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Toon Link Adventuring Onto Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Maybe he'll tri-force (we are sorry...)

Just recently Peach was finally confirmed for Super Smash Bros. on Wii U and 3DS, an inevitable reveal that nevertheless pleased plenty of fans. The official website for the games has now confirmed the return of Toon Link, the plucky young cel-shaded hero that, of course, is prominent once again in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD.

As with the reveal of Peach there are plenty of screens to enjoy, so below is today's daily image as well as all of those from Toon Link's new profile page. We think he's looking rather fantastic, but let us know your thoughts, and whether you plan to make use of the character, in the comments below.

[via smashbros.com]

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Kirk

#2

Kirk said:

Well, he's certainly the Link from Wind Waker but he's done in a far more 3D rendered style than the actual "toon" style.

I still like the proper/full toon-shaded look more but he looks good here regardless and I guess this style helps him fit in with the other characters more.

Finntendo

#4

Finntendo said:

I'm so sorry, but looks like that brown smoke is coming under Peach's dress... :D

But to Toon Link. Cool. I like WW so much. Even I won't be buying WWHD at release since I have the original game (..tho I highly doubt that price would come down any time soon..it never does in games such as Zelda and Mario... unless you find one in supermarket's sale)

Tsuchinoko

#5

Tsuchinoko said:

I knew it!!! I knew he was going to be in, even when a lot of people thought he wouldn't be because of his appearance in the Spirit Tracks stage.

Hmm, it only took two weeks for them to announce him, as opposed to the month gap between the previous characters.

NintyMan

#7

NintyMan said:

He looks much better in these games than in Brawl. He actually looks more like a toon rather than his semi-realistic makeover in Brawl. Great news considering a lot of people seemed to think the Toon Link in the Spirits Tracks stage on the 3DS somehow disproved his return, but I'm happy that's not the case. I like playing as Toon Link more than the normal Link because he's faster and lighter.

This has taught me to pay attention to the Japanese releases of upcoming games for now on.

Snkfiend

#10

Snkfiend said:

When they going to reveal NEW characters not old characters that been in the game? I want to be excited but right now but I keep seeing the same characters from SSBB that's being revealed and still no story mode so how this game going to be fun rather than being competitive.

Spanjard

#11

Spanjard said:

Now let Falcon join the show and I'll make sure toon link will be falcon kicked away.

Dark-Luigi

#12

Dark-Luigi said:

Ha, knew it! And he's another one of my favorite brawlers! And two characters in one month? Wow!

Romeo

#13

Romeo said:

i'll enjoy this game so much, i just know it...
so excited for it

hopefully it'll have an amazing online service!
wondering if i should get both (wii u + 3ds version) or just the wii u version

could easily get both, but i think whenever im in the mood for smash bros.. i'd prefer the wii u version

Bulbousaur

#16

Bulbousaur said:

Well that kills my hope for a Majora's Mask themed Young Link with a mask-based moveset... Toon Link was one of my favourite characters to play as in Brawl, but I can't help feeling a bit disappointed. No Fierce Deity Final Smash...

Domon

#17

Domon said:

Wait...but wasn't he in the trailer for the 3DS stages (the one based on Spirit Tracks) as a background character? OMG Toon Link-ception! O_o

Tsuchinoko

#18

Tsuchinoko said:

@Domon Meh, it doesn't really matter. In the overall Zelda storyline, those are supposed to be two different characters anyway. Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass were the same Link, but Spirit Tracks was a different person.

RupeeClock

#20

RupeeClock said:

@Domon I was thinking that too, although Spirit Tracks Link is the descendant of Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Link.

Rafie

#21

Rafie said:

Very good. Now my hopes for Jigglypuff just went through the roof.

Prof_Clayton

#22

Prof_Clayton said:

So this is just one less spot for new characters to take up. Honestly he's a good character but I'd rather have seen someone new, which we haven't yet.
But hooray for all of his fans!
(Makes sense I suppose, WWHD and all).

MrMario02

#25

MrMario02 said:

I actually Expected Toon Link. The link on the spirit train is different than the one in wind waker.

DreamyViridi

#26

DreamyViridi said:

This is fantastic news for me, Toon Link is one of my faves; so his return gets me that little bit more hyped! Honestly wasn't expecting him in Smash Bros. 4.

NintyMan

#28

NintyMan said:

Before anymore of you complain that Toon Link is going to be a clone again, just remember that the movesets for some of the characters in these games are not final. Donkey Kong is very strong right now, but he will probably be downgraded a little for the final product. That tells me that it's too soon to judge how these characters will fight, especially when we're only going by some screenshots.

Austroid

#29

Austroid said:

I'm honestly upset. We don't need clone characters, let alone another Link for the third time in a row.

Why do so many people love playing as Toon Link in Brawl anyway? He had the EXACT same moveset as regular Link.

