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Rune Factory 4 European Release Has Been Cancelled

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

"MAQL and MAQL Europe would like to thank everyone for their support"

Rune Factory 4 is another excellent title in the ever-growing list of 3DS RPG experiences, though as per its series it has its own rather quirky blend of play styles — dating and farming join heroic questing. We described it as a "gem of a game" and awarded it 9/10 when it was released in North America.

As is often the case, the title had a separate publisher in Europe — XSEED Games did the honours in North America — and Marvelous AQL Europe was in charge. Unfortunately, the publisher has now cancelled the release that had tentatively been set for Spring this year; part of the official statement is below.

We regret to inform you that the European release of Rune Factory 4 for Nintendo 3DS has been cancelled.

While Marvelous AQL has made every effort to secure the title’s release for this territory, it is, unfortunately, not possible to do so at this time.

MAQL and MAQL Europe would like to thank everyone for their support and enthusiasm for their European releases. Please look forward to announcements on new MAQL titles over the coming months.

This not only deprives Europe of an excellent game, but brings home a worrying possibility that the franchise has seen its last days in the region; Rune Factory series developer Neverland closed its doors last year. Marvelous AQL could yet, of course, revive the series with a different developer, especially as the fourth entry was the fastest-selling in the franchises' history.

Were you hoping to pick up Rune Factory 4 in Europe?

Thanks to Joseph O'Donnell for the tip.

[via ricedigital.co.uk]

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gurtifus

#3

gurtifus said:

Hacking the region lock will be the only solution to this problem (when it'll be easier and possible on any firmware) !

Kaze_Memaryu

#6

Kaze_Memaryu said:

What?! No! What's that about!? Why...?

...ugh. Come on Marvelous, at least give us a proper reason instead of just apologizing! An apology doesn't help us understandwhy you're not releasing it!

BeatOli

#9

BeatOli said:

Can't wait for the region lock defence force to come and try and justify it once again. Yet another game I have to miss unless I import a NA 3DS...

FishieFish

#10

FishieFish said:

NoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOooooooooo.

Fricking frickity fricking region lock.

mch

#15

mch said:

Why not just release THAT English-US-Version in the eshop, clearly stated that it's in English only?? Come on !!! O-.-O

Starwolf_UK

#17

Starwolf_UK said:

It is a shame there is no full reason. It might be that even an eShop only release isn't viable. Let's say it costs $10,000 to license the US translation (I have no idea how much it costs but as nice as XSEED are I don't think they'll give it away for free) and there are no other issues. That basically means you need to sell a few thousand copies just to pay that back. After that you still have the ratings and employing staff to pay. Maybe the eShop market would not achieve that number of sales needed to break even. If you could do a retail release you basically start with those copies sold immediately but need to get retailers to buy it and have a minimum production run.

It is remarkable how a simple feature can make you feel bad about buying a system. I have a feeling my next Nintendo handheld will be a US version and 100% digital (then NOA will start to slack on releases or something...)

King47

#20

King47 said:

Can't XSEED do an eshop release in europe?
Or, you know, drop the region lock.

Philip_J_ReedStaff

#24

Philip_J_Reed said:

Sad news. I haven't played Rune Factory 4...it was between that and Harvest Moon and I went with HM, but I still intend to pick this up as it looks great. Sorry that a whole mess of fans won't get the chance to do the same.

darkgamer001

#25

darkgamer001 said:

Why can't it get released in the European eShop in English only (if localization in different languages is the stumbling block) like Dual Destinies?

I mean, it's not ideal, but it's better than nothing

mhoving

#26

mhoving said:

Ugh and another game just vanished right before our eyes. Why does this always happen to Europe, soon we might even get a message Shin Megami Tensei IV is not going to be released here.

I remember people defending it a long time ago, but as of now I am completely oblivious to whatever advantages region lock has.

PrincessEevee9

#28

PrincessEevee9 said:

This game was a real gem. Real sad that those of you in Europe won't get the opportunity to play this and makes me rethink if region locking is a good thing. I also fear what this means for Rune Factory 5 development.

TheAdza

#31

TheAdza said:

Region lock equals pissed off gamers, and gamers are the only ones who will buy Nintendo consoles of late. Even then it's a stretch for them to lay down money for a Wii U or 3DS. Having said that, this isn't a game I'm interested in. But there are a lot of games that I am interested in that never make it over. Region lock sucks.

