The silly season of rumours has been underway for a while now with the Nintendo NX, and some have recently focused on how the system will be revealed. It's a welcome change of pace from figuring out what the system is, admittedly, and it's raised an interesting question - how should Nintendo unveil the NX?
Prompting this train of thought are loose rumours that have circulated around supposed leaks regarding Nintendo's plans to unveil it. In truth we've not been confident enough in the sources in question to report them ourselves, and some of the rumoured approaches don't seem feasible. Some chatter has been around an imminent and sudden unveiling with no real build-up, catching everyone off guard; it's possible, sure, but seems like a longshot.
Well, let's consider some key ideas for how Nintendo could unveil NX, assuming the target is to do so later this month or in early October.
A Major Press Event / Conference, Streamed Online
This is the conventional way to do things. Console manufacturers (Nintendo and its rivals) have often - depending on timing - used both E3 and then a separate event to unveil different aspects of systems. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury this time having avoided the topic at E3, but the format of a live press event / conference is well known to long-term gaming enthusiasts.
Typically a handsome host city is chosen, perhaps somewhere like New York or Los Angeles, and mainstream press big-hitters like TIME magazine et al are invited along with some fans to do plenty of cheering. Also streamed online for fans, it takes the form of a presentation with flashy videos, sizzle reels, devs on stage saying how amazing the system is, and executives (such as Reggie Fils-Aime and Shigeru Miyamoto, perhaps) declaring it to be the future of gaming. The venue can be a stylish medium-sized location, or alternatively the big N could go big with a sizeable theatre; big screen demonstrations and a whooping crowd would add to the positive vibes for those watching online.
It would seem sensible for a major reveal event like this to be in the US, in order to have the greatest impact online and with global media.
Pros: A key part of this approach is getting press coverage from the broader media. Assuming Nintendo wants NX to be a major success with a wide audience, it'll need as many non-gaming publications and viewers producing coverage / tweets as possible. The online stream naturally has the benefit of getting fans at home excited, as events like this generate a huge amount of interest on social media. The bigger the event and the more hype applied, the better.
Cons: These events can be drier than the Saharan desert when handled poorly, and Nintendo is well out of practice having ditched live press conferences at E3 over the last few years. The script and reveals are everything in this format, along with slick production and a confident overall level of presentation. To see how it's not done, remember Microsoft's obsession with TV apps and content in its big Xbox One pre-launch event, annoying a lot of watching gamers in the process. Sony, for its part, goes on far too long on some occasions, so nailing the flow of these events is certainly a challenge.
A Nintendo NX Direct
Among dedicated Nintendo fans there are few occasions as hype-building as a Direct broadcast. Typically (but not always) announced just a few days before broadcast, they offer anything from 20-40 minutes of reveals and excitement. There is little doubt that dedicated fans would be fully engaged and enthused by an NX Direct.
The Direct format, naturally, allows for a fully scripted and professional presentation. Though streamed live online, Nintendo would have little pressure when it's broadcast, simply lining up its accompanying trailers and press releases to follow shortly after it's aired. This option also allows regional variations in Japan, Europe and North American to run concurrently with no issues.
Pros: Keen Nintendo fans would be all over this, naturally, and it can be argued that the mainstream press would follow and report on the reveal regardless; after all, a new system from Nintendo is big news in the entertainment industry. The Direct format would ensure a highly polished presentation, and a strong chance of delivering the right messaging and pitch to viewers.
Cons: There could be the perception that it'd be a 'small time' reveal, if the press event / conference 'game' isn't played for the mainstream press and less dedicated followers of the company. Though a Direct is arguably more efficient and slick than the first option above, it arguably wouldn't carry the same perception as a grand occasion.
Go Viral With a Sudden Reveal
Marketing has changed a lot in recent times, and the exposure and power of essentially going 'viral' is intoxicating for any corporation managing big brands. The explosion of Pokémon GO is testament to this, with a fairly modest pre-launch marketing campaign becoming almost irrelevant once the app had started trending and spreading like wildfire on the internet.
It wouldn't be the first time Nintendo dropped a system reveal in unexpectedly, as the New Nintendo 3DS initially appeared out of nowhere as part of what we thought would be a game-focused Japanese Nintendo Direct. For some, the view is that Nintendo should simply release a range of enticing co-ordinated posts and trailers on social media (plugging hashtags, of course) and let the online world create the story.
Pros: If the approach works the benefits can be incredible, with the web abuzz with chatter and word of mouth boosting awareness to an extraordinary degree. It would be the easy logistical option for Nintendo too, simply preparing the announcement posts and dropping them online.
Cons: There are quite a few negatives. Going viral is not a science, for one thing; it's unpredictable, and is an extraordinarily risky strategy. It also means little control over the message; that alone makes it an extremely long shot as Nintendo would be unlikely to welcome those sorts of risks. There are good reasons why systems aren't announced with sudden and unexpected social media posts.
Ignore All That and Just Send Out a Press Release
We won't even bother breaking this one down as it's such a bad idea, but it's not completely inconceivable. We'll never forget when Nintendo casually sent out a press release with a few images and a trailer for the Nintendo 2DS. It was a case of "hey, listen, new console variation, share with your readers if you feel like it..." This is like the viral option but without the neo-marketing savvy.
Not the way to reveal NX, so let's assume it won't happen. Surely not...
Putting personal taste aside, this writer hopes to see the first option. Much of the modern consumer world is all about perception, and the image of being at the cutting edge of the news and social media cycle. Nintendo would benefit from making a splash with NX, and a major live conference would give the concept and system the best possible chance of reaching a lot of people. Nintendo needs to keep dedicated fans on board, naturally, but as the Wii U has demonstrated the enthusiast crowd isn't big enough on its own - the broader gaming public needs to hear about and be excited by the NX.
Which approach would you like to see for the big NX reveal? Let us know in the poll and comments.
Here's hoping that the method of the unveiling won't be a mystery for much longer.
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...I miss Nintendo conferences at E3...obviously we can't have an NX reveal at next E3...since it'll be out already. But...I still miss it...(they could always delay the system, lol)
How about anything at this point! Seriously this is at least 3 months overdue and gets worse with each passing day. Hasn't the company said numerous times that they have learned from past mistakes??!!
An unexpected celebrity endorsement might work in their favour, too. Like advertising the console on TV and at the beginning of various streaming videos online (YouTube, Netflix etc.).
I'm not as worried about the format of the initial reveal, but how they handle talking about it, marketing it, and supporting it afterwards. They are giving themselves a short window to build up excitement with a major holiday season in between then and now.
Depending on the games being offered at launch, I'd say either the Press Conference or Direct options would work. If it's launching with anything Pokémon, it'd be best to go big. If the big stars are, like, Zelda and Pilotwings, then maybe a Direct would ensure that at least fans will be excited.
I generally think bigger is better for console launches, but the gaming press is so lukewarm to Nintendo (to the point where some magazines don't even mention them anymore) that I can't see it catching unless there's Pokémon or some equivalent (MAYBE a new Mario, but it'd have to be game-changer new, not "New" the way they've been using it lately).
I can see Nintendo having a Direct for the announcement, with the announcement that they will show off the system at the next event Nintendo is going to. Really, the system should be unveiled live at an event, though. There's a tactile element to new hardware that needs to be seen live or in person. But, this is Nintendo. They do things their own way. Like @Spoony_Tech says, just say something, anything!
I say go all-in. Direct, press release, tv/magazine...anything to build brand awareness. Hoping Nintendo can save video games again, crappy cell phone games seem to be taking over!
Show it. But seriously, avoid all the mistakes they made with Wii U. And have a killer lineup of games to show.
Why not both, a press conference AND a Direct. They could call it Nintendo Direct Live! 😜
At the end of the day it'll be about the games. Why would it be revealed before Christmas? They waited this long. They definitely don't want to interfere with any Christmas sale figures on Wii u and 3ds.
I don't care how, JUST SHOW US ALREADY!
Revealing new console is highly important step for Nintendo so I guess it`s either press event or Direct. It goes viral in one way or another.
Don't put Large NINTENDO NX banner on the front page like that.
You make people gasp for breath and search frantically for the cursor causing severe eye strain before the mind has time to read the headline.
They could at least tell us the official reveal date now.
I dunno, just ******* reveal it already! lol
@Spoony_Tech Like Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo were arrogant after the Wii success, they thought that simply naming the new console the Wii U would help them drive sales but nope people aren't buying it anymore. A lot of the Wii's consumers jump shift to mobile or those other consoles. The Wii U is slightly powerful than a PS3 and Xbox 360 and at times worst than those. First mistake, Nintendo did not learn from the mistake of the PS3 and Xbox 360 and decided to launch the Wii U with two models. Their second mistake was selling it at a loss and finally the nail to the Wii U's coffin is when Nintendo themselves doesn't know how to take advantage of their own controller for their console, them not knowing what to do with their own product makes third party dev even more confuse thus causing the drop of third party support for the system.
To this day the Wii U Game Pad is the only controller not sold separately with hardly any game ever fully use that controller to its limit. Games like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, The World Ends Wii U, and Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures were never considered for a Wii U revision despite the fact that those games would had been perfect in taking advantage of the Wii U's two screens style of gameplay. As for the NX, let's just hope it show itself sooner. Even if it's launching next year, if it doesn't show itself this year I don't see how anyone is going to be interest in that thing. For all we know some of us already had other consoles like the Xbox One Scorpio and the PS4K to look forward to as well.
I'm going with the sudden reveal and go viral option
There are a few things I need to say about the NX reveal. First off, IF the NX doesn't come out in March, then they could have a direct first, then later, have a live presentation maybe E3 2017. Here's the next thing I wanna say, if the NX is coming out in March, it's being revealed this month, no later than this month. Here's the last thing I wanna say, I kinda prefer a Nintendo Direct instead of a press conference.
I think Nintendo have to produce a Nintendo Direct style video between 45 minutes to an hour showing the features of the system, all the specs and (this being the most important part that has to be stacked) a sizzle real of launch and first year games. But they have to send out a press release to all the big press agencies two weeks before, perhaps announced around TGS and to be shown in early October.
I think Nintendo should just do everything , only a small amount of people are gonna watch their NX direct and Press Event would promote big time and they can suddenly reveal more big info..
Go big or go home, that's what they say.
The Wii U never had a big reveal...at least, I don't remember seeing or even hearing about one and I bought one within 6 months of release. Nintendo seems to be going in another direction this time since the Wii U has been an underperformer. They want to let the hype build as much as possible to guarantee the NX stays on the radar.
I voted for go viral, but I think it should be in conjunction with a Direct
When you give people a chance to think about it, they'll always want to have information disseminated in a clear, easy-to-understand, predictable way.
But what people REALLY like is to be surprised by something good. Shock and awe, in a good way. No carefully executed press conference could compare to the market value of a viral campaign done right.
A Nintendo Direct w/ a private press event as well is the correct answer. They need to control their messaging this time around - a pre-recorded video is the way to do that.
Only dedicated Nintendo fans will watch the reveal, regardless of whether it's a press conference or a Direct. It'll still be far reaching, as we live in the days of the internet and social media.
The mainstream media will still pick up on it, as it's a freaking hardware reveal.
There's literally no reason to do a press conference.
Online direct. Sooner than later!
They need time to hype up the reveal, so I'd say that they should give at least a week's notice before a press conference. A Direct might work, but press releases would be better for generating hype.
I don't get how a sudden reveal makes it go viral. Sure people would be talking about it, but people will be talking about it regardless.
I think they should reveal the system before the world ends. It doesn't seem likely, but I think that would be the best case scenario.
To me, it has to be a big press reveal. Everyone needs to know that nintendo is announcing a new console, and they need to show it in all its glory to the world, along with EVERYTHING that it has to offer. This is a big deal. A nintendo direct is only going to be watched by nintendo fans, and as we can tell from the Wii U, just dedicated nintendo fans isn't enough, it needs to offer more. I'm not saying appeal to the casual market or anything, but nintendo fans can't be the only audience, and if they announce it by a direct, then they will be
I'd go with the 1st 2.
Do a big flashy presentation to get the hype train chugging along, give the media a taste of what it is and increase its footprint.
Shortly after, a full fledged Nintendo direct that just shows all the cool gimmicks and games that will get the blood pumping for all us non big media types.
@Spoony_Tech
Nah, 6 months is plenty of time to advertise a console. The Xbox One was revealed only 6 months before release after all.
They should do a major press event, followed by a Nintendo direct not long after (giving more intricate details about the system, starting game line up, etc.).
I think they should do a Press Conference, with a Direct as part of it or right after it. And if things go well, it WILL go viral on the internet too.
@IceClimbers And yet that was the worst possible reveal of all time lol. They lost so many customers to Sony it wasn't even funny!
I'd say a Direct with an announcement of where people can play the system for the first time ever, whether it it be a Convention or do what they did with the Wii by touring shopping malls and such.
Just feel we as gamers will get the details we're looking for (Specs, Virtual Console, Backwards Compatibility, etc.) in a 30 min Direct then a conference that'll just give the press the stuff they want for their articles.
The biggest drawback of a Direct is a lack of live demonstration. If Nintendo is going to have a gimmick, they need to demonstrate it in a way that can't be tinkered with in editing.
Personally, I'd love to see Tatsumi Kimishima show his face. Let him introduce himself to the world and give him the opportunity to speak on what the NX means for Nintendo's future...
