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#1

ShadyKnights commented on British Tabloid The Sun Brands Gaming "As Addi...:

Well I wouldn't say that's entirely untrue, though the labeling could use some work. I dunno about you all, but I've spent tons of time on my Nintendo games than pretty much anything ever. And I've heard of people clocking in upwards of 300 hours on MK8 since it's launch.

But in all seriousness, It's kinda sad that people who either never picked up a game or seriously put effort into trying to play one once they found the controller or keyboard and mouse too cumbersome to use in a game, immediately want to write games off as something awful and bad just because they can't, don't, or won't understand it.

I do, again serious this time, love how they just slap the Gameboy image on that and equal it to drugs though. My teen and childhood self would probably be very interested in drugs if I were told they were as good as my Gameboy color... Hmm I should probably get it off my book shelf, dust it off, and pop in Pokemon Yellow... I've been feeling a lil down lately and could use a fix.

ShadyKnights

#2

ShadyKnights commented on Kotaku Says YES to the Wii U - Rejoicing Begins:

@k8sMum
Well the majority of what my wall of text is about is gaming journalism in general rather than Kotaku. I've heard and read the statements I speak of from many sources and have stated as such.

The other part of my statement comes from my personal feelings on them or anyone suddenly having a a divine revelation of the quality of the Wii U, not just Kotaku.

So it's not really Kotaku's attitude specifically I speak about, so much as gaming journalists' attitude in general and how they pollute the minds of the uninformed for their own gain. I've never really liked that about any person or company who has done as much.

ShadyKnights

#3

ShadyKnights commented on Kotaku Says YES to the Wii U - Rejoicing Begins:

Hm... Well okay I guess I'll toss in my dollar on the issue.

Okay, so on a base level, yes, this is awesome news to be happy about. People who purchased their Wii U, knowing what they were getting into have been beating the drum about how awesome the console has already been for some time now. The fact that a large and influential site like Kotaku said nice things about the Wii U is a positive sign that the hate train has been derailed. Even if there have to still be some back handed compliments, at least the overt and loud screaming of untruths now must cease lest their credibility be brought into question.

Now for me, personally, I don't care what Kotaku has to say about my Wii U anymore. After a little over a year and a half of blatant lies, doom and gloom, and arm chair analysts and the like talking about how Nintendo will be going under, how it is an underpowered piece of tech trash, how “overpriced” it is, how the gamepad should be dropped, how Nintendo should “get with it”, how the Wii U should be dropped for a “real console” and so on by nearly everyone who wanted to get attention for the most Nintendo hate, I’ve just written off gaming journalism as garbage not to be taken seriously anyway. The only reason I find positivity in IGN, Kotaku and others getting positive Nintendo news out is because now the average, uninformed gamer are getting something “closer” to an actual honest critique of the system. The reason I say this is, the average person never has had a reason to get a new console within its first couple of years to my 26 year old memory.

Yeah there are fun games occasionally tossed out there in the first year or so to please early adopters and draw buzz to the new console, but the real meat and potatoes for the longevity of a console comes later when a more steady stream of games release, or when you have an understanding of how the stream of games to be released will flow. This generally isn’t something you can just grasp by the first year, though the second generally tends to give you a better idea for how things are going to work from then on. Right now, Nintendo is looking like the Wii U will have a slow, but constant flow of high quality games throughout its years. This E3 also shows that Nintendo, as a company, is also looking to diversify its brand, reach into more genres, reach out to their fans more and include said fans into more of their goings on. Yet for all of that, mainstream gaming media have spent much of their time speaking on how Nintendo “doesn’t listen”, how they have “abandoned the hardcore gamers”, and other such nonsense when the Directs “I” have seen has been more about the company showing how it appreciates our understanding and are trying to deliver to us, early adopters, a more reasonable flow of high quality games when they are READY, and to the people on the fence or who don’t know much about Nintendo, they have been spreading information about what their plan is going forward.

These people have no interest in doing what a journalist are supposed to be doing, informing the general masses. They just like the attention and prestige from gaining said attention. They don’t seem to remember how the PS3 spent nearly half last generation floundering and loosing almost all its exclusives until the price dropped closer to the range of reasonable for the average consumer, or the negative backlash for not all of their consoles being backwards compatible. They don’t seem to like to recall, mention, or discuss how the Wii U having backwards compatibility may actually improve the value of the Wii U considering it’s the only console with that feature intact and not even for a premium price as it was available to regular and deluxe Wii Us. No one wants to talk about how the gamepad legitimately changes the style of play in a positive way out of the box versus the touch pad or Kinect. None of them speak on how versus the XBOne and PS4 allowing gamers to pause their play when TV is in use, the Wii U is all about playing longer TV in use or not.

Yes Nintendo could do with advertising for themselves a little more, but darn it why report that you give gaming news if your “news” is, at best, ridiculous misinformation from a sketchy source or, at worst, deliberate lies from known fallacious sources. The middle ground being stating the features of the Wii U with a particularly negative tone such as “The game pad is neat and innovative, but seriously that battery is unacceptable!” or “Yeah you can add up to a 3TB external hard drive to the Wii U, but 32GB just is not enough memory to start with!" in order to belittle the console in every way. That isn’t spreading news, it’s spreading hate. And now that Nintendo pretty much blew everyone out of the water, suddenly these once serious problems and glaring flaws are now just little things to be ignored because the games are coming and now they don’t want to look like fools for telling people to not get it.

