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Reggie Has Seen The Xbox One And PS4 Launch Lineups, And He Says "Meh"

Posted by Damien McFerran

"I feel very good about our lineup"

As we all know, Microsoft and Sony will be launching their next-generation consoles this holiday season. That means additional competition for the already-struggling Wii U, a console which has seen some amazing games and has more in the pipeline, but doesn't enjoy the same depth of third party support as its rivals.

However, Nintendo of America's Reggie Fils-Aime doesn't seem to be too concerned with the impending arrival of new hardware — in fact, he's been quite dismissive of the threat, citing the superior selection of software on the Wii U as the reason for his bullishness.

Speaking to IGN, Reggie said:

It’s all about the games. The competitive systems have announced their launch lineups. I’m allowed to say ‘Meh’. I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup. We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong. In addition to great titles like Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101, I feel very good about our lineup, and I feel very good about the value proposition we’re putting out there for the consumer.

In the same interview, Reggie was also quizzed about how Nintendo is going to deal with the rapid advance of technology that is being spearheaded by its rivals. He responded:

We don’t talk about the tech. We talk about the experience. We make sure that the consumer has fun with the game experiences that we provide. And so I think as you compare and contrast Nintendo with other players in the space, for us it’s about games, about the fun, about the entertainment value, and not about the tech.

The Wii U does have some promising games on the horizon, that much is obvious — but the vast majority of them are being created by Nintendo itself. Hopefully the recent price cut can stimulate sales and encourage a few more third parties to support the console, giving it more of a fighting chance going into 2014.

Do you think Reggie is right to be so dismissive of the threat of the Xbox One and PS4? Is his confidence misplaced, or will the Nintendo Difference come into play once more? Post a comment below to tell us what you think.


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Vincent294 said:

"Meh" may be an understatement, at least in comparison to the Wii U's launch lineup. But now the Wii U has some good stuff on the horizon, not to mention X, Smash Bros 4, & the next Zelda game are on the way as well. As for tech specs, the Xbox One & PS4 can power the experience to an extent if the developers use the hardware wisely. I think Nintendo should've gone for better tech specs for the Wii U, but it's definitely better than current gen systems. It can certainly power good games, but developers may struggle a little getting their visions to work on the Wii U when porting. The price drop certainly helps justify this though, so I'm all good. I'll probably get a Wii U for X when that comes out.



HP_3 said:

Reggie's right, it's all about the games. The Wii U will be fine this holiday season.



AltDotNerd said:

Xbone and PS4 have mostly shared games (Assassin's Creed 4, MGS: PP, CoD Ghosts, etc.)
Nintendo has Pokemon X & Y, Zelda WWHD & Link Between Worlds, DK Tropical Freeze, and even more!

Super Smash Bros 4 will be nothing short of the apocalypse for Xbone and PS4. To be honest, though, I am getting the PS4 for some of the aforementioned games. But Nintendo is my #1 priority!



Rafie said:

It's "meh" for now, but the competition will be fierce next year. Reggie can't deny that. Nintendo will certainly have the upper hand this holiday though.



Grubdog said:

@Rafie what's interesting is that when those 2 consoles hit their "post-launch drought", Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros will be arriving. I think they'll be fine.



Dyltheman said:

i like this confident side of reggie. brings me back to 2004, nintendo's best ever e3.



Einherjar said:

@Grubdog Let them use their big guns right at the start, if you can talk about big guns with such lineups. They will soon run out of ammo, since developing for "next gen" games takes a lot of time and cost a lot of money (longer quiet phases between games to develop and produce income).
And in that time, Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros hit the scene, With a more steady network system, the backup of the Miiverse communitys and the friendlist feature, im sure this could be a new era of competetive nintendo games that will surely leave a mark on the whole market.



Cuddles said:

"I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup. We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong."

Yeah. Every console you release has that stuff...



Nintenjoe64 said:

Their lineups are incredibly 'meh' but none of them will suffer critically for it. They'll still get 8+ scores despite being the blandest of the bland shooters and sequels to action adventures that offer nothing new except new bugs.

The part of the upcoming console wars that interests me is which of Sony and MS will get totally shafted by the gaming press for the next 12 months. Nintendo have had a bad year for it but Sony and MS have to do more this holiday to deem their consoles a success. IGN would have us believe that 9/10 gamers are Sony gamers who have a PS4 pre-ordered but I remember a similar situation with the PS3.....



SuperKMx said:

"I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup. We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong."

Well that's three. Wonderful 101 and Pikmin. That's five.

PS4 has 15 titles at retail on day one, plus a bunch of solid looking downloadable games, and Xbox One has 18 retail titles on day one, plus a bunch of solid looking downloadable titles. Most of the retail titles on those machines are "triple A" releases, too.

I don't particularly think Reggie's played this one correctly, if I'm honest. Especially the day after announcing My First Handheld Console.



orravan85 said:

Excellenent. I absolutly enjoy my Wii U. My family has never played games together as much as it does now thanks to Nintendo. From the wife to my year old son. There is truly fun for the whole family. Currently we play Game & Wario almost everyday before bed. I do not see myself needing a PS4 or Xbone this generation of consoles.



DreamOn said:

Reggie still more interesting than those Sony guys that talked at the Sony Gamescom conference, that's for sure!



WiiLovePeace said:

I agree with Reggie, personally I have no interest in most of the launch lineups for the non-Nintendo consoles. I'm really excited for the upcoming Wii U & 3DS games Life is good.



gaby_gabito said:

I'm much more excited about the upcoming Nintendo games than the others' exclusives as well It's also nice not having to fork over a half grand just to play those games.



dumedum said:

Reggie is right again.
@SuperKMx you're acting as if these 5 games are all Nintendo has. Nintendo has 17 upcoming first party games. Unless you're saying Mario also includes titles like Mario Olympics etc, not to mention there is Sonic, and there is plenty of downlodable titles already available and upcoming for the Wii U eshop... the launch alone to this day includes 30 or so quality overall titles already available.



Marshi said:

I have a wiiu. Im buying a ps4,im super excited and hyped for the ps4 until someone asks me what games il be getting...and I dont know. Killzone looks ok I supose. But its like reggie says,its a "meh" launch. When I think what games il be playing this xmas,it'll be windwaker,mario 3d world, assassins creed 4, watchdogs,all for my wiiu.