It should do 2 or all 3 of those. I don't see why Nintendo should limit themselves with building hype with the console. They've already left us scrambling at any rumor like it was water. So now is the time to release a typhoon.
Again too few choices. I'll accept the whole menu. Drop some virals the day before or two days before, then announce a Direct for the current fans/owners and combine that with a presentation at some convention center to cater to the media and the press. Big, bigger, biggest...
Nintendo should put every effort into the project and go all out with their marketing campaign. To such an extent that even people outside their fanbase will once again be interested in buying their hardware.
If they achieve this, then the NX will be another success for them.
@LegendOfPokemon Exactly what I was going to say. Just show the damn thing and explain how it works in a clear, concise manner.
One word to define all this talk, rumours and no reveal yet:
aNXiety!
If I knew the right strategy, I'd open my own ad agency.
Honestly I think we should all just drop discussing the system. Nintendo has been riding the rumor waves and the fan base speculation roller coaster for far too long. Drop every discussion about it; stop writing articles about it; don't feed the rumor mills or people like Emily Rogers who get their thrills from having the 'inside scoop'. Just bide your time and don't care and let Nintendo experience the fan drought for once until they finally do their own talking. Then let them say their peace.
@Zach777 That makes too much sense.
@Zach777
never going to happen.
The less time between reveal and release the less time for the online crowd to destroy it before it even starts. I doubt Nintendo is going super powerful and that is the only thing that would make the casual hater step back and applaud. Nintendo doesn't need to build up hype cause the internet is doing it for them right now without a reveal to be torn apart and over analyzed by the masses. And the people buying it at launch are already saving toward it I'm sure.
The longer they wait the more knowledge they will have about timelines for game releases as well and ultimately that is what will sell it. At the reveal, if they show a ton of games, some release dates, some release windows and all coming first 2 years of consoles life....that is how they will have a successful system.
Do a direct say in October giving it a name and tease what it is and what games will be available in March. At end of the direct, give a date of a full blown conference in January of all "NX" details with a couple blurry videos of the system and say Mario 3D and Pokémon games?.....assuming there is a Pokémon game. By the time January comes the gaming community will be super hyped and there probably won't be time for the negative backlash to overtake the system before release.
They should enter the NX as a third party candidate in the 2016 US election.
When it wins by a landslide, it can be revealed from the whitehouse to an audience of billions.
Just a Direct is fine. Or whatever else.
They need to go all out on this!
@Dezzy OMG!! Yes. Best thing to happen to American politics in a long time.
They better hurry up and show it already because tons of money will be spent by gamers reserving Ps4 neo. Now's the time. GameStop and Best Buy are anticipating major Preorders following Ps4 neo reveal Sept 7. Hurry up Nintendo.
I've had a 3DS and Wii U since launch, but I only ever watched Nintendo Direct once. It was the one that was mainly about Hyrule Warriors. I've tried many other times, but I had trouble understanding Iwata, and all the native-English speakers talked down to the viewer like a child. I chose the first option here, but I think it's pointless to do a reveal this year. Besides, I'm still more than happy with my current Nintendo systems, with way more games than I have time to play.
I miss Iwata-San.....
Nintendo space world?
....Maybe they could get Rik Mayall to announce the Nx?
@Spoony_Tech have they done this before? From what I understand in the past they showed off hardware before it was ready and it had a negative impact. See ultra 64, game cube, and the wiiu for more info.
A live event, where they pretend to play the games, incase of technical hiccups.
A full direct dedicated to revealing it, and do it soon because people are getting frustrated and impatient as of late.
Some of my friends where waiting for the systems reveal before deciding whether they should go back to Nintendo or buy a xbox one or ps4, and since xbox one s was revealed the original xbox one is now cheaper than the Wii U, so a lot of them bought a xbox one, and they don't ever but more than one console a generation. Nintendo needs to show it off immediately.
Anybody expecting it to launch in March is beyond crazy. It won't happen
I say a mixture of all 3 options. The viral component could start with some mysterious countdown sites and other things that get chatter going. Then reveal the countdown is for a direct to give some basic details AND to announce that tickets are being emailed to Nintendo fans everywhere to attend a huge press reveal just a few weeks later.
@Spoony_Tech That's true, but that was for other reasons lol. They'd have been just fine had they not botched everything else!
Anytime now.
I think Nintendo will advertise on all fronts. Online, in stores, etcetera. Especially in stores like Toys R Us (that's one of Nintendo's biggest advertising stores). They're not going to rely on word of mouth alone. It's mostly about how confident Nintendo is, and this time around, they seem to be very confident.
We'll see...
I think they should do a mix of those strategies.
First of all, a Nintendo Direct should be a must, we need magnificent beards, puppets, non-specific action figures, and Bill Trinen eating donuts, BUT, this should be showcased during a live event. Instead of having the usual live press conference, have the audience watch the Direct in a huge screen (Maybe with Reggie live with some opening and closing lines), this way everyone will be seeing the exact same thing at the exact same time with great production value, so, What’s the point of having a live event then? Simple, after the NDirect ends, people at the show could simply stand up and get ready to play what they just saw in the screen.
If NX has some sort of gimmick that needs to be played to understand, the Direct should close with “You’ll be able to try the console during this time at this locations”, with regular events here and there for people to try NX.
A Treehouse after the Direct could explain games and features even further to get the message right this time.
@Kirk "I dunno, just ******* reveal it already! lol"
Ah, but you and the evil overlord are having so much fun.
Do it big Nintendo to mark history!!!
I went with "Direct". Given the system is supposed to be released before E3, an event is kind of out of the question to me. [Insert Whatsapp-esque quizzed expression here.] Either that or a viral launch, which would also kind of work to me. Who knows?
They NEED something huge that grabs global attention.
Not a fan only direct that will filter through media channels over a week or two, if hardly.
Not an online only stream from a specialist media show.
Viral has potential to be huge, but is very risky.
If anything they could do with doing all four options and make they shout from every soap box possible "here is the NX and here is a clear idea of what it does"
Lol I've been thinking about this for days and days! It's great that you made an article and poll about this! Yeah... I really want a conference, that would be the best option!
Losing all interest in Nintendo and the next console!! Said it before after screwing up the Wii U with all they did for it, lack of games, failure to advertise, raping my cat, failure to lure 3rd parties, infuriatingly not putting GameCube games on the eshop. Obviously I will watch/read/looking at what ever they do with NX but they need to wow me to get me to spend my money on it. And I have money to spend
They need to have a major, major press conference - and a followup Nintendo Direct certainly wouldn't hurt to go into further detail just for die hard Nintendo fans to answer a bunch of detail oriented questions that a big show may not address. This needs to be a major address.
I would also skip a lot of the humor that we have seen in many of the more recent Directs and Digital Events. I love Nintendo's humor, but this needs to be treated like a serious event so it won't be viewed as a joke. Maybe save the humor for a followup Direct, but the initial announcement, I feel, should be taken and treated like the serious event that it is.
It all depends on the system.
If it's a handheld, Nintendo should do a large press event. They need to capture the attention of 3DS owners as, let's be honest, outside of fans they are Nintendo's only market.
If it's a console... then I'm not sure. Nintendo could go with a press event and try to make waves. Unfortunately for them, the crowd that it seems they're trying to capture (via social media etc) has moved on and would just think "Huh, cool, a new Wii.". Doing a large press event could either be a fantastic idea... or a horrible mistake. For consoles, Nintendo's only current market is die-hard fans. I've got multiple friends who bought Wii Us around launch only to play them once or twice for Nintendo Land (ironically mirroring the Wii and Wii Sports).
If Nintendo is targeting casuals, and it's a console... well good luck to them. A safer bet would be that Nintendo aims for their hardcore players, in which case a "Nintendo NX Direct" is totally fine. Certain game announcements make it seem like the NX is a console... but all leaks point towards a handheld.
TL;DR:
Handheld+Casuals=Event/Viral
Handheld+Hardcore=Direct
Console+Casuals= ...?
Console+Hardcore=Direct
@Manjushri Is it here?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FEeECj8DqA
@Spoony_Tech Saying is one thing, demonstrating is another. Nintendo has demonstrated that they haven't learned from their mistakes this gen, and if they don't wise up soon, the NX will crash and burn just like the U did.
They've been all about the Directs in recent times. I think it's safe to say they'll be going with that.
NX Direct seems like it would be the best/ safest/ most effective to me... but i really don't care how they do it. just tell me what the damn thing is already.
You have the word 'major' in the first choice so naturally your community has gravitated towards this selection.
Either way, Nintendo will reveal the console in the worst way possible to the least amount of fan fare. This isn't the 90s.
@Martendo: So you would have them reveal it less than 3 months before launch at the earliest?
@rjejr Or are we. . . .
I have heard a rumor of a surprise direct tomorrow
I don't see them sticking to a March release so I'm thinking they will hold out til E3.
What would be awesome is if they start as if it's a direct but then the White walls come down and it's the E3 show floor full of NX and NX games being played with reggie walking the floor and showing them off!
I think Reggie should turn up outside Sony headquarters with a megaphone in one hand and an NX in the other.
Uncertainty is no way to bring Nintendo’s existing fanbase onboard. The longer Nintendo waits to reveal anything, the fewer fans they will have left to care.
See alse: Sega Dreamcast
They are going to do a NX direct like three months before it comes out. They are going to wait after Xmas.for maximum Pokemon Sun/Moon 3DS sales.
I can't help but think of Twilight Princess' first reveal when I glance at the first option, so "A Major Press Event / Conference, Streamed Online" it is (if handled correctly, of course).
I'd love them to open with a bang, such as a new 3D Mario, Metroid, F-Zero etc. We need Miyamoto with props to make it complete.
I think they should take the direct approach.
Most folks just want the design, price, release date, and launch lineup. All the PR and investor appeasing talk would only muddle down the excitement (if this IS something worth getting excited for).
So I think a Direct would be the best, most entertaining approach for the masses, supplemented by a press conference [and floor demo] for the journalists and investors.
Going viral is going to be a given; this is Nintendo announcing a new system after all. The question is, will the chatter be positive or negative immediately following the reveal?
It has to be a press event live streamed where guests can play on it. Remember the 3DS reveal where they got all the journalists to play on it there and then? It needs that approach.
My own personal opinion would be a magazine reveal like the old days, maybe in EDGE.
@DTFaux - You are correct, will the chatter be positive or negative immediately following the reveal?
This is why it is so important for the NX to be backwards compatible with the 3DS. Ninty can sure up the Pokemon crowd with one swoop and it is a home console too. They need to keep the name NX. ( Nintendo Xtreme) They cannot make the same mistake with a small line up. What did they do for the Wii? They came out with a Zelda at launch (check) , but what else did they do?
@Alexkidd1985 Hopefully the NX will leave your poor cat alone and get you back on board.Maybe Miracle World 2 at launch will help?
@faint I'm more or less talking about listening to their fan base. They can't tell me they have noting to reveal. They have to be near games being completed. System specs, options, design is all finalized by now so what are they waiting for. They can at the very least give us a date to talk about it and that would at least shut up half of us.
My only fear is they're awaiting another lukewarm reception and that's why they're holding this off as long as they can. That and they don't want to screw up Holiday sales any further.
@Folkloner
What are you on about. It's not what I would do. I'm just putting a thought out there. Is there any actual proof NX is getting revealed in the next month or so?
The way I see it Nintendo are keeping the console under wraps from the competition and they will not want to interfere with Wii u and 3ds sales coming up to Christmas.
What's the difference between a reveal 6 months before release and 3 months? Not a lot from what I can see.
A Nintendo NX Direct could be all the options you've provided. It would be streamed online, could have a small audience of journalists (like the E3 treehouse) and it will go viral. Nintendo Directs often top the trending charts of social media and revealing NX in one would guarantee that.
I'm thinking unveiling through Direct, followed by a Treehouse press event where they show off the games and some console features. Kind of like a Nintendo-centric E3.
They need the support of developers so whatever they do it needs to be a tandem action with developers. I think they should send launch developers out to do tours with the product. Give away a few for free at impromptu NX parties, maybe do it at popular pokestops, and let people develop their own personal opinions about the product then share their excitement online. Nintendo and the developers need to have an organic hype train that skips the publications and starts with the public.
Or if they announce an exclusive monster hunter and pokemon crossover game with features than only work on NX...
@Manjushri it was the ds not game cube. They had them strapped to their waists like demo stations.
@Wolfgabe May I have a link?
You know, I go in and out of hypeness when it comes to the NX .I want it to be the best and most exciting console ever. Then I get caught up in the rumors and want them to stop. When is this Blank n ... thing coming out already. It is making me a little Bi-polar.
why not just send three pictures to some major news outlet?
I think an NDirect with multiple folks like Nvidia and different 3rd-party devs showing off either the tech or the games, would be great.
It could still go viral and it'll definitely get lots of play online if they drop in things like the Star Fox muppets.
I can see it now: The Direct goes live the day before Zelda Breath of the Wild releases, announces NX, details, snazzy 3D showreel, hands-on videos, corny jokes and typical Nintendo antics, then the game announcements, Metroid, Star Fox, Pokemon, Zelda, Pikmin, Smash, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Splatoon and I can't even be bothered listing 3rd parties all being developed and soon to be released for the system over the next two to six months.
At the end "Out tomorrow alongside The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild along with a special edition Breath of the Wild NX console at a price of just $349. Also play The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild on the new Nintendo NX console at these select retailers starting next week. lists some retailers"
I'd eat my fist.
