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Mario Kart Month: Expanding the Universe of Mario Kart

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Nintendo Kart?

Back in December, Nintendo showed off a cleverly deceptive trailer for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS that briefly showed Kirby pulling off some audacious Warp Star moves in Mario Kart's Rainbow Road. Of course, that trailer turned out to be the reveal of Rosalina and Luma for Super Smash Bros., just another fun joke pulled by the ever-playful Masahiro Sakurai. But surely that small glimpse of another Nintendo great riding alongside the main stars of Mario Kart turned some heads and made some people think: with the myriad worlds and characters at the Big N's disposal, it seems the potential for expanding the Karting universe is limitless.

This is, naturally, not the first time such a concept has been discussed among fans of the revered series. In fact, despite the seemingly guaranteed success of bringing other Nintendo properties on board the Kart phenomenon — whether as courses, characters, or both — many fans express concern and even outright revulsion at the concept level. After all, there is something more than a little silly about the idea of Ganondorf tossing bananas to take down Baby Daisy in Cheep Cheep Beach. As obvious as the potential is for Nintendo to grow the universe of Mario Kart, just as obvious is the necessity for Nintendo to do so in a way that respects and does justice to each franchise it brings on board — we have had occasional spin-off racing games in past generations, too, though we're proposing a more direct tie-in here.

To those who doubt Nintendo's ability to pull such a feat off, the evidence already stands: Nintendo values its properties above all else, and crossing universes isn't something the company takes lightly. Case in point, the legendary Subspace Emissary mode in Super Smash Bros. Brawl brought more than 15 different universes together for a truly epic non-canon outing. Did it require a willing suspension of disbelief? Absolutely. Was it awesome? You bet — and to see the characters interacting and fighting alongside each other in a story mode was much less jarring than anyone probably expected. If Nintendo were to bring more of its stars and worlds to Mario Kart, it's a guarantee that great care would be taken in making sure that the style and substance of each would match the surrounding elements; these are, after all, the things that make Nintendo what it is.

Concerns aside, there are many potential benefits to an expansion of the Karting world. For one thing, a character roster featuring stars like Link, Kirby, and Pikachu would eliminate the need for "filler" characters that have plagued many of Mario's non-platformer outings. As wonderful as Pink Gold Peach and Baby Rosalina are, it's not hard to imagine more exciting replacements that — to be blunt — have actually appeared in some form or another in a Nintendo game prior. Besides all that, just the idea of flying through tracks as your favourite Ninty alumni is enough to send fans into a tizzy.

Equally as tantalizing is the idea of adding vehicles from other games — either themed or ripped straight from the source — to Mario Kart. Immediately, one might imagine storming DK Jungle, knocking aside other racers with a Kart-ified Landmaster from Star Fox. Or perhaps piloting a miniature version of Samus Aran's Gunship while hurtling through space in Rainbow Road. Nintendo's developers have more than enough imagination to make ideas like this work, and that's without even considering the original concepts they might concoct for franchises bereft of memorable mechanical vehicles. Epona may not have had wheels, but perhaps she could pop some wheelies as a model for a bike's design. It's this sort of name-dropping that makes players go nuts, and really, who doesn't want a bike with a horse's head? Okay, maybe a lot of people.

Some of the most fun nods to Nintendo's beloved franchises in Super Smash Bros. come in the form of items — just recently, with the Wii U and 3DS iterations, we've seen numerous additions (Skyward Sword's Beetle, Kid Icarus' X Bomb) showing the best of baddie-bashing goodies the Big N has to offer. By extension, it should make any Kart fan giddy to think of the potential mayhem afforded by items coming from other famed Nintendo properties. Imagine approaching the finish line, only to have that sneak Waluigi pull out in front of you. Now imagine using the Hookshot to yank him back to your current position, sending him tumbling behind while you zoom across the finish line. This is just one of many potential chaos-causing elements that could be brought on board from Nintendo's storied history of zany weaponry.

Of course, like any racing game, all elements are subservient to the courses the racers find themselves on. So too is the way expanding Mario Kart's total universe works: as wonderful as additional vehicles, characters, and items are, it's really the tracks that would make Nintendo buffs the most excited about picking up a controller and having a go. From Hyrule Field to the Chozo Ruins to Pikmin's Distant Planet, the amount of locales ripe for racing action is staggering. As with characters, this might alleviate the "generic" nature of some tracks and provide more memorable set pieces to experience. Swerving to avoid Snagrets, taking out Bokoblins with bananas and cruising through Keese-infested caves would be a treat for all but the most jaded video game fanatic.

It's a shame that some people might scoff at the very idea of Mario Kart being blended with other franchises; it's a task the company's talented developers are more than equipped to handle. Over the course of three decades, Nintendo has brought smiles to the faces of gamers everywhere with their games' personalities, worlds, and stories — all done with nearly limitless charm. Even if the Big N never decides to go the route set out by Super Smash Bros. and expand Mario Kart's universe, it's impossible to deny the fun a longtime fan can have simply driving down memory lane and imagining a world where Poo and Ghirahim can get in on the crazy Kart chaos. One can only dream.

