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Ubisoft Executive Talks Up Super Smash Bros. as a Wii U System Seller

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

"I think that franchise could be magical"

Earlier this week Ubisoft made it clear that — in the foreseeable future — Watch Dogs will be the company's only "mature" game on Wii U. It's a decision that makes business sense due to Ubisoft's struggles with the system, as the company aims to release and target games that typically sell well on Nintendo hardware.

While it wasn't exactly a positive statement from the company's Yves Guillemot, Ubisoft is keen to emphasize that it's still supporting the Wii U. The publisher's European boss, Alain Corre, has been more optimistic in his tone around the system; he's emphasized that he thinks Just Dance 2015 will do well — Nintendo could do with some of the game's loyal fans switching up from Wii — while sharing a belief that one particular first-party game could galvanise the console.

To be honest, we always want more consoles. Just Dance 2015 is resonating very well. We think it will please a lot of [existing] Wii U owners and push more families to buy extra Wii Us. But we also believe that Super Smash Bros. will be a trigger to increase the momentum of the Wii U at Christmas. As a gamer, I was playing [Super Smash Bros.] over ten years ago, and it has some of the best moments that Nintendo has shared. I think that franchise could be magical [for the Wii U].

Nintendo has some of the best franchises in the world and it knows how to make great games. It proved that with Mario Kart, and it will prove that again with Super Smash.

Even if Ubisoft is limiting support to more accessible, family-friendly games, those sorts of titles could still be important for Nintendo in the Holiday season. We trust that if Smash Bros. does the job in shifting systems, meanwhile, that Ubisoft will release its game that's already finished.

[via gamesindustry.biz]

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Cooligan

#1

Cooligan said:

Wait...does Ubisoft think Just Dance will sell consoles? If so, they really need to think about what they're saying for a minute...

3DSfan134

#2

3DSfan134 said:

A typo there with the url. And also, definitely Smash is going to be a system seller for the Wii U and (possibly) the 3DS. This is the game that's been waiting for a long time. But Just Dance? No.

RainbowGazelle

#3

RainbowGazelle said:

I'm glad someone's not totally dissing the Wii U. Also, you may want to fix the link at the bottom of the page.

Punished_Boss

#4

Punished_Boss said:

Ah ha! Damage control! This can't be more than a coincidence that EA did the same after you know.

Well Just Dance clearly sells on Wii U otherwise it wouldn't be there, but a system seller pitted on the league of SSB U? Delusions.

Mega719

#6

Mega719 said:

All Nintendo games should be a system seller it isn't fair too the developers who put so much time and effort to make them great games just for them to sell little units. Why Just Dance? They don't assume Watch Dogs would be a good seller which makes sense since they haven't showed a single peice of footage directly from the console

Cyberbotv2

#8

Cyberbotv2 said:

It's looking increasingly likely that Super Smash will destroy the competition this holiday. I usually don't care much for the Smash games, but this is actually looking amazing. I have friends that buy consoles specifically for one game. None of them plan to update their PS3 or Xbox360 to their respective counterparts because of missing that big game. Specifically for my friends it's Halo 5. But SSB has these guys primed. I actually think Nintendo is building positive momentum. All of a sudden, I'm pumped about getting Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta, SSB, and whatever virtual console surprises moving forward. I might pick up Watch Dogs too, if the gamepad is utilized. Too many games!!

Samurai_Goroh

#9

Samurai_Goroh said:

Actually Zombi U is one of their best-selling games on Wii U and I don't think that one was rated E for Everyone.

Jazzer94

#11

Jazzer94 said:

Well I may buy Just Dance Ubisoft when it is sub £5 at my local supermarket that is, honestly support is effectively dead from Ubisoft for now.

TheWPCTraveler

#12

TheWPCTraveler said:

Well, I'd say that Just Dance 2015 will move Wii U shipments...if they bundle it at a reasonable price.
SSB U depends on how SSB 3DS does.

Mega719

#13

Mega719 said:

If 3rd parties put more effort in their M rated games ported to Wii U then in would do better on the market. Don't blame your decrease in success on the console

gatorboi352

#14

gatorboi352 said:

Smash won't sell as much or have as big an impact as MK8 though. And even MK8 couldn't jolt Wii U past 3rd place in monthly sales numbers.

MrGawain

#15

MrGawain said:

I wonder if Reggie and Iwata think the Crew will be a big game for Ubisoft?

Oh no wait, it's nothing to do with them so they wouldn't stick their noses in were it doesn't belong. Stop sucking up to us Wii U owners Ubi, you can't win us back by feigning interest in our 'non mature' console.

OmegaStar

#16

OmegaStar said:

If Ubisoft wants JD to sell on Wii U, they need to stop porting them to the original Wii. Give them a reason to upgrade!

Spoony_Tech

#17

Spoony_Tech said:

I've already had my rate on Miiverse about this. Just Dance 2015 sells 10 million systems worldwide and Ubisoft becomes Nintendo's Saviour! So much so that they help them create their next system. Of course it will include always online, no used games, and every games will have paid dlc. Just Dance 2018 will include 5 songs for the low price of 60$ with 80 available as dlc at launch all for the low low price of a 1.99$ each! :P

MoonKnight7

#19

MoonKnight7 said:

"Just Dance 2015 is resonating very well. We think it will please a lot of [existing] Wii U owners and push more families to buy extra Wii Us."

I think he just means Smash Bros. :P

I couldn't even tell you the last time I played Just Dance, I'm just so over it.

HyperSonicEXE

#21

HyperSonicEXE said:

Melee was a nice follow-up, but sterile, just like Mario Karts have gotten. SSB64 was "magical," but Brawl and so far this game (from what I can tell of the demo) are just...there. Hope the 1P modes do something wacky.

rjejr

#22

rjejr said:

I honestly believe Just Dance 15 could be a system seller IF they had done away w/ the Wii version. People are addicted, they would have updated for their fix - and it's not like there aren't other games on Wii U at this point, JD would Just Be the impetus for mom to OK dad buying a Wii U for the kids this holiday.

But as along they keep putting out Wii versions JD sells 0 Wii U.

The more articles about SSB including the word "Christmas" the more likely it releases after Christmas. ;-)

Hey Nintendo, give us a freakin' DATE already. Oh, and Bayonetta 2 also.

gage_wolf

#24

gage_wolf said:

These quotes from game industry insiders on the impending doom / success of Nintendo are always so strange... Just Dance, a system seller? Wha?

"Hey honey let's buy that wierd new Wii with the giant controller so we can... dance."

Kirk

#25

Kirk said:

People need to start waking up and smelling the coffee here.

Super Smash Bros Wii U will sell in decent numbers and I'm sure Wii U sales will spike for a little while but in the grand scheme of things it's not going to make any kind of major impact, just like Mario Kart 8 hasn't changed the Wii U's fortunes in any truly significant way either.

It's going to take more than a few decent games each year to suddenly turn the Wii U into a truly compelling system and indeed a success.

Ubisoft basically dropping all meaningful AAA support going forward, or so it seems, is the bigger news here because that's the kind of thing that's going to have a big impact on continued Wii U sales in the future, more so than churning out another Just Dance game or saying Super Smash Bros Wii U might make any kind of difference and that it could be "magical".

That's the cold hard truth that a lot of people need to start waking up to.

NintendoFan64

#26

NintendoFan64 said:

...Really? You think that Just Dance will be a system seller?...Okay then. At least it's not another accusation of Nintendo "killing the magic".

Wolfgabe

#27

Wolfgabe said:

It stupid enough to put Smash Bros and Just Dance in the same sentence. At least they are not entirely dissing the system

gage_wolf

#28

gage_wolf said:

@Kirk

I think you're probably right. I hope we're proved wrong and Smash really does amazing numbers, but historically Smash has sold quite a bit lower than Kart...I don't think history necessarily informs future trends but here's the Wii numbers:

Mario Kart Wii: 35.5 Mil
Smash Bros. Brawl: 12.5 Mil

That's a pretty huge difference. Are we assuming there are that many people who passed on Mario Kart, but are waiting for Smash?

Captain_Toad

#30

Captain_Toad said:

Heh, Way for Ubisoft to use the word "Magic" in the past 2 tweets. One unofficially and this one officially.

Kirk

#31

Kirk said:

@Dipper723

And I'm sure most Wii U owners and indeed Nintendo itself are hoping for a similar situation at this point in time because Mario Kart 8 certainly didn't address the systems current state of floppage particularly effectively and it's running out of tricks if Super Smash Bros Wii U doesn't do much better.

Next, Amiibo...

aaronsullivan

#32

aaronsullivan said:

Just Dance 2015 can help sell systems in that if it wasn't there it would be a serious detriment to parents thinking about upgrading for their kids. Not kidding either. Imagine if there were no Lego games or Just Dance on the Wii U. Sure, we may be into grander, deeper games but those simple fun games are important.

