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Wouwter

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Wouwter

#30

Wouwter commented on Not Everyone is Thrilled That Metroid Prime Tr...:

This article is strange. You make it seem like online sellers are up in arms against Nintendo selling old games for a reasonable price, but it's just one person that you contacted that's mildy disappointed. Good job inventing (non)news!

Wouwter

#33

Wouwter commented on Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An E...:

@Quorthon It's funny that you're accusing me as coming off as a fanboy with that response. Somehow you manage to bring the completely unrelated amiibo and Club Nintendo into the conversation, bash the price of Nintendo hardware and mention the lack of a headset. These topics have nothing to do with what we're discussing and it's pointless to bring them up (and I don't feel the need to respond to them further). I didn't think so before, but now I'm wondering if you are actually a fanboy.

First up, I'm not comparing free to play PC games to other games on PS/Xbox. I'm straight up comparing the same games on PC and PS/Xbox, games that you pay for and then pay extra to be able to use the online component only on PS/Xbox. I've mentioned this multiple times, but you seem to read over that every time. On that same note, you seem to be ignoring PC/Steam this whole time. I agree that Nintendo's online is not comparable to the services you get with PSN/Xbox live, but Steam certainly is.

I don't care that the service costs only $5 a month, it's irrelevant to bring up that price (what $5 is worth is completely subjective). It's about unnecessarily asking money to play online so the companies can maximize their profits. Don't be so condescending, I understand the service, I understand why they're asking money for it. Just because you're fine with paying, doesn't mean everyone should be or even that it's actually a good thing. You must be reading some other replies as well, because I'm not bragging about Nintendo's online, I'm just stating it's free. The bottle-comment is ridiculous. Not every Nintendo game has online, but games like MK8, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 3/4 Ultimate, Pokémon, Fantasy Life and other games have online that works well. Don't act like it doesn't. (Yes, it doesn't have all of the frills of PSN/Xbox live, but the online works well.) As a side note, if you think it costs $2000 to build a PC that outperforms Xbox One or PS4, you're not that smart.

Why bring up these fictional Nintendo fanboys that were laughing at the DdoS of PS/Xbox's online services? I didn't see any of them, I'm not one of them. I know there's little you can do to stop that kind of thing. And again the fanboy-like dig at Nintendo's online, people would notice if their online services stopped working, you only need to go back to Christmas 2013 to see that.

Enjoy your PSN/Xbox live, I'm glad you're happy with them. You're not going to convince me that they're really necessary or anything other than the companies making as much profit as they can.

Wouwter

#34

Wouwter commented on Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An E...:

@Quorthon It's funny you bring up that Kotaku article (even though it doesn't have any relation to the discussion). While it's stupid of people to yell at customer service people on the phone, it also showed that the people at customer service were poorly informed about what was going on.

“During this flood of calls, the higher-ups didn't explain much to Dan and crew, other than the fact that it was "an attack."”

“Throughout the outage, Sony's customer service agents were in the dark as much as the rest of us, Dan says. They didn't know what Sony was doing, when the servers would be restored, or even how Sony planned to avoid this sort of situation in the future. ”

That PSN money really helps, huh? (Yeah, I'm getting sarcastic now, sorry.)

Of course hosting servers cost money, you don't explain why that would require you to pay extra though?

I disagree about “sharply” cutting into profits, it MIGHT cause them to earn smaller profits. I think it's offset by lowering the cost, not producing and shipping physical products. Either way, they're still making a profit... :/ I have no experience with Gamestop, but that doesn't seem like a compliment at all.

Sure, Sony cleverly offers more than just online. On the other hand, you are required to pay if you just want to play online, even though you've already paid for the games. To reiterate, if you want to make full use of the game you bought, you need to pay extra. And let's not forget a large part of what Sony offers is also offered for free on PC/Steam (online, plenty of discounts, profiles, 'avatars' really?). Renting games (let's just call it what it is, because it's not free) could easily be a service on its own. If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly the way it used to be. (It seems to me requiring it to play online is just to force more people on that service, but that's besides the point.)

The Wii U doesn't have that many games that have an online component, true. But with the games that do, the online runs pretty great. Wii U and PC is indeed the way to go, for more reasons that just free online. About the MMO comment, I see that as another way to pay for the game, not to go online.

At the end of the day, with MS and Sony you pay for something that's free on PC and Nintendo systems. I'm going to ignore most of paragraph following this, I'm not at all saying everything should be free. As I've said before, they can make the money to pay for the servers by selling the games. Online isn't just free on Nintendo platforms, it's free on PC as well (for example Far Cry 4: online on PC is free, PS4 requires PSN).

I'm not arguing the services aren't 'worth it' to people, I'm saying it's just another way for companies to earn more money. Sometimes it seems like people forget we're talking about companies, they exist to make as much money as they can.

Wouwter

#35

Wouwter commented on Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An E...:

@Quorthon Eh, my first comment was a bit of an easy dig at the service, without any reasoning or explanation, so I understand your reaction.

I still can't say I agree with you, really.
1) As far as I'm aware (I don't claim to be an expert on this subject) DDoS attacks don't actually damage anything, it's just that the servers aren't able to handle the ridiculous amount of requests sent their way.
2) Free to play games have their own ways of making sure they are profitable (also War Thunder and Blacklight Retribution seem to be on Steam as well, a free service).
3) Digital shops usually don't sell games for less than their physical counterparts, even though there's no need to produce actual discs and ship them across the world. That money saved isn't going to the consumer, it could go to maintaining the servers for the digital shop.
4) I know the servers require maintenance, that doesn't necessarily mean a consumer has to pay (for no game in particular) those costs. Companies profit from selling those games, the payment for online is just a bonus. (For example, again, there are plenty of online games on PC, almost always with free online.)

It is paying to be online. On top of whay you pay your ISP. It makes no sense to me.

Besides that, I think requiring people to pay for online wouldn't be good for Nintendo. Mainly because it seems a lot of parents buy Nintendo systems for their kids, I don't think they would understand such a thing and would see it as a big negative. Maybe some other subscription would work, like a subscription to acces all the Virtual Console games, but even that I'm not a fan of. :P

The Pokémon bank is a pretty horrible thing as I understand it. Particularly because it is now required to trade Pokémon between different generations of the games (I may be wrong about this, I haven't used it). Something that could be done locally before. :(

Wouwter

#36

Wouwter commented on Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An E...:

@Quorthon I know the value of what you're getting and I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of it. I just don't like a lot of parts of this subscription service, the paying for online is one. Not being able to acces any of the "free" games you "have" after you stop your subscription is another point (it locks you into that platform and into the subscription imo). I don't think it's something Nintendo should pursue.

Edit: I did not pay for Pokémon bank by the way, I don't like that either. :P I'm a fan, not a fanboy, Nintendo is not without faults.