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Dr_Corndog

#1

Dr_Corndog said:

I might be in favor of a full-fledged Nintendo Kart if it meant booting Baby Rosalina from the roster.

Whopper744

#2

Whopper744 said:

I am really torn on this idea. I kind of like that this franchise can focus heavily on Mario instead of the others since that's what Smash Bros is for honestly. But, I do have a lot of love for other Nintendo franchises as well...

Gerbwmu

#5

Gerbwmu said:

While I'm not a huge fan of the baby characters.....I also don't have a need for other Nintendo universes to be in Mario Kart. There are many lesser characters, especially from the evil crony side of things that can be used to expand the character list.

What I would be in favor of though is team sports with the teams being made up from individual Nintendo universes and playing against each other world cup style.

Tops

#6

Tops said:

You don't have to add in characters from other franchises to avoid 'filler' characters. That makes it sound like the Mario world is lacking in characters; it isn't. Especially when they have to cut great characters like Diddy Kong and Bowser Jr. for Baby Rosalina and PGP

MrMario02

#8

MrMario02 said:

I would buy Nintendo Kart. Especially, if 3rd party characters like sonic would get in. :)

FattyWhale_42

#9

FattyWhale_42 said:

That's what they could use DLC for,

The Legend of Zelda pack: Hyrule Cup, 4 courses, 4 characters (Link, Zelda Gannon, Sheik?), 4 karts.

Insert Nintendo franchise here: etc.

HylianJowiStaff

#10

HylianJowi said:

@Rosalina Donkey Kong is still technically part of the Mario universe; Mario and Donkey Kong shared their first game together!

BLPs

#11

BLPs said:

I'm in for the idea. Super Smash Kart sounds good.

I mean if SEGA can pull it off rather seamlessly, then why can't Nintendo? Or is that just Nintendo fans like seeing everything separate?

Sony proved this idea can work too. Sony Smash Bros. proved that worlds can even collide in a stage and honestly watching Kratos beat up Ratchet is fun. It's not about being believable but rather FUN. Key word here is as long as it is fun, there shouldn't be an issue. In Smash I don't think Pikachu fighting Sonic is weird, because it is there simply to have fun.

That's also the purpose of video games guys, remember that.

Captain-Falcon

#12

Captain-Falcon said:

@FattyWhale_42 Just an honest question:

why do people seem to want DLC to be made, I don't want to pay extra money for content that is mostly useless. If it were free updates then sure but the recent surge of need for DLC in Nintendo life is not a good thing IMO

DreamyViridi

#13

DreamyViridi said:

Mario Kart with a couple of guest characters/tracks? Sure, I could tolerate it. Nintendo Kart concept on paper? No thanks. Maybe I'd like it in the end if it does actually happen, but right now I can do without. It'd have to be done really well.

Janfeae

#15

Janfeae said:

I'm positive it will happen in my lifetime (I'm 20).

Nintendo themed karts, characters, and race tracks? Far too much potential.

Kaze_Memaryu

#16

Kaze_Memaryu said:

Oh god, please not!
The idea behind Mario Kart is the easygoing and carefree fun. That not only applies to the players, but to the characters in Mario Kart as well. All of these characters have fun in their free time, and are funny in some way or another to begin with.
The characters of the Mario universe also share their love for sports-based competition, so it stands to reason they do this. And other funny characters from Nintendo would probably join in as soon as they get an invitation.

But there are characters which would destroy this entire formula. If Nintendo were to add in serious, no-nonsense characters like Link, Fox, or even Samus, the entire Mario Kart impression would go from funny to ridiculous - in a bad way.

How's that? Brawl worked well, right?
Brawl's Subspace Emissary Mode is a different horse altogether. It was a serious story about saving the world(s). Even the funniest characters can be serious when required. And that story certainly was serious, even flat-out grim at times.
But making serious characters participate in funny activities is impossible without either deconstructing them or removing most credibility from them. They don't have time for this, they gotta do more serious stuff. And if there's no reason for a character to go karting with Bowser, then they absolutely shouldn't!

FattyWhale_42

#17

FattyWhale_42 said:

@Captain-Falcon How is it mostly useless? DLC allows Nintendo the ability to add content that would otherwise never exist. Games are limited by a budget, so there's only so much they can add in a game. DLC allows the people that would like more content, the opportunity to purchase it.

I'd love a $100 Mario Kart, if it had $100 worth of content. But a lot of people wouldn't be able to afford it all at once, quite as easily. This way it breaks up the price, and makes it optional. If you don't want it, then nobody's going to make you buy it.