NintyMan

#30

NintyMan said:

@Austroid: Toon Link is lighter and faster than normal Link. And for all we know, Toon Link might have a few new moves this time.

thesilverbrick

#32

thesilverbrick said:

Mark my words: we'll see Sonic on October 24th (Lost World's Japanese release date). That is, if sonic is returning, anyway...

shinpichu

#33

shinpichu said:

@Snkfiend
1) Not all of the characters that have been revealed were guaranteed to return. Toon link in particular had a lot of people expecting him to be cut., as did Olimar to a lesser extent.
2)It gives Sakurai a chance to show off any changes made to the characters since Brawl.
3)This is the same way things happened with the Brawl Dojo. IIRC after the initial trailer there wasn't another newcomer reveal for several months.

Anyway, this confirms that Sakurai doesn't feel the need to follow a "one reveal per month" pattern and instead reveals characters coinciding with important dates(i.e. anniversaries, launch days).

LoZ4life98

#35

LoZ4life98 said:

Am I the only one who kinda likes the 3DS art style almost more than the Wii U screens?

SMW

#36

SMW said:

@LoZ4life98 Nope. I actually used to think that it was an optional setting on the Wii U one. I totally forgot there was a 3DS one too! :D

SomeBitTripFan

#37

SomeBitTripFan said:

I hope they've changed his moveset. Otherwise, clones confirmed! Still, he looks creepy, like the Villager.

Justaguest

#38

Justaguest said:

so I guess reason behind news about these expected-to-be-in-game characters is that there might not be some characters that were in SSBB?

TheKingOfTown

#40

TheKingOfTown said:

I kinda wish they'd stop revealing secret characters. I was hoping to avoid spoilers, unlike in Brawl where I temptation led me to find out all the secret characters.

MrWalkieTalkie

#41

MrWalkieTalkie said:

Yeah in okay with this. He's clearly different enough from the other links to get his own stand-alone fighter. Better than Young Link.

Snkfiend

#42

Snkfiend said:

@shinpichu I agree but that's isn't going to change my opinion about this game characters and the Story mode. I'm feeling like i'm going to be paying $60 bucks for the same stale fighting game with NO modes that's Arcade, VS, Training, and Online with no story campaign which is a waste of my time. I want to enjoy this game for fun because I don't see this game as a competitive fighter for me to so called "train" also I wish Sakurai wasn't a baby about the whole story/intro thing and give what the half of the community that's casual what they want and the other community that's competitive they want but for now it looks like he's going one sided again.

jjmesa16

#43

jjmesa16 said:

That picture with the Pikmin background is stunning. I can't wait for this game. I'm getting it for the Wii U and 3DS.

Einherjar

#47

Einherjar said:

Didnt they say they wanted to reduce the clone characters ? I hope that he has at least a different moveset, based on the Wind Waker saga items.

DarkNinja9

#48

DarkNinja9 said:

woooot he is one of my favorites :D for some reason better then regular link in SSBB regular link felt weird :|

why would peach being back be any surprising news?

Blue_Yoshi

#49

Blue_Yoshi said:

YESSSS, alas he was one of my favorite characters in Brawl, along with Pikachu and Sonic. Mr. Game and Watch and Lucario were also favorites of mine as well. Really Hope Game and Watch makes it again.

VoiceOfReason

#50

VoiceOfReason said:

@Snkfiend
So... I take it then that you know more about this game than the rest of us since you already know all the modes that will be present in the game. Sakurai's just a big idiot, huh?

Snkfiend

#51

Snkfiend said:

@VoiceOfReason If he took out story mode and the freaking intro so what that make him? It's my opinion bro I been playing this game since the first and I don't need a tool to tell me what I need to know about what "modes" are in the game and besides I was talking about Crapcom fighters.

NintyMan

#52

NintyMan said:

I'm perfectly fine with veterans being revealed at a faster pace than newcomers, and it makes sense. There's a lot more older characters than new ones, obviously. Newcomers will likely only be announced through Nintendo Directs while veterans will be revealed through Pic of the Day. Luigi was the exception because it's his year.

RedYoshi999

#54

RedYoshi999 said:

Yes! I'm so happy my main from Brawl is back! Didn't expect him to make it.

(You guys are such tri-hards for using the same tagline twice) :P

TeeJay

#56

TeeJay said:

YEEEEEEEES YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!! My main SSBB character is coming back! Now I'll have him AND Megaman to choose from!

Hunter-D

#57

Hunter-D said:

So far all of the characters have been amped up in both colour and vibrancy as opposed to the dark more realistic approach in SSBB.

I'm loving it!

Dr_Corndog

#58

Dr_Corndog said:

I was sure he'd be cut after seeing him as a stage element, and I was actually pretty happy. Well, maybe he'll get a more interesting move set, or maybe SSB4's roster will be big enough that a few clones won't push anyone else out.

VoiceOfReason

#59

VoiceOfReason said:

@Snkfiend
Yes, he took out story mode. But how do you know he didn't put in a new mode to make up for it? You don't. So far, every SSB game has had things the previous one didn't. I doubt this is an exception.

