LDXD
if you're buying a home console every 5 years or so you're not much of a casual gamer any more

Very true, every console has got and needs there hardcore gamers.

almost have full power of the graphics chip. We almost got the maximum performance with the hardware.
Developers never max out consoles this early on in there life cycle, the Wii U will be well out dated in a few years when consoles like the PS4 will be just be hitting there stride. You also have to take in the fact killzone4 was made on incomplete hardware which only scratches what the PS4 can do. I cannot believe Nintendo have not made a console to last a few years never mind 5years, its sad in away for console lovers but Nintendo are not going to change.
Sony has not got anything to worry about unlike the Wii U,
1) The PS4 is future proof, and i cannot believe Nintendo hasn't gone the same route, which you don't need a powerful console to do.
2) The Wii U is looking to be more overpiced as time goes on, where the PS4 will be cheaper than previous consoles PS3.
manufactures get discounts on hardware parts and buy in bulk, which is no way near the same as buying from a shop.

Slapshot

Yes but thay are still mobile games india devs that work on consoles make different games from the ones working on mobiles.

I don't really know about the nextbox, and i really hope people do look into the consoles they buy especially this gen. And to say the PS4 will be the price of the PS3 is laudable, when there are statements from the men themselves out there saying thats not going to be the case.

i also think alot people mainly hardcore plays will buy a new system because of its price, Game have already shown the amount of pre-orders they've got & thats just with the PS4. the main reason the PS3 didn't sell was because of its price and games, where as this time thats changed.

MadAussieBloke

Yes because we all know a guy who plays on mobiles games is really going to spend £250 to play the same type of games he is already playing.

nik1470
Maybe its seen what next box and ps4 has on offer and its not convinced they will fly off the shelves.

WTF?, so why on earth would Activision have developments team working on next gen games if that the case, and spending years building new game engine for next gen?

defrb
Ps and xbox are like pc's in a homeconsole,

PC's & consoles are made very differently, so no a console is far from a PC in a box and this is just fact.

Slapshot
Nintendo walked away from the casual gamers with the Wii U - that was its mistake with the Wii U, in my opinion.

Your 100% right,

There will be a difference between current gen consoles at one time selling for around $500, and next gen. Because one of the selling points this time for next gen will be there price, also some of the features on the PS4 is also a selling point for some people that are on the move. And thats where Nintendo made one of the biggest mistakes with the Wii U, designing the gamepad around the house only. And i really cannot see indie mobile games taking off on a console, unless you can stream the mobile games to a mobile at no extra cost which is not going to happen with the Wii U, the gamepad is proof of that.

I'm sorry Nintendo, if Ubisoft hadn't already said the definitive the best version of Watch Dogs is on the PS4, i might got it for U. I think Ubisoft are for now not saying nothing, which is the best thing to do.

doctor_doak

If a games like Mass Effect3, NFS don't sell on the Wii U, i highly doubt Mirror's Edge2 would, which is also a sequel.

I don't think Mario has as much weight as it used too, Super Mario Bros tells you that it's only the hardcore Nintendo fans that will say other wise. From E3 onwards all eyes will be on the Wii U as new software rolls out, if the sales don't pick up i don't know. I think price could be a problem also with other consoles being cheaper, having cheaper games too plus new releases and thats before the PS4 is in the mix. It's just to hard to call it right now, i think everyone will know where they stand after E3.

TC's Ghost Recon Future Soldier is good online, so i hoping Ghost Recon Online is still coming to the Wii U.

SanderEvers said:
@banacheck Console generations aren't determined by brand.

I know, but to say modern day consoles are on there 8th generation, and consoles are not computers which are grouped together.

@diavu
N64, playstation and sega saturn? we are in generation 8 now.

I don't think he could if he even wanted too, considering consoles like N64, Playstation, Sega Saturn where not even around in the 4th gen, when grouping consoles.

Some console haven't even been around for 8 generations and thats just fact, and when he says 4th generation he is on about that console, not consoles that has got nothing to do with that brand.

We're on Generation 8 of consoles,

When did Microsoft, Sony & Nintendo all sit down and define there consoles in generations?, and i would think it's pretty much impossible for some consoles to be in there 8th generation, when they haven't even been around that long. So he is bang on when he says some console are only in there 4 generation, and that got nothing to do with power.