Gerbwmu

#18

Gerbwmu said:

@Captain-Falcon - Depends on the game and the DLC. For something like Mario Kart that has one entry per generation, I don't have a problem with it assuming the original game is complete and the DLC is just added content for those who want it. I think for Mario Golf on 3DS the extra course DLC is amazing if you love the game. More Options for courses and it extends the life of the game, but as much as I love the Fire Emblem series.......I felt no need to purchase the DLC for awakening though I am on my 3rd play though.

beautifulstrong

#20

beautifulstrong said:

Kart racing works with Mario because it's MARIO. If it could work with other franchises, we would already have games like LoZ tennis or Starfox strikers.
A nintendo kart game would feel like SEGA's racing, a lot of characters I don' t care if I race with and one or two that I do.

absuplendous

#21

absuplendous said:

Did the Yabuki interview's click-bait subtitle not rouse enoguh rabble? Expanding Mario Kart to include all Nintendo franchises is unnecessary, and would make the game far too busy; I find the game to be laden with options already, and throwing more items and vechicles into the mix would feel like overkill. We already have enough Nintendo orgy/fan pandering in Smash Bros (and now the NES Remix series). Another such title would diminish Smash's allure.

There's a reason why the Mario franchise plays host to Nintendo's sports and party games. Mario was designed to be a character who could feature in any game; Link and Samus and Little Mac were not. I'm all for replacing the baby and gold characters, but the Mario universe has enough to bring in, from WarioWare and Donkey Kong's cast of characters to NPCs like the oft-forgotten Pauline and Captain Syrup. But then, the fact that several past Mario Kart characters were cut from the game suggests that rather than Mario Kart suffering from a lacking roster, it has an overabundance.

Is this News? I'd call it a Talking Point, but since the article itself poo-poos anyone with a dissenting opinion...

LUIGITORNADO

#22

LUIGITORNADO said:

...Honestly? No.

I don't mind if they add Kirby, but it would feel like a slight if they added Star Fox, Fzero, and Zelda (really?) characters.

Keep it Mario Kart.

Goginho

#23

Goginho said:

No time, and quite frankly, no intention in reading this, but I can assume what it's about...and I simply say no. Just, simply no :-/

HylianJowiStaff

#25

HylianJowi said:

@absuplendous I wasn't poo-pooing anyone with a dissenting opinion, so I'm sorry it came across that way to you. This is merely a fun piece speculating on what benefit Mario Kart might gain from adding additional worlds to its roster; the parts you're referencing are to assure people that Nintendo could find a way to handle such a risky idea. By no means am I demanding people agree with me — it's a proposal that meets a lot of resistance for some pretty understandable reasons.

Captain-Falcon

#28

Captain-Falcon said:

@Gerbwmu @FattyWhale_42 - Characters are not worth the money, they are just animations with tiny weight tweaks. The way DLC is done is not right, most games you have to pay £8-10 which is a 1/3 or a 1/4 of the original game price. The DLC probs took a month to produce and does not have 1/4 of the original games content.

The problem is that if people keep begging for DLC then publishers will think it is OK to half finish a game and then flesh it out with DLC. I'd rather wait a month and get that extra content with the game. If devs want to keep people playing their game give out updates.

faint

#29

faint said:

@Captain-Falcon it's about choice. You don't have to buy it and it's a way to add to mario kart till the end of the generation. I haven't gotten the pikmin dlc but would buy mario kart dlc. The is choice.

FattyWhale_42

#30

FattyWhale_42 said:

When people are more concerned about the reason, behind the logic, in regards to a fictional characters personal motivation, with what something is named, instead of just having fun, it makes me sad.

Captain-Falcon

#31

Captain-Falcon said:

@faint - i guess, im all for expansion packs but DLC's just seem like a waste of money. But if people want it then thats your choice.

How about an MK8 expansion pack for like £20 on the eshop, with a whole 32 new tracks? If it was done in a way like blizzard do expansion packs id love it (Diablo reaper of souls, SC2 heartr of the storm)

AtlanteanMan

#32

AtlanteanMan said:

I think that if Nintendo handled it in a somewhat similar way to how Sega has done their Sonic and All-Stars Racing games (which are surprisingly great, by the way, with TONS of awesome tracks that evoke serious nostalgia), they could pull off a multi-franchise karting game; in fact it could be to karting what the Smash Bros. series has been to fighting games.

No, it wouldn't necessarily mean you'd see Ganondorf lobbing bananas; instead each character would have recognizable items unique to them and/or their world/game. Mario and friends would retain the tried and true item set, while for example Link might have his own version of the boomerang, his bomb flowers, and could fire magic projectiles using the Wand. Fox McCloud's kart could fire lasers, and Samus could drop rows of bombs to deter players behind her. Advance Wars' Andy could ride a tank and fire area-effect rounds. Each character would, just as in Smash Bros., have their own style.

But the worlds/tracks would be the real attraction. Just imagine a Zelda-themed track careening through the Kokiri forest or Death Mountain's volcano, all while environmental changes and background characters interacted with the racers during each lap (maybe even forcing changes to the track layouts themselves like in Sonic and All-Stars Racing: Transformed). Ridley could menace the karts as they fly through subterranean passages in a Metroid-themed level, while karts might whiz through a grand-scale battle in a Fire Emblem level.

