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Amazon Lists The Legend Of Zelda: Wind Waker HD For $59.99

Posted by Damien McFerran

Nintendo taking the full-price route?

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD is an updated version of the GameCube classic, which may lead you to assume that Nintendo will follow the example set by HD remakes on other consoles and give the game a lower-than-usual retail price.

Of course, that isn't how Nintendo works - recent 3DS remakes for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Star Fox 64 have both been sold at the same price as other retail titles, and if this listing on Amazon is anything to go by, the same will be true of The Wind Waker HD.

The online retailer has given the game a $59.99 price point - quite possibly a complete guess at this juncture, but perhaps Amazon knows something we don't?

Would you be willing to pay top dollar for a HD version of Wind Waker? That's probably a dumb question, but reply to the poll and post a comment to let us know.

Do you think $59.99 is the right price for a HD Wind Waker? (312 votes)

Yes - it's such an amazing game I don't mind paying full price

36%

No - the game should be sold at a lower price, like other HD remakes

54%

I don't really have an opinion either way

11%

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Kevin

#2

Kevin said:

That's too much for an HD remake. You don't see HD remakes for the PS3 at $60 do you?

shinpichu

#3

shinpichu said:

:facelpalm: Come on, Nintendo. As much as I love Windwaker, there's not enough to warrant a $60 price tag.

Plus, doesn't Nintendo usually go for $50 prices?

Spoony_Tech

#5

Spoony_Tech said:

@shinpichu All their wii U games are 60$ This is more then just upscaling the graphics. They are totally redueing the graphics engine! I always expected full price.

shinpichu

#6

shinpichu said:

@Tech101
I understand that. Doesn't change the fact that it's still likely going to just be Windwaker with a fresh paint of coat, and that's not worth $60. $40 maybe.

Nintenjoe64

#7

Nintenjoe64 said:

While I accept that lots of people love this game and any Nintendo HD remake can only be a good thing, I am pretty worried that HD Gamecube remakes means that they won't have GC VC games.

Full price is too much for an HD remake unless they've added lots of new stuff but the game is probably better than many full price games at the mo.

FullbringIchigo

#8

FullbringIchigo said:

thing is unlike a lot of other HD remakes released on PS3 or xbox a HD remake of The Legend of Zelda the Wind Waker is well worth full price

TreesenHauser

#9

TreesenHauser said:

Considering I never got to play Wind Waker when it was out on GameCube, I have no issue paying full price for a game I personally have never played.

THENAMESNORM

#10

THENAMESNORM said:

It really all depends on how the remake is done. If there's significant improvements(other than how it looks) then I say yeah, It SHOULD be full price! If it's just a glossier version then perhaps the price is too high. It cannot be argued however, that the game is not worth the money.

Collinhall

#11

Collinhall said:

Halo CE anniversary had some pretty great improvements as well as an "expansion" of sorts for Halo:Reach and it still was only 40$

phoenixology

#12

phoenixology said:

Not sure really. I completed Wind Waker on the GC and as much as I'd like buy this to play in HD, $60 seems a bit steep.

efaulk84

#13

efaulk84 said:

Even though I did not play Wind Waker till I got my Wii. I am a tad curious what the pre-order will be on this. I remember that OOT and Mater Quest was the pre-order for the Gamecube game. Who knows if Nintendo can make this game have some sweet pre-order maybe the $60 price tag will be worth it.

triforcepower73

#14

triforcepower73 said:

I have no issue paying full price, because I never played the original. And if it were a director's cut, I would HAVE to give them $60!

player310

#15

player310 said:

Also, the game will have Miiverse integration, so I'd say they pretty much have to rework the whole game... I'd say it's worth it...

ajcismo

#16

ajcismo said:

Got no problem with the price. Its my personal favorite Zelda and knowing the quality that Big N will put into it justifies it for me.

shinpichu

#18

shinpichu said:

@player310
I don't care that they've added Miiverse functions. They'd have to redo the game anyway because this is a port and not just an emulated version.

I don't care how much work went into this version. It's still just a reskinned version of Windwaker.

@SkywardLink98
OoT3D shouldn't have been full price either.

Wildfire

#20

Wildfire said:

I love this game as any of you but and despite buiyng the Ocarina Of Time 3D at full price and will most probably buy this one I really can't agree with the price on a remake being so high.

Peach64

#21

Peach64 said:

I think Amazon are taking an educated guess which will be right. I don't think it should be full price, but it will be, and most of us will pay it too, especially if there's still a shortage of AAA games by then.

I'll probably skip it because I don't like the new look, but if they'd just up scaled the original game in sure I'd give in and pay it, despite being a bit annoyed they didn't add the unfinished content from the GC release.

Amigaengine

#22

Amigaengine said:

Hardly just a reskin,

The game will give players the option to play entirely on the GamePad, and will feature both upgraded graphics and Miiverse integration. Nintendo also plans to tune up the original experience, though precisely what changes that might entail is a mystery at this point. On the visual side of things, the game definitely retains its core visual style, but with the addition of some noticeable visual flourishes (such as enhanced lighting to lend the cel-shading a more vibrant, dynamic look).

Well worth it imo

Jakurdo

#23

Jakurdo said:

Well Im not surprised by this. The OoT 3D remake was full price for example. And let's be real, all the HD remakes on PS3/360 are simply the old games, rendered in HD. This game seems to get a complete graphical overhaul and get some new Wii U specific features (like gamepad-only). Of course you could argue that it's still an old game that shouldn't be full price, and that's a fair point. But anyone who's surprised by this, just wasn't thinking straight tbh.