@Martendo
That's a bad idea.
We want as few people to buy Wii Us and 3DSs as possible since NX is releasing so soon after Christmas.
Think about it, if many people buy Wii Us now, and then find out that the next console is out in March and that they just bought a dead system, they will feel cheated and hate Nintendo for it, even though it's their own bad timing that has placed them in such a predicament.
All the more reason to reveal it A. S. A. P, so as few ignorant people as possible will be left with bad tastes in their mouths, and jump on the NX at launch because they saw the reveal, and didn't buy a Wii U, so they are on a game drought, which NX will remedy.
On the same token, all collectors and game preservers and whatevers should all buy as many Wii Us as possible, because they are still manufactured today, and a year from now, they will be out of production.
Preservation is important, and DAMN this post is long and confusing. I apologize to any who don't understand.
A press-packed theater lit in the corporate color scheme is NOT the way to go.
The NX (safely assumed) is not just a GPU in a box with a pair of sticks like Sony or Microsoft, so the reveal also shouldn't look like a setting that a Microsoft or Sony executive could naturally walk into with their console, devs and trailers.
Iwata set the tone. Nintendo is a different company despite what was done in the past.
The olympics closer with Mario and PM Abe was brilliant and nobody could blame Nintendo for doing something similar with their hardware with a 'From Tokyo to the World (as represented by a major US city)' type theme. Record some fun footage in Japan about the new system and "pipe" it over to a live event and coming out party in the US.
I think Nintendo will do something different to what Sony and MS do. They want something they can re-use and put in the direction of other demographics after the reveal pomp and circumstance
They should send the prototype to me and delay release for any improvement suggestions I might have.
They should just put a load of demo units in all over the place without any announcement other than that they can be found using Pokémon Go.
I would say that what ever they choose to do with a live presentation, they really should have it playable.
One way could be to:
-first have a live stream with a live introduction from a place they are holding live demonstrations
-then go into a controlled Direct presentation which shows the machine clearly and show it off with a game example
-follow up with a sizzle reel
-have games playable for the invited press members and select youtubers
-maybe include some professional reactions and endorsements on the live stream
-end with a showing of the Breath of the Wild for NX
-lift the media embargo and allow the press and youtubers to post their reactions and reviews right after the show
@gcunit That might get me to dl Pokemon Go but 5 minutes later every location will be on the internet and sadly none will be 200 miles from me like 99% of things they do.
Definitely a major press event. They should've done it on Sep 1st. It needs to be this week at the latest.
I voted sudden reveal on the net. What's the difference if they hold a big media press conference or not. 99.9% of earth will see it for the first time on the Internet anyways. Save the resources and just surprise us with it. As long as they don't pull a sega Saturn and wait till release day to finally unveil it, lol. I know that really wasn't the case.
This late in the game,assuming it's still a March release, anything will do. Nintendo is being way too guarded. This day
and age all you need is a big splash. Social media takes care of the rest. The thing is at this point in time no one really cares much for Nintendo other than us the faithful customer base. If their announcement doesn't go viral and gets the whole world excited they will have another rough launch.
Id like to see a combination of a traditional press event but combined with an instant availability like Apple does
@The_Dude_Abides
Yup scrap something that's costed them a crap ton of money in order to produce games to an audience that has a history of disliking their so called "kiddie" games. Not to mention that would be a big risk and probably quite pricey as well. Your logic is totally sound. I'm not saying the nx won't flop, who knows. But go third party specially now? That's quite foolish.
@starcatcher77 http://playeressence.com/nintendo-nx-rumor-surprise-direct-september-6th/
Well, a sudden reveal wouldn't work well at this point because everyone is expecting... something... from Nintendo by now. However, there are other ways. How about clever teasers suddenly showing up in all manner of media- websites of course, radio, tv, newspapers, anything that doesn't require too large of a lead time. Have different ones going, maybe like a puzzle, for a week or two, and only then the big reveal however it goes down (just make sure it's BIG).
I really don't think Nintendo knows how to get the message across.
@Timppis Um, don't you know the NX isn't the official name? If the NX is revealed the banner of this article would be showing the real name....lol...
@JubilifeRival True but if they announced a direct we wouldn't know the name till that happens. Till then all we have is NX.
Airplane banner... Is there any other way?
Right now, I think they're doing a great job at getting people hyped for the system (without even showing a glimpse of it or games for it). There is so much hype around the internet (even if they're falsified) and it keeps peoples attention onto nintendo. If they are wanting a wider audience, they need to showcase more than just the kid-friendly games and also show games that are not just ports from the PS4 and XBONE...they need to show that they want a wider audience. They also need to get rid of the gimmicks and definitely not call it a WII.
Other than that, a big press conference, followed by a nintendo direct (to showcase more games) and publicity on the internet (granted that the nintendo haters will be eating it up) is the best way to go...and then the commercials. Being as the system is coming out in March, October and November are the perfect times to start showing it off...keeping the kids to continue to ask for it around the holidays and also to help people (like myself) save up for it after the holidays (granted that income tax returns will be pouring in around that time). It would also be good to start to have a demo station in stores (even if the system is not out at the time of doing so) just to give people a chance to play and see what it can do. I THINK with most of this, people will understand that nintendo means business and that nintendo is here to stay in the console wars...I'm actually really excited to see the reveal, and I haven't been this excited for a nintendo console since the Gamecube (Yes, I was one of the ones who love and still love the Gamecube).
Nintendo Direct for NX shown at a press conference, then a hands on session for the press people there.
Slick Direct presentation, crowd reaction, hands-on/interview articles later. Something for everyone.
In 2004, announcing the Nintendo DS. Satura Iwata talked about working on a new system, a revolution in gaming ... it was launched late 2006.
The NX seems different in it´s approach. We might be getting a nearly indestructible 6" 720p tablet with gaming controls and which will work great for gaming. In fact people might still be buying 3DS´s after the announcement. On the other hand, they´ve seen the self-generated hype of the internet, and just not seen the need to tease or make any claims at all.
Whether they are out of practice or not, Nintendo simply MUST do a press conference reveal of the NX or I am 99% certain that they will be a public laughing stock. A console reveal cant be controlled by a direct or an online reveal. It needs a stage so that it can gather hype. Without the stage the reaction will be warm from Nintendo fans but a shear disgrace to everyone else.
Nintendo need to be more aggresive when introducing about NX.
Use Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, any kind of social media.
Or Nintendo can co-operate with for example Mc Donald, Sanrio, Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, any kind of Family oriented or General franchise to promote about NX and the games that will be released. In other words, introduce NX like crazy, like Squaresoft when they introduced about FF VIII so most people even Non RPG gamer recognized that game and some of them suddenly fallen in love with that game.
@Marshi they have experienced disgrace from press events. I think that's one of the reasons they stopped doing them at e3.
@Martendo
It's not what you would do? They're your words:
"Why would it be revealed before Christmas? They waited this long. They definitely don't want to interfere with any Christmas sale figures on Wii u and 3ds."
If that's not what you would do, why propose it? Furthermore if there's not a lot of difference between a 6 months reveal and a 3 months reveal, then why contradict yourself by saying "They definitely don't want to interfere with any Christmas sale figures on Wii u and 3ds."
Isn't that your argument there, that it's better to wait until 2017? Can you at least be a bit more coherent?
...just a SpotPass..that should be fine..
YEA, IT'S HERE!
@Wolfgabe Oh it's a player essence, they are always wrong, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I think @Dezzy wins. That's by far the best approach lol.
Ultimately, it may not matter (to me) how they announce the damn thing if the rumours turn out to be true. A phablet with detachable wii-like controllers? I dunno. I actually want a New 3DS more than anything rumoured so far so I'll just be relieved if it's something I actually want. I'd love for them to surprise everyone with a truly desirable device. Let's hope they've got that at least.
@retro_player_22 I am a loyal fan of Nintendo.
Many Nintendo games.
Many amiibo.
Many Nintendo consoles.
I even love my Nintendo Wii U.
It have had it since launch and I have never regretted it.
But even I am a little bit bored of Nintendo playing catch-up.
It took them (Was it, nine years?) to realise 1080p was a thing.
Aka. The Nintendo Wii U.
I do wish to still remain loyal, but I have moved on to 4K now with a nice 2160p TV.
I think the Nintendo NX will sadly be playing catch-up again.
Those are my personal fears.
i feel that the NX would most likely be revealed via a direct or press conference imho
Really crossing my fingers for something special.
Pardon my ignorance, but is there going to be a NX reveal this month?
'Assuming Nintendo wants NX to be a major success with a wide audience,...' 🤔
@Zach777 That is what I'm doing right now.
The Nintendo NX seems like a great concept whatever it will be, but I have moved to 2160p now.
Nintendo will be 2160p in about nine years time. I eagerly await then.
@tovare "nearly indestructible 6" 720p tablet"
720p?... Bit of a step back there...
I have moved to 1080p minimum and potential 2160p maximum.
I'll take anything at this point.
I'm sorry but Nintendo has long missed their window to knock people's socks off. With Scorpio and Neo coming out soon I doubt most people care about the NX and it's alleged below ps4/one power. No one wants a system that doesn't get major multiplats which the NX is guaranteed to not see a single one leaving it as just a Nintendo box once again.
I would've loved to have seen Nintendo try to make a console with decent specs, online and actively courting major third party developers but Nintendo has continued to showcase zero desire to actually attempt to learn from their mistakes. 720p on a handheld isn't bad but on a home console it's bad... look at the digital foundry spec analysis on the rumored specs for the NX and you'll see it's a joke spec-wise.
@JpGamerGuy90 I will probably still likely get the Nintendo NX.
But I have effectively moved on to being 2160p ready now.
My checklist:
2160p TV [X]
PS4 Neo Interest [X]
I did X in the boxes as I couldn't do ticks.
I'm in with those who say "I don't care, just show it". It's time to reveal the thing, while anybody outside their fanbase still cares.
Has everyone already forgotten how hideously awful their press conferences used to be? Or seen how awful every E3 press conference is now? Sure, there were a few good moments in Nintendo's past, but they're outnumbered by cringe 2:1, I'd say, if not more.
Everyone seems to think where they went wrong was by not simply doing what everyone else does, but this is the one thing Nintendo has done unequivocally right in the last few years. Do you really want new NX titles shown like Nintendoland was a few years ago? Dear god. Make the message punchy, fast, and clear. You don't get that with a press conference. It's a bunch of horribly scripted fluff, poorly executed and timed by people with no business commanding an audience. Just... Please don't. The Wii U didn't fail because Sony and Microsoft did press conferences and they didn't, and you'd have to be insane to think otherwise.
Above all they need to drop some heavy hints to get our minds in the right place before we get all hyped and in case the real reveal is not exactly what we have been looking for.
i still think that with their supposed muchh eavier emphasis on mass market, not jsut gamers, they will reveal at the consumer electronics show in las vegas. that's january next year.
Like others have said, really I just want Nintendo to finally announce the system so that we can stop guessing as to what it is!
I didn't vote because I think Nintendo should us all the available means of clearly informing consumers what this next console is. They should do a press conference to announce the hardware, keep that tight to an hour, immediately follow it with an E3 Treehouse style stream to highlight the games they are launching with and show the console in action. Then in the following months have game specific Nintendo Directs each month that goes into detail for each major exclusive title.
Considering only Nintendo fans watch Directs and they are the only ones probably interested in the console then that's the way to go. Could save them a lot of money.
Sony and MS try their hardest to appeal to the masses, to everyone. Nintendo try their damnest not to. Yeah, Direct is the only way to go.
I'd personally like to see a Direct reveal, but then have some sort of Treehouse Live scenario where they show some hands on with the console and the games. It's not like 99% of us will get to go to a conference of any sort, so it's a nonfactor.
A slick reveal trailer which shows off the capacity of the system, followed by a sizzle reel of any amazing games in the pipeline. Couldn't be simpler.
I prefer sudden; that fits the 'paradigm shift' ideology behind the NX and fits the large silence that Nintendo- has had on the NX anyways.
I'd say start hinting at the release such as vague statements, and questionable pictures all leading up to an NX direct.
If they release a screen device with only 720P they are a joke.
Press release. Just give us the name, the month it will be released, and what the specs are. So basically like 3 sentences.
People actually have to go the store each day that month hoping the NX will be there. And you don't know what the price will be.
It will cause a constant stream of social media chaos as people seek for the system every day in the stores. Imagine the news stations picking up the mass hordes of people in front of stores every day until the day they are actually there.
It's the way to go Nintendo. Do it. Do it NOW!
A Nintendolife.com exclusive interview, of course!
A sudden viral release would likely pick up more exposure from various news outlets than a press conference would which would only attract typical gaming media.
@The_Dude_Abides Sarcasm?
press release but with a extended info nintendo direct!
..they should definitely do a Direct, they could pull it out of Bill's beard..
"It's been YEARS man"...
For Europe Nintendo Direct, Nintendo should find a people who can speak English better, not an "Engrish". >_<
@eltomo Ha! This made my day! Thank you.
I don't think it matters how they reveal the console so much as when. They are seriously running out of time for a decent marketing campaign, and a lot of people are quickly losing interest after nothing but rumours about it have been everywhere for quite some time now.
I believe if a Nintendo spokesperson came forward and confirmed or denied even a couple of the rumours, it would go a long way to keeping people interested.