The Wii U was always a good buy. If it doesn’t have the games you want now, unless you’re hoping for a sexy bundle skin with the release of the game you want, then getting it now means you’re not blowing 300+ bucks later on the console and the games you want all at once. The concept that “It doesn’t have what I want now, I’ll get it when it does” is stupid to me when you’re talking about a first or second party game from Nintendo that they announced. You know those games are coming. Plus you get time to get familiar with the console, check out the features, and try a game or two that you otherwise wouldn’t have tried once the steady flow of games you actually know you want to play are out. Who hasn’t wished they picked up a game that they later found to be amazing sooner because they were blinded by what they were comfortable with?

The time for Kotaku to admit the Wii U is a good buy is past because everyone can see that now. Now they’re just verifying what people already know and saving face by the old admit-what-you-said-and-shine-your complaints-in-a-positive-light back step shuffle. Similar to Microsoft talking about how they listen to gamers and will only talk about games this E3 after insulting them all of E3 last year, or Sony saying you can share your games at the end of E3 press conference last year only to later that week say that they were only talking about first party games and third party devs can do what they want.

It’s amusing to see everyone try to jump on the Nintendo band wagon, but I remember things done and said too well to be… happy (?) that these people who were last year talking about how kiddie Nintendo games and gamers are, are now proudly wearing and waving Mario hats this year. That’s like punching my brother in the face then showing up at the family reunion talking about how you two are such good friends. I take moderate offense to that and find every word you say rather suspect. But hey, that’s just me.

ShadyKnights

#4

ShadyKnights commented on Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3?:

@Kirk
Man if you’re responding to what I said, it’s in poor taste to do so by editing the response I am responding to. The first sentence and your link on comment #251 were the only things in your comment until after I responded to you.

Owning or not owning a product does affect your objective stance on any matter. Being objective does. Owning it merely grans one perspective in the matter. If a person is going to be bitter about something, or won’t give it a chance, then they themselves are actually not objective. Objective people try new things and make up their minds on the experience based on the perspective they now have. Objective people also do not look at something based on what they want, but what is there, and judge it by that. To judge the Wii U based on the XBOne or PS4 is improper. You judge it based on the Wii. You determine if it is a good console on its own merits, based on the improvements it has on its predecessor. It having what you want is only a concern if you buy it. If not, and you know they’re not going to give you want you want, why constantly complain about it? All you’re doing at that point is wasting people’s time and annoying many in the process just so you can feel good about whining. Not saying that’s what you’re doing, I’m saying that’s really what it looks like and why people have taken issue to your words.

I have a family member who’s a big Sony fanboy, had a friend who still is one, and have a friend who is a Microsoft fanboy. I can speak as pleasantly to them about their console, hear them verbally filate the things they love and laugh and chat with them because I take a neutral stand point in it all. I’m just in it for fun, innovation, and games. I have decided not to get a PS4 or XBOne this gen so far because I don’t appreciate how Microsoft disrespected its fan base last year or how Sony lied to everyone then back pedaled in an interview that a lot of people seem to have missed, like a day later. I don’t like companies lying to me or disrespecting me so I don’t get their products. That is not to say I ignore them outright though as I often watch what’s happening on their end of the gaming sphere, but I feel their games are all bleeding into one another and the variety I hear so much about looks the same to me. Plus I’ve yet to see any serious difference from my PS3, to the PS4 quality wise. But, because I do not own or play the games or the console, I always submit to those that do and are because their perspective is better than mine. I only make statements about factual things that I know of from said companies, or when explaining my perspective of why certain features may or may not matter to me. To consider yourself and your way of thinking as a majority is also a bias statement. Though you are not trying to be, your words come off as more bias than you think man.

Now, I don’t recall writing that I believe Mario Kart 8 and Smash is going to convince you, or likeminded people, to get a Wii U. Honestly I don’t know what would be good enough for you, or likeminded people because I’ve heard and read so many similar arguments and demands on what Nntendo needs to add to get them on board, watch Nintendo add them, then watch and heard a bigger list of nitpicky things roll out. Not saying that you are of this type of person, but the arguments are similar and it seems more like you wish Nintendo to become more like Sony and Microsoft to get your sale.

Personally, I’m more inclined to thinking games like Devil’s Third (Cannot wait) and Beyonetta 2+1 will be games to turn more heads as well as Mario Maker since I’ve seen enough Kaizo Mario to know where this is going. Fan made New Kazio Mario U 2016. I’m effing calling that. People want smart and mature games. Not M rated games, but mature ones. It’s like how I tell my friends Rugrats, Angry Beavers, Dexter’s Laboratory, and Rocko’s Modern Life are very mature cartoons despite them being made for children to watch. It’s the layers upon layers of humor, references, innuendos and such that allow for something to be enjoyed for every age for different reasons that makes something mature. An M rating just means only adults can enjoy it as kids may not get the references and such. Maturity is about broadening one’s horizons. Kids stay in play pens. Just sayin.

I am saying, however, that Nintendo is putting forth a more diverse line up than you are giving it credit for. This isn’t about Nintendo needing to broaden its horizons at this point. Now it’s about you and people like you broadening yours. Ninja Gaiden 3 is on the Wii U. Need for Speed is on the Wii U. Beyontta will be joining with two games. Mass Effect 3 is on the Wii U. Devil’s Thrid will be on the Wii U. Tekken is on the Wii U. Arkham City and Origins is on the Wii U. Xenoblade Chronicles X is coming to the Wii U. These are darker, grittier games. They also have the diversity of their first party Kirby, Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, and so on that is for the more light hearted visually and tonally crowd. That’s diversity. Sony and Microsoift don’t have diverse games in near the number of Nintendo. Oh yeah there’s Project Sparks and Little Big Planet, but that’s it. You can get Disney Infinity on the Wii U as well as Skylanders. Can’t get Hulk on it for now, but I’m willing to bet you’ll probably be able to use Nintendo characters via Amiibo on it as well for the Wii U which makes up for that loss in spades. Heck even I might consider getting that if you can have Samus fighting alongside Ironman….