Marshi said:

@SuperKMx The wiiu had 24 games at launch,yet only 2 or 3 were worth it. What are the 15 games on ps4? The highlights are killzone and knack,2 games. 2 games that no one will play 6 month after launch. The ps4 launch is meh just like reggie said



datamonkey said:

Shame it wasn't "all about the games" for the most of 2013 though eh Reggie?!

Still the lineup for the rest of the year is solid. Let's hope this continues into 2014 and beyond.



ultraraichu said:

"I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup. We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong."

Also other multiplatform games and indies 2013 download.



DualWielding said:

of course the Wii U will have a better lineup when the other consoles launch, it has been around for one year but I'm pretty sure come December 2014 the lineups of the other consoles would be much bigger than Wii u's would ever be due to Wii U's lack of third party support



banacheck said:

Misinformed people.

To most normal people old Reggie haven't even taken there own advice, else the Wii U would never of launched the way it did. And snice launch the Wii U has been Meh, and thats just comparing it to the PS3 never mind the PS4. And hasn't there always been a Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong? we do need more innovation, but the trouble is when that does happen The Wonderful 101 it bombs, so Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kony is all the innovation you get. I don't mind because i'll will play a lot of other excellent games too, as well as certain Wii U games.



jasonbra said:

@SuperKMx TO be fair, quite a few of those triple A titles are also coming out on wiiu. The only ones really missing are the EA titles, and if you couldnt care less about sports titles then theres BF4.



WaveGhoul said:

Killer Instinct is the only title of the two consoles that i'm mildly interested in...If that.

Otherwise,for the most part it looks like the same old poop from last gen with more visual pizzaz and without a single shred of some decent next gen innovation. But the majority of die hard PS/XBOX fans don't need innovation, as long as the graphics, resolution, voice acting, cut scenes, scripted explosions & AI, achievements and resolution keep bigger and better.

You can only get that one of a kind experience on the Wii U which cannot be replicated on either the BroBox 1 or Sony Stalestation 4. Too bad as of now only a few or so titles put the game pad to good use, meanwhile even the big N seems to be almost at a loss based on what to do with it, as evident with SM3D World where all you do is use the game pad's screen to maneuver the in-game camera around the environments to find secret objects or paths. yay!



belmont said:

I am tired of all this Zelda, Pokémon, Mario and Donkey Kong. Nintendo has resources and experience to create something new and good. Latest installments where not for me.



UnseatingKDawg said:

He may be a tad overconfident, but you can't deny that Nintendo may do better for the holidays - after all, they'll have the lowest price on the market, and a good number of games are coming - sure, maybe a handful, but at $60 a pop, it's not bad. Not to mention, the Wii U is still backwards-compatible with Wii titles, so that may help their sales, if a little. And he is right - the hardware means nothing if you don't have the proper software to back it up.

To be honest, I think that this generation is going to focus on Nintendo vs. Sony - I think the Xbox One isn't going to be a threat to either of them.



Doma said:

We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong.

Same old line up... wow. The only game i really want from those (DK) isn't enough to make me buy the crappy console, knowing i'd be in for another full year's wait for the next game of interest.

Sorry Reggie, but i'll only look forward to buying a Wii U on its deathbed, end generation. Focus development resources towards the 3ds instead, please.



Araknie said:

I too don't get the exictment at Xbox One and PS4 line-up.
What's to be excited to line-ups that privlege only players you likes gore or car games?

Plus, where are the amazing exclusives, it's just like the Wii U line-up for launch, nothing special.

But now Nintendo has put out already some exclusives and more are coming. Reggie, why don't you mention Sonic also? Really Nintendo gots to much but people is right when they say that Nintendo doesn't know how to advertise what they have.



GamerJunkie said:

PS4 alone has Madden & NBA games at launch(not sure about soccer/futbol but nintendo also lacks this), Nintendo has none. Yea I know the non sports gamers dont care, but in the USA and Europe and everywhere else people love sports.

To me alone, it is a huge deal. Sports games on these next gen machines will be using all new realistic engines and be the best sports games ever and Nintendo is just skipping that, lose millions and millions of customers just in this genre alone.

Oh yea sports gamers are also mostly played by adults, maybe that is why Nintendo doesn't care? They are busy making the next skylanders, smurfs and lego game for children.......



DarkCoolEdge said:

@SuperKMx Yeah, because WiiU launched with only 5... nope, it had a nice launch line-up. Add to that the fact that WiiU is getting a lot of ps4 games too.

As far as I am concerned, One and ps4 line ups are worse than meh. I'll consider ps4 in a year or two. One is not my cup of tea as 360 wasn't either.

I don't understand why and when this web got so full of haters and trolls. It was such a nice place... (@GamerJunkie is a fine example).



LavaTwilight said:

Xbone are boned! PS4 is the major concern here, as I think they have a broad-enough audience to be a strong candidate moving forwards. I can't release inside information for obvious reasons but here in the UK, pre-orders for the Xbone have been less than favourable. The WiiU is looking really good.



micronean said:

well, when you're so deeply involved in one system, as reggie is, you end up developing a certain "tunnel vision" about your own product. So Reggie is a bit wrong to say "meh" at Sony and MS. Most everyone else is eagerly awaiting their launch software.
Reggie should be more polite about his competitors, seeing as Nintendo is already far behind in software support this coming generation.



Ralizah said:

The Zelda game is just a visually enhanced Gamecube game. The Mario game just looks like SM3DL with multiplayer and better graphics.And the DK game looks too similar to DKCR.



Malouff said:

Nintendo does make great first party games.
However, I am tired of the lack of third party support for Nintendo and when they do finally get support is it sometimes a different game with missing features for example.

Because of the lack of third party support for Nintendo I too will be getting a PS4 this generation.

I also like how Sony and Microsoft let you sign into an account to access games unlike Nintendo who ties games to the system.

I hate when you upgrade from say a DSi to a DSiXL and have to send them in to Nintendo to transfer content. Not only that but you have to purchase multiple copies of the game for each handheld where with Sony and the Vita you can register two Vita's and access your games on either system.