They should reveal it during a press event. But I don't want a vague video, like they did with the Wii. That video only revealed the name. I want to see the device, the name and most importantly: 1 or 2 games. Because a console means nothing to me without seeing some games.
On a side-note: Most rumors point to a tablet-like controller with detachable sides, a Wii u+ if you will. That doesn't sound very promising to me. And if these rumors are true, then the NX will bomb even harder then the Wii u did!!
They need a big press conference streamed worldwide with lots of footage. The name and logo, what the device(s) looks like, explanation of features and lots of game footage. It needs to be slick in its presentation. The media needs to be given advance warning so that tech blogs and websites and newspapers can talk about it before and after to generate some hype.
What they don't need is a bunch of guys on a stage awkwardly trying to explain what makes it really different to everything else (yet somehow failing to actually explain exactly what it is) without actually selling what it also does well in the more traditional sense (to match other consoles).
Oh, and tell me about the games. The games, the games, the games!
Nothing live. Live presentations of video games suck. Treehouse Live is full of awkward conversation. Sucks.
Everything should be done pre-recorded to get the sharpness required. By all means do a Treehouse style presentation, but pre-record it to edit to just the cool stuff.
I'd kind of like it to be a combination of all of them... a short sizzle reel to announce the event that can go final, and an online stream that's a combination between a direct and a press conference... part live, giving all of the important facts and clearly explaining what it is and what it can do, and part pre-recorded, giving a more comedic, lighter tone, and gameplay of a selection of games with a running commentary of the features offered by the NX.
From the company whose major Christmas family release last year was Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, who still feels it's reasonable to sell portable consoles without chargers, and who have consistently failed to deliver guaranteed system-sellers (who wouldn't buy Mario Galaxy 3, more Mario Kart dlc, or a Gamecube Replay collection?), I wouldn't be surprised at this point if we find out about the nx via its amazon listing. Nintendo: where genius and insanity reign together.
I think having the system on a late night show like Jimmy Fallon would be a good idea. It could be featured on the show a whole week. The social media aspects of the system could be used on the show throughout the week. It can be incorporated in some games played on the show. Get big name celebrity guest to play along. Even show off Zelda and target people who are nostalgic about Nintendo with other games.
Just release already
@JubilifeRival I have absolutely no knowledge that NX wouldn't be the official name of the product. There is absolutely no rumors saying so.
Thus, No I don't know what the official name is going to be or indeed if it's going to be NX.
BUT if there was for example direct announced with the reveal it would still say NINTENDO NX and that I can bet on.
Why do game companies waste so much precious time with all this hype, press releases, sneak peeks, reveals, blah blah blah?! If something is finished, fling it out on the store shelves and LET US BUY IT ALREADY! We live in a world flooded with short attention spans. Quit wasting our time and give us the goods before we find something else more interesting to focus on.
Here's what I think they should do; Hold a conference and put a direct into said conference!
By doing it this way, they could attract a huge audience for people to get excited and anyone online can view the presentation from home. Since this is Nintendo, they surely will attract a huge audience in the conference and the rest can have their fill with a streamed direct.
That's how I think they should do it.
Just do it
I have a GREAT idea. Hear me out.
Show it at E3.
Announce the release date.
Get great games to launch with the console.
Launch it after a huge advertising campaign.
Be ready for the holidays.
Simple huh?
#NintendoSucksAtLauchingAnything
@Spoony_Tech True. Maybe they are thinking, "Didn't we reveal the Wii U around a year before it's release?" They learned from their past mistake with the Wii U, but maybe they think it was too much time in between. I have no idea. Nintendo's name might mean "leave luck to heaven", and they're obviously doing that with the NX.
@XCWarrior Well we already know the month, March*, so they really only need a 2 sentence news release.
*Doubt is creeping in concerning March. Not "no way no how" doubt, but I'm wondering if they'll tell us about the delay before or during the reveal? Can you imagine a 45 minute ND NX reveal and at the end they say "launching in summer 2017". That would just be so Nitneod wouldn't it? (And, to be fair, every game this gen as well.) We're in Septmeber, I can't be the only 1 thinking it.
Really needs to be a press event streamed live as a direct.
If they show stuff now, would it slow down consumer spending during the holiday season? Some buyers may say, "I'm saving my money for NX"; and avoid buying Nintendo products. But, if they wait till after the holiday season, younger consumers may have already spent their money on other games or systems and not have anything left come next spring and the NX's release.
I personally think they should do it soon but that's just the Nintendo fan in me speaking.
I am really hoping for 2 live stream events like Spaceworld. (So little talk of Spaceworld in the article or the comments, Spaceworld in September is what Ntineod does, though sometimes under a different name, like Nintnedo World.)
2 simultaneous events, one in the West, hosted by Reggie, one in Japan hosted by Kimishima or someone else, I don't know who. Who was that real young guy who hosted the Japan ND? Sorry EU, nothing for you, but at least you won't have to watch Shibata.
Reggie walks on stage, pulls a Pro like controller out of his pocket, starts playing Zelda Wild on a big screen behind him. It looks the same as the Wii U version, but Nintendo knows this so Reggie quickly gets to a fully voice acted cut scene, in a Zelda game, so everybody stops caring about the graphic similarities and focuses on that. Slight of hand. After a few minutes Reggie says "here's some vidoe footage of other games" and some known 3rd party stuff is shown, Just Dance, Sonic 2017, DQ11. Reggie then walks over to a small tablet and says "here it is" and picks up a small box, then turns it around and it has a screen on it, a portable Gamepad, but much more sleek, like a Vita, not a big ugly Gamepad blob. Reggie says you can now play all of these great console games on the road, and walks around the stage playing them, much better reach than the Gamepad. Reggie talks a bit, says "one more thing" and a FF7 Remaster trailer plays on the big screen behind him. "Play FF7 your way" Reggie points at the audience like Uncle Sam, "at home, or anywhere your want to play. There's no play like it."
Meanwhile in Japan the host walks out on stage carrying the NX
and shows it to the audience. Here's how you will be playing Zelda Wild, on the go, in the palm of your hand. Host starts playing while walking around, big screen behind him showing the game. He gets to the part w/ the voice acting and the crowd freaks out and starts throwing stuff onto the stage and a riot breaks out. OK maybe in Japan they just show a big awesome looking boss battle to show the power of this new handheld. Host then says, "all of these great 3rd party games, in the palm of your hand." Just Dance, Sonic 2017, DQ11 last b/c its in Japan. Screen goes dark. Host "phew, that's a lot of games, I'm getting tired carrying all of them around." (Maybe Miyamoto should host it, he's a funny guy.) He walks over and puts the handheld down into the dock. Screen behind him comes back to life. "But it's ok if you get tired, just put the console down and play all of these games on the TV." Picks up a Pro and starts playing. "But wait, there's more" FF7 Remaster comes up on screen. "Play FF7 anywhere you want to play, at home school, work, oooh maybe better not play at work. There's no play like it."
For those of you who don't like the $350 hyrbid, want a powerful $250 home and a portable $200 away, it's still the same presentations, only instead of switching hardware you just switch the cartridge out of 1 piece of hardware into the other. It's a little different that way, we'll need to buy 2 pieces of hardware then, but they'll just emphasize you "CAN" play the same games at home or away, it's up to you to buy the home, handheld or both consoles. Freedom of choice.
@ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan @kirk
That was too long of a post #188 not to tell you guys about.
@Thegentleman #58 "Nintendo space world?"
It would be really classy if they were able to do a grand come back of Space World with the NX and its games being the center of the show - and PLAYABLE for the great masses!
But it feels kinda late to hold it before Christmas. People need time to prepare and plan the trip for the show if they want to attend. So I think they should reveal the console soon in some other way, and hold the Space World next year before the launch.
EDIT: Oh I didn't notice @rjejr talking about the Spaceworld, since you formatted it differently! I like your idea too.
But really though, why would the NX BotW look the same as the Wii U version, if the NX could run the FF VII remake?
We can assume they will do the unexpected.
I could see a big conference or a Direct. Personally I'd like a conference reveal with letting people touch the thing, but I also feel Nintendo would prefer the total control of a slickly produced Direct. The only things, both would be predicated with an alert it was coming and Nintendo has been more or less silent.
@rjejr Seeing Space World return would be awesome.
Full throttle press release/stream/etc, AND, a commercial after it's all over lol. The louder, the clearer, the more in-your-face, the better. That way people can decide to get on board, or jump off the train from the get-go. No beating around the bush Nintendo, be direct, and be real. Fastest way to consumer (and developer) respect.
@rjejr Really liked the "for those of you... " bit.
You know about me and tablets... F-ing hate them, especially as gaming devices...
@rjejr
With kind regards from HNF...
@rjejr HNF: "DMP will power multiple devices such as a Game Console with VF2 SoC, M3000 GPU in Q1 2017 according to official slides."
Hmm, I wonder which console that is going to be. Some Asian knock-off, or could it be... some kind of dedicated handheld?
Another nice one:
"AMD has something planned that will surprise everyone"
Tomorrow I will receive some info from my own sources.
Will post here what I can.
@rjejr And while you wait for that additional info, have fun with this article in which a game blogger did an interview with an anonymous developer...
https://gamersplash.com/2016/09/01/animal-crossing-and-miitomo-successor-launch-titles-for-nx-more-developer-interview/
@rjejr I can't stop... !!!
(hope I don't turn into HNF v2 in the next couple of days if this keeps going the way it is. Stuff is pouring in... )
Here's something SMD posted on HNF's Twitter account. It's the same statements that I keep referring to and that everybody ignores or tries to transform into evidence for a hybrid:
And he accompanies it with his own statements, which are SO true:
"Seems like people missed the entire point of why Nintendo was making the integration research in the first place.
Nintendo did R&D on integrating architecture for multiple platforms. Purpose: 1 game to work on multiple devices.
Why work on this for 1 hybrid device? 1 game for many devices was their plan since the start, there's been no change.
Making 1 game work for both HH and HC would also give Third Party more reason to make one game for 2x the revenue."
@rjejr
@Kirk "Seeing"
Seeing NX would be awesome, Space World would just be icing on the NX cake.
Though now I'm drinking my own Kool-Aid and thinking NDs might be better than trying to stage 2 live simultaneous events where either one or both could be struck w/ technical difficulties. NX can't afford technical difficulties during it's reveal.
@ThanosReXXX "You know about me and tablets..."
How many 2DS do you own? You aren't five years old and you don't' have any kids that I'm aware of, so the tablet isn't for you, it's for having a cheap device to put the Play Ntinedo website on and hooking little kids who like touching screens, not buttons.
Nintneod is finally releasing the piece of junk 2DS in Japan next week (I feel about the 2DS how you do about tablets) in 9 different colors, so it's serious. I dont think they would do that unless they were planning on having a cheap replacement for it in the coming years.
@rjejr Yeah, I agree. I think Nintendo needs this thing to run smooth as butter. But these lives shows do carry a sense of importance and grandiose with them, which the NDs really don't in my opinion, and that's something that would be great for NX. So, it's a tough choice. Christ, just do ALL OF THEM!
@ThanosReXXX M3000 Is that powerful enough to run Zelda Wild at 720p? Sounds more like a chip that should be in a kids tablet.
""AMD has something planned that will surprise everyone""
Well, Sony has its' event tomorrow w/ the 2 new PS4, Slim and Neo being revealed, so I'm guessing it's something in 1 of them. Also rumours of a new Vita 2 "Trinity" so it could be in 1 of them.
I started my own rumour awhile back that Trinity will be a Dualshock 4 w/ a screen that streams PS4 games over Wi-Fi. A PS4 Gamepad that actually works more than 8' away from the console. "DS4 LiveStream". Basically it's just a remote player for PS4 w/ PS Now games available. So it won't be a Vita 2 b/c it won't have it's own games, it's just a streaming device. Though I've also decided they won't show that off until PSX in December, they have enough tomorrow w/ 2 PS4 and PSVR, so AMD will have to be in something else.
But I'm not talking about AMD in NX until after tomorrow, I'm all on board for DMP.
@Kirk Oh, I think it needs the roar of a live crowd in a big auditorium, and if they were launching 1 or 2 devices in the west and Japan the same way Id' say go for it, but if they want to sell it/them as a mediocre home in the US that can also be taken on the road, and a powerful handheld in Japan that also has tv out, 2 simultaneous NDs might work better.
Whether it's 1 device or 2 I think they need to emphasize it different ways to their respective markets.
@Kirk " just do ALL OF THEM! "
Hear, hear! I second that. Then again: I already said something along those lines in comment #42...
@rjejr "I feel about the 2DS how you do about tablets"
Yeah, although the collector in me is still trying to convince me that I need to buy one someday, I'm not too attracted to that either, but at least it has decent controls, which is at least one point that makes it a better choice in comparison with tablets, in my opinion.
Another thing that I have against tablets is that I think that we need to ween kids off of tablets and smart devices, instead of pushing one into their hands the minute they leave the womb. And I don't give a damn about the fact that they might use them in school. (my time to be ornery... )
I hate people that spend half of the day looking at their smart device, even at parties and birthdays. It is becoming ridiculous.
@ThanosReXXX "a game blogger did an interview with an anonymous developer."
Is the game blogger anonymous too?