These are just a few ideas...and what if Nintendo ever decided to do a kart collaboration with Sega to bring the two franchises and their respective concepts/characters/worlds together? Somehow I think that would sell more than a few Wii Us.

blodermoder

#33

blodermoder said:

Don't want Nintendo kart. ROB was fine, Kirby ok, Captain Falcon is my limit. I don't even want to think about adding Link, Samus, Pit or any other universe.
Just continue make more varied race tracks and bring back Birdo, Bowser Jr, Dry Bones and Diddy Kong. Add Pauline, Capt. Syrup, Mona, Ashley, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong and then we're done. Make new cups so we can have 5 standard cups and 5 retro cups

outburst

#34

outburst said:

Nah. I'd rather see another mashup game which is not Kart racing or fighting. Anyone played Konami's World on Famicom or NES? I'd like to see one for Nintendo. MAYBE a MMO RPG.

DestinyMan

#35

DestinyMan said:

Why does no one consider that Captain Falcon would be forced to be nerfed and drive a vastly underpowered Blue Falcon? That would be quite the downgrade for the Captain.

I have to admit that the idea of Nintendo Kart sounds cool and funny, but in reality, I would have concerns if it could really work. I could definitely see Pit racing in the Beetle and Kirby on his Warp Star, but I don't know what to think about Link racing on a Epona bike.

Right now, I'd be fine with a guest character or two like Kirby. But Mario Kart should remain Mario Kart and only have a roster that goes as far as the Donkey Kong and Wario characters. The Mario universe does have plenty of characters to draw from.

HawkeyeWii

#36

HawkeyeWii said:

I kind of like the idea, but what would Link and the other Zelda characters drive? Horses...?? Seems a little odd....

Chard5001

#37

Chard5001 said:

I just want Magikoopa. Ever since I saw him in a Nintendo Power screenshot of MK64. Sigh.

absuplendous

#38

absuplendous said:

@HylianJowi I'm glad you see that the opposition has some merit, but if I were to say "It's a shame that some people might not realize how much of what people love about Mario Kart would be lost in the process," wouldn't that come off as dismissive?

On that note, Kart would indeed lose a lot. To make room for the other franchises, lots of Mario Kart tracks, items and characters--more than just the filler characters--would have to go. If we were starting fresh, that might not be so bad, but Mario Kart has a long legacy. Reinventing it just 'cause would bring at least as much harm to the table as it may bring good.

Haywired

#39

Haywired said:

A definite no to the idea from me. As I said in the previous article, Mario Kart should be kept in the Mario universe. Smash Bros. crossover works; Link, Samus, etc. in combat, makes sense. Link, Samus, etc. in wacky go-kart racing, no thanks. Also, as @absuplendous said, it would devalue the appeal of Smash Bros. itself. Smash Bros. should be the only mass Nintendo crossover. That's a huge part of what makes it so special. If all Nintendo franchises became messy, nonsensical crossovers it would be horrible.

However, yesterday @ThreadShadow mentioned that it could work in the style of Nintendo Land as its style is very separate and removed from the actual franchises themselves and their (at the risk of sounding pretentious) canon. This I suppose would be acceptable.

Gerbwmu

#40

Gerbwmu said:

@Captain-Falcon - I agree.....to me characters are not worth it. In general I don't buy DLC. But I would consider track packs for Mario Kart. I know I'm playing it for the next 5 years or so.
DLC is a tricky subject. I get why people are against it but it all comes down to the consumers. If you buy what has value and ignore the lesser DLC then it is a win win for both consumer and producer.....unfortunately most of the market in gaming is based on what is cool/fashionable so we are probably on the losing end of this.

Gma-X

#42

Gma-X said:

I really don't see that working. Kirby could be added, maybe Ness, but you can't have Link and Zelda racing in a modern kart... The Mario Universe is one where vibrant colors and an overall good feeling are the soul of the games. That is what makes the Mario Kart games so attractive as well. Adding serious characters from 'darker' worlds like LoZ just wouldn't fit.

I like the incentive, but I don't see it working. I would much rather see an extension in cups, along with more and diverse characters.

WiiULoveSquid

#43

WiiULoveSquid said:

The brilliance of Nintendo is that they do leave some things to the imagination, they don't just mash everything together for one big effect to drive sales as soon as they can conceive it. No doubt they have considered a broader game and we'll see it yet.

allav866

#44

allav866 said:

Personally, I think this sounds like its own title rather than an entry in the Mario Kart franchise. I like where Mario Kart has come over the years, and wouldn't want to lose customizable karts for the sake of riding a Landmaster tank.

unrandomsam

#48

unrandomsam said:

I wish Mario Kart had the Warioware Wario and characters from that. Mona is skilled with Banana Skins already. I don't like being reminded of how similar the mushroom kingdom is each time. I would like it even more if different characters had totally different play mechanics. (Air Ride Kirby for example). Change Mario Kart from something I am only getting because of the free game to something I am bothered about. Pacman should be in it also.