Snkfiend

#60

Snkfiend said:

@VoiceOfReason Well this is because I was a young one when I played the series I'm older now to understand what's going on with the game. Regardless of Melee ruined my fun of the SSB series because of the BS so called competitive scene and Brawl was the reason why I loved that series the best because of the Subspace Emissary and the balance the game had. And you can correct me on the subject he probably develop something new in but probably nothing major.

Smitherenez

#64

Smitherenez said:

My favorite from brawl! He does look a bit off though. I hope we get to see some new 'challengers' soon. We have only seen some comebacks next to the wiifit trainer and megaman.

MrWalkieTalkie

#65

MrWalkieTalkie said:

I hope they do to Toon Link like what they did with Luigi. Sort of a clone, but with enough originality to stand out.

VoiceOfReason

#66

VoiceOfReason said:

@Snkfiend
Melee was actually my favorite in the series. I don't play the SSB games for story and balance but whatever. If you are correct and there isn't anything major, then congratulations! You proved me wrong!

Doma

#67

Doma said:

Why is Link wearing a clump of bananas in the WiiU version?.....

Seriously, the lack of detail makes this the ugliest version of Smash to date. At this rate, i may not regret limiting myself to the 3ds version.

Gioku

#68

Gioku said:

Am I the only one who thinks the graphics on the 3DS version are more impressive; relatively speaking, at least? I think the graphics on the 3DS version show off the maximum capabilities of the system more than the Wii U version... just sayin'...

UnseatingKDawg

#71

UnseatingKDawg said:

Ugh... they said they could only have so many characters... WHY bring this back? He's practically a clone of Link! They could've picked from how many other characters, but NOOOO....

As you can tell, I won't be using Toon Link.

WingedSnagret

#72

WingedSnagret said:

I'm honestly surprised that he didn't get cut. Not being one of my mains, I'm really indifferent whether he came back or not. But nice news regardless.

Ernest_The_Crab

#73

Ernest_The_Crab said:

@Doma Lack of detail? Have you actually taken a look at Peach? And what would you have done to the WW Link without actually ruining his original look WHILE making him fit in with the rest of the cast?

@Haxonberik He may announce him to coincide with the release of Lost World.

Here's hoping he won't be a Fox/Falco clone and more like a Fox/Wolf clone (where his moveset was a lot more different). Though the spin attack already puts that into doubt.

Tasuki

#74

Tasuki said:

You know I never really liked the SSB series but I am excited for this one not sure why. Definitely going to at least rent this one from Game Fly.

KingofSaiyans

#75

KingofSaiyans said:

@Austroid

I'm with you on this one. Clones are a waste of character slots. At the very least Toon Link should just be an alternate costume for Adult Link since I doubt Toon Link will have any unique moves

BATRA

#76

BATRA said:

if toon link can come back so can all others too it makes me think if toad might come out to and ridley to this is very funny ANY THING CAN HAPPEN NOW who is next now?

shinpichu

#77

shinpichu said:

@Snkfiend
Oh, I'm sorry. Did somebody force you to play Smash competitively? No? Then you shouldn't give a s*** how other people play the game.

Anyway, if a SSB4 mode would have been anything like SSE then I'm glad they removed it. SSE was garbage, and it took time away from other parts of development. Hopefully the removal of SSE means they have more time to work on stuff, including other 1P modes like Break the Targets.

AlexSora89

#79

AlexSora89 said:

And with Luigi, yet another main of mine gets in SSB4. :D

Now all that's missing is Sonic (cue the flying pigs) and the Trainer, then I can pretty much say we're in business.

Okay, okay, just the Pokémon Trainer.

Snkfiend

#82

Snkfiend said:

@VoiceOfReason Bravo to ya now you are using the "I don't play the game for the storylines excuse" I heard this record over and over again sigh.... just let me have my opinion and you keep kneeling over backwards for Sakurai that BS others that have the same opinion thanks.

ACK

#83

ACK said:

Thank god! Easily my most played character all the way back to Young Link. I would be out of sorts playing SSB without him at this point. Can't wait to pull of his mind blowing recoveries.

KingofSaiyans

#87

KingofSaiyans said:

@UnseatingKDawg

That's my concern as well. Since the Wii U version has to be limited because of the 3ds every unique character counts. Instead they're wasting character space

LeVideoGamer

#88

LeVideoGamer said:

Lame. Only a certain amount of characters can make it due to 3DS restrictions, yet we've got two versions of Link. Anyway, you guys are excited, so that's all I'll say.

What I'd like to know is which characters actually won't return. I'm sure Sakurai said there would be cuts, but with Toon Link returning, I have no clue who will go. Ike? Snake? Lucario? Maybe even R.O.B.?

MussakkuLaden

#90

MussakkuLaden said:

Wow, that character model looks great! Of course it's lacking the cel-shading-feeling of its original, but of course that's also necessary to create a coherent appearance among the other characters in SSB. In any case, his model seems impressive, in fact much more an improvement over the Wii-version than for instance the normal Link's model. Maybe they are still working on all the models after all, as Peach already seemed to look better than the others, too.