Peach64 said:

@LavaTwilight Game, Amazon and ShopTo have all sold out of Xbox One launch day stock. Not sure how that's less than favourable. I agree that Xbox One and PS4 will probably have slow sales next year, as is usual for a new console, but the question is will they go as low as Wii U did, which has seen the lowest weekly/monthly sales of any console since the Sega Saturn.



SuperKMx said:

@DarkCoolEdge Not to start an argument, but just because someone says something against the great and almighty Nintendo, it doesn't make them a troll or a "hater. " It means that they have an opinion.

An opinion that is just as valid as yours, if expressed correctly.



VeeFlamesNL said:

@DarkCoolEdge Yeah, me too. Yes, we get that the U's struggling. And there are some reasons behind it. But it doesn't mean that we should be all 'Wii U Problems And Criticism' all the time... sigh...
Anyway... Just bring in games and I'll be happy...



Ailingforale said:

I'm also one to not totaly care about the Xbox One and PS4 lineup. However, while they are releasing sequels and such (as some have pointed out) so is Nintendo. I won't be picking up any of the games he mentioned right now. I'm looking forward to Watchdogs and X, but personally it's an all around Meh-fest.

I really want to see this new IP that Miyamoto is working on...



LavaTwilight said:

That's kool that those online stores are now sold out. Do you know if that's worldwide or just for a region? I can only go on what I know which is UK pre-orders for a particular high-street store which are market leaders in video games. They sell games but I can't say the name of the game store due to protocol in the game industry that sell video games. Let's call them shop X.



ricklongo said:

LOL, gotta love Reggie.

I'm not sure if that comment was the best option for a corporate businessman, but I gotta say I wholeheartedly agree with him anyway. There are exactly zero exclusive launch games on each other console that appeals to me. Most of them are the same old, same old hyper-realistic shooters and racers - 'meh' indeed. Then there's a promising game like Ryse, which is apparently dumbed down to the point of being more a movie than a game (sadly a common occurence these days).

Either way, it's a matter of taste. Be that as it may, I still think Nintendo will murder the competition this holiday season.



Savino said:

"We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong." Yeah.... And something new?!



Ailingforale said:

Ryze could have been a system seller if it was made as they promo'd it a while back, now it's just another game in a similar genre.



DarkCoolEdge said:

@SuperKMx Obviously. There are a lot of things I don't like about Nintendo and I don't keep them to myself but there are a lot of ways to express an opinion and some are troll-like and others aren't. I think it's very reasonable, ain't it?
Besides, a good and polite argument can be fun



archlord said:

The Wii U has a lot on the horizon, but I'm worried if there's much of anything planned aside from what we've been shown already.

Hopefully we'll be bombarded with a slew of new title announcements soon, but I'm not too optimistic about it.



rjejr said:

Is it fair to compare 2nd year releases with new system releases? I agree w/ Reggie, the Wii U line-up compared w/ the other 2 looks good this holiday. Add in the prices of $299, $399, $499 and things look even better for the Wii U. But it still feels like the new consoles are going to sell.

Fortunately for Nintnedo (looking for silver linings here) the Wii U has sold so poorly and been almost non-existant in the consumers minds that maybe they can actually "launch" the Wii U as if it were a new console this year.

And for everybody repeating the "Mario, Zelda, DK" refrain - that's the reason people buy Nintendo consoles. And parents buy them for their kids b/c they DON'T have FPS games. The Wii U is also getting:

Disney Infinity and Skylanders and Lego Marvel.
AC:4 and W_D and Batman.
Rayman and Sonic and Mario & Sonic Winter Olympic games.

So I agree w/ Reggie, their line-up is better. Don't know if it will win them the season though. Early 2014 is what really matters anyway, that's when the Wii U disappeared. Will the other 2?



DarkCoolEdge said:

@Savino What do MS or Sony have of their own? Forza (uoooh), Knack, Drive Club and Killzone if I remember correctly. What makes the difference is that those games you said tend to be different in each of their incarnations. Compare that to other franchises.

As much as I like Uncharted or God of War, there's almost no difference between each of them (I'm comparing the games of the same ip, no Uncharted vs GoW).



DaemonSword said:

It definitely will be 'meh,' but for some reason, the bromance sheep love those other consoles, and like lemmings that they are, they will buy them after 5 red or blue rings of death, and would make out with them, if they could. sigh



Peach64 said:

@LavaTwilight It's for the UK, as you said 'Here in the UK pre-orders are less than favourable'. I am assuming you are talking about Game, as they're the only ones that could be classed as a market leader, and even their sales are dwarfed by Amazon. Game are one of the retailers sold out of it. As for the Wii U looking really good... is that it's Q4 line up looking really good, or it's current sales? Because it's current sales are not really good. 10,000 units sold through Europe and Australia in 3 months is not really good. People still don't seem to grasp how bad the console is doing. Yes, things will improve with Mario and Donkey Kong, but they're doing so bad that if sales increased to one hundred times what they currently are, they'd still only be doing okay.



ScorpionMG said:

@Doma 3DS will do fine with all its games it already has, and zelda and pokemon will come as well, this time, though the Wii U needs games and they need to focus on the wii u games until the sales pick up, And i dont get you, Theres not only DK wind waker and mario 3d world, theres more, Sonic, Mario kart, Smash bros, X, Alot of indie games and some 3rd parties as well.



crobatman said:

@Marshi Killzone 3 came out in 2011 and my brother, myself and thousands of other people still play it. So I am guessing Shadow Fall will alos be played for a long time?
While the launch line ups are weak compared what Nintendo is offering this holiday, it is not fair to compare launch line ups to an existing consoles line up :S
and besides none of the upcoming games on Wii U don't even excite me, even the price cut doesn't. What does is an original Zelda game, SSB and Project X, until then Nintendo can keep their Mario games. Looks like it will be a very 3DS and PS3 orientated holiday for me......



DarkNinja9 said:

true its about the software but you also have to had prognosticated on the tech of your own console you cant be far behind either or be able to release some sort of update/patch for things to boost your tech

either way the games seem to have been thrown to close to each other alot of games coming out on October so will be hard to decide on games



sinalefa said:

Now he reminds me more of the old Regginator. And in my particular case I agree with him. I am not getting a PS4 just for Knack, so I will be waiting at least a couple of years to pick up one, if I ever decide to do it.