Parents need to know that when they are really buying the console to play Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario, and Zelda themselves that they can justify it with things that they think the kids will want. :D

aaronsullivan

#34

aaronsullivan said:

The Wii U has the potential of hitting critical mass this Holiday season. Sure, the big Nintendo games have been rolling out slowly for us ravenous fans, but if you haven't jumped in yet there is a bigger library of truly great games than the competition has. Games that can be played with friends and family of all ages, too.

Hopefully it hits the irresistible point once Smash and Amiibo join the others.

(You know what's awesome about Amiibo, adults are going to pick these up on a whim and just try it out. They look nice as a collector item and then they hold the promise of added functionality for many games. Going with SSB is genius in that they are enticing adults from the get go)

GuyWithTheGames

#35

GuyWithTheGames said:

i agree with them. it sucks that ubisoft's support has died down but they have point saying just dance will sell seeing they got rid of the wii version

Mega719

#36

Mega719 said:

Can't they use a word other than "magic" to address Nintendo? You can't use it in a negative statement to then use it in a positive statement expecting damage control

aaronsullivan

#39

aaronsullivan said:

@Mega719 @GuyWithTheGames @rjejr
Not releasing Just Dance 2015 for the Wii might help Wii U sales, but it's bad for immediate business and just mean. lol.

One nice thing about Just Dance for the Wii U is that it has the mode where someone uses the GamePad to direct the dance, judge, and draw squiggles. It's actually one of the better uses of the GamePad so at least it highlights a significant difference between versions.

sinalefa

#40

sinalefa said:

I find it funny that people are expecting MK8 to sell millions of Wii U in one month, when the franchise has always been a slow burn approach. 3DS did not improve overnight and with a single "killer app", so why should Wii U?

As for Just Dance, I will just pass.

aaronsullivan

#41

aaronsullivan said:

And for those ranting against his statement. You could paraphrase as "we believe in Just Dance and it will sell some, but Smash Bros. will additionally trigger a significant change in momentum." Try not to read into it too much. He's basically saying the outlook is good and they are happy to help.

Ubisoft just doesn't see the system as a place to sell mature games. There's a debate to be had there, but I don't see much to debate about in this particular statement.

The_Ninja

#42

The_Ninja said:

Ew, Ubisoft AKA EAsoft. Sick of their bullcrap now. Get off the Wii U, your making it dirty.

aaronsullivan

#43

aaronsullivan said:

@sinalefa
True about Mario Kart and I do wonder why sometimes. It's like the comfortable friend you can always turn to but you don't always think of inviting them to your party first. :D

Einherjar

#44

Einherjar said:

What is up with ubisoft employees and the word "magical" ?
They are the last dev whos games id call that seriously.
Well, ok, Rayman is a rare exception in their portfolio that isnt treated nearly as good as it should.

But if you look at it from another point of view: For UbiSoft, every game created with love, effort, dedication and attention to detail must look like witchcraft to them :P
So, i guess everything that doesnt come out of their sequel mashine must be magical ;)

@sinalefa We live in a day and age, in which you have multi million seller consoles without a proper backup library, and a console with plenty of fun to be had considered a faiure ;)
Of course we all should bank on the impossible here, as the standards the industry measures by are also quite impossible...

aaronsullivan

#45

aaronsullivan said:

@The_Ninja
Please, no. Child of Light and Rayman Legends are right up there with my favorites on the Wii U. They are awesome and I want those teams to keep bringing the awesome.

Boxmonkey

#46

Boxmonkey said:

Third party support on the Wii U is going to be crap from now on! I really can't see the Wii U surviving past next year.

Einherjar

#48

Einherjar said:

@Boxmonkey Care to explain why ?
As if UbiSofts games are the all or nothing software for the console.
I said it many many time before, but i buy a nintendo system for its unique exclusive first/second party software and i couldnt care less about random 3rd party stuff.
If i would be after that, i would have gotten a PS4...IF it had any software to speak of in the first place.

Boxmonkey

#49

Boxmonkey said:

@Einherjar I personally buy Nintendo consoles for first party games but the general public aren't really interested anymore, without third party support dedicated gamers won't buy a Wii U (not in huge numbers anyway) so my thoughts are that after Nintendo release all their titles like Zelda the Wii U will be at the end of its life cycle.

GameCube lasted just over 3 years and that was selling much better than the Wii U.

B3ND3R

#51

B3ND3R said:

This is either super fast backpedaling for recent statements, or at least one person at Ubisoft had an epiphany... Now, if you would please release those "new and original completed Wii U titles" that you won't sell because the "install base isn't big enough" even though it's bigger than XB1s....

Samurai_Goroh

#53

Samurai_Goroh said:

@Boxmonkey Nope, GameCube had a 5 year life cycle, from 2001 to 2006.
Nintendo consoles have at least 5 years of support. I don't expect a new Nintendo console until at least 2017.

Einherjar

#54

Einherjar said:

@Boxmonkey And yet, you hear people beg, cry and complain about the lack of GC games on the VC all over the place. The GC was a far better console than it was made out to be. And it had pretty solid 3rd party support.

The main issue with the WiiU is its bad press and people, who cant shut up for the life of me about what a "failure" it is, while actually, its doing quite good.
It would do far better, if people would stop bashing it and maybe even praise it for what it is.
Like i said, the two other consoles are selling like hot buns for...no particular reason at all. The library is pitiful, the consoles itself are rather uninteresting and the big hitters are still far off, all problems the WiiU gets flak for.

For me, its really a mystery why exactly, say, the PS4 is doing so exceptionally well.
The WiiU constantly gets accused for:

  • High initial price
  • No games
  • Gimmicky hardware
  • No 3rd Party support

Now look at the PS4 (or even the Xbone). Around here, they almost cost twice as much, game releases are even slower than the 3DS launch period, their main new features are all tacked on social media stuff and the 3rd party support is basicly the same as before: AC, CoD, BF, Fifa, NFS etc.

They have the exact same flaws and problems and yet, sell like crazy. Why ? THEY dont recieve constant bad press and their fanbase tend to be really dedicated instead of purely whiny and demanding, labeling everything not pleasing their personal taste as an utter failure.

The WIiU could be a super computer, reinvent the internet and could come bundled with a holo deck and still, it would be nintendo and would get badmouthed for not being sony.
As silly as it sounds, look around, thats the sad truth.

If the WiiU is dieing by anything, its the overall lack of support, not just by other devs, but its own, freakin fanbase, if you could still call it that.
If WE keep on whining about how grim things are instead of telling everyone how much fun that system actually is, this will never stop.

JuleyJules

#56

JuleyJules said:

Uh duh. How long did it take them to figure out SSB will be a system seller? Just Dance not so much.

sinalefa

#57

sinalefa said:

@Boxmonkey

I disagree. Dedicated gamers would have a Wii U and something else to get the best out of both worlds, so they won't care about third party games not coming to Wii U.

Besides, you make it sound as if Nintendo won't release more games than the ones they have already announced.

Kuhang

#58

Kuhang said:

Ubisoft can kiss my A** haha :D they're trying to make up for what they said previously and also a cheap attempt to sell their upcoming games for Wii U i.e. Watch Dogs and Just dance.I was on the verge but now just did it,I cancelled my Watch Dogs Pre-Order WooHooo Congrats Ubisoft :)

Boxmonkey

#59

Boxmonkey said:

I bought a wii u day one and I've never regretted it! All I'm saying is that without third party support the wii u has no real chance of being a massive seller. I don't know one person that owns one other than me and I don't know anyone planning on buying one.

A huge Nintendo fan so I'm
Not trying to bash them but can you honestly say that the wii u is not a failure? If it only sells 15 million units over its life is that acceptable to nintendo?

Einherjar

#60

Einherjar said:

@Kuhang See, and thats exactly why i think that pre-orders mean jack all ;)
Devs bath themselfes in champagne once pre orders rise through the roof and yet, they get cancelled left and right on a whim.
A friend of mine pre orders pretty much everything in sight and slowly canceled everything he lost interest in. Silly, but whatever ;)

gage_wolf

#62

gage_wolf said:

@Dipper723

Oh, interesting... Smash came out on top. But not by much...

It just feels like everyone just keeps passing the "This game will SAVE the Wii U" sentiment along as each title comes and goes and the sales have yet to skyrocket. MK8 did well, but not the kind of overwhelming win everyone was hoping for, and I feel as though it's appeal is a lot wider than Smash. We shall see.

Einherjar

#63

Einherjar said:

@Boxmonkey
1: Why does it need to be the top seller anyways ? Isnt it more important to aim for a break even ? The 3DS is the current money maker, and it does it in spades.
2: Why cant you convice your friends to buy a WiiU ? What does speak against it ? Since launch, i convinced 4 skeptics and got 3 more people who were considering one to buy a WiiU. Why ? We played it together. Simple as that.
A former coworker of mine even sold his PS4 to get a WiiU. The WiiU has more than enough arguments going for it, the trick is, to debumk its bad press as the nonsense that it is.

3: Why is 3rd party support so important ? Why do people get tied up on 3rd party support ?
IF SSB4 exceed all expectations and sells more copys than expeted and turns the tables around many times, is 3rd party support still so important ?
If the money is in the bank, what do you need UbiSoft for ?
It might happen, it might not. But using this as the sole argument against them is far to simple and narrow.