Captain_Toad

#91

Captain_Toad said:

Ugh, not Toon Link!........ memories of the....... air down+A move........slowly returning............

VoiceOfReason

#94

VoiceOfReason said:

@Snkfiend
"Let me have my opinion" is way overused as an excuse for people to be complete idiots on the internet.
"you keep kneeling over backwards for Sakurai" Its not about Sakurai. It's about SSB. Your reasoning is invalid.
The last I'll say about this is: I feel sorry for you.

JimLad

#95

JimLad said:

I'd like to see new characters too but let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't exactly created any memorable characters since Captain Olimar (if you consider him memorable) The inclusion of 'Villager' and Wii Fit Trainer to me is a sad reflection on Nintendo's software as of late.

That said this Toon Link does look awesome in HD.
I think Archgamer is right, Dixie Kong would be a logical addition.

Snkfiend

#96

Snkfiend said:

@VoiceOfReason Not if you are a "complete tool" which are starting an argument with someone forming a opinion over a Nintendo game. Which happens all the time.

LeVideoGamer

#97

LeVideoGamer said:

@NintendoMonkey No, you're right. I shouldn't share my thoughts because they're negative.

"Just deal with it"? What makes you think I haven't dealt with it? So I don't like the inclusion of one character out of God knows how many, it's not like I'm boycotting the game. Quit being so defensive.

Snkfiend

#100

Snkfiend said:

@bezerker99 No problem just I was stressed over people jumping on me about one single opinion and it went out of proportion. I'm on the fence about this game that's all and I don't agree about the Story Mode and the characters.

MrWalkieTalkie

#101

MrWalkieTalkie said:

Keep in mind, people: Toon Links moves may change in the future like what Sakurai said about Peach and how her moves haven't been finalized yet.

bahooney

#102

bahooney said:

Hnnnnng I was so worried he wasn't going to be announced. But I'm getting worried about the prospect of new characters... with all these repeats!

LeVideoGamer

#103

LeVideoGamer said:

@NintendoMonkey Again, take down your shields. Not once did I say "Sakurai doesn't know what he's doing". He's been working on the games for over 14 years, and all three have been excellent, so who am I to say such a thing?

I said "two versions of Link". I didn't say the word 'clone', because I know very well that the games are not being released until next year, they're not finished, and anything can change in that time, including Toon Link's moveset. That isn't my problem.

Get your emotions in check before you respond again. I'm not criticising the decision to include Toon Link, because it does make sense to include him. I'm saying I don't agree with it.

Senario

#104

Senario said:

@shinpichu I loled it is so true that nobody ever forced anybody to play competitively in melee. I lose 99% of my games against my younger brother but it does not ruin my experience in melee. I am not even that terrible at the game. People complaining about having any sense of competitive gaming in melee make no sense.

Morphbug

#105

Morphbug said:

I'm a little disappointed by the fact that he's his Wind Waker self.

He should've been the one from one of the DS games (yes I know THAT no need to tell me).

shinpichu

#106

shinpichu said:

@DarkKirby
OH NO, 1 CLONE CHARACTER! CLEARLY THE ROSTER IS BEING OVERRUN WITH CLONES!

Seriously, it's like some of you people who complain about Smash clones have never even looked at another FG roster. Brawl only had ~4 or 5 clones out of almost 40 characters. Plus, unlike other FGs, all the clones in smash are at least variations on different characters rather than the same character.

Doma

#108

Doma said:

@shinpichu DK is fine (his fur is still inferior compared to the new DKC). The rest of them look so bland, like they're dolls.

Ricube

#109

Ricube said:

He is so expressive in those screenshots! And he shows different contextual emotions, like in WW. Anyway thry should even do a young link that can use the deku, goron and zora masks from Majora's Mask!

Snkfiend

#110

Snkfiend said:

@shinpichu Can I explain something are you some kinda Nintendo Savior or something? Why should you care what people think about the game dude?

Captain_Balko

#111

Captain_Balko said:

YES, YES, YES, YES, OH GOD YES! I was assuming that he wouldn't show up due to the screenshot of him on the train as part of the course... BUT MY MAIN FROM BRAWL HAS SHOWN UP! HUZZAH!

Intrepid

#113

Intrepid said:

I remember, both here and on Miiverse, telling people that the Spirit Track Link screenshot meant nothing, as ST Link is completely different than WW/PH Link, but nobody listened. I have no idea why they assumed he wouldn't be in, as WW HD would keep Toon Link relevant as a character, and because Smash Bros. has had a second Link since Melee.

mamp

#116

mamp said:

@shinpichu Who knows maybe he's worried about not getting enough new characters since apparently the amount of characters is going to be limited (because of 3DS limitations) and well toon link basically does the same thing link does he's just faster. I don't really mind it but I can see why others would consider it wasted space for a potential new character. I guess some people are holding out hope for some of their favorites to be announced or something amazing we wouldn't have expected (like megaman for example) and well you never know some of those new characters could end up being someone's new main. I personally look forward to using the Wii Fit Trainer and seeing what she's all about.