FullbringIchigo said:

@Doma you mean like the XB1 "we have Forza we have Halo we have COD"
Same old line up... wow.

or PS4 "we have Killzone we have inFAMOUS we have COD also"
Same old line up... wow.

all consoles have their same old lineup, it's what gives the system their identity's

@crobatman i know that it is not fair to compare launch line ups to an existing consoles line up, but they do it was done to the WiiU when it launched and it will be done to the PS4 and XB1 as well because after all it's the games coming out in the holiday season that are important and even if it's a launch lineup if the other systems have a better one then your going to struggle



Kicked2TheKirb said:

Lets hope nintendo does well... theyve been storing sll their games for a year to blow their load this holiday season. Lets hope they keep the train rollin.



Splat said:

"We’ve got Zelda. We’ve got Mario. We’ve got Donkey Kong."

Yeah, we know it's the same line up of games you have had for 20 years.



SuperKMx said:

@DarkCoolEdge It sure can! I just don't see what I've said that was particularly troll-like. I certainly didn't say anything that was more inflammatory than Reggie's "Meh", anyway.



IxnayontheCK said:

Nintendo knows they wont have primary system status so of course he's confident. And tbh I'm a bit meh about the ps4/xbone launch lineup



LavaTwilight said:

I didn't really want a huge facts for facts arguments on this. Facts can be used to prove anything that's even remotely true! A company that's sold out of a product they only had 1,000 of is not doing better than a company that has 50% of their stock left if they originally had 10,000, even though listing that product as 'sold out'.
On a different note I like your avatar. Mine needs updating.



ikki5 said:

What is so different with him saying this when other consoles are like "we got Halo, BF, CoD." They have the exact same line of of games just like Nintendo has their, the only difference is, the huge titles the PS4/Xone get are multiplatform games. So yes, each consoles get their line up of their popular games but just because he mentions Zelda, Mario, and DK, That does not mean that is all that is coming. There is other games, great games in fact, coming to the system during the holiday and after.



Royalblues said:

Shame. He's saying "meh" now, but just wait until scores of blockbuster games (and I am not just talking shooter games) come out for the other two consoles. There won't be anything to "meh" about then.
And the other two consoles averaged (and I am going to type this out) twenty-five hundred pre-orders per minute during E3. The fact that Reggie is putting on this nonchalant front tells me how desperate they are.



Savino said:

@DarkCoolEdge they were not milked for the last 30 years?!

Yeah, Í agree with you, killzone 1 is more similar to the next KZ than Mario 1 when compared to any other Mario, but the game isfun, got a diferent story, got a competitive multiplayer that I can play without having a party at home, I mean, things that is more suitable to my life style!

I am not bashing Nintendo, I like their game and will buy the next Mario Kart as fast as the next person (sorry, I really didnt like Mario 3D World), or the next new zelda or metroid, but using its names as something utterly unskippable is a little too much from their part!

What I really want is nintendo to step up and say: look, we have this! Is new, is exciting, and uses the wiiu hardware like never before! Just that!

Sony is at least trying with Knack, even if it's not really for me!



Shambo said:

@Grubdog exactly. When I look at the launch lineups of Micro$ony, 'meh' is all I can say. And we all know there will be delays, disappointments, indeed the 'post-launch drought', and with Nintendo picking up very well (bought 3 new games this month alone: Rayman, W101, Splinter Cell), new bundles, price cut, past the aforementioned 'drought',... It's finally starting to look good, like I always said it would. Nintendo's power is within their original systems and top quality games. The latter come only over time, but early buyers like myself and in fact anyone with more than a handful of functional brain cells should know that.



Doma said:

@ScorpionMG The 3DS sure is looking fine for the rest of this year, but next? it's starting look quite stale again. Could lose its momentum if they're not careful. As for Wii U games:

Sonic - Rarely ever good anymore
Mario kart - I've had my fill of these, they aren't getting any better.
Smash Bros. - Do want, but i'll make do with the 3DS version.
X - hardly know a thing about it. Not coming anytime soon.
3rd parties and indie stuff - What 3rd parties? lol (seriously though, Sony's serves me well enough with both already).

See... nothing to be excited about.

@FullbringIchigo @ikki5 You mistake me for somebody who is drooling over the PS4/Xbone line-ups. I don't care much for both (although the PS4 is most appealing to me overall). As soon as PS3 support begins to decline, my next logical step will be to upgrade (rather than downgrade with the U).



Shambo said:

@DarkCoolEdge In Sony's defence, they have ICO and Shadow of the Colossus, two of my favourite games. End of defence.

Microsoft... Bought Rare... But that's the ball and chain of Rare, not the crown of Microsoft.



SpookyMeths said:

Well, I love his confidence, and I agree that the Wii U's lineup is superior, but it would be foolish to simply dismiss the competition. The XBO and PS4 both have launch titles whose predecessors outsold every Wii U title so far. PS's IP and XB's horde of dudebros is nothing to shake a stick at.



Marshi said:

@crobatman Totally see where you're coming from dude. I was comparing launch line ups as no launch line up is ever good)at least not in recent years). And this christmas is definately a "play it safe" move by nintendo so I see how alot will be "meh" over yet another new mario or donkey kong. However it is a shrewd move by nintendo as these games will shift wiiu's and bring in the casuals and eventually (hopefully) more third party suport. Ps3's getting some good stuff this christmas too and as ive said im super excited for the ps4,But as reggie says its all about games and I truly think nintendo has the games this year. Next year when the ps4 big guns come out may be a diferent story though...



Goginho said:

I feel the same way Reggie feels, and I bet he gets tired saying the same words and statements over and over again and educating these fools



crobatman said:

@Marshi yeah great points, unfortunately for Nintendo, they missed out on selling me a Wii U as in Australia there has been no indication of a price cut or a wind waker bundle, so it sucks to be a Nintendo fan in Australia



Marshi said:

@crobatman oh well if you're in australia then I completely see why you're not a fan of the wiiu. Ive heard you guys have been treated like some third world country when it comes to suport. And is it true games are like $90 there(£60ish here in england)?



Rafie said:

@Grubdog You have a point. I just won't negate that fact when the other 2 start gaining momentum with more games coming out next year and so. It's easy to say "meh" to the launch line up of both consoles compared to what the Wii U is about to get. However, the Wii U's launch line up was "meh" as well. It goes across all boards.