4. Why are YOU worried ? You told us, that youre here for the exceptionally good 1st party games. And you are getting them manyfolds. So whats YOUR reason for this gloomy outlook ?
Youre worried that it will turn out like the GC ? Guess what, they survived it, stronger than ever. There has to be something far more dangerous to get nintendo on its knees, trust me.
So ask yourself, why are you, a dedicated nintendo gamer and lover of their first party games, tooting grim outlooks into the world ?
Why not tell how good that stuff is you came for in the first place ?

Just imagine a friend telling you: "Man, you should get that new console, it has no 3rd party support and will probably die soon, but its awesome"
Sound weird right ? And THAT is the stigma that bringing the WiiU down at the moment.

Kuhang

#65

Kuhang said:

@Einherjar

Yeah instead I'm planning on Sonic Boom and Devil's Third and my wait for Bayonetta...Dammit the wait is killing me :p

Jahir

#67

Jahir said:

@Einherjar I think I love you... Well, not really but I like the way you see this "problem"

I'm making my part and tell everyone how awesome my WiiU is. And it comes out naturally since I really REALLY love this little machine.

Next week I'll probably play with some friends who only play FPS and I'm sure they'll have a different perspective after they play MK8, Pikmin 3, etc. we'll see

Gridatttack

#68

Gridatttack said:

I cant wait to see the numbers smash bros will bring in.
Im sure it will be really positive, since im just getting a wii U for smash bros and MK8 :P

kensredemption

#69

kensredemption said:

I think Nintendo might have Chuck Norris'd third party developers this holiday season. Ubisoft probably knew that releasing Watch_Dogs on the Wii U the same week MK8 came out wouldn't pan out well, same thing goes for trying to release the two new AC games alongside Bayonetta 2 and Smash. My budget only allows for 3 new games for the rest of the year, and none of the third party games are on that list. It's all Wii U exclusive.

StuOhQ

#71

StuOhQ said:

@Kirk I see SSB4 as more of a tipping point than as a solo-seller. Sure, I have friends who buy Nintendo consoles just for Smash, and wait for Smash before buying them. At the same time, the general public seems to operate more on game-climate than on single events.

MK8 moved some units, and console sales have growing globally since it's release (the U has outsold XBO for a few consecutive weeks now). Did it miraculously turn the Wii U into the number one contender? No. What it did do is shift public perspective on the U - there's a lot of marketing data to confirm this. People noticed MK8 and - in doing so - their attention was brought to the fact that Nintendo is finally building a decent offering on the U.

DK County: Tropical, Mario 3DW, Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, are all large profile first-party releases (none of which were really going to sell systems on their own). Once Mario Kart hit, those titles became extra incentive to buy a U, and no longer had to be the main driving force. Add to that a few existing 2nd and 3rd party offerings like Wonderful 101 - and Nintendo's upcoming slate of games including Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, and Captain Toad - and the lay of the land starts to shift.

Enter Smash Bros. 4.

Enter Amiibo.

Ubisoft is playing damage control because a lot of retailers, like Gamestop, are expecting a bit of a comeback for the U this holiday season. When you combine a growing consumer interest in a console due to back catalog with a few high-profile releases, one can easily predict that a little bit of financial "magic" may occur.

Everyone is expecting Smash to be a success. Many are predicting the same of the Amiibo line. These products don't have to sweep the world away in order to turn things around for the Wii U: the tide is already turning.

If Smash sells anything like MK8 (I'll reason it does, given that the current climate looks a lot like that of the old GCN days - where Smash actually topped Kart in sales), it will be just one more factor moving the Wii U's weekly totals up, up, and up.

Right now, the aroma of the "coffee" seems to indicate that the Wii U won't ever be the staggering success that the Wii was, but that it might just shape up to be a formidable third of the home console market if Nintendo keeps releasing quality software titles that catch the attention of everyday gamers... and maybe even convince some of the massive crowd of casuals from last-gen to make an upgrade.

Trikeboy

#72

Trikeboy said:

I'm gonna be honest, I don't see Smash Bros being a massive system seller. It will help, I'm not gonna deny that but at its core, it's a Nintendo fan service game. Most of the people who want to play Smash Bros probably already do own one.

midnafanboy

#73

midnafanboy said:

Oh my god ubisoft i'm getting really sick and tired of you talking abut nintendo and there system.You left remember nintendo's future shouldn't concern you anymore.But don't worry we still love just dance not mature games right ,cause we don't a sequel to zombiu or any of your franchises on the wiiu like assassins creed,homefront,Far cry and the sequel to watch dogs which is going to happen, Yeah wiiu owners don't like those games, we just like dancing.

Omarpixel9

#74

Omarpixel9 said:

What the heck is wrong with Ubisoft? If you want to have a good relationship with Nintendo then release some awesome games to the system. The Wii U is a powerful system and you cannot deny it.

rjejr

#75

rjejr said:

@aaronsullivan - "just mean"

Yeah, thats the problem isnt it, JD15 on Wii will sell millions (not in the mood to look it up) but Wii U will probably hardly sell at all. Wii U version WOULD sell a whole lot more w/o a Wii version but not even close to Wii levels.

Disney Infinty 2.0 doesnt have a Wii version, which is the real reason I think we got 1 free on Wii U, so people can migrate from Wii to Wii U and take their game with them.

Boy it would really upset all the fanboys if DI 2.0 turned out to be a system seller ;-)

Emblem

#76

Emblem said:

Why do people keep forgetting Smash is also on 3DS? The Wii U version will do maybe 3mil in its first year worldwide while the 3DS version will do maybe double.

WinterWarm

#77

WinterWarm said:

@midnafanboy @Omarpixel9

What the heck guys, Ubisoft has not left the WiiU! Honestly, you can't blame them for adjusting there strategy on WiiU, mature games didn't sell well on the system, it's makes PERFECT sense to stop releasing mature games on the system! Seriously, what is your argument against that?

I predict the WiiU version sells 1,000,000 units in the first few months, with the 3DS at 1,500,000 to 2,000,000.

@Emblem Thank you! It's freaking crazy.

Samurai_Goroh

#78

Samurai_Goroh said:

@WinterWarm Mature games don't sell on the Wii U. Except that Zombi U has sold about 700,000 much more than Just Dance and Rabbids Land. But that's clearly "E for Everyone" material.

midnafanboy

#79

midnafanboy said:

@WinterWarm Like i said before their only releasing just dance for the wiiu and that port of watch dogs.That's it after watch dogs is released for the wiiu, then it's over they left. And like @Samurai_Goroh said and many people said Zombiu sold more than just dance and rabbids land.It sold well for a buggy,last gen graphics and no online multiplayer game.And that's a mature game what's your argument against that?But really i don't know what are you talking about but please can you do more research about stuff, then just blurt out anything that comes in your mind.

midnafanboy

#81

midnafanboy said:

@Punished_Boss That's a BS reason they gave cause like i said Zombiu sold well for a buggy, and last gen graphics game. And i know damn well it didn't cost a lot to make the game and maybe if they cared.They would have made a sequel and it could have been a hit if they improved all the mistakes they did with the first one.But that will never happen, and that's sad.

KikReask

#82

KikReask said:

Ubisoft: "I think that franchise could be magical"

Yeah certainly, but I think Ubisoft would consider Smash Bros more magical if it was completely milked for all it's worth annually. I mean, c'mon Nintendo, Ubisoft is releasing it's 7th and 8th main Assassin's Creed this year, why isn't Super Smash Bros being milked annually?

Sir_JBizzle

#83

Sir_JBizzle said:

@Emblem

"Why do people keep forgetting Smash is also on 3DS?"

Probably because we're on the topic of the viability of the Wii U. I think there's a foregone conclusion among everyone that Smash 3DS will do extremely well.

@StuOhQ Well said. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii U gave Sony and Microsoft a run for their money this holiday season. As it stands Nintendo has the stronger library and backlog. Unless you like the CoDs, ACs and Maddens, there's not a whole lot on the table for either one this holiday.

Like @Einherjar said, it takes a shift in perception for people to latch on to the Wii U. Though not so much the fanbase, but the media and retailers like GameStop. I don't need a their employees telling me "I'm not much of a Nintendo guy" when I go to buy something Nintendo related or I happen to have a Link or Mario shirt on. They should start selling the reasons why Wii U would be a great purchasing option, especially to those who may have an XB1 or PS4. As @sinalefa stated, it's a great console for a core gamer to have alongside one of the other 8th gens. And really, if played right, it's not really a bad place for Nintendo to be or a horrible strategy as long as it brings them profits and keeps them in the black.

markybbop

#85

markybbop said:

I still think nintendo need a big action packed FPS with online multiplayer, people will instantly think Devils Third but that looks pretty poor and I think they can do alot better. I also think they should seriously look into a fun style football game similar to mario super striker, If there is no FPS or sports games I think people will still avoid

Shadowkiller97

#86

Shadowkiller97 said:

I think that people expecting SSB to do worse than MK8 are making the same mistake that everyone accuses Nintendo of making; comparing Wii U to Wii. Yes, MK Wii sold triple the amount SSBB sold, but that was on the "casual" console. Wii numbers exploded because non-gamers were buying Wiis. To those consumers Mario Kart is more accessible than SSB. However the landscape has vastly changed now. Casuals no longer buy consoles. You need to stop using Wii numbers to prove that MK is bigger than SSB.