HandheldGuru97

#32

HandheldGuru97 said:

Wow.....that really really sucks for Europe. I just got the game for Christmas and I simply adore it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shame that you guys won't get to play it as its one of my favorite 3DS games :(. I'd jump on the. "region locking sucks!!!" band wagon but everyone before me has covered that side of the argument so....

Kriedler

#36

Kriedler said:

Gotta jump on the region lock-hating band wagon. This is stupid. I would have played it way back when it was released in NA if it wasn't for the region lock. Thanks, Nintendo! I hope this helps your stocks.

AVahne

#37

AVahne said:

And yet another reason why 3DS needs to embrace the lineage of its ancestors and stop trying to be some poor, stupid attempt at being a hipster.
Heck the Sony handheld family hasn't been around quite as long as the Nintendo family, yet it is still very traditional while incorporating modern trends.
3DS, on the other hand, brings dishonor to its family.

Morph

#39

Morph said:

I cant imagine SMTIV will get cancelled in europe, mainly because we have the fire emblem crossover coming, it would be strange logic

AVahne

#40

AVahne said:

@sonicfan1373
Only the stupidest of fanboys who worship Nintendo as a god. Either that or people who simply can't understand the full extent of what gamers love about gaming.

Jazzer94

#41

Jazzer94 said:

This sucks and is making me worry about SMTIV seeing as we've not heard anything in ages, man do I hate being apart of europe when it comes to games as the UK could easily have the US version.

Mowzle

#42

Mowzle said:

Well, I'm also annoyed about this ( could use a stronger word, but I won't).
I would have bought this on day one, it looks gorgeous.
How many more games are we NOT going to see released in Europe!
It's high time region locking was dropped.
I bet we'll never get Fantasy Life in Europe, either.
:(

Einherjar

#43

Einherjar said:

Ubisoft, show your publishing power like in the good old days...please.
Or nintendo, would you do us the honors of publishing that title ?
Anyone ? Please ?

AyeHaley

#44

AyeHaley said:

Dayum...were they predicting such low sales even a quick english-only release wasn't viable? Sad, I was looking forward to this one.

Klinny

#45

Klinny said:

This is really disappointing news, Rune Factory 4 is a wonderful game.

Yomerodes

#47

Yomerodes said:

Too bad, the game is indeed amazing. IMO it is strange that Senran Kagura (a good game by itself, but not on Rune Factory level) is getting a premium release in Europe both digital and retail by Marvelous Europe, but they decided to ditch RF istead. As with the lack of Trauma Team and Arc Rise Fantasia (and no, its not sarcasm, I loved the game) I feel deeply sorry for you europals.

Ralizah

#48

Ralizah said:

That sucks. Hopefully this will find another path to release in Europe. Europeans also need SMTIV.

gregrout

#49

gregrout said:

That's horrible news, this game is awesome. Nintendo needs to lose this region lock garbage.

Dave24

#51

Dave24 said:

And yet they still wonder why region-lock on handheld is one of the stupidest ideas ever

Doma

#52

Doma said:

Sucks. I didn't want the game, but if this somehow happens to SMTIV aswell, then God damn......
I'll give them until the end of this month to announce something, before filling Nintendo's inbox with spam and rage.

One of the many reasons to despise Iwata. Anti-consumer bullpoodlepooie.

No need for profanity here -Lz

Pikachupwnage

#55

Pikachupwnage said:

"MAQL and MAQL Europe would like to thank everyone for their support and enthusiasm for their European releases"

Seems...kinda tactless to say this.

ACK

#56

ACK said:

Nintendo software sales in Europe are coming home to roost.

Arakune616

#57

Arakune616 said:

I just wanted to once again reach out to my fellow Wii U and 3DS users of the world asking for your support in an ongoing petition to remove region-locking on said consoles. We currently have 27,901 supporters needing only 7099 more. I'd hate to see more great games go unnoticed for future european (and in some cases north american) nintendo-fans. I'll put a link below and as always, thanks for your support in making Wii U and 3DS better systems.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nintendo-stop-region-blocking-make-the-3ds-and-wii-u-region-free#share

Nick255

#58

Nick255 said:

XSEED can't drop the region lock as on the 3DS region locking is mandatory and it is only possible for a game to be one region only. To make it work they would literally have to put both the US and EU game chips in one cart and have a physical switch to select the region which would be quite expensive even if Nintendo would allow it.