HylianJowiStaff

#51

HylianJowi said:

@Nabecoat Naw, I meant Poo. The dude from Mother. But I can see that it looks a bit bizarre out of context ;)

@absuplendous I wasn't so much going for dismissive as asking others to at least give the idea a second thought, but I see what you mean. Regardless, this is definitely a theoretical opinion piece — take it for what you will, and feel free to disagree (as you have)! :) After all, this stuff is SUPPOSED to inspire discussion, and you make a solid point about the series losing its identity in transition. I'd never claim to know what's best for Nintendo's illustrious franchises. :D

erv

#52

erv said:

Nope. Mario kart is its own brand and a catalyst for any hardware as such, so nope.

And I'm glad for it, btw.

gatorboi352

#53

gatorboi352 said:

It's pretty sad that fans of Nintendo (like the bloggers at NintendoLife and the details of this article) come up with better ideas for games than Nintendo themselves. STOP PLAYING IT SO DAMN SAFE, NINTENDO.

DBPirate

#54

DBPirate said:

Smash Kart, not Nintendo characters in Mario Kart is what I think should happen. No Link, no Samus, no Kirby in Mario Kart 9. There can be Link and Samus and Kirby in Smash Kart. I still want to see only Mario characters racing on only Mario tracks. Smash Bros. characters can race on Smash Bros. tracks.

shonenjump86

#55

shonenjump86 said:

I'm fine if Nintendo made a Racing game with with all their big franchise, just don't call it Mario Kart. But then again, why not just make a new F Zero game? Oh, Nintendo should make a new Wave Race game. I want a new Wave Race game.

unrandomsam

#58

unrandomsam said:

@gatorboi352 Its not surprising really judging by the views of most people here. (But the second Nintendo actually says they are going to do something then its automatically the best thing ever). See the general consensus around Windwaker before and after the remake was announced.

RFox182

#59

RFox182 said:

@vamkar hahahahahahhahahaha made my day and @allav866 totally agree....this idea Nintendo Kart is awesome and has endless possibilities that any Nintendo fan would love but it should be its own game entry...no need at all to mess with Mario kart

Captain_Toad

#61

Captain_Toad said:

Something as simple as stunt race fx, excitebike 64, F-1 Race, mach rider, or other racer long forgotten is good enough 4 me. this kind'll work. I don't see something as big as your suggestions happening anytime soon but time'll tell.

Grumblevolcano

#62

Grumblevolcano said:

It would only be good if it's renamed to something like Smash Kart and with that they vary the characters and courses (kind of like Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed).but making very few tracks based on the Mario, DK and Yoshi universes (1 each if that).

HappyMaskedGuy

#63

HappyMaskedGuy said:

I think that introducing non-nintendo characters to smash bros took away a good deal of its purity and power as a franchise (compare Melee to Brawl), so NO, leave your hairbrained idea out of this, dilution would harm Mario Kart as a pure, working and consistently exciting formula.

Go play Sega or Sony's 'brilliant' multi universe multiplayer games if you want such watery nonsense.

Diddy_kong

#64

Diddy_kong said:

I'd certainly prefer a 'Nintendo Kart' to a Mario Kart/Sonic racing game crossover.

I agree that there is potential here, and I'm sure that Nintendo would be smart about it. Kirby or Link appearing in Mario Kart certainly seems better than Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach...

Bass_X0

#65

Bass_X0 said:

I really don't see that working. Kirby could be added, maybe Ness, but you can't have Link and Zelda racing in a modern kart...

If Link and Zelda wouldn't work in a All Nintendo Kart game then they don't work in Smash Bros. which is the same idea but fighting instead of racing.

Any character who works in Smash Bros. would work in Nintendo Kart.

Toodles

#67

Toodles said:

I like the idea of Nintendo Racing, since I prefer Mario Kart to Smash Bros and would love to see something that combined the best of both worlds. That said, I don't want to see other Nintendo characters in Mario Kart itself. I'd much rather a Nintendo racing game be a separate and distinct game. Probably would have to be a little less goofy than Mario Kart to accommodate the various characters.

pigwarts5ever

#68

pigwarts5ever said:

I really hope they release different track sets (from zelda,kirby,pikmin,metroid,etc.) in the form of dlc. I would not mind at all paying extra for that.

Kaze_Memaryu

#69

Kaze_Memaryu said:

@Randomname19 And you need me to tell you just how insanely ridiculous and pathetic that looks for him? Especially considering what a masterpiece Shenmue was! But thanks for the glaring example!

PvtOttobot

#73

PvtOttobot said:

Let's all just admit here that SaSASRT had NO respect for it's characters and (besides maybe the Sonic franchise) decreased the standing of the franchises that took part. I don't want Nintendo to do this unless they radically change Kart into something more serious and respectful like Smash.

PvtOttobot

#74

PvtOttobot said:

@XiBTWU What is the point in people like you? Go moan about your failure to buy the correct game for yourself somewhere else.

OneBagTravel

#75

OneBagTravel said:

There are plenty of untapped characters in the Mario universe that they can add in before going this route. The baby setup in MK8 is ridiculous and a waste of IP.

NoUsernameHere

#76

NoUsernameHere said:

I don't care what the hell people say, Nintendo Kart would be flipping amazing. Give it to us Nintendo, my body is always ready.