So I do think SSB will sell consoles better than MK8. I think even Nintendo is expecting this. They gave SSB the holiday launch. SSB had a Nintendo Direct even before MK8 did. It gets screenshots and
info revealed constantly for over a year. And at E3 and comic-con, there were broadcasted Smash tourneys not MK8.

aaronsullivan

#87

aaronsullivan said:

@rjejr
It's just not Ubisoft's job to make a console succeed. It's not a risk they can take as a software publisher. I honestly feel for these big publishers because the market is so fickle and the budgets have gotten so ridiculously high on these games. I'm not discounting any of the faults of the big guys and it's much worse — more volatile — for the individual studios, but you really can't blame them for refusing to go under with a console. In the end, if the Wii U fails selling mature titles the best business decision is to have less invested there.

(It's not exclusive to Nintendo consoles either, studios are pulling exclusivity from future XB1 titles because of it's performance compared to PS4)

On Just Dance, If you make a game for Wii and Wii U, you can know how much of a return you will get on the investment. If you scratch off the Wii it turns into hope that you get a return. Which is a great thing, but not something to run a company on.

Honestly, Ubisoft paid their dues to the Wii U. They had a strong third party presence with new (rushed) games for the launch. The others were all ports. They tried harder than anyone. It cost them and the Wii U still floundered. It's easy for us to look at the Rayman debacle and think we had the better plan, but it was a big risk and a sacrifice from a company that already lost the same bet. I still think having Rayman as an exclusive would have helped sell consoles, but enough to make it more profitable for Ubisoft in the long run? Not so sure.

As for Disney Infinity 2.0 I think the big difference is that the Wii version was already gimped and far more work than supporting the Wii U version. Removing the Wii version removes a huge amount of optimization just in the assets alone and rebalancing, etc. It's a very different story from Just Dance, IMO.

BTW, the description for free Disney Infinity on Wii U outright says it's for owners of the Wii version. There are other benefits, but you don't have think you are right, you are right. :D

evosteevo

#88

evosteevo said:

System seller or not, I still think the Wii U is like caviar for retro gamers. I don't expect it to be the top seller. The gamepad is a blessing for me. I usually play games on a 3D DLP projector so that little gamepad saves me lamp hours all the time. On top of that the screen is OLED, so the image quality is fantastic. Bright whites, deep darks, I just don't understand where the hate for the gamepad comes from.

Raptor78

#89

Raptor78 said:

To me certain games like the Just Dance series, are nice to get hold of for the system of your choice when they hit the right price point and if your in the mood. In no way is Just Dance a system seller on ANY system.
Zombi U should have been a system seller but because the wiiU came out a year earlier than its competition a lot of people (including myself) waited on to see what Sony and Microsoft had to offer. As soon as I decided to pick up a wiiU, Zombi U was one of the first games on my list but at that time it had been out since launch and only had a low price on it. I can see why Ubisoft have made their choices but im sure that now the system is picking up speed Mature titles will sell (if they arnt gimped and have non of the DLC of other system).
Just Dance - Not a system seller. Smash Bros. definitely a system seller for those fans who didnt pick one up for MK8 or even earlier. Rayman would have been a great exclusive and could have sold systems. It is the best version of it but Ubi decided to go multiplat :(

Blue-Thunder

#90

Blue-Thunder said:

@Boxmonkey
I also buy Nintendo consoles for first party games only. I have to disagree with you on one point though. Dedicated gamers buy Nintendo consoles, not the other way round. The masses buy Playstation and Xbox.

Nothing wrong with Playstation, but if your a dedicated gamer and you haven't got a Nintendo your not really a dedicated gamer are ya?

Raptor78

#91

Raptor78 said:

@evosteevo
I couldnt have put it better myself. Its Saturday night. They family are watching the TV, but I can keep on playing on the fantastic gamepads screen.

aaronsullivan

#93

aaronsullivan said:

@Emblem @WinterWarm
The numbers of 3DS consoles in-hand is so much higher than Wii U you could be right about higher sales of Super Smash Bros. but don't forget that the fans of that particular game are old people. The nostalgia is for the TV screen with your buddies huddled around it, not staring at a dinky screen all alone.

If the 3DS sales double the Wii U sales it's a great thing because it probably means that Nintendo is winning over a new generation of kids to the franchise, but don't discount the old people. :D

Nintendo wants the old people to buy a 3DS and a Smash Bros game in October and then yearn for the real experience and buy a Wii U and Smash Bros in time for the Holidays. Plus, Nintendo wants all the young people to realize how much more satisfying it will be to actually see (in clarity) the battle they are fighting and then get save up or convince their parents to buy into the Wii U (and double dip on Smash Bros.).

I think the old people will opt to skip the 3DS version, though. :/

/hyperbole

Tritonus

#94

Tritonus said:

@3DSfan134

I bought a 3DS for Smash. I've had it now for a few weeks. The fact that one person (me) bought a 3DS for Smash has already made it a system seller.

However, I did buy a bunch of amazing games for it which is keeping me MORE than busy during the wait.

Einherjar

#95

Einherjar said:

@Jahir Well then, i go and arrange the wedding :P
But in all honestly, day in day out people are complaining about how bleak and hopeless the situation is.
A moment later, all are swallowed up in hype for SSB4, Bayo 2, Hyrule Warriors and co. So...what is it ? Is it a doomed mashine, ready to sing its final song, or is it the systemthat will get this exclusive game, that makes them go crazy ?
What overall picture does this send out ? Its not about believing in the system, or being hopefull. Its about fun.
Are you having fun ?
If yes, why are people whining then ? Why nor relish the fun they are having ?
If no, what is wrong ? Why arent they having fun ?
As a fun fact, most people owning a WiiU will tell you THAT they are having fun, loads of it. The people who regretted their purchase are few and i can perfectly understand their decision :) Theres no problem with that at all.

But why are people who enjoy the system so dedicated to find every little flaw, bring it to the surface and dwell on it for days and days, with hundrets of lines of comments, blog entries and whatnot ?

If the people most here call "Sony / MS Fanboys" can stand behind their system, no matter how shitty is may be (im refering to the sane ones, not the name calling idiots), why cant we ?
Is having loads of fun not an argument FOR a console any more ? Arent you allowed to tell people how good a system is, if it doesnt come with super computer tech on board ?

A few months back, i had a couple of friends around. We usually play many hours of Monster Hunter 3U, but Mario Kart 8 was out, so we had a "short" romp at that...that lasted for every track the game had to offer.
But guess what game was it, that delivered the most fun...
It was Game&Wario...yes, the game that NO ONE has on their radar. We played the games version of pictionary and had the biggest blast ever with our gaming marathons.
After that, we played Nintendo land....for hours. Also a game, many toss away as a shoddy tech demo.
The system and its games are so much fun with friends around and yet, deliveres loads and loads of other games you can enjoy if youre alone.
So whats so wrong about it ? Since when is fun dependant on technical specs ?

Alucard83

#96

Alucard83 said:

This is simply very clear to me. I'm sure the executive did hear about the negative comment regarding the Mario Kart DLC. Suddenly we get a positive feedback???? It's all about business and Ubisoft knows even if they don't like the system very much they can't dish it since they might still do business with Nintendo. It's all about money dears don't fall into the trap!

IceClimbers

#97

IceClimbers said:

@Einherjar This. You hit the nail right on the head. Our poor support of the Wii U is what's bringing it down more than anything else. When it's own fanbase can't get behind the system and support it, what message does that send to others?

The first thing that NEEDS to stop is us dismissing a game based upon it's ability to sell the system. We need to stop expecting a single game to be some "holy savior" that will magically make the system fly off the shelves. Seriously people, stop. It will take a combination of games, both upcoming and the back catalog, to sell the system.

Second thing that needs to stop is us Wii U owners attacking 3DS owners. Why is it that Wii U owners will beg for 3DS games like Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate and Kid Icarus Uprising to come to Wii U, yet whenever 3DS owners ask for something on Wii U to come to 3DS (ie GBA games on VC), Wii U owners bash them to hell and back? That double standard NEEDS to stop.

I think it's time for an operation to get the Nintendo fanbase, specifically Wii U owners, to raise awareness about the positives of the system and to quit being so negative. Got any name suggestions? "Operation ____"

Einherjar

#99

Einherjar said:

@IceClimbers Operation "Stop being a D***head" probably.
But in all seriousnes, youre absolutely right.

The bipolarity is getting out of hand. Remember the time during the WiiUs launch, when every one just begged for everything to be released on the WIiU because the 3DS "already got enough attention" ?
Now that its the case, its suddenly wrong ?
For instance, if GBA games dont belong on a television, why was the GBA Player invented ? Why was it bought ?