Morphbug

#60

Morphbug said:

@Nick255 it is certainly possible to make a region free game without much complications.

The Louvre Virtual Tour thing Nintendo made is completely region free and it's just about 20 dollars in the museum itself.

GrinderFiend

#62

GrinderFiend said:

"MAQL and MAQL Europe would like to thank everyone for their support and enthusiasm for their European releases"

Eat poopiedoodoodoggiepoopsiedoodles and die.

Great_Gonzalez

#64

Great_Gonzalez said:

Noooooooooooooo!!! :(
frontier was one of my favourite wii games so was really looking forward to this!

Might have to get a cheap second hand American 3ds now :( It does make me worry about future RF games and to a lesser extent future HM games! (not lesser cause I don't love them but lesser cause I think they sell quite reasonably)

But it is strange how a game like senran kagura can get a release here and this can't...

SeVok

#66

SeVok said:

Darn localization and whatnot, just release it in the UK, I'll import it to my country. Nintendo, removed the region locking !

rjejr

#67

rjejr said:

I read the article and the comments but I haven't seen a single explanation for the cancellation, unless it was Neverland going under, but it seems like the game was already out of their hands.

Does this type of game not sell well in the EU or is it a sign of the 3DS not dong well in the EU? I'll go out on a limb and guess it isnt being moved to the Vita instead.

steamtrain

#68

steamtrain said:

A region free Nintendo might mean a Nintendo free from those games you want so bad.

Region locking supports cultural diversity.

Xbox & PS games are generally western games even when sold in Japan, Nintendo however has its feet in two different worlds.

Game culture is very different in Japan than in Western countries.

With a region free Nintendo, Japanese game companies might worry more about the global market, and so, they may include more western culture.

And Pandora's box is opened.

And while you think, hey that's a good thing, maybe it ruins a great game, maybe in time it ruins a company, maybe a business, maybe a culture.

Where will it stop? Nobody knows...

Seriously though, what you might like about western culture in japanese games, is the ignorance of it.

When you are importing consoles & games, you are supporting Nintendo and the games you love.

It is a very safe bet.

If you really love these games, accepting the region lock, even with the extra effort it's probably the best you can do for them.

SeVok

#69

SeVok said:

If it wasn't for my huge collection I'd switch to US and import a US 3DS XL. Sick and tired of EU getting the shaft, I understand due to all the countries with different languages and laws it's a challenge to release, but choose to release to UK only and give the opportunity to European people who live in 2014 and speak and understand English to buy it in the UK.

SeVok

#70

SeVok said:

@steamtrain That's a load of nonsense. How a developer designs games shouldn't be dictated by region locking. Culture has never been bound by some artificial technical imposed limitation. Don't make me laugh.

theblackdragonAdmin

#73

theblackdragon said:

so... anyone still defending the decision to region-lock?

RF4 is seriously an amazing game. I've been playing it ever since it came out, and actually I was just recommending it to someone in EU/AUS the other day since I didn't know it wasn't even out in that region yet. I certainly hope someone else picks it up for an EU release! :(

Metafalica

#74

Metafalica said:

Seriously Nintendo why not say Europe we dont care.. This stupid damn regionlock makes me soo angry I cant belive it. This is another title that we miss in europe and for what, a freakin region lock. Eu is getting the shaft soo far up every damn time due to this. And we cant even get a serious explanation just bunch of ...

ChessboardMan

#75

ChessboardMan said:

I was actually really interested in this title, after seeing your review of it, I'd thought I'd finally give the series a try… very disappointed about this.

WaLzgiStaff

#76

WaLzgi said:

I can defend region lock! Nintendo wants you to buy multiple 3DSes for these games!

WYLD-WOO

#78

WYLD-WOO said:

Another one bites the dust!!! Hope the support of the internet brings this back into the frame for EU over the next few months. If anyone (publisher) needs my backing or money up front, I`ll be happy to hand over the cash. I would also purchase the Amercian version on the eshop and would have no problem with it. Still can`t see why anyone would support region locking..........................................................?

Nick255

#80

Nick255 said:

@Morpheel Yes and they most likely had to write it all by hand as there is no way Nintendo's SDK can handle making a region free game. Not to mention that it is an eshop game, it is most likely physically impossible to make a cart that is region free even for Nintendo. Also, most likely with those games the region checking code is in at least a dozen or more places within the game at random locations in the code (not just at boot) thus it would be nearly impossible for an existing game to be made region free even as an eshop game. It would take quite a while for the game company to make sure they got all the region checking code especially if some region checks only happen say, one playthrough out of ten.

steamtrain

#81

steamtrain said:

@SeVok

If it is nonsense, why? Don't take your frustration out on me just because I have my own opinion.

