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Readers Of EDGE Consider Ocarina Of Time And Mario 64 To Be The Best Games Of The Last 20 Years

Posted by Damien McFerran

GoldenEye 007 and Super Mario Galaxy also make the top 10

Long-running UK video game magazine EDGE recently turned 20, and to mark the occasion it ran a poll to see what its readers consider to be the 20 greatest games to be released since the publication's birth in 1993.

Unsurprisingly for Nintendo fans, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64 topped the list, with GoldenEye 007 coming in at number 7 and Super Mario Galaxy rounding off the top 10.

Resident Evil 4 — which made its debut on the GameCube before being ported to other platforms — clocked in a 5, while Square's SNES RPG Chrono Trigger was 17th. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask was in 19th position.

Here's the full table:

20 - World of Warcraft
19 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
18 - Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
17 - Chrono Trigger
16 - Portal
15 - Red Dead Redemption
14 - Bioshock
13 - ICO
12 - The Last of Us
11- Dark Souls
10 - Super Mario Galaxy
9 - Metal Gear Solid
8 - Shadow of the Colossus
7 - Goldeneye 007
6 - Halo
5 - Resident Evil 4
4 - Final Fantasy VII
3 - Half Life 2
2 - Super Mario 64
1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Do you agree with those picks? Would you have rated any Nintendo games higher, or perhaps lower? Remember this is only games released between 1993 and the present day.

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Shiryu said:

You know them EDGE readers. All top quality people! ... why yes, I do read EDGE every month, thanks for asking!



Auracle said:

Portal is on the list but Portal 2 is not. Huh.
I've played several games on this list and they were pretty great.



Warruz said:

@Trululu While Portal 2 was amazing, Portal one was just so much better just by the fact that it was new and interesting while portal 2 you knew what you where getting into. While still interesting i think portal 2 relied on the comedy for its greatness more then say the mechanics(not saying they are bad).



Cia said:

That list is just plain good. Even though i have no idea what Halo is doing in there. They should just replace that pile of crap with Metroid Prime.



AdanVC said:

Those 2 games changed the entire industry and it's incredible that they both were created by the same people with the direction of Miyamoto-Sensei.



Nintenjoe64 said:

Half Life 2 came in 3rd place = Half Life 3 confirmed!!!

I can't really argue with the list except I never really rated FF7. Nice to see a genuine variety of games in there though. Mario Kart and Lemmings deserved a slot!



unrandomsam said:

I rate Nights into Dreams more than Mario 64. (Finished Mario 64 once with all the Stars and never had any desire to play it again at all).

Think I like Shenmue more than Ocarina of Time as well (Probably because I have played Zelda more).



Samurai_Goroh said:

Good list. I would place Super Mario Galaxy higher, though. And F-Zero GX deserved a spot as it is the BEST RACING GAME OF ALL TIME, guess not too many people actually got to play it. And Sonic the Hedgehog on the Mega Drive is one of the greatest platformers.



DilMan33 said:

The Last of Us, obviously hasn't had the test of time.

You can't really argue about the first two.



Captain_Balko said:

Why is the Last of Us up there? It came out like less than six months ago, certainly not as revolutionary as the rest of the games on this list.

Also, no Metroid Prime? That's sort of surprising.



Tasuki said:

I can see most of those games. I never understood the hype with Mario 64 though, and honestly I thought that GTA III would be on the list not Vice City. Also I would think that World of Warcraft would be higher on the list since now it seems that every franchise tries to have a game like them.



unrandomsam said:

It doesn't have a single fighting game or shmup. Or a Metal Slug game. Loads of them are very similar to each other.



MJKOP said:

@unrandomsam I have Shenmue knocking about somewhere, few other Dreamcast games too, Soul Reaver, Sonic Adventure among others



Goginho said:

Wow, my two fav games of all time are 1st and 2nd ..what a surprise
Guess I have good taste.



unrandomsam said:

@MJKOP Shenmue is one of the very few games I own where I think every single part of it is the absolute best they could do. (Ocarina of Time they could have required the 8MB to get the field of view bigger like in Majora's Mask - Used a much bigger cart to have more at the quality of the town). I suppose even that the original vision was the first and second one as one game. (And the EU version of the second I have has no English voice track).