Well, that was the best thing I've read on here since the rumours all started. You've probably noticed but I'm a stickler for a word here or there that gets my attention. 2nd Gamepad for 2 player Pikmin 3 was it. Nobody talks about 2 player and dual screen support anymore.
Also he said what I said - nobody cares, and nobody should care, about the chipset. I'm guessing you knew I'd like that part.
And of course for you we got back on topic for that special thing.
Yeah, best interview I've read. Very believable. If he's making it up he's really good. Though I have to admit I kept thinking it was RDMCIAX and he was just trolling everyone b/c of the NL skewer piece.
Well done, I'm book marking that one.
Oh, do you think we should make anything of those "Summer 2017" comments, or interpret them like he did, Ntinedo wants only AAA stuff at launch, indie stuff for the summer? I have to tell you, I've been worried about a summer 2017 launch for a few days now, I've posted it just recently too.
Hey @Captain_Gonru you should go read it. It's long, an dI got confused a few times over who was saying what when all of that Iwata stuff got added in, and not a single solitary mention of NX some how, but his AC thinking seems legit. AC:aF sucked b/c they've been working on the real game for NX launch. I know we've all already assumed that, just thought you might like another chime in.
https://gamersplash.com/2016/09/01/animal-crossing-and-miitomo-successor-launch-titles-for-nx-more-developer-interview/
@rjejr "M3000 Is that powerful enough to run Zelda Wild at 720p? Sounds more like a chip that should be in a kids tablet."
Yes it is. It is only slightly less powerful than the Tegra X1 which is considerably more powerful than the Wii U. The M3000 is around 85% of that (Tegra) chip, and we are talking about the base model. If they do a custom build, which is probably what will happen, then it could get as close as 90 - 95%.
The AMD surprise is of course in related to NX, otherwise HNF wouldn't have posted it.
The Tegra chip could be in the PS Vita upgrade/Trinity/whatever.
And it's not AMD or DMP in NX, it's AND. Two devices, AMD console, DMP handheld. At least, for now.
Tomorrow, I'm going to have a little chat with a guy from a company starting with a U, and on the 9th we will have the SNUG2016 event, where (once again) DMP and Xilinx will be speaking on next gen computing and other stuff.
And yes, I knew you would like that bit of the interview, or at least I thought you would. Don't want to give myself unnecessary credit. But glad I guessed right. Wouldn't want to have bothered you with something that you wouldn't have liked...
@ThanosReXXX "half of the day"
Only half? Are you not counting the time they are sleeping, b/c if you ever visit NY man are you in for a reality check. Like everybody. All the time. ALL THE FREAKIN TIME. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Candy Crush, Youtube. That insane bishop going off on Pokemon Go was missing the bigger picture. It's horrible. I just bought my 11 year old a smart phone on Sunday b/c I know he'll need to use it in school, in class, when his teacher ask him to pull it out. The Borg have won, we are all doomed. Really the only thing left to work out is if the borg are named Google or Apple. Or Nintendo.
If you can't beat'em, join'em.
@rjejr "Is the game blogger anonymous too?"
No, he isn't. Actually, it's a couple of people. They also have a YouTube channel and multiple ways to get in touch with, if you feel the need to quiz them on the interview...
https://gamersplash.com/about
https://gamersplash.com/contact
"If you can't beat'em... "
Oh, I'll beat them alright, with an open hand straight across their faces, and then I'll un-brainwash them and teach them about the superiority of dedicated gaming devices. And manners at parties and birthdays...
@ThanosReXXX "Here's something SMD posted on HNF's Twitter account."
Sounds like something The Lone Gunmen would have said on X-Files.
One of the reasons for my long winded NX reveal ideas was so I could move on. First I had to move on from caring about the chips, now I can move on from caring about the hardware.
Whether it's 1 device or 2 it's basically the same thing. 1 device could be sold as a $249 Home and $199 Away console depending on the bundle. Maybe even 3 bundles if they wanted to add in a 128GB SD card and 2 games, 1 good for home, one good for handheld, for $349.
If its 2 consoles, that's a $249 Home and a $199 handheld. Maybe they bundle the 2 for $399.
Important thing is, if it's 1 game cartridge, it doesn't matter so much about the device, as long as I can play that 1 game at home on my TV or away.
Now if the Home works on discs, well then we have problems. Or if it's 2 sets of games again, but it can't be. That's not worth discussing.
So what's the big difference between 2 or 1? Well Home power would be the big 1. But if the home has the exact same innards as the handheld, just no battery or screen, well then it's the same games in a much cheaper console. But it can't be the same power b/c the handheld does 720p stereo and the home 1080p 5.1 so at the very least it needs more power just to play the same games at a higher resolution. That's the DMP M3000 handheld and DMP M3400 Home.
Other option is a high powered AMD home and AMD ARM handheld. But then programmers build to the larger install base, which would be the handheld. So even though you have more power in Home, it won't get much better games, b/c devs will want the games to be able to run on the handheld. Yes, you'll get 1 Xenoblade Chronciles like New 3DS got it, but thats it. For the most part the library will be the same. Sony has already said no Neo exclsuive games, all games built to the base PS4. And heck all games are built to the base Xbox One anyway. So any handheld that has Xbox One power will play all Neo games.
I'm going to say that last part again b/c it's important. If the handheld has Xbox One power it would be able to play all PS4 Neo games. That's what leaked Sony documents said.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/04/ps4k_is_codenamed_neo_has_upgraded_specs_will_not_supplant_existing_ps4_systems
So I don't have to care if it's 1 hybrid device or 2 separate devices, they will all play the same games and the prices are likely to be similar. There really isn't much difference either way they go, they wind up at the same spot. 1 game cartridge, home and away, that can include any multiplat on PS4, Neo, X1 and X1S. Not sure about Scorpio yet, will probably need your SCD for that, but we have awhile yet. No home console dev will make a Scorpio game anyway, it will be all PC game ports, nothing that would see the light of day on any Nintendo hardware anyway.
@Captain_Gonru You think that was an interesting read, try my next post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM4jJc8w4H0
@Kirk NX, the most reviled system the world had ever seen, even before they'd seen it.
@rjejr And then they say that HNF's videos are crazy...
You're certainly a bonafide silver medal in that department...
And for a man not caring about the hardware, you sure have a lot to say about it...
Oh, and no discs in home. Cartridges for both, interchangeable, so we can leave that option out from now on...
As for the power level in comparison to the other two upcoming console upgrades: have you been sleeping with the groundhogs?
That is what I have been saying all along. First it was only a rumor, and then later on both Sony and Microsoft confirmed that games would have to be compliant with ALL models of their consoles, so even if NX is "only" as powerful as the Xbox One, it'll still be alright, since it will get the SCD's later on in 2017 or Q1 2018, and it will then be able to match PS4 or higher.
@rjejr And how they would work together with different innards?
Home console AMD, handheld DMP, both network/streaming protocol connected via Xilinx chips, sharing software and OS assets via the Vulkan API (which is a cross-platform Application Programming Interface compatible with all kinds of hardware and software, and will also provide for next gen 3D programming) and probably some other software as well.
And even if it isn't going to be DMP in the handheld (AMD surprise could also be a mobile SoC for a handheld) then Vulkan and Xilinx would still be able to take care of cross-platform communication. Even if it's going to be an Nvidia handheld/hybrid tablet-thingy after all...
@ThanosReXXX "That is what I have been saying all along."
Wait, we agreed on something? I'm going to take a moment to appreciate that we found common ground, and go cook dinner.
2 common grounds, cartridges and X1 power is enough. We keep this up we won't need any more rumours, we'll just figure it all out ourselves.
"AMD surprise could also be a mobile SoC for a handheld"
Did anybody ever figure out where their ARM contract win went?
AMD’s Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Devinder Kumar said:
“Those products will launch sometime in 2016. And timing is only dependent on the customers, I won't comment on that. But what I can come from as we said previously, there are two products, it's a billion dollars of revenue starting sometime in 2016. One of the products is ARM. And the last thing I’ll say is we are looking at our semicustom business as going beyond gaming.”
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/37183-amd-hopes-for-1bn-more-revenue-from-semicustoms-in-2016
@rjejr What was on the menu? I had baked potatoes with cubed bacon and onions and chicken fillets...
"Did anybody ever figure out where their ARM contract win went?"
Rumor has it (oops... ) that it could also be going towards either Apple or Google for their tablet or chromebook respectively, but that one is kind of expected, but according to our friend SMD, AMD is rumored to have more semi-custom design wins to announce, besides the two already known. (those probably being the PS NEO & Xbox Scorpio, which leaves one open)
The design wins beyond gaming may very well be that ARM SoC, because a tablet or a chromebook would certainly qualify as "beyond gaming".
And then there's SMD's opinion in this July video, that also contains Lisa Su's interview concerning those design wins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J_m3_1PPB4
Funny though that Lisa did not confirm the NEO, but did mention the Scorpio, while the former was already known, so there was no reason NOT to mention it, if it was a design win, and so maybe Dave is on to something there...
(and I'll take her word over the VP/CFO any day, seeing as she is the CEO. In marketing we always learn to get to the decision makers, not their wing men)
And while I'm at it, here's PE's latest video. Good stuff...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE2ebp-4aVg
@Moshugan space world kind of popped into my head when I thought about the new hardware reveal (I really don't think it will happen but who knows....)
@Moshugan FYI - if you add a name in an edit after you have already saved the comment once before then it doesn't send an email.
Zelda is going to look the same on Wii U and NX b/c Nintendo isn't going to make it look any better, they have enough on their plate. It will look better on close inspection, 1080p vs 720p maybe, but on a big screen during a live presentation it's going to look mostly the same. Even if NX were a $1,000 console it would still look mostly the same.
I suppose they could always reverse it between consoles like they did with TP.
@ThanosReXXX man, just had a long post to you that didn't take, stupid Opera mini browser. here goes nothin.
Google Pixel new tablet on /. today, Apple thing tomorrow, lots going on in eltronics these days.
Before you go beatin on any kids, keep in mind mobile games are getting more controller support these days.
https://www.androidnames.com/accessories/6-best-bluetooth-android-game-controllers/
I actually hope if there are detachable controllers there are 2 on the bottom that form 1 handheld base like the Mogo, I can't imagine good ones on the sides. Then it can fold in half like a 3DS.
@rjejr Aw man, you should not have told me that: now I'm wondering what I missed out on...
And meanwhile, I had to make do with correcting a youngster in the Dolphin article...
"Google Pixel... Apple thing... "
Not really interested in those. The 9th of September is where it's at with the SNUG2016 event, and tomorrow, when yours truly is going to have his chat with a Ubi developer. Even at my age, I'm still quite excited and somewhat nervous at that prospect. And professionally speaking, I'm used to speaking to top hats, so that's not the issue either.
But this is going to be something else. Makes me stay up way too late right now. So I'm going to make this the last comment of the day or else I'll be a zombie tomorrow...
And not to worry: I would never beat kids, or women. I was raised properly...
But the usage of smart devices by young people nowadays is quite infuriating, yet another thing we agree on. Before you know it, we will start to agree on so many things that we will have to find a way to be able to share a beer over that, or any other poison of your choosing...
Agreed on the detachable controllers. It all sounds so fragile, and yet there is a thing called the GameVice... although that is more of a horseshoe type of thing.
And the patent also puzzles me, what with the buttons that detect presses with infrared or something. Wonder if we will ever see that in a final design.
I did like the latest rumor that SMD proposed about the initial delay of NX, because that means that there are indeed already a bunch of games ready and waiting. Imagine the kind of presentation that might give us: games, games, games. More than we've ever seen at any launch of any Nintendo system...
I'll drink to that, but not now. Time to go to sleep. See you tomorrow, my friend.
@ThanosReXXX Sleep w/ 1 eye open, Nintendo ninja's are surely on there way.
@rjejr I'm prepping for a November release for NX. I mean you can't just hope your system catches fire in like 6 months, especially with Neo and Scorpio coming.
Lucky for them, the VR fad has already died out. I've seen reports sales have but died off the last 2 months.
I just want them to reveal the thing so I can budget accordingly and we can find out what games the 3rd parties may be willing to "grace" us with.
@XCWarrior November 2016?
That's a joke, in case the got lost in the email. Sometimes I don't get mine.
I dont have any knoweldge of any VR sales, but $400, $600, $800 whatever. There may be a boat full of early adopters who want that stuff, but normal people aint' paying it for awhile. And I'm sure more than a handful of people were willing to pay it, but dind't realize they needed to buy a new $800 PC first, b/c there $350 HP from Staples wasn't cutting it.
And I'm guessing PS4 folk are waiting on Neo timing and pricing to see if and when to buy a PSVR.
@ThanosReXXX Thanks for the volume warning. Next time remind me to close my eyes as well, that's a lot first thing in the morning while it's still dark out.
HNF is too young for Gorshin, but I'm guessing he's a big fan of Chuck. (Great show for 2 seasons, then 2 of just good enough, then 5 was a series of basically fan service webisodes. Still 1 of the best shows ever though.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLopJjhwhcA
@rjejr I don't hate it . . . but boy do I wish they'd just frikin' show it. lol
@ThanosReXXX Then hear, hear!
@XCWarrior From a marketing perspective, 6 months is more than enough and actually quite common. And NEO and Scorpio are of no consequence in that since, as @rjejr has already stated quite elaborately and eloquently in comment #215, both the base models of the Xbox One and PS4 will also still need to be able to play the games, so the standard platforms are leading and there will be next to no unique content on the higher end models, other than 4K media, upscaled games and a better VR experience.