How a developer designs games is dictated by the culture.
With region locking, investment & production is dictated by regional trends.
Without region locking, investment & production may be dictated to greater extent by global trends.

Culture has always been bound by some imposed limitation, technical or artifical or whatever. That's exactly what a culture is.

Is it a good thing? Is the sea deep? I don't know.

I'm just saying:
1) The matter is more complex than:
"Nintendo want's you to buy two 3DS systems"
2) If the matter is more complex than what we are focused on (example 1),
it is not wise to do something rash (region free)
3) If you really love these games, the safest way to support them,
is to buy them the way they are distributed now

DarkKirby

#82

DarkKirby said:

I know the company is closing down, but what exactly is stopping them from having a digital release at the very least, the game already has an English translation.

If the 3DS wasn't region locked because Nintendo is obsessed with anti consumer DRM this would be less of a problem for Europeans.

And for people who are actually supporting region lock, yes, I know why region lock exists, from extra console sales to "ensuring" to companies who buy the rights to sell games in different regions there were no "sales losses from imports", but that doesn't make it less manure and a blatant "pro company anti consumer practice" , especially since all of Nintendo's competitors have dropped it. Are you going to praise Nintendo for console tied digital purchases too?

How much does importing really hurts sales for the company who purchased the rights to sell the game in a different region? How do they even know which games will sell in their region? Focus groups? Follow the trend of what sells (Call of Duty like)? One of the reasons Phoenix Wright was ever released outside of Japan at all (as story based games traditionally sell horribly in the U.S.) was because of lots of people importing the games which already had a full a English translation. The most the localized version did was remove the Japanese option from the game. Most of the time, the language barrier is enough of a deterrent to import for most of the population.

The internet exists now, people know what's happening on the other side of the planet and what games are being released, it's not the 90's where video game magazines were the only source of information for what games exist, and information cannot be controlled like that anymore. Customers know when they are being screwed over with 7 month (as was every Pokemon game before X/Y) or sometimes even up to 2 year delays in localizations, when they even happen. Didn't stop Nintendo from sending cease and desists to every Pokemon website because they want the information controlled anyway. And if a costumer is willing to import a game because he doesn't want to put up with a company's manure of long delays or no localization at all, he should have the right to without having to pay Nintendo, or another company, an extra fee in the form of another console. Or perhaps, the costumer will just stick it to the company completely and just pirate the game, which is even easier than importing.

Kohaku

#83

Kohaku said:

Thank you Nintendo for the region lock.
I hope Nintendo wil now take their responsibility and bring the game to Europe soon.

SeVok

#86

SeVok said:

@steamtrain You give yourself to much credit, I'm not ventilating my frustration on you. Don't feel so because I have a different opinion than you on culture, where I live culture is not about imposed limitation, period.

Sanquine

#88

Sanquine said:

@steamtrain What? So. in conclusion buy an American or Japanese 3DS to play those games? Makes sense to buy two consoles because of region locking... Culture yeah....Sorry i don't want to bash you but it's painfull to not play a game you want to play because your system has the wrong region...

steamtrain

#89

steamtrain said:

@SeVok

You know I can see your initial replies? It was not very flattering.

I guess you have some sort of laws that are imposing limitations.

steamtrain

#90

steamtrain said:

I live in Europe too, I face the same problems.

In fact, I live in a small town in northern Norway, I don't have a car, and we only got two stores, grocery stores, in walking distance. If I want to go to the "big city" I need to take a bus for three-four hours, to come to a city of 50.000 people.

Now they are talking about closing down the postal office, which means I have to take a bus for a half an hour just to get the many packages I order from the internet.

Life is not fair. But I choose to live here, and I choose to not get a car. Just as you choose to not be satisfied with the many games already available to you.

If it were up to me, if I owned the rights of these games, I would give them to you, I don't care. But it's up to Nintendo, and sometimes it's not even up to them. And I respect that.

I don't care about region locking, but I think region locking is one thing for Xbox/PS, and another for Nintendo, and I think it is not wise to call out for a rash action just because someone wants something.