CanisWolfred

#25

CanisWolfred said:

@Kevin Halo CE was $60. Which is the only remake we've really gotten. Everything else is an enhanced port, which is different from a remake (way less work involved). Was Halo really $40 at launch? I could've sworn it was $60? Well, that changes things a little. Now it really depends on what's added, if this turns out to be true. OoT3D was at least two games in one (technically), so that can be forgiven.

XD375

#26

XD375 said:

The original Wind Waker was only $49.99 when it came out. If this is the remake's actual retail price, Nintendo is being atrocious.

Can't say I didn't totally expect this, though.

shinpichu

#27

shinpichu said:

@Amigaengine
That's stuff I expect with a port. I don't imagine adding Miiverse functionality is all that hard. Can't be much harder than adding trophies or achievements to a game. Playing on the Gamepad? Again, I doubt that'as anything really hard.

hydeks

#28

hydeks said:

game should be at highest $39, it's an old game nintendo, I don't care if you think it's golden, it's still OLD :P

19Robb92

#30

19Robb92 said:

Was the same with OOT3D, as long as they do things to tweak/improve the game using the new hardware I'm fine with it.

Jaz007

#31

Jaz007 said:

@CanisWolfred Yeah the Halo CE remake was $40.

I think $60 is a rediculous price for an HD remake like this. The other remakes have included 2-3 games with sometime even 3D capabilities or have been substantially upgraded and tweaked like Halo CE and they cost $40 and that's what they should be. I'm pretty sure this will not be upgraded more than Halo CE was so why should this be priced like Zelda Wii U will be when it's an old game remade.

shinpichu

#32

shinpichu said:

@Randomname19
Until we see how much of this remake is "new", full price is NOT fine. If it's just a graphical upscale w/ miiverse & gamepad functionality, then it's NOT worth full price. If it turns out to be a 'director's cut' that adds extra dungeons, and maybe fixes some other stuff, then I could see it maybe being full price.

FubumblR

#33

FubumblR said:

Guess it just depends on what they do with the remake.

If they say, add the Greatfish Isle dungeon which was removed before and flesh out the fire/ice islands like they were apparently supposed to be like, along with other tweaks, it potentially might make that price tag worth it.

However, I personally HIGHLY doubt WW:HD will ACTUALLY cost that much; it's only because Amazon has no clue and is pricing only based on the limited history of full retail WiiU releases.

I'm going to guess given Nintendo's propensity for balance: in this case balancing the people who've never played WW and those fans who love it to death, that this release will be around $40, if not less.

Of course, perhaps I'm just being overly optimistic...

shinpichu

#34

shinpichu said:

@FubumblR
I'd rather Greatfish Isle NOT get a dungeon. I liked that Windwaker kinda subverted Zelda formula by having 2 macguffins and dungeons...but then NOT having the 3rd dungeon. I'd rather a fleshed-out Ghost Ship, and possibly a fix for the Triforce fetch quest.

Beta

#35

Beta said:

I think that's only a placeholder price like the time when Wii U games were listed for $100. Besides, complaining about it won't really change a thing, don't like it? Don't buy it. Yes, it's that simple. I will happily buy it with that price because I never played the original but if it was cheaper I would be a LOT happier since it's a steal for me.

shinpichu

#37

shinpichu said:

@DePapier
But its only about $40 or $50 used(shipping included). Of course its expensive new, it's not being produced any more, so new/factory copies are going to be collectors items.

So to answer your question: yes, $60 is still too much.

AceTrainerAndy

#38

AceTrainerAndy said:

Not buying until price drop. I would get it opening night if it was 39.99 or 49.99. 59.99 is too damn high!

DePapier

#39

DePapier said:

@shinpichu ... ... ...
Eventually Gamecube VC games will come. And those of you who would be so cheap as to not by the HD game will be able to play the original one for a cheaper price (and on the GamePad) — though that could be expected to be in a LOOOOOONG time.
The whole sense of this discussion is seriously wearing me down, I think I should just leave.

andreoni79

#40

andreoni79 said:

@XD375 ...and for 50 € we had also Ocarina of Time + Master quest FOR FREE! The guys at Nintendo must be very happy that there's a lot of rich fanboys out there...

WesCash

#41

WesCash said:

Too much. Remakes on non-Nintendo systems are always cheaper than full retail. This is just another case where Nintendo is sadly lagging behind.

shinpichu

#43

shinpichu said:

@DePapier
[citation needed]
Unless you can prove to me that Gamecube VC is 100% happening, then I won't believe it. Sure, it probably will at some point, but this is Nintendo, and they don't always do the obvious thing.

Either way this price is still too high. If Gamecube VC is happening, and WW gets added then people will probably just go for the original.

andreoni79

#44

andreoni79 said:

@shinpichu Gamecube VC? don't forget that the WiiU gamepad has no analogic trigger!!! we'll have to buy another controller to play GC games... those idiots!

Dashtag

#46

Dashtag said:

I'm fine with paying $60 for it. Either way, I'm getting it day 1 most likely.

andreoni79

#47

andreoni79 said:

BTW, these things happens only with Nintendo :(
and if they don't cut prices after few months (as normally happens with the other consoles) I fear they will have a lot of problems... It's hard to see Batman at 69€ when you can get the 360/ps3 Goty version for 39 ...