Also, youre right about the magic "System seller". Its rediculous to bank on a single game. Its neither possible nor is it reasonable. The whole library so far is pretty good. Why neglect all that ? Why reduce it to the "Mario Kart od Smash" mashine, when there is so much more ?

@Punished_Boss Why not ? People can do it with other systems too, why is it frowned upon when WiiU fans do it ?

Punished_Boss

#100

Punished_Boss said:

@Einherjar Let me reiterate "nothing is perfect." People do what you're suggesting with all systems, you and @IceClimbers just did the same for Wii U, just now.

If you two think Wii U has no negatives, then thats fine, I won't condemn you. If you actually want to start an positivity only operation then more power to you! But don't sit there and tell me other systems don't get their share of negativity in place of full positivity. Cause thats just bull.

Einherjar

#101

Einherjar said:

@Punished_Boss I think you missed the point of what we said entirely.
Its not about donning rose colored glasses and pretend the world is just peachy.
But i never heard and outcry about the #PS4drought or #XboneDLCRippoff etc. But with the WiiU, its suddenly a major problem ?
All the fanbase is doing is nitpicking, and blowing these problems up into gigantic failure bubbles.
No one said its perfect, what we said was, that nintendo fans especially are exaggerating to no end and keep dwelling on issues, that arent really issues at all. Were just discussing whats wrong, what isnt right, how bleak it looks, how doomed they are.
I never heard that about other systems, did you ? Did you hear such a mass of outcrys about the lack of software for the PS4 ? I didnt, why ? I have no god darn clue.

Punished_Boss

#102

Punished_Boss said:

@Einherjar "Aren't really issues?" Lies. In case the below is too much information, heres the takeaway: Wii U and PS4/X1 aren't even remotely in the same situation.

Thats because there is no drought on PS4 or X1. Theres third and first party support. Thats because those two systems aren't doomed (they're doing better than predecessors).

The Wii U isn't even outdoing Gamecube or even in the same world as its actual predecessor. Nintendo said its not meeting expectations. There was (and still is) a drought on Wii U. Why? Because Nintendo is managing two systems by themselves. There is little to no third party support. Combine those factors and thats why there was an major outcry. You still have to wait months for the next Nintendo title on one platform in comparison to other platforms where third party titles are a buffer until first party arrives. Wii U is the focus in 2015, so for 3DS owners well they'd make do.

Einherjar

#104

Einherjar said:

@Punished_Boss Yup, you didnt get the point even a bit. Sorry to hear that.
But im not going to repeat myself again.
Its not about the issue at hand, its about how and why it got there.
and "Thats because there is no drought on PS4 or X1" neither is there one on the WiiU.
But id be interested in the plathora of games these systems have to offer, really, maybe if even buy one of them then.

Punished_Boss

#105

Punished_Boss said:

@Einherjar I've covered that point in my first two responses. I just told you how and why it got there.

If you don't know about the games coming to PS4/X1 then you just proved you don't know the situation regarding those two platforms and this whole 'why hasn't the other platforms gotten outcry' is an exercise in futility.

Einherjar

#106

Einherjar said:

@Punished_Boss "about the games coming to PS4/X1" Yes, comming to, not already there yet. That was a MAJOR problem with the WiiU, remember ?
The media told everyone not to buy the system until its games are out.
And yet, people swarmed the PS4 even without these games already available.

IceClimbers

#108

IceClimbers said:

@Punished_Boss We're not saying to ignore the negatives. There are flaws and areas that can be improved. Constructive criticism is good when necessary. We're saying that all of us need to stop blowing the negatives out of proportions and actually talk about the positives of the system far more often. We keep giving the system a negative stigma that's turning people away from the system.

Saying that the fanbase doesn't blow all of the negatives out of porportions and then continues to dwell upon them would be an absolute lie. There's countless articles where the comment section does this on this website alone.

If people would actually talk about the positives more often - and where they are more likely to be read (ie not 95% exclusively in forums), then it would give off a much more positive vibe to others and they'll be much more inclined to consider buying the system.

@Captain_Toad lol

@Einherjar Pretty much. Have you heard of Operation Platinum?

Punished_Boss

#109

Punished_Boss said:

@Einherjar We're heading back and forth. There are games available and coming to PS4/X1, which include first and third party support. Its the same for Wii U minus third party. That is one of the reasons its a major problem.

First Party support for Wii U thus far is Donkey Kong in Feb and MK8 in May, you don't see a gap?

Einherjar

#110

Einherjar said:

@IceClimbers Nope, havent heard of it and still, im part of it already :P Ill probably even buy multiple copys just for collection purposes and a good friend of mine is getting a WiiU just for that game.
So yeah, quite possible ;)

Einherjar

#111

Einherjar said:

@Punished_Boss For whom ? Why is this a major problem ?
Because the mainstream media says so ?
I havent had a problem with it and ive read that countless of others didnt too.
Why is it a problem not to have AC, Fifa, CoD etc ?
If you like them and consider them system seller, get the system they are on, end of discussion.
If you like Nintendo games, buy / stick with your WiiU, also, end of discussion. Its as easy as that. Stop making a fuzz about it and it stops being a fuzz.It isnt the first Nintendo system living only on exceptional first party games that havent been rivaled ever since.
I dont see the problem youre talking about.

Rezalack

#112

Rezalack said:

Just give us a Zombi U 2 when there is a big enough install base. That's all I ask, Ubisoft.

IceClimbers

#115

IceClimbers said:

@Einherjar Awesome! I'm planning on buying a copy, though I'm not sure if my budget will allow it on day one. Will pick it up at some point though!

For those that don't know, Operation Platinum is a movement created to show Ubisoft and other devs that mature titles can sell well on Nintendo consoles (Wii U in this case) by getting as many people as possible to buy Bayonetta 2. The goal is to get the game to surpass 1 million sales. It's an ambitious goal that, while unlikely to happen, is not impossible.

Even if it doesn't change anything in regards to the third parties, at the very least it can make Nintendo want to fund Bayonetta 3. It would also show Nintendo that we want them to fund more of these kinds of games. Bayo 2 and Devil's Third are great starts.

Einherjar

#116

Einherjar said:

@Punished_Boss What is calling the PS4s library "Not a drought" then ? Isnt it the same ? 90% of its current titles are available on its predecessor.
But like you said, were running in circles here.
Im getting exactly what i came for with the WiiU, so i have no reason to whine about anything.

And if im the ignorant one, does that make you the cynical pessimist and naysayer ?

Punished_Boss

#117

Punished_Boss said:

@Einherjar So they are titles on PS4? Okay thanks! Was never exclusively referring to exclusives. I was referring to games and exclusives, not just exclusives.

You can't base that on anything, like i said there are positives and negatives to Wii U, don't fault me because i'm not one sided to your cause. The ignorance comment was made because i explained in great detail what the problem was and your solution was to stop making a fuzz after you asked why doesn't PS4/X1 get outcry.

VIIIAxel

#120

VIIIAxel said:

We all know that Just Dance 2015 will be the Game of the Year, everyone! Who cares about Smash Bros when you can Just Dance?

sinalefa

#121

sinalefa said:

@IceClimbers

I plan to get it day 1, as I did with W101, but I did not know there was an Operation for it. That would have fit the latter as a glove, since its stages are called Operations. Thankfully Nintendo is including an enhanced port of the first one, so you get a lot of bang for your buck.

JarredBuzzo

#122

JarredBuzzo said:

I might be wrong, I can't help but think the "finished game" from Ubisoft is Watch_Dogs. Can't make too many guesses on what else it would be, AC doesn't make sense since it would imply the others have been finished for some time and they're sitting on those, too.

SockoMario

#123

SockoMario said:

@tJudast How--what?!?!? HOW? It's just a trophy! Pac-Man, Sonic, and Mega Man ruin the magic too, right?

trophy = the game loses its magic

I just... I... I have no words right now.

Hotfusion

#124

Hotfusion said:

@Punished_Boss
Yes, there are positives and negatives. Nintendo has created a niche slice in the gaming industry which is based on cartoony art styles and fun. As long as there is a big enough market for Nintendo games the company will be profitable. Yes, they have been losing money but things should get better.
Because Nintendo is owner of both the software and hardware the income is more significant than third parties who split the monies with Sony/MS.
Nintendo's unique status also gives them the freedom to implement ideas
Iike amiibo which might just turn out to be a money printer.

The main negative against the wii u is that there are far more options with the PS4 and XB1.
From sports sims to shooters to entertainment.
Drought or no drought the reality is that next year the number of software titles on those consoles will be far superior to that of the wii u which had a year's headstart.

If I was to market the wii u this is how I would promote it.
"The wii u is a great console to have on its own. The wii u is also a great companion to sit next to your PS4 or XB1 under your TV".

Action51

#125

Action51 said:

Remember what I said? Ubisoft is becoming EA jr?

