The drawback is in my country(asia) they still dont have products warranty
@thedevilsjester Watch this video: https://youtu.be/3hdGpEPy-K4. The difference is easily noticeable. The frame rate of the latest version of the Switch version of Breath of the Wild is much better than that of the Wii U version.
Also, you have to keep in mind that Breath of the Wild is the final first-party Wii U game, whereas it's one of the first first-party Switch games. The development team also worked longer on the Wii U version.
@ThatNyteDaez I'm on the EXACT same boat as far as the Switch replacing my time playing the Wii /3DS 90% (heh, only reason I even turned on my Wii U today in MONTHS is coz of being stuck at home all weekend due to Hurricane Irma lol). And same...my PS4 is collecting dust, as well!
@MsgBoardGamer Don't why he believes A Overclocked GameCube Processor weaker than 360 is on par with 2015 Moblie tech. It's like saying 1995 pcs are on with iPads lol.
I have played Breath of the Wild more than 100 hours on Wii U and a bit on Switch. Both versions were released with choppy frame rate but only the
Switch version has been "fixed" since launch, which doesn't mean that the Wii U could not have been. One of the evidences is that the slowdowns on the Wii U happen mostly in the villages which have nothing specially demanding. I have all updates and none of them have fixed anything regarding performance on Wii U because Nintendo just doesn't care about Wii U users and they just fixed the "glitches" like the arrows "glitch", which is not really a glitch but a farming procedure. Probably they even did this on purpose so that the Switch version was "better", smoother.
But enough of my experience, let's get technical.
If Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U, Breath of the Wild would be significantly better on Switch in the areas where they focused on, frame rate and resolution, but all they achieved was the same 30 fps and the same 720p resolution, 900p docked. Switch uses 20 per cent increase in bandwidth when it is in dock mode.
Not only that but Switch has trouble keeping the 30 fps so the resolution goes down from 1600x900 to 1440x810p in docked mode and from 1280×720 to 1152x648 in handheld mode to keep the frame rate smooth.
If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p in docked mode and to 1152x648 in handheld mode in order to keep a modest 30 fps frame rate.
And before anyone says that the Switch version is a rushed port, the Wii U version was finished one year before its release according to Nintendo, so they had been working on the Switch version for one year at the very least without adding any additional content.
I took my switch to a friends yesterday , we had dinner and then the 4 of us played mario kart and sonic mania till the early hours , it's resulted in two of my mates ordering switch consoles this morning.
Although it's a great console, Nintendo is putting too much emphasis on multiplayer (MK8D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken) and I'm left wanting for another meaty adventure after BOTW that is not a 2D re-release or retro style game.
Large single player campaigns are way to sparse at the moment and I feel there is a trend of dev's coping out of them in favour of 'lazy' multiplayers - even Mario Kart STILL has very lazy single player in it's deluxe variant - when it was already a great multiplayer - and could desperately use a 'Mission Mode DLC'. Don't get me wrong I think Nintendo is doing wonders for local multiplayer in particular and I enjoy 2D retro or otherwise - but we need more 3D single player adventures - that are not ruddy turn based RPGs either. Thank goodness for Mario Odyssey.
Personally I think Nintendo should have pre-developed one more major large single player experience for the Switches launch - even the Yoshi game. Not enough seems to have been developed pre-launch by Nintendo imo - but I guess they are getting the now.
@jariw 1, 2, Switch was picked up at launch. I've enjoyed some smaller indie releases on the system, like Kamiko and Blaster Master Zero, but for the bigger retail releases there hasn't been much that's grabbed my interest yet.
A number of titles released on the system I already own elsewhere and have no intent to re-buy.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "Then let's talk about other issues. No Virtual Console, no browser, lack of significant 3rd party support, expensive, underpowered, expensive accessories, no apps, ports are more expensive than on other consoles, terrible battery life, limited cartridge size, no D pad, controller issues, ridiculous voice chat setup, puny internal memory, etc. It's a handheld with TV Out."
One question, how does "Neo Geo" not count as Virtual Console releases? The Neo Geo releases are cool, because setting them up on a PC can be tricky. It would be cool to have some VC titles on the go, but I usually only buy VC release for special reasons (Super Mario Advance 4 having eReader courses | Drill Dozer having Rumble | Advance Wars: Dual Strike - playing Nintendo DS games on the TV).
If you want a controller with a D-Pad, then buy a Pro Controller.
While I use my Xbox One for apps like YouTube & Netflix, it is embarrassing the Switch hasn't got these. However, I suspect they will get released later on.
I do agree the lack of Voice Chat is terrible. Although if that is a feature you are after, why buy a Switch? The Xbox One or PS4 would be more up your stream.
Rayman Legends on Switch is £25, compared to retail price (I think I paid £40 for the Wii U title on launch). Pokémon Tekken on the Switch is £40 (Wii U was £50 on launch, I paid £60 for game and controller). Shall I carry on?
I've been enjoying Zelda and Mario Kart. Hyped for Super Mario Odyssey and will probably pick up Pokken Tournament DX and Skyrim at some point. The Switch has many flaws, but it's had some high points so far for sure.
@BlueOcean "Switch version has been "fixed" since launch, which doesn't mean that the Wii U could not have been."
It doesn't mean that the Wii U version could have been fixed either.
"but all they achieved was the same 30 fps and the same 720p resolution, 900p docked."
It also have smoother frame rates in the latest version. The difference is significant.
"If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p in docked mode and to 1152x648 in handheld mode in order to keep a modest 30 fps frame rate."
AFAIK, the Wii U version also uses a dynamic resolution feature. And how do you explain why Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Fast RMX run in 1080p60? It should go without saying that Nintendo cares a lot about Mario Kart 8, but the best they could achieve on the Wii U is 720p and 59 fps. They couldn't even make it run at 60 fps.
"And before anyone says that the Switch version is a rushed port, the Wii U version was finished one year before its release according to Nintendo"
This is not true. Nintendo never said that. The Switch version seems rushed. The frame rates are much improved after the release. Let's say what you said was true, it would mean that the Wii U version was fully developed.
"so they had been working on the Switch version for one year at the very least without adding any additional content."
One year is a very short time. Also, the Switch is still new even to Nintendo. While they should know everything there is to know about the Wii U since 2014.
@MsgBoardGamer Exactly. Nintendo wanted to release Breath of the Wild as a Switch launch game. They would rush it if they had to, or they had to postpone the Switch launch, which was most likely not the option.
I didn't say that the Wii U version doesn't use dynamic resolution scaling, did I? So don't tell me "for your information" as if I was wrong. Sorry if my post annoys you or if other people are confusing you with lies.
Breath of the Wild uses dynamic resolution scaling all the way down to 1152x648 on Wii U and Switch in handheld mode and still you insist that Switch is twice as powerful than Wii U, when Switch in docked mode only has 20% more bandwidth than in handheld mode and also needs to downscale the game as explained above.
Mario Kart 8 DX is exactly the same game as the Wii U version. It doesn't have any antialiasing or higher resolution textures or anything, and the fps is the same. It's true that the Wii U version is 59fps but you don't believe it's because Wii U struggles to hit 60fps, do you? In that case the Wii U version would be 59-60fps.
The skipped frame on the Wii U version is because of the Mario Kart TV feature which was implemented incorrectly and thus they had to lock the game to 59fps and they didn't patch it.
Do you really believe that a bump in resolution from 720p to 1080p (720p in handheld mode) in Mario Kart 8, with the same fps, performance and graphic features proves that Switch is twice as powerful as Wii U?
Why then a new game like Mario + Rabbids is 30 fps and 1600x900, 1066x600 in handheld mode? Why not 720p in handheld mode and match the screen resolution? Are the visuals really that demanding? No, but it has to run at 1066x600 and it would probably run at 1066x600 on Wii U, as every analysis seems to reveal that Switch in handheld mode is more or less as powerful as Wii U. Breath of the Wild and Mario + Rabbids certainly prove this theory of "can't hit 720p" because the ideal resolution for handheld mode is 720p, the resolution of the Switch screen, and they can't hit that target. If docked mode is 20% quicker and it is, Switch (in docked mode) would be around 20% more powerful than Wii U.
Of course, I can't give you an exact ratio and that 20% is an approximation because they are different architecture and who can compare that accurately? Nobody, but that is also the reason why we can only judge Switch's power comparing its results to those on Wii U.
@BlueOcean "I didn't say that the Wii U version doesn't use dynamic resolution scaling, did I? So don't tell me "for your information" as if I was wrong."
You said this, "If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p."
You might not mean it, but it seems you insinuated that the resolution dropping didn't occur in the Wii U version, otherwise why would you mention the resolution dropping at all?
Your could have said this instead: "If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to use the 900p resolution."
Mentioning the resolution dropping doesn't prove any point because it occurs on both versions, yet you mentioned it anyway, which is why I thought you might not know that the Wii U version also uses a dynamic resolution feature.
However, the only 900p resolution point has already been rebutted since the Switch version of Breath of the Wild has much smoother frame rates after the release.
The difference between 900p and 720p is 56.25%. The difference between 20 fps and 29 fps is 45%. So in total, the improvement is 101.25%. This is quite consistent with the estimation that the Switch is 2 times as powerful as the Wii U or 100% more powerful than the Wii U.
It's not only the memory's clock speed that can be increased.
If you use the memory's clock speed as your main argument, you won't be able the explain the difference between 900p and 720p resolutions, which is 56.25%.
@NinNin Hey, I never said that Wii U is more powerful, it is assumed in my comparison that I'm not trying to say that the Wii U version has any advantage at all. Yes, I could have written a more detailed explanation but that's why I included the link, because I can't rewrite the whole article, although I almost did. If I was hiding anything I would have not posted the link but I did. I used the exact resolution numbers every time to be as precise as possible.
The Wii U version is not 20fps LOL but I admitted that it runs poorly in the villages (like you say 20fps, probably worse) because it has never been optimised in any of the updates. If you read my comments you can see that I said that the villages have slowdowns but when you are in the field it's as good as the Switch version (30 fps), I know because I have played both versions. It looks like the optimisation process started in the open world and it makes sense because you are in there 90% of the time and they left the villages aside that are just four or five small points in the map. There's nothing really demanding in the villages, so I'm sure that they just didn't optimise them. Actually, it's the least optimised Nintendo game I've ever played (the Wii U version, I mean).
I just haven't been able to justify buying one, honestly, and when Nintendo moves on from the 3DS (read: Atlus), I probably will for a spell as well. The games I want to play right now are elsewhere, though I'm very happy that everyone has gotten so much joy from theirs. Not sarcasm.
@CorvoRevo You do realize that by simply posting your comment just to troll (which you’re not very good at, might I add) you are breaking the community guidelines, and now reserves me the right to report you?
@Zelda_Geek .... you have nothing better to do ? Its a month old post. Dude, get a life. Dont waste your time being an internet white-knight, nobody gives a [removed] about it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE bit random and hopefully not weird....I’ve just arrIved in Sligo in a family tree exploration trip. If you are of drinking age and fancy it, I’d have a pint and say hello talk a bit of Nintendo.
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absolutely love my system so far. breath of the wild and mario kart have more than already justified this system for me. can't wait for odyssey and xenoblade!
Love my Switch. Solid start to the system - each month there's something new to play and that trend looks set to continue throughout the year. Plenty to look forward to.
I mostly use mine docked but appreciate the ability to take it anywhere - certainly makes long weekends at the mother-in-laws a lot more tolerable...
As I have said before the Switch is shaping up to be my all time favourite console. Particularly as I am adult with a full time job the Switch fits into my life however I want it to. The dock is a fantastic idea and I can't wait to see what the future holds.
I think it speaks volumes that, though it lacks a huge library for now (for obvious reasons) the moment I received it on launch day, it's 90% replaced my Wii U and 3DS. Heck, my PS4 collected dust before, but now it's not even an option when I wonder about what I can play!
EDIT: I should clarify that Disgaea 5 is more than enough reason for me to justify buying a new console, but having Splatoon 2 on the same console, plus eventually getting Kirby AND Pokemon in the future means Switch doesn't have competition where I'm concerned. Being able to play any way I want cements that notion as well.
i dont think there has been such a stellar first year for any console untill the switch.
with that and future support, the switch has a great future ahead
It's been good. Use it mostly docked. Loving Zelda, Mario kart. Splatoon, arms so far. Waiting patiently for Mario
So far so good, Nintendo.
I got some shocking news about Switch games.
One of them was my favorite games from ps4 , ported to Switch in Physical retail. It was Portal Knights Switch version due to March 2018. AAAAAGGGHHH.....!!!
What do I think of Nintendo's
ConsoleHybridHANDHELD you mean? Super Mario Odyssey is the first real must have for me and that's not out yet. The rest of the games are largely Wii U ports or glorified expansions. Sure there's been a few exceptions like Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle which looks like a great game. I have my Wii U for BOTW, MK8, Rayman Legends, Lego City Undercover, Shovel Knight, etc, etc, etc.Then let's talk about other issues. No Virtual Console, no browser, lack of significant 3rd party support, expensive, underpowered, expensive accessories, no apps, ports are more expensive than on other consoles, terrible battery life, limited cartridge size, no D pad, controller issues, ridiculous voice chat setup, puny internal memory, etc. It's a handheld with TV Out.
I definitely split my time fairly evenly between docked and handheld play. Zelda BotW was just more impressive on the big screen and Mario Kart 8D multiplayer is far more enjoyable with a bigger screen, but I love playing 2D platformers like Shovel Knight, Wonder Boy and Blaster Master Zero in handheld mode.
I've hardly used it in tabletop mode, apart from for MK8D multiplayer. Might try Spla2n in tabletop, though.
The Switch was clearly a smart move by Nintendo, as the sales show. It's good to see that it's doing well.
However, it's still not that appealing to me personally. I rarely play games outside of the house, so portability doesn't do anything to me. Plus, quite a lot of the biggest hits on the system are similar to games that I've already played lots of on my Wii U. Then there's the cost of it, as it's more expensive than other consoles, the 32GB internal memory will quickly run out and Micro SD cards are expensive, it'll cost more to play using a more traditional pro controller, and third party games are generally more expensive and less pretty than on other systems.
So the console itself isn't something I'm keen on, but it's the games that matter. Once the Switch has Super Mario Odyssey and a Pokemon RPG, then I'll likely be a lot more positive.
Had a Switch since day 1 and it has been great. I have over 170 hours in Breath of the Wild, 30+ in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and I'm looking forward to Mario and Xenoblade at the end of the year.
This device has been everything that I love about Nintendo's handhelds and home consoles. When it's plugged into the dock it is a totally happy home console experience, but I can then pick it up and it becomes a handheld that is the most powerful that has been made. I've always been a fan of cartridges as a medium, so the Switch scratches all the right itches (and not any discs).
I'm looking forward to the consoles future, at this stage the forecast looks bright.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Just because you might use it primarily as a handheld doesn't mean everyone does. Personzlly, I use it most as a home console and occasionally take it out. The amazing thing about the Switch is it lets the player decide which way they want to play and doesn't just say "This is a home console" or "This is a handheld".
I want one, especially when Odyssey launches, but I don't £350 want one.
@Matthew010 "This is a tabletop console"
I got my Switch at retail in the first month itself along with Zelda and Fast RMX and I'm really enjoying it 6 months in. It doesn't even feel that six months have passed. Although I spend a lot of time in docked mode, constant trips here and there have made me take my Switch with me outside too, and so they're evenly split. The best thing about the Switch for me is the games obviously! Can't wait for Rocket League, Waifu Emblem Warriors and Mario Odyssey this year!
@jariw LMFAO
@CorvoRevo ^^Troll
@CorvoRevo No need for the bad language.
Love the hardware. The results of this poll showing that an equal amount of people are using it as a handheld, as a console and as a hybrid is testament to the success of the design. It's versatility makes it speak to more people.
On the games side, it doesn't have a game I completely love yet, but it has many I like, with some of my most anticipated ones still on the horizon.
@CorvoRevo are you crazy?
It took me a second to remember what the Nintendo Switch was, but once I remembered that not everyone calls it the Breath of the Wild box, it made much more sense.
In all seriousness, I remember where the Wii U was at this point and the Switch is head and shoulders above. A huge Zelda doesn't hurt, but the indie support is really cool, and the option to import games is amazing. I just got my copy of Monster Hunter XX, so I'm looking forward to losing a few (hundred) more hours into my Joy Cons.
I'd much prefer a console with a solid set of must buy titles than a ton of stuff I don't want.
Which is why my PS4 is an expensive Sky box at the moment.
I'm really enjoying it so far, but due to only purchasing one recently and already owning Zelda on the Wii U, it's mostly a multiplayer console for me at the moment (Splatoon 2, ARMS, Mario Kart and Street Fighter being my current library). Looking forward to more story-based/single-player games in the future, with Mario Odyssey being a definite purchase.
@CorvoRevo Ha! BUT MY JOY CON BE BROKE!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Switch is BOTH Handheld and Console, DUH !
Is it so hard to embrace Switch's feature ?
@jariw Are you serioulsly the 1% who use tabletop most?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Reply to me at least once please!! You talk to everyone else. It just seems rude.
@Anti-Matter SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS THE SWITCH!!!
@MrGawain I really love the Switch, but I'd argue that the PS4 currently has more must-buy titles than the Switch at the moment. I look forward to the volume changing in Nintendo's favour during the next couple of years though.
@CorvoRevo
Hey, watch your attitudes here !
Or I will tell to Administrator !
@Matthew010
Yippeee... !!
Breath of the Wild ALONE made the system worth buying. Add in Mario Kart and the upcoming Fire Emblem Warriors and I know that by the end of the year I'll have spent enough hours with it that I'll feel I've already gotten my money's worth out of the system.
I was raised on NES/SNES/GB. I moved over to PSX and then the X-Boxes in High School / College. I missed out on the whole N64/Gamecube/Wii/DS period. It was the 3DS and Wii-U that brought me back to Nintendo and I'm glad to be with the Switch from the get-go. I traded my Xbox One in for a Switch for my daughter (we're up to four Switches; mine, my wife's, my daughter's, and my son's) and I don't miss having it at all.
@Anti-Matter
What!? No way! You're crazy!
(Being sarcastic)
It had a slow start out of the gate (lack of games other than BotW), but things are shaping up nicely. We could definitely use more third party support, that's why I hope Rabbids does well on the system. For me personally, the system is great. They took the best part about the Wii U (off tv play) and made it the main selling point for the system. I've been playing Splatoon almost on a daily basis, and best of all, if my wife wants the tv, I can just keep going in handheld mode.
@MoonKnight7 And with games such as FIFA 18, NBA 2K18, Skyrim and L.A. Noire coming from big third parties and Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2, Pokemon and Metroid Prime 4 coming from Nintendo first party, its slow start out of the gate may well pay off!
I have found myself playing the switch less and less recently. the games lineup is really disappointing so far, the joy cons are uncomfortable both handheld and in their grip, and the system is just far to large for me to easily take anywhere.
For me it was a brilliant start with Zelda plus some cool indies and classic releases. Since finishing Zelda though I've been using it sparingly with the exception of Sonic Mania. I do have more games but I'm in the mood for something big and epic singleplayer wise. Mario Kart is good for a few quick races but I put most of my effort already in its initial Wii U incarnation. I do have Disgaea 5 and Fate but somehow not yet in the frame of mind to play them yet.
I expect that to change when Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade are released.
I LOVE the Switch's HYBRID nature (see @SLIGEACH_EIRE I can do it too! A mildly petty victory that I have successfully capitalised a word in an attempt to sway public opinion to follow my own thoughts and remove what I see is a gross error; except in my case I don't have to do mich work cos the majority of the people here can tell their arse from their elbow and what a product is by just seeing it in action rather than some random chump screaming their lungs off in a mere gaming website) as its allowed me to continue playing comfortably wherever I am. Plane, train, sofa, bed, desk, it has a mode for all.
Its still earpy days and I always see a console onpy really starts to take off (or begin to tank) after its first year. A strong start to the Switch but Nintendo can't be complacent.
I'm giving it a 4/5 so far.
I really enjoy it, but there's a few things missing. Netflix, Virtual Console, Smash and themes.
I play mostly in docked. Handheld before I go to sleep sometimes, and in the car.
I had to default to the "I don't have a Switch...." options. It'll be some time before I get one, unfortunately....
Absolutely loving it.
With the flexibility of taking the Switch with me, I'm playing more than I have in years.
@FX102A Thanks for backing me up there - hope one of us gets a reply from @SLIGEACH_EIRE.
@TommyTLG We're not getting a new Smash for years. A port of Wii U/3DS? Wait until E3 2018. We won't get it before then. Personally not having Smash doesn't break a decision to get a Switch.
I don't own it but a close friend does. The hardware itself is disappointing for a long list of reasons including ridiculous memory and battery life and the joycons are uncomfortable. Online is a joke. The library of games is not interesting for me as a Wii U owner and the pricing of the accessories and games is just not right. A hardware revision and if Super Mario Odyssey doesn't disappoint me are the two facts that could win me over and make me become an owner. As a side note, this is the first Nintendo console since SNES I'm not interested in.