Nintendo has shown the meat they’re willing to bring, yet you and your kind complain about the vegetables on your dinner plate that you don’t like even though you haven’t even tried them or you won’t even have to eat them because you can play whatever you want. Every nay sayer’s immediate response is “I want more than Mario”, get more than Mario then complain “Not kiddie games! Something mature!” we have a roll out of mature games and it’s “I want these non gaming features and lower the price” and when they don’t do that, the nay sayers have the nerve to act like Nintendo isn’t listening. Disgusting and disgraceful.

Also, you are speaking as if you are in the majority and Nintendo fans are in the minority. That actually isn’t the truth. Most people are just waiting till announcements they want to hear come out to get the system or until they are surprised by something that steals their attention and warrants an earlier purchase. Most people are reasonable like that. Only very few make demands about things that aren’t gaming related to be stuffed into their gaming console because most people just want to play the games. Again, I have seen more people moved to get the Wii U once X Y Z game announced at E3 dropped than for PS4 and the XBOne. After all, the other gamers are nice to get, but Nintendo also wants people who are not gamers to join the world of Play. And judging by how well their E3 was received, I believe they reached more people in general than the small group you speak of.

As far as staying in the black is concerned, Nintendo may be taking losses with the Wii U, but they’re still quite solid footed. Getting Wii U sales in the black would be a more apt term. Sony on the other hand has lost considerably more money than Nintendo outside of the gaming sphere. I’d be more worried about them than Nintendo. Not trying to start anything, just looking at the overall numbers.

ShadyKnights

#5

ShadyKnights commented on Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3?:

@Kirk
So out of everything I said, you pick one sentence and respond to that outside of the context of everything I said. lol You remind me of my cousin now. Okay fine you didn't say anything rude or nasty so I shall respond in kind.

You are misconstruing the important factor in those sales. These were at a time where Wii U didn't really have many games out for it that the public had not seen before and during its long drought of few new releases. As I said, its popularity was fairly low. The argument that many so called journalists and anti-Nintendo fanboys have been throwing around at Nintendo's launch titles is that they could have and did play many of those games on the PS3/360 which ignored the fact that these games were not playable at all on the Wii. Ironic than the same people who probably squeed all over the remake of Halo 1-4, The Last of Us, Ratchet and Clank, and GTA V are the same people who didn’t like a remake of games that they already played coming out on a new console really… As I said, the games are what is important and Nintendo didn't really have many new games for the console to release at a steady enough interval to appease those who haven't adopted early. And really, the first year or so is for early adopters while the following years are for the masses.

The general response to this would naturally be to show me Sony's sales figures, but as I said, Sony is popular. Sony is the prep of the video game industry right now. And last year's final E3 comments from them are what sold so many consoles as fans wanted to prove a point by not buying the XBOne since Microsoft was rude and disrespectful as hell to them. So they jumped ship to Sony. Again, this is a fact. Before E3, people hated both Sony and Microsoft due to botched press releases, but Sony managed to shine brighter by appearing as if they listened to the players. I remember how before E3 people were sounding despondent as if they would have to go to Wii U this gen and ignore the other two.

So Nintendo has been running a loss for now is not what I would call great, but sometimes companies must spend money or be willing to bet a short term loss for a long term gain. After all many analysts can tell you that the Xbox brand has been an anchor to Microsoft since or before the 360 yet no one points fingers to how that company will die off this gen or should release the next Xbox to replace the financially failed 360 or XBOne, so showing Wii U poor sales and Nintendo losses really doesn’t prove a point. I find it silly how people look at a couple of years of losses and feel that just breaks down 30+ years of stacks upon stacks of profits. They have pretty much stated that they are banking on their games to push their systems which is why E3 and their directs are so important to them and why they have been pushing the quality of both lately. Their methods are different than the competition and they have had losses, but let’s wait and see how things are between this and next E3 as "winning" E3's does produce hype and good PR and helps push consoles as well as new games.

And I know you weren’t speaking to me, but your list of things that should have been announced is mostly pretty ridiculous and petty complains man. I’m not trying to be nasty or offend, but it’s really bad when you think about it and contradictory in places.
A price drop is not necessary at this point, nor is it reasonable to ask for or expect. With many Wii Us, you get bundled at least 1 game now. A good one at that. Not to mention it already received a price cut in its first year now you want to bleed more money out of them? Why not ask Sony for a price cut? The XBOne and the Wii U are the only current gen consoles that cut their prices, so why not demand that of Sony instead? That’d actually be reasonable since the other two did already, but to ask for more is just greedy on the side of the customer.

Actually, Reggie did speak to IGN about a unified account system and he said they are looking into it and are interested in it, but he can’t really speak on anything just yet. So likely that will happen later on down the road.

Okay you cannot ask for a price cut, then demand more storage. Again, so early in the console’s life is not really apt or necessary either. Not to mention they allow for the consumer to use whatever external hard drive to up to 3TB on the Wii U and you can get a 2 TB at my Micro Center for about the price of a new game if not a little more. So if you have memory problems, just buy or use your current external hard drive. They as much as said that before the Wii U released. In a way, it’s cheaper for the consumer since they don’t have to pay for the extra in storage HD space up front, but when they need it. Win win for company and customer I see.