I think most to all can agree that the competition will be fierce. People who continue to underestimate the Wii U will be in for a shock! It's mostly the Sony and Microsoft fanboys who continues to think that Nintendo isn't a threat.



Quickman said:

I really want to like the PS and XBOX as most of my friends own them but I just don't find the games that appealing to justify buying one.

Stuff like Blacklist and Watchdogs are on Wii U and use the gamepad, since Konami have decided not to release PES Playmaker for the Wii U then PES is the only game that I'd be interested in on those platforms. I think that I'd rather wait with fingers crossed for a 3DS version than buying another console..



unrandomsam said:

@crobatman If I was in Australia I would just have imjported an NTSCU Wii U by now. (You can import anything without duty afaik). Drop ship it to Oregon (No sales tax) get it sent over by one of the services set up to do just this with no import duty. Save a fortune and have the best region.



unrandomsam said:

@LavaTwilight It depends. Selling 10000 of something a a loss or 1000 of something at a big profit. Sony and MS flushed tons of money away for very little gain.



Spleetal said:

They may have a lot more AAA titles but a lot of those you can already get on PS3 and Xbox 360 so why upgrade right away? Especially when it'll cost $400 and up to essentially play a game you could play right now. Once Mario Kart 8 and the new Smash Bros comes out Wii U will sell well, Everyone I know is waiting for Smash Bros and Mario Kart and they don't even know about the new Zelda game in development yet



Melkaticox said:

@Rafie Next year Nintendo will have even MORE games. Hello? Zelda U?
The only launch exclusives on the PS4 will be...Killzone and (pukes) Knack. Wow.
At least the Xbox One has Dead Rising 3, that Rome game and a bunch of others's $500 :/ $200 more than the Wii U and $100 more than the PS4...

So yeah, the Wii U's having a much better holiday season.
Another thing...
WHY are so many people obsessed with "new" IPs? Oh, you mean like The Last of Us? That interactive movie? New characters, new story and new IP! That means Super Mario Galaxy was a new IP! And Skyward Sword! And Kirby's Epic Yarn :/...



unrandomsam said:

@Jllanos22 It sort of is about the games. But when all the big names are on XBONE/PS4/PC (And the PC version is dirt cheap) there is little reason to have either of the others.

(At least with the PC you can just throw hardware at the problem. Be different if they were higher in quality as the price suggests they should be).

What I really want is a Wii U that is built into the controller. (No drive).
Be the most powerful portable.

Best platforms are where the portable and the full version are exectly the same.


TG16 / Turboexpress
Genesis / Nomad

(Everything you do for one you get for the other.)



Caryslan said:

Honestly, I see no reason to upgrade ton any of the new systems. The 3DS is getting Smash Bros, so my main reason for wanting a Wii U is gone and the system is too shaky to make me feel comfortable buying it.

And the PS4 and Xbox One are meh for me right now. For the first time since I've been playing games since the 16-bit era, none of the new system have impressed me or made me want to get them. They just seem to be more of the same with little media features or polish to make them seem new.

I'm just better sticking with a 3DS, my PS3, and Wii for right now. Nothing on the new systems has impressed me so far.



chaos_ said:

Coming from a Nintendo fanboy**** I think the Wii U is mainly going to appeal to Nintendo fanboys this holiday were as the ps4 will appeal to all people even non Sony fan boys. I mean yea we have good coming titles but there all rehashes baring sonic. And those aren't going to bring people to the Wii u. If 3d world was switched with something like "super Mario sunshine 2 or galaxy 3". And DKCR tropical freeze switched for a 3d DK game non Wii owners would say "ohh haven't seen those in a while or those at all now I'll get a Wii u" but people are going too look at those coming out and say "wait don't I have this on 3ds or on Wii why do I need a Wii u for this??" which is why its mainly going to appeal to people that own a Wii u



ikki5 said:

I was never saying you were drooling over those games, I was simply point out the flaw in your argument when you said it is the same old same old because the other platforms have the same thing as well for lineups.



Sir_JBizzle said:

I think Reggie says 'Meh' because just in true Nintendo fashion, they are doing their own thing. I'm not sure they are shooting for #1, but more or less the secondary I would gather most people who have multiple systems either have offerings from all three (like myself) or have a combination of Microsoft or Sony alongside Nintendo.

Of course I hope he doesn't eat his words, because obviously they are going to have to do well enough to win back some third-party support in 2014 which will determine their overall status in marketplace.



DarkCoolEdge said:

@SuperKMx The troll-like comment didn't include you. I should have placed your reply at the bottom of my comment to avoid the misunderstanding. My bad.

Still, WiiU came out with a solid line up, or at least that was what most people said at the time.
NSMB U, Zombi U, CoD, Darksiders II, Nintendo Land, Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden... could've been better but it doesn't compare badly with the new ones albeit for its less capable hardware.

Post launch line up has been horrendous to say the least. The long loading times until the update were uncceptable and let's not get started with how they are handling 3DS' VC...

See? I'm not a blind Ninty lover either (or should I say neither?)



Tasuki said:

Honestly he has alot to say. He is saying hes not worried about the PS4 or Xbox One games at launch its not the launch he needs to worry about is the whole gen. Once more of those third party games hit Nintendo will be in trouble. They wont be the sloppy ports that the Wii U seem to get. Yeah Nintendo may be getting Mario and Zelda and DK but what they need is better third party support.

And they are not worried about the tech. Well thats nice but everyone else is nowadays including developers. The experience may have worked in the past when video games were a novelty but they aren't anymore. Besides if you don't care about the tech how can you give players a better gaming experience?

IMO Nintendo needs to get rid of Reggie.



Ryno said:

Only in the video game Internet world does the word "meh" have such an impact.



DarkKirby said:

They are both "Meh", but they are both actually still better than the Wii U's launch titles, and (arguably) titles even up to this point.

The real concern is how, as obviously would happen, the Wii U is once again, the weaker of the 3 systems, and the same thing will, and is arguably already happening again, (most) 3rd party developers are making a game for one system, porting it to the other, then plain leaving the Wii U out of the equation.



guttertalk said:

So, here's a quick review of the PS4 launch titles. (I'm focusing on the PS4 because it's the more likely of the X1 and PS4 that I'd buy. I'm self-centered.