@Refurin
Yay...!
You have similar case with me about your gaminghood.
I was raised by NES & SNES during 90's, raised by PS1 on year 1998, by PS2 on year 2002, but Wii and NDS called me back to Nintendo again on year after 2006. 3DS , Wii U and Switch are empowering my Trust about Nintendo.
I love it, it is awesome! It could use a few additions and improvements that probably will be added in future updates but now that I have tried it I'd never be able to get back to what I was used before. It's fantastic!
Very happy with it. One of the most interesting products Nintendo has provided IMO, and all the games releasing this year have been phenomenal so far.
@BlueOcean
Well...
At least the Indies for Switch are better than Horrible cheap indies on Wii U e-shop.
Btw, Do you like Zelda or Minecraft ?
Try Portal Knights. One of Good Indie games, published by 505 Games.
It will be on Switch due to March 2018.
The Switch has some great games but most of them are available on other systems, and it still has several problems (like the ones @SLIGEACH_EIRE mentioned) that Nintendo has yet to address. I don't regret my purchase (except for buying ARMS as well), but I can't wait for an improved online experience.
Very solid and enjoyable system. Put many, many hours into this machine already. Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario + Rabbids, Voez, Fast RMX, and Blast Master Zero are currently my favourite games on it and I've enjoyed (and am enjoying) playing them still. Absolutely worth every penny!
@Anti-Matter Zelda? I love Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess and I was disappointed by Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Minecraft? I haven't played it.
I find the concept really cool, but I'm holding off to get the inevitable upgraded/improved version of it.
Breath of the Wild may be the best game ever made. Other than that though... less than impressed. The portability is neat, but overshadowed by just how awful trying to play with the joycons is. Cramps after 5 minutes.
Best console I've bought in years and I buy them all.
I couldn't be happier with the switch. It fits my needs perfectly. I missed out on the NES and now SNES because Im always working so if Nintendo really wants to make the Switch truly remarkable.....they will release all the Snes/Nes games INCLUDING Star Fox 2 on the Eshop. Do right by your loyal subjects. 😝
@Arno Agreed. The hybrid concept is not for me when it sacrifices so many things including power that negatively affects visuals and performance with many games having slowdowns on Switch. Besides, I know I would use it as a home console. It has a lot of silly restrictions too, like not being able to plug in an external HDD and the way it deals with online.
As a handheld is too big and has a ridiculous battery life and as a home console is so limited. As both, it needs so many accessories.
All in all I've been a bit disappointed. After BotW, nothing has really grabbed me and BotW I could have played on my Wii U. I'm holding out for Xenoblade 2, really, though Steamworld Dig 2 coming soon will be a nice use for the system. ARMS didn't grab me, Super Bomberman R didn't, 1, 2, Switch didn't, MK8D didn't, and Splatoon 2 hasn't caught my interest like the first game did, even with the single player stuff.
I still love and play my Wii U more than my Switch.
Roll on Xenoblade!
Still waiting to see footage of Metroid Prime and the reveal of a new Pikmin or Donkey Kong. As someone who's bought quite a few games on the Wii U, the Switch still hasn't much to offer me. And I really want to like Super Mario Odyssey, but for some weird reason I just can't get excited for it... I really like the concept, but I'll wait until I'm convinced that it can replace my Wii U
@Matthew010
Yes definitely. Just initially, it was really lacking third party games. Things will be far better by the end of the year, but still I think we need more. That said, if the Switch sales continue to perform well, the third party games will come more steadily. First party games I'm not worried about.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"HANDHELD"
Well, the poll is currently showing that most people use it docked. Although it can function as a handheld, it can also be used purely as a home console. It can't be called a pure handheld because of this. Like it or not, it IS a hybrid.
@Pluto14 I think that the problem with Super Mario Odyssey could be the Sonic Adventure hub city and the gimmicky Cappy which doesn't seem to be a logical expansion of Mario's moveset like FLUDD.
@CorvoRevo I agree, not having Halo, Gears of war, Forza, Uncharted, and God of war is inexcusable. Nintendo needs Sony and Microsoft developing on the switch, pronto!
@Ooyah Yes, it is hybrid, you can use it as a handheld or home console out of the box. The price to pay is that it has limitations as both a handheld and a home console and the reality is that according to all surveys most people use it as a home console.
It's been fairly good so far, but a ton of ports and few new games outside of Nintendo's own and Rabbids, plus a distinct lack of online co-op games.
I currently own a measly 6 games, that being MK8D/Zelda/Mario + Rabbids/Fate/Extella and Disgaea 5 (Which I find myself unable to properly finish) with Xenoverse 2 and One Piece being added this month. I'm also having trouble feeling much if any excitement for Xenoblade or Odyssey.
I use my Switch as home-console, only take it out of it's dock to check how it's doing and clean the dust off of it. Very rarely do I use the Joy-Con controller setup, since there's a great pro-controller hooked up for that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you can use the switch on the go, while also play with it on your television using a traditional controller. That describes the Switch and is literally the definition of a hybrid. A system which mixes both play styles and both machines in one. I mean the Switch could be solely a console if you don't remove it from the dock.
Then whats up with all the pessimism? Virtual console has been confirmed; 3th party is starting to come but needs it time (I mean we are only 6 months in and the Wii U burned support???); expensive (that is an opinion, I mean it sells like hot cakes. I know I know not in Ireland but whatever. PLUS its a handheld and console in one?!); expensive accessories (you do get some good controller back for it); no app (it was a handheld right, not a tablet?); port are more expensive (and this is Nintendos fault how?); terrible battery life (it was a handheld right, not a console?); limited cartridge size (there is also a limit on disc though. I mean the max Wii U blue ray size was 25gb); controller issues (Every console has it problems).
And yes there are some real problems, I am not denying that. Just putting some things into perspective.
The point of this lengthy post is, you're trying way to hard to find problems. Partly because you make the Switch into something it isn't. It does not pretent to be a tablet, hence the no apps. And it doesn't pretent to be solely a handheld, thats why the battery life sucks. And last but not least, it could be way more powerfull, use disc drives and have a D pad if it was a console. But its not. Its a hybrid system. And it doesn't pretend to be something else.
@BlueOcean Hold the phone, limits as a handheld? Like what? It's currently the best handheld out there if we're going by that! If anything, it's limits as home-console, are because it can function as a handheld as well (limited power due to space, cartridges instead of CD because that's what will fit, etc)
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Totally agree.
@crimsontadpoles Nice well written comment. Change Pokémon to XC2 at the end and thats why we'll be getting one this Christmas. I may have waited until next year, but in April I bought a $350 Xbox 1 bundle for $175 with the purpose of playing it for 6 months and then trading it in for $100 towards a Switch. I would have traded it in a few weeks ago - getting less use than I thought - but I'm still hoping for a Nintendo Direct after TGS to tell us about a Switch bundle this holiday. Or a BF deal at Gamestop.
I have minor complaints, but all in all I'm rather impressed. Six months into the Wii U's life there were far fewer compelling games to play, so that's got to count for something.
@iMarkU Apps like Crunchyroll,Youtube,etc.Not the tablet ones.
@Matthew010 No, although I have played multiplayer tabletop in Overcooked, Snipperclips, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Astro Duel Deluxe when I have been away from home, and it works great (at least for 2 players). I just wanted to point out that the tabletop mode is also one part of the Switch experience.
Many people like to trade in their physical media after they finish a game. I have a ritual of eating the media itself, so as to become one with the game contained within.
While cartridges have traditionally been easier to consume than disks, the Switch carts have made this a deeply unpalatable experience due to Nintendo's choice of acrid and bitter seasoning.
0/10
More delicious media next time please Nintendo. Preferably in Tutti-Frutti.
Quite disappointed with the Switch so far. So little of the AAA content interests me. I'm playing through Breath of the Wild at the moment and while I appreciate it's a very nice game, it's not for me. I do like the Neo Geo releases and loved playing Samurai Shodown again, but I can't help thinking I'd be having more fun on a PS4 playing Gundam Vs and Monster Hunter World.
@UmniKnight Yes, it's much more limited as a home console, agreed. And it doesn't include a decent controller but the tiny joypads. Really, smaller that I thought and getting cramps when I use them. Good for you that you got the Switch pro controller.
@BlueOcean It's expensive, that's true. But it's a good controller, and I believe it's fairly sturdy, so I shouldn't need to buy a new one any-time soon. And why wouldn't one buy a pro-controller as a traditional gamer? That thing is the reason I've enjoyed many of my games.
@iMarkU AFAIK, virtual console has not been confirmed, other than some NES title for the online services.
Finally someone who speaks the truth. The switch is amazing but your points are very valid.
@Randomname19 Then I agree, I do miss stuff like Netflix. But in the end its a gaming system first and foremost. After the MESSY Wii U debacle. I understand Nintendo's approach to establish and make clear to the mass market that this system is a gaming system, and not a tablet. Marketing is a big reason why the Wii U failed.
@jariw
Its Nintendo, ofcourse they are going to try to sell the old NES and SNES games again to the customers. I just REALLY hope that I will get Gamecube this time !
@UmniKnight Yes, that's why I bought one for Wii U and most of the time that I play Wii U I use it. I even sold Rayman Legends and bought it again for Xbox One (very cheap) because it can only be played single-player on the GamePad.
@Anti-Matter
Grass
@Matthew010
It's a handheld with a HDMI lead. Good to have the option though
I absolutely love it !! My only concern is the way Nintendo manage the online/voice chat part.
@UmniKnight If you want pure co-op, look into Overcooked, Death Squared, Mario+Rabbids and perhaps even ARMS. Then there are some 2-player platformers, like Shovel Knight, etc, that could count as co-op as well.
I'd agree the selection is much wider for competitive local multiplayer games, but I think that's the way it'll always be on any platform.
Nintendo struck gold with this machine. One of the best first years I've ever seen for a console. Obviously, issues exist, but they're overshadowed by the joy of how versatile and fun the Switch is.
I swore up and down before that I wouldn't get a Switch until 2020, but I changed my tune once I saw that it's a hybrid, which is PERFECT for me.
@iMarkU Because "it's Nintendo" is not a confirmation. There are more parameters to take into account here.
@jariw Not local co-op, that doesn't work for me. I live in an old-fashioned village, and like minded individuals are few and far between here.
@GTH
Um... excuse me ?
Grass what ?
I don't understand...
I love mine! I feel satisfied with my purchase. This console has completely changed the way I game. No longer do I have to dedicate an hour or more to sitting in front of the TV.. I can play for 5 minutes or 1 hour wherever I am at. When I need to put it down I put it to sleep and do what I need to do. I split handheld and docked. My children usually watch my TV, so handheld is mostly what I use. Me and my buddies have Mario Kart tournaments at lunch break. The Switch is my go to system.
@InternetBowser Well said! +1,000,000 😉
Everybody needs a pro controller. It's a must if you play it docked all the time. Like most have said I only take it out to dust off the dusty magic dust.
I love the concept, the build is good and the unique selling point is something consumers understand. I am not blown away by the software at a personal level and I am concerned about quality of third part support. But, I have some good games and more than enough on the horizon to keep me on the console.
Keep up the great work Nintendo! Love being able to play on the go as well as at home. Bring on the next lot of amazing games! 😄
I love the Switch so far; I mostly use it docked.
Its library is limited, but my gaming habits have changed such that I want to play fewer games for longer. Zelda obviously fits that idea and so will Mario Odyssey.
So far, I've only bought Zelda, MK8DX and Sonic Mania. That will be it until Odyssey, I think!
There's also the screen scratching issue of the dock. But if you scratch away at the back, you'll find something very revealing.
Already one of my favorite consoles or handhelds ever! The concept is brilliant and the games have been fantastic. Nintendo are making all the right moves, particularly with their approach to a monthly big hitter!
I have been gaming since '82. The Switch is my favourite games machine ever made! I don't need state of the art realistic graphics to help portray a story...that's what movies are for lol! I need well thought out graphics that enhance gameplay. What's more, I am so excited to see how this concept develops. Who knows, one day we will be docking mobile phones in to our TVs to use as a home console. Then apps like Pokemon GO! would become very interesting!
@jariw true, but still I think the possibility is higher that it comes than lower looking at their old patterns. And why is SLIGEACH even complaining about it? If VC gets confirmed he is gonna moan about old ports and full price etc etc. He is only using it to complain anyway.
I sincerly hope that gamecube and n64 virtual console get confirmed though.
The system isn't perfect but I love it. I have not truly been happy with a new console since the Gamecube.
You make your own conclusion. There are a lot of ports, sure, but this is an amazing way to play them. First party Nintendo is having a great year with releases even if there are some ports on there. There's beginning to be some good variety of titles, and the indie scene is top. 3rd party needs some work with high quality games, but their starting to creep out, with the exceptional Mario + Rabbids, to a slew of sports games. I hope there will be more from the likes of Bethesda and Now Rockstar, and who knows what will be announced next?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE So as well as forgetting what a HYBRID console is, you also can't use photoshop.
@Matthew010 I didn't use Photoshop.
@crimsontadpoles yep, these are my thoughts as well.
Though I'm not 100% sold in Mario Odyssey. Currently playing Lego City that was on the Wii U also I just didn't get around to playing it. I could have kept my Wii U and just bought Lego City.
I was hoping for a new Mario Kart and a Mario 3D World 2 (or something like that).
Virtual console will come. Some sort of media player/browser may or may not come, it's not the end of the world but would be silly for Nintendo to leave it out, but it's understandable that it's not a priority. There is more that I want out of the system, but I also see it as being 30 seconds old, and don't want a repeat of poor VC content like the Wii U had, I want it done right. Better online is coming ,(how much better remains to be seen). Time will reveal all that the Switch will become, but I do feel that Nintendo needs to get a move on post holiday season.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Here you go, dude:
https://files.gamebanana.com/img/ss/sprays/58bf2985ee8e5.png
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
(Looked at Wii U logo at backside of Switch body)
LIAR...!!!
@Anti-Matter
What brought me back to Nintendo was primarily the ability to play games with my kids. Growing up being able to play games on the same couch with my friends, I really dislike the modern trend towards online-only multiplayer. I didn't really take much note of it before the kids because I was just gaming for myself. But then when they came along, I had all these games that would have been so fun to play with my kids but they were all only online. Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Mario 3D world, etc etc... there are so many games that I can play on one TV and have that experience that I did in the late 80s/ early 90s. Splatoon is the only one we can't all do on one system, but at least with the Switches we can sit around playing together in one room.
Switch is the only Nintendo console since SNES to not have its own Mario Kart game.
The Switch exasperates my wallet! (in a good way lol)
@Matthew010 Trust me its usually like a feather in the wind whether you get a response. When you've been here as long as some of us you get to know the "roles" people play here.
Some people just want to light the fuse but not stick around for the fireworks.
@invictus4000 Ok I'm saving that because its too too perfect!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
::Looks at the Wii U eshop::
I can't seem to find where Mario+Rabbids is on there. Any suggestions?
@Refurin
Aah....!
Me too. I don't like Online Multiplayer games as you mentioned either.
I think we have same similarity on some cases.
@Starbuster I played Botw and it's nice but after finishing it I wasn't fussed about it tbh.
I mainly play Neo Geo games on it.
Concerned that there are no sources oncoming AAA games that I want.
Although I seem to remember there's a Yoshi game coming out. I think that's my next cartridge I will buy.
@FX102A That guy in particular @Sligeach_eire seems to be too obsessed with posting first on every thread for as long as I've been reading Nintendo Life probably as an attempt at getting more attention than everyone else.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE What did you use then?
@invictus4000 It's perfect!
As I said before, from a pure hardware perspective, the Switch is the best game console ever made.
Consoles served a genuine purpose in the 80s, when PCs (to say nothing of game-capable PCs) were too expensive for many people. But gaming PCs have been affordable for a very long time now, and traditional consoles like the PS4 and XBox One are redundant.
The Switch, though, offers something that a PC can't. And it does what it does very well.
Now, if Nintendo would update that OS with some much-needed features, and roll out the Virtual Console, the Switch could really start making good on its promise.
I have to admit, I was pretty jaded by the time talk of the switch came around. I grew up playing Nintendo systems and really liked them, but many of nintendos choices over the years, and the fact that most of the games that I wanted to play were on other consoles, had caused me to lose interest. Step up to now, when I decided to buy a switch, it was under the thought that if this system didn't keep my interest, it would b my last Nintendo system. And admittedly, at first, it was looking that way. Despite critical acclaim, I just didn't like Zelda, or much else. Then a couple of indie games caught my interest, then a few of the consoles mainstays (namely MARIO kart and splatoon). Now, the switch has the potential to become my top system, depending on how certain situations play out. I hope it does.
The Switch is the perfect Nintendo system. It captures a niche market (plus - Console + Handheld versatility and sleep mode ... minus - not as powerful) compare to PS/XBOX (plus - super powerful ... minus - tied to TV, no sleep mode so can't stop game mid-level). The genius is that you CAN'T have both POWER + PORTABILITY - so there is room in market for both visions.
Personally, the switch is everything I want in a console because I can play Zelda on TV downstairs, and when my Wife comes home I can undock it and then play upstairs with her (either continue zelda, or go for a 2 player game on tabletop). The ability to SLEEP a game is genius for fitting it into modern adult lifestyles.
@BlueOcean SNES, GameCube, Wii, Wii U - none of those consoles had a mario kart game 6 month after system release. Only Nintendo 64 had that.
@EllenJMiller Are you sure you'll cope with buying a non-Nintendo game, like Steamworld Dig 2? I mean, if you buy games like 1-2-Switch instead of the better games available by developers not named Nintendo, it's kind of your own fault that you don't find good games to play.
@BlueOcean
Hey Blue. Yep, agreed that there is a price to pay. I was primarily just countering Slig's point of calling it a handheld only. Indeed, I used the fact that more people use it docked to that purpose.
My household loves the Switch era. We have 3 Switches, 2 copies of Zelda-one of them the deluxe edition, 3 copies mario kart, 2 copies splatoon 2, ultra street fighter II, Mario+Rabbids, Lego City Undercover,Fast RMX, I am Setsuna, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, Sonic Mania, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Metal Slug, Aerofighters 2 and Puyo Puyo Tetris. We've also acquired 2 pro controllers, a spare set of joycons, a couple charging grips, an 8bitdo30pro controller, every BoTW amiibo, 3 skins, 4 carrying cases, a console travel case, 2 racing wheels and we have plans to get 2 copies of Mario Odyssey, Metroid Prime 4, Kirby 2018, Starlink, any harvestmoonlike game, and of course a slew of VC games one day. My family loves our Switches and is optomistic about the future.
@BlueOcean
Some users said that Sligeach eire was kind of Autism people, need some Attention from people even provoking with bad attitudes.
I don't know if it was true or not.
Clearly, he is worshipping a "Dead" machine called Wii U more than any consoles , bashing Switch existence.
He just want somewhat like Wii U but with AAA 3rd party PC games, AAA Graphic fidelity, Bulky storage probably even more than 2 Terrabyte.
Just keep preaching him to embrace Nintendo Switch no matter what.
@Alikan
I'm so envy that your family members Love Switch and getting along with Switch existence.
Btw, how did you introduce your Switch to other people ? Did they got some attention or any interest ?
@Dr_Corndog Xbox One and PS4 are not redundant, a high-end PC equivalent to Xbox One X in terms of gaming performance costs a fortune. Consoles are more optimised for gaming.
@Anti-Matter I do agree with @SLIGEACH_EIRE in occasions but being always here just to post the first thing whatever the matter is equals to always be pursuing to be the first one under the spotlight.
Wii U 2
('nuff said)
I bought this console because they were hard to get. My plan was to play Zelda a little and resell it for a small profit. Because of the portability I have found it to be a life changer in regards to gaming. I love that I can play it on the go, in the subway, on breaks at work and in home in the dock. I have no plans to sell it now and am looking forward to all the games coming out soon!
Its ok, it just needs better games outside of Nintendo (just like the WiiU). Right now it just cant compete as a home console, it is a good 2nd console like a Vita or 3ds. It also needs yo deal with the game prices.
@Ooyah Yes. I was agreeing with you.
@MsgBoardGamer No, sir. Xbox One X is super-optimised and customised for gaming, just check Digital Foundry's technical reports. PCs are just not built that way! What is true is that it's currently easier to port PC games to consoles and vice versa, but that's not the point. That means that most third-party games are multiplatform games but the technical requirements of a PC will always be higher for achieving the same performance.
For me, the Switch has been part of two awesome experiences. First, Zelda. And second, easily taking the Switch with me when I was meeting my sister and her kids, and playing Overcooked and Mario Kart 8 all weekend. Going forward, I expect only more great times with the system. Inspired by NintendoLife, I'm working on building a cheap home theater for my Switch, and I'll be bringing the Switch with me on another family trip in a couple months for some more co-op cooking action (this time with a couple more Joy-con). I'm really looking forward to a lot of the games coming in the next few months, too.