The battery life argument is ridiculous. The gamepad generally last about 4 hours of game play, some have reported more, some less, but that’s the average. If you are playing your game longer than that, you can always hook the gamepad up to its charger. I do so. If you are sitting too far away from your wall socket to do so, then get a USB adapter for it. I got one to play my Wii U in my car when the power went out two summers ago. Played Arkham City off screen mode. Good times. Yeah more battery life is a nice boon, but it really isn’t the problem people make it out to be. And it is rechargeable and isn't AA batteries either so I think people should calm down on that point.

The VC price cut is something I would say is fair depending on how much cut are we talking about. I do get these games are old, but essentially they pay for more VC games to be released. But news about old games really isn’t something that belongs at E3 when they can just toss it on Direct.

Why should Nintendo emulate what would be very bad for them? Nintendo does not have enough third party games to support such a system and even if they did, they’re games are many classes above others so the subscription to play said games would likely be higher to reflect this. If you’re going to get Mario Kart 8 for free, you’re going to pay more for it than what you may to get Sleeping Dogs or inFAMOUS 2. Also, they are the only console that does not require you to have a subscription service to utilize their online in any way. In fact, with the Digital Delux Program, you get a gift card for the eShop for so much money you spend on the eShop so essentially you do and can get free games. And not one offered, but what you would actually want. Also there is the Club Nintendo where you just register the games you buy and maybe answer a survey if you want and you get points to get collectables or to get some games as well. So there are two free options to get games that they offer while Sony and Microsoft want you to pay as your only option.

Playing DVD/Blu Ray/music on the Wii U is not important at this day an age. It’s 2014, not 2006. There are multiple devices that do this already in many homes. Nintendo has stated that their focus is on being the place to play games. Playing DVD/Blu Rays/ music is not playing games so they wouldn’t focus on those things. Also this is what separates Nintendo from its competition. They are a gaming focused console. This is not a negative in any way, nor is it something that needs to change.

Did you even watch the Digital Event and the subsequent days after E3? Again this last point is exactly what that Robot Chicken parody was about. That self-important, snide, attitude that Nintendo is just letting games go by the way side and that they are ignoring their fans. The Wii U is not even 2 years old yet. How are any of the games you mentioned being “ignored” by it? The people at Nintendo mentioned they have an interest in 2D and 3D Metroid game. Animal Crossing is on the 3DS and will likely come out on the Wii U soon enough. They obviously haven’t forgotten these franchises and just don’t want to put anything out about them until they have something they feel confident about. That’s not unreasonable or anything that needs fixing. It’s better to talk about games when they are going to actually be released and there is something serious to be seen rather than just a mention about them that may never come to fruition. Gamers don’t like being lied to and after last year, where that’s pretty much what publishers were doing left, right and center, to do so now would be more harmful in the long run than good.

Nintendo is not pushing to be the only console that people buy like Sony and Microsoft are. And the fact that they showed the most amount of games that you can only get on their console is how they plan on selling it. You going on about your feelings on how you, as someone who likely has no experience or deep understanding of this industry, feel would make Nintendo do well when all the fact you have to go on is anti-Nintendo hype that spread only because it was fashionable to talk trash about Nintendo and speak praises about its competition. Well now that we have a E3 with all three consoles starting off in the same position again, Nintendo is the talk of the town when the other two were in the best position to stay in the positive conversation, or at least easily stay ahead of them. For how well PS4’s are selling, Sony has to talk about how Wii gamers ran to PS4 rather than how effective their E3 was. For how insanely popular the 360 was, the XBOne is still flinching from fan response of last year. For how dogged Nintendo was for the past 7 years, they came out with a decisive victory by doing none of what you, couch analysts, or even professional analysts suggested they should do. They did so by speaking on what the actual fans wanted: New games, some old IP being revised, letting them know they do listen, and inviting them more into E3 so they can experience the games they usually miss or don’t hear about.

Most of your arguments stem from many people’s misunderstanding of what actually makes a console war, a console war. One of the big tag lines for Sega was “Genesis does what Nintendon’t”. The original console wars were started by how gaming on this console was different than that one. This started by technological differences between the two, but once technology became stronger, Nintendo focused on a different way to play. For as ridiculous as people may like to call Nintendo’s ways, the other companies, who are doing oh so much better than them mind you, are trying to adapt everything Nintendo does into themselves in a haphazard slap stick way that is very rarely meaningfully used. N64 controller breeds the analog controller for the Playstation. Wiimote breeds sixaxis, the Move, and the Kinect. Gamepad breeds touchpad, and smartglass. The dual analogs were definitely a smart adaptation and change of pace, but the rest have been just been adding the innovative additions without the innovations with them.

This is why there are doom and gloom articles about the death gaming consoles because Sony and Microsoft are so similar to computers at this point that there is very little reason to get them over a PC. Rather than complain about how Nintendo didn’t do enough or say that their victory will surely end in defeat, if you really want them to do well, why not be excited for what they did without the triple A industry and hope they do well and add the fuzzy dice and rims that you’re asking for later. Cause that stuff surely isn’t important for the Wii U itself, but just fun little addition to please a minority rather than the fans, who actually matter.

ShadyKnights

#6

ShadyKnights commented on Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3?:

@Kirk
Hey man, you’re using that word bias improperly. You see, fans pointing at the exclusives and quality products that can only be found at Nintendo is indeed less bias than you poo pooing them for not having the games that you want. It is also more bias for you to come here with a sense of righteous duty to keep the fans from getting too rowdy for your tastes and enjoying the victory that they and the bulk of the internet agree upon.