At long last with "The Wonderful 101", "Pikmin", "GTA V" & "The Last of Us" i'll be in gaming bliss.

Hell no, but saying that mobiles like Sonys Xperia Play you can use a DualShock3 with.

3DS owners in Japan are already looking forward to the arrival of Monster Hunter 4 this Summer.

I was going to say thay where is pretty poor for a Wii U version, but saying that usually its the last 6 months of development where they really polish the game, and the fact it for 3DS.

I didn't know Nintendo made games like Mass Effect, NFS, Batman AA etc, and for some reason i thought Nintendo where publishers & a console manufacture. If anything the revenue should go back to the developers, the guys who spend years making these games, and not because Nintendo wants free marketing while making moneys. It does not effect me in the slightest, but i'm interested to see what these youtubes do with all of there views.

I think some of you think all LP do is just uploads gameplay vids, when in actually fact some of them like i said before are invited by the developers to take footage of the game. And get given a few copies of the game so some of the viewers can win them on there youtube channels, they did this with Crysis3 and other AAA games. if they thought it was piracy i very much doubt they would do this fo r some of the youtube channels.

EA are one of the biggest game companies out there, so them not supporting the Wii U will defiantly hurt the Wii U in sales. Unless they are just buying the console for first party support only, which i cannot see a casual player doing. Also there are around 48 titles not coming out on the Wii U, now thats a lot of games.

Some dev's teams actually invite some of these youtubes to gaming events, so they can get coverage of the game. They also give them free copies of the game to give away on there youtube channel, because they know they are marketing there game for them. And these are the actually people making the game the developers, yet Nintendo sees it as wrong.

GC-161
are as bogus as pro-piracy advocates who claim that software piracy helps sell consoles.

Are you for really? piracy and youtube game videos are very much different, to coping a game and selling it to others to make money. Hay I just got a really good deal on a copied game, the only difference is you cannot actually play it, and it's only 5-10mins long with some guy speaking in the background, piracy my ####. Nintendo has had plenty of time to deal with this, in the long run it only hurts Nintendo themselves.

Nintendo themselves are not marketing the Wii U at the moment, and there is people on Youtube market Nintendo's games better than Nintendo themselves. Thats why the Youtube vids are not being taken down, Nintendo can kick back have people market there games at no cost and make money all at the same time. Alot of people would have seen these vids intentionally or unintentionally, and seeing Nintendo themselves will be using Youtube with there Nintendo Directs. Tells me they obviously think a lot of people will see it, which they will, so the same can be said for these other Youtube vids.

I find it mad in this day and age Nintendo cannot give out the US version, maybe because it's only 30p. And just like 50hz Balloon Fight it'll be taken down, because there is no way on earth i'm paying £4-5 for a german game, not when i can download a full rental version of Deus Ex for £4.35 and many others old & new-ish games.

@WiiURockz

Read this:
given the make-up of the integrated CPU/GPU chip in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost.

Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet. PC’s come with two separate chips connected over a PCI-E chipset.

The PS4, on the other hand, houses an integrated CPU/GPU custom AMD chip—the “Jaguar” CPU is not available for purchase yet and the GPU side of the equation is said to be similar to AMD cards running in the $200 price-range. The secret weapon here isn’t either the 8-core CPU or the GPU, but rather how the two are paired.

What does this mean? Basically it means that the two chips will be able to communicate with one another much faster and more efficiently than in a traditional PC set-up. Combine this with the high-bandwidth GDDR5 memory and the fact that much of the traditional CPU tasks will be offloaded to the GPU, and you have a machine that you simply cannot compare to a modern PC.

With Nintendo saying the Wii U would have better 3rd party support, i'm wondering what have Nintendo done to actually secure 3rd party support. At the start of the Wii U's life Nintendo did get some 3rd party support weather they where ports or not, but the deals where not good enough towards other console's. I also think Nintendo should try and get exclusive content with some of Ubisoft future games, seeing as Ubisoft are support the Wii U. This is where Nintendo falls short 3rd party support, 3rd party games would of filled the gaps between 1st party games not leaving them without games. If Nintendo pick-up in this area there console would see a lot different outcome, as everyone expect's 3rd party support on other consoles and the same should be said about Nintendo's systems.

siddyp00h.