Yeah...I'm getting sick of these so called professional bigtime publishers talking out of both sides of their mouths...especially to note that they won't be bringing "mature" titles to the Wii U and adding to the stigma and public perception of the WIi U as a "kiddie console" that is hurting it's sales.

Is Smash Bros. "mature" or is it something all ages can enjoy? It's almost like they know who they have to pander to if they want to sell their annual franchises...insecure kids who want to be perceived as not being kids!

How about you just bring ORIGINAL, GOOD, and COMPLETE PORTS of games to the Wii U and see how they do?

But that's okay Ubisoft, I refuse to buy your games on Wii U and PC until you start treating gamers like me with respect. I know my lack of contributions are a drop in the ocean, but I'm sure I'm not the only one both bored with your games and annoyed at your treatment of me as a consumer.

midnafanboy

#126

midnafanboy said:

@Action51 Ubisoft games on PC? That's a bad move each port they make for the PC is filled with terrible frame rate issues even if your PC is strong. Doesn't matter the port is going to be terrible especially when they make PC users install that U play thing to play Watch dogs and it's terrible.All i'm saying don't even try to play ubisoft games on PC, you will be disappointed and feel that you got ripped off.

JudgeMethos

#127

JudgeMethos said:

@Cooligan they're just tryin not to burn any bridges. If the Wii U does end up picking up steam, then they can start dropping an extra game or two on the Wii U because of a larger install base. So, it seems to me they want to save face if it does in fact make a turnaround.

Dodger

#128

Dodger said:

Ubisoft is noisy.

I have no real confidence that SSB4 will "save the Wii U". Melee is a dang good game that is still played today, and it is among the best selling games on that system, but it didn't exactly save the system. It still is remembered as a system that sold poorly. Brawl sold around 10,000,000, I think. I would guess around 5 to 8 million copies from Sm4ash. A solid selection of first party titles won't hurt, but what helped the Wii and what the Wii U needs isn't a sequel. Nintendo can make a game that makes normal people want the Wii U in their homes again.

QuickSilver88

#131

QuickSilver88 said:

Ok I am a multiplatform gamer and own and play them all. Lets just get one thing straight and that is there is damned little worth specifically owning a ps4 or xb1 for at this time. So you can say there us no drought but what is really there to validate a purchase? Their time will come but honestly 2015 looks better for WiiU. The system already has a lot of great and unique games and it is te only system that gives you a truly diferianted experience. So in other words have a WiiU and either a ps4/xb1/pc and you will get to play just about everything out there.

IceClimbers

#132

IceClimbers said:

@sinalefa Yeah the Operation started a couple days ago, and is gaining traction today, especially on Twitter. Youtuber Doctre81 started it. JP Kellams from Platinum Games has tweeted about it and supports it, and has said that if someone sends him an Operation Platinum t-shirt he'll wear it at TGS. Even BLACKB0ND is supporting it.

creative92

#133

creative92 said:

Here's something that breaks the magic: too many annual Assassin's creed games. Once the ship sailed on the Ezio story, everything just lost it's magic.

HyperSonicEXE

#134

HyperSonicEXE said:

@MagicEmperor
Nice try, but triumphant pose denied!
Relatively speaking, SSB64 is more colorful and wackier than Brawl and Melee! Even the endings to the 1P Mode had personality.
Melee's Adventure Mode was a tour of sorts, and Brawl's SSE was a bit heavy-handed. Additionally, those games' graphical presentations were not nearly as cartoonish, opting instead for detail and pseudo-realism.

theBluntKnight

#136

theBluntKnight said:

oh right, so ubisoft are gonna play the old wait and see. If smash bros sells consoles to their liking then they'll grace the wiiU with this mystery game that they've been holding back all this time.

Hmmm I wonder if anybody will even care by the time they release it, if they even release it at all.

Somehow I have this feeling that they'll just recode it for PS4, nobody will buy it and they'll find some convoluted way to blame that on Nintendo, because yknow it's what all the cool kids are doing these days.

Henmii

#137

Henmii said:

Why not supporting Nintendo again, Ubisoft? I liked Rayman legends very much, and I'm currently enjoying Child of light. Would love to play that Ubi-art war game. And the upcoming Beyond good and evil 2.

Though I must say I understand their choice. It doesn't seem like their games sell much on Wii u sadly. I don't think we'll ever see Watchdogs on Wii u.

As for Smash brothers magic: I know people will hate this comment, but the new Super smash doesn't look very magical to me. To me it looks like a very safe sequel with many rehashed character-models and slight graphical improvement. And the 3DS version just looks terrible, graphics-wise. I would have liked much more wild ideas (like underwater stages, anti-gravity, etc). Don't get me wrong, I still think the game will be fun and I certainly buy it. But I think they could have done much more to stir up the franchise. Oh, and where's King Rool?

Action51

#138

Action51 said:

@midnafanboy - Oh I am well aware of Ubisoft's record on PC.

As someone who is a PC and Nintendo gamer, I have 2X the reason to be disgruntled with Ubisoft.

Geonjaha

#139

Geonjaha said:

@Einherjar - An employee used the word to express his own opinion and 300 blind mice Nintendo fanboys denounced Ubisoft and all their games. They probably thought the word brought out something special in people.

@Kuhang - One single employee stated a valid opinion on a specific Nintendo game and you're not going to buy one of their games because of that? The company didn't even support the statement. Talk about childish spite.

And to all those screaming "Damage Control" - Well of course they needed to do this. They're dealing with a bunch of irrational fans who got upset by one guy who forgot to use his own Twitter account. Just take a look at the train wreck that is the previous topic on this matter - people forget to actually read the article before they bring out their branded pitchforks.

GreatPlayer

#140

GreatPlayer said:

I do not think it is necessarily Ubisoft fault - even Nintendo own employees have disseminated bad messages against Nintendo. ("The name Wii U is bad" - remember?)

But I do not care too much about Ubisoft game. Rayman Legends is shorter than Rayman Origin. I actually think Just Dance series is fun, but Wii U does not have a camera to track your moves (and thus you just need to dance with your hand.)

I do feel sorry for Ubisoft for spending so much resource on Zombie U and the sales did not really pick up. If I like horror games I would definitely buy it.

Kirk

#141

Kirk said:

@StuOhQ

I think all of this "shifting public perception" stuff is an illusion that only hardcore gamers who come on gaming websites every day would even perceive.

The general public gives as little a sh*t about Wii U now as it ever has imo and I don't think Smash Bros is going to change that. Maybe Amiibo has a slight chance but only if Nintendo absolutely nails that whole approach and given Nintendo's track record of late I wouldn't put money on that happening to be honest.

I'm just not very optimistic about the Wii Us future and Nintendo simply isn't doing enough to turn that around imo.

Einherjar

#142

Einherjar said:

@Geonjaha Maybe see the broader picture instead of isolating this case.
UbiSoft in general, be it publicist, devs, merketing people, ceos, whatever tend to change their opinion depending on where the sun stands.

If its ok for this Ubi employee to state his opinion, why isnt it ok for some people to say "i dont like that, i wont support them" ?
Isnt that biased ? Its the basic system of action and reaction.
We, the consumer, have no other way than to express our opinion that to vote with our wallets.
If a consumer thinks that he had enough of Ubis mood swings, that he thinks that Ubis focus on their dance game isnt right or that he simply doesnt like their opinion in general, why is it right to stop supporting them ?

If not buying their games anymore is a valid option for them, they would have bought their games only to support them anyways and not because hes a dedicated fan of them.

Geonjaha

#143

Geonjaha said:

@Einherjar - Oh please. If Ubisoft had actually done something significant to turn consumers off in these last couple of articles I would agree, but all we have is a bunch of people complaining about irrelevant details.

Of course its fine for any consumer to stop supporting a company, but when you're actually boycotting their games when you planned on buying them, and your reason is based on;
1) Man tweets opinion on wrong account; company even states it isn't their view
or
2) Company praises a Nintendo game
upsetting you, then its ridiculous. No one should be letting things as silly as this get to them - it's laughable at best. Tragic at worst.

Honestly as soon as the first article was published people jumped straight into defence mode for no good reason. The amount of comments that are simply insults directed at Ubisoft or childish comebacks is mind boggling. I mean, at least wait until they actually mess up to overreact to things.

Einherjar

#144

Einherjar said:

@Geonjaha And you complain about the complaints. It cant be that irrelevant then. They have their opinion, you have yours.
Whos in charge of saying whos opinion is woth more ?

Geonjaha

#145

Geonjaha said:

@Einherjar - People have the right to their own opinions and choices about who to boycott. I have the right to point out why boycotting Ubisoft over something they didn't even say is a stupid idea. I think that people overreacting to something that isn't even relevant to the company in question is a waste of time. If you don't agree with that then you make your own choice. I would have thought this goes without saying.

Kuhang

#146

Kuhang said:

@Geonjaha

What one single employee are you talking about bro? Ok,Now you should know few things. When that one employee opens his mouth on the official Ubisoft page with Millions of followers that one employee is representing the whole of Ubisoft, He is talking on the behalf of the Company.How can you say his statement is valid? It's just an opinion, Just like the way i argue that his statements are not valid.