WoottWinds

#119

WoottWinds said:

Is there any good gaming site on the internet that doesn't "spoil" the SSB character announcements....? Or at least not directly in the article headlines? Not gonna complain in a way to make it seem like I expect everyone to cater to me, just curious. Kinda miss the days where you found out all this kind of stuff in-game, and if there's a game I 100% know I'll purchase, I stay away from ALL media regarding it to keep it as fresh an experience as possible. But I don't necessarily want to turn off the internet to avoid SSB "spoilers" since every site seems to be doing it along with the Smash site updates. If not I'll deal, just wondering!

NintyMan

#120

NintyMan said:

@MrWalkieTalkie: Right you are. Some people are overreacting. If Donkey Kong can have his power be reduced in time for the finished game, then nothing should be set in stone. Toon Link may have a few new tricks up his sleeve. I guess you'll always have your detractors no matter how much good news there is. I think Toon Link, who was already a great character in Brawl, will be even better in these new games!

@WootWinds: I spoiled almost everything about Brawl on the Smash Bros. Dojo and later regretted it, but that was before I had good internet and visited internet forums. Now that I have better internet and visit NL a lot, there's no way I can avoid Smash spoilers outside of cutting the plug completely. I'm not resigned to it, but it's just a fact. At least it gets me excited for the games.

Squashy

#121

Squashy said:

@Bulby In my opinion as long as they were all sufficiently different, I think it would be fine to have Young Link as well as the other two because if their moves were all different then they wouldn't be clones. Now that I think about it, it would be brilliant to have Paper Mario!

FX29

#122

FX29 said:

Sweet my favourite Brawl character is back, I'll defiantly be using him again.

retro_player_22

#124

retro_player_22 said:

Awesome, hopefully we get Sonic once Lost World came out. I'll be really surprise if any of these other character got into the game too:

  • Bayonetta
  • Shantae

Kinda surprise Namco isn't putting any guess character in this game considering they are developing it.

Senario

#125

Senario said:

@Snkfiend I don't particularly like personal attacks. Nobody is forcing you to play competitive melee. Regardless of advanced techniques in melee the one who spent more time to become a better player will win. It isn't like the competitive scene is restricting how you play or your enjoyment of the game. Quite the opposite, it is expanding the amount of ways you can play. From 4 player matches for fun to competitive team or 1v1 matches.

EDIT: post seems to be gone but seriously, calling me a tool?

Bulbousaur

#126

Bulbousaur said:

@Squashy I'm all up for Paper Mario, he can have a very unique moveset completely different from Mario's. But three different versions of Link? To be honest two is already pushing it a bit. I would rather have a unique character from a different series than another Link, even a Majora's Mask one.

jeb_leeds

#128

jeb_leeds said:

Just realized..Without a C stick there will be "drumroll" NO MORE CHEAP C STICK SMASH ATTACKS ON THE 3DS version!! Well i'll be thats fantastic *tears of joy. All thats left is to get rid of the standing air dodge...your standing its not an air dodge...to make the game balanced again.

WoottWinds

#129

WoottWinds said:

@DestinyMan Yup, I did the exact same thing with Brawl, which is why I was hoping to not do that again this time around, but I suppose that's a pretty impossible task. Oh well.

Guess I just don't get the fascination with finding out every little thing about a game before its released. Trailers and screenshots show off almost every location from a particular game, some even give away big plot points, but those are at least easy to not look at if you don't want to. Saying, "___ is a secret character in Wonderful 101", "Laharl turns into a ____", "____ dies in Arkham City", "____ stage/character in Super Smash", or "____ is a new world in Kingdom Hearts" in the headlines is what gets me angry. Most sites (not accusing one over any of the others) will say all the cool/exciting stuff in the title to get people to look, and I miss the "surprise" aspect of gaming. /rant end

Korudo13

#130

Korudo13 said:

I would have rather had one good Link than two versions. I get why he's in, but if the roster's going to be smaller as it is...I'd like to see as few clone characters as possible. I really hope Wolf and Pichu don't make it in...

Jahir

#132

Jahir said:

Great! I was worried he had been left out. An impressive character from SSBB, much better than Link and really fast in comparison to his "real" part.

@DarkKirby I hope that's a joke.

Kryce

#133

Kryce said:

So happy about this ! I was afraid he wil be changed , he was my favorite on brawl !

AltDotNerd

#134

AltDotNerd said:

Please let him have a different moveset than Link. Give him use of the Deku Leaf, the Grappling Hook, DON'T LET HIM BE ANOTHER CLONE!

Doma

#136

Doma said:

@allav866 Ha, that's true but they were supposed to be brought to life from those. For some reason they were left in toy form this time.