Goginho said:

..I'd put Mario Galaxy higher up though - yes, I am biased, as I haven't played all the games on the list that are higher than Galaxy, but I mean..c'mon
Super Mario Galaxy took 3D platforming to a whole new dimension, and made a SD game look HD. What have the others done (places 3 - 9)?



DerpSandwich said:

I'm not sure I would put Super Mario 64 on that list. It was mind-blowingly revolutionary, but it hasn't aged very well, so I wouldn't call it one of the "greatest" games. I feel like a game needs to stand the test of time to really be great, like OoT. But that's just me.



AlternateButtons said:

How can The Last of Us be on there? That game is completely over rated. Just another 3rd person zombie survival game.

The rest of the list is pretty good though.



Sandro89 said:

Yeah good list. Maybe Metroid Prime and Pokemon red/blue could have made the list. And my personal favorite Banjo-Kazooie. That game took Mario 64 and improved everything. Graphics, Gameplay, Music, Level Design, Characters and the list goes on and on. Very underrated imo.



FiveDigitLP said:

For once, there's a list that I can mostly agree with! Sure there might be some things missing that I would put on there, and some on there I didn't particularly like, but this list actually makes sense and doesn't just seem like a stupid popularity contest made up of games from the last five years.



Samurai_Goroh said:

@DerpSandwich To me Super Mario 64 holds up much better today than Ocarina of Time. I can play and truly enjoy SM64 to this day, can't say the same about the original OoT. Hence, there was a real need for it to be remade on 3DS, and what a fantastic remake that was.



Diz93 said:

@Guitardude7 Have you played it? The game received numerous perfect scores, they don't just had out 10 out of 10's to everyone. I havn't played it yet but everyone I've asked about it says its one of the best games they've ever played



AlternateButtons said:

@Diz93 Yea I have. and I honestly don't see the big deal about it. It's not that special to me. It's not bad, but it's not the best game ever made like some people make it out to be.



unrandomsam said:

They say best when what it seems more like is most influential. (For a certain subset of genre's).

Rondo of Blood / Super Metroid. (Or I suppose Symphony of the Night which I don't really like that much). How many boring Metroidvania's do we have these days ?



Dr_Corndog said:

I've seen worse lists. At least Super Mario 64 is there (one spot lower than it should be). If anyone wants the TRUE top 20 list, let me know and I'll give it to you.



DerpSandwich said:

@Samurai_Goroh Man, I'm the exact opposite. OoT always feels fun and intuitive and grand, whereas SM64 is just clumsy and overly simple. Mario just slips and slides around the map, sometimes plummeting off the edge just because you stepped onto a slightly angular piece of ground and got sliding. But to each his own!



ACK said:

Solid list. If only it excluded pre-Playstation, that is.

Also, I'm entirely too offended by the choice of Half Life 2 over the incomparable original. Not too fond of BioShock over System Shock, either. And Vice City... Really?



eza said:

Halo and Goldeneye, but no Quake? Quake was better than those two put together!



D3athBr1ng3r187 said:

@Guitardude7 Well probably it isn't your cup of tea that just like saying "so what's makes mario games any special his games are hella overrated and nothing but rehashed titles with the name Mario" understand its just gamer opinions.



Fazermint said:

I can never agree with top games lists. The only two I would count among the best are SMG and FFVII. But that's just me.



ACK said:

@DerpSandwich I just have to say, I've re-played SM64 every year or two for 15 years. It brings me complete joy laced with a hint of frustration (like every great game should) every single time.

I'm still astounded by the elegant, yet unhinged level design. Still blown away by the amount and variety of challenges packed into each relatively compact level. Having played it so thoroughly, I'm not sure of another 3D platformer that comes close.

I'll acknowledge a level of nostalgia; however, as much as I want to peg Galaxy as the pinnacle, it simply doesn't inspire the same joy when I attempt to replay it. Can't put my finger on it exactly, but the level design just doesn't reach offer a comparable playground of exploration. It's more like a playground of concepts... I suppose the levels are maybe too focused by comparison and certainly become far more tedious over time.



Pod said:

I'm not down with asking the public about the best stuff from "the last X years."

Contemporary games will ALWAYS butt in just because of awareness.

They should have asked about the best games from the decade that ended ten years ago, or five years ago.