TruenoGT

#77

TruenoGT said:

I'd like to see a new racing franchise personally (or least radical reinvention of an old, forgotten one). I feel the continued inbreeding of Nintendo's mega properties will only further ostracize gamers who aren't familiar with (or aren't fans of) Nintendo's stable of characters. Nintendo's at their best when they make something new, and catering to fan demands and fan service really hamstrings the developers to meet impossible expectations.

noctowl

#79

noctowl said:

It's just a matter of time. There's not really any reason not to include them. It's limiting and restrictive. Enjoy MK8 while you got it because Samus riding a cart version of her ship and using a item from star fox is coming to a Nintendo system near you!

Bass_X0

#80

Bass_X0 said:

I feel the continued inbreeding of Nintendo's mega properties will only further ostracize gamers who aren't familiar with (or aren't fans of) Nintendo's stable of characters.

So you don't like smash bros then?

JaxonH

#81

JaxonH said:

I feel it's going to be a natural progression, and is most likely the direction the series will take next time.

We've hit HD- we're at the graphical height of the franchise. From here on out it will expand outwards instead of upwards.

absuplendous

#82

absuplendous said:

@HylianJowi While I stand by points, I may have initially come off a bit aggressively in addressing them; so, my apologies, and my respect for responding affably.

One thing we can agree on is that the Kart cast could use expansion. There are many characters that could be included before resorting to baby versions of everyone. As I mentioned before, Pauline, Captain Syrup, and, say, Mona would help round out the female cast--and none of them would be princesses or monsters with tertiary sexual characteristics! Kamek, Jimmy T., and Wart would be welcome additions as well, though I'd omit Kamek since we have so many Koopas already.

DestinyMan

#83

DestinyMan said:

I think this article runs afoul in that it suggest this would be a Mario Kart entry. That's a huge no-no. Nintendo Kart would have to be its own entity and be much different than Mario Kart as far as racing mechanics.

But I still believe NIntendo should bring in more Mario universe characters first before they jump to outside characters.

TruenoGT

#84

TruenoGT said:

@Bass_X0 I think Smash Bros. is a good series, but it's a good example of how a game can fail to live up to fan expectations (e.g. people ragging on Brawl vs. Melee), and how those unmet expectations overshadow how the game is great on it's own merits. It's also a series where if you aren't a Nintendo mascot fan, it's probably not that exciting at the 4th edition. I just think Nintendo needs to focus more on trying to impress and appeal to more than just it's fan base. I'm not talking Wii Sports "blue ocean" appeal, but something like a "Goldeneye 007 moment" where ALL gamers took notice, not just Nintendo gamers.

HylianJowiStaff

#85

HylianJowi said:

@DestinyMan It doesn't have to be a Mario Kart title; while I did suggest such an idea in the article, I agree it would obviously be better as a differently (perhaps separately) branded opportunity — or, as others have suggested, it would serve well as optional DLC to supplement a Mario Kart game (thereby keeping the focus on the red plumber himself). With this being the month of Mario Kart, this seemed like an appropriate framing device — as I said before, it's more theoretical than a demand for Nintendo to make exactly what I say. :)

midnafanboy

#86

midnafanboy said:

The only thing i want is use drybones in a mario game that has not replaced him with a stupid baby character, can that happen maybe i think it's called DLC.

KoiTenchi

#87

KoiTenchi said:

@beautifulstrong

"A nintendo kart game would feel like SEGA's racing, a lot of characters I don' t care if I race with and one or two that I do."

So are you suggesting then that absolutely nothing would change if Nintendo added non-Mario characters?

Because what you just described is absolutely the situation now.

I mean, I like racing with Luigi, Yoshi, Dry Bones, etc, but know that I will never ever even bother doing one race with Baby Daisy, Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina, Etc. I could not care less about those characters and I know I am certainly not in the minority.

SuperMikey

#88

SuperMikey said:

YES! YES! DO IT! NOW!! In Mario voice WELCOME TO SUPEEEER KAAART BROTHEEEERS!!!
My reactions to the Rosalina for Smash trailer: KIRBY'S AIR RIDE 2!!! Rainbow Road?!? MARIO KART!?!? Kirby as a DLC character for Mario Kart?!? SMASH KART!?!?! AWESOME!! ROSALINA!!! lol (DK poking Kirby). Wait a sec, LUMA?! ("Rosalina and Luma Launch in!") AWWWWWWWWWWWW!! I thought it was Smash Kart!!! Then I just start to screaming in joy anyways due to Rosalina and Luma making the cut. XD

torotoid64

#89

torotoid64 said:

Smash kart roster
Mario
Baby Mario
Doctor mario
Golden white doctor mario
Luigi
Baby Luigi
Doctor Luigi
Peach
Baby Peach
Yoshi
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Wario
Rosalina
Captain Falcon
Baby Captain Falcon
Shining Blue baby Captain Falcon
Samus
Baby Samus
Marth
Ike
Pikachu
Pichu
Raichu
Charizard
Mega Charizard X
Mega Charizard Y
Charmander
Charmeleon
Lucario
Riolu
Mega Man
Mega Man X
Proto Man
Link
Toon Link
Kid Link
Bunny ears Link
Goron Link
Zelda/Shiek
Toon Zelda/Shiek
Tetra
Bronze Tetra
Ganon
Ganondorf
Toon Ganondorf
That pushmo guy
NOOOOO THANK YOU I wouldn't want to see that train wreck

MaverickHunterX

#90

MaverickHunterX said:

@Kaze_Memaryu

^^This guy, he gets it.
It's probably the best explanation on why a "Nintendo Kart" game simply would not work thematically.