FJLink

#48

FJLink said:

Back in the day I paid 30€ for the limited edition with Ocarina and Master Quest included. So yeah... 60 is A BIT too much =/
I was expecting 25-30 actually, but with Ocarina 3D being full priced I'd expect something around 35-40. But no more.

2Sang

#49

2Sang said:

I will not buy this for $60. I might consider it for 50 and probably would pick it up for anything less than 40.

Nintendo's getting on my nerves lately charging full price for games that they have been trying to take advantage of its loyal fans by remaking games, which obviously costs signficantly less than original games.

triforcepower73

#50

triforcepower73 said:

People are putting way too much trust in amazon. Nintendo hasn't even confirmed this price yet.

And OoT was well worth the $40. Enhanced graphics(including 3D), a master quest, a new boss challenge mode, and hints for newbies. All these enhancements on the best game ever made for and $40 is too much?

AbeVigoda

#51

AbeVigoda said:

@XD375

And if you were to go on eBay and buy a copy, you would pay $35-40 for a used one, and $200+ for a new one. Not to mention, this is a complete HD overhaul that goes beyond upping the resolution as can easy be seen from the screen shots. And there is no telling what other things will be tweaked and added.

The price is fair, and hardly 'atrocious' if you think about it like an adult.

ayanami85

#52

ayanami85 said:

ok guys, this is not just wind waker in 1080p, its a whole new experience, new graphics, improved music ( im positive about this one), improved gameplay and menu, and pacing and overall adventure improved too, miiverse and gamepad only functionality, heck they maybe throw new dungeons and quests here. This game is totally worth it at 60 bucks. For me this is like the Resident Evil remake on GC, it was full price because it was like a brand new experience, and i think this game will be the same.

AbeVigoda

#53

AbeVigoda said:

@shinpichu

So you would rather spend $50 on a used copy of the GC version, rather than spend an extra $10 and get an HD remake for the Wii-U? Are you serious?? Man, some people complain about anything!

MrWalkieTalkie

#54

MrWalkieTalkie said:

Seems like a placeholder price. Since most Wii U games cost $60 I think amazon may have just assumed seeing its a Fist-Party Wii U title.

SilentHunter382

#55

SilentHunter382 said:

I saw this happening and I am fine with that. Guys remember when you are making the comparison with other HD remakes you should remember that they aren't really true remakes. They are just the same game but just up the resolution on those games to 720p. So really they are just HD ports.

This game is having a complete graphical overhaul. This is like the same method capcom did with the Resident evil remake on the gamecube. I even heard that they are going with a more non liner method where you can go to any dungeon you want from the start (not sure if this is true or not).

Pierceton

#58

Pierceton said:

Earthbound HD remake will make me throw money at my tv, I will probably buy Wind Waker but I'm not pleased to buy it for 60 in anyway...

HawkeyeWii

#59

HawkeyeWii said:

That's way too much. At least make it the price of an original GCN game. That was $50, not so sure if I'm going to get it right away now....

elekid

#60

elekid said:

I've played WW multiple times on GC so this would need new content for me to pay full price for it. Unlike OoT, I think Wind Wakers graphics have aged well so HD isn't enough of a draw on its own

JayceJa

#61

JayceJa said:

dont wanna pay for it, dont pay for it, quit whining. but with whats being done to this game, it IS justified if they do charge regular retail price for a wii u game for it

Codyshelby

#62

Codyshelby said:

Think of it like this:

We all know Nintendo creates an amazing experience for all of us. But we also know that Nintendo would be nothing without it's fans, so they need our support. AND we all know too, that we can rely on Nintendo to release incredible games, knowing they will be good before we play them. If any company deserves our money its Nintendo. They've earned it.

So just think of it this way, you're investing on a great future in gaming that Nintendo can offer you. In this case, you're getting a great remake, but you're also supporting a great company.

Nintendo has earned my support through this metaphorical "Promise of a handshake" and I trust them to carry that promise for a long time. They haven't let me down in the past 20 years and I don't think they will any time soon.

Shworange

#63

Shworange said:

It wouldn't suprise me, but at the same token Amazon is just guessing at this point. The game is at least half a year out. This is merely a place holder.

Schprocket

#66

Schprocket said:

If you've never owned/played it then as mentioned above, it's a new game.

And how much do people think it's going to cost "just for a HD reskin".
Have a real hard think about what's actually involved to do this and what else is being thrown into the deal before deciding the RRP price-point is too high...

SteveW

#67

SteveW said:

it depends... if it's simply the same but rendered in higher resolution then it's definitely overpriced. I'm sure more work has been put into it than that.

Marakuto

#68

Marakuto said:

That's the same price that a lot of second hand versions of Wind Waker cost unfortunately.

andreoni79

#70

andreoni79 said:

@JayceJa
As customers, we have the right to complain about that...
and don't forget that in europe we pay €60 = $81 instead of €44!!!

Emaan

#71

Emaan said:

I think full price is just fine. When you consider the fact that, unlike most of the HD remakes as of late, this game is a full remaster. It's not just upped resolution and scaled for widescreen like a lot of the collections released. There's a lot of work being put into this. Then again, this is Amazon's speculation, this very much could be a little lower priced in reality. Nintendo's done it before.

In the end though, if you want it buy it, if the price is too high then don't.

Morph

#72

Morph said:

I assume this will be rrp £50 in the uk then which i think is too much, but then i think £50 is too much for any game. Ive yet to pay over 35 quid for any of my 7 wii u games so far including nintendoland and nsmb so i expect to be able to get this at a similar price. On a side note nintendo could stand to drop the rrp back to 40 quid in the uk like it was for wii, 50 is just too much

ScreamoPichu

#73

ScreamoPichu said:

I do think it should be less. But I'm still getting it day one. I even plan on this being my first retail-download game.