I like the Nintendo Switch as a whole, but I am disappointed by the lack of Virtual Console 6 months after release. With the ability to switch between dock mode and handheld mode, there is so much potential for VC (just imagine playing your favorite N64 games on the go), but Nintendo is very slow to materialize that potential. I expected the VC to be available from day one! In a digital age, it is not too much to ask for.
I love my Switch so far! I was apprehensive when it was first revealed, but I think Nintendo has knocked it out of the park with this one. The Switch seems to be doing great sales-wise.
The only thing I still want is Virtual Console with GameCube and possibly Wii games. If they could get everything they had on the Wii U VC and just port it over, that'd would be awesome.
I think the Switch is a great system, and it's game library is pretty good so far. It already has games from my favorite series (Sonic, Splatoon, Mario Kart), and I love how there's a good variety of games. Plus, there's a lot more coming in the near future to look forward to, like Forces, Xenoblade2, and Odyssey. And to be honest, I haven't even really explored what the eShop has to offer besides Sonic Mania, since I already have so many games I'm currently playing. Still, I should probably get to that... I blame Splatoon.
@BlueOcean A GTX 1070 (or even a 1060) in pretty much any PC with a PCI-e slot will way way out perform an Xbox 1 and PS4. Even if the CPU and RAM are just average. PC gaming does not cost that much and will last much longer than a console. There is no comparing a console to PC. PC will always win.
@Anti-Matter Unless you're trained at diagnosing these sorts of things, it's rather insensitive, inappropriate and insulting to suggest that someone is autistic.
I honestly couldn't be happier with my Nintendo Switch. Zelda Breath of the Wild is my new favourite Zelda game and Splatoon 2 is an absolute joy to play. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe I do love but most of that love comes from the fact I love the original as well. Easily my least favourite game but still awesome nonetheless.
However, if there's just 1 thing I'd say that needs to be improved, it's the stock issue. Obviously this doesn't apply to me because I own 1 but I really want people to be able to get in and enjoy this fantastic console, in a way I actually feel guilty for being able to play on this system while knowing others cannot do the same due to the stock issues.
Overall, absolutely amazing experience and with Pokken Tournament DX, Fire Emblem Warriors, and Super Mario Odyssey on the way, it can only get better.
@Hawkstream You can't build a PC that has the same gaming performance as an Xbox One X using "equivalent" PC parts and if you build it with better components to match its gaming performance it will cost you thousands of euros/dollars. You can't buy its components and make your own Xbox One X either because it doesn't use out-of-the-shelf components, so my point stands whatever yout argument is. It's the most optimised console ever made according to all experts and, certainly, much more optimised for gaming than any PC.
@crimsontadpoles I agree.
It's good that Quorthon is back, albeit with a different user name
I've been really enjoying my time with the switch so far. With amazing single-player experiences like Zelda, and Super fun multiplayer games like Splatoon 2, Mario kart, and Snipperclips. I hope the Switch is supported for many years to come.
"I don't have a Switch, so stop asking me about it..."
hehe, , Yes, I don't have a Switch, but not problem for ask me several times, XD
...but, really, I want a Switch...
@crimsontadpoles true
@Anti-Matter what kind of autism
I'm enjoying the Switch. Mostly play docked, but being able to continue playing anywhere is fantastic. Already put 250 hours into Zelda (just got my 600th Koruk Seed, still looking for 4 more Shrines) - I think it would be 150 hours if it wasn't a Hybrid
@MariOnline
I heard from other users long time ago.
I didn't really remember when but I still remember one of user here is a Psychologist.
That user was talking about Sligeach eire attitudes.
Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse someone.
Upon buying switch i sold my wiiu and after a while playing breath of the wild and mario kart I miss Wii u games. I wish they released all wiiu games on switch, I don't mind re-buying my favorites.
@BlueOcean Game Boy Color and Virtual Boy were also the only two hardware since the Super NES to NEVER have their own or any Mario Kart game.
Six months in, someone in the family is playing on the Switch almost every day. As a console it's more than adequate for our needs, and it goes everywhere with us putting console experiences in a portable form. Not a single glitch or failure.
On the software side of things, we've got six or seven games that I believe we'll be playing years from now, including a few that can't be had on any other platform, much less a portable one. And more are coming by the end of the year, to say nothing of the unknown future. If Nintendo dropped support for the Switch completely after 2017, I'd still be happy with it - obviously this wouldn't be ideal, but it would be sufficient to justify buying the Switch.
Still a few areas where the experience could be improved, including VC and some UI upgrades. But those things are icing on the cake. Minus the icing, you've already got a pretty tasty cake.
Only being out for 6 months, the game library is crazy good. Provided you haven't owned any new game systems in recent years... As a Wii U and PS4 owner, most of the titles that would interest me on the Switch are games I've already played.
So far, Arms is the only game on my list towards Switch games that would convince me it's worth buying the system. Kirby and maybe Pokémon will be too, but for the foreseeable future the Switch just doesn't appeal to me.
I've been very underwhelmed by the Switch, and still prefer the Wii U. So I won't be buying one, but I'm glad most who own one are enjoying themselves.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Yes, have to agree with most stuff you listed.
@MsgBoardGamer
Gosh...
So complicated way to enjoy the games...
I prefer simple and easy, just a Handheld or Console to play.
No installing, just insert the Disc / Cart, wait for a while, Playing time.
@MsgBoardGamer Yes, with PC you can upgrade but with consoles you get better value for your money, zero compatibility issues, etc. Yes, Xbox Gold isn't free but it's the best paid online service and has deals and free games. My reaction was to the person that said "Xbox/PS are redundant" because they are not. If you are a console gamer you are likely not interested in high-end PCs and vice versa, they are very different proposals for different kind of people.
@retro_player_22 Wait, Virtual Boy wasn't even released in the continent I live in. Game Boy Color was an upgrade of a 1989 handheld.
EDIT: Anyway, YOU are right.
Still waiting to see how the VC, online, and next year's support pans out before dropping $400+ on a new system. Right now between PC, PS4, and XB1 I have more than enough to choose from, and I honestly would never use it off the dock, all my gaming is done either on the couch or in the office chair, including my 3DS and Vita.
You will never please everyone, such is life, although I do notice that some people are still suffering from ring sting when it comes to Switch's somewhat awesome form factor. I politely suggest that those who want all-out power bite the bullet and go elsewhere, whereas I would recommend the detractors who seem to thrive on going over-the-top with thier complaints take a running jump.
Me? Well, I've just come back from Florence and guess what? I took my console with me, in my hand luggage no less.
Switch - for me at least - is genius, and one of Nintendo's best consoles to date.
Bravo, Nintendo..... Bravo.
@MsgBoardGamer Micro$oft? They have improved so much towards users: cross-play including Switch and PC, cross-buy, free backwards compatibility, sign-in and play your collection, etc. They are the most costumer-friendly company at the moment, their future is more than guaranteed. Is Sony ($ony) who is becoming greedier this gen and they don't want cross-play with the others. Nintendo? Well, they are just being... Nintendo.
As things stand right now, this very moment, I'm just a little disappointed. I know that there is some great stuff coming in the future, Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2 are going to be amazing, but for the time being, Nintendo has given me little reason to turn my Switch on every day. In fact, I really only turn it on maybe once a week to play Mario Kart while having a few drinks. For my purposes, the Switch lacks that killer app that would keep me coming back. 3DS is still my primary console and it looks like it will be that way until the Switch gets Pokémon, Animal Crossing, and perhaps a Virtual Console service, though I'm not holding my breath on that last one.
I was more excited at this six month time frame with my Wii U. Far better line up of big games compared to a lot of indies. We all know how that went. There would never be another season of games like the Wii U launch. Only game that has really made the Switch superior to the Wii U is Zelda and the fact that the Switch can be taken in the road or played on the tv.
I love how focused and simplistic the Switch is. There's no extra fluff that seems to be so common on today's consoles, the OS is quick, and the system just focuses on games like it should. If I need to browse the web or stream something, I have a phone and a computer that can do that easily. It's absolutely delightful how quickly the majority of the games I have boot up and load. I even had a system update just now that literally took about 7 seconds. If I had one complaint, I think they need to add themes like the 3DS has.
I've put 350+ hours into BOTW, spanning both regular and Master modes. I also have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, FAST RMX, Snake Pass, Sonic Mania, Blaster Master Zero, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, and Azure Striker Gunvolt Striker Pack. I love all of them, and I'm looking forward to Mario Odyssey, Axiom Verge, and especially Metroid Prime 4. The Switch looks set to be one of my favorite Nintendo products and might just supplant the 3DS as my favorite Nintendo handheld.
Love it! Amazing handheld and works great when docked also.
Coming from being so disappointed with the Wii U, Nintendo have turned it around massively.
It's a great arcade machine, thank HAMSTER, Namco, and ZeroDiv! Great for old fogeys like me who spent more game time in the 80's and 90's playing at the arcade than with my home consoles and computer.
Speaking of NEOGEO, it would cost hundreds to thousands of dollars more to invest in a home system, modded home system, MVS, plus games, and maybe a scaler like a Framemeister, to duplicate the experience you can get with a Switch and a modern LED TV/computer monitor. Authenticies be damned, the emulation is great as-is, and you can take it to work/college and play a few games during breaks.
Of course, a lot of the new stuff is good, too. But you've already read that from others in this thread.
I can't give it top marks because there's no NSMB or it's equivalent yet. 2D Mario has completed their handhelds for me since SML in '89
Bought the Switch day 1 & haven't regretted it. Botw & Mk8 were great the first few months. Arms was fun & my nephews loved it table top mode while we vacationed. Mario + Rabbids has been a surprise hit. Steamworld dig 2 in a couple weeks. Fire Emblem & Mario Odyssey next month. This winter I'll be indoors finishing them all. Great year for Nintendo!
As for the games, I'm still waiting for Virtual Console, and as for the system, I'm still waiting for an Internet browser, YouTube, real voice chat or some way to message our friends, & Netflix. Other than that, the games so far are very solid & the system itself is good.
The game lineup is not stellar and the lack of Bluetooth head set support when docked is baffling. In all seriousness for people who owned Wii U there isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch yet. Mario Odyssey does look great though.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Out of curiosity, do you own one?
@BlueOcean
I didn‘t realize the Switch‘s lifetime is already over?
@InternetBowser Splatoon 2 destroyed my faith in Nintendo. No local MP..pathetic.
@Anti-Matter ...
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@MrBlacky What do you mean?? Mario Kart?? So you are suggesting that it will get a new Mario Kart game after 8DX port? Hopefully!
To me the line up will start to get strong from now on with the arrive of FE Warriors, Mario, Xeno and nights of azure (something like that), and next year with metroid, fire emblem etc etc.
But the best aspect is the foundation, the Switch itself is an amazing console, which will be the base to many many great games.
@CorvoRevo lol
I like the concept of the Switch but I don't expect to get one for at least another year. The only games that appeal to me that are currently out are ones I've got on wii u.
And zero backwards compatibility is a big drawback for me. I'm very disappointed that it's not compatible with any older controllers. I feel Nintendo has become much less consumer friendly in the Switch generation. I don't really like the joycons, so it would've been nice if it were at least compatible with the wii u pro controller.
Right now for the cost, the switch is just not worth it to me. I'm not going to spend around $700 (CAN) just to play Mario Kart 8 and Breath of the Wild on the go.
But I'm glad it's doing well and those that have it are enjoying it.
Not even a year and this is shaping up to be the greatest Nintendo hardware in history. The console is so amazingly versatile and the lineup is shaping up to be the best Nintendo's ever offered. I mean, we've already got a groundbreaking open world 3D Zelda, a fresh and original sandbox Mario game, a sequel to the greatest new IP Nintendo's created in years, and Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon on the way. This is such a killer lineup that I don't even know what else I want on it.
Now that's not to say there's not improvements to be made, VC needs to get here yesterday, and in general they need to offer more in the way of online and apps, but in general this is the greatest thing I've ever seen Nintendo create.
@tedko My thoughts exactly the entirety of your comment.
Eh, all systems start off slow...I think the thing was overhyped, and of course Nintendo decides to gives us stock issues YET AGAIN. But I eventually nabbed the thing, and even though it doesn't have many games for me...it still gets Monster Hunter. Reading isn't all that important for those games, and the Switch is region free so I still have a MH game that'll keep me busy for a while. (until World shows up)
It was the same case with the Wii U, crappy start, but it got MH3U so I was good for a while. Only difference is that XX is Japanese only right now. xD
@CorvoRevo sounds like you got the wrong console. For casual gaming, swearing and tracksuit wearing you need an Xbox!
@BlueOcean Yeah, I see there's a few of us in the same boat.
I'm intrigued by Mario+Rabbids and Mario Odyssey but they aren't system sellers for me. I may pick them up somewhere down the road.
@Joeynator3000 Monster Hunter was going to be my reason to get a Switch. I, like so many, just assumed the next main MH game would be coming to Switch, before MH World was announced.
It's cool that switch is region free but playing MHXX in Japanese just isn't enough for me to justify the expense of a Switch at this point.
How are you liking XX?
@tedko I'm learning Japanese characters....well, recognizing some of them anyways. xD
But yeah menus can be confusing at first but you get used them in a day or so.
Me too, but also interested in a possible hardware revision to fix some issues.
The lack of compatibility with Wii U pro controller is silly (greedy) and of course no cross-buy not even for Breath of the Wild which was a dual-launch. It's like they are selling the same things again: games, controllers, etc. Fine for those who don't have a Wii U but not a nice attitude towards their most loyal fans. I don't like the joycons either, they're tiny and don't even have a D-pad.
@CorvoRevo
Hey, watch your attitude !
@Joeynator3000 But it really sucks to have to deal with Japanese if you don't understand it. I know you're fine with it and it's the only way but that's a bummer. I find MH menus to be quite complex. I expect Capcom to localise the game but that won't happen until 2018.
@BlueOcean I'm thinking the same, but no one believes me...they're waiting till next year so Switch owners won't feel left out once World releases on every other system. But yeah menus don't bother me much, the games are all about the gameplay anyway. xp
@Joeynator3000 @BlueOcean I think I could maybe manage with the Japanese text, but the biggest drawback for me would be no save transfer from Gen. I just can't see myself redoing all those early quests.
I'm also cautiously optimistic about a localization of XX sometime next year.
@tedko Eh, I'm going as Prowler, so I'm going through everything somewhat quickly. xD
The switch being portable and a console is what I wanted out of the wii-u, but now it's been perfected. The library has been great so far and is so promising in the future, heck even now i have some games waiting in my wishlist i want to play.
I have a 1 1/2 month old baby and i can tell you SWITCH has been a blessing, being able to play anywhere in the house that I may have to be at the time with him. I can only play my ps4 mostly when the wife is watching him. Switch has been 10/10 for me so far, and fire emblem warriors and the main game are going to be amazing!
@BlueOcean
I can read Hiragana and Katakana words.
They are quite easy for me.
But Kanji words are the Difficult one.
You must memorized two kinds of Spelling: Kunyomi (Japanese spelling) & Onyomi (Chinese spelling).
Since I live in Indonesia, part of Asia with Chinese influence, I got benefit from my childhood Chinese lesson when I was kid.
But unfortunately I have less interest with Chinese words now, instead I have more interest with Japanese words.
I'll only buy one when the console gets more games like MARIO and Zelda (oddysee looks cool) and the virtual console becomes a thing.
@tedko I'm not totally sure either but Capcom is usually the third-party with the most ports and re-releases. So there's no cross-save between different regions on Switch?
@BlueOcean You should learn a bit about PC gaming.
Loving it, aside from a few minor gripes. Not being able to message friends, folders, lack of apps, and no VC. Other than that, this is probably the most fun I've had with a system in a while. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, its first year is leagues better than Wii U's. I didn't get either 360 or Xbox One in their first years (I can wait on consoles that I get for third-party games) so I can't compare those two based on firsthand experience, but from the outside looking in, the latter was pretty bad in year one.
Can't really ask for much more, especially since the lineup is filling out quite nicely for a first year console.
@tedko
If you get the game, there's a few of us playing. I converted my Generations save to MHX, imported into MHXX then used the save transfer app to shoot my save over to Switch. And now I can transfer back and forth (which is useful since 3DS version has an English patch).
The game is incredible though. I forget I'm even playing a JP game half the time, it's just so easy. Within 72 hrs I learned how to do everything- set up lobbies, search friends online for hubs, Meownster Hunters, farm items, edit Guild Card, store item and equipment sets for easy swapping between quests, figured out all kinds of workarounds like having both hot/cold drinks in each item set, then sending back what I don't need with the cat at the base, but now I noticed there's art on background of quest which shows you the environment you'll be in... learned all the colors for types of hunts... learned by muscle memory how to find gestures, made dozens of English preset chat messages...
We hunt every single evening. And I've posted tons of pics of menus with English for guides... This was my first time importing and holy cow, it couldn't have been easier. I can't believe I almost skipped this game because of the language barrier at one point. Now I realize there is no barrier. Just a 3 day learning curve
@Octorok385
Come talk MHXX with us and/or hunt with us in the forum... there's a handful of us that imported. And more people I'm running into every day on this site that have the game.
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-switch/monster_hunter_xx_for_nintendo_switch?start=860#reply-867
The Switch is great. It has its flaws, but it was well worth the money. Glad to be the owner of a Nintendo console again, after skipping the Wii U.
I don't believe 95% of the users on this site own a Switch
@BlueOcean As far as I know MH doesn't support save transfers between versions from different regions.
Hmm...let's see, bad erconomics of handheld mode and joycons, barebone software, expensive accessories and so on. Other than that, I think it's great, and in the future when these problems will get fixes, it will become great for real.
@JaxonH I must admit it is tempting.
Transferring the save that way requires owning a modded 3DS and the Japanese MHX right?
I'm a little depressed by the Switch. I got one for my birthday in March, but so far I haven't had any good experiences with it. Nothing. I've been using it just to make myself like it more, but it really isn't working. I hate the white depressing background and the lack of apps.
I've been playing Miitopia on my New 3DS XL lately and I am sad to say this, but the Switch does not measure up.
I'm a lonely kind of girl, without friends, and I have a very lacking imagination. The 3DS cheers me right up with nice music and rotating backgrounds and Miitopia does not require a large amount of imagination to be enjoyable. It's easily the best game I've played in a long time. It brings a smile to my face. No Switch game has done that yet.
@tedko
Yes you need custom firmware, but you actually don't need MHX (the tool converts your save to MHX for you), you just need a copy of MHXX to import that MHX save file into. There s an English patch for it too which makes having it especially valuable for reference, particularly when you can use the official transfer app to send your save back and forth between versions (play til G rank, oh need to craft? send save over to English 3DS version, check what you need and where to get it, then resume playing on Switch).
But some people just started a new save file. Personally I think it's worth modding the 3DS for. I had 400 hrs into Gen, so it was nice starting out in high rank. But I was prepared to start new from scratch if needed. There are a couple people hunting low rank, and couple in high rank, so either way there's people here to hunt with
Its alright for now, I'm sure it will get better soon.
@BlueOcean I don't want to be harsh, but PC is much better and much cheaper especially in the long run with lower price games, FREE online, mods, backward compatibility,upgrade-ability. Switch and PC are the perfect combination imho. I own PC/PS4/Switch/3DS and was an owner of Xbone but will no longer support MS.
Mario+Rabbids alone would justify me buying a Switch! one of the best games I've ever played, this gen or any previous gen!
I'm enjoying my Switch way more than I was expecting to. I think the Switch has found a very special niche in the game market, and is doing a great job at releasing a steady stream of games without feeling oversaturated with Mario fatigue.
The only downside I see long term is when the "PS5/X-Box2" generation starts revving up. Currently the Switch is behind in raw power, but can keep up with some of the newer releases. But in about 3 more years, I doubt it will be unable to play any of the AAA games available.
Now, if the VR game market takes off (huge IF, there) then I can see the Switch coming out with a Pro/Plus/XL version with a higher screen resolution that can be popped into a VR headset. The HD rumble in the joycons is perfect for this type of integration. But I imagine that's about as much of an upgrade as we're going to get until the next generation.
@Octane I do!
Love the console, but the lack of (English) Monster Hunter is really depressing.
(I love the MHXX demo, but I'm not going to buy the full Japanese game.)
I play 100% portable unless playing multiplayer. I love the versatile design of the Switch. That said, I am quickly growing bored. There isn't a lot on the eShop that interests me (and a lot of it is very expensive) and I've already played to death every retail game I wanted to play so far. VC support would help fill in the gaps a little. I'm just patiently waiting for Mario Odyssey at this point. Not really much of interest announced after that aside from Pokemon and Metroid.
My wallet is gonna die as soon as this thing is on my hands. So many games from the first year alone....
I want a Switch, but I feel like the only games I'd want for it now are games I already own in some capacity (Zelda, Mario Kart 8, Skyrim, Shovel Knight, et cetera). Waiting to see how Odyssey and the paid Nintendo online service does.