I don't know how it will affect the industry, and I don't think most people do, but Nintendo has been a big dog in the industry since NES, and NES had a region lock, it is no doubt it will affect something.

Link41x

#91

Link41x said:

Oh well, there is plenty of games that came out in EU and not here in NA. So I don't feel bad :)

CanisWolfred

#92

CanisWolfred said:

I'm guessing this is because the Japanese studio closed its doors. And if The European branch of the Japanese publisher can't get ahold of the license, no one will...this is a sad day indeed...

CaviarMeths

#93

CaviarMeths said:

RF4 is one of the finest games currently available on the 3DS. I've recommended it to virtually everyone who has asked me for game suggestions. It saddens me that so many people won't have access to it.

Region lock is indefensible.

Expa0

#94

Expa0 said:

Stuff like this makes me very sad, it's not like I was gonna buy the game since Harvest Moon/Rune Factory games have never interested me much, but still.

It makes me fear for SMT4 too...

Frapp

#95

Frapp said:

@steamtrain

Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed as it ignores the fact that Nintendo themselves did not have a region-lock on their handhelds for the 22 years between the launches of the Game Boy and 3DS, ignoring the few DSi-specific games.
Region-locking is about control. It is anti-consumerist and flies in the face of free trade laws. Nintendo were the first to introduce region-locking to consoles with the NES and it saddens me to see that they remain the only one of the Big Three still doing it. I look forward to the day when the World Trade Organisation ban the practice.

WYLD-WOO

#96

WYLD-WOO said:

@Frapp
Great words... I would hire you in my defence any day. I blame people like me and my brother that always bought imported consoles. As a kid growing up in the 90`s, a US SNES was the only way to go.

CrimsonMoonMist

#97

CrimsonMoonMist said:

This sucks, I mean... there are just no other words right now.
I was so looking forward to this one, and because of the region-lock,
this means I'll probably never get to play it.

I'm starting to worry a lot for the future of SMT IV,
but at least we know Ghostlight does go the extra length to release something, even if it's just for those who have already preordered.

JaxonH

#98

JaxonH said:

@Doma

Don't you have something better to do than gossip about other members on the site? Or are you looking to instigate an argument?

Let me tell you something, I have the right to my opinion just like you do. But there's nothing to defend here bud. It is what it is. Doesn't affect me, and I don't really care one way or the other. I'm not in favor of region locking, but I'm not against it either. I just hate hearing people like you moan and groan all day long because of it. That's their policy, like it or not, so deal with it. If you want to continue fussing about it, at least do something constructive and start a petition or something. But forever whining on Nintendolife accomplishes nothing. I grow tired of Nintendo fans crying 24/7- it's always something. Yeah, I get it. You don't like region lock- duly noted. I heard you the last 30 times you cried about it. When Sony or MS fans don't like something, they either accept it, or they take action to change it. But Nintendo fans will do neither. They'll just complain about it for the next 10 years.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo has no reason to region lock whatsoever, and they only do it to anger people like you.

Expa0

#99

Expa0 said:

@WYLD-WOO
Or one of those fancy NTSC to PAL converters, those worked quite nicely too.

Bottom line though is that Snes would've been quite a bit worse (in Europe) if not for imports.

steamtrain

#100

steamtrain said:

@Frapp

Yes, I am aware of this. My reasoning is still not flawed, I still believe it will affect the industry considering the home console region lock.

And region locking is of course about control, no doubt.

I believe in Nintendos freedom to utilize region locking, just as I believe in the consumers freedom to import consoles & games + voice their disapproval.

As I have said, I think there is a substantial difference between Nintendo and the two other companies in the case of region locking.

WTO Ban? Very well, that is how you feel.

For me, it's not consumers vs. big companies. I am on neither side.

I feel that making everything available to everyone for the same effort diminishes the magic of it all.

MAN1AC

#102

MAN1AC said:

And people wonder why Nintendo never gets the benefit of the doubt. Its absolutely disgusting that they region lock hardware in 2014.

Nomad

#103

Nomad said:

Well that just sucks, doesn't it. Was really looking forward to that game.

Bluezealand

#104

Bluezealand said:

@Jazzer94
Yes, because they clearly have to make translations for other European markets, like they did always with other Shin Megami Tensei games in the past... oh wait.

Gen0neD

#105

Gen0neD said:

I feel really bad for everybody losing out on this. An unfortunate/perfect example of the pitfalls of region locking. Drop it Nintendo. EVERBODY wants to play these games. Let them.