ToxorAxiom

#75

ToxorAxiom said:

Yet another reason why my Wii U is collecting dust while my PS3 can't get a day of rest. I just bought the Jak And Daxter trilogy-- three great games updated with HD graphics, 7.1 surround sound and trophy support. I paid $20 for the collection. See that, Nintendo?

shinpichu

#76

shinpichu said:

@AbeVigoda
Well, for one I already own Wind Waker.

But even if I didn't I'd still rather get the used version. So far as I can see, this remake is just a new paint of coat(which looks worse than the original IMO) with a few features that I would expect on a Wii U port. That ain't worth ten bucks.

Plus, if/when GC games become available on Wii U VC, those will probably be much cheaper.

AVahne

#78

AVahne said:

Wish it was $50 instead, but hey, this is a TRUE remake. The game is a completely remade game, not just an upscaled port with maybe a couple effects added that all those so-called "HD remakes" pretty much are.

shinpichu

#79

shinpichu said:

@Koto
Not sure how what Windwaker is doing is all that different from what other HD remakes are doing. Heck, I'd actually prefer if it was just an upscaled version, because the original graphics are much more aesthetically pleasing to me.

rougeflight

#80

rougeflight said:

If Nintendo were to only upgrade the visuals to HD, then a lower price would seem fairer. But if they are going to improve/add to the gameplay (with extra levels or whatever), then I would be happy with that.

AbeVigoda

#82

AbeVigoda said:

@XD375

Adults understand a concept called 'inflation'. It's where prices generally increase over time due to increased production costs, among other variables. Even though its an 'old' game, all the costs and effort put into remaking it are paid for in 'today's money, hence a price that's slightly higher than it was 10+ years ago.

Not to mention the fact the original game is nearly impossible to find in any physical store, and can only be found online for $40-50 anyway...

andreoni79

#83

andreoni79 said:

I just think that they are wasting time and resources... just give us a mere hd port of WW for 29.99 (at that price, new and old gamers will buy it) and focus in the NEW Zelda, please.

russellohh

#84

russellohh said:

$40 would have been nice, but meh. I'll pick it up on sale for $30, like I did with Skyrim, New Vegas, Mario Kart 7, etc etc.

Boo_Buster

#85

Boo_Buster said:

$39.99-$49.99 would seem more apropos to me, but the Gamecube was during the heyday of my sports life so I never had one... Meaning: I've never played this Zelda entry (one of the few I haven't played) and I'll get this even if it is $59.99.

AbeVigoda

#87

AbeVigoda said:

@shinpichu

RE4 on PS3 was identical to the GC version, except for the fact that the resolution was upped. It still looked the same, only sharper visuals.

From what we have seen of Windwaker so far, its a complete redesign of the original game, not just an HD upgrade. The art style has been improved, it's got better graphics and the producers said there will be new gameplay additions.

russellohh

#88

russellohh said:

@ToxorAxiom See what? The PS3 and Vita lacking far, far, far behind the Wii and 3DS? The 3DS outsells the Vita 22 to 1. A cheap HD remake would be nice, but meh. Zelda will outsell....whatever game you said 10 to 1, I'm sure.

AbeVigoda

#89

AbeVigoda said:

@shinpichu

PS2 games sold for $49.99 ten years ago, and now PS3, 360 and Wii-U games are $59.99.

Having said that though, I remember spending $80-100 for N64 carts., but those were more expensive to produce.

shinpichu

#90

shinpichu said:

@AbeVigoda
Subjective. The original graphics are just fine, and in my opinion look better. They have a more cartoony(not a bad thing) and timeless feel to them. The new graphics, while I'm sure are technically "better", don't look as nice to me.

So basically, assuming that there's no major changes(no new dungeons, mechanics, islands, etc.), you're asking me to pay $10 more for features I expect from a Wii U game and graphics that I consider inferior. Sorry, but no.

AVahne

#91

AVahne said:

@rougeflight
They're reworking the gameplay a bit. There's something else besides that and graphics, but I don't remember at the moment.

AVahne

#92

AVahne said:

@shinpichu
In this debate, it doesn't matter if you like the old ones better. Fact is, the graphics are completely remade; more work has been put into them, meaning more money has been put into them.

OorWullie

#93

OorWullie said:

@shinpichu Give it up will ye!You don't like the new look and even if you did you still wouldn't be prepared to pay $60 for it with the added extras we already know about.So why would you want pay what you consider too much for something you don't like look of?Easy answer,don't buy it!

Rect_Pola

#94

Rect_Pola said:

Oh for christ's sake. We're doing this again? We've been through this. "Remaking" an old game is not plugging in the old code into a reskinning program. As long as it doesn't look like Silent Hill HD, it's worth the price of admission.

LavaTwilight

#95

LavaTwilight said:

As someone living in the UK I don't know if $60 is a good price or not for any game. I'd be happy to pay full retail price for it which means I'd expect to see it at £40 in the stores over here. That I think is fair since they are putting in work to increase the graphics, controls, story / additional contect, etc. Even if it's only one or two, I'm still happy to pay it for a quality product.

defrb

#96

defrb said:

Never seen Nintendo release anything under 60Euro, i wont be suprised if they sell it for 70 euro in the Eshop. But for windwaker i can wait, im sure a year after the release the prices will drop a lot.

shinpichu

#97

shinpichu said:

@OorWullie
Or I'll buy it when the price drops(probably used). I don't care if it's not "just" a re-skin, it's still not worth full retail price. $40-50 would be more acceptable to me.