And it hasn't died out yet, not by a long shot. VR is here to stay, it is just hitting a few bumps in the road, but it has taken off and it will only get better. The newer consoles will also make heavy use of it, so it's not going anywhere.
@ThanosReXXX "And NEO and Scorpio are of no consequence""both the base models of the Xbox One and PS4 will also still need to be able to play the games, "
Just to clarify, I said Neo's power was of no consequence b/c PS4 will play all of those games, Scorpio will probably be different, it will have exclusive games b/c it's really Xbox Two with full backwards compatibility. It's of no consequence to NX b/c it wasn't going to ever get Halo or Gears of War anyway.
You comment kind of reads like I was saying XBox 1 S will play all of Scorpio's games, but I honestly do think Scorpio is Xbox Two. Or Four depending on the naming. Remember when Wii was 2 Gamecube's duct taped together? Like that. Only instead of Wiimotes the X2 will have VR headsets available.
It's all there in my last paragraph of #215.
@rjejr From what I've understood, there will be some exclusive content added to games, both on NEO and on Scorpio, but Phil Spencer also stressed that most, if not all games will be playable on all models Xbox One, and that includes the Scorpio.
Contrary to NEO, it may have some exclusive games, but that is far from confirmed, so again: it is of no consequence to NX, and not just for the people that would never play Xbox in the first place or because no Microsoft exclusives will be ported to NX.
Rumor has it that Titanfall is going to be seen on NX, though...
Either way, just see Scorpio as the super deluxe model Xbox One for people with a bigger wallet, because it's going to cost quite a bit.
@Martendo nice deflection there, with a cheap pop at mental illness to boot.
You don't announce a console with 3 months to go because you need time to build hype, to take it to shows and get people playing it and talking about it, you need to leave time for developers who aren't currently in the know to see it and make the decision to develop for it.
You need to give people a reason to not blow all their money on the competition, instead of your system. Would it impact sales of 3DS at Xmas, who knows, but this isn't anything new if it did, all current consoles / handhelds will suffer when a new system is announced, that's just the way of things.
Also, if you don't want your points to be challenged, don't post here, and don't respond with insulting, defensive nonsense like you just did either.
@ThanosReXXX "just see Scorpio as the super deluxe model Xbox One for people with a bigger wallet, because it's going to cost quite a bit."
Which is why I think it WILL have a few exclusive games. Not all, not many, but more than Neo. Of course Sony will be delivering PSVR exclusive games, so that's enough exclusives for them.
I do think Scorpio games may depend on how sales go the next year between all of the PS4, Xbox 1 S and NX models. If X1 gains traction, NX is delayed or falters or people simply view it as a handheld, and Sony annoys people w/ a 4k upgrade push, then X1 could have a stellar year and who knows MS might even delay Scorpio.
If NX gets Titanfall and sells well as a home console and an X1S competitor and Sony nails it this afternoon, then MS may decide to make Scorpio Xbox Two w/ exclusives and give up on X1S.
But that's way too much for me to predict this morning, we'll just let the next 9-12 months play out.
@ThanosReXXX
Personally I think you need more than 6 months to hype a console. Sony and Microsoft think this, that's why they are giving over a year's warning for Neo and Scorpio. And right now you can't argue they have a better grip on what the market wants right now.
You know how new 3DS enhanced games like Hyrule Warriors "function" on an OG 3DS? That's how I expect a lot of games to play on XB1/PS4 base models. I could be wrong.... but the people want the best power possible, so I don't think I'm crazy thinking this.
As for VR.... http://www.techspot.com/news/66230-latest-steam-survey-reveals-sales-vr-headsets-grinding.html
@XCWarrior I don't think you're crazy and that is also how I imagine "normal" Xbox One and PS4 games to run on the newer models, but from all reports the Scorpio especially, is going to be quite an expensive console, so I'm quite sure that not a whole lot of current Xbox One owners will buy that, since even Phil Spencer himself said it was going to be a premium price, so that could be well over $600 - $800 and maybe even higher.
And FYI: I'm a sales & marketing professional myself (18 years of experience), and I've worked for the biggest IT related companies out there: HP, Google and Microsoft, and I know that six months is more than enough. For HP, I even had to do campaigns in two months or less, on a regular basis, so anything is possible.
What the other parties do is irrelevant. Nintendo does not have to follow suit, just because the others do it like that. There isn't just one right way to do it.
@XCWarrior And that article you mentioned is just one of those bumps in the road I mentioned. It'll pick up speed again, especially if these newer consoles are in part specifically built around providing better services for it, and they are.
And from all reports, NX will also be doing something with VR and also AR, so the tech will at least be incorporated in some way.
@rjejr Which is what I said, so we agree yet AGAIN!
There will be some games, and contrary to the NEO, the Scorpio will also display games in native 4K, whereas the NEO will upscale from 1080p to 4K.
@ThanosReXXX I hope you are right about NX and 6 months. In 18 months Nintendo didn't even come close to marketing the WiiU correctly and drawing up real interest. They even failed with the 3DS. It took a price drop and a lot of good games to turn the tides to make it a solid follow up to the DS.
I really don't know about VR. My Twitter timeliness is sports and video games basically. Nobody talks about VR. I hate to use an absolute here, but seriously, the only time VR gets brought up in my timeline, is when people link to the article I gave you. The price will need to come down big time, and there are going to need to be multiple killer games or some really good adult industry stuff to get people to buy them. Probably more the latter than the former.
@XCWarrior Oh, I agree. They messed up big time. For me, it was like watching a car crash happening that you could have seen coming from miles ahead, and it still happened. So many marketing and promotion mistakes, it wasn't even funny anymore.
And don't get me started on the communication surrounding it, or rather: the lack thereof...
And VR prices DO need to come down, but the way it works is of course that first, it has to sell more in order for it to become eligible for a price cut. If it remains a thing that only a small percentage of the people will buy, then the price won't change any time soon, UNLESS the tech behind and inside it can become more readily available at lower prices, for example because of streamlining production processes or optimized hardware that is cheaper to make in the first place.
But those will only be modest price cuts, so they need to advertise it more and start selling more. And perhaps NEO, Scorpio and NX are just the ticket to sell VR to the general public instead of just to PC enthusiasts and the odd smart phone owner...
I think Nintendo should use a similar format for the NX reveal that Sony is using for the PS4 Pro at the moment!
A concise show at first and these exciting and enlightening developer interviews right after. Demoing games would be great too!
Real simple. Be clear as to what it is and what it can do and how it does it. Also what's the release date software. Don't hold back like you did with Wii-U. I'm thinking you might already be late to the party on advertising the NX. I hope not
@ThanosReXXX
OK, serious question while we're here. Your a smart guy, your a salesman. If there is a home console, why hasn't Ntineod revealed it yet? I get not revealing a hybrid, Pokemon is coming, don't want to hurt 3DS sales this holiday. But if it's a separate Home console? They aren't even trying to sell Wii U or it wouldn't be $299 like the PS4 Slim and X1S. Nobody is going to pass on Paper Mario in Oct b/c of a new home console in March. They already told us NX is getting Zelda Wild.
I mean really, even if it's a hyrbird, how long do they wait? But if it's a separate Home console, why wait at all? It takes 6 weeks to ship from China, plus figure some time to get them to every little hicktown Gamestop. Even if they are only planning 2 million around launch, those things have got to be going into production pretty soon. And you can't start production until you give the manufacturer the actual specs, not maybes. And you need to get the chips from the chip maker to the manufacturer. Somebody, AMD, Nvidia, DMP, must be shipping those 2 million chips like yesterday to get this production rolling. Somebody's financials somewhere must have shown those 2 million chips rolling off the production line and rolling away. And they probably must have made, or been real close to making, a few test copies of the FINAL product to make sure the thing doesn't burst into flames like a Samsung phone or RROD like an Xbox.
So might point is, are they waiting to announce the thing until actual photo leaks happen like the PS4 Slim, b/c they must be cutting it really damn close to finished products actually being manufactured for at least a test run. Chips, I think, must be starting to be made in bulk after a few test samples.
The longer they wait, the longer they risk REAL leaks, not rumours, no?
So, yeah, that's not a rant, like, what the freak is taking them so long, it's a real business question to your salesman business self. Were they waiting on Super Mario Run? B/c I don't see the connection there. The 3DS ND? Not if it's a Home. And why not give the date announcement at the end? Finalized specs? If it ain't finalized yet, I think it's actually physically impossible to be on store shelves in March. See PS3 blu-ray drive delays.
So those are my guesses - 3DS ND, SMR, specs - but none of them really make sense as to why you antagonize your dwindling Home console fanbase to the point of them telling you to shove off and going to buy a competitors Home console.
Unless they are completley abandoning gamers and announcing it at CES in January. But if that's the case, they don't need any power or any AAA 3rd party games, just make a tablet w/ apps. So that line of thinking fails as well.
So what's the real reason to keep your Home console fans waiting? The ones you've left for dead, run over their dead bodies w/ your 3DS ND, then backed over them again w/ your SMR Apple exclusive? Gotta be a reason, but I can't fathom it.
@ThanosReXXX Why delete when you can edit?
And you wonder why I didn't want to take the red pill and go down the rabbit hole w/ you.
Oops, I did it again.
@rjejr Well, honestly, I don't have a clue myself either, which is why I have by now already mentioned several times in various articles that even my patience is wearing thin (and I am a VERY relaxed and easy going guy).
I personally can't figure out why they haven't revealed anything yet, and that is also part of why I was so invested at first into finding what was so special about it, but now I've let that go, because I came up empty every time.
But in and of itself, it doesn't HAVE to be all that strange. If they managed to tighten the noose of the NDA's of all the companies involved (they have done that before, so who knows) then it isn't THAT strange that nothing is visible yet, even manufacturing orders of the necessary large amounts of chips that are apparently nowhere to be found.
Normally, companies like Nvidia, AMD or even DMP would have to divulge such information, but all they do is talk in vaporous terms which could be explained in multiple ways.
Just mention that your new chip is "also" suited for gaming, like both DMP and Nvidia have done, and throw in a still unconfirmed semi-custom design win from AMD, and the public is still none the wiser.
By the way, speaking of that design win, here's someone with a semi-confirmed explanation of where that is going to go...
But then again: he never even moved an inch from that statement, but by now it's getting more tangible, at least for me, also because of my own sources.
I also think that the form factor of the device isn't necessarily a factor in revealing it or not, but if multiple games are ALSO coming to NX then that might indeed damage the sales of the last Wii U stock, so it's not all that strange and that could be a reason.
Zelda is indeed confirmed for NX, but so is a new Mario game, and these two are pretty much a given for any Nintendo device so contrary to popular belief, mentioning these won't endanger anything.
But if the rumor of the delay and the many titles already completed is true, then that could indeed damage sales of the Wii U and possibly even the 3DS, since if the successor to that is indeed made with a DMP chip, then it is a pretty safe bet to say that it could be backwards compatible, so that could impact the sales of both these devices.
Either way, entire supply chains could already be up and running, or waiting for the gates to open so they can start the race. They could have a completed product rolling off the conveyor belt in the space of two months, so no issues there either. They could have the first 10 million consoles/systems/handhelds out in no time.
You might even say that packaging takes longer with all the internal compartments of the box and the printing on the outside, but I'm also expecting that to either be in progress already or at the very least starting within the space of a month, so that packaging will be ready to be used once the systems are manufactured.
ND? I suppose you mean NX, so I'll go with that...
Although there are explanations, like the ones I've no discussed, there could still be the thing that Nintendo is still a bit stuck in their ways (which I hope isn't entirely true) and really believe that they have something so special that they have to keep a tight reign on it, regardless of public perception or possible damage done by all the various media because of the rumors.
Maybe they think it will do so well, that all that will be forgotten as soon as it will hit the stores, I don't know.
And maybe it's all on purpose, like I also said before. Nintendo saw all the rumors and simply let them run their course because it diverts the attention away of what NX really is so they can still surprise us.
But this kind of topic is indeed a recipe for thinking in circles, so I'll leave it at that. I can only theorize on their reasonings after all, and I probably won't even be right anyway...
@ThanosReXXX "(and I am a VERY relaxed and easy going guy)"
Yeah, I can tell.
And I know we are all impatient. But every kid in the world is impatient for Christmas morning, but they all know why they have to wait. You're like me, you want to know, that's curiosity, not impatience. And after being teased since March 2015, over 16 months ago, we are kind of sick of getting teased and want the happy ending, no massage should last 16 months. But while we may be curious, and sick of the teasing, we may still understand why. Maybe the masseuse is getting paid by the hour so she wants to make it last?
So even w/ all of the curiosity and teasing there could still be a reason Nintneod is putting this off. I mean heck there IS a reason, whether we like it or not, b/c if there wasn't a reason, or series of reasons, then they would have told us already.
Every now and then you remind me I'm a westerner so I dont 'view the corporate world the same as Ntinedo. So I figure I can't determine those reasons since Japan and I are literally a world apart. But I thought you might know. B/c there is a reason. Kimishima seems to be a smart business man, he can't be waking up every single morning flipping a coin on whether to reveal or not. There must be a plan.