Electronic Entertainment Expo. The purpose is to entertain. Nintendo did this better that their console and game maker competition. By a land slide. Company business does not entertain, nor are your points about what Nintendo “needs to fix” relevant or even accurate. So long as they provide a product that enough people want for them to make money off of, while pleasing said customers, they’re doing what any business needs to do to survive. My 2000 Plymouth Breeze may not be as great as my dad’s 2013 Buick, but damn it, it gets me from point A to B and she does so smoothly and carries what and who I need her to.

As you said, they had the best presentation. There, they won E3. Done. The only reason you’re arguing with GC-161 at this point is because you keep injecting your personal opinion into what Nintendo is “doing wrong” and what “needs to be fixed” when your opinion is crap man. Not trying to down play your intelligence or anything, but what the hell do you or I really really know about what any company needs to do to be successful? All this follow the crowd, do what everyone else is doing, BS is just high school politics. And I’d thinks someone who tries to sound as reasonable and intelligent as you are trying to would realize that popularity contests are not a bench mark for success. Nintendo is the nerd/geek of the gaming industry. Sony and Microsoft are the preps and jocks. I’m pretty sure we all know who ends up doing the best at the end of the day. Popularity doesn’t beat actual quality and that’s what Nintendo has been and is pushing heavily.

Your likening their event to slapping new rims on an old car is also another personal opinion of their product. A bias statement meant to make the Wii U seem inferior or less than high quality when it is the new console of Nintendo. Not their N64, or Gamecube. They’re not selling the Disk Drive, they’re trying to sell and promote the Wii U. Again, your likening the other consoles to fancier cars to get people to see them as something new and luxurious as well, is also a very bias statement. Yes, they are more premium hardware machines, but to be more neutral about it, you’d have to classify all as new and that Sony and Microsoft merely are higher end cars of different brands than Nintendo’s car. You try to back pedal this statement by calling what they have shinier rims and fuzzier dice, but you’re terribly mistaken in your analogy in these additions.

Games are not additions to the car, they are the gas and locals. Currently you can drive further with Nintendo’s new car than with the competition since they have more coming out now and likely more quality later. Nintendo’s games are known for their longevity so you’ll likely be driving much longer on one tank than with the competition, hence the hype. The fact that they’re offering more refills means you can go even further and see more exotic locals while doing so, hence even more hype. The competition hasn’t really offered to take anyone any place really new or very far, for hardly any time this year. And the indie game locals are almost all going to be on the Wii U as well so the reasons to drive the other cars become less and less viable. You have a larger array of diverse locals and distance in these places you can drive with Nintendo coming soon and later. I don’t quite get how you would not want to drive that car unless you just want to go to very specific places faster later, but to each his own.

You keep speaking on Nintendo needing to make the Wii U compelling when making games for it is all they need to do, to accomplish this. Third party helps but the importance of it really has gone downhill more than people think. What point is there is getting one particular machine for games you can get on something you already own, your computer? Graphical fidelity? Well if you care about that, you can upgrade your graphics card or your rig in general and you can easily outpace the higher end consoles at less than the price of said consoles. They very obviously made the Wii U compelling with their games. Doing well at E3 is the best way to make their console compelling and winning it helps doubly so. Look at how well the PS4 has done with about as many, if not fewer, higher budgeted games at and nearly a year after its launch than the Wii U. The hype after E3 last year had 90% minimum to do with that and to deny such is just ignoring the truth.

Again, you trust in Sony and Microsoft because your bias is to their games. They provide what you want and you trust they’ll not let you down. Yet in the same lecture, you also chide Nintendo fans for trusting that Nintendo will do the same and call their feelings bias to belittle them. You claim that most gamers want what Sony and Microsoft provides because they’re popular, yet Nintendo games consistently out pace these games by the numbers. This is a fact, not a bias opinion. There are numbers to heavily prove this. So to say that most gamers want Sony and Microsoft’s offerings might actually be less true than you believe it is.

And while Nintendo hasn’t proven themselves to you, I’ve seen many and heard many more gamers who were blown away, begrudgingly convinced, and/or outright converted to them for next year at the soonest. Convincing just you is not the point or the goal. It’s a bonus, but the other thousands, if not millions who will be getting a Wii U as a primary or secondary home console will be consolation enough I’m sure.

ShadyKnights

#7

ShadyKnights commented on Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3?:

To me, E3 is like Christmas. I really love Christmas cause fun and often unexpected presents are given and received and it's really a time for chilling and hanging with your friends and family in a positive light. Unfortunately it is difficult to do this with the gaming community because most people here tend to be difficult to deal with when things are going okay for everyone, much less when there is excitement for one's preferred platform going around. Regardless, I return every year to try to share the hype.

Overall this E3 was completely saved by Nintendo for my personal enjoyment, but was doing fairly poorly over all without them in general. Microsoft did focus on many games, but they played it safe and didn't really try to do anything extra exciting really. They had good games, and they kept the beat pretty stable, but it was clear they were still wincing from the backlash angry fans gave them last year so they couldn't make the step to wow or surprise them for fear it would just bite them again. Honestly I felt the removal of the Kinect was the saddest thing about their E3 presentation. I mean I hate how they use the thing, but I feel the Kinect has potential to be a real wonderful addition to gaming if it were properly implemented into something meaningful. But Microsoft isn't willing to do anything with it so, sadly it fades into obscurity. I mean I don't care about it as it stands now, but if it's innovation, whether it comes from Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo, I'm all for it. I just wish they had the balls to stick with it and prove that their initial love of the Kinect 2 was validated.

The structure of their show was good though. Showing what's coming out this year and next, some indie games, some larger budgeted games, that's about it. Nothing bad, some excitement, but nothing that I would call great really. Plus the audience was not even trying to be excited, save for Master Chief announcement, which was spoiling the mood.