DerpSandwich said:

@ACK I certainly get one wallop of a dose of nostalgia whenever I pop the game in, for sure! Nothing takes me back to my childhood like that castle theme.

While getting a lot of the stars is a bit too easy and simple for me, I really do love and miss the open level design. Everyone gets on my case when I dis Galaxy (and more recently 3D World), but I haven't greatly enjoyed a Mario game since Sunshine. I value exploration over all things, so none of the Mario games since have been able to capture the same feeling in me as 64 and Sunshine. It makes me sad that they probably won't ever return to the formula. They seem bent on making everything fun but super linear.



ACK said:

@Tasuki SM64 is the game that clarified what 3D gameplay could offer. There are so many innovations packed into that one game it's hard to know where to begin... Analog control, free-roaming, camera control, vertically-oriented 3D level design, underwater control, incredibly varied goals, etc...

None of the rules governing 3D game design were established until SM64 was released. It could be argued there has never been such a leap forward precipitated by one game since.



Senario said:

Switch Majora's mask and Halo and I will complain less lol. Halo wasn't THAT good.



AlternateButtons said:

@D3athBr1ng3r187 Eh you got a point. I just don't see the creativity or specialness in zombie shooters such as this. Most peoples praise the game for its story but if I wanted story wouldnt I just watch a movie? It's gameplay that matters most and as for the Last of Us, its just your standard survival horror game. It doesn't really do anything unique that other games like it haven't whereas Super Mario 64 defined a genre and Super Mario Galaxy perfected it.

But like you said, it's just my opinion and really isn't my cup of tea so I can't really criticize it too much.



Caryslan said:

Man, Castlevania Symphony of the Night did not make the list. That's a pity, its the best game of its genre, and honestly the only game of its type that is better than Super Metroid.

Such a shame, because Symphony of the Night remains my favorite game of all time.

Why does it never makes these lists?



Caryslan said:

@D3athBr1ng3r187 There are no Sega games on that list, which kinda bums me out. I grew up on Sega consoles, and they have produced some of the best and most innovative games in the history of the business that can stand up to even the best Nintendo has to offer. Why do they never make these lists? I know its reader voted, but surely these gamers played Sega games back in the day.

I could name several Sega games that deserve to be on that list.



retro_player_22 said:

A good list, sad that Chrono Trigger is the only 2D game up there as Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (the Sega Saturn version) were also 2 really great games that are more deserving in the top ten than games like Halo and The Last of Us (good games, just not that good to be in the top ten here, any game that needs DLC doesn't belong up there imo). Also get rid of either Super Mario Galaxy or Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask, we don't need two franchise hogging all the great spots.



mookysam said:

I think Halo deserves to be there. It's incredibly important to the console FPS.
Surprisingly good list overall. The top five are brilliant games and it's good that Chrono Trigger is recognised. I would have sneaked Final Fantasy VI in there also.



D3athBr1ng3r187 said:

@Caryslan So true I grew mostly on Genesis too and NES so I probably know what games you are going to choose. But you see my picture it represents one of my favorite SEGA titles Gunstar Heroes also the category of this lineup is kinda biased Halo, Red Dead Redemption, BIOSHOCK........., Resident Evil 4 derp, and The Last of Us ok nothing wrong with these titles but they is too soon to each other to be called "Best Games of all Time". Same you stated I have PLENTY of titles that I played growing up I could have named that deserve to be on this list and more.



MoogleMuffins said:

@NoUsernameHere Why? Because they aren't Nintendo games?

Some of those games on that list are considered the greatest games of all time.

Surprised to see The Last Of Us on there, don't get me wrong it's a great game and I enjoyed it myself but I don't hear many talk about it after they did a single play through. And where oh where is FF VI?



Anclation said:

Can't argue with Ocarina of Time at 1#, and I'm glad Majora's Mask made it on the list as well. Those two are my favorite games of all time!

That said, Xenoblade definitely would have deserved a top 10 spot as well.