Did I ever tell you my original plan theory? The 6 month timeline plan? Nintendo planned to launch in Oct, so they budgeted for a 6 month reveal - hardware reveal in May, big game shows in June at E3, Gamescon in August, TGS in September, launch in Oct. sound financial plan. But then when the hardware and/or software got delayed until March, well, since they already had that 6 month budgeted timeline in place, they just shifted it up to align w/ the March launch - reveal in Oct, show games for 6 months until March.
But I can't believe anybody is stupid enough to do that, there are no game shows between Oct and March. But whatever day they reveal it, 6 months later is the launch.
So, despite all your personal frustration from 16 months of teasing and general curiosity I was thinking you might be able to put all of that aside and find a business reason. If you can't, I wouldn't even begin to know who else to ask.
@rjejr They're like HNF in that respect: there's a method to the (apparent) madness. We're just not seeing it (yet)...
And indeed, they are Asians, and they work differently, but certainly in many cases also more diligently, no offense to Western companies, but just talking from my own experience with them when I was working at HP.
I figure they are already lying in wait with their entire fleet, and when they get the word go, they'll storm the harbor and we will never even know what hit us.
I'm also trying to imagine what would happen if the rumors of all these delayed games, mentioned in the previous SMD video, are actually true. Then we will have around 30 games in the launch window, which is a ridiculous amount, in the positive sense of the word, and it would certainly mean that they can put their money were their mouth is.
I'm also reminded of mr. Miyamoto's statement on a rushed game always being bad, but a delayed games being eventually good and maybe that same logic can be applied here concerning systems. (not that there was ever any indication of it being rushed in the first place, but you'll get the picture)
Illogical as it may sound and look to us at the moment. They may just want to check and double check that they have dotted all their I's and crossed all their T's and then some, just because they're Asian and Nintendo is quirky like that...
So all the containers are already filled and ready to be distributed, so at the reveal, there will be around 10 million devices ready to go to shops.
And 300 million games...
@ThanosReXXX Thanks as always for the video link, 2 down and 1 to go. Guy seems a bit to sure of himself on that account, all but assuring it will be in NX rather than sticking w/ "might" or "probable" but I guess that's what Youtubers do. And the Nvidia side as well. Pet peeve, don't say you "know" when you don't, the dictionary is full of qualifiers.
Sorry you gave up your special search. On the bright side, you can be surprised now. Unless the special thing is the home console playing the handheld cartridges.
Which is my segue into your explanation, which obliviously escaped me. NX is a Home console that plays 3DS games, therefore they can't reveal it until after they sell more 3DS.
I can't believe it has anything to do w/ Wii U sales as they actively try to hide that system from view so they don't go over their 800k projection.
But yeah, a Home console that's basically a "3DS and NX Player" - seeing as how more NX games will be marketed as handheld games than home type games - makes sense. So thanks, I think you've solved it, congratulations.
I'm still 72-25 hybrid, as I still think a "home console" can just be a handheld sold w/ a dock, but a handheld sold w/o a screen would be a home home, even if everything else was the same.
I still like the idea of a 3DS, or really 4DS, where the top half screen sits in the wireless dock and you get to keep the bottom half in your hand. Wouldn't that just be the freakin' simplest genius thing ever? Those bluetooth controllers lead me down that road, wasn't really thinking about it too much before, but it just works. Well except for the top half being so hot and heavy it feels weird and melts the screen. But if all those controllers w/ grips can do it, then why not a 4DS?
Probably won't happen, but it just seems so smart, as the top screen is being replaced by the tv screen anyway, and you still get dual screen. And I really dont' like Wiimotes, I should probably be upfront about that. Now I want it.
It's ok though, the adrenaline will pass and I'll figure out why it's such a bad idea later.
@Captain_Gonru If you want a distraction from Nintneod bending over for Apple (somebody needs to make a gif w/ a picture of Mario bent over w/ a big Macintosh Apple up his bum) Thanos has returned from parts unknown, don't ask or he'll have to kill you, or the Nitneod ninja's will kill us all, or something, but it feels like it's getting close. And I don't have an iOS device so what else is there to do?
i think you can start at my long winded comment #246 Should be enough there to kill a coffee break. Or a cigarette break, I forget people still smoke. Guess they can smoke while playing SMR.
@rjejr Hit it or "tap that"?
I like your idea of the 4DS with detachable top screen, but I wonder if they can make that sturdy enough for kids. Most of them were even able to either wreck or disable the average DS and/or 3DS with seemingly no trouble at all...
(or at the very least give it a few nice scratches on the touch screen)
But as far as the cartridges go, that was not exactly what I meant, although I have a feeling that you knew that already...
I was just speculating on a handheld that can both play its own games and 3DS games because #DMP. I am not thinking about a home console or a dock with a DMP chip, and God forbid, an Nvidia chip, but who cares in the end.
I want me games, lad. And they better be good ones...
As far as the video goes, like HNF, Dave is also an IT tech guy and really knows his stuff. I've emailed privately with him a couple of times and he is both quite knowledgeable and down to earth, so even if he comes off a bit too sure of himself in his videos, it is totally within reason and I have to agree with him at this point.
In the beginning when I started watching his videos I was more in the "God, I hope he's right" mode, but now a few months later and a couple of answers wiser (thanks, U-developer... ), I am more convinced that this is indeed the solution. Like you already said: nowhere is there any evidence of any huge financial investment or order of chips, but in the case of AMD they are at least quite open about their design wins, contrary to Nvidia or even DMP, who are just using the term "also suitable for gaming".
DMP is obviously more likely because of their connection with Nintendo in providing the 3DS chipsets.
Other than that, it's probably NDA a go-go, because every other statement each of these parties makes, is rather vague, which in turn is probably the very reason for all the speculation in the first place.
Sort of like: "well, they're not saying anything, but they're not denying it either, so it must have some truth to it".
And now, after the 6th has come and gone, we still have the 13th as possible reveal date, and according to Dave and a couple of others, there are now two new dates: the 21st or the 22nd, so we''ve got a ways to go before we know for certain if it will be revealed this month or not.
Meanwhile, I'll throw you some more videos later on. I'm pretty sure HNF and PlayerEssence aren't that far behind SMD when there is something to report. And HNF will make another crazy video after the 9th, when the SNUG2016 event has come and gone, so I'm curious as to what kind of crazy theories he can glean from that again.
He is also going to do another video with that YouTube friend of mine, likely in Dutch, but I sneakily suggested that they should do it in English, and if that happens, I'll send you a link so you can also hear what he has to say.
If it is in Dutch, I'll just send you a message with the most important points.
Gonna go and check PE and HNF's channel now for more rumors...
Laterrr!!!
@ThanosReXXX "we still have the 13th as possible reveal date"
I know they got a lot of attention whoring out Mario to Apple w/ that SMR reveal, but are they really going to take Sony head on before TGS?
http://gematsu.com/2016/08/2016-playstation-press-conference-japan-dated-september-13
I've been saying 27-29 for awhile now, but considering Nintendo's penchant for things that jump out at me, like having an ND on April's Fool day a few years ago, Friday Sept 30th is probably the most likely day in September. They already had 3DS ND on the 1st, so why not bookend the month w/ NDs?
So, are any of those lunatics on youtube hunting down a site for Spaceworld yet? I always figured if Nintnedo did do a live NX event it would be in 1 of their typical haunts in Japan. And we would know about it not b/c Nintendo announced it, but b/c people would get invitations in the mail and post about the invitations.
@rjejr "but are they really going to take Sony head on before TGS?"
Well, I'd wager that they certainly are crazy enough to do it, and they certainly aren't afraid of anyone. If what they are now still keeping from us is really that interesting and new, then I don't see no reason why not. It happens in all kinds of industries: Coca-Cola vs Pepsi, Mercedes vs BMW, McDonald's vs KFC and so forth...
Don't know about the videos yet, was typing the stuff underneath this bit because that popped into my head after typing my previous comment to you, so I haven't opened a single YouTube yet...
So here's that original message:
Come to think of it, maybe that is what they should call it: The NDA...
The Nintendo Dual Architecture
The Nintendo Doubt Always
The Nintendo Don't Ask
The Nintendo Does All
The Nintendo Double AMD
The Nintendo Destiny Awaits... (oh, wait)
The Nintendo Dòh A-arrr... (also comes in a Vee-arrr model)
@rjejr Slow news day for Francis/PE:
And a no news day for HNF, so I suppose he is still in the process of compiling all the info from the SNUG2016 event. But Studio Q, a channel that I started following a few weeks ago, does have some interesting tidbits. One is related to the rumor that the Tegra SoC could actually be for the new PS Vita, and the other is about the latest NX reveal rumors:
And then there is the Commonwealth Realm, another good channel in my opinion, that also did a video on the reveal and throws Mario NX in the mix as well:
Have at it...
I've been saying Vita 2 is a PS4 Gamepad for about a week or so now. Actually longer, since that wifi news broke. I call it DS4 LiveStream. (DS stands for DualShock, which you probably knew, but I thought I'd save you the trouble of spellchecking my "PS" mistake). It's a Gamepad that works over WiFi. I thought they might include it in the PS4 Pro, basically swap out the touchscreen for a screen screen.
And I have to say, all the "Reveal" rumours get a bit monotonous after awhile. Any clown, myself included, can say "NX reveal is... Just fill in the ..., I mean, they told us March, so that only leaves 6 months worth of ...
@ThanosReXXX
Vita 2 vid -
Why would Sony show it in NY in the US where nobody cares about handhelds when they have a show in Tokyo next week where the Vita is still going strong? It's just common sense to show it in Japan.
Here's my first comment(s) from Aug 10, I only called it Stream then, I added Live later.
"Any chance it could be in a tablet like device that doubled as a PS4 controller? People like tablets, and PS4 probably has enough couch mulptilayer to justify a 2nd controller for PS4. Xbox One has how many controllers now? Original, Elite, new S1 and that make your own kit, that's 4. As far as I know Sony has 1. Maybe it's like the PS4 controller but with an actual screen rather than a touchscreen. Yes, like the Gamepad, and the Dream cast VMU before that.
So while a $200 new Vita might be out of the question, maybe an $80 controller with a screen that is only used for PS4 streaming could work? I know it didn't work for Nintendo, but they bundled it. And Sony gave us a $500 3D monitor and Wonderbook, so I can't put anything past them. It wont have Vita in the name though, maybe PS4 Stream or something. It needs to have Netflix though, not be gimped like PS TV. PS Vue, PS Now, all of it.
Edit - re-read the article. Maybe 1 of those chips goes in the new PS4k and 1 goes in the new PS4k controller with a built in screen? So it's not a new Vita, but a Sony Gamepad. At least that sort of makes sense, new PS4, new conttroler."
"Yeah, I probably could have just written "remote play" and saved myself 2 paragraphs of typing. I do like the name PS4 Streaming Controller though, shortend to PS4 Stream. 1 of the dozen things wrong with Wii U was limiting the Gamepad to 8'. It was so short, they should have wired it so the battery didn't run out every 3 hours. I know they worried about game lag, but for Netflix, Miiverse, internet, eShop it should have switched to WiFi."
"I don't think they should make a Vita 2, ever. Vita failed, Vita TV failed, PS TV, which was Vita TV in the west, failed. That would be like Nitneod naming NX Wii U2.
But I do think Sony has spent so much time on the idea of "Remote play" w/ PS3 and PS4 games, and "cloud play" w/ PS Now, and viewing w/ PS Vue, I don't think a streaming handheld is out of the question. I know it should be out of the question b/c Wii U and Gamepad failed so miserably, but I can see Sony wanting a handheld just for remote play, Now and Vue. I'd suggest a tablet, but you need buttons and sticks for remote play and Now. So that leaves me w/ a dual purpose PS4 Neo controller w/ a screen.
Have you ever gamed on a 3DS or DS, those screens are so tiny, they could fit one on a DS4. So it's not a Vita 2, it's a tablet controller. Or something. Can't abandon Japanese gaming."
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/08/a_new_ps_vita_is_on_the_way_dont_believe_everything_you_read
And I still think it's coming, Sony is too heavily invested in "remote play" and "PS Now". If you can Sony game on a PC, why not build another handheld.
Somebody is going to build me a tablet dagnabiit
@ThanosReXXX Announce date vid
Early Oct sounds good to me. Does Sept 30th count as early Oct?WSJ is just as prone to rumours as anybody else, but the "home console" part is nice.
Don't have time for 10 minute vid, and PE is just ranting.
Well, at least I'm caught up? Though I still have 158 old emails in my inbox since mid- July.
Obligatory EA suxxx
@rjejr What's wrong with the screens on a DS or 3DS? Just buy the XL versions, no problem at all. I have all the DS's, but also a DSi XL and a 3DS XL.
"And I still think it's coming"
Agreed, I don't think they have learned from the previous encounter in the handheld market yet, so they will still give it another try and it will probably also have something to do with PS Now or whatever, so it may be a rumor, but it kind of fits the bill.
And also: I'll be laughing my balls off if this is what EuroGamer's source saw...
And just save that 10 min. video for later, it's a nice video with some interesting Mario NX ideas.
@rjejr I saw you say something earlier about the handheld and the exchangeable controls, and not liking that, but it wouldn't be all that different from a tablet with two breakaway wiimotes on either side.