EA was almost bland personified in their presentation and actual quality. It was mostly "Here are games coming out. Mostly sequels, but whatever." They didn't seem excited about their own offerings save The Sims 4 which actually sounded a lil interesting to me, though most of the Sims games do even if I don't play them. The games looked nice, but there wasn't that sense of seeing something I didn't expect, or excitement so that left me dry. Plus there was a lot of talking during between the games and it was mildly maddening to me, but in general, it was unnecessary for what they were going to show. Basically filler really.

Ubisoft had a pretty fun conference over all. They kept talking playful and to a minimum save when explaining games that would benefit from said explanations and they kept things about as serious as a press conference about videogames should be. Some new games, some sequels, some that we saw last year, but very effective in what they needed to do.

Sony had the weakest of the conferences over all. Mostly due to the hype built around them from last year's ending, but still. Too much talking, poor attempts at joking, distracting moments with sound dropping, the focus on this years games being exclusive DLC for third party games on the PS4. I mean when did that become a good thing to talk about? I hated hearing that from Microsoft and when they finally stopped talking about Sony starts. Either way, for people who like hearing about that, it was there and if people feel that is a viable reason to have a PS4 or validates them owning it, great. They spoke to them quite effectively. For those who want a bigger indie console, Sony seems to be focused on putting as many indie games on their console as possible before Steam Machines launch. They seem to be relying heavily on the indie crowd to provide them with the diversity that the larger industry tends to avoid. An interesting way to round out their console, but nothing really to wow the masses. Then they started talking about TV, movies, and streaming services and, while that is fine to talk about within the span of 5 minutes, it absolutely murdered the flow of the event with how much unnecessary detail they went into with this. I'm fairly certain 20 minutes were used to speak about these services in detail. Yes some of that was also about playing old PS1-3 games, but the pacing was terrible and you could feel the audience start to hate hearing these guys talk after a point. They ended it all with an Uncharted sequel which pleased many I hear.

Overall for them though, the disruption in the middle of the presentation, information and game pacing wise, was too detrimental o the overall affect and left people feeling as if nothing was really announced. This is exacerbated by the fact that not many new games were talked about during Sony's conference and I don’t recall any Vita games being mentioned at all. The actual majority of games that I recall were indie games while the Playstation exclusives were notably more anemic (going by what was shown during the presentation of course).

These four really didn’t do much to tell the consumers that this was the glory of the “next gen” consoles. Even if Ubisoft did a good job at their conference, nothing was really done to show gamers that this gen was really starting with a bang. Which is fine really, I don’t recall any gen starting off amazingly well. Generally it takes a couple of years for the steam to start the train rolling down the tracks. Remember how long it took the PS3 to actually look good? Thing was an overpriced George Foreman grill that played games until Uncharted, Heavy Rain and Metal Gear Solid 4 dropped. Then suddenly it’s amazing. Well that and a steep price drop. Next gen usually has growing pains, but the problem is with how Microsoft, Sony and third party games painted this current gen. Last year we were more or less promised a slew of games to be released with the XBOne and PS4, however they have run into the same snag Nintendo ran into. Ironically people accused Nintendo of learning nothing from the past and now Microsoft and Sony have very few games for their respective new consoles while Nintendo is picking up steam as they will likely do next year. However, the awkward thing about this is, the third parties that left Nintendo still haven’t produced for the other two consoles which makes their complaining and show boating look all the more impotent and juvenile. The buzz that surrounded last year that many games were to befall the new consoles was snubbed out and it really was leaving for a rather dull feeling E3 for the first day.

Nintendo started off their conference with a playful jab at their consumers, fans, and the whiny personalities of the internet in general that showed not only do they listen to their fans, but they can give and take a joke as well as anyone else. The fight with Reggie and Iwata was more of that, and this set the stable for Nintendo treating games as a fun medium to provide entertainment. Their focus was on delivering a fun and engaging bid to the consumer that they were supporting the Wii U with all their gusto and the fans should as well. Keeping announcements after the DE and during the Tree House was also a very good way to keep people excited and interested in what Nintendo was going to announce next and what else were they going to do to increase the hype.

For whatever issues or technical faults that may have occurred during the Tree House, the overall robust feel of the everything provided a more packed sense than either of the other console and game makers. There have been more people, from what I've seen, converted to Nintendo after this event than converted to Sony or Microsoft which I think is an important deal. And unlike Sony's last minute statement that seemed to win over everyone last year, Nintendo seemed to win everyone over with their entire conference. And unlike Sony last year, it was based on games that are being announced and not a promise that the status quo won't change.

The question of who won I think people take way too seriously, as they do with everything videogame related. If people aren't being venomously attached to their console of preference, they wish to attempt a wise mature statement of "the gamers won" when really that's just a copout statement in a feeble attempt to not start an argument. The proper way to answer this is to base things on facts. I personally feel Nintendo won last year, but facts dictate last year that more people were more moved by Sony than Nintendo. This year I personally feel Nintendo won and I have heard more statements about people being moved to get a Wii U than an XBOne or PS4 after viewing all of the conferences at E3 or at least after viewing Nintendo's event. So, logistically, I believe it is safe to say Nintendo won. Now do they get a big prize? Not really, now they have to deliver on the goods lest this hype train derail. But for now, they have the most positive hype about them than the console and game maker competition and the most they've had in years without any of the big names going out of their way to damn their attempts of doing things different just for the click bate. Now positive news is the click bate.