Snkfiend

#138

Snkfiend said:

@Senario There no such thing a "advanced mechanics" only BS glitches people found in the game that's isn't even a real fighter and for calling you a tool I'm sorry I was angry at the other guy I was commenting with so I erased the immature comment.

shinpichu

#139

shinpichu said:

@mamp
The only thing "limiting" about the 3DS is it's processing power, since it's CPU is apparently even slower that the Wii's. the only thing in smash that this could possibly affect is the IC's, since their partner AI eats up a lot of the CPU apparently.
@Snkfiend
None of the well-know Melee Advanced Techniques are glitches. L-Canceling was an intentional gameplay feature that had been around since Smash 64, and Wavedashing was a result of the game's special landing animation working as intended by conserving momentum on landing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjjVqqbCLfw

And again, if you don't like playing the game with these techniques, then nobody is forcing you to use them.

shinpichu

#140

shinpichu said:

@jeb_leeds
How are C-Stick Smashes cheap, exactly?

Edit: and I find it highly likely that Smash 4 3DS will have CPP support, so...yeah.

jeb_leeds

#141

jeb_leeds said:

C-stick smashes register much faster than the A+Direction smash attacks, and often lead to people spamming smash attacks too fast to counter. If the A+Direction smash attack was as fast as the C one there would be no problem.

shinpichu

#144

shinpichu said:

@jeb_leeds
C-Stick Smashes aren't that much faster than normal Smashes. The only thing they cut out is >1 second of charging animation. They're not that hard to avoid from my perspective.

jeb_leeds

#147

jeb_leeds said:

@shinpichu So what do you think they will do in the 3DS version as far as a C stick smash. I figured cause there is no second joystick there is not really an option to do so

chaos_

#148

chaos_ said:

@Gioku i think the same thing. The Wii U version looks like Wii graphics and what sucks even more is that the Wii U version is going to have a limited number of chars thanks to the 3ds which imo isn't fair to Wii U owners

Jazzer94

#149

Jazzer94 said:

Why do people keep saying Toon Link is a clone of Link if people bothered to actually play as him they might realise that he is lighter and faster but does less damage and is probably the most balanced character in SSBB and I'm happy he is returning as he is my main.

AugustusOxy

#150

AugustusOxy said:

Revels in the pointless fan hate. God I love Toon Link. Sooo much better than johnathan taylor thomas link.

shinpichu

#153

shinpichu said:

@Jazzer94
Well he is a clone, since he takes Link's attacks but puts his own spin (hurhurhur) on things. Though I agree it's not really something to be concerned about. Toon Link being a clone isn't going to stop Sakurai adding this or that character if he feels they're worthy.

R_Champ

#155

R_Champ said:

Sigh There goes my hope for no more clones...BRING ON THE LANDMASTERS!

Don't get me wrong, Toon Link is awesome...just not awesome enough to have me wanting clones over original characters like Ike, who is actually original (but everyone wants to see get cut)

Jazzer94

#156

Jazzer94 said:

I kind of wish they worked on the Wii U version first and pushed the Wii U to its limits and then made the 3DS version instead of trying to make them complement each other.
@shinpichu By that logic most characters in Smash series are clones examples
1) Mario, Luigi and Dr Mario
2) Ganondorf and Captain Falcon
3) StarFox characters
4) Mewtwo and Lucario

To me it takes time to spot subtle differences between the characters but when you do you realise they all play completely different to each other.

shinpichu

#157

shinpichu said:

@Jazzer94
Well, yeah, Doc, Melee Falco, and Melee Ganondorf are clones. Lucario and Wolf aren't, however. Though I do agree that once you look past the superficial similarities, most clones do play differently from their "originals."

Snkfiend

#158

Snkfiend said:

@shinpichu Again the Nintendo Savior "saves us" hallelujah but regard of this BS glitches I know how the garbage mechanics work but I don't see this game as a real fighter never did never will. And if they were real mechanics why did Sakurai took the mechanics out of the game in Brawl?

SpinelessOyster

#160

SpinelessOyster said:

Would have like to see Zelda or a Zelda villain revealed. Maybe when ALBW comes out I hope. But I dig this, I always liked Toon Link more than regular Link.

Senario

#161

Senario said:

@Snkfiend Because he wanted to make the game more casual to reflect the player base of the wii and draw in that crowd. Wavedashing was noticed by the devs and left in. The name coming from other fighters where a dash and crouch action resulted in a similar sliding motion. Most famously street fighter had this. L cancelling was purposely put in the game as a way to facilitate combos and was actually nerfed to half effectiveness in melee after smash 64. Many fighters have such cancels like cancelling with a special move, cancelling an animation or cooldown with a jump, and so on. Serious fighters do have these these techniques.

But again, the existence of such techniques do not ruin or change the experience of those who play the game just for fun as you do. And regardless of these techniques a player who has put in the time learning how to play a character well vs non cpu opponents will always best one who has not practiced much or only vs cpu.

Snkfiend

#162

Snkfiend said:

@Senario I won't put my 2 cents anymore about this game or your opinion so I'm going to say this though I hate SF but I like SSB regardless but I'm on the fence for this game and I still don't see this game as a real fighter.

Snkfiend

#164

Snkfiend said:

@Senario One more thing though Sakurai change the mechanics because he didn't wan't the game to be competitive in the first place and he says this out of his own mouth. SSB series suppose to be casual friendly party game in the first place.