Also concerning your musings on how the heck they could get the NX onto store shelves so fast if nothing is known about it yet:
I found a good comment underneath one of those videos I posted earlier that would be a very good reaction to that:
"In context: PS4 Pro only was shown 2 months and 3 days before it's release. PS4 (slim) was only shown 8 days before it's release. Xbox One S was revealed 100 days before it's release. Did either Sony or MS make a mistake taking this long to reveal their consoles? If so why? If not then why is Nintendo waiting a mistake? If Nintendo does the same as their competition they could wait till early 2017 to reveal the NX."
And finally:
"Obligatory EA suxxx"
Maybe so, although I don't agree (besides all the trash, they actually publish quite a few good games), but they need all the third party support they can get, even if you don't like any of these companies. Others will, and they will buy the games if they are comparable to the versions on the other platforms.
@ThanosReXXX "I don't think they have learned from the previous encounter in the handheld market yet,"
Well, Wii U failed nearly as hard as Vita and you still want/expect Nintendo to make another home console. And Vita routinely outsells Wii U in Japan. If it weren't for the Japanese market I'd be more inclined to see Sony give up.
@rjejr handheld market, my friend, can't compare the PS Vita to the Wii U. The 3DS utterly destroyed and still destroys the Vita in total sales, and Sony dropped it like a hot brick.
I said I wouldn't be surprised if they go and make another kind of handheld to work together with all their other services, but in hindsight it probably doesn't even have to be a dedicated handheld, just a streaming device a la Nvidia Shield, that can stream PS4 games at home and on the go.
And the BIGGEST difference, and I'm sure I've said this countless times before to you and others, is that video game consoles are Nintendo's core business, so OF COURSE I expect them to release another one, contrary to Sony or Microsoft, for whom it is only a side business. A profitable one, but still not a core business.
I would bet my entire life's savings that if they wouldn't have been as successful as they are now, that Sony would have pulled the plug out of their gaming department by now, and the same goes for Microsoft.
For both of them it is not their main source of income, and it never will be either. People always forget that, and while it's SO obvious.
@ThanosReXXX Re: obligatory EA suxxx
If I write "obligatory" that usually means I'm trying to be funny. Not that you would have any reason to know that, and not that I personally think EA suxx, I don't really care about them either way as I don't play whatever it is they make, but we don't need to discus EA.
As for that vid comment about shipping.
I'll give them it's a fair point about the X1S and PS4 Pro not leaking before they were shown, but he conveniently didn't mention pics, and actual units, of PS4 Slim being everywhere on the internet weeks ago.
Also, PS4 Pro leaked waaaaaay back in April as PS4k Neo. April. So that was like what, 8 months before it releases. And I consider a leak to be more than a rumour, the specs pretty much match up to the final product and all that goes along w/ it.
Not sure if you were following all of that back then so here.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/04/ps4k_is_codenamed_neo_has_upgraded_specs_will_not_supplant_existing_ps4_systems
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/03/evidence_for_supercharged_ps4_5_console_mounts
So comparing everything we knew about PS4 Pro 8 months before launch to what we know about NX 7 months before launch, well its very different. We dont even know if NX is a home, handheld or hybrid but all of the PS4 Pro specs were out there, 8 months before launch.
Funny thing, some of those early PS4 "rumours" - before the spec leak- were made by Eurogamer.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-in-theory-playstation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it
So there really is no comparison to Sony "announcing" something 2 months in advance when everybody on the planet has known almost exactly what is was 8 months prior to launch to NX, where we know little more than a handful of games.
I dont' feel like doing the legwork on X1S, I dont follow it.
As for "announcing" it, well there is a VERY HUGE TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE between announcing updates to X1S and PS4 Pro and Slim just before launch, b/c all they did was improve games a smidgen. W/ NX we are talking about an entirely new liibrary. OK, the library may be filled w/ ports at launch, but it will be a whole new console generation. Even if it's just a 4DS w/ TV out or a Wii U 2 w/ a portable Gamepad, it's new. You can't compare the announcements of tweaks w/ totally new hardware generation. That just doesn't make any sense.
So basically, at closer inspection, that entire comment, while on topic, is full of wholes.
@rjejr Well, yes and no. He makes some mistakes, but the announcement of the Xbox One S did come almost literally out of nowhere, and who knows, perhaps a number of leaks concerning the NX are also true. Only difference is no pics, but there weren't any pictures of the NEO either, only a vague sketch some employee of Foxconn made.
My point was basically just that, besides the missing pictures or drawings, (not counting the wonky EuroGamer ones) there is just as much info floating around about NX as there is/was about all the new models Playstation and Xbox.
And thanks but no thanks. No interest whatsoever in a Sony website. I'll just take your word for it.
And most of it was also posted here anyway, so they're familiar messages.
And by the way, the internet/YouTube is FINALLY catching on to the message in that secret picture that I sent you:
@rjejr As you can clearly tell from that video, the denial is stubborn, even though the video is called "Nintendo NX Possibly Not a Hybrid Device After All?"...
But you know, I'm kind of done with all this. Tired of an intensive week both professionally and privately, what with all the digging and relaying messages and all. So I'll just wait it out now, and let myself be surprised, mainly in hopes of dedicated devices and more importantly: good games. And enough of them, instead of another drought...
Meanwhile, I'm going to scour YouTube for any videos that are actually entertaining without having anything to do with video game systems.
I guess there's a chance that you might have already seen these on TV, but if not, they're well worth a watch and personally, these are some of my favorites. And for us older guys it's at least recognizable. You'll understand when you watch them.
You can even share these with the missus, she might just like some of it...
@ThanosReXXX " is that video game consoles are Nintendo's core business, so OF COURSE I expect them to release another one, "
NES 60 mil
SNES 50 mil
N64 33 mil
Gamecube 22 mil
Wii 100 mil (or as I like to call it, Wii Sports, thats' what sold)
Wii U 13 mil
If Kimishima has half a brain he'll see the writing on the wall and not release another money loosing project, another home console. Their core business is making "games", not "consoles" as you said. They make new hardware every 5 years or so, they make new games about every month or so, that's a ratio of about 50-1 software to hardware. Games, not consoles.
Pokemon Go, which they didn't make, made $500 mil. What will Super Mario Run make? How much did ACNL make compared to AC:aF? (I honestly don't know, but I'm guessing everything I own ACNL made more.)
Nintneod has historically made 2 sets of games - handheld and home. Why not drop home and make 2 sets of games, handheld and mobile, when you know those 2 will make money?
And why did you so summarily dismiss my Vita Wii U comparison? They are both game playing hardware, I think it's valid. And it also leads way to the future, which by dismissing the comparison I think you missed.
You said Sony should just make a streaming device, not a new handheld. Well, by that same reasoning, shouldn't Ntineod just make a streaming device, from the handheld to the TV, for it's more successful handheld games division? Vita 2 isn't a Vita handheld, it's a streaming device, Wii U 2 isn't a console, it's a wireless NX Player streaming dock. Like PS TV but w/o being a gimped piece of garbage.
It isn't abut the hardware, it's about the gmaes. Ninteod can make mor emoney w/ handheld adn mobile than they can w/ home an dhandheld. And they ar esmart - make their own succesful handheld hardware, but go 3rd party w/ Apple and Google, not Sony and MS. They get to play 1 side against the other. OK, not really that cliche, maybe beating MS and Sony at their own game? No, no that one either. Oh I give up. But Apple has deep pockets. Google/Alphabet has deep pockets. Sony and MS do not have a handheld. Home console is a losing proposition, everything else is a money maker for them.
Edit - somewhere in there Wii U was changed to Wii U 2 b/c it made no sense
@ThanosReXXX Watched that vid - never did see that pic remember, just a big blue box - but this guy is saying it's a hyrbird, you were just telling me your contact confirmed a home. (oh great, now that's another post I need to delete) Are you trying to confuse me on purpose, b/c I really don't need any help in that department.
Though maybe I'm just a few vids behind. But I am confused. I know you gave up on something special, don't tell me your giving up on a home too?
@rjejr Woah! Hold on there, my friend, didn't mean to push any buttons, but you do have to compare correct markets with each other if you want to make a point valid, so comparing a handheld to a home console is not the ticket.
My point about core business or not also stands, so no: they should definitely not just make a streaming device. They're not the same beast as Sony or Microsoft, and that may very well be the reason why they always sail their own course and don't care what others do, let alone allow themselves to be led by that.
If your core business is making these kinds of devices, then you can't just go and put all that aside and make a little box that only provides streaming services. That would not be beneficial to their brand or to their future.
And just because they make more games than systems, that doesn't mean that it is their core business; it's the total package. They NEED the games to keep people on THEIR platforms, but allow me to rephrase: for them, it's their ONLY business, contrary to Sony and Microsoft.
And the official and complete label they have is "video game company providing electronic entertainment". Games in and of themselves aren't electronic. Neither discs or cartridges work on their own or give off any energy, ergo: the systems they provide that can actually play these games truly is their core business, although games are obviously a factor in completing that picture of the official label that describes them.
And yeah... they surely did make some big mistakes along the way, but one big success can put them back in the saddle again and I firmly believe that they will put every effort into making NX be that thing that puts them back up there.
They don't have to be number one either, just run a course with a decent enough profit to both stay relevant and royally afloat, preferably even a bit better than that, but it'll be enough for them to build on towards more devices in that unified architecture code named NX.
I did not say that Sony should just make a streaming device, what I actually said was "in hindsight it probably doesn't even have to be a dedicated handheld, just a streaming device a la Nvidia Shield, that can stream PS4 games at home and on the go."
So I just theorized on what it COULD be, not on what it HAS to be.
But yes: in the end it's of course always about the games, which is also what I said in the previous comments.
Last point: I've seen you mention Apple buying them several times, but that is not something I see happening, like ever. And neither do I see Google in their future, other than some of their games being released on iOS and Android, which is and will remain a means of luring people towards their dedicated devices, NOT to expand their smart platform business. They wouldn't like putting their full triple A titles on these platforms at ALL, because it would still be drowned in a lot of mediocre and sub-mediocre stuff because there's just so much on there.
The very reason why probably most people on here couldn't name EA's or Ubisoft or Konami's biggest game on mobile, and they do have them. They earn them money, so it's somewhat of a good investment, but it isn't even a fifth of their total income in making and publishing games, so that should tell you something.
And the smart device market is also fickle, so it may be good now, but you never know where it's gonna end up in a couple of years. I honestly won't ever see it grow into a full blown triple A gaming platform to threaten either console or PC gaming to a point that it will be the reason that any of the three current parties will step down and quit the business, or at least not in my conscious lifetime. One party might step down eventually, but smart devices won't be the reason.
And we can't decide yet what will make Nintendo more money, since we (annoyingly) still don't know what NX is yet and how it will do in the current market, so I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer and see how that turns out to be able to pass a verdict on that.
@ThanosReXXX Good luck giving up trying to figure out what NX is. I say that every night, then every morning first thing I'm on here looking for clues and thinking about what it could be. Next thing I know it's lunchtime. And I'm still 159 emails behind.
@rjejr Lunchtime? You're in NYC, right? If so, just add 6 hours and you'll know in what hour of the day I'm living...
@rjejr And have you seen the latest vid from The Know?
Ashley and companion tell it like it is where the "NX destroying" PS4 Pro is concerned:
I know you know better, but some other people we were talking to the other day should really go and see this to get a reality check...
I could see any one or a combination of those methods working so long as Nintendo understand clearly who their target audiences are and tailor make targeted campaigns towards them. A successful message is what NX needs to have to connect.
A Direct would be great, but tailor make that message to existing fans for eg. You're not going to reach the masses by using a Direct. But, they could add to any campaign by having a Direct that builds on a reveal to existing Nintendo platform owners - who are the main audience there.
Whatever combinations they choose, each one needs to know its audience and how to reach them. In other words the message needs to be clear and simple. And, it needs to be direct to each audience it's targeting.
@rjejr So, how are you getting on with that email backlog of yours?
I'm not going to be of any help to you in that regard (still waiting to see the responses on my PS4 Pro related comment above this one and the comments in the "NX is going to have a share button" article) because there's some new stuff to be had from HNF:
First off, there's a new NX video (and cut that volume if you watch it later in the evening, or actually: always cut the volume, I certainly do)
But perhaps a better option which is now available, is his newly created blog. Several people have requested this of him, and so he decided to make one.
So if you wish you can skip all the craziness from now on and just read all the info neatly arranged in single posts instead of cut up and scattered in between psychedelic YouTube videos...
Here's that page:
http://happynintendofan.blogspot.nl
And another thing: kinda funny and also totally unrelated, but he also makes games, which I never would have guessed, but in his latest video he showed an example:
And you guessed it: mind the volume...
Game page:
http://www.kongregate.com/games/minilimostudio/mini-astronaut
And underneath it, there's a tab that says "more from this developer".
@ThanosReXXX Guy is very artistic, I'd suspect he'd make some great games. My problem is I like to keep my games and my conspiracy theories seperate. Think I'll make more use of his blog than his videos, he certainly seems to know stuff. I'll keep watching all of Ashleys vids though.
@ThanosReXXX 158 emails still, but I'm pretending those don't exist.
And I agree with them on PS4 Pro, may get a Slim instead. May the best Black Friday sale win.
@rjejr Yeah, I thought you might like seeing all his musings neatly ordered into single page lists, so you can at least make some sense of it instead of having to listen to loud music and seeing Zohan, Batman and Jack Nicholson fragments all the time...
Ah, Black Friday. That is something that we don't have over here...
I'll just take some kind of info from nintendo, anything ?? they are taking WAY too long to talk about the nx or the handheld
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