You should also know few basic things. A company upsets me, I turn my A** on them,Thats how you lose a customer. If you didn't know, You just got enlightened haha :D .What do you expect us to do (or atleast me) ? No matter what a company does you keep shoving Money up their A** ??? IDK maybe you're that kinda sheep.

Shambo

#147

Shambo said:

Zombi U was a fantastic game, and I still don't get how so many reviewers didn't get it. Did it have some flaws? Sure. But did it deliver an adrenaline rush now and then, tense atmosphere,...? Hell yeah.
Rayman Legends was best on the Wii U as well, and one of my all-time favourite 2D platformers.
Just Dance is like... Just that, dance. Fun in groups, but a system seller? When available anywhere? Let Smash Bros sell the systems, Ubisoft, and focus on a second Zombi U, or a third Red Steel...

IceClimbers

#148

IceClimbers said:

@Kirk You do realize amiibo can't take off if Smash doesn't take off, right? Amiibo will never be successful unless the games it works with are successful. That success runs primarily off of Smash. Other wise people will just buy the amiibo and skip over the Wii U entirely.

akaDv8R

#149

akaDv8R said:

It makes me laugh. Have Ubisoft looked at the XB1 sales of late? Nearly 2.6 million BEHIND Wii U, and at the rate they are selling, will not overtake. So, if it is a numbers game, Ubisoft, you need to re-check. Also, with 2-3 CEO jumping ship from Microsofts console division, and Warner Bros. coming in with a massive bid for the franchise, I predict within a year, Microsoft will have sold off their Xbox franchise. It has taken some time (too long), but slowly, Nintendo are finally putting some of their, as of now 19 billion dollors in reserve to good use. Instead of leaving it in the bank earning MASSIVE interest, they are doing what I, and many others have said for a long time. Approach 3rd p[arty companies, and offer to publish their titles, thereby off-setting a lot of the cost to the devs.

akaDv8R

#150

akaDv8R said:

@Geonjaha To be fair though, that view from that guy at Ubisoft could be the view of quite a number at the company. If so, those members are hardly going to put in the max effort in making/porting titles to the Wii U.

At the moment, there is a complete media bashing of Nintendo going on. Why? Probably because they want a different console/company to be the best seller for a change. The 2 guys at IGN who went home at night to review 2 different Wii U games, came in next morning with their reviews. Trouble is, everyone else noticed both of them had left the copies of the games on their desks, still in the jiffy bags. Now, they were both asked to leave, but it just goes to show it is going on, and it is going to take some major PR work to turn it around. I do believe though, that if any company can recover from this kind of situation, it is Nintendo. They have done it in the past (3DS for starters), and they have the money and resources to do it again.

ToxieDogg

#152

ToxieDogg said:

@GreatPlayer Rayman Legends is shorter than Rayman Origins?!? How so? It contains nearly every stage from Origins as unlockables on top of it's own new stages and the ongoing Challenge mode. It surpasses Origins in just about every way imaginable.

As for Ubi...I support them a lot. I have ZombiU and Rayman Legends for Wii U, and plan to grab Splinter Cell soon. I also have both Rayman games and AC Liberation on Vita, I've got alll the Assassins Creed games on PS3, AC Rogue preordered and will pick up Unity when I get a PS4. But that doesn't mean I don't think their tweet was idiotic regardless of whether it was a single employees opinion or not. A company like Ubi that riddles it's games with microtransactions really can't be taking potshots at Nintendo for free DLC and expect no backlash whatsoever. I'm also not entirely satisfied with their opinion that Nintendo gamers don't want 'mature' games when you look at the relatively huge flops on Xbox/PS like (for instance) Vanquish, Anarchy Reigns (the sequel to Madworld) and more recently Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2. Does anybody take a look at the abysmal sales for those games and decide that Xbox/PS gamers no longer deserve 'mature' games? I will never understand the industry, nor people's blind defence of one company or another without the ability to see things objectively.

WinterWarm

#153

WinterWarm said:

@aaronsullivan

You make some good points, however I believe Nintendo's delaying SSB4 for WiiU is actually because of the debugging process Masahiro Sakurai outlined in his Famitsu article.

Furthermore, I'm not quite sure what age qualifies you as an 'old person', but yeah, no doubt many the people buying SSB4 played Melee.

@Samurai_Goroh Yeah, I know mature games don't sell on WiiU... I just said that in my comment.

aaronsullivan

#154

aaronsullivan said:

@WinterWarm
"Old people" was just an exaggeration. :D I'm just stepping "over the hill" myself and joking about being old is just natural for me. I'm betting a great deal of people on here would say, "Yep, that is old", however!

Also, I didn't mean to suggest that Nintendo delayed it on purpose to set up that marketing situation. I was just outlining what they probably want at this stage. I'm not sure if staggering them is such a great idea if it was meant for marketing. Probably better to have one giant wave of marketing.

Kirk

#155

Kirk said:

@IceClimbers

Well obviously the first batch of figures are tied into Smash but obviously Amiibo is bigger than just that one game, so hopefully Nintendo actually has big plans for Amiibo in general regardless of how well Smash Bros does.

LetsGoRetro

#156

LetsGoRetro said:

Ab A buddy of minr i went to school woth was on the cover of one of these dancing games a while ago. I think it eas xbox360. Hes black and the girl with him is white. Weirdest shock of my life seeing that lol. Never played a dance game, tho. Im 6'5 s dancing isnt really my thing lol

Geonjaha

#157

Geonjaha said:

@Kuhang - This kind of thing has happened before. The fact that it was taken down quickly and Ubisoft stated something along the lines of "This employee's opinion doesn't represent that of Ubisofts" shows that is what happened.

No, I don't blindly follow companies, but I also don't boycott their games just because one employee of the company happened to state an opinion over a game. Even if they did actually say it officially I wouldn't care; it isn't an insult. Honestly though if you want to stop supporting a company because someone in it said something mean about Nintendo then that's your choice, I just find it funny that you call people sheep for not doing the same.

@akaDv8R "To be fair though, that view from that guy at Ubisoft could be the view of quite a number at the company"
Yes but, so what if it is? I have that view myself, and I agreed with the original tweet. It isn't really relevant though because its just opinions from single employees. They don't hate Nintendo just because they have a criticism over one game they made.

I know Nintendo gets bad press for little reason, as do most companies. Hell, the irony here is that people are asking for sympathy for Nintendo getting bad press for no real reason, when that's exactly what happening to Ubisoft here.

Kuhang

#158

Kuhang said:

@Geonjaha

Ok just so you Know over the time I have bought AC3, AC4, Splinter Cell, Rayman Legends, Just Dance 2014, Hell I even have Your Shape fitness Evolved Lol :p You say you don't follow a company blindly ? so do I.That is why I'm pulling my plugs off Ubisoft from Wii U.Simple.

ShadyKnights

#159

ShadyKnights said:

@Geonjaha
Well I dunno about the last couple of articles, but Ubi has done much over the past few console generations to sour my taste towards them.

I hated PoP Warrior Within, and while Two Thrones did oh so very much to fix those problems, I never forgot the taste that left in my mouth.

I loved Beyond Good and Evil, but the ending was sequel baited and regardless of many late comers to the game clambering for more, the PS2 went and PS3 came and went with only a teaser for BGE to rile fans up only for them to be "lol Nope sorry guys no game".

Prince of Persia (2008) came out, was a great game, excellent turn on the series and sequel baited to hell, and because of knee jerk reactions from fans who ignorantly expected Sands of Time mechanics when they actually promised a divergence of that, they dropped the series. This was a time to stand up and calmly remind people of what was promised and delivered for the fans who loved this game and its style, but instead, like whipped dogs, they cowered back to the SoT series for another PoP game and canceled the new series they started.

They spend four Assassin's Creed games training me, getting me used to these button configs, getting me engrossed in Desmond's story, then change it all to Arkham mechanics that work like booty cheddar in this series, and a conclusion to Desmond's story that is as insulting as it is stupid. Four games for a crappy conclusion that makes no sense, had stupidly concluded plot points with characters, and spat in my face as a big Desmond fan who just wanted to see him be as awesome as Ezio and Altiar, and as someone who wanted to play as a modern day Assassin.

Got me excited for Raman Legends and ready to wholly support it because it was an exclusive, then held back on the game so they could port it to other consoles that people may already own and had the nerve to point to Nintendo fans as the cause for it not selling on the Wii U. No, I didn't get it, but that was because they promised me one thing, then reneged on that promise. I tend to take being lied to mildly personally. And my cousin, like me, got her Wii U day one and (unlike me) didn't open the box until she got Rayman Legends for Christmas last year. She got the damned console for one game and Ubi didn't have enough consideration for her or likeminded fans to just give it.

Then they have the nerve to complain about how not well their mature games are doing on Nintendo consoles when it's fairly well known that their Wii U ports have been lack luster and Nintendo fans tend to avoid such games. But in their eyes, Nintendo fans should buy them anyway just because they're putting something out there. But really, how is that good enough? How is it reasonable for Ubisoft to provide less content, less quality, less effort in their games for Nintendo fans, then demand more loyalty from them when we all see they don't do that with Sony or Microsoft fans.