I'm enjoying my Switch a lot and have a long list of games I'm planning to buy for it - a list that is longer than my entire library of Wii U games.
Even though I've really liked this console right from the start when I got it at launch as my Zelda-machiene, it was actually at Gamescom this year, where it really shined. You see, I get to work by bike and usually don't have that many opportunities to use handheld mode. If you've ever been at Gamescom you know you'll be doing one thing much more than anything else: waiting in line. So far my 3DS kept me entertained and as much as I love that thing, I have to admit: nothing beats waiting in line for Super Mario Odyssey for 3 hours while playing Spatoon 2 - a game people are waiting in line for right next to you for to 2 hours.
Even though I always had my 3DS with me at Gamescom, I have to admit with my Switch I've never been bothered less by hours of waiting in line. I also have to admit some people waiting in line with me somewhere not-Nintendo (NiNoKuni 2 for example - great game, btw) were incredibly curious about my Switch and were watching me play the entire time. xD
I know I'll never be using handheld mode that much, but I also know I'll deeply appreciate it when I do. With my 3DS in toe I have access to my entire catalouge of games on the go, which is amazing.
@BlueOcean Huh?? Read this - http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-how-microsofts-xbox-one-x-compares-to-a-pc/
The Xbox One X GPU is not even as good as a $260 GTX 1060. Its equal to a Radeon 580 which is a pretty lame GPU - https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
Where on earth did you get the idea that it was something really powerful??!
I really didn't love Breath of the Wild, and Zelda is a system seller for me. However, the fact that I still love the Switch itself speaks volumes for the hardware. So many good games on the horizon, too, so I'm very excited for the future.
The one thing holding it back for me is the lack of Virtual Console. The Wii U had the best VC so far (especially with GBA games), so it would be heartbreaking if the Switch didn't match the VC of it's predecessor.
It's a very strong start, but if the Virtual Console issue was sorted it would be so much more. GBA, SNES, N64 (and hopefully GC) all on one portable/handheld hybrid sounds like a dream to me.
@Anti-Matter
Please don't talk about autism when you clearly have no concept what the condition is.
@BlueOcean
"the reality is that according to all surveys most people use it as a home console."
Not true. Link to a survey that isn't the one you misinterpreted the other day please.
I think everyone that owns it seems to adore it. I'm still not 100% sold because of a few niggles and worries here and there, but I can see why people have a lot of love for it.
I know this is going off topic but when I see people like BlueOcean say things like it "cost you thousands of euros/dollars" to build a PC better than an Xbox One X it really bothers me. And honestly I blame Apple for giving kids such uniformed impressions of modern electronics. They are the ones that started making laptops, phones, and tablets where you couldn't even remove the battery or add a SD card. This makes people think there is some kind of magic going on inside and its unthinkable to ever open or alter it. This is the only explanation I can think of as to why kids don't understand how easy and cheap it is to build or upgrade a PC with a good video card that will far outperform a "secret, unopenable box running magic inside" ...console. (sadly rolls eyes).
It's been great for Nintendo. It's just not for me. I'm actually considering trading in my XB1 for a 1X soon. I'm a sucker for specs and have a 4K tv.
@CorvoRevo I can't tell if you realize that halo and call of duty aren't Nintendo. I honestly think that is common sense.
I agree with you on the screen though. Cracks too easily
@gatorboi352
Then why are you here ?
For mocking other people ??
@Hawkstream
Just don't overthinking.
Why should I throw some Hundred Dollars or Euros just only for Graphic fidelity ?
No thanks. I would rather choose a Handheld or a Console.
Simple and easy.
@CorvoRevo Underpowered? That must be a joke, because the Switch is actually quite powerful for its time. No games? Clearly you think the only games in existence are Call of Duty and Halo, because you forgot that BotW and Mario Odyssey exists. Call of Duty might eventually get a game on the switch, because it had games on Nintendo consoles since the GameCube. Halo is an XBOX EXCLUSIVE, of course it's not going to be on the switch. Joycons are too small? They feel great in my hands, idk what you're talking about. You can play your games in different ways, like a pro controller of the controller that already comes with the damn system. If the dock is scratching your switch, you can just get a screen protector for 5 dollars at 5 below. Yeah sure it's the worst console ever, you clearly never heard of the CDi.
@Zelda_Geek
Pardon of this hubbub.
Clearly he was a Blind fanboys with very arrogant attitudes. He thought Nintendo must have exactly same games as he desired.
Just ignore him.
Loving the fact that if you don't have a Switch you have to vote that and don't get an opinion on it. Oh the shade of it all!
@Anti-Matter That's fine. I love my consoles too. But I also love my PC with GTX 1070. My problem is people who have to chose one and bash the other and even worse than that is people with a total lack of understanding of PCs all together!
@Hawkstream
Hahahaha...
So, that was the debate about.
I see...
I think the games and the system itself are really good. The OS needs some major work and the lack of any information on the virtual console is absolutely insane and infuriating.
I adore the Switch so far. I can't wait for it's library to be more fleshed out.
(Disclaimer-all personal opinion)
Very impressed with the Switch. After the awful Wii U and underwhelming 3DS I was nearly done with Nintendo. I didn't think they'd come out with well-designed, quality hardware that fulfils its clear purpose very well and doesn't rely on 'innovation for innovations sake' to distinguish itself.
I also didn't expect them to grasp the need to launch well especially in terms of their first party software but they've kept up a well-paced stream of releases. Because of that sales continue to grow and third-party support will do the same.
I can sum up Switch with two simple statements. The software is good enough that I own 23 games. It's versatility means I use it more than my PS4 Pro and Xbox 1S. So far so good.
@MsgBoardGamer Not from Microsoft but from extremely reliable sources like Digital Foundry and from third-party developers that have explained how much they can bump up the resolution and performance of the games compared to a PC with equivalent specs, just Google all that. People here just don't care enough to read that but on most multiplatform sites they do and know all this. I've never said anything negative about PCs, in between, and I won't go into a loop repeating myself either since it's not the topic.
The split for how people use their switch is very interesting.
Currently:
32% docked
32% undocked
28% split between the two
Thise figures suggest it really is being viewed by the masses as true hybrid console. In the sense that the split in how people choose to use it is almost dead even.
I love my Switch, and it is has quickly become my favorite Nintendo console since the N64, if not the SNES and has also changed the way I play video games. I never thought I would be able to play a game as sprawling and complex as BOTW or Mario Odyssey on the go and am still amazed by that. The first-party lineup is killer, and it seems that a lot of third-party developers are starting to get on board. The only glaring issue for me is the lack of a Virtual Console (especially in light of the NES/SNES Classics debacles), and once that is inevitably added, my Switch will never leave my hands.
I think Nintendo has overall the strongest library of games out of the gate on the Switch in comparrison to Xbox One and PS4 for first party. Even though some of those titles on Switch were intentiinally held for the Switch like Zelda and probably Splatoon 2/Mario.
@gatorboi352 Then why not just go with a gaming PC? Sure it would be more expensive, but matching X1X specs wouldn't cost that much more, you could surpass them easily if you chose, and you could just upgrade a component or two in a year or two to keep pace with the tech rather than trading in a console. Besides, Sony and Microsoft have spent the last three E3s highlighting how PC-like their consoles are; I see no reason to settle for that when an actual PC is an option.
this month dragon ball xenoverse 2 coming for switch and next month mario odyssey,nights of azure 2,fire emblem warriors,and NBA2k18.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I agree with your assessment of the Switch so far. I want to play Odyssey when it releases but I'm not buying a Switch unless they redesign the controls/tablet etc. Maybe by the time Prime 4 releases I'll be sold on one but improvements need to be made.
@tedko Same here. It is definitely a cool console to have, but not one to pay for.
My goal is to buy one during Black Friday or at X-mas, since online stock is mostly non existent.
Not bad at all for the first six months. Anyone who buys a Switch today is in great shape as there's plenty of great games to play!! The way things are going, another six months from now should reveal plenty more surprises!! For me only one key thing is still missing.....VIRTUAL CONSOLE!!!!!
I don't have a switch yet. But I'm sure I'll love it. Right now I can't justify the price for it. I only got my Wii U beginning 2016 and I still have many games to play on it. I'm having fun getting more games for my Wii U at around 20eur or less each. And I remember that I got my Wii U with the splatoon and mk8 bundle for around 250eur. The switch is 330eur WITHOUT any game, and each new game for the switch is around 50/60 eur. Too pricey for me. I should only buy one in 2018 or 2019, although I would love to play splatoon 2 now.
The Wii U is lovely and many friends that I know often ask more about it once they try it, as they are amazed with the "dual screen" functionality of it. They don't believe that is an "old system". The wii u graphics look great on my 4K tv. Many different games to play and so little time. I honestly feel if Nintendo showcased better the Wii U games, more people would had bought it.
I predict the switch will outsell the Wii and yes, the ps2
I'm so close to getting my hands on the Switch.
I feel like the selection of games on offer and on the horizon is already very strong, at least to my tastes. (of course I do hope to see more 3rd party support come 2018)
If it weren't for PC gaming (on a mere GTX 760 but still going strong at 60fps minimum), I'd just be spending way more time on the few Switch games I have, and maybe even buying a few more. Yeah, I'm happy with Switch despite its lack of a proper D-pad and BORING home menu.
(By the way, whose idea was it for the menu's game titles to have "The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the" when there's still more than enough room on the screen for "Wild"?)
@maceng yeah, it's just more than I'm willing to pay for what it currently has to offer. I'm waiting for an improved edition with a lower price and/or bundle.
@DinSquid I've always loved the wii u and still use it regularly. I never understood the hate that it got. I've still got a backlog on it to play through, and it can't be beat for local multiplayer. MK8 and Smash is the perfect game night combo.
There are obviously a ton of flaws regarding the Switch if you were to list them out, and I hope Nintendo fixes/tries to fix those issues as time progresses. Generally speaking, for me, I have had a fun time with the system.
Can't wait to see what the future holds.
@tedko I think that the price is correct (specially f it makes me ditch my 3DS), but, yes, controllers (I always buy a pro controller: big hands) are way too expensive. Last Thursday I went on a shopping spree and bought 3 PS4 controllers for less than 100 dollars, plus 50 dollars worth of PC (Steam) games. Read: 7 games!
I'm too hoping for a decent bundle on Black Friday.
There are several games I enjoy on the Switch, though I'm hearing that many of them debuted on Playstation or Ouya already. The games unique to Switch haven't drawn me in just yet (It's rare that I enjoy a Zelda game, and BOTW is no exception. I l ike linear games.) I don't see Stupid Mario Hat: Mind over Mutant winning me over, either. I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 this year, though.
The hybrid nature of the console doesn't do it for me. The Switch feels barren in features compared to both the Wii U and 3DS. Wake me up when it starts having themes, the Badge Arcade, or Miis running around holding up game titles. The interface is boring. I have to see is thing every time I boot it up, so make it less dull.
Despite my complaints, the Switch is still a good handheld and passable console. I tend to see it as a handheld clumsily trying to be a console so Nintendo doesn't have to admit that they're leaning on their portable market to prop their console market back up.
"Why are your home consoles so behind the times, Nintendo?"
"Well, that depends. What is a home console? Have we ever defined what a home console is? Maybe our awesome portables are actually home consoles. From that perspective, we do very well."
@tedko here the Nintendoland mini games are always popular for kids of all ages. Mk8 had its time too.
This has definitely been my favourite console launch. Never had as much discussions with friends about any other console. Even seeing people's reaction to it is great.
If you're reviewing a console you should be doing it as a standalone review. The fact that Nintendo's previous console left you feeling "burned" or abandoned shouldn't affect a review on this new console. Especially if you don't own said console.
Yes it has issues but that hasn't affected my enjoyment of all the great games I'm currently enjoying on it.
@Giygas_95 Don't miss Mario+Rabbids. It's a really excellent game!
@jariw I thought some about it, but I don't think it's my type of game. Plus with Samus Returns coming in less than a week, and with school to worry about, I don't think I could fit it in at the moment.
I don't have a Switch yet, but its had an awesome first six months. Lack of virtual console kinda stinks, but for me, that's not such an issue since for the most part, the VC is covered well between the Wii, Wii U and 3DS.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
I completely agree. In short words... the Switch is overhyped. Maybe the hype will be justified a year from now, but I seriously doubt it. A couple of good games coming up, but right now the Wii U offers about the same.
For me since Zelda which was awesome, its been buyers remorse. I actually just listed my Switch with 3 games on Ebay for 380.00 if anyone is interested. The current gaming line up and the next year are not my cup of tea. My last home console purchase for this old man system includes- Zelda, MarioKart and Cave Story. If there is a way to keep the 5 Eshop games on it I will try and leave those on it too.
******system has been sold****** well gang the significance of it all is that I wont ever be buying another home console in my life. Im a 52 year old man who still loves gaming. But the 3ds is my favorite system of all time and I have a huge backlog for it and my Wii, and PS2. I will just play what I have. I was quite frustrated with the Switch. The current content was not to my liking except for Zelda Breath of the Wild. Future content was nothing to write home about. So with the Switch , I just give up. Happy gaming to everyone whatever your system of choice is, and for me............Goodbye Switch.
Question: to be nice should I keep my Mii on the system with the 5 games I downloaded for an added surprise to the lady who bought my system? I have already put a password on my Mii to login to the Eshop. But I would hate to see games like Tomiko, MineCraft, Oceanhorne, Implosion and WonderBoy float out into space and become nothing. What do you think? Can it be done?
I have been very satisfied with my Switch so far and I'm happy I bought one early its lifecycle. It works well, the games look great and the library is expanding weekly! It will be an enjoyable half decade with this system. My chief complaint is the internet card. I sit 5-6 feet away from my router and I can't get more than one bar on most days. It drops consistently during online matches, too. It's a fun console and it has so much more potential. 3rd party support is starting to increase and they haven't introduced the VC yet, either. I'm a happy customer.
I enjoy my Switch for the most part, had it for a little over a month now & my favourite game is easily Mario + Rabbids (also have Zelda & Sonic Mania). I work a few overnight shifts, with a fair bit of downtime so its gets a little use as a handheld. But man that battery sucks ass, although I did manage to finish Zelda at work the other night with only a sliver of battery left!
So not too bad so far I'd say, still needs a game like Pilotwings or Waverace though.
I like the Switch and really like the joycons but despite that I couldn't justify buying one in the first 6 months. I bought a Wii and a Wii U at launch but couldn't find a reason to buy the Switch as there simply are no games that really make it worth buying. Everything good I already have on either the Wii U or another system and the lack of a VC or any media functions means that I wouldn't be retiring the Wii U or 3DS any time soon. It's quite possibly the worst Nintendo system that I've seen in terms of features, yet lacking features hasn't troubled the PS4/XBO and doesn't seem to be troubling the Switch either. Who would have known that omitting features was the way to go.
I will finally be picking up a Switch at the end of the month (if I can find one) for Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2. Further into the future there's Metroid and Fire Emblem; so I'm guaranteed there will be must have games, but it doesn't look like it'll overtake the Wii U (with the Wii and huge VC library included) as my favorite Nintendo system for a long time yet.
Zelda, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Mario Kart 9 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, Arms, and Sonic Mania have kept me busy. Recently I also bought Street Fighter 2 Ultra: The Final Challengers, and it was a fun game to play on the plane-ride to Japan.
Those, and tons and tons of great Indie titles. The console is really supported on the Nindie front. But really I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and whatever games lie beyond.
I love beyond question and Nintendo's games are awesome as always, BUT it's still lacking serious third party support and because of that the game lineup beyond Nintendo's own games and indies is quite lacking.
That's my only complaint so far. But I'm confident that third party support will only grow next year and beyond.
@Morph I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis! The Switch truly is a hybrid, and is used as one. This is a nice statistic against the "it's just a portable with a TV out" concern (which implies that Switch users use it primarily as a handheld and just occasionally attach it to the dock.)
The design really is amazing. Very easy to understand concept, and intuitive to use.
I hope this console gets a Monster Hunter title soon!
Amazing hardware with a terrible software lineup. It's been gathering dust since I bought it at launch.
I occasionally pull it out for some MK8, and when I am waiting at the Doctor's office I might play a few mins of an indie title, but that's about it. I love the hardware, but I am truly disappointed in the software.
I don't have a Switch yet, maybe I'll buy one next year. But only to keep up with the good Nintendo games (Mario+Rabbids, Mario odyssey, Metroid, etc).
But to say I feel the slightest piece of excitement: NO!!
In my opinion the Switch is wrong in all aspects. No proper third-party support (only a overkill of downloads), underpowered, overpriced, save-files stored on the device instead of the cards, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Its Nintendo at its worsed, money-grabbing gone extreme. What else would you expect from a old banker (Kimishima is a banker)? He not even shows himself to the public, not like mister Iwata anyway (not that his reign was perfect, but Kimishima seems faaaar worse).
I really don't see why people flock enmasse to the shops for this. Is it because the short supplies? Is it because the awful millenials-commercials? I feel that if they used those terrible commercials for the Wii u, the Wii u would have sold just as much. Maybe even more. But yeah, that's in hindsight.
@Nolan420 I'm European and personally not too interested in those. The games I'm hyped for are Super Mario Odyssey, Yoshi, Pokemon and Animal Crossing IF NINTENDO EVER ANNOUNCE IT!!!
I don't think I've ever bought so many games in such a short time. I was looking over my preorders the other day and realized I have 8 more still coming this year, and two of those are huge RPGs. Mario + Rabbids and Splatoon 2 are keeping me busy until Axiom Verge and Mario Odyssey hit next month.
@BlueOcean #121 he is the comment section camper...
I have to agree 100% with @SLIGEACH_EIRE on his comments on the Switch. I'm a long time Nintendo fan and have owned every Nintendo home console since the NES, but, right now I've just not seen enough to tempt me to buy a Switch, I also think the price of Switch games and controller's etc. are totally ridiculous and a real rip off.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE is correct IMO that if you own a Wii U then you've more or less played/owned everything released on the Switch so far....
I truly hope Mario Odyssey does really well and I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out, but, apart from that "1" single game I can't think of any other reason you need a Switch if you already own a Wii U.
There's so many games Nintendo could release, how about a brand new "Mario Golf" or "Luigi's Mansion 3" or a brand new "Diddy Kong Racing" etc. built from the ground up for the Switch or Bayonetta 3 etc. these sort of titles would make me think again, but, as yet no sign of any of them coming out anytime soon if at all.
@maruse This month there are LEGO Worlds, Rayman: Definitive Edition, NBA2K18, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, The Lego Ninjago Movie Video Game, FIFA 18, One Piece: Unlimited World Red releasing, in addition to the nindies. I think that's pretty good 3rd party support for a Nintendo console. Of course it can be better, specially regarding Japanese 3rd party and some genres of the western AAA output.
Many disagreements on here relating to " yes it is no it isn't a home console ". Well if this switch is a home console then it's a very poor effort from nintendo, i haven't seen anything on it that the wii u can't do, this is a 2nd attempt at this generation with mediocre specs for a home console. Now if it's a handheld with TV out, then this has potential to be a great mobile device, though it has a long way to go to sort it's problems out. This is the first time i haven't bought Nintendo hardware at launch and certainly won't be buying this in the foreseeable future, probably never, i have played on a friends machine before he sold it, it didn't do anything for me, shame really cause i have supported Nintendo since NES days but alas i have decided to move on from them, their games don't interest me anymore apart from a handful that i can live without, my gaming tastes have changed for the better, no more cute and colourful games for me. I will come back if Nintendo decide to make mature games aswell as their normal stuff
What is also amazing is how the polls never seem to reflect the comment sections. Hmmm...
@CliffordB You're factually incorrect. If you're a Wii U user, you have currently not played 71 games (if I did my counting correctly) that are currently available on the Switch. Most people don't want to play every of those titles obviously, but also keep in mind that the shovelware ratio on the Switch is MUCH lower than on the Wii U.
@Iggy-Koopa "I politely suggest that those who want all-out power bite the bullet and go elsewhere, whereas I would recommend the detractors who seem to thrive on going over-the-top with their complaints take a running jump."
Yep it's not exactly rocket science...If machine A doesn't offer what you want but machine B does, shut up and get machine B. Either that or zip it until machine C comes along.
I only come on here to laugh at the trolling comments @SLIGEACH_EIRE makes about the switch.
^^^ Do you see the irony of your trolling comment? I've commented on the story and made valid points about the Switch, you're just being a troll, flaming and have made no worthwhile contribution(like many others here). Find that bridge and get back under it.
I have no regrets about buying it from day 1 I have bought 3 physical games and the rest on eshop there are a lot of games I'm looking forward to as well
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The battery life is not an issue at all. I have never once drained the battery on mine and I play it handheld 50% of the time. If you're playing games for 4-6 hours in one sitting, that's the issue not the battery.