@LavaTwilight
$60 is the standard price for AAA games in the US(except on handhelds, where its usually closer to $40). Whether or not the $60 model is actually good or justified is actually a pretty heated debate. Games like this(such as the Halo Anniversary remake) usually have a lower price than other AAA games.

BATRA

#98

BATRA said:

i heard that it has new game feature its not the same game i buy the game 60.00

Lalivero

#99

Lalivero said:

@shinpichu Don't worry, I'm completely with you on the looks part. As beautiful as the Wii U version is shaping out to be, it loses out on the cartoon-y aspect it appears.

@Koto Even then, you can't argue against a remake being simpler to make than a brand new game. The completely new Zelda game in the works(from scratch and not just reworking an old game) is looking at the same price, full retail, as a remake? Even as someone who was expecting the possibility of a full retail price, I was really hoping to see it more along the line of $50 at least, including the extra features it is likely to have.

Ryno

#100

Ryno said:

Inflation since 2003 in the United States: 24.8%
$50.00 in 2003 would cost $62.39 in 2013.
Source: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Cost of doing business is way up. You want to support the industry you care about then you better be ready to financially support it.

WanderingPB

#102

WanderingPB said:

Nintendo hasn't confirmed any price yet so im hoping. I also understand this HD remake of Wind Wakers will feature HD visuals, gamepad functions and off TV play?! Most HD remakes only feature HD with minor tweaks or additions so if Nintendo charges full price i completely understand but…the gamer in me would prefer a lower price especially since i have to wait years for the next NEW Zelda game but with all said and done Nintendo usually delivers satisfaction to is fans plus they actually take our opinions to consideration!! Seriously who else does that?!

Ryno

#103

Ryno said:

@AbeVigoda: Haha!
I remember growing up back in the NES and SNES days and we gladly played $70.00 for games like Street FIghter II Turbo, Final Fantasy III, and Chrono Trigger! Gamers these days are absolutely spoiled. That want so much for so little. Is it any wonder why video games companies are struggling?

DarkLloyd

#104

DarkLloyd said:

its alright, considering some gameplay tweaks and major overhaul in the graphics making it seem like a new ish game i think that i can give up the $60 for it compared to the other HD games

beside this is an nintendo game very unlikely for it to drop in price for a few years

LittleKing

#106

LittleKing said:

WW is getting old and many people have never played it. For those people, it's a new Zelda game. It's not a worse game for being a remake. Sure, it costs less to remake an old game than to pull a brand new one out of a rabbit hat, but I'm sure plenty of people would buy it at $59.99.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to see it being priced at $49.99, however. :p

WiiLovePeace

#108

WiiLovePeace said:

Noooooooooooooooooooooo! I was hoping this was to be an eShop exclusive game thus having to release at a cheaper price than full Wii U retail... Guess I'll be getting it 2nd hand, if ever :'(

GazPlant

#109

GazPlant said:

It's a remake though, not a remaster like the cheap ones are. Important distinction which warrants the price. After all, who complained about OoT3D's price?

Blue_Yoshi

#111

Blue_Yoshi said:

Oh c'mon its a remake of a ZELDA game which in turn is a remake of a NINTENDO game! They deserve every penny we give them as there titles are magical and can't be beaten in a day like some other games. Seriously like legit no one likes a stingy person so just shut up and pay up.

SCAR392

#112

SCAR392 said:

PS3 collections with PS2 games aren't remakes. They are remastered in HD and audio. God of War Collection has the exact same graphics as the PS2 one, except in HD. Even the VC games are remastered to 480p. New graphics, sound, gameplay, Gamepad in mind, etc, all count torwards if they would have made it new.

shinpichu

#113

shinpichu said:

@Blue_Yoshi
I'm a college student living on his own. I'm unemployed, so I don't get a paycheck. The only money I get is a $50 monthly allowance from my parents. I have to spend my money very carefully. Don't complain about people being stingy - sometimes they don't have any other option.

shinpichu

#115

shinpichu said:

@Ryno_Choryzo
I have disposable income, just not much. $50 a month. I never said anything about catering to me. Just that people like Blue_Yoshi shouldn't get angry at people for wanting to save money.

ToxorAxiom

#116

ToxorAxiom said:

@russellohh Both the Zelda series and the J&D series are quality games for their respective genres, but to price $60 for a single game, already once sold for the same price 10 years ago, is ludicrous. You can't justify such a price for a repeat game in these hard economic times, even if it was Earthbound in HD. But Nintendo still charges $60 because that's exactly it: the Zelda logo is smeared on it, so they figure they can get away with charging the same full retail price for a 10-year-old game. They're the only company I know of that is doing this. (Not even the greedy Capcom charged $60 for RE4 in HD and that game is a masterpiece in its genre.) I'm not going to get down on my knees to pay almost $70 for an almost 10-year-old title just because it has the big Z on it. Oh, wait-- the sales numbers are going to show people like me how wrong they are, right? By that logic, we should all be Bieber fans. As carnival huckster P.T. Barnham once opined, "There's a sucker born every minute."

SCAR392

#117

SCAR392 said:

I don't think alot of you understand this game is costing them the same amount of money to make as a non-remake.
@ToxorAxiom
You have to be kidding about the Earthbound HD. A remake costing less than the SNES cartridge thats 18 years old is a bad deal? I'm all for cheaper games, but they are asking the right price. RE4 was never over $60.