After the Raymon Legend debacle, they delayed the Wii U version of Watchdogs so they could put more work into the other versions of the game. A complete inverse of what they did with RL. Suddenly, it's unthinkable to make consumers wait for a highly anticipated game and Wii U fans will have to just deal if they want to play it on their Wii Us. Just wait be grateful when you get it. Likely they won't since, all around, the game's been proven to be far less than expected or promised so when that doesn't sell well, they'll just complain again that it's Nintendo fans fault.

And after their lazy eyed support, that many want to defend as solid, serious support of Nintendo fans third party games, Ubisoft tells them that they clearly don't want M rated games, but Just Dance is doing well so that's good enough for them. Now this is all based on the assumption that Bayonetta 2 will not sell well because Ubi cannot fathom a game that did as lackluster as that one on the "serious gamers consoles" to beat their offerings on the Wii U. Not because they feel the games quality will sell it, but because they feel what they offered was more and therefore better even though it's almost a mantra from Nintendo fans at this point that quality content beats quantity.

Then the holding hostage of Ubisoft games until more Wii Us are sold like nonexistent games are a reason to purchase a console over games that are out. Hell the concept of spending dev dollars on making one game, let alone five, that you are confident in will sell excellently and not pushing it on a console where the base is ravenous for excellent content is remarkably stupid from a logical or business standpoint. Until money is made for those games they just wasted both time and lots of money.

Then the Twitter incident, which I take as an accidental use of company Twitter when they meant to use their own, but still. It's stupid as hell to complain about free DLC that you have not seen in motion yet. Being skeptical is perfectly fine, but to talk about magic being weakened? From Ubisoft? The company that only bothered with quick ports for good games for Wii U. But I guess that doesn't diminish the magic of those games. The company that held back on an announced exclusive so it could become a multiplat. But I guess that too doesn't diminish the magic of that game either. The company that held off one version of a game so that all others could get attention, and we all see that the game did not even have the nerve to live up to the hype or even the promises of that game for all the extra work and effort put into it after halting work on the Wii U version. But I guess not even that diminishes the magic of that game.

It's called being respectful man. They have been very disrespectful to Nintendo fans for a while now and some people take offense to that. I don't really see what the issue is for people feeling this upset when they have had nearly the entirety of "gaming journalism" telling them they were stupid, childish, casual gamers for getting the Wii U and that no games were coming out for it for nearly two years, and when popular Nintendo games start dropping, suddenly it's all "Well this could be what helps the Wii U!" "It could come back after this game!" as if they're some great prophet and its okay to like Nintendo now after their E3 mud stomped everyone.

A lot of fans just want the other companies to shut up now because they're tired of the two-faced comments or safe comments meant to make them look good no matter what happens. If they don't think the Wii U is cool, fine, shut up and keep it to themselves cause plenty of people think it is, and others would too if they actually heard truthful info about it. Don't like how they're doing this game, fine, shut up cause many think it's cool. Hell you have to be especially careful when you are in the industry because you're speaking to your peers and you should know better than anyone how things can look one way from the outside in, but can actually be the complete opposite.

TLDR;
These last two issues with Ubisoft were probably the straw that broke many people's back with them. The company has been around for some time and has given many fans a reason to stack up marks against them so we're probably seeing the result of that.

MrGuinea

#161

MrGuinea said:

@ShadyKnights
Wow I was just about to start typing my comment, but then decided to read your long one. You pretty much summed up everything I was wanting to say.
I just finished up SplinterCell DA and am currently back on Assassins Creed (all on Nintendo systems). I loved Ubisoft. They started off great with the Wii U with ZombiU but now I'm seeing they're just like the rest of them. Don't put all your effort into PS and Xbox games and say that the Wii U ones aren't selling. It's like giving everyone else a whole pizza and then giving any leftovers to Nintendo fans and then wondering why everyone isn't satisfied. All I would want for them to do is Zombi2 as one final game if they're going to call it quits.

GreatPlayer

#162

GreatPlayer said:

@ToxieDogg What I really wanted to mean was that it is shorter if you take out all the rehashed Rayman Origins levels in Rayman Legends. If Origins was published 10 years before Legends, then I would enjoy replaying those levels. However, they were only 3-4 years apart? When I replayed those levels they felt extremely familiar - I even remembered the layout of those "remastered" levels. The game is pretty short from start to the normal ending. I was also surprised that those after-ending levels (whatever they should be called) are again amendments from earlier levels in the very same game.

Although there are new levels in Legends and I enjoy playing those, I do not feel that Legends really surpassed Origins much in terms of novel content (although I feel its novelty factor is still better than that in Mario and Luigi U, particularly because Legends really use the gamepad more).

Geonjaha

#163

Geonjaha said:

@ShadyKnights - I understand that Ubisoft has done some pretty stupid things, but i call things as I see them, I don't search for little excuses to hate on a company even more. I understand the straw that broke the camels back idea, but in this situation it just seems silly.

Imagine Ubisoft was a person. All that's happened the last couple of days is that one of their Friends gave a small criticism of someone else. For some reason Ubisoft gets blamed for this mild mannered statement. The next day they compliment someone. How dare they! These have truly been the final straws!

My point is that the response to these articles just shows that people by this point are desperately looking for more excuses to hate Ubisoft, in situations where they haven't even done anything wrong. It looks petty; wait until they actually do something wrong to overreact to it.

To be honest I imagine most of unjustified anger here is solely because of the fact that it was a Nintendo game that happened to recieve a criticism. People who have broken their camels backs over this have attached themselves to a game they like, and seem unable to react in a sane manner to a criticism of it. It's not like it's that uncommon of an opinion; quite a few people in first articles comments agreed with the statement.

ShadyKnights

#164

ShadyKnights said:

@Geonjaha
The last straw always looks silly because it's just one straw, but you have to look at the rest of the bundle on the back. You are looking at people's anger from the perspective of "Oh it's just one thing, chill out" when while they are complaining about this one thing, there is also a list of complains of other things as well, some of which I mentioned, that people have with the company that makes their comments feel inappropriate.

And while I get you're trying for an analogy here, you're incorrect. Firstly a company is not a person and should never be viewed as one. Secondly this isn't Ubisoft's friend saying something in appropriate, it's Ubisoft having an airhead moment and saying something risque in public that looks bad. The thing is, even if this was that guy's personal twitter, I'm willing to bet someone would have figured out that he was from Ubi and people would still be upset. Why? Cause he's apart of the company. He's not "just" one person and cannot be because of where he works. This is why I said, as someone who works in the industry, he should know better about keeping his mouth shut and how these comments look. Especially given the testy ground the company is on with Nintendo fans as of late.

Now for the positive statement the company officially made, as I said earlier, some people are tired of these opportunistic comments by people who want to look smart or knowledgeable or whatever. The real reason for Ubi commenting on Smash is to talk about their Just Dance and attach it to Smash hype. Common practice yes, but people are sick of it. Those who are happy and hype and salivating for Smash because they feel they know it's gonna be good don't want Ubisoft telling them this could make their preferred console worth something. That's insulting.

I can respect that is not what you see, but it is what some do see. Sure some people cannot take criticism over that, but that's a bigger minority than you think. I've read Ubi complain more about the issue with Wii U sale than Iwata, yet look at the XBOne sales and they got nothin to say about how The Halo collection is really going to move consoles and how Just Dance will help with that. That hypocrisy doesn't bug you a little?

And just as there are people who agree with Ubi's statement, there are those who genuinely do not. Doesn't make either side wrong really. But I do think the focus on the Wii U "surviving" or "doing better" after Smash is childish and misplaced. We own consoles to enjoy the games on them. So long as the games are there, and they are being enjoyed, that's really all that matters. And from the various places I looked, Ubi has been doing more damage to itself by talking than by not just shutting up. I can't really fault the fans for that as many of them plainly say "SHUT UP UBISOFT!" yet they ignore them. I can't really call being ignored when you tell someone to leave you alone as being unjustifiably upset.

ShadyKnights

#165

ShadyKnights said:

@Geonjaha
Also I too do not do searches for things to hate Ubi or any company on, I just pulled my examples from memory and my personal feelings.

OK_Commuter

#166

OK_Commuter said:

not fussed on anything Ubisoft says, they've made their feelings perfectly clear on numerous occasions.

Phle

#167

Phle said:

I personally haven't played Super Smash Brothers before, this upcoming release will be my first one. All the talk of how great it is kind of create big expectations. Nintendo has to nail it. There is so many players that will judge all Nintendo games on Wii U by playing Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Brothers U. They delivered well with Mario Kart 8, let's just hope they do the same with Super Smash Brothers U (and 3DS).

crimsoncavalier

#168

crimsoncavalier said:

@gage_wolf Well, Mario Kart Wii had a great online multiplayer system, and Brawl's was broken. That may have a huge impact on sales, for people who want to play their game online. That won't be an issue this time.

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