If you like sports games, then the Wii U isn't an option. The PS4 has some other nice options, but it's not nearly as many as the total number of launch games might suggest. I would not say, "meh," but I also wouldn't say that the Wii U is thoroughly outclassed with the fall games. I think the sports/driving games are the most significant difference.

Call of Duty: Ghosts (Wii U)
Assassin's Creed: Black Flag (Wii U)
Battlefield 4 - PS4 advantage
Minecraft - PS4 advantage
Contrast - PS4 advantage
DC U Online - PS4 advantage
Driveclub - PS4 advantage
FIFA 14 - PS4 advantage
Just Dance 14 (Wii U)
Killzone - PS4 advantage
Knack - PS4 advantage
LEGO Marvel Superheroes (Wii U)
Madden NFL 25 - PS4 advantage
NBA 2K14 - PS4 advantage
NBA Live 14 - PS4 advantage
Need for Speed: Rivals - PS4 advantage
The Playroom (packin) - PS4 advantage
Resogun (PSN) - PS4 advantage
Skylanders Swap Force (Wii U)
Super Motherload (PSN) - PS4 advantage
Tiny Brains (PSN) - PS4 advantage
Warframe (PSN) - PS4 advantage
War Thunder (PSN) - PS4 advantage
Watch Dogs (Wii U)



Senario said:

@guttertalk That lineup is still meh, and are we including e shop games now? Nintendo has plenty of those. Plus first party titles. The only interesting game on there is minecraft but should be playing minecraft on PC since the experience with mods and such is amazing.



antipop621 said:

I'll likely take the plunge and buy an X1 and PS4 at some point but there is nothing at launch for either of them that I want.

My money is all Nintendo's for the rest of the year.



MadAdam81 said:

@Tasuki if tech is your concern, buy a PC. If you like innovative and fun consoles with experiences you can't get on PC, buy a Wii U.



ScorpionMG said:

@Doma Well not everyone is like you Mr Doma. Theres alot of people that love these games, And by 3rd party i meant ubisoft activision WB Namco bandai and Capcom, i know its not enough but i don't really care much about 3rd party games. I mostly go for exlusives, then indie games, then 3rd party (fps type or something like Assassins/batman)



guttertalk said:


I'm just listing the PS4 games, somewhat in response to @SuperKMx. I considered the eShop games, but the release dates for most aren't nailed down. Still, the eShop games are why I don't think the PSN games are a difference maker.

I don't play sports games anymore, so their Wii U absence isn't a big deal to me. For some, it is.

Otherwise, we're looking at Battlefield 4, Knack, and Killzone as the big games for the PS4. It's not that overwhelming, even though those are likely good or great games. I don't see the Wii U at a major disadvantage with the games lineup--it comes down to what types of games you like to play.



ScorpionMG said:

@MadAdam81 Totally agree. If you want tech, PC has everything you need to get from it. But The wii u is special, it makes friends and families come closer with each game they make for it



Rafie said:

@Melkaticox I honestly don't know how to receive your post. I don't know if you're trolling by ragging on The Last Of Us. By simply saying "interactive movie" game doesn't mean that it's not good. Nintendo and Microsoft has great games and bad ones too....just like Sony. I can argue for and against all 3. I just get tired of the hate on the Wii U. It's a great machine and it's NEXT GEN! Like others have said, if the Wii U isn't next gen...then neither is the PS4 and Xbox One. It's downright stupid to say ludicrous things like that. Oh and don't hold your breath for that new Zelda title. Too many blockbusters are hitting next year for the Wii U. I can see it being pushed back til 2015. I wouldn't be at that. Take all the time needed to make that GOTY status.



Yodelman64 said:

THe ps4 and the xbone do have a pretty big launch line up. THe problem is that they are basically the same old games from last generation, just a little bit more prettier.I'm really looking at these games and I see nothing different from last generation. But with the wii u's line up almost every single title i see it with tons of innovation. Types of games that weren't that abundant on the other consoles.



Rafie said:

@MadAdam81 Yup Minecraft is officially coming to other platforms. Well to be specific the PS3 and Vita. I'm not sure if I heard about a 3DS version, but that would be awesome if it were coming. I would get that version versus the rest.



Mytoemytoe said:

"We don't talk about the tech."

Yeah right! How can you say the tech isn't a focus when the Wii U's game pad is your selling point?



TrueWiiMaster said:

I kinda agree with him. I wasn't impressed with the launch lineups for the Xbox One or the PS4. Honestly, I was more impressed with the Wii U launch lineup (though I might be in the minority there), and this year's Wii U holiday lineup is much better than last year's.



Relias said:

Reggie= Damage Control... well said Reggie... I love how everyone says.. so what he is saying is.. we have DK, Zelda, and Mario.. (Like it's all chopped liver I might add) and it's same ole same ole for Nintendo.. when you can just as easily say on Sony/Microsoft side.. we have our yearly updates of Madden (That we are going to basically overcharge you for), NBA, Fifa, (Insert Golf game here) along with GTA, COD, God of War, Battlefield... etc.. and they act like these are the greatest and newest things in the world.. and not just basically the same thing they have been doing for what?? 20+ years now??

@Doma.. so your going to upgrade to exactly the same thing you currently have.. with just slight graphical improvements?? Wii U is a upgrade.. it's sounds to me like your truly downgrading your entire gaming experience though.. so really you are downgrading in the long run..

Back to topic.. I actually agree with Reggie... I looked at it and said.. you know if I wanted that.. I can just get a PS3.. and be satisfied for years.. it's no big deal.. there was nothing that looked.. A. That Impressive.. or B. Like anything new..



Rafie said:

@Yodelman64 If you go by the logic you presented by saying that the games are pretty much the same except for better graphics on the PS4/Xbox One, then the very same can be said of the Wii U. NSMBU is just a prettier version of the Wii predecessor. DKCF is a pretty version of DKC for the Wii and the 3DS. Or even Mario 3DLand for the Wii U in December is just the prettier version of the 3DS title. The only innovation being the gamepad. You see where I'm going with this?