SCAR392

#118

SCAR392 said:

@ToxorAxiom
BTW, I have no idea how Justin Beiber crossed your mind. Everyone's a sucker when they're born. They have to get nutrition somehow. OHHHHH! Haha. Just kidding. We respect you, but money wise they know what they are doing.

ToxorAxiom

#119

ToxorAxiom said:

@SCAR392 You have to remember that the reason why those cartridges cost so much is because of greed. In the last days of Earthbound being sold in retail stores, it was being rid of as low as $5.99 at Zellers, brand new. Now a complete copy finishes at auction at around $600. I'd also like to add that the Mother series in Japan is not even this expensive at used. Nevermind this supply-and-demand jargon we hear-- greed is still greed, no matter how rare. If they can release rarities on the VC like Super Mario RPG and Ogre Battle for $8 apiece, they can release these for the same fair prices. But for HD upgrades, more than $20 per game is a rip-off. Period.

seronja

#120

seronja said:

since i never played WW i'm fine with the price, and if it also comes to GC VC i would gladly buy the original version too

SCAR392

#121

SCAR392 said:

Exactly, but someone who wants to play it will be more than happy to throw down $60 over $100, and it has extra content or looks/sounds better. There's TONS of remakes being over $20, but they do put work into them. They might even release the GCN Wind Waker on VC. Probably a year later, but at least that long if at all to get sales for this one.

ToxorAxiom

#122

ToxorAxiom said:

Well, this is just my own opinion-- I'm no authority of any kind for this subject. But being a dedicated gamer on the buying end for almost 20 years does give me a bit of insight. Plus my own fanboy-ism has been rocked by many of their decisions and products in the past few years, i.e. Super Mario Anniversary set, initial 3DS pricing, and now this. I'm not going to pledge my allegiance to any company based on the past any more-- it's what they do now that matters. But is an HD remake worth $60? Not even if I was wealthy.

TheKingOfTown

#123

TheKingOfTown said:

This game really shouldn't be $60. Just think of Halo CE Anniversary. That game also redid the graphics, and added online multiplayer. That game was $40.

SCAR392

#124

SCAR392 said:

It's up to you to devide whether it's worth it to you. You may be looking to the past to decide what's good now, but lot of people(including me) look at what's going on now for now, or to see what's going to happen later.
When ot comes to being wealthy, you are right in some sense. Even rich people try to save money, but then there are those that will spend $1 million dollars on a car, because it can reach over 200mph in 6 seconds.

The highest paid politician gets paid $40,000 and hour. Does that make you angry?

eviLaTtenDant

#125

eviLaTtenDant said:

While there's a lot of potential for this remake i doubt they can add enough to make me pay full price for it.

OptometristLime

#126

OptometristLime said:

@ShinPichu - you just wasted a lot of time and energy from those people responding to you, and then concede that the only reason you care about the price is because you are on a "fixed income". And please, don't take the upper ground and associate with 'poor people' when you have chosen not to work.

Before I read this article I had made the decision whether to buy this game (yes) or not, the price is just a detail. We are all game fans here, not investors, and money spent thoughtfully on a purchase you will enjoy is always a safe bet.

timp29

#127

timp29 said:

Too bad Nintendo. Everyone knows you lower your prices after a little while.

shinpichu

#128

shinpichu said:

@thelastlemming
I'm not objecting to the price JUST because I have low income. I can afford $60 every couple months. My bit about the income was just in response to Blue Yoshi. As @ToxorAxiom said, even if income weren't an issue, I wouldn't buy this game* for $60.

*Assuming the remake is just a graphical overhaul with gamepad/miiverse functionality.

Moshugan

#129

Moshugan said:

If a Majora's Mask remake is announced for 3DS, I will most likely buy that instead. At full price I can't get them both.

jayblue

#131

jayblue said:

i wont buy inless its a decent price,i can see a lot of people waiting and getting it second hand,i can get games three for twenty pound like devil may cry hd,prince of persia 3 games in one ico pack 2 games,the list goes on but nintendo exspect use to fork out full price for an ancient game come on nintendo carrys on like this there numbers up,what happens when ps4 and new xbox comes out and there heffing old games at full price nintendo will go the way of sega,atari to name just two.

Xiao_Pai

#132

Xiao_Pai said:

1. Placeholder price
2. Even if it is real, Nintendo did say they'll be adding in new features and whatnot. (maybe the missing dungeon(s) could make a return here)
3. That said, they probably should have it like...40 or 50...I dunno.

OptometristLime

#133

OptometristLime said:

I can't help but see Nintendo's side in this, particularly with the ever looming threat of financial decline. Seeing Nintendo do well means the whole industry is healthy, but as a company they cannot survive on the good will of their fans. So irregardless of whether you as an individual are willing to buy a game at full price, Nintendo is right to target the price of the game where they can make the biggest margins.

We've all been here before, and in time prices will fall, even quickly if the $60 turns out to be a mistake. But I honestly think Nintendo would do themselves a disservice to price their first-party titles at the same level as shovel ware, and leave potential income on the table.

Neram

#134

Neram said:

They are obviously just ball-parking the price. For all they know, it's just a new game and not even a remake. New game prices are generally $60.

BlatantlyHeroic

#138

BlatantlyHeroic said:

@Mahe They're using this to shorten the wait for the next Zelda game. You're lucky they're even releasing a game before the next Zelda. Stop complaining and sip your tea.