WaLzgiStaff

#106

WaLzgi said:

@CanisWolfred I somehow don't believe that. How can one branch not get the license of a game that's published by the parent company anyway?

Zombie_Barioth

#107

Zombie_Barioth said:

@steamtrain
Yet you don't seem to have any actual proof that removing region-locking would indeed cause any sort of harm, yet theres plenty of evidence showing it won't. Theres nothing stopping Japanese developers from westernizing their IP, with or without region-locking. The only company to actively do so is Capcom, and they didn't need a region free console to make those changes.

If Nintendo itself feels it needs region-locking then fine, but the device as a whole doesn't need to be locked down. Region-free devices can still have region-locked software. Atlus did this with P4 Arena knowing its fanbase is comfortable with importing anyway.

That last bit I don't quite get though, what "magic" is being protected by restricting the availability of a product in this manner? We're not talking about one's education or a similar achievement, we're talking about a piece of software, something that one should want as many people as possible to be able to obtain and experience. Region-locking only gets in the way of that. All it does is bring Nintendo's controlling and over-protective nature to light.

Kolzig

#108

Kolzig said:

Region lock is such a pain. One of the main points Nintendo needs to take a look at and reverse their opinion about when moving towards the future and getting back in shape.

steamtrain

#109

steamtrain said:

@Zombie_Barioth

I never said I had proof, I said I believe, and I said it will have some sort of effect.

Being free to westernize games is evidence for nothing. My argument is that a region free Nintendo might serve as an indirect "encouragement" for developers & investors to focus on globalization, and because of this in time, westernize. I am pretty sure this will happen to a certain degree, to what I am not sure.

Region locking software, is true. But then again, if there is any legal obligations for region locking, there is a reason for region locking consoles as well. I don't know if there is.

The vanishing "magic" I am talking about, is that we're all "consumers" and we all have a "right". Whatever happened to playing the game that is in front of you? Contacting some sketchy businessmen just to get a hold of an import? Playing hard-to-get games at a friends house? Or a friends friend? Or making new friends because they have got that one legendary game you have heard so much about? I am talking about a trend obliviating all culture & excitement into singularity.

I think that if your problem is that you can't get a game, you've got very few problems in life, but one big & hard one: Disappointment.

And I have always said I believe, there is no proof the one way or the other, because in Nintendo's case this has never happened. But you won't convince me I'm wrong just by arguing your case. I already know people want this game, and I already know people are frustrated because of region locking. I am sorry, I see it differently.

Kolzig

#110

Kolzig said:

Nothing is more useless than a region lock in 2014. The world is one small place, and does not need invisible walls to stop people from enjoying other people's creations.

Nintendo did the region lock only because of the eshop coming with DSi. They need to rethink their strategy and build a solid normal behaving online account system that destroys the region locking atrocity that is currently affecting 3DS environment.

With a proper account system there will be no need for region locking and then you can make an account for the region you are in so the account will access that eshop region.

As a bonus we also get an easier working Wii U eShop with similar capabilities.

Jazzer94

#112

Jazzer94 said:

@Bluezealand That would be why I said they could easily release the american english translation in the UK I was not talking about the whole of europe learn to read.

Bluezealand

#113

Bluezealand said:

@Jazzer94
Learn you to read. My point was, that they can release English-only games in mainland Europe as well, as they do frequently, like with the other Shin Megami Tensei games or the last Harvest Moon. If they decide to not release SMTIV in Europe, it won't be because of the translations since the games of this series never received any, while they still were available in the whole of Europe.

So again, it's not true that every game needs to get translations for an European release.

eviLaTtenDant

#114

eviLaTtenDant said:

I would get a boxed copy if i could play it on my European 3DS.
Not sure if i'd pay more than 20€ for an eShop only release.
Anyway, thanks for saving me money, Marvelous.

SeVok

#115

SeVok said:

@Kolzig Well said. QFT "Nothing is more useless than a region lock in 2014. The world is one small place, and does not need invisible walls to stop people from enjoying other people's creations.". Our local philosopher @steamtrain may have a different opinion dragging irrelevant notions into the mix; smoke and mirrors.

Zombie_Barioth

#117

Zombie_Barioth said:

@steamtrain
Well, even if you simply believe something I'm sure you have some sort of reason for believing, correct? That is what I meant by "proof".