If there was anything that I'd say is disappointing this year is the gamers really. After nearly two years of Nintendo Directs setting the stage for informing Nintendo fans of what they're working on (hell the new Zelda game was first announced on a Direct and not E3 event), people still act as if E3 is the only place to hear new Nintendo and if something wasn't announced during E3 that it either isn't in the works or will never come to fruition. This is exactly why the Robot Chicken jab at the very being was so appropriate. Nintendo lays out a list of fresh new games, and some of the most complaints I see are "Where's Majora's Mask/Metroid/Gamecube Games/Wii games in virtual console/HD Remakes?!" Petty small minded, complaints about things that really don't belong in E3, especially for Nintendo considering how they can get info about these games out. E3 should always be about new titles. It honestly baffles me that Microsoft used it to talk about the Halo Master Chief collection, but that I suppose can be excused since the series is fairly old now and people who might want to experience the first game in classic and updated styles can now do so, but Sony's remastering of GTA V and The Last of Us is downright insulting to bring up here. These games currently exist, but the same people that liken every Mario and Zelda game to one another will be the same ones praising these games when we all play Mario and GTA for the same reason, cause it's fun.

But back to my point of gamers complaining. This E3 was about setting a hard number of many games to come to the Wii U this year and a taste of what's to come for next year. Everyone and their toothless grandma has been screaming and stomping on their Bob's Soap box about how Nintendo absolutely needs to sell more Wii Us and when they do things to sell the console, now people are screaming "What about me?! I want to hear about this right now this very second!" Well spoiler alert friends, there are roughly 12 more directs between now and next E3. Each Direct is like a mini E3 event and we get more info from them on many and more specific info on select games than we do from E3 which is more just announcement heaven. More Zelda videos will be seen later, it's not necessary to see them now. Same with Star Fox. Showing more takes away from the newer IPs that people ask for, but never support. The important thing to take away from this is Nintendo hears you and they will deliver only when they are ready. And honestly, how is that unreasonable? Why rush a product you want really badly? Why not just let them take their time to do it right, then salivate over it for the oncoming years?

This year at E3 Nintendo talked about 28 new games (18 games for Wii U and 10 for 3DS [not including remakes on either]) exclusive to them being released this E3. Sony talked about 16 (5 PS4/3 10 Vita [same rules as Wii U]) and Microsoft talked about 10 that were exclusive to them. Not all of either of them are releases for this year, but Nintendo practically has to make their games on their own and they’re still pushing out more than the other’s. At least for announcements so far.

TLDR;
Microsoft did good, EA did okay, Ubisoft did very well, Sony did poorly, Nintendo did excellently. It’s dumb to complain about what you’re not getting when you’re getting more now than ever and are very likely to get what you want later on down the road. E3 is not the only means by which Nintendo gets it’s information to the gamers, if you feel something was left out or not expounded upon enough, wait till a Direct about it shows up and you’ll likely hear much more about it ala Mario Kart Direct.

ShadyKnights

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ShadyKnights commented on Nintendo Joining the White House for its 2014 ...:

Yeeees! More good publicity for video games! I care not that they're exercise games, gateway games are still good. Besides Wii Fit U is actually rather fun when I can move enough junk out of the way to use my balance board.

You know, in the spirit of getting people moving and all... This could have been fantastic for the Kinect to show off the Just Dance or get something big out for it and what not.

ShadyKnights

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ShadyKnights commented on Super Smash Bros. Hitting 3DS This Summer, Wii...:

@MoonKnight7
Thank you it was nice to have my first back and forth here be a positive one as I've seen them devolve into quite the mess on the interwebs. As a fellow Knight I salute your honor.

Wii U: Dr.Sevarius

Not sure bout the 3DS code as I don't have it on me at the moment, but the accounts are linked so you should be able to tell me by my Mii

ShadyKnights

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ShadyKnights commented on Super Smash Bros. Hitting 3DS This Summer, Wii...:

@MoonKnight7

Oh good, I didn't want to sound offensive or overly abrasive.

I understand what you mean as my brother is always barking at me about me getting work done while I am all about trying to do it right once rather than doing it twice cause something got messed up. And I completely understand the burnt out attitude with business decisions taking precedent, but I guess that's why I kinda respect Nintendo and why I very very begrudgingly gave up on Sony for this gen. I feel telling the customer that "Yeah... um heh.. sorry guys look there aren't as many games coming out as we anticipated, but we will not abandon you... we just need time." shows a nice balance of business ass covering and respect to the customer. Admitting one's errors or faults goes a nice little way with me. Where as Sony said you could share your games on the PS4 on a big venue where everyone could see, then quietly say "Oh well we just meant on our first party games. We'll allow the third parties to do what they want ^_^" is the kind of disgusting business move that I hate cause it's a lie guised as a half truth. Stupid as I believe almost the entirety of the XBOne is, at least they were upfront about their stance before they made the business decision to change that stance due to consumers taking their wallets and going home.

But I can understand what you mean. This can easily come off as a big business decision, but at the same time, after having made a VERY simple FPS for class a year or so back, and failing to get a simple search and destroy game completely in one week, I can't fathom how difficult it must be to actually do a fully fleshed out fighting game, trying to maintain balance, with all the characters we have seen and those we haven't just yet.

The big business decision in all that is the smart one (to me) is saying Summer and Winter rather than throwing hard dates as that has burned them before and I for one do no feel like hearing another "THEY MISSED THE DATE!!!!! THEY LIED!!!!!!!!! OMG U SUX NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!ONE!" (cringe) If the higher ups are anything remotely like me, they started using vague date to shut them up more so than because it looks less embarrassing when you miss your dates. But that's just me, lol.