FOREST_RANGER

#139

FOREST_RANGER said:

The thing is that the game looks to be a remake rather than a "remastered HD" game. This will cost money to develop, no matter how much one likes or dislikes how the screenshots look.

rjejr

#141

rjejr said:

If I'm Nintendo I'm charging $60 for it just like all the other Wii U games. It will sell. And if it doesn't, in 1 year slap a fancy new cover on it, sell it for $30.

Basic economics. Start high, slowly go lower.

Personally I'm not buying it until it's on sale for $20, but I don't have shareholders to keep happy.

treeofmana

#142

treeofmana said:

I maybe wrong but this doesn't appear to be a straight HD upscale. It looks like they are creating all new assets. Why wouldn't they charge full price?

treeofmana

#143

treeofmana said:

I maybe wrong but this doesn't appear to be a straight HD upscale. It looks like they are creating all new assets. Why wouldn't they charge full price?

treeofmana

#144

treeofmana said:

I maybe wrong but this doesn't appear to be a straight HD upscale. It looks like they are creating all new assets. Why wouldn't they charge full price?

turtlelink

#145

turtlelink said:

I don't mind tbh. Sure, I would have preferred it to have been lower, but hey, it is what it is.

AbeVigoda

#147

AbeVigoda said:

@treeofmana

You are right. This is similar to when Capcom remade Resident Evil for the GC and charged full price. It was an 'updated' version of an older game, much like this release will be.

AbeVigoda

#148

AbeVigoda said:

@ToxorAxiom

The reason copies of Earthbound for snes sell for a lot of money is not due to 'greed', but due to 'supply and demand'. There are a limited number of copies on sale at any one time, hence why they are bought at a premium. Is it 'greedy' to resell a 1968 Ford Mustang today at a price that's several times higher than what it originally cost?? And if someone is willing to pay a lot for it (willingly) why not sell it for as much as you can get?

shinpichu

#149

shinpichu said:

@treeofmana
As far as I can tell this game is just a port with new art assets. Which means most of the hard work involved with making a game is done. The work being done on this is not even close to the work done on a full AAA game. Maybe that's worth $60 bucks to you, but it sure isn't worth that to me.

Devil_Surivior

#151

Devil_Surivior said:

A couple of a points:
1. A lot of the other franchises being mentioned here who got HD remakes don't have the luster and the history of the Legend of Zelda.
2. People have already shown that they are willing to pay full price for HD remakes on Nintendo consoles with the OOT on 3DS in 2011, which was the best selling on the system at one point.

NintendoCat14

#152

NintendoCat14 said:

I will so get this for $60, and don't say you wouldn't. My Wind Waker GCN disc cost $30. Double the graphics (and whatever else Nintendo has planned), double the money.

darkgamer001

#153

darkgamer001 said:

People are missing the point entirely by simply stating that it's a 'reskinned' WW. And it shows that a lot of people haven't looked at even the basics of game development. The HD remake will most probably use a lot of new resources and will have taken considerable time and resources to develop by the time it is released. Taking all that into consideration, you're asking Nintendo for a reduced price, even though we all know this will still sell even if it's $60, simply because of the demand.
In the interest of fairness however, I think it can be a bit lower than normal retail games at launch, but not by much. Nintendo is a business after all

FOREST_RANGER

#154

FOREST_RANGER said:

@shinpichu I wouldn't exactly call it a port when the lighting looks redone. That either means that the original game engine is being updated with some updated assets being worked on, or they are using a new engine and importing the materials into it. Then there's the issue of quality assurance: an updated/new engine means the potential of new bugs within the game, which must be examined and worked upon.

If they are remaking it similar to how Capcom remade Resident Evil for the GameCube, then there is at the least some justification for charging more than an HD remastered version of some game.

Token_Girl

#155

Token_Girl said:

If they make significant gameplay updates like add the missing dungeons back in, I have no problem with this.

ToxorAxiom

#156

ToxorAxiom said:

@AbeVigoda "And if someone is willing to pay a lot for it (willingly) why not sell it for as much as you can get?"
Translation: "And if someone is willing to bend over for me (willingly) why not pick where ever I can stick?"

Supply and demand-- where greed never applies.

CaPPa

#157

CaPPa said:

Most of the HD re-releases on 360/PS3 are just the original game upscaled, with many only being necessary because there's a lack of backwards compatibility on those systems. Windwaker looks to be more than just one of those HD re-releases though, so it wouldn't surprise me if it cost a bit more.

I'll buy it even if it's $60 as I never got to play much of it when it first came out.

bluecat

#158

bluecat said:

I'll probably end up getting it still but now it just may not be on launch day. I also want to wait for a review because of this price.

Hamguar

#159

Hamguar said:

eh it's worth what you are willing to pay for some who deem so it will be worth the 60 bills for me, I'll get it when it hits 40 or less. Def happy we get this gem just not 60 dollars happy ^_^

Thexare

#160

Thexare said:

It probably should be cheaper, but let's be honest, I'm going to get it anyway.

grimbldoo

#161

grimbldoo said:

Amazon initially priced the Wii U games at $100. I will wait until we have official word from Nintendo.

TheSonicdude97

#162

TheSonicdude97 said:

Never played Wind Waker but I'm curious about it. I don't really like the art style of the characters in it and the DS game's looks, though (Well, Zelda looks cute like in the DS games at least). I like realistic-lookin' Link better overall.