GraveLordXD said:

Where is metroid prime!!!!
Glad to see dark souls made this list it also made my personal top 20 list of best games of all time I think I put it at around 16ish



sketchturner said:

Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are glaring absences. While my top 20 would look radically different, the games I think are most understandable on the list are:
19 - The Legend of Zelda: Marjoa's Mask
8 - Shadow of the Colossus
7 - Goldeneye 007
5 - Resident Evil 4
2 - Super Mario 64
1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time



Mask0Gears said:

Magnificent. People still appreciate good games... However, how in the WORLD did MM get 19th? Ocarina of Time got 1st... I'd have that spot for it's sequel.



datamonkey said:

Mario 64 would be mine.

Back in the 90's that game blew everything else away and I still think it is the best Mario to date as it is the only 3D Mario with full 3D camera and movement throughout the whole game...



TheAdrock said:

Twilight Princess and Wind Waker belong on that list. The original Diablo was also legendary.



NintyMan said:

This is a pretty typical list.

Edit: Forgot that both Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World were more than 20 years ago. Whoops.



kingston589 said:

This is greatest games people. Not most nostalgic or revolutionary. Just because its old and made by nintendo doesnt mean its great



timp29 said:

Can't argue with most of those choices. Wish I could play shadow of the colossus

My only change might have been putting Diablo 2 in there somewhere, but WoW probably deserves to be above Diablo 2 (never played WoW, knew I would be hooked).

I also felt that Mario Kart 64 deserved a mention.

And I hear some people questioning why some sequels lost out to the original... I guess you have to take into account the context when these games were released. Mario 64 for example was the first genuine 3D platformer and it ticked all the boxes. There was nothing like it when it came out it was completely revolutionary, and to pick the game up today for the first time and play it, you just don't capture what it did for the game industry.



Jack_Package said:

Wow. Mario 64 and Zelda OOT have retained the 'greatest game ever' tag at the end of the first generation of HD consoles. Says it all, really.



Player4 said:

No Fire Emblem Awakening?! Okay.. 😐 Guess I have to make my own list with Blackjack and Awakening.



Kaze_Memaryu said:

I'm tired of people telling me Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64 are all that good.
Opinons aside, both games have aged horribly. The controls are wobbly, the hitboxes are rough, and both games suffer from quite a handful of bugs, though only one for each title has game-breaker status.
The entire praise for Mario and Zelda on N64 generally lives off of the fact that both games were among the very first of their kind back then (3D platformer and 3D action adventure), but compared to later games (notably Wind Waker and Super Mario Sunshine), it's obvious that the details of both genres weren't well-defined back then.
I don't know what makes people think those two games are supposedly better than their successors, but I'm pretty sure these votes stem halfway from nostalgia, while the other half is that they were new in the sense that nobody had this kind of experience before, so there were absolutley no expectations to surpass.



Moviefan2k4 said:

No games from the "Mega Man" or "Castlevania" series? No versions of "Tetris", either? Insulting!



GraveLordXD said:

@Kaze_Memaryu both games were groundbreaking for its time Oot did things that has never been done before like being able to target your enemies not to mention those two games are probably the least buggy games on that list



Giygas_95 said:

Ocarina of Time I can agree with, but I think Super Mario 64 is both dull and overrated. Probably my least favorite 3D Mario game. Thing that get's me though is that OoT is such a cliched choice for best game.

And why isn't Super Metroid on this list?! That is TRULY the best game of all time!

I'm glad to see Chrono Trigger up there though!



Haxonberik said:

Thats a pretty good list, but mine would be very different, even while including a lot of the games on it.



Expa0 said:

Meh. I don't like the list at all.

My list would be:
1. Chrono Tirgger
2. Suikoden 2
3. Final Fantasy 7
4. Final Fantasy 5
5. Super Metroid
6. Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne
7. Breath of Fire 2
8. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
9. Axelay
10. Parasite Eve 2



Giygas_95 said:

@Expa0 Out of all your games I've only played Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid, but those two definitely belong there!



Zombie_Barioth said:

I'd say this is a pretty solid list. The only thing I find a bit off is how the top few games also just so happen to be among the list of most critically acclaimed fan favorites. Not that I think they're undeserving of such praise, I just can't help but suspect a certain amount of bias with them all in the top 5 like that.



Caryslan said:

@timp29 Do you have a PS3? Its on an HD collection with Ico, and its also being offered for free to Playstation Plus members alongside Ico.