And those of you that keep bringing up Sonic All-Star Racing, it didn't work there either. Hell, the whole game is based around "Sonic driving a car".

Yeah, the guy who RUNS fast enough to break the sound barrier, driving a car. That concept was broken from the get-go.

unrandomsam

#91

unrandomsam said:

@MaverickHunterX Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed is actually a good game. The only to win is to learn the tracks and be perfect. Just like any good game should be. The music is miles better the variety is miles better than NIntendo goes for which is like Groundhog Day. (I bet when I get Mario Kart 8 I don't even go off the track on whatever the hardest setting is with the max for top speed I can choose. No point in playing it further in that case).

KeatonTS

#92

KeatonTS said:

Whenever I think of this. it reminds me of one of those cheap racing games. with a bunch or random characters who dont need to race anyway.

Genesaur

#95

Genesaur said:

@TopLaytonsHat Straight up. I love the idea of seeing E. Gadd, especially. I could do with never seeing Baby Bowser in anything ever again, but I certainly get your point.

On the note of "Nintendo Kart," my vote is a resounding no.

MrGuinea

#96

MrGuinea said:

I have thought of this many times and I'm completely torn on the idea too. But I think after Mariokart 8 though, it might not be such a bad idea to test the waters by adding in kirby and link, and maybe a "warp star" cup, (see what I did there). Who knows, for all we know Nintendo could have been SUPER hush hush and actually have included kirby as the last unlockable character. But I think I would love it.

MrGuinea

#97

MrGuinea said:

@siconlol This is completely absurd. Nintendo would not do this. Especially since there's no need for that since there are LOADS of Nintendo characters.

drumsandperc92

#98

drumsandperc92 said:

@Kaze_Memaryu you're totally on point.
while the line in the article about using the hookshot to pull an opponent back made me gawk at the possibilities for a moment, you're comment brought me back to reality.
I had a thought while reading the article.
Mario Kart has always had a certain charm, an appeal that makes it a Mario game in the end.
It's exactly like what you said, the Mario universe games are charming, cartoony, light-hearted family fun, with goofy characters in brightly colored imaginative worlds.
Super Smash works because it's a fighting game, the act of fighting makes characters like Link and Samus feel right at home. And when you get into the Subspace Emissary, it worked because it was a more serious story, and it doesn't feel weird at all to see a more serious Mario.
Link, Ganon, Zelda, Samus, Fire Emblem characters, they have too many games with more serious tone and they'd feel out of place in Mario Kart. Sure, Toon Link MIGHT work, Link has had his fair share of goofy charm, and Kirby would certainly feel right at home, some like Fox and Captain Falcon might work too, but overall it's smart that Nintendo has kept it Mario Kart all along.
As much as I'd love to see a Nintendo Kart, perhaps it could be a special thing that's meant to exist separately from Mario Kart, as opposed to Mario Kart becoming Nintendo Kart from then on.
Also, i think it would take away from Super Smash.
And here's a big 'what if'....
how about a Super Smash with a kart racing mode? it could be more like vehicular combat, so like MK but more combat focused, but you still have to race to the finish. Maybe one day....

SakuraHaruka

#99

SakuraHaruka said:

Hmmm, Yes and No, Because some characters don't fit for this kind of game, will sound "rare" characters like Captain Falcon o Ganondorf driving a Kart o a Bike; but, in others characters, like Kirby, some Pokemon, Animal Crossing characters have a chance of fit in this.
However, although Nintendo promotes and develops this "game", how difficult is the "suspense" of companies: the acceptance and good sales from the public.

sleepinglion

#102

sleepinglion said:

Bring it on.
Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed was a hoot! I'd love to see Nintendo take a page from the SEGA book in a racing game.
Mod Nation Racers for the PS3 has some awesome (fan created, of course) Nintendo cars and racers. Some of the models are VERY creative.

AshFoxX

#103

AshFoxX said:

Throw in a cheat code letting me drive a hovering N64 controller like AeroGauge and I'm sold.

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Grumblevolcano

#104

Grumblevolcano said:

@MaverickHunterX The "Sonic driving a car" concept isn't ridiculous if you consider the water and flying sections. He can only fly either by Super Sonic if he has all 7 Chaos Emeralds and at least 50 rings or uses an external vehicle (e.g. Tails' Tornado in SA1). For water sections he'd need a large amount of rings to keep the boost meter filled (e.g. see Generations).