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all have to abide by the same laws and regulations, yet only one uses region-locking with their hardware. Why is it that the latter two's devices being region-free isn't encouraging companies to westernize as you say it would for Nintendo?

Nintendo hiding their reasons for region-locking says more about their reasons than anything, especially from a company with a known history of being very controlling. Obviously its something they know won't fly.

I don't know why you felt the need to drag real problems into this, when nobody here even hinted at this being life altering. This entire site is dedicated to video games, so you could easily write off any and all discussions that take place as first-world problems. No offense, but you may be reading a little too much into peoples' dissatisfaction. Then again, some do take this stuff too serious, so your not entirely wrong either.

I'm not trying to change your mind about anything, its neither my place nor my job to do so. Theres no harm in having a discussion though, and hearing from opposing sides is always good food for thought.

steamtrain

#119

steamtrain said:

@Zombie_Barioth

Well, you said I have no proof, and I have explained myself alot here, more than I generally care for. I think my explaination is proof enough for my beliefs for now.

Because Nintendo practically runs the entire Japans game industry. The games that people are angry about not being released in their region, they are mostly Japanese games.

I don't know anything about them hiding their reasons, I haven't really looked in to the matter. My stance is as before, because Nintendo has had region locking since NES, I don't think it is a good idea to change that without a thought.

Every spill from a cup starts with a drop, not exactly a saying, yes, but it makes my point. I tried to balance the opinion expressed here and offer a different perspective, but I get some seemingly very paranoid responses(not you).

If I explain myself alot I am sorry, but I have a problem with communication sometimes, and I just try to make myself clear.

The changing mind-thing, that was not intended specifically towards you, I used "you" as an example and should have used "people", I am sorry I did not make myself clear about this. I tried to make my point that I am not apart of the region locking good vs bad discussion or the consumer vs big companies discussion, so that arguing either way with me won't budge.

I'm glad to hear it, a healthy attitude!

Bluezealand

#120

Bluezealand said:

@Jazzer94
Because you should inform yourself before you blame Europe (or its languages) when certain games aren't coming to the UK. There are plenty of games already available in Europe, which were released in English only everywhere.
When certain games don't make it to Europe, it's not anymore because translations would be to expensive, but because the respective games are considered to be unprofitable even without translations in different European languages.

Jazzer94

#122

Jazzer94 said:

@Bluezealand You fail to mention the fact that games have to pass several different ratings boards for a lot of the countries just to be released plus I was more so upset that a country who's native language is english will not be able to play an game thats already translated in english, honestly I have no idea why I shouldn't be aloud to feel annoyed about this.

Zombie_Barioth

#123

Zombie_Barioth said:

@steamtrain
Well, when I said "proof" I meant something you can point to to support your beliefs. Even pointing to the bibal as proof of god is proof of something.

I don't know if its hiding so much as just not wanting to tell. The only reason not to tell the truth is if it makes you look bad. I get what your saying though about not wanting to make a move without knowing what might happen. I take the same stance with this whole thing with people wanting Iwata fired just for the sake of "fixing" things.

I tend to look at these things from both sides, so when I say I don't see a reason for something its usually because there isn't an obvious benefit or its only good for one side but has no reasonable excuse.

Don't worry about over explaining things, I'm not exactly one to criticize it if it ain't obvious enough already, and I have some communication issues of my own so I get it. I didn't mean to imply I though you were aiming anything my way either, I only said what I did so you wouldn't get the wrong idea.

Bluezealand

#124

Bluezealand said:

@Jazzer94
As far as I know, Germany is the only European country with its own rating board for video games, while all other European countries (including the UK) use the PEGI system. And of course I understand that you are annoyed that certain games don't get a release in the UK, though they are available in the US. Europeans from other countries do feel the same, since most of us (at least those that understand English) are willing to pass on translations with niche titles, if that's the only chance those games get an European release at all.
There are other things to consider, though, like license costs or smaller target audiences in mainland Europe with text-heavy English-only games. Since Nintendo (hardware as well as software) isn't really popular in the UK, the release of some untranslated text-heavy niche games might be still unprofitable, whether released only in the UK or the whole of Europe.

Jazzer94

#125

Jazzer94 said:

@Bluezealand Nintendo Hardware and Software sell in the UK pretty much as well as the rest of Europe including Germany I've seen a lot of sales charts and its pretty much the same so your last section is a moot point.