And not a lot of people will know Nintendo and Sony had worked together to create the CD-ROM for the Super Famicom.

I like the classic's but as he pointed out there where not going anywhere and would have died-off, i think the reboot in Castlevania case turned out really well. Really looking forwards to Lords of Shadows2, and you can always download the classic's.

(reality check)

I would call Pong which led to the start of the video game industry, revolutionary, but i would hardly say the Gamepad is revolutionary.

I think Nintendo should make some new IP's, and who would capitalise on this trend for them? 1st party dev's already working on 1st party games.

You also have to remember most of these mobile gamer's are only casual gamer's, casual gamer's are not into gaming for the long haul. I can see a totally different story for mobile gaming in years to come, when other trends & device's are in place.

I also don't think Take Two's Revenues for Q4 which almost doubled from $148.1 million to $300 million, if mobile gaming was such a massive threat, in a time between hardware changes where sells usually drop-off.

What it is Nintendo could of easily released there console a few months later with games, no but they chose to take developers off games in development to finish off Nintendo Land & New Super Mario Bros U. Hence having to delay other games just to rush the Wii U onto the market, they also said they would have 3rd party support which is complete BS and Nintendo knew it. They also said we are going to appeal more to hardcore gamers, what? one game Bayonetta 2, the fact is they where never in discussions with developers before the Wii U released, to little to late.

The PS3 is the same old same old, i didn't realise Sony put there same games out year after year after year, in case's decades with no original IP's. Came Sony you have the money to do it, or is that Nintendo?

Sentinator

This is problem. Microsoft has long been known to have the Xbox planned for 2013. Maybe Sony have been planning PS4 for quite sometime.

The PS4 went into development in 2008, Sony even said they saw where they went wrong with the PS3. The PS3 will be going for sometime yet, even Sony knew a 10year life cycle was not reality for consoles as there hardware is frozen in time patches can only do so much. Sony has been making money off the PS3 for a few years now, and the PS4 is very different from the PS3 as possible. development, hardware and this will reflect in there games too.

The PSVita went into development while the PS4 was already in development, PSVita was never designed to go with the PS3 but the PS4. So you'll see the PSVita getting more of a push once the PS4 is out.

element187

Just upgrading graphics fidelity doesn't make something "nextgen"...

Powerful hardware doesn't just bring better graphics it improves everything, from AI to playing games instantly.

The more immersive gaming gets, the more its evolving.

So yours answering your question, hardware has to get more powerful from gen to gen, for games to evolve. else your AI, physic's etc will always be the same in what it can do, until you upgrade the hardware. If there was no gain to powerful hardware the Wii would never of got an upgrade to Wii U, which improved everything from graphics to hardware performance.

LzQuacker

Sony's strategy between the PS3 & PS4 are very very very different for one, Games report is also another clue. It's only months away we all going to see how things play out.

Sentinator

What is fact some of them 150 developers have already been working on next-gen games for a few years now, but if you look at the newer developers starting development on the PS4 no they won't be launch games. I also think at lot of people are underestimating Sony because of the PS3 launch, which works in Sony's favour.And this is what Nintendo should have also done, got games into development a few years before the Wii U released.

ferthepoet

I know a poop load of people that are not going to be buying a PSVita until it gets a price drop, the PSVita has a fair few exclusives but all in all no it doesn't have many games. But i don't know alot of people that will buy the same game twice for a console + handheld, you buy it once with cross-buy so you can play it both systems. You can f off if you think i buy the same game for the 3DS and console not going to happen, the PSVita is attractive because of this. Not to mention i can stream some of my games on holiday, i won't carry a 3DS + a load of games on holiday to much room.

@LzQuacker

I own a Wii U but not a PSVita as i'm not really into handheld games, but if i was i would buy a PSVita over a 3DS any day of the week. Why? i buy my games new but i'm not going to be buying the same game twice, with Sony i don't have to with there cross-platform games buy a game get it free on PSVita which would save me a lot of £££. In fact if i did buy a PSVita now i could download all the games i have on my PSN account which is a lot, as i have Playstation+ saving me more money in the long run. I'm buying the PS4 day one i have no need to jump ship from a console which saves me money, in fact the Wii U has been a complete waste of £400+ with pro pads games etc at the moment. There promise of 3rd party support wasn't quite true, all it's good for is collecting dust at the moment with a lot of other people in the same boat.