I agree that a lot of the big games are ports but you have to understand that nearly nobody (except you and I and a few others on here) bought a WiiU, so the ports are brand new games to the average person. I think it's the best hardware they've ever created (owned every single one bar Virtual Boy)
To call it underpowered is nonsense. It's the most accomplished handheld ever made AND it docks to your TV in 5 seconds. A little perspective please.
@The_Mysteron As a handheld the Switch is a giant leap from the 3DS, but as a console it's not much better than the Wii U and in many respects it's worse.
Makes me laugh to see how people remember Iwata-era Nintendo A company heading for the buffers defined by unfocused messy underpowered gimmicky hardware, arrogance about potential sales, hopeless launches, software droughts, cluelessness about Online gaming (not necessarily fixed but started by Iwata), anti-consumer Online account systems, region-locked portables, proprietary cables for everything, penny-pinching over putting plugs in Console boxes and disappearing Western development. Fair play, he set the Switch train in motion to try and fix the damage but overall Nintendo were a mess for several years.
Funny what nostalgia does to the mind I suppose.
@WiltonRoots People are more likely to want to post if they have an issue or a grievance.
It's silent majority vs vocal minority. Nothing new there.
@EDF
It's both the most powerful handheld around and the most powerful Nintendo home Console ever. That much is clear from the ports we've seen so far.
However if the games don't interest you then you're absolutely right to go elsewhere. Far better to be playing the games you want than buying hardware that doesn't have them games then complaining about it after.
@BlueOcean The Genesis and WiiU, and Atari 7800 (though with the 2600's joystick), are the only systems that support their previous generation's controllers. You can even use the Genesis controller on the 2600 if you want. Nintendo likely didn't cheap out by not allowing a WiiU Pro Controller to be compatible because it can't replicate all the Switch Pro Controller functions. Capture Button, HD Rumble, NFC reader, and Motion Controls are all things the WiiU Pro Controller lacks. And from a business standpoint, why allow only the WiiU Pro Controller to work with the Switch? It's best to just cut off all previous official accessories and work with a clean slate of new tech, rather than confuse the casual consumers even further. Though, it would have been a nice gesture if they allowed it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The Switch's Tegra processor provides a much better pipeline, as well as support for Unreal Engine 4 which is huge, than the bottlenecked WiiU. It has that much going for it, at least, and it's not bad at all.
@Henmii
"I feel that if they used those terrible commercials for the Wii u, the Wii u would have sold just as much. Maybe even more. But yeah, that's in hindsight."
It really, really wouldn't
@Dizzard True, I see a lot of people who rarely post airing their concerns on occasion which is all well and good, but some folks around here are stuck on a permanent loop which results in everyone shouting down the loopers and derailing the subject at hand.
But then again if they just disappeared, I'd eat a lot less popcorn.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
What are you talking about ?!
Switch with PORTABILITY is a HUUUUUGE Leap from Wii U, NOT from 3DS !!
Seriously, Where the heck is your Logic ?!
@EDF
Nintendo is Nintendo, dude.
Their brand image is capturing more Kid Friendly games. Unlike Sony & Microsoft.
You were expecting for Nonsense.
Even Cutesy games like Mario series or Animal Crossing can be a Best Seller.
Why don't you Love something Cute and Adorable like Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbid, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, etc or Something Cool like Zelda games, Metroid, Fire Emblem, etc if you prefer a bit mature games ?
@WiltonRoots LOL
@MasterLEON It wouldn't confuse anybody. I am aware of that the Switch pro controller has more features (and it's also significantly more expensive), I'm just saying that it's greedy (thus I agree with your "business point of view") and who knows, it would have encouraged some people to get a Switch if they knew that at least the Switch pro controller is not the only option to play in a traditional way (at least those that don't like the joycons). Let's not forget that the Switch pro controller is not bundled so it's not needed and not mandatory at all, it's just an extra option and so should be its predecessor.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Technically, the docked Switch is around 3-4 times more powerful than the Wii U, depending on what you count. Practically speaking, that the Switch would output 2.1 megapixels 1080p where the Wii U would output 0.9 megapixels 720p, and then some improved shaders and textured detail since the RAM is larger and faster.
The Switch also runs on a more current and more stable (PC-based) CPU architecture, making it much easier and efficient for 3rd party developers to work with. The GPU support current-generation drivers. It supports both Unity and UE4 since day 1.
The main technical drawbacks of the Switch compared to the Wii U are that it doesn't support USB storage and isn't backwards compatible.
What are the many aspects you're referring to as "worse" than the Wii U with the Switch docked hardware design?
@Anti-Matter
It's nothing personal with Nintendo, just that my gaming tastes have changed, i have a wii u with mario kart and other cute games they made for it. Actually owning a wii u was when i realised i have out grown Nintendo, most of their games on it i disliked like mario3dworld, Yoshi, DKCTF, i only likedMK and xeno, i got more enjoyment from the mature 3rd party games on wii u, that's when it dawned on me that Nintendo wasn't for me anymore
The shovelware ratio is not lower on Switch than on Wii U. Check Metacritic's All Switch Releases list, most of the games are more expensive ports of small games available on mobile/PC/PS/Xbox. Wii U had some exclusive and interesting indie games and its share of shovelware. 3DS is full of shovelware but also lots of exclusive interesting games. That Switch list is a bit depressing, actually, but the console has been in the market for six months only. Also, the top-rated Switch games are Wii U ports (or expanded ports, the definition of port is not same thing or worse, they usually are better).
It's not true that nobody bought Wii U. It was a failure but was bought by 13 million people while Switch has been bought by 4 million people to date.
@electrolite77
Exactly, i have no reason to complain if i don't buy one, i ain't planning to but can't say never, all depends on the games from 3rd party, i already know what to expect from Ninty, though i have to say Devils Third was a bolt from the blue, multiplayer was a blast, more games like this from nintendo would be great, it wouldn't do switch sales any harm, can't see why they can't release games like this aswell as their usual franchises, i think it would get ppl sitting on the fence take more notice of what Nintendo are up to. OK going back to the console or handheld debate, for me it will always be a handheld with TV out, but that's just me, others will have their opinions which is absolutely fine with me if they disagree, it ain't world ending 😁 lol. Anyways I agree it's most powerful handheld so far, though it has its faults, as a Nintendo home console, yes it's their most powerful yet but not much of a leap forward, more last gen than this gen. Dont get me wrong, for me that wouldn't apply cause i think it's a handheld only with TV out as a great feature, a bonus if you like. Good luck to Nintendo and the switch though
@BlueOcean You're factually wrong, again. To date Switch is well above 5 million - perhaps even 6, not 4 as you claim (it had sold 4.7M on the last day on financial Q1 last day of June, adding just the known Japanese figures since then puts the Switch way above 4 M).
And Shovelware ratio is MUCH higher on the Wii U. Shovelware is almost never reviewed enough to get the 4 required reviews to appear on MC. As an example, RCMADIAX only has 3 games with enough reviews of its total 36 Wii U games that appear in the MC listings. And as a comparison, almost all Switch games have more than 4 reviews on MC.
I've only been playing mostly in handheld, because my siblings are always playing the PS4...
Here's a question for everyone. You know Nintendo could have easily released a 3DS model that connected to a TV. Would the 3DS have then been classed as a hybrid "console"? No, it'd still be a handheld, just with added TV out.
The first exclusive Switch that stands out in my opinion is not 1, 2 Switch (a rubbish version of Wario Ware), it's not Splatoon (a cartoonish shooter which is a all the rage in Japan but I find it a bit too chaotic), it's not Arms (an interesting mix of Wii Sports and Punch-out that should have been a launch title, probably bundled with the console like Wii Sports). For me the first exclusive that stands out is not made by Nintendo but Ubisoft and it's called Mario + Rabbids.
@jariw Oh I'm wrong again because you say so and you are right always. Sure. What will I do now?
Switch 4.7 millions and Wii U 13.56, I didn't use decimals (you don't realise I didn't use them for Wii U either), that surely invalidates my whole comment. You should be the only person posting here. Wait a minute, since I'm using official numbers and you AREN'T you are just making up numbers. Thus, I'm right and you are wrong. Sorry.
Don't expect another answer from me but that won't mean that you are right and I'm wrong, It's just that I don't really care.
@BlueOcean
3DS has very Interesting library games, though not really Wow as NDS.
Do you think games like Cooking Mama series, Miitopua, Imagine series, Story of Seasons, etc are shovelware ?
Because I have some of games like that and they are quite interesting for me.
@Anti-Matter
Read below, my phone messed up this comment.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
WRONG !!!
Switch is HYBRID !
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And What the Heck Wrong with Handheld ?!
They are NOT a SIN of Video Games !
Handheld or Console, Who the Heck cares ?!
Just Shut Up and Buy It !
You will know how Awesome is Switch !
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Invalid argument, you wouldn't be able to remove the controller parts and plop on the couch and continue playing the game. Besides the 3DS has two screens, so where does the touchscreen go? Do you really not understand the word "hybrid"???? I mean if you add an electricity component to a car with gas, it becomes a hybrid right? What I really don't understand is why you are so againts it.
@CliffordB it only offers nothing extra if you own a Wii U and would never use a Switch outside of the dock.
That might be a number of people on this website but it's a tiny (almost insignificant) number of people in the market.
@Alikan crikey- are you a drug dealer 🤔
@iMarkU It's a completely valid argument. The 3DS would plug into the TV via a cable. You'd still use the 3DS as the controller. It could play the top screen on the TV or swap depending on the situation. Anyway, it's just a hypothetical question.
@The_Mysteron I had a virtual boy- gutted I sold it now some of the games I had are worth 100s 😪
@Anti-Matter I just said that the three of them have shovelware. Here is the list for Switch:
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/switch/metascore
You know more or less what I like because I told you yesterday.
I've never said that Switch is a failure, I said that Wii U is a failure but I provided the last known Switch sales figure to prove than right now Switch has a veeeeeery long way before surpassing Wii U, not to mention 3DS.
Some people (not you) just live in a bubble and that's fine but let other people live in the real world.
The only reason why I don't answer them the second time is because I know that it is a waste of time and not because I think that they are right and that I am wrong. I don't waste my time. Simple as that.
@BlueOcean
Everybody wastes their time, just by coming on here instead of playing these awesome games they say they have bought lol.
@thedevilsjester really- what type of games do you want? I've bought 30 since launch and only regret buying two or three. There are others I want but the price puts me off- overcooked for example. Are you focusing only on carts- have you seen the games on the estore? Tumbleseed, graceful explosion machine and blaster master zero are absolutely incredible. Then you have shantae, shovel knight, thumper, sonic, wonderboy, retro city rampage etc. On top of that you have classic Neo geo games at 6 quid a pop. As I've said some of the eshop prices are questionable but there is no shortage of quality games to play. In the last two weeks Mario rabbids and Lego worlds have also been released. 🤔🤔
@EDF Hahahaha Exactly. I like a good conversation but not when I know that it is going nowhere. I have to say that there are many interesting people here, though, people with an open mind that can see beyond their own bubble. People with a Switch, people without a Switch, that doesn't matter to me as everyone can see.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You're litterally describing a Wii U with a cable. But since you can also take it away, it makes it a hybrid system? So as answer to your hypothetical question, yes it would make the 3ds a hybrid system.
@EDF lol. Love your comment
@Anti-Matter Shovelware are technically quick ports of easy-to-port games, normally in big amounts. They are not bad per se but can be disappointing. You are including original 3DS games like Story of Seasons as shovelware.
@jariw Still a bit lacking for my tastes (since the are few titles I'm interested in, specially in that list) but like I said, I'm pretty sure the third party support will only grow from now on.
@BlueOcean For a guy, or gal, who knows, who says in this very thread repeatedly that you're dropping the conversation and not replying anymore, you sure are noisy.
@MariOnline I like his and your comments but most of all I like your profile picture!
@BLP_Software Guy. Noisy why? I am not the one criticising other people. Read my comments again. They are just comments about Switch, games, etc.
@BlueOcean That's not the issue man. You can be critical (Just don't, ya know, be dismissive of what other people like, which is what some here do!) and that's all well and good.
But when you say you're going to walk from a conversation, actually do so. I find it's better to make promises, not threats
Been pretty good so far. Now can I have Windjammers and Disney Nintendo games?
@BLP_Software "who says in this very thread repeatedly that you're dropping the conversation and not replying anymore, you sure are noisy".
That's not true at all. I didn't say that. I said that I don't waste my time with people living in a bubble because I know it's a waste of time and they won't admit anything and change their minds. You are confused. I didn't make any promises of not posting again, if that's what you want me to do.
@BlueOcean thanks man. We're all entitled to our own opinion even if most won't agree. It's similar to work and unions. If everyone agrees on everything then nothing will ever change. Always demand more
@BlueOcean The things I see you posting are ultimately very similar, just with different folks, ya know? Its a cycle. From the outside looking in, I see a loop.
@BLP_Software No, you are wrong about me. I only reply once to each of them and I haven't entered any loop. If I reply once it's not a loop, it's giving a chance to each person of having a normal conversation, because I'm that nice.
Of course, I reply to any well-intentioned question or comment.
The whole point of my explanation is that the fact that I don't reply the same thing again while they do doesn't mean that they're right and I'm wrong. It only means that they are more tiresome.
@MariOnline Exactly. If everyone agrees with the status quo and nobody has nothing interesting to say then it's a sect, which is what you don't want at work, union, society, etc. if you are intelligent.
@BlueOcean Well, that's one way to do it. I just grab popcorn and sit back and enjoy the mental gymnastics.
Who would of thought one innocent article would cause the amount of arguments here?
Personally I'm loving the Switch,I really only bought it for Mario And Rabbids which I am loving as well as enjoying my other games on it.Anything that comes after is a bonus.I mostly use it docked but love the fact I can just pick it up and continue playing if I need to which a few times I have.
Multiplayer wise is easy and mostly used than my PS4.
Great little system
My criteria: am I having plenty of gaming fun on my new toy? Yes. That's all folks.
@Wazeddie22
Ah... don't worry about this hubbub.
A lot of different comments here.
No wonder more debates still goes on.
As I write it's 31% for both 'mostly handheld' and 'mostly docked' play, and 27% for a mixture.
That in itself shows that people are enjoying Switch's versatility.
I did NOT expect to use it so much as a handheld but that quick boot up made it the perfect train commute system, and tabletop mode at work was great, and attracted a lot of impressed attention from other staff. I then enjoyed the benefit of when I had proper free time to relax and play on the big screen with a power boost and a comfy chair.
Looking forward to the next few years of Switch
As this is my first Nintendo console, I must say it has been the best purchase i have done with anything i have bought in years!! I am happy to be part of the Nintendo family now lol
The flexibility to play when and wherever you want is truly amazing.
Having Zelda, Mario Kart and Sonic already gave me so many hours of fun that made the system totally worth it for me
Cant wait for the new Mario!!
I still love my Switch so much! I really like that they release a new game every month, because by the time I finish a game another one is already out, so I always have something else to play. I’ve really enjoyed Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle. And I really look forward to Mario Odyssey and Metroid Prime 4!!!!
I love the system and play it daily. I haven't enjoyed a single new gaming device this much in years. I don't think I have gone more than 36 hours since launch day without at least playing the Switch for a little while. I adore the ability to play games both on the TV and as a handheld. Though in general I play on the TV more, I still play as a mobile system all the time too.
That said, I still have a few disappointments. The fact that we still don't have a virtual console, the terrible voice chat, and the lack of customization... with no themes or music for the home menu, and no video streaming apps.
But these are all things that seem almost certain to come to the Switch eventually. So I am not too worried.
@darthstuey nope, just a 30 year old nintendo fan who recently paid off his and his wife's college loans, house, and doesn't mind racking up some credit card debt in celebration. I found last year that nothing on xbox one was bringing me great amounts of joy, so I decided to invest very heavily into Nintendo. I do own a Wii U, but somehow didn't double dip on any game, though some consider Ultra Street Fighter II double dipping, I consider that essential to life, lol. I'm a gamer who in general values retro over new and has always avoided Sony except for what I played at friends houses (I do have a PS2, but it was bought specifically ro play Soul Calibur III. My wife and I are huge fans of that franchise.) My mancave has every Nintendo system, every Microsoft console-the xbox has emulators for NES, SNES, and Genesis-I had sold all 3 and their collections in college, a Dreamcast, an Atari Flashback 7, a Namco arcade controller with built in games, an NES classic with 80 of my fav games, and soon a SNES classic-I hope.
@BlueOcean You said "while Switch has been bought by 4 million people to date", but the date you referred to was the last day of June, and you didn't refer to that date at all in your text. How is your claim not factually wrong?
Of course it's more convenient to not reply to me than to provide claims that are correct. It's called trolling.
I have used the dock for play only maybe 3times. I have used it more as a portable than anything. Does what u wanted from it. I'm happy for the most part.
@JaxonH Nice, thanks I'll head over there! I was a little hesitant to get into it, because my Japanese is.... Well, frankly non-existent. I'm about 5 hours into the village quests, and I have discovered that most monsters are weak to swords.
I don't have a Switch yet, but I hope to get one very soon. My main game this year for it will be Xenoblade 2. I've been playing BotW on the Wii U, but I think I have higher hopes for Xenoblade. I didn't think it would be that way...
The Switch is a great HANDHELD(nothing wrong with that) with MK8D,Arms and Splatoon 2 being played Friends(online of course, finding friends irl who are Nintendo fans, let alone a Switch is impossible especially in the UK). Never touched my 3DS,wii U and PS3 since.DBXV2 or Pokken will be next game on my list and Yeah. My criticism is the kickstand is a bit of a problem,It can be fragile without a case,VC on phone,Paid Online etc but other than Great with Odyssey on the corner it will be great.
Also people hoping that Nintendo will go back to home consoles are in denial. Nintendo home consoles has died with Wii U with 13.5 mill. Nintendo handhelds have always outsold their console counterparts and makes them most money and Consoles itself are becoming obsolete especially to PC. People who are believing that Nintendo is returning to the console market are just kidding themselves.
If Nintendo can actually be bothered to make the system, then I think it'll be very good.
Once again the people disliking the Switch for one reason or other are quite vocal, possibly with the goal of spoiling other people's fun. Sad practice, sad people I think (here's a thought: maybe they'd be happier if the owned a Switch? Could it posibly be envy? Though maybe not for the Switch per se but for the happniness...).
Looking over the comment section I decided that it's not worth getting worked up over most of the negativity here. According to the polls above they're a very small minority of not more than 7%, opposed to more than 86% who think it's actiually a great piece of gear. Nuff said. No reason to take them seriously (in regards to being "right" or "wrong" that is). It's their opinion, that's all nice and dandy, but they're apparently irritated that so few people share it, making them feel like (the) outsiders (they are). Is that maybe why they shout it out so loud and force it upon all the others who see it differently? Is it just fear of irrelevance perhaps?
If so, let's all just give them a pat on the back: "Don't worry, you may not like the Switch, but I think that (to someone) you're an important human being, too. We love you anyways!" <3
@NabbitFan730 they the same people who allowed themselves to be fooled by them YouTube posters predicting the switch would be some PS4 beating high end console.
Totally delusional
@MsgBoardGamer one of the models of Sony's PSP had an official TV connector built in. No one ever classified it as a hybrid console. It was just as much of a console as the Switch. Not sure what my point is, other than having a handheld that connects to your TV is nothing new.
@thedevilsjester Just out of curiosity, why did you buy it? To play Breath of the Wild?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE worse then the Wii U
Lol what planet are you living on. Behind the Virtual boy the Wii U is the worst piece of hardware Nintendo have ever produced.
The gamepad was a like a Fisher price toy full of plastic. horrible resolution, horrible UI, terribly underpowered and a total mess. Nintendo should have never signed it off.
There is a reason it bombed so bad. It was a complete mess.
BotW is great, but I'm still waiting for games that aren't ports and re-releases. As someone who owns every console and a gaming PC, the Switch isn't my go-to option for getting a game that's widely available.
@NinNin No, I bought it because the more people that buy a console, the more developers will consider it as a target platform, and the Switch is a great peice of hardware that I want to see succeed.
Also I don't think Breath of the Wild is a good game at all. I cannot understand the hype around it.
@kobashi100 Lol. Ikr
@kobashi100 Oh yeah Slig is what we call the Wii U Fanboy
@kobashi100 I said it was better in some ways. Does the Switch have a camera, does it have a built-in microphone, are the Wii U discs expensive to manufacture? Does the Switch have Miiverse, Virtual Console or backwards compatibility? Do you want more?
@MsgBoardGamer not true. The PSP had PS2 size and quality of games, and included a digital store for PS1 (that's a home console) games. The Vita had/has PS3 level (as in size and scale) and quality of games. They have "console quality games" just as much as the Switch does. In fact they have had had many of the same titles as the Switch.
For example the console game series Disgaea, which is one of the Switches biggest games as far as content and play time go, had PSP and PSVita ports. Not mini versions of the games mind you, but full definitive editions with all the DLC of their console brethren.