MussakkuLaden said:

Convincing list, although I think that a few games, like The Last of Us, must still prove to leave a lasting impression.
Nice to see that Majora's Mask made it into the list, this really surprised me, rather than any of the more recent Zeldas (after all, especially WW and TP have a large fanbase too). This may be due to that this is the EDGE and not any other magazine.
I would also say that Perfect Dark belongs into the list much more than Goldeneye, but I'm not surprised the see the latter included.
In short, there seem to be a lot of N64 fans among the EDGE readers, while SEGA fans seem to be absent..., Shenmue anyone? Or maybe there actually were some votes for Shenmue, but they probably got divided between the first and the second game. Or maybe it just got forgotten over the years...



OGGamer said:

1.Super metroid
2.TLOZ Ocarina of time
3. Metroid prime trilogy
4. TLOZ a link to the past
5. Starfox 64
6. Super mario galaxy 1,2
7. Xenoblade chronicles
8. Secret of mana
9. Mega man x
10. Radiant silver gun
11. Sin and punishment 2
12. Ikaruga
13. TLOZ majoras mask
14. Gunstar super heroes
15. Gradius v
16. Wonderful 101 ( this should definitely be on here , especially if they included that junky "the last of us")
17. Mario 64
18. TLOZ Twilight princess
19. TLOZ Wind waker
20. Contra

This is the REAL list with every game having the potential to earn the top spot . Of course this all depends on tastes, age, and personal bias or what have you .



Caryslan said:

Why do people rank Super Metroid above Castlevania: Symphony of the Night? Super Metroid is an awesome game, but SOTN is the better game in almost every single way and improves on what Super Metroid did.

Super Metroid is the second best game in its genre, but SOTN is the undisputed king in my opinion.



Expa0 said:

Well I personally prefer the faster pace Super Metroid has + I personally find a futuristic space setting much more interesting than a medieval one. Both are top tier games though.



Freelance said:

Are most of the Edge readers console players? There's a horrible lack of PC games in that list. I see maybe 2 games, but that's it. What a shame.



Sideswipe said:

It looks like a good list but I think they should've put GTA San Andreas instead of Vice City.



SuperMinusWorld said:

Super Mario Galaxy is the best game of all-time in my book. And it's the highest rated game on GamesRankings.



Dogpigfish said:

I don't see Starcraft. This is a fun poll, but hardly reflects most of the greats. I don't know why Dark Souls or Bioshock are on here. The question was for the last 20 years, not now. Might as well put Pikmen 3 on there as number 1.



Azaris said:

>Not putting Final fantasy ANYWHERE on your top 20 list.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.



Expa0 said:

Meh. I thought PE1 was pretty disappointing, it moves like molasses and the combat really isn't interesting for me at all. the music & story is great though just like in PE2.



placidcasual said:

@Captain_Balko If you've played it you'll know why-trust me! I know it hasn't been out long but you kind of know when you're playing something that good that it will stand the test of time. Think about how you might have felt when you were playing ocarina, bet you thought that would go down in history when you played it. Know I did dude...



D3athBr1ng3r187 said:

@Expa0 I see I think PE2 was a sign of failure for me because the game was trying to be a RE knockoff and the story didn't even make since and WTF is a NO.9 but its cool that we both at least played the series LOL so kudos to ya.



electrolite77 said:

That's actually a pretty good list. FF7 is the anomaly to me, a bit too high. HL2 I never played as I only had an Xbox at the time and that version gave me motion sickness. The top two are unquestionable classics, Halo is the last FPS I liked, RE4/Last of Us/ICO/Shadow of the Colossus/Red Dead Redemption/Vice City are all great.

I'd have liked to see Metroid Prime, Little Big Planet, Advance Wars, Burnout 2, Rez and Wipeout (2097 or HD) get a nod but can't have it all



fluggy said:

Funny how 2 Zelda's are on it but only one Galaxy... Galaxy 2 was superior in every way!! Still, happy Nintendo are taking over the list!



Geonjaha said:

If this list was for the most revolutionary games of the last 20 years I'd probably agree with it a lot more. As if stands I just find it funny how people still think no game that came out in the last 20 years is better than Ocarina of time. But hey, that's what nostalgia does to you.