By no means am I ragging on these wonderful games btw...I'm just making a point to your depiction of the other platforms. I don't mind any of the big 3 using the same format for their games. As long as there is something new to entice the gameplay, then you have me as a customer.



Undead_terror said:

Well with him being on Nintendo's side and all but I have to agree with him, the PS4 and xbone don't have games that I interest me besides Killer Instinct on the xbone, but it is not enough to make me buy the console.



Otto-Soq said:

I hope the Wii U is gonna be a hit. Me, as a handheld gamer....I love the 3DS XL mored than all the other stuff out there.



Emblem said:

I agree, the PS3 and Xbox360 actually have more interesting releases on the horizon than their successors imo. Its a shame the PS4 is not backwards compatible or i likely would have traded in my xbox360 and PS3 for it.

My pre-order list is full of 3DS, Wii U and PS3 titles, i'm sure the Steam Xmas sales will also temp me to pick up a few PC releases as well.



hYdeks said:

I'm picking up a PS4, it's lineup looks great and I can't wait for whats ahead



QuickSilver88 said:


But super those 15-18 titles are not all exclusives and many of them are coming to current gen, to pc, and many of the BIG ones are even coming to WiiU. Each system is getting about 2-3 exclusives at launch with XB1 getting Forza and Killer Instinct....big woop. What you and any other veteran player should know is launch lineups are generally weak and most systems aren't even worth owning until about 18 months out. I have owned every system since the Atari 2600 and the has been the way it goes. Best two systems for original or exclusive content this Xmas will be WiiU and PS3.......Also WiiU had a similar amount of titles at launch with many of 2012s big releases like AC3, COD,ME3,Batman AC as well as a few exclusives and some good Eshop like Trine2 and others. No denying this year has been rough for WiiU but the 3rd and 4th qtrs are looking up considerably.



Rafie said:

@QuickSilver88 Whatever happen to godlike launches like the Dreamcast had? LOL Everyone here is right. Both the Xbox One and PS4 has weak launches. Especially the PS4. Their launch games are the weakest in my opinion. So everyone for next gen pretty much had "meh" launch titles. LOL



GamerJunkie said:

@Subie98 Yes you are in the minority. Most people like one of the main sports at least that live in USA/Europe. Nintendo offers nothing for all of those gamers that enjoy sports.

They also are lacking in many other genres. My point is, they are focusing the majority of their resources on games for people 12 and under. This is a huge mistake when the average games is over 25 years old.

I guess they know they have a lot of kids as fans though and are trying to keep them as they are losing most of the adults with each passing generation of consoles because they make so few games fro them.



SuperKMx said:

@QuickSilver88 I don't understand that, to be honest. Launch lineups are not generally weak. Far from it. There's a lot of dross, sure, but there are generally a handful of solid titles. The platform holder tries to put their best foot forward in order to drive sales. Doesn't always work, but you generally get a handful of titles.

And you're missing Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Fighter Within, Zoo Tycoon, Crimson Dragon, Lococyle, Peggle 2, and Powerstar Golf from your list of Xbox launch exclusives (plus a handful of digital titles that are TBC.) They're not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but they're exclusive, nonetheless, and can't be just glossed over because it suits the argument.



QuickSilver88 said:


Funny but what it did have 2K football and Crazy Taxi and maybe Sonic Adv and Soul Cal at or near launch if my memory serves.....pretty great actually. Sometimes one awesome game like Zelda with N64 or Mario with SNES is better than a bunch of crap that isn't worth 50-60 but you buy anyways to have something to play. I thought X360 was decent at launch but 4 months after it got Oblivion which was super and kept me busy most of 2006. PS2 was horrible with the great Fireworks simulator and PS3 was so bad I didn't buy until 2008 when the MGS4 bundle came out. GC was actually pretty good with SW Rogue Leader and Waverace and a few other decent games and Wii was good with the ever popular Wii Sports and the TLP upgrade (which I actually played on GC because it was out a few months earlier and didn't use motion controls). So certainly launches vary but what always follows is drought where only a few titles trickle out. As my other post stated I think things are trickier this time because the entrenchedness of ps360 and so many AAA coming out in 2014 for new and current gen and PC. Many gamers won't see a reason to upgrade until xmas 2014 or 2015 when the real next gen exclusives start to roll and no backwards compatibility for xb1 and ps4 certainly doesn't help. I still think WiiU can do well in the next few years with a price and the Nintendo advantage but what would be great for the next Wii is if they beefed up the hardware but kept the gamepad compatible so the could sell a core unit cheaper and let you still use your WiiU gamepad....



Tony_342 said:

I absolutely agree with Reggie. The XBOX One has shown me nothing that makes me want one (I've never had the slightest interest in any XBOX system, and am still baffled how the 360 has managed to sell so well), and while I'm looking forward to the PS4, the only game that I'm actually interested in is inFamous: Second Son. And that's not even a launch title.

The Wii U has a much, much better lineup for the next several months than those systems do (and I'm not even interested in Smash Bros.). The 3DS has been the "hot" system for the past few months, and it certainly looks to me that the Wii U will be the "hot" system for the next several months. Perhaps not in terms of sales (maybe, maybe not), but definitely in terms of big, appealing game releases.

Just my opinion, obviously. But I can certainly understand why Reggie would say this, because I genuinely feel the same way.



Neram said:

I actually agree. Head on over to the Xbox website and PS4 website and tell me that 85% of those games don't look like the same generic stuff we've seen all generation.

Nintendo is the only one making unique first-party games, I honestly do think the Wii U line-up does stand out.



The_Fox said:

So the president and COO of Nintendo of America had negative things to say about his competition? I am absolutely in a state of shock right here.



8BitSamurai said:

Well, I wasn't exactly expecting him to come out and say "The PS4 and Xone have brilliant launch libraries! Their products are indeed superior to ours."

Not much of a shock, to be honest.



SCAR said:

I think he's being fair, but the only ganes I REALLY want are Smash Bros., Mario Kart, and X.
I think the Sony line-up is especially "meh", with some titles that look interesting to me on the Xbox One.
PS4 and Xbox One fans need to to get over themselves. People that bought Wii U knew that the other systems were going for power and a blu-ray player.
The line-ups are basically equal, so you can't say one or the other is better.
I don't care if you're biased or like another company more than Nintendo, your comments are never going to leave an impression on people that are well aware of all the situation and have chosen Wii U, regardless of how much better you think the other systems are.