@MsgBoardGamer
So wrong, the psp had plenty games that captures the home console experience, at the time it had many ps2 ports when ps2 was still a thing, games like Warriors, manhunt 2 etc. Vita also got ps3 ports before ps4 existed, plus games that gave the home console experience, like uncharted, killzone, need for Speed, boarderlands2, Gravity Rush plus many others, all big budget games, though most of them are last gen games now but weren't at the time
@BlueOcean Honestly it's better to ignore BLP software, he tends to start arguments that he can't finish, and takes extreme personal offense to statements that mean no offense whatsoever.
@MsgBoardGamer @jariw Wrong. By the way, stop manipulating.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wii U mic is crap, what's the point of cheap discs if no one is making games for the thing and mii verse is closing.
You only have Camera, Virtual Console(but then again who's buying Wii us for virtual console) and backwards compatibility as points.
@RedMageLanakyn True. Funny how people accuse others of their own wrongdoings.
@BlueOcean I made the unfortunate decision to block him today after seeing his comments to you, and his activities over at Push Square, where he's been very confrontational. I tried having a reasonable debate with him last week, and he jumped to so many conclusions that were so off-base I thought he had responded to someone else's comment at first. Oh well, can only give someone so many chances before it's time to move on.
@MsgBoardGamer No.
Why? Because you are manipulating what I say and you are stubborn and won't change your mind like some other people obsessed with punishing anything that doesn't match their limited point of view. It's not my job to deal with that.
@Nolan420 Not with a Screen and Portable aspect it's not
@MsgBoardGamer the percentage of "console quality games" on the Switch is very small, most of the games are ports, small indie titles, or virtual titles for Neo Geo. You choose to ignore the fact that the PSP and Vita had a huge number of full console quality titles to try and make your argument. You are the one cherry picking.
The Switch is a great machine, I love the hardware so much better than I did my PSP and Vita (and that's saying a lot because I am a Sony fan through and through), but it's still just a mobile gaming device with an occasional console quality title.
@RedMageLanakyn They are not worth our time and nobody pays you to stand them. Being rude and manipulating what others say won't get them anywhere. They don't seem to be enjoying games or anything for that matter. They accuse others of trolling and of their own wrongdoings. They only know their own bubble.
@MsgBoardGamer
BS, can't you read, i said they got home console ports not that they were a home console, downgraded or not they are home ports. Yes Nintendo are making so called home console games for a machine that is basically last gen, even wii u could pull them off though slightly downgraded, if the latest big budget PS4ONE games came to switch you would be singing and dancing with joy, though they would be significantly downgraded but that's alright. Your full of BS, just like you have been with many other ppl recently, very rude and arguments, you have been like this for days, your opinion is nothing to me until you pull your head out of your backside and smell some real air, must be smelly down there
@thedevilsjester I agree on the moblie device part but only moblie games.....Zelda BOTW, MK8D,Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario+ Rabbids, Pokken, Disegea 5+, Steep, La Noir, Fast RMX, Gear Club Unlimited, Sonic Mania,Sonic Forces,Steep, Lego City Undercover,Lego worlds, One Piece, DBXV2 etc all console quality games...
@EDF So Wii U would run Mario Rabbids, DBXV2, Steep, FIFA, Skyrim Special Edition etc
You people really put Wii U on a high standard lol. Pretty Tegra X1 isn't last gen or any last gen console and Wii U had a candle with the Switch.
@Nolan420 Dude, A box connected to tv is literally the definition of a console.
A home console you can take on the go is what handheld literally. Means lol.
@thedevilsjester Exactly, that's why I linked the Metacritic list, not because the nonsense he accused me of but to prove that most games are shovelware and that the best-rated games are Wii U ports. I also said that it's only six months old and that all can change and I hope it changes for all the people that bought a Switch and because I might get one in the future, but to say it has lots of exclusive games that are the best is a lie and to bash other consoles to try to make Switch a better console with a better game library is ridiculous.
@BlueOcean So Arms,Splatoon 2, Mario and Rabbids, Skyrim, FIFA, DBXV2, Sonic Mania and Forces, Disgaea 5+, Rocket league, La Noir, Odyessy, Xenoblade, FE Warriors etc all Wii U ports and/or shovel ware according to you
@Nolan420 my iPad can hook up to the tv, the Psp could hook to the tv.... All consoles now right?
@MsgBoardGamer yes it's only 6 months old and we are discussing what it is at it's 6 months mark, not what you think it might be in a year or two. What it is now.
So console quality to you means that it's equal to the major AAAs on this generations console? By that metric Switch has no real console quality games. MK8 is just a port of last generations WiiU with a few extras,. Breath of the Wild on Switch is no different than it's last generation WiiU counterpart. How many Switch games are there that are not on Nintendo last generation console?
To be fair this is your metric on what a Console quality title is not my metric. I consider games that were on last generations console, like Mario kart and Breath of the Wild to be console quality.
@thedevilsjester console quality means games produced on Consoles....Doesn't matter what gen. I think you mean 8th console quality(but then again Wii U is 8th gen console)
@NabbitFan730 No! Read again. I said most games are shovelware, not all, check my comments again and read the list. I also said that the top-rated games are Wii U ports. None of the games you listed are shovelware and I didn't say such thing.
I posted above that Switch is an hybrid console because that's what Nintendo says and because out of the box you get a handheld and a home-dock but, because I can open my mind when other people give good reasoning, I think it's a fair point that some people call it handheld.
Even if people use it more as a home console or as a handheld, the reality is that everything is in the portable device with the dock being hollow cheap plastic. The HDMI that connects it to the TV is not something new but other tablets and handhelds have that. That makes it a handheld console even though it has the HDMI included because the dock is worthless. I have changed my mind about it.
When people say that Switch is last-gen it's because it has as much power as Wii U, to be more specific an itsy bitsy more and with a different architecture (Wii U PowerPC and Switch TegraX1). Wii U even though is current-gen is slightly more powerful than 360 which is a 2005 console. So Wii U in terms of power is last-gen and so is Switch, but obviously Switch can be used as a handheld and Wii U not.
However, many people expected Switch to have Tegra X2 (being delayed a bit) and the fact that it uses the older last-gen version of this technology is something to be noted as well.
@NabbitFan730
Yep it could run all those with the exception of steep, even switch is struggling with that one, Skyrim is just a old port, fifa don't even use the new engine, there might be some downgrade but it can still run them, tegra X1 ain't exactly new tech. It was revealed to the world early 2015
@Nolan420 It's very difficult to say what generation Switch belongs to, that's why I used the words "in terms of power". In terms of power Wii U is last-gen but it is really current-gen. It has basically the same architecture and power than 360 but with slightly better speeds. Switch goes a bit further using mobile technology that it's also a bit dated.
It should be noted that Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U, so it's obvious that some people are going to judge it as a home console and some people as a handheld because Switch is trying to fill in both gaps. All of those people are right. I judge it more as a home console because I'm more a home player.
If you consider it a handheld it may be disappointing if you wanted it to be a home console with more power.
If you consider it a handheld it may be disappointing if you expected the newer technology (Tegra X2).
If you are fine with lower specs and power it may serve you well as a home console or as a handheld.
@MsgBoardGamer
OK, calm down 😁 lol, yes your right, they are latest Nintendo grand games but made for a handheld with TV out not a home console, it will always be a handheld to me and many others but a home console to you and many others, this problem will always exist. It's not a problem though, it's just the way it is. Anyways Sony built console like quality games for the Vita from the ground up, exclusive to that machine, no different than Ninty doing the same with switch handheld, having said that, it don't matter if it's a zelda game or Nintendo land game, if you like them then cool if you don't then cool, it's always games that rule
Hardware is fantastic. All I want now is the software side to catch up - and I don't mean games! I mean the operating system, achievements system, online architecture and communication stuff - all of this needs to be improved and be on par with what Sony and MS are doing.
@thedevilsjester Thanks for the information. That's a weird reason. In that case, you can sell it now because your purchase already contributed to the sales. You can buy it again later when games you want to play are available.
@Nolan420 Yes, Switch is more powerful than Wii U but uses a different technology thus the exact extra power is difficult to measure. Is it enough to get Xbox One/PS4 ports with similar performance and lower resolution? How different are games on Switch compared to those on Wii U? There are few if any current-gen multiplatform 3D games on Switch, most of them are cross-gen. I love Sonic Mania but it's not the best example. Snake Pass is not a good example either. FIFA uses a different engine. Perhaps Yooka-Laylee which is a 3D current-gen game is a good example to see how current-gen games run on Switch.
@Alikan that is awesome- lets compare 30 year obsessions I have every Nintendo console apart from the virtual boy which I sold; a dream cast and mega drive; a neo geo cd; Atari jaguar and lynx; two gameboy advances for playing four swords and pacman vs on the cube which also has the gameboy player on it; a gameboy original and micro; an original ds and 3ds; a psp and a vita and a ps2; the kids have an 360 each and the eldest has a ps 4. I also have 3 game and watch systems. Nice to meet another obsessive 👊 Wish my house was paid off mind.
@Anti-Matter Oh I enjoy reading the comments,would be boring if we all had the same opinions
@BlueOcean "Is it enough to get Xbox One/PS4 ports with similar performance and lower resolution?"
And with portability. I think it's enough for many people. What you do mean by cross-gen? FIFA 18 is a good example.
The Switch is roughly 2 times as powerful as the Wii U. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe runs at 1080p60, whereas Mario Kart 8 runs in 720p at 59 fps.
@Nolan420 I don't know about Dragon Ball because the Xbox One and PS4 versions have not been released and I haven't seen the Switch version yet that has just been released in Japan. I agree that it would be interesting to compare because it's a new 3D game. Steep would be interesting to compare too.
Skyrim is a tricky one.
Sonic Forces and Yooka-Laylee are two interesting games to compare because they are also new and 3D. I have heard that the Switch version of Sonic is 30fps while the Xbox/PS is 60fps, but still.
After going through all these comments I think it all comes down to 4 possibilities:
1) If portability is a plus for you and you never owned a Wii U, the Switch is a good buy.
2) If portability is a plus for you and you own a Wii U, the Switch may be a good buy if you have the disposable income.
3) If portability is not essential and you don't own a Wii U, check whats available but if you have some cash to spare, could be a good buy.
4) If portability is not essential and you own a Wii U, you may want to wait a while.
I'm loving it, I think its already proved itself superior to the Wii U and most importantly, it has greater potential and more likely to succeed.
@NinNin Cross-gen games are last-gen games ported to current gen or released for both generations at the same time.
@Nolan420 I want to check it, I haven't watched any version of the new Dragon Ball game yet. Your suggestion about Steep is valid.
@FX102A Even if the portability isn't essential and you own a Wii U, I think it's still a good buy.
@BlueOcean Agree on the Handheld apart the Switch is Huge step up from Wii U
@MsgBoardGamer the main point of this article is about what the switch is now. 6 months in. Not what you think it might be in the future. I cannot play announced titles, or titles that you think might eventually be made. I can only play what is our right now, and that selection is garbage.
6 months in my Switch is gathering dust, and doesn't really have a "console" feel to it. Just a portable with a spattering of AAAs.
Also I am not sure what you are arguing. All of my posts have talked about the fact that I bought it because I think it has a great future ahead.
@Nolan420 " A handheld game console is a small, portable self-contained video game console with a built-in screen, game controls, and speakers.Handheld game consoles are smaller than home video game consoles and contain the console, screen, speakers, and controls in one unit, allowing people to carry them and play them at any time or place."
Guess what System has all these 😏
@Nolan420 The guy in the video sounds genuine, not a fanboy, but the comparison is very superficial with a few cutscenes. Thanks anyway because I hadn't seen anything about this game but Digital Foundry will check better when the game is available. The guy says that the Switch version is 900p 30fps and Xbox/PS 1080p 60fps and that the Switch version lacks antialiasing. The game looks nice.
@FX102A I don't agree. I love the switch as well as the Wii u. I use the switch mainly docked as I drive to work, it has its problems but if you love Nintendo first party games, it's a must have
@NinNin @FX102A I own a Wii U and have literally only played my Switch docked, and I agree that it is still a worthwhile purchase; with the exception of indie games that were delayed in being finished, it's where the new games will be found. Sure, if all you are interested in is Nintendo's heavy hitters, Breath of the Wild is on Wii U, you already own Mario Kart 8 with both DLC packs, and Splatoon is good enough, so there's no reason to upgrade quite yet. But if you want more than that, games like Mario+Rabbids, Disgaea 5, I Am Setsuna, Snake Pass, Fate/Extella, Kamiko, Snipperclips, ARMS, and TumbleSeed can't and will never be found on Wii U, and are excellent reasons to get a Switch now, instead of waiting for Odyssey, or Prime 4, or whatever title you need to make Switch's library large enough.
@Nolan420 Haven't actually gotten around to playing it yet, in part because Zelda and Disgaea are so huge. Even Setsuna, which doesn't try to be an expansive JRPG, took me more than 50 hours.
@Nolan420 Don't worry about it. Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U and that's why some people see it as a home console and other people as a handheld, because it's trying to be both and that's why Nintendo call it "hybrid". It's not your fault.
@Nolan420 What the guy means is that the Switch version of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 doesn't have antialiasing. It's true that Mario + Rabbids does have it (at a lower resolution). It depends on the engine and how do you want to use the power available on Switch.
@EDF Mario and Rabbids is 600 30fps portable on Switch, the Wii U will not be running this unless 480p 15fps with Drops and that's with super optimization. DBXV1 was taxing on The PS3/Xbox 360, What makes you think the Wii U would run the sequel made Next Gen systems with CPU weaker than 360 CPU. You guys need to stop glorifying Wii U, you guys act it's on par with Switch which is laughable.
Skyrim is running special edition like the Next gen, What's does FIFA using custom enigne have to do with Wii u running it? Steep I will give you but then again if it's struggling on Switch, it would crash on Wii U.
Tegra X1 is not the newest but it's the newest out of the competition.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"Does the Switch have a camera"
No. This is an improvement.
"does it have a built-in microphone"
No. This is an improvement. Less gimmicky nonsense.
"are the Wii U discs expensive to manufacture?"
They're slow optical discs. Nothing to be proud of.
"Does the Switch have Miiverse"
It doesn't. No loss.
"Virtual Console"
Ports?
"backwards compatibility? Do you want more?"
The people who want a Wii U have one.
If the Wii U was sentient it wouldn't thank you for that list of its virtues. What a mess of a Console.
@Nolan420 Not with the description I got it is.
@EDF
"Anyways Sony built console like quality games for the Vita from the ground up, exclusive to that machine"
Not very often! Still irritates me the way they abandoned the Vita. Sold mine after getting the Switch but for its time it was gorgeous hardware (albeit a few buttons short).
@NabbitFan730 Fifa on Switch uses a less demanding engine and actually the Switch version has fewer graphic features. I think you are exaggerating a bit when talking about Wii U's lack of power and also about Switch's advantage. @NinNin too.
@NabbitFan730 Also FIFA 13 on Wii U run @ 30fps with framrate drops.
Performance was horrible.
@MsgBoardGamer
Yeah I agree. It generally struggled with PS3 ports (winces at what it did to Jak and Daxter)
@kobashi100 If they keep their promises the Switch version of FIFA should run at 60 fps.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you troll everything about the switch, it's laughable hence why I said I only come on here to howl at the next stupid or moronic comment you make ........in your defence I do remember being 13
@MsgBoardGamer
Yes i understand what you say, let's forget Nintendo first party games for a moment. Take latest 3rd party games that released on PS4ONE, not last gen ports, they would have to be compromised in some way to fit on switch, meaning by your calculations the switch wouldn't be offering console quality docked or on the go. Now we all know Ninty developed games aren't exactly graphic intense, let's face it most of their games still look like wii u games, like splatoon2, Arms, not saying they aren't technically impressive because they are, guess what i am saying is it's a weak home console but a powerful handheld, if that makes any sense. In your words switch can't handle latest this gen games because it's a handheld, meaning 3rd party
@BlueOcean Don't mean Wii U will run it.
Just the Wii U wasn't as powerful as you think doesn't mean I'm exaggerating how weak the Wii U is.
Switch uses 2015 moblie tech and Curbstomps 7th gen, Wii U contains a processor that's slower and weaker than 360. It's not exaggeration, you just need to stop over glorifing wiiu.
@NabbitFan730
Let's get one thing straight, i don't give a rats arse about wii u or switch for that matter, but just for the record i would rather have switch than wii u, hope that cleared that up, keep smiling ☺
@kobashi100 Exactly Fifa is running 1080p 60 on Switch yet people are saying it's on par with Wii U. Lol 😂
@MsgBoardGamer You don't get it.
You cannot make the comparisons you are making because Nintendo doesn't have two current generation devices to compare. Imagine if Sony didn't make a PS3. Would that have made the PSP "console quality" by the simple fact that there wasn't another current generation Sony device to compare with? This is the argument you seem to be making.
You can, however, compare this generation (the Switch) with Nintendo's last generation (the WiiU). When you do, however, it doesn't look good. The Switch is not capable of much more than the WiiU was (just like the PSP wasn't capable of much more than the PS2, or the Vita much more than the PS3) and if we draw those comparisons, the Switch is still just a dockable handheld. There are no games made on the Switch, that could not have been made on last generations WiiU. By your own metric, by your own logic, the Switch doesn't have console quality games.
To be clear, I do not use your artificial metric to determine if a game is "console quality" or not. If a game is of the same size, scope and scale as major titles released on the consoles, then its a console quality title. Thats it. I don't care if you could have made the game on the Atari 2600, thats not what defines a console quality title. The Switch has a dozen or so of these games, sure. It will also likely have many more over its life, absolutely. That doesn't mean that its any different than the PSP or Vita though. They both strived for the same thing. Console quality titles on a portable. And achieved this, time and time again, just as the Switch will.
The Switch is better hardware, and its easier to play it in console mode, and for this reason it will be much more successful in its goal than the PSP and Vita were; but to ignore the PSP and Vita and pretend like the Switch is the first handheld to make console quality titles is just willful ignorance.
@NabbitFan730 I'm not glorifying anything. Chill.
@Nolan420 Snake Pass is great regarding the controls. But it's a very different 3D platformer, since you move left/right to gain momentum (you have the shoulder buttons to not loose the grip). However, at some places the camera is less than ideal (mainly since the camera is at ground level).
@EDF Exactly, no way Switch could run games like Halo 5 or Uncharted 4 and Switch games look similar to Wii U games with a small resolution boost. Most Nintendo's Wii U games were 60fps. I don't know why they want us to believe that Switch is a powerful console.
@electrolite77
Yep not often enough, what they did to J&D was a tragedy, out of all the ps2 remasters that one was by far the worst, I didn't buy it. Anyways uncharted & killzone certainly gave a impression that you were playing a home console experience. Many of the other ps3 ports were fine though had to be compromised in some form or another but they were still home console experiences regardless what others on here think, it would be same for switch if square was to release FFXV on switch, compromise would have to be made but it would still get that home console feeling. Enough of that, i kept my Vita for Japanese games, well it certainly wasn't for all those western and Sony games that aren't coming, but vita is certainly King when it comes to Japanese niche games, secret of Mana remake anyone lol, seriously though i don't get much time for games, working long shifts does that
@BlueOcean I'm calm actually
Well, if nothing else, it's been interesting... The NS has proven the power of ports to single handedly carry a system's popularity. No matter how good the game is, a port is a port, after all. There's been a few exclusives here and there with good quality, but Splatoon 2 is the only one with star power so far. All in all, from my point of view, not enough incentive to get an NS yet. I'll be waiting for the inevitable mid gen upgrade 2-4 years hence. Every Nintendo portable console since the GBA has had mid gen upgrades within about 2 or 4 years after release.
Speaking of which... Looking at the comments, I can't help but feel it's unique to Nintendo fans to treat the NS as a home console. Most everyone else sees the NS as a portable console with a TV Out capability. Especially in the PC realm, there's no mistaking the distance between modern PC game requirements and the NS.
I finished a custom built PC recently using newer parts... The difference is night and day between that kind of performance and the NS. The NS uses mobile parts, therefore it's a portable console. I have no trouble recognizing that and accepting it for what it is. Certainly, the NS has more to set it apart from the PC than the PS4/XB1 in the age of x86 console development. But I have no illusions about the NS being a comparable product. It has to stand on it's own, like the 3DS did before it.
@PlywoodStick @BlueOcean Idk why people is saying it's Switch is a console when it's a handheld lol.
@NabbitFan730 Cool.
@thedevilsjester
Yep tried telling him something similar but he wouldn't listen, he just seemed obsessed with Ninty developed games for switch with no mention of latest 3Rd party games, not ports that switch can't run, why because it's a handheld, still it gets console quality games just like vita, psp. Have to say though you worded it better than me
@BlueOcean FWIW, the "small resolution boost" from 720p to 1080p is going from 0.9 megapixels to 2.1 megapixels.