DarkLloyd

#165

DarkLloyd said:

I dont got a problem with toon link being in there but truthfully i sort of do because of the roster limit, one link would of been good enough so the slot can get someone else old or new

bassically what trying to say is for each selection to be totaly unique in style rather then name if that makes any sense?

MagicEmperor

#166

MagicEmperor said:

@SkywardLink98 But on the other side of the coin, I'd rather take new characters than clone characters any day.

Still, Toon Link looks great in this game, so I can't say I'm disappointed.

Senario

#167

Senario said:

@Snkfiend But having them in there neither hurts or prevents it's ability to be a fun party game. It is an option that is welcome but does not change four player matches or your ability to have fun. Saying it is an all casual or all fighter is a bit limiting in scope and Sakurai sees that, and that is why Smash 4 is in between melee and brawl. Brawl still has it's fair amount of problems, all of which were not game intended. Chain grabs were only partially taken out, Tripping was a huge annoyance, slower characters had few to no options against the rest of the cast because of their long cooldowns, the lack of hitstun and the cast being too floaty. While he may say that at it's core the game is a fighting game. Just because the main creative head says that doesn't mean he isn't allowed to give people who do enjoy competition an option. It doesn't ruin anybody's experience and for all intents and purposes I don't believe he should make it all casual as that direction severely loses replayability. There is a reason Smash Bros Melee was featured in EVO, the biggest FIGHTING GAME tournament, recently. Unlike brawl the competitive aspects have sticking power unlike brawl where you would be just playing the game with friends or for a few hours then putting it down because there is no depth.

Just because Sakurai thinks it should be a casual party game doesn't mean he is ignoring competitive and the fanbase who still plays melee over brawl.

Groosenator

#168

Groosenator said:

@Snkfiend

All we know so far is that they're not making cutscenes. They may very well have an Adventure Mode... just without any cutscenes. Chances are they use the time saved from making story mode to make more characters or an entirely new mode.

Chill.

Zup

#169

Zup said:

Yes! My second best player (after Samus) confirmed! I was worried that with the roster changes they would have decided to use only regular link. Now they just need to bring back ROB and my team will be complete.

Jeremyx7

#170

Jeremyx7 said:

hahaha, the picture where the bomb goes off under peach's dress makes it look like she farted really bad! XD

On topic now...I'm honestly getting a bit tired of regular character reveals. I hope we see someone new again soon. Somebody from Golden Sun for example would be perfect!!

MorriganIsHot

#171

MorriganIsHot said:

-_- Because one Link isn't enough again huh sakurai? Instead of wasting slots with clones especially since this game will be getting less characters than brawl, should've been given that spot to Palutena, Medusa, King K. Rool, Captain Syrup, Rosalina, or Little Mac. Or bring back Ike, Wario, King Dedede, Meta Knight and Sonic. While the full roster isn't revealed yet, this is just upsetting, just like Luigi isn't getting his vacuum yet again.

Snkfiend

#172

Snkfiend said:

@Senario And guess what the rest of the players didn't give a F@#$ about Melee at EVO and they was laughing at the players and wanted them off the stage I was there.

Suicune

#174

Suicune said:

I worry for Wonder Reds chances...it would have made more sense if he was announced near W101s launch date for hyping purposes (similar to Roy).

Senario

#175

Senario said:

@Snkfiend And your point? They weren't smash fans. You are failing to make an effective argument here though I doubt you were even at EVO since apparently fighting games aren't your thing. The overall response to melee at EVO was positive from what I heard and unless you can directly prove otherwise your credibility is shoddy.

Snkfiend

#176

Snkfiend said:

@Senario Now you going to tell me I wasn't at EVO which I have buddies that are competitive players and we did go. The facts are that the Melee tournaments are always smoke and mirrors that disappears in the dark. While crap tournaments like SF still gets all the popularity. Melee tournaments in the other hand are Money in the Bank to tournament sponsors so rather respecting the players they are using them to get easy money out of them.

DanMan82

#177

DanMan82 said:

I sense a disturbance in the comments.

Also, do we even know what the character limit is yet?

3Daniel

#178

3Daniel said:

Yes toon link! I for one enjoyed the noncellshaded toon link design in brawl and am glad they kept it for smash wiiu3ds

Teaqq2

#179

Teaqq2 said:

I can't believe it! Well, I can, but I'm shell shocked. I know Wind Waker HD is coming out and the fact that Toon Link is better than Link, but when they said they were going to cut characters, I was excepting Toon Link. So what characters are going to suffer? Who now thinks Wolf will return?

Austroid

#180

Austroid said:

@SkywardLink98 So... you'd be happy if no new characters were announced at this point? Isn't that part of the excitement? To see what new characters are going to appear in the next SSB?

Seeing 2 and 3 time veterans return is fine; but a more or less carbon-copy of Link returning just rubs me the wrong way. There are so many other characters more worthy of taking a slot in the roster that haven't even appeared in a SSB yet.