And because Nintendo is paying his check, and we theirs, I think we should be positive, but let them also know that this trust doesn't come easy or cheap and that we expect more games and Smash itself to be well worth the second purchase, or just waiting longer than those with a 3/2DS. Believe me, I am all for kicking companies in the butt with the boot of Justice whenever they cross me, I've just personally not had much reason to do so with Nintendo. Again, they apologized and asked for patience with the Wii U and as I said, an apology and an admittance of failure goes a long way with me and at the time, I thought the 20 something titles with the Wii U launch wasn't that bad. Not all I got, but I thought someone would like some of them. I mean I held off on getting Arkham City for my PS3 the moment I heard the Wii U was getting it. And I was just waiting for Lego CIty and was already used to delayed games thanks to Square conditioning me with KH3 and FF versus XIII. Hell late as it was at least Skyward Sword made it to the console it was made for. And unlike FFXV and KH3, SSB43DS was worked on in tandem with SSB4U and only opened the option for Smash to more people rather than demanding they get a new console for either if they have one or the other.

And yeah I think we both can agree on the job their doing. My god that Smash Direct. My friend kept telling me to breath through it as I'm quite certain my voice went up way more octaves than nature intended for nearly every new thing and I nearly lost it when I thought Greninja was Mewtwo...sigh He looks like a cool character, but I was really hoping they'd give me the two of Mew back... unless it's unannounced, but since they haven't removed then re-replaced a character before, I'll just consign myself to believe he's gone so if he does come back I can run around screaming and flailing my arms like Kermit.

ShadyKnights

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ShadyKnights commented on Super Smash Bros. Hitting 3DS This Summer, Wii...:

@MoonKnight7

I don't believe a company, I believe what Sakurai said. Even if it is spin talk mumbo jumbo, the fact is, he's working on the game and we're not. We're the audience and even Leonardo annoyed his customers some times with how long it'd take him to finish a painting. But they paid for it and generally like what they got. Artists making up excuses and eventually delivering is an age old practice and comparative it, they've gotten better at their release dates. Your argument for the Wii U comes from you and others attempting to be business minded gamers when most gamers kinda suck at that. Being business minded means thinking beyond the hear and now. Beyond Smash Bros, and also it means having insight on what is to come between it. Again, this is what E3 is for. To let those not in the business in the know about what's coming out.

Being who I am, I can appreciate cynicism, as it keeps one from getting their hopes up too high, but to just deny everything just cause you feel you know when really you're just speculating is nonsense. Not trying to pick a fight or anything and I am sorry if I am coming off as rude, but what do you know more about this game and the dev cycle than any one of us? What do any of us know more than Sakurai? There are times when the smart thing to do is to just take their word, but keep a close eye on what they do.

I'm not saying we should all trust and believe everything, but Nintendo's history shows they are perfectionists. Their history shows that 9/10 times they hit a home run when they deliver a game fans want. And generally that tenth time is Super Mario Sunshine or Wind Waker, games that were hated at first then praise for their inventiveness.

Also, while I would like to see more attention to my Wii U from other devs, if Nintendo is still going to support the system and we keep getting better and better indie games, honestly, I'm cool with that. The "triple A" industry has gone downhill in a big way last gen and with the Exception of Watchdogs, I wasn't looking for anything from them in particular this gen from last years E3. Maybe they'll change my mind this June, but till then, meh.

ShadyKnights

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ShadyKnights commented on Super Smash Bros. Hitting 3DS This Summer, Wii...:

Wow... I've known this for some time, but... Hm gamers sure do think highly of themselves, but lowly of the average poor souls. Guys, come on, remember when we were kids, just getting into gaming? What did we all have? That one kid who got into gaming a little before us who told us about the valid reasons to get the awesome super mega editions of games, or who got them without telling us, inspiring us to be more up to date on this stuff lest we miss out too. Or we were that up to date kid.

To assume the average person would be so blind as to not see the value of getting both games is nonsensical. To say the average "Soccer Mom" (if those still exist in the capacity of which the term is used) is dumb. People, what did we do when we were kids and wanted our parents to get the game/console of our choice? We effing told them which one we wanted. Heck now a days, it's not uncommon for parents to be in the know with their kids as far as gaming is concerned.

All this negativity is quite unfounded and I'm not talking about being upset for the Wii U release needing more time, which is the case. It wasn't delayed, that word wasn't even used in the Smash Bros Direct. That's a word other people interjected just because the games were being developed at the same time, but one is being released earlier (i.e. at the time of its completion) while the other will be released later at the time of its completion. After 30ish years, I'd think it was common knowledge that Nintendo is a group of perfectionists so, they take more time to make sure both games are worth it. I'm willing to bet once the basics for the Wii U game are up to home console snuff, they will be stuffing the game with features that makes the second purchase worth it.

Also, I am another person here who likely was only going to get one version. But as soon as I saw in the beginning of the direct that I would have time to get money to get both, I genuinely rejoiced with my friend and said I could get both rather than just getting the Wii U version. Heck I talked to an older friend the day before the direct and he said he was getting both when we all thought they were being released the same day and I'm willing to believe a fair number of Wii U owners and future owners and 3DS current/future owners can appreciate the idea of having both as well.

I'm not going to hyperbolize like so many others and state why it is practical to release whichever version first or hold off on one to make sure they're released at the same time, cause I don't run a company and I am crazy enough to believe that the SSB4U/3DS devs felt confident enough about both games to release either at whatever time they chose. I'm weird like that.

TL;DR
I'm happy they're released with the SD Smash Bros first then the HD later, can't wait to play them in that order, everyone complaining really has no idea what they're talking about considering E3 is when we really get the big game announcements and to cannibalize Gamer Christmas would be very stupid. Shut up and enjoy the ride to E3.