Bluezealand

#127

Bluezealand said:

@Jazzer94
Sorry, but that's not true. The newest German chart list I found is from January 4th, but we had 16 games for all current Nintendo platforms in the Top 40, of which 7 made it into the Top 20 with Pokémon X/Y on the top of the chart list.
During the same time period only 3 (!) Nintendo games made it into the UK Top 40 and none of them into the Top 20. That's a huge difference!

Windy

#128

Windy said:

This is horrible news. I'm so sorry for you guys in Europe. I don't think ive seen the videogame industry as wishy washy as it is at this time. I have this feeling there will be lots of cancellations this year both for north america and Europe. You can just feel it. I also think huge changes are coming in the industry. Its been volatile for a while. I hope I'm wrong. I'm also not just talking nintendo. I think changes are coming for the whole industry. Hopefully nintendo sticks to there guns.

Windy

#129

Windy said:

@KnightRider666 I just bought the game. The price was shooting up everywhere for Runefactory so I figured I should by it before it went rare on eBay. Haven't played it yet....Ive been trying to beat Zelda.

CanisWolfred

#130

CanisWolfred said:

@Unca_Lz I think it's because Neverland closed its doors after the North America release. It's possible they may no longer have some important stuff involved, like perhaps the source code? I'm just guessing here.

KnightRider666

#131

KnightRider666 said:

@Windy: I'm stuck in Zelda, as well as Rune Factory 4; so I took a break from both. But definitely check out RF4 when you're done with Zelda. How the weather out in Vegas? It's frozen over here in NJ.

SeVok

#132

SeVok said:

@steamtrain You call deviations to topics such as your local town, your choice to not get a car and whatnot relevant to the debate ? You should join your country's parliament, teach them a thing or two on filibustering. Lol, I'm done with you.

gemstone

#133

gemstone said:

I am absolutely devastated by this news. I'm not joking either. I live in the UK and I've been waiting years for this, and been trying to spread the word a little by going on youtube and telling other gamers about how great Rune Factory 3 is, because it is!, it has it all, and even with all the new 3DS games I have like New Leaf, Rune Factory 3 is still my favourite. The trouble is Rune Factory 1 for DS was poor by comparison. I literally bought my Wii for Rune Factory Frontier too, I love that beautifully animated world, full of nature and nice people that you get to experience. I honestly cannot believe people play the SIMS when this is available, I guess they just don't know about it.. or people in the west just seem to enjoy the spoiled life of buying pointlessly expensive clothing and "bling" (ugghhh...) and it never ceases to amaze me that soap dramas are so popular when all they do is argue and cheat on each other.. I wish I lived in Japan so much now..I could go on a huge list about why but nevermind.. I'm just depressed by this news!
I guess people of the future are happy buying there 5minute Apple games now instead of anything of quality. The way things are going 40hour games will be a thing of the past, and everything will be "pick up n throw away". For example, the animation of this game is beautiful, a lot of effort has gone into it and yet people of the West often dismiss anything cute as being "for children" which leaves ugly lazy shows like Family Guy to take over because everyone's too embarrassed to admit they like these beautiful drawings, for fear of sounding "soft" these days etc. and these behaviours run things down!! Be honest, stand tall and say that "Anything with a good storyline, is for anyone of any age" this is the key to happiness, and is the honest answer.

EBP

#135

EBP said:

@steamtrain yo dude, you really should research before "believing" how business works.

PSP/PS3/PS4/PSP/PSV/GB/GBC/GBA/DS
Look at all the games Japan released exclusive to their own market that are full of so much western culture they arent even in english!

Fact is that region locking does nothing if you can't speak the language, and with Rune Factory 4, it already has an American release. Thus the BS Region lock screws us over with an already released game.

PS- I truly BELIEVE that you have no idea how international businesses operate.

steamtrain

#136

steamtrain said:

@EBP

I do my research at my own will.

All these games are influenced by an idea about how western civilization is, and that is really not what I am talking about.

Yes, it is sad, knowing there exists an english version of RF4 and that it does not get an european release. However this has actually little to do about region locking, but more to do about the game company.

Believe whatever you want.

I believe removing region locking will have some unforeseen unfortunate consequences, I am actually not arguing the case for region locking itself. Thank you, and good bye.

DadOfFour1972

#138

DadOfFour1972 said:

Damn region lock - it's so stupid and pointless. I was hoping to get my hands on this but have to make do with Harvest Moon A New Beginning instead I think.

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