Pod said:

Come to think of it, I very much appreciate if these lists were just referred to as the readers' favorites. And I guess they are sometimes. People just always get up in arms and want to argue when it's referred to as a list of the "best" or "greatest" games.



pukka-pie said:

GTA V and Final Fantasy VII would be the top 2 for me. Oblivion would also have to be in there.

It's funny, I have never ever ever met anyone that thinks Vice City is better than San Andreas... but Vice City always trumps it on lists like this...



pukka-pie said:

@electrolite77 FFVII is amazing. I played it for the first time this year and it was spectacular. The best video game music ever (okay, Zelda and several Mario games run it close), a near perfect combat system, a magic/ materia system that is sublime in it's simplicity, some great boss fights, an engaging plot. One of the best RPG's I have ever played.



Araknie said:

Halo doesn't exist, Halo: Combat Evolved is the real thing.
This a spectacular fail coming from EDGE.
(yes i like EDGE because has low standards for everything, they eff-up sometimes too, but at least they're more honest from the start in making you understand that 6 is average and 7 is good)



retro_player_22 said:


Super Metroid is rated higher than Castlevania: Symphony of the Night not because it is great but because it was able to accomplish what it could on a console that is not as powerful as the one (Sega Saturn) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night was release for. Had Super Metroid being release on the N64 and not the Super NES than I would put it below Symphony of the Night. Fortunately like many will say, there won't be a Symphony of the Night if there isn't a Super Metroid. Super Metroid had used every juice the SNES could give it, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night only use half that on the Sega Saturn.



Kaze_Memaryu said:

@LDXD Well, they were, but this groundbreaker status has long since faded away, and they just can't keep up with newer games nowadays. I didn't mean to say they were mediocre back then (by all means, no).



Shambo said:

Eternal Darkness and ZombiU (yes, i.m.o.) should be in there too. I also like L.A. Noire a lot, and Hitman 2, Xenoblade and Big Bang Mini. And Wario Ware twisted. No More Heroes 2, Madworld,... Now they keep coming. But still, a very decent list.
And it's not my personal list after all.



triforcepower73 said:

Seems legit. Although I don't necessarily agree with the order, most of the picks up there deserve to be there. But seriously, if Halo has to be anywhere on that list, why is it so high when most of the lower ranked games are way better?



Ukee said:

Replace Resident Evil 4 with Silent Hill 2 and Final Fantasy VII with VI and then we'll talk EDGE.

And where is Megaman X?



Mystemo said:

I knew The Last of Us would be on the list, but I really wished that it wouldn't. I will never be able to understand what people see in that game.



Henmii said:

Oot is also my favorite! And I agree that Metroid prime (or Metroid prime 2) should have been on the list!



MoogleMuffins said:

@NoUsernameHere Come on, I refuse to believe that. I can understand preferring one console over another. But the majority of every Playstation games are overrated?

There are hundreds of fantastic games that have come out on all Playstation systems. I can't believe you could possibly say "not bad every now and then".



MoogleMuffins said:

@NoUsernameHere I'm not arguing at all with you at all. I'm just puzzled by your previous statements. Plus you've gone from saying most are overrated to some. Yes I agree, Nintendo makes good games, fantastic games at that. They've also made some pretty poor ones. I just think it's a bit of a ignorant statement to call the entire library of PlayStation games overrated. Or any other systems. You're entitled to your opinion of course, I was just trying to understand it.



FishieFish said:

Suprising to see The Last of Us on that list, since it hasn't been out that long (by the way, I think it deserves that spot, amazing game), also I'm surprised that Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas didn't make the list.



MoogleMuffins said:

@FishieFish Yeah that was a surprise for me too. It seems to be a general opinion that it's the best entry in the franchise. Even though personally I could never get into it.



GreatPlayer said:

I actually thought that ICO was fun but a bit boring after a while... Shadow of the Colossus is way more fun! Fun-wise, Resident Evil 4 is more fun. But creativity-wise, Shadow of the Colossus is better.



World said:

Aw, you Shenmue guys. I love that game too. It's one of my favorites and has some wonderful moments (that scene where he borrows the motorcycle? It's hard not to get all misty, right?)

But I really couldn't see it being a "Top 20 Games of All-Time" list.

It's fabulous, sure, but have you ever tried to get someone to play it...? I think it takes a...special person to really get psyched to guide brown leather jacket man around for a rousing round of chatting up the locals.

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