@EDF I wouldn't count on an FFXV port on the NS any time soon:
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/08/final-fantasy-15-pc-gameworks-hajime-tabata-interview/
@MsgBoardGamer Man, these people must love their Wii Us.
@thedevilsjester "Nothing on Switch the Wii U couldn't handle"
So Wii U would handle Mario Rabbids, DBXV2, Steep, FIFA, Skyrim Special Edition etc.
Seriously.....
@NabbitFan730 Probably due to denial that the Wii U is likely going to be the final Nintendo home console after such a storied legacy came down in flames. It ain't just a river! Well, lots of people were predicting it would eventually come to this as far back as the GameCube days. So it's not totally unexpected, but still a bittersweet result. On the bright side, all development will be focused on Nintendo's traditional breadwinner from now on!
@NabbitFan730 @PlywoodStick Because of Nintendo's confusing marketing. I called it hybrid until reading this never-ending thread now I agree that it's a handheld with an HDMI cable included and a hollow piece of plastic.
But let's be honest, Switch is the successor to both 3DS and Wii U and Nintendo says that it's an hybrid console, no wonder people are confused.
What with people in the comments overhyping Wii U, Saying it can handle Switch every game and it's on par etc. People, Seriously......Switch uses has 2015 moblie tech that demolishes 7th Gen, Wii U is using Archecture from GameCube which is Weaker and Slower than 360 and with half the ram......
If thinks otherwise, saying Wii U is capable as Switch or Vice versa is delusional and knows nothing on hardware.
@PlywoodStick These don't realize their handhelds make the most money and their consoles flop(Nes,SNES and Wii are exceptions). They're Deep in denial to go as far to overhype Wii U. I don't really get the love for the GC. It was second biggest flop before the Wii U.
They have to get use to it or leave Nintendo.
@BlueOcean
It's certainly a powerful handheld but for those that think it's a home console, they have bought a weak console, this is nintendo's 2nd attempt at this gen with a home console that's still can't run the latest new 3rd party games, hence why it will only get last gen ports, sad indeed. Any of the latest games will be severely compromised, that's if it gets them. None of that matters really cause it's a handheld and said 3rd party last gen ports would be welcome. That's what i think of switchportal
@BlueOcean Well, there may actually be something to the marketing and how people use their systems... In the past 6 months, I have only ever seen a single person using an NS in public, which was on a public transit bus. And I regularly take public transit in the Washington DC Metropolitan Area. Most people are likely taking that marketing to heart and just keeping their systems at home, instead of actually taking them out and about. The only anecdotes I've seen suggesting otherwise have been from Nintendo fans, particularly those on NL. (Although, admittedly that in itself is an anecdote... )
@PlywoodStick The Switch is a home console if you want to use it that way. The Switch is a portable if you want to use it that way. The Switch is a tabletop machine if you want to use it that way.
The hybrid nature of the Switch really isn't that difficult.
@NabbitFan730 Although the Wii U CPU is similar to the 360, the GPU in the Wii U however is much stronger and more contemporary than the 360. The Wii U has 2GB, where 1 GB can be used for games. The 360 has 512MB RAM, and much slower memory transfer speed.
@EDF True, Switch is Nintendo's second attempt in the current generation which is not current-generation. It can run Wii U ports/expansions easily but still hasn't received any current-gen multiplatform game (don't include 2D games) so I understand that people are disappointed because it lacks the power of the consoles released in 2013.
The first multiplatform 3D games will be Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Sonic Forces, Steep, Yooka-Laylee... Let's see how Switch deals with them, but it doesn't look easy. Sonic is 30 fps on Switch, same for Dragon Ball and probably the visuals will be downgraded as well (apart from resolution). Most of the games of the current-generation are not present at all on Switch.
@EDF Pretty sure DBXV2,Mario and Rabbids, Fifa 17, NBA 2K, Disgaea 5+,Steep, Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces, Rocket League etc are all Last gen but hey, Keep believing Every game is a last gen ports....
Also last gen ports are here because developers need to test waters or the switch and also that portability factor.
@PlywoodStick Yes, I would use it as a home console too but mostly because of its size and battery life. Nintendo made sacrifices in order to achieve its hybrid thing and those sacrifices are potentially disappointing for both home users and handheld users.
@BlueOcean Well that's to be expecting with the Switch 6 months on the market....
@NabbitFan730 The only failures of Nintendo are Virtual Boy (hybrid?) and Wii U (home/OFF-TV?).
@thedevilsjester
Since When Nintendo Switch is less powerful than psp / ps vita ??
Clearly you have no idea at all about Nintendo Switch.
@MsgBoardGamer
Who said psp, vita was a home console, not me, i said both machines have games that give you a home console experience. Well that was just a fancy way of avoiding the fact that outside of Ninty developed games the switch can't give the very latest 3rd party home console experience. I ain't even going to answer the ridiculous comment about Ninty pushing their own hardware and bollocks to all you 3rd party comment. Reminds me of a man trapped on a island by himself, why would anybody want to rescue him after he turned his back on them
@NabbitFan730 Yes, but this article is about its first six months. Next year we can discuss Switch's anniversary.
@jariw Wii U CPU is Weaker than 360 other than that Wii U trumps 360 but I'm talking Wii U vs Switch were Wii U doesn't hold a candle....
@PlywoodStick @MsgBoardGamer why do you care so much what he thinks? He doesn't like the switch- we do. End of really. I take mine on public transport all the time. I alternate between it and my vita.
The games so far have been damn good, but I still have some massive complains about the console overall (No Virtual Console anywhere in sight. Absolutely no easy way to communicate with friends online. Both the eShop and home menu feel bland without music. No central online hub for the community, like Miiverse.)
@jariw Technically, the same could be said for the PSP-2000/3000/GO and Vita. They can be played using a TV with the console as a controller, portably, or with a tabletop stand. They had the same "hybrid nature." However, I've never once heard or seen anyone call the PSP or Vita a "hybrid console"... Only portable. The NS does nothing new in that regard. Ultimately, though, it's just semantics. It is what it is, and nothing less.
@EDF
When you buy Nintendo produtcs, expect for less 3rd parties because Nintendo games are mostly about 1st parties. 3rd parties are just Complementary, not a Mandatory support.
Don't mixed up with Sony / Microsoft.
Nintendo is a DIFFERENT Company.
You should know from beginning and try to embrace their difference.
Also with PS4 Pro here and Xbox One X around the corner the new games are becoming more advanced with vanilla versions available for PS4 and Xbox One. Will developers find the time and resources to scale down their games until they run decently on Switch?
@NabbitFan730
Exactly mate, where are all the big games, it's great that's it's getting these games but you know what am talking about, now don't be canny lol. Yes they have to test waters, hell why not, then they will release more last gen ports, just like capcom, many will follow their lead, it's no bad thing
@BlueOcean What? GC didn't sell as well as its competitors and at the time the worst Nintendo selling console not countng the virtual boy. Pretty sure it was a failure
@NabbitFan730 Absolutely. The Switch is more powerful than the WiiU (and has double the RAM), but the difference doesn't really amount to much. Mario+Rabbids was originally in development for the WiiU (or at least, a game by Ubi with Mario and Rabbids in it, may not have turned out to be the same game in the end, who knows), and MarioKart 8 Deluxe doesn't look much different than MarioKart 8, and Breath of the Wild IS on the WiiU, and Splatoon 2 doesn't do anything that couldn't have been done as a WiiU title like Splatoon. Skyrim was on the PS3, and the WiiU is capable of making almost anything the PS3 was capable of. So yes, the WiiU is capable of any game that the Switch is, with little to no sacrifices/differences.
I am sure you could push the Switch to its limits and get a bit of extra shine that you couldnt have gotten on the WiiU, but not only are developers hesitant to do that on the Switch (because the more you push the Switch, the worse your battery life is) but having a few extra shaders, or a little bit more draw distance, is not why people buy Nintendo. If they wanted or cared about that, they would have a PS4, and Xbox One, or a PC.
@Anti-Matter
Just got to say, I love you man. I know what Nintendo is, hmm who doesn't, Christ i brought my kids up on food, water and nintendo
@NabbitFan730 GameCube wasn't a failure, it was profitable but PS2 was a huge success, the best-selling console ever. Nobody could have beaten that. The most balanced generation ever was last generation but that's the only exception:
Wii: Around 100 millions
Xbox 360: Around 80 millions
PS3: Around 80 millions
No other generation has been as balanced as last generation.
EDIT: DS was king in the handheld section.
500+ comments. Well that escalated quickly.
@darthstuey Well, I'm glad one more person does, because I was expecting to see an explosion of NS users out in the wild by the end of the year! That was supposed to be how people learned more about the NS, through word of mouth... Seeing how demo kiosks are nearly nonexistent for the NS, even now..
@Anti-Matter Never once did I say the Switch is less powerful than the PSP or Vita.
To be clear I think the Switch is far superior in every way to the PSP and Vita, and I love Playstation so much that I have a Playstation Tattoo. That should tell you what I think about the Switch as a hardware device. I love it. My only arguments have been that the software is not there yet (and I don't expect it to be at 6 months), and that the idea of console quality games on a handheld is not a new one, its the very idea that the PSP and Vita were running on. Thats it. Anything else, you read into it because you either skimmed my posts, confused them with someone else, or have poor reading comprehension.
@BlueOcean To be fair, the PS4 Pro and XB1 are both stuck with overclocked refreshes of the now aging Jaguar APU, which severely bottlenecks their potential performance, given their GPU upgrades over the base systems. So their performance vs NS is significant, but it's been prevented from being worlds apart. It's only really impossible to transfer from the most technically demanding titles. Given the steeply rising cost of game development, the NS provides a much more affordable option.
@thedevilsjester This Wii U Overhype, man.....Mario And Rabbids runs at 600p 30fps portable....Doesnt Matter if it was originally made for Wii U, no chance it run unless it's 480p 15fps with Huge Drops and that's with super opmitization.
Splatoon 2 is Bigger, Better Textures, Shadows all not possible on Wii U.
Oh yeah, on your Wii U hype Stream, you forgot one thing.....Wii U CPU uses Archecture from the GC despite being overclocked was weaker than the 360 and PS3 so guess what....Wii U wouldn't Run Skyrim as even as well PS3.
Also What about DBXV2,Steep, Forces etc. Cherry picking I see...
So no Wii U will not handle or capable any Switch game, let alone without sacrifices....You really need to overhyping Wii U.
@MsgBoardGamer
Not sure which point or article your talking about, we have posted many, do enlighten me, I have probably answered it somewhere, maybe or I got side tracked
@PlywoodStick The Xbox One X in particular is achieving ultra PC settings thanks to its optimisation and operations built in the CPU/GPU. Also, the development kits are shared between PC and X so it's very easy to port between them. I think that most devopers are focused on PC/Xbox One X with "automatic" versions for Pro, PS4 and the original One. To make a Switch version you have to deal with different architecture and much less power.
@MsgBoardGamer You don't seem to understand what a "generation" is in terms of console specs. 8x-16x the performance and capacity of the previous hardware is what generally constitutes a generation. In a previous discussion (maybe on pushsquare?) I outlined some of these specs to show what a console generation is. The Switch is not a generational jump, its more like the WiiU's version of the "PS4 Pro". Better specs, not really capable of much more than its predecessor, but it can add a cherry on top.
@NabbitFan730 Not answering your question for every single game you listed, is not cherry picking, its not wasting my time.
You misunderstand, I hate the WiiU (to be honest, I dont like any Nintendo home console since the SNES, but I love the Switch), I am not trying to White Knight that machine, far from it. I am trying to say that the Switch isn't really more capable. Not in any degree that matters. Sure you can have some extra shadows here, slightly better water shaders there, and a small resolution bump while docked, but you can also drop all of those things (or not include them in the first place) and the games will not lose any of their fun. You could still make those games, make them visually impressive, and enjoyable, on the WiiU.
@thedevilsjester You really will overhype Wii U to new levels huh?
Even a DEVELOPER who Works both Wii U and Switch and said Switch is Generations ahead you still deny. Lol
@MsgBoardGamer I didn't really read your latest post because you don't really seem to read mine, just skim them for points you want to try and argue against. Whatever you choose to beleive, I have looked at (most) of the major titles on the WiiU (like Smash, Splatoon, MK, etc...) and I have looked at most of the major titles on my Switch (hooked up to the same TV), and damned if I could find any real differences. Oh I am sure if you analze the still images frame by frame you could point out where the lighting works better, or when zoomed in at full range the texture is slightly less blurry, but that doesn't mean that the game could not have been made on the WiiU, and unless you compare them side by side, no one would really notice or care. It would still be the same game, it would still be just as enjoyable for those that enjoy those games. It would just be a little less graphically impressive, and lets be honest, Nintendo fans don't care about technical specs, they care about results.
@BlueOcean Xbox one X is not Utra PC level lol. Especially being bottlenecked by that Overlocked Jaguar Potato. X is mid level At best.
@MsgBoardGamer PC gaming is significant in the discussion because outside of Nintendo's portable consoles, that's what's seeing the most growth for core gaming right now. (Not counting the mobile industry's race to the bottom.) Home console gaming, by contrast, has severely contracted since the 7th console generation. Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, hence the switch to the Switch. A wise move.
However, a look at the specs of the device reveals the home console marketing spiel for what it is. The output and controller options are built into the device, the dock doesn't unlock anything. It's just a port to plug the console into so the console can tell itself that it doesn't have to worry about the battery. That's just a hard coded downgrade/normalize switch. Doesn't bring it's performance up to modern standards on stationary consoles/PC, though. The viability there remains advantageous when considered primarily a portable console. No one else offers what Nintendo is offering in that regard.
Drumming it up doesn't change it's purpose, though. It's the sole new path for Nintendo consoles, take it or leave it for better or worse.
@NabbitFan730 Do you understand what hyping something means? I don't think the WiiU is impressive at all. In fact I think its a poor excuse for a console. How is that hyping, or over hyping something? What I said was that the Switch isn't capable of making something that the WiiU couldn't have. Not because the WiiU is some great machine, its not, but because the Switch is also not very technically impressive. Not for a console its not. Its the best handheld that has ever been made, but its a pretty poor console.
I don't care what some developer said (I have been a software engineer for over a decade, and developed many games), what I care about is results. Those results are on the store shelves. Its that simple.
@NabbitFan730 It's a modified and customised CPU-GPU with huge memory bandwidth, not a simple Jaguar. Titanfall 2 up to 6K running on Xbox One X. If you think that's a potato then Switch must be a Game Boy running Tetris in comparison.
www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2017-microsofts-xbox-one-x-benchmarks-revealed
@MsgBoardGamer I grow tired of scrolling down all of these comments to get to the bottom to read/respond (its a pain on the phone), so I am going to stop replying to these and leave you with this. It doesn't matter what the technical specs are (though 5x GPU and 2x RAM is hardly a generational bump), what matters is how/if they are used. Breath of the Wild on WiiU doesnt really look any different than Breath of the Wild on the Switch. It plays the same, it has the same frame rate drops in the same areas. This is Nintendos flagship title, the title that has supposedly over a 110% attachment rate, and it really doesn't have anything in the Switch version that is not in the WiiU version.
The fact that the Switch (undocked) has some serious frame rate issues with Breath of the Wild shows that its pushing the Switch to its limits. The fact that it doesnt play or look much different on the WiiU shows that there really isnt much the Switch can do (realistically) that the WiiU couldnt have.
@thedevilsjester You said said Wii U could run any Switch game, I gave list, you still didn't finish so unless you counter every game on my list, the Wii U can't Switch run every game, "I didn't want to waste time" Yet you have to time to overestimate Wii U and put it at levels it won't even dent....You can damage control all you want but waiting on the wall.
@NabbitFan730 Sure, you gave a list, and I disagree with every one on that list. It really it doesn't matter if you had just copy and pasted the List of Switch Games from Wikipedia, I still disagree with your assertion that they are significantly better on the Switch than they would have been on the WiiU. I called out a few specific examples that happen to have direct parallels on the WiiU. The rest just fall into the "and everything else", since its hard to compare without parallels. As a developer though, I am 100% certain that they could have made each of those games on the WiiU, and they would still be just as enjoyable.
Look at my reply directly above yours. Breath of the Wild has some serious frame rate drops on the Switch (so its all the Switch can handle and then some), yet it looks/plays no different on the WiiU, and this is from the developer that knows the Switch better than anyone. The WiiU can clearly handle a game that the Switch struggles to maintain a stable framerate on. The proof is in the pudding.
@BlueOcean Considering that games like Destiny 2 are being locked at up to 1080p 60 FPS/1440p 30 FPS on XB1X, meanwhile PC can now go up to 1080p/1440p 144 FPS... I'm going to say it's not even remotely close to accommodating Ultra settings. Maybe high settings on some games. With slower loading times, thanks to no SSD optimization. But yeah, it's kinda funny watching people bicker over 30/60 FPS when PC cleared that hurdle years ago.
Granted, ultra settings often provide almost no visibly noticeable benefits over high settings, making it a resource hog more than anything else. Maxing out FPS with high settings is the ideal.
@BlueOcean What's with you Xbox guys always bring Switch in this...Switch being weaker than The X still doesn't change the fact is nothing more than a Mid PC.
That's "custom apu" is going to be a Jaguar Potato because guess what....All games on X must run on the OG Xone. So yeah, Nothing than a Mid Range PC.
You guys need to stop touting POWAH and actually ask for exclusive because the X isn't going to change anything for the Xbox brand.
@NabbitFan730 Can a mid-PC do this in 2017?
www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2017-microsofts-xbox-one-x-benchmarks-revealed
And that is with not-finished games.
Read it before saying more nonsense.
@PlywoodStick Not all games on Xbox One X are 30fps, some are 60fps. Some even native 4K60fps (Forza). Ultra is not the correct term, each game has its own "ultra" specs, so forget I said ultra, just check link.
http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2017-microsofts-xbox-one-x-benchmarks-revealed
"Monolith has confirmed native 4K for Shadow of War, while Respawn Entertainment says that Titanfall 2 dynamically scales up to 6K resolution. On top of that, Ark developer Studio Wildcard likens Xbox One X to a PC running a GTX 1070 with 16GB of RAM"
This proves that Xbox One X achieves the same results as a high-range PC with a €500 GPU and 16GB of RAM.
@NabbitFan730 @MsgBoardGamer I say the WiiU is capable of doing almost everything the Switch is, you say its not. When did this become the argument?
I love the Switch hardware and I think the software will get there eventually (thats why I bought it, to support its future). You should save your argument effort for people that have not taken a drink of the Switch kool aid because I am firmly in the "I love the Switch" camp.
We can go back and forth, but its an argument without end and without a definitive answer, just opinions. Neither of us is going to change the others mind, and I dont want to argue with you all just to argue. I like these communities. I don't think this topic really matters in the grand scheme of things, so agree to disagree?
@NabbitFan730 "What's with you Xbox guys You guys need to stop touting POWAH and actually ask for exclusive because the X isn't going to change anything for the Xbox brand".
I didn't expect you to be trolling me after a long conversation. I love Nintendo. Grow up. Because of your trolling nonsense, I will ignore you.
@MsgBoardGamer Sony had the same idea with PSP/Vita for their time... "A portable console with the amenities of a home console." Nintendo just happened to be the company getting it right once the available technology finally caught up to the concept. I'm expecting to see mid gen SKU upgrades every 2-3 years to keep up with modern tech as prices fall. Pascal Tegra should be more affordable by then, then Volta Tegra 4-6 years from now.... That wouldn't be bad at all.
@thedevilsjester The Switch isn't as impressive as PS4 and Xbox one but Wii U is no contest.....Seriously It's Using a Overclocked GameCube Processor which still couldn't compete with 360, Developers who worked on both systems said Switch is Generations beyond Wii U but according to you it's on par with 2015 MOBILE TECH.....ok
BOTW Runs like that because the same reason I stated above, Outdated processor that Handicapped the Switch. I 100% Guarntee it will run 1080p 60fps if Made only for Switch.
You can keep saying "oh I hate Wii U" all you like but still doesn't change the fact you're heavily overestimating the Wii U.
@electrolite77 I purchased that for vita without reading vita version reviews. After 1 hour I turned off and never played jax and daxter on Vita again. Absolute shocking port compared to the beautiful PS3 version.
http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-how-microsofts-xbox-one-x-compares-to-a-pc/
"In terms of desktops, at $500 the Xbox One X competes with our cheap gaming PC build guide. And for the price, the specs are pretty similar. Our rig has a 3GB GTX 1060, which is about on par with the power level described above (though with significantly less GDDR5 RAM, as mentioned). Our rig also doesn't account for the price of Windows, but the trade-off there is you get a fully-functioning PC, as opposed to the locked ecosystem of a console. And, of course, the ability to upgrade down the line."
"Xbox One X compete with our CHEAP GAMING PC"
😂 Lol. The X vs Ultra PC goes out the Window, X has and will never stand a chance against Ultra PCs.