And this is what is going to make the difference when next generation console's hit as well as price, evey console has classic game's retro if you will, but every console is not getting supported. Not getting support is going to be Nintendo's biggest problem, people already own and buy mobile games for mobiles not for consoles. I haven't played this game so i cannot say how it plays but i've heard good things.

XCWarrior
Look at many of the PS4 launch titles. They aren't PS4 exclusives, most of them are available on a PS3.

I think you'll find when it comes to E3 you'll see quite a lot of only next-gen console games, and you'll find Sony's statement "Playstation4 launch will be our biggest launch in the history of Playstation" quite true. I've never known any console to have over 150 developers & publishers supporting any console before release, and that number will have easily gone up by now.

especially when both will be priced $500-$600. Wii U will not need a price drop, it's going to be the best value.

The Wii U will be forced down in price by the likes of the PS4 coming in at around £399.99, even Sony have said there next console will not be priced the same as the PS3. Mass market friendly Sony put it as thay learned from the PS3 launch, also places like Game put out figures in the amount of interest in the PS4 from enquiries & pre-orders unlike other consoles there is very high interest.

Really the SUN the most reliable paper on the market, i would take this with a pinch of salt seeing as they almost say anything for popularity votes.

DESS-M-8
I've played PS3 exclusively for the past 5 years and I'm afraid to say.......... it got boring, very very boring.

Why on earth would you own a console you never use or don't want and thats without spending £39.99 per game, in reality people don't buy console's they don't like.

If the PS4 sells at £399.99 which is likely, seeing as Nvidia's Geforce Titan graphics card which only uses 6GB GDDR5 sells at £1000. Your getting a very good deal with the PS4 at £399.99 over £300 for the Wii U which is league's behind the PS4. Actually my self i think a console like the PS4 will sell pretty well, as the whole system save's you money with cross-platform gaming which no other console does.

Sentinator
All I've seen Sony do is copy what works for everybody else and try it themselves.

The last decade of Nintendo's work has been base off what others have done years before them, OMG Nintendo even got sued for copying others ideas, there no smoke without fire.

Harrison_Peter
Uncharted series (seriously!)? Infamous? The Team ICO games? The Quantic Dream games? PSN exclusives like Journey? GT series?

These are all over done unoriginal series compared to the Mario, the COD of Nintendo is a understatement.

Don't throw stones in glass houses. I like Nintendo but this is true.

The only two consoles getting GTA V is PS3 & 360 then sometime in the future PC, i just cannot see R* making a Wii U version some how.

PS3 dev hardware costs and similar certification requirements likewise make it challenging, although Sony seems to be making a real effort to bring more indie studios over.

Yes it should be challenging to get your game onto a console, like he just pointed out there are over 700,000+ apps out there and most of them will be poop. No console owner wants the PSN, eShop, XBL saturated with mobile type games, that are more than likely the same as the one before it differently design. It's knowing what indie games has potential with original ideas.

DarkKirby
I hope they retain some control over the Star Wars games that EA will be releasing and stop them from pulling so much crap as EA loves to do.

They've made a contract with EA giving EA control over the franchise.

I think some people are a bit sick of COD now, if your going to make a FPS it has to be unique. Take Borderlands which is a hybrid bwtween a FPS & RPG, i think they done the best co-op game to date without the need for dumb AI.

instead of EA coming out with certain engine's are not performing to well, Nintendo should have gone to them and gave them a hand seeing as Nintendo are the console manufactures.

@banacheck When you're hard that work actually making games, when you're hard at work making sure they'll give your customers the satisfaction they deserve, when your hard at work already encouraging your own developers to make games in an industry that gives them a bad rep and a hard time...

So if developers working on your platform bump into problems your going to let them get on with it? because as you say there hard at work. No you go and educate the developers like Sony has done meny of times as they are working on your platform.

If you want dev's to support your platform you need to encourage them, and also give them a good reason why they should develop for your platform, you got competition for christ sake. Sony has the right idea by actually going to speak with the developers, and supporting them when thay are working on Sony's platform.

I think that Capcom should make more of there in-house games, i don't care what anyone says Capcom knows how to make games.

I think all that matters if your happy with your console or consoles who give a f what anyone else thinks, there not playing it you are.