JebbyDeringer

#163

JebbyDeringer said:

FAIL. Sorry I think I paid $10 3 years ago for the Gamecube version. This is either a pirate or wait until it is sold used and Nintendo gets none of my money purchase. I happily buy games but I NEVER pay full price. With services like STEAM on PC I can get amazing games a year or two old for $5 - $10.

Morpheel

#164

Morpheel said:

Again, It's just a placeholder price. This way then can get preorders without risking losing money themselves.

Amazon has a "lowest price" preorder policy where they will always give you your item for the lowest price possible... That means, if you preorder a game for 60 dollars and when it releases it sells for 40 then they'll only charge you 40.

If they go backwards, as in, you preorder the game for 40 and when it releases it sells for 60 dollars, they'll have to charge you the original 40 you preordered the game for. They'd be losing 20 dollars. It's the way they work.

I wouldn't take the price seriously for now. Amazon is just protecting itself.

Placlu

#166

Placlu said:

Well technically $60 is only $10 more than the PS3 HD Remakes... well Australia that is, so its going to be like $80 here. Dam region lock.
They will make it full price like Oot 3D... and well I brought that for $70... (yes 3DS games are about $10 cheaper than a new release PS3/360 title. Sad isn't it.)

Zombie_Barioth

#167

Zombie_Barioth said:

Not surprised by this at all. If it is a complete overhaul of the engine and everything then I could see why it would be a bit more than a normal HD remake.

But if not then its hard to say that its worth a full $60. The problem with Nintendo is they're pricing policy, they seem to think every game they make is and will always remain solid gold no matter how dated it becomes. They rarely even drop in price most of their older games hardly drop more than $10 even when their successors comes out.

Their games are fun and well made theres no doubt about it but does a decade old game still have enough content compared to whats being made today to be worth the same full retail price? Even current HD remakes have 2-3 games and are $40($10-$13 each), Sony's GOW Saga has 5 full games and its still cheaper.

Pikpikp

#168

Pikpikp said:

Considering the fact this is my 2nd favorite Zelda game, I'd happily pay 60$ for this.

bassem182

#169

bassem182 said:

well, a lot of people are saying lets's think of this as adults, it's a new remastered version etc. So it's worth the 60$. Think it through:

  • Why do companies charge people for games. To cover costs and make profit right? Costs go to various development departments and physical resources. In this game, various departments that are usually needed for making a game are not required such as character design, story, dialogue, gameplay etc. Assuming they're doing the environment and music and everything from scratch that's still not involving as much development as any new game where they have to imagine Link, Zelda etc. from scratch. So it's not worth full price, no!
    Also, people saying Nintendo haven't let us down for 20 years and wont anytime soon, that's destructive thinking, Nintendo innovates and have always innovated to keep itself apart and above competition, the more gamers blindly buy Nintendo stuff despite bad games/hardware, the worse it will become, it's the duty of the gamers to support only when its worth supporting and basically vote for what is good and what is not. I also so far have had little reason to complain regarding Nintendo and am buying this game maybe when the price drop as i never played it, but blind fanboyism is not a good reason to just worship and say it is a good move regardless.
Ryo_Hazuki-san

#173

Ryo_Hazuki-san said:

playing this game 5 times in the past 60$ for a remake with upgraded visuals and on a wii u and gamepad support!!! i am on board ! can not wait

ToxorAxiom

#174

ToxorAxiom said:

@AbeVigoda Asking anything more than the original retail price-- even counting inflation in to the equation-- is greedy. Period. End of discussion.

gohanrage

#175

gohanrage said:

Why does the Release date say Dec 31, 2013 I thought this would be released pretty quick to hold us off until the New Unique Legend of Zelda is Released for Wii U

pntjr

#176

pntjr said:

chuckle huckle chuck I love how Nintendo thinks I'm gonna buy it... SCREW IT I CAN GET THE SAME GAME FOR $10 ON EBAY!

Arfy

#177

Arfy said:

I think 60 dollars is fine for a complete remake of an old game, if this were an upscaled port like the HD collections on the PS3 then 60 would definitely be a bit much, but this isn't a port.
@ToxorAxiom
The J&D HD collection was an upscale to fit HD resolutions, nothing new was added to the games. They just look nicer on newer TVs.
@shinpichu
It's not a port, they're remaking the game from the ground up on an updated engine.
@pntjr
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=4&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_from=R40&_nkw=Wind+Waker&_sop=15 you sure about that bub?

FOREST_RANGER

#178

FOREST_RANGER said:

Would just like to say: for those who aren't doing it, it might be beneficial if the unhappy users at least consider that there might be at least a tiny bit of rationale in pricing a remake (not remaster or a straight port) higher than $20. If not, then it might be harder to be content with life.

I actually think $60 is a lot for a re-release of a game, but I also think it's ridiculous to price it very low if some work is being put into it. Whatever the case may be, an Amazon holder price doesn't sound like the best indication of the final MSRP.

RC140

#179

RC140 said:

I will not buy this game...however, if it were majora's mask or ocarina of time on wii u......SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!

Henmii

#180

Henmii said:

Cool! Nintendo has only shown a few screenshots and Amazon already knows when it will be sold and how much it will be. Aren't they wonderfull?! Sarcasm!

allav866

#181

allav866 said:

OoT3D was $40, and I didn't mind paying for that. In fact, I bought it before I even had a 3DS. I might just preorder this before I buy a Wii U.

Zeldafan12

#182

Zeldafan12 said:

Think about it.... is 60$ really that much money? you could earn that much money in a week! not like paying 350 for wii u. not hard people

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