Also When was Truth considered trolling though, With Xbox cancelling Exclusives, Phil saying "BOTW and Horizon aren't impactful", Fake 4K etc, What will the X do? Xbox is getting curbstomped by PS4 and can't even keep up with Switch in Weekly to monthly Sales and Exclusives, X won't do anything, it's has no market for anyone except Xbox diehards and each console they sell they lose Money....
The only person who needs to grow up If you really think X will do anything for the Xbox Brand.
@MsgBoardGamer
I never made the claim that the WiiU has better games than the Switch.
As for the other point, it is not objectively false, its still pure opinion. I will explain this by separating the fact from opinion.
Fact: You can make any game thats made on the Switch on the WiiU.
Opinion: The differences that would be required to make the game on said platform are immaterial or wouldn't impact the playability or enjoyment provided by the game.
We differ on the opinion portion. When I play PC games (for example), the first thing I do is turn off shadows, and turn reflections to their lowest setting. I never really notice (nor care) about these things. If a game has to drop the resolution, lower shadows, reflections, etc..., this doesn't make any difference to me at all. I hardly notice. In fact most people won't really notice unless you point it out to them. So if these were the "sacrifices", they are not really sacrifices in my opinion.
@thedevilsjester Mario Kart 8 Deluxe runs in 1080p60. Fast RMX runs in 1080p60. The Switch version of Breath of the Wild runs in 900p, and the frame rate of the latest version is much better than that of the Wii U version. You should watch the Splatoon 2 analysis video by Digital Foundry. The Switch is roughly 2 times as powerful as the Wii U.
I'm not sure why you are comparing the Switch and Wii U, though. What is your point? You said this, "the Switch is a great peice of hardware that I want to see succeed." Then you said that it wasn't different enough from the Wii U. Has you changed your mind?
@darthstuey very nice collection. Game on! 👍
Ia the first Poll about the switch library until now, or does It include anouced Future games? If It's only until now, It's disapointing, my 2 most played games are on Wii u anyway.
Haha! This is awesome. You people are insane! I love it!
Rabble rabble rabble!!!
@NinNin If I have to watch a DF video to notice the difference, its not really a difference thats worth anything in my opinion.
@thedevilsjester
Im not sure where you're getting you're info from but BOTW runs better on Switch. It has a more stable frame rate in every mode and when Docked it runs at 900p rather than 720p which is an increase of over 50% in pixel count. This is despite being developed for the more mature Wii U and ported over as a Switch launch game.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-switch-vs-wii-u-face-off
So yes you're right, the proof is in the pudding and a look under the custard shows Switch demonstrating significant improvements. Here's more pudding....
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-fast-rmx-showcases-switches-power-over-wii-u
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-mario-kart-8-deluxe-tech-analysis
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-how-does-splatoon-2-tech-improve-over-wii-u
@MsgBoardGamer it's clear that you don't actually know how a game is developed. A "game engine" is nothing more than a term to mean "a chunk of reusable code". There is no such thing as a game engine that's not possible on this or that platform. Having developed software for nearly two decades (commercially for one) and designed numerous game engines and worked with different consoles (mostly handhelds and PC, though I have friends that develop on the consoles) I would say that I have a pretty good understanding about this field. Every game engine is possible. Of course back porting them is much much harder than designing them for the platform to begin with.
As for back tracking, not at all. Simply clarifying because you seem to be under false impressions about what I mean or say. For example, TECHNICALLY dropping the resolution by 1 pixel would be something that technically makes the game less than it's 1 pixel better. You would be hard pressed to find someone that actually cares about that difference. Where is the line between "a minor change and a change that changes the entire game?" I argue that between the WiiU and the Switch that the line is close enough to not matter. The game would still be the same game and still be just as fun, without a few shadows.
It's clear that you don't want to have a meaningful discussion, and you think you know how everything works, and no amount of logic is going to dissuade you, so this conversation is pointless.
It's even more pointless because I don't actually care. The Switch could be 1000x more powerful than the PS4, or half as powerful as the NES and I don't really care. I have no dog in this fight. I got pulled into this argument because...well I don't know why.
@electrolite77 I never said that it didn't run better on the Switch. Why do people keep reading things that are not there into my posts and the try and argue with me about these imagined slights?
I said that it struggles to run at full speed on the Switch at all times. This means it's pushing the Switch to it's limits if the Switch cannot maintain it's framerate. I also said that the game doesn't have any dramatic differences between the platforms it's on. All this is to say that the WiiU was capable of having a fully featured version of a game that pushed the Switch to it's limits.
@Cuoco I usually come around this site specifically to read his silly comments as well. It's entertaining.
@BlueOcean Here's what about $500 can build for a PC:
CPU: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Desktop-Processor-Stealth-YD1200BBAEBOX/dp/B0741DN383/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505097173&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=ryzen+3+1200&psc=1
GPU: https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-DisplayPort-PCI-Express-RX-460P4SFG5/dp/B01JGQUIU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505096582&sr=8-1&keywords=xfx+rx+460
Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/PRIME-A320M-K-Ryzen-Micro-ATX-Motherboard/dp/B06ZY2F35X/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1505096914&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+prime+a320m-k
RAM: https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Sport-Single-PC4-19200-288-Pin/dp/B00UFBZOVE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505096970&sr=8-1&keywords=ballistix+sport+8gb
Power Supply: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Glacier-Continuous-Semi-Modular-500M/dp/B00S8NO7OQ/ref=sr_1_15?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1505096600&sr=1-15&keywords=500w%2Bpower%2Bsupply&th=1
1TB HDD: https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST1000DM010/dp/B01LNJBA2I/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1505096862&sr=1-3&keywords=1tb+HDD
Case: https://www.amazon.com/MasterBox-Mirror-Acrylic-Customizable-colors/dp/B071GYMHKL/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1505097009&sr=1-5&keywords=mATX+case
Not too shabby, it competes with an XB1X and bashes the PS4Pro over the head. It can also be upgraded with a modern M.2 SSD, more/faster DDR4 RAM, and a newer CPU/GPU in the future. Keep in mind that according to the Bottleneck Calculator, this system as-is would have an 18% bottleneck between the CPU and GPU. (10% or less is considered ideal.) By comparison, the XB1X would have a far more substantial bottleneck, as told in the PCGamer link provided by Nabbit above:
"Compared to a desktop CPU, the Xbox One X's CPU will be a substantial bottleneck. The eight Jaguar CPU cores will offer one-half to one-third the performance of AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. As we wrote when the Scorpio specs were first revealed, all eight cores working together will maybe roughly equal the performance of an Intel i3 CPU."
The current Intel i3's are dual core processors. The Jaguar APU's are quad cores, but they're only being clocked up to around 1.6-2.1 GHz tops, which is very slow by modern standards. By contrast, the Ryzen 3 1200 in the above PC build I composed begins at 3.1 GHz and can potentially be clocked to 3.4+ GHz using overclocking software. (A320 motherboards don't include hardware-based overclocking commands.) As part of the Ryzen line, it also includes many modern features that are missing in the Jaguar APU's. Thus, even though it's the lowest budget CPU in AMD's Ryzen line at about $110, it's still more powerful than the CPU in the XB1X. Some developers try to downplay the consequences of bottlenecking, but the effects become noticeable even when pitted against comparably priced modern PC systems.
As for the cost of the Microsoft OS license, Windows 10 is free to download and install. The license is mainly just used for security/biannual update pack support. The license can thus be chalked up to a future software purchase. Keyboard and mouse costs not included, but there are budget bundles out there for the cost of an XB1X/PS4 controller or less. Not to mention this setup can perform way more tasks than a console can. So, uh... yeah.
In addition, if the PC budget is increased to $600, then a GTX 1060 3GB (which is practically on par with the real life performance of the XB1X GPU, as described in the PCGamer link) can replace the RX 460 4GB. The XB1X GPU cannot realistically perform on par with any GTX 1070. No current integrated GPU is capable of that, because it would generate too much heat. Not to mention, console games don't even make full use of the 8GB of RAM requirement for typical modern PC setups anyways, so 16GB is a moot point. The ARK devs positing the idea about GTX 1070 comparisons (where you probably got that info from) were just circulating a rumor. If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably false.
If the XB1X GPU really was on par with a GTX 1070, Microsoft would be talking up 100+ FPS and 30/60 FPS limits being a thing of the past. Which they aren't, especially since Phil Spencer thinks most gamers don't care about 60+ FPS. Most TV's don't offer 144Hz, and especially not Free/GSync, so most of them can't take advantage of 100+ FPS anyways. Being stuck at 60 FPS is a console's curse.
@NabbitFan730 "Compared to a desktop CPU, the Xbox One X's CPU will be a substantial bottleneck. The eight Jaguar CPU cores will offer one-half to one-third the performance of AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. As we wrote when the Scorpio specs were first revealed, all eight cores working together will maybe roughly equal the performance of an Intel i3 CPU."
If you ask me, that's the really damning kicker there. It's like the XB1X was deliberately neutered from the start so that it wouldn't outpace the PS4Pro and make multiplatform development more streamlined, at the cost of hurting performance for exclusives.
I bought the system couple days ago, so far is very good! especially when playing the legend of zelda(first time). The drawback is in my country(asia) they still dont have products warranty
@PlywoodStick Yeo
@thedevilsjester Watch this video: https://youtu.be/3hdGpEPy-K4. The difference is easily noticeable. The frame rate of the latest version of the Switch version of Breath of the Wild is much better than that of the Wii U version.
Also, you have to keep in mind that Breath of the Wild is the final first-party Wii U game, whereas it's one of the first first-party Switch games. The development team also worked longer on the Wii U version.
By the way, why do you think the Switch is great?
@ThatNyteDaez I'm on the EXACT same boat as far as the Switch replacing my time playing the Wii /3DS 90% (heh, only reason I even turned on my Wii U today in MONTHS is coz of being stuck at home all weekend due to Hurricane Irma lol). And same...my PS4 is collecting dust, as well!
@MsgBoardGamer Don't why he believes A Overclocked GameCube Processor weaker than 360 is on par with 2015 Moblie tech. It's like saying 1995 pcs are on with iPads lol.
@justin233 hahaaaa I knew I wasn't the only one
I don't have a Switch, let's talk about the Wii U.
I have played Breath of the Wild more than 100 hours on Wii U and a bit on Switch. Both versions were released with choppy frame rate but only the
Switch version has been "fixed" since launch, which doesn't mean that the Wii U could not have been. One of the evidences is that the slowdowns on the Wii U happen mostly in the villages which have nothing specially demanding. I have all updates and none of them have fixed anything regarding performance on Wii U because Nintendo just doesn't care about Wii U users and they just fixed the "glitches" like the arrows "glitch", which is not really a glitch but a farming procedure. Probably they even did this on purpose so that the Switch version was "better", smoother.
But enough of my experience, let's get technical.
If Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U, Breath of the Wild would be significantly better on Switch in the areas where they focused on, frame rate and resolution, but all they achieved was the same 30 fps and the same 720p resolution, 900p docked. Switch uses 20 per cent increase in bandwidth when it is in dock mode.
Not only that but Switch has trouble keeping the 30 fps so the resolution goes down from 1600x900 to 1440x810p in docked mode and from 1280×720 to 1152x648 in handheld mode to keep the frame rate smooth.
If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p in docked mode and to 1152x648 in handheld mode in order to keep a modest 30 fps frame rate.
And before anyone says that the Switch version is a rushed port, the Wii U version was finished one year before its release according to Nintendo, so they had been working on the Switch version for one year at the very least without adding any additional content.
Source:
www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2017-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-uses-dynamic-resolution-scaling
I took my switch to a friends yesterday , we had dinner and then the 4 of us played mario kart and sonic mania till the early hours , it's resulted in two of my mates ordering switch consoles this morning.
Although it's a great console, Nintendo is putting too much emphasis on multiplayer (MK8D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken) and I'm left wanting for another meaty adventure after BOTW that is not a 2D re-release or retro style game.
Large single player campaigns are way to sparse at the moment and I feel there is a trend of dev's coping out of them in favour of 'lazy' multiplayers - even Mario Kart STILL has very lazy single player in it's deluxe variant - when it was already a great multiplayer - and could desperately use a 'Mission Mode DLC'. Don't get me wrong I think Nintendo is doing wonders for local multiplayer in particular and I enjoy 2D retro or otherwise - but we need more 3D single player adventures - that are not ruddy turn based RPGs either. Thank goodness for Mario Odyssey.
Personally I think Nintendo should have pre-developed one more major large single player experience for the Switches launch - even the Yoshi game. Not enough seems to have been developed pre-launch by Nintendo imo - but I guess they are getting the now.
@jariw 1, 2, Switch was picked up at launch. I've enjoyed some smaller indie releases on the system, like Kamiko and Blaster Master Zero, but for the bigger retail releases there hasn't been much that's grabbed my interest yet.
A number of titles released on the system I already own elsewhere and have no intent to re-buy.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"Then let's talk about other issues. No Virtual Console, no browser, lack of significant 3rd party support, expensive, underpowered, expensive accessories, no apps, ports are more expensive than on other consoles, terrible battery life, limited cartridge size, no D pad, controller issues, ridiculous voice chat setup, puny internal memory, etc. It's a handheld with TV Out."
One question, how does "Neo Geo" not count as Virtual Console releases? The Neo Geo releases are cool, because setting them up on a PC can be tricky. It would be cool to have some VC titles on the go, but I usually only buy VC release for special reasons (Super Mario Advance 4 having eReader courses | Drill Dozer having Rumble | Advance Wars: Dual Strike - playing Nintendo DS games on the TV).
If you want a controller with a D-Pad, then buy a Pro Controller.
While I use my Xbox One for apps like YouTube & Netflix, it is embarrassing the Switch hasn't got these. However, I suspect they will get released later on.
I do agree the lack of Voice Chat is terrible. Although if that is a feature you are after, why buy a Switch? The Xbox One or PS4 would be more up your stream.
Rayman Legends on Switch is £25, compared to retail price (I think I paid £40 for the Wii U title on launch). Pokémon Tekken on the Switch is £40 (Wii U was £50 on launch, I paid £60 for game and controller). Shall I carry on?
I've been enjoying Zelda and Mario Kart. Hyped for Super Mario Odyssey and will probably pick up Pokken Tournament DX and Skyrim at some point.
The Switch has many flaws, but it's had some high points so far for sure.
@BlueOcean "Switch version has been "fixed" since launch, which doesn't mean that the Wii U could not have been."
It doesn't mean that the Wii U version could have been fixed either.
"but all they achieved was the same 30 fps and the same 720p resolution, 900p docked."
It also have smoother frame rates in the latest version. The difference is significant.
"If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p in docked mode and to 1152x648 in handheld mode in order to keep a modest 30 fps frame rate."
AFAIK, the Wii U version also uses a dynamic resolution feature. And how do you explain why Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Fast RMX run in 1080p60? It should go without saying that Nintendo cares a lot about Mario Kart 8, but the best they could achieve on the Wii U is 720p and 59 fps. They couldn't even make it run at 60 fps.
"And before anyone says that the Switch version is a rushed port, the Wii U version was finished one year before its release according to Nintendo"
This is not true. Nintendo never said that. The Switch version seems rushed. The frame rates are much improved after the release. Let's say what you said was true, it would mean that the Wii U version was fully developed.
"so they had been working on the Switch version for one year at the very least without adding any additional content."
One year is a very short time. Also, the Switch is still new even to Nintendo. While they should know everything there is to know about the Wii U since 2014.
Troll you guys is very simple.
@Zelda_Geek trolled
@MsgBoardGamer Exactly. Nintendo wanted to release Breath of the Wild as a Switch launch game. They would rush it if they had to, or they had to postpone the Switch launch, which was most likely not the option.
@NinNin
I didn't say that the Wii U version doesn't use dynamic resolution scaling, did I? So don't tell me "for your information" as if I was wrong. Sorry if my post annoys you or if other people are confusing you with lies.
Breath of the Wild uses dynamic resolution scaling all the way down to 1152x648 on Wii U and Switch in handheld mode and still you insist that Switch is twice as powerful than Wii U, when Switch in docked mode only has 20% more bandwidth than in handheld mode and also needs to downscale the game as explained above.
Mario Kart 8 DX is exactly the same game as the Wii U version. It doesn't have any antialiasing or higher resolution textures or anything, and the fps is the same. It's true that the Wii U version is 59fps but you don't believe it's because Wii U struggles to hit 60fps, do you? In that case the Wii U version would be 59-60fps.
The skipped frame on the Wii U version is because of the Mario Kart TV feature which was implemented incorrectly and thus they had to lock the game to 59fps and they didn't patch it.
Do you really believe that a bump in resolution from 720p to 1080p (720p in handheld mode) in Mario Kart 8, with the same fps, performance and graphic features proves that Switch is twice as powerful as Wii U?
Why then a new game like Mario + Rabbids is 30 fps and 1600x900, 1066x600 in handheld mode? Why not 720p in handheld mode and match the screen resolution? Are the visuals really that demanding? No, but it has to run at 1066x600 and it would probably run at 1066x600 on Wii U, as every analysis seems to reveal that Switch in handheld mode is more or less as powerful as Wii U. Breath of the Wild and Mario + Rabbids certainly prove this theory of "can't hit 720p" because the ideal resolution for handheld mode is 720p, the resolution of the Switch screen, and they can't hit that target. If docked mode is 20% quicker and it is, Switch (in docked mode) would be around 20% more powerful than Wii U.
Of course, I can't give you an exact ratio and that 20% is an approximation because they are different architecture and who can compare that accurately? Nobody, but that is also the reason why we can only judge Switch's power comparing its results to those on Wii U.
@BlueOcean "I didn't say that the Wii U version doesn't use dynamic resolution scaling, did I? So don't tell me "for your information" as if I was wrong."
You said this, "If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to drop the resolution to 1440x810p."
You might not mean it, but it seems you insinuated that the resolution dropping didn't occur in the Wii U version, otherwise why would you mention the resolution dropping at all?
Your could have said this instead: "If the Switch was twice as powerful as Wii U it wouldn't need to use the 900p resolution."
Mentioning the resolution dropping doesn't prove any point because it occurs on both versions, yet you mentioned it anyway, which is why I thought you might not know that the Wii U version also uses a dynamic resolution feature.
However, the only 900p resolution point has already been rebutted since the Switch version of Breath of the Wild has much smoother frame rates after the release.
The difference between 900p and 720p is 56.25%. The difference between 20 fps and 29 fps is 45%. So in total, the improvement is 101.25%. This is quite consistent with the estimation that the Switch is 2 times as powerful as the Wii U or 100% more powerful than the Wii U.
"when Switch in docked mode only has 20% more bandwidth than in handheld mode"
In docked mode, the GPU's clock speed can be doubled. The maximum clock speed of the GPU in docked mode is 768 MHz, whereas it is only 384 MHz in handheld mode. You can read this article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-new-performance-mode-boosts-handheld-switch-clocks-by-25-per-cent.
It's not only the memory's clock speed that can be increased.
If you use the memory's clock speed as your main argument, you won't be able the explain the difference between 900p and 720p resolutions, which is 56.25%.
@NinNin Hey, I never said that Wii U is more powerful, it is assumed in my comparison that I'm not trying to say that the Wii U version has any advantage at all. Yes, I could have written a more detailed explanation but that's why I included the link, because I can't rewrite the whole article, although I almost did. If I was hiding anything I would have not posted the link but I did. I used the exact resolution numbers every time to be as precise as possible.
The Wii U version is not 20fps LOL but I admitted that it runs poorly in the villages (like you say 20fps, probably worse) because it has never been optimised in any of the updates. If you read my comments you can see that I said that the villages have slowdowns but when you are in the field it's as good as the Switch version (30 fps), I know because I have played both versions. It looks like the optimisation process started in the open world and it makes sense because you are in there 90% of the time and they left the villages aside that are just four or five small points in the map. There's nothing really demanding in the villages, so I'm sure that they just didn't optimise them. Actually, it's the least optimised Nintendo game I've ever played (the Wii U version, I mean).
I just haven't been able to justify buying one, honestly, and when Nintendo moves on from the 3DS (read: Atlus), I probably will for a spell as well. The games I want to play right now are elsewhere, though I'm very happy that everyone has gotten so much joy from theirs. Not sarcasm.
@Nolan420 I don't know what you're talking about. I was trying to explain what I think he means. I don't know why you see that evil. Whatever...
@CorvoRevo You do realize that by simply posting your comment just to troll (which you’re not very good at, might I add) you are breaking the community guidelines, and now reserves me the right to report you?
@Zelda_Geek .... you have nothing better to do ? Its a month old post. Dude, get a life. Dont waste your time being an internet white-knight, nobody gives a [removed] about it.
@Zelda_Geek The post was made before the community rules got updated. If it happens again, he'll get a warning.
@CorvoRevo Please mind your language. And read our updated community rules.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE bit random and hopefully not weird....I’ve just arrIved in Sligo in a family tree exploration trip. If you are of drinking age and fancy it, I’d have a pint and say hello talk a bit of Nintendo.
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