Zombie_Barioth said:

You could use that argument for pretty much every console they've made. Not that I'm saying they aren't great games and they won't sell consoles, cause make no mistake they are and they will, but that doesn't make the competition less of a threat. Saying "meh" because you don't like them and dismissing the competition based of that isn't wise, all it does is breed complacency.



banacheck said:

When i'm playing excellent games early 2014, and waiting for new releases, i will not need to look towards to Wii U untill spring 2014 because after Xmas nothing is releasing that i know of which is a great line up in its self Reg.



Rafie said:

@QuickSilver88 See I believe the Wii U is fine where it's at for now. Of course there is always room for improvement down the line, but that can be said for any platform. Oh and the Dreamcast (1st day adopter) had a great amount of titles on launch. Nowadays we aren't seeing as much of that anymore.

The PS4 and Xbox One won't come close in competition with games this year with the Wii U. The Wii U will have to share the spotlight with the current generation systems with their games.

I gotta say, I always feel disheartened to hear the amount of negativity on games. I remember when the competition was more fun. (Talking about Sega and Nintendo) Now we have all of these extremists going to the extreme just to make sure a console fails. Without competition, your favorite console company won't have to work hard to keep you there and put out better quality games. Fact is we need all of the platforms to keep the morale and quality going.



Kaabiitorori said:

Well, I am not surprised at all with these words. What else would he say then? Their competitors' line-up is better than ours? Of course he would defend his company's line-up; Microsoft or Sony would do the same thing if they were asked about theirs. Same thing when they point out their own IPs: while Nintendo has Zelda, Mario and DK, Microsoft has Halo and Gears of War, or Sony has Killzone or Gran Turismo just to name a few. These IPs sell on their respective consoles, so obviously they gotta point 'em out.

Personally, I am very well catered with my 3DS, my Wii U and my recently acquired PS3 throughout 2013-14. I am very content with the upcoming line-up of games for these three, so I don't have to worry about getting a PS4 until 2014-15.



DarkLloyd said:

I already own a wiiu and will be getting a ps4, but reggie that attitude requires a slap in the face



AJere said:

Of course Nintendo keeps reproducing Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong games. I mean, if they were to make something new, would everyone want to buy it? It is easier to make a new version of an old game and get people to accept it than to make a new game and expect fans to start pouring in.



Epicnessofme99 said:

This in a nutshell explained my thoughts of the launch lineups regarding all systems, including the Wii U, luckily though now the Wii U is getting those titles we've been waiting for whereas the next systems are just starting their software libraries.



FilmerNgameR said:

I only like Nintendo's lineup because they have Pokémon, Zelda, and some Sonic exclusives which are very AWSOME franchises.



Hamguar said:

True, but lets be honest. The launch titles of any system are mediocre at best with the chance of one or two being decent to great games. In fact, the only launch I've seen with more than a couple of great games was the Dreamcast. I do agree that he shouldn't be so flippant but then again it could be sincere confidence, or your run of the mill miscommunication we all get from not seeing their reaction first hand.



GraveLordXD said:

@GamerJunkie its pretty damn sad that kid games like Mario and donkey Kong are more challenging than adult games like cod and madden wtf are you implying all adult gamers are wussies or are you just speaking for yourself? I'll take the kiddie game with the better gameplay and challenge thank you



ForeverIgnited said:

@LDXD How are Mario and Donkey Kong games for children? People of all ages enjoy Mario and Donkey Kong games. And how are COD and Madden for adults. Every kid plays COD and I enjoy playing a good ol' game of Madden with my dad.



fairybats said:

The upcoming games for wii u are definitely why I'm buying one soon. Sonic Lost Worlds, and the new Mario World look fun. The previous lineup wasn't enough for me, especially since a lot of those games were available on other platforms.




Wow, the man's got balls of steel to say that.

Sure, Nintendo gets CoD, but it DOESN'T get Battlefield, among a decent amount of other 3rd party games. The 3DS will do fine, as it ALWAYS has. The issue is the Wii U. If Mario Kart 8 had came out this holiday season, along with a Zelda game (like the freaking Wii did), we'd have ourselves a match. But Zelda's 2015 at best, and MK8 is next year along with Smash and the mystery IP. The issue is that those three franchises are the biggest hitters, and they aren't dropping at the right times.



Gamer83 said:

It's not the popular opinion but Wii U's launch was absolutely putrid and what both Xbox One and PS4 are offering day one is better than what Nintendo has had even up to this point. Things are finally going to get better this fall (around the time PS4 and Xbox One hit, a strategy I don't love because I feel like Nintendo wasted a whole year), no doubt with the price drop and quality games like Mario, Zelda and Sonic, but even still I'm more intrigued by what Sony and MS are bringing to the table and part of that also goes beyond just games but to the technology as well. PS4 and Xbox One are more capable consoles and that will play role over time even in the quality of games.



Peach64 said:

The second Christmas is usually the sweet spot that makes me jump onto a new console, so I definitely won't be picking up a PS4 or Xbox One this year, but the Wii U line up is still lacking any truly big games for me. Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country is about it.

I think back to the second Christmas of the PS2 and the stuff that was available when I picked that up. Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Ico, Gran Turismo 3, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3, SSX Tricky, Jak and Daxter and Winning Eleven, ALL of which have a Metacritic score of 90 or higher.

By comparison, Wii U only has one game that has 90 or higher right now, Rayman Legends, which is already available on two other systems I already own.



Bennster38 said:

I like the game line up for Nintendo but I want to see more third-parties. That's what everybody's looking for. I can imagine GTA on Wii u and far cry and more. Other than third-parties, I excited for Nintendo's game lineup They're making good moves, they don't care about the tech.



Nintendo2013 said:

Give Nintendo some time and none of it will matter anymore, they will be right up there with the competitors neck and neck. All they need to do to make it happen right away is bring out Pokemon U......... but i think they got that up their sleeve, like a wild card. Nintendo is on a steady rise to the top. Time will show.



Meaty-cheeky said:

@Rafie agreed

Nintendo will really need to have someting amazing by christmas 2014 when the competion will have their big guns ready on full force.

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