Funny_Moblin

#181

Funny_Moblin said:

I WILL BE SO HAPPY IF MOBLIN FROM WIND WAKER IS IN IT!!!!!! I LOVE THOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE GUY IN MY PROFILE PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UnseatingKDawg

#182

UnseatingKDawg said:

@KingofSaiyans: Exactly. I mean, Luigi is an exception - he's evolved into his own character over the games, and even Mario's been changed a tad so they are more different. But this pain in the butt character... they could've probably picked another fighter from Legend of Zelda, no?

I'm hoping that by this point, they at least return Sonic. Because a three-way fight between Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man shouldn't be missed.

Austroid

#183

Austroid said:

I think what sickens me more, is the fact that Toon Link was revealed before more high-profile characters like Captain Falcon, Ness, or Zelda.

3Daniel

#185

3Daniel said:

@Austroid toon links reveal was to coincide with wwhd's release. Given there was rampant speculation he wouldnt be in it other then a cameo on a 3ds stage. Falcon is to original of a smasher to not be in. Zelda too.

Turbo857

#186

Turbo857 said:

Although I prefer to use normal Link than toon Link, this is finally a decent character reveal. People thought he might be cut. Now bring on Pac-Man, Mii, Lil Mac and Ike so I can finally rest!!

KingofSaiyans

#187

KingofSaiyans said:

@UnseatingKDawg
Yeah Luigi and Mario don't bother me. They are like the Ken and Ryu of smash bros. I would like to see Demise replace ganondorf but I doubt that would happen. And yes, seeing mega man, sonic, and Mario duke it out would be pretty bad donkey. But Sakurais comments about not to expect many 3rd party characters worries me. On top of that I hate how the Wii U version of smash has to be limited because of the 3ds version. So much for smash for Wii U taking advantage of the Wii U's power
Watch the profanity please — TBD

TySoN_F

#188

TySoN_F said:

Yeh, that's mai boi. My number one used character :D Now just reveal Diddy Kong and Sonic (I'd hope he's in with how buddy buddy Nintendo and Sega have been lately) and I'll be good ;3

triforcepower73

#189

triforcepower73 said:

This makes me hopeful that they'll announce even more characters from brawl's roster. Announce Diddy Kong PLEASE!!!

BAGBOY

#191

BAGBOY said:

FINALLY!!!!! A DECENT REVEAL!!!!! I was wondering if he was gonna come back, on the positive side because of wind waker hd but on the downside I thought that sakurai would replace him with the link from a link between worlds; glad you came back toon link....

ACK

#193

ACK said:

Regarding Toon Link's clone cred...

The point is that Link has a great move set and Toon Link's speed and agility (in simplified terms) allow him to use variations of those moves in incredible combos specific to him.

That he is capable of some of Brawl's most impressive recoveries and effective air juggling while being extremely accessible... Not to mention, enjoyable... Really, he should be cemented as an asset to the Smash Bros. roster regardless of preconceptions.

Austroid

#194

Austroid said:

@3Daniel It makes sense, but so far the reveals seem very random. Like why wait to reveal Luigi? He should've been in the teaser trailer at E3, since its the Year of Luigi, and he's a 3-time veteran; instead of some time later during a Direct. Peach's reveal had no significance, as opposed to Olimar with Pikmin 3's release.

I think Captain Falcon should've been revealed by now IMHO, since he's got nothing coming up game-wise, is a 3-time veteran, and Smash Bros. has literally been his only way of staying relevant; like the Star Fox characters.

@ACK That may very well be true, but he's still just another version of Link. If he was another character (like with Marth and Roy) then I personally wouldn't have a problem with him.

3Daniel

#195

3Daniel said:

@Austroid Maybe they are hokding back on a reveal for a virtual console release if fzero gx? Id wait for that. Itll be epic. ^_^

3Daniel

#196

3Daniel said:

They reveal fighters on the 12th of every month. Toom link was revealed with the release of wwhd in japan. So we'll be getting another in two weeks ;)

Austroid

#197

Austroid said:

@3Daniel If they added something as simple as online play, I'd definitely consider buying GX again!

Also If that's true about how they're pacing the character reveals, I'll keep posting this until Captain Falcon graces the SSB site. :D

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SkywardLink98

#200

SkywardLink98 said:

@Austroid No not at all. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. If I have to pick between not having Toon Link and having Toon Link, I want him, even if he's just a Link clone.

Squashy

#201

Squashy said:

@Bulby Yeah I admit three would probably seem excessive. If Majora's Mask 3D does get made though, and I still believe it will, then that Link will be back in the spotlight so it would be a real shame to not have him. Like you said before, a Fierce Deity Link Final Smash would be brilliant.

NightmareXIV

#202

NightmareXIV said:

Seriously they just released Wind Waker HD, and it was awesome, but this Toon Link is a crime against nature he's all wrong.

Chabbox

#203

Chabbox said:

@Cotton Same! Looks really good, wish they made more characters like that, more full coloured, rather than focusing 100% on the textures.

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