ThreadShadow

#105

ThreadShadow said:

Mario Kart should always remain Mario exclusive. I whole-heartedly support the idea of a 'Nintendo Land Racing' game though. It should be a celebration of everything Nintendo just like Smash Bros, and just like Sonic Allstars Racing is a great celebration of everything Sega.

Calling it 'Nintendo Land Racing' would allow for all the different characters and would align it nicely with Nintendo Land, creating a Nintendo Land franchise/series that allows for mass cross overs etc.of Nintendo properties.

StarDust4Ever

#106

StarDust4Ever said:

Forget Epona. I want to ride a turbo-charged Yoshi! :D

Also, the hookshot would make a brilliant item. Much better than that annoying Blooper Gooper. But the Hookshot could backfire. Imagine hooking someone with a power star. That wouldn't go too well for the person using the hookshot item, I'm afraid. :p

YoshiTails

#107

YoshiTails said:

Sonic and tails woud be great guest stars... as for everryone else e.g ganondorf, could work if heavily tooned up ;)

Jim_Purcell

#108

Jim_Purcell said:

I've wanted a 'Super Smash Bros Kart' since Smash64. So yeah. GIVE IT TO ME GOD DAMN IT.

And Smash Tennis and Smash Golf and Smash Party. Whatever!

Beechbone

#110

Beechbone said:

I would very much like to see some content inspired by other IP's in a similar way SEGA did DLC for latest Sonic. Hyrule Field track, anyone? Mario Kart Epic Yarn?

roryscott

#111

roryscott said:

I think this concept would work really well! :D
The NFC figures are meant to work on multiple games so I think they could do a racing game with the smash bros. characters.

Dodger

#112

Dodger said:

I think it could be cool, but keep it subtle. Add a few characters that are cartoony and light-hearted. Toon Link, Toon Zelda, Kirby and Pikachu, for example. Enough to stand out in the unlockable roster, not enough to change it into Smash Kart.

But I do think that Kat, Ana, Ashley, Captain Syrup, Pauline, Young Rosalina or Dixie Kong would have been better than PGP or Baby Rosalina. I get that they want female characters in the cast. Totally get that. Marvel is struggling with the same thing. So is SSB. But there have to be better options then Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina and Wendy.

Besides, if they had to invent new female characters, everybody knows that Waria and Waluigiette are much better.

rastamadeus

#113

rastamadeus said:

Do some themed levels from other series as DLC to test the water with fans would be the best bet. Or rather than having people moan that "Ganondorf doesn't suit Mario Kart" (Ganon would through) make it a different game to Mario Kart. Nintendo could surely have a second kart racing series.

Kirk

#114

Kirk said:

A full "Nintendo Racer" would be a great idea imo.

Mario Kart has already expanded way beyond just karts now anyway so why the hell not.

Go for a racing game with all different kinds of vehicles and race styles, from karts to Wave Race style jet-skis and F-Zero style hover crafts to planes that can fully fly through levels Diddy Kong Racing style etc, and all the different iconic Nintendo characters.

It could certainly work.

xerneas

#115

xerneas said:

I think a Nintendo racing game could be amazing if they implemented it well. At now it would probably be a too big game to make though. Also they'd need to nerf some vehicles lol I mean F-zero hover crafts would beat every car and horse hands down

Nomad

#116

Nomad said:

Just give me a SEGA version of Smash Bros and I'd be happy. Alex Kidd vs. Wonderboy vs. Ax Battler vs Altered Beast werewolf all fighting on a Panzer Dragoon stage with music from NiGHTS playing. Oh yeah!

Grumblevolcano

#117

Grumblevolcano said:

@Dodger Why the hate for Wendy? She's one of the Koopalings so if one of them is in the game then all of them deserve to be in the game. I do agree that Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach were bad choices though.

torotoid64

#118

torotoid64 said:

@MrGuinea there are LOADS of Mario Characters yet that didnt stop Baby Rosalina or Pink Gold Peach from making the roster, I'm just saying if there is a Nintendo Kart the last group of people I would want to see work on the roster is the MK8 team

elstif

#119

elstif said:

"Ganondorf tossing bananas to take down Baby Daisy in Cheep Cheep Beach"
LMAO

Kaze_Memaryu

#121

Kaze_Memaryu said:

@MaverickHunterX I wouldn't actually call SEGA out on that detail. Sonic is a pretty nice and funny guy as well, and he wouldn't say no to a sports challenge (at least I think he wouldn't). But the addition of characters like Ryo, Shinobi, or even Eggman seemed awfully out of character. That's what made me cringe a lot when I looked at the roster.

@drumsandperc92 I guess it would work if Smash Run was closer to Kirby's The Great Cave Offensive with points for each collected item and additional points for those who reach the goal earlier, but a racing game (even arena-based) would've died on N64, what with the popularity of Mario Kart (which still had arena-based combat modes) and F-Zero X.

Vhyper1985

#122

Vhyper1985 said:

Didn't Sumo (the guys behind Sonic All Stars Racing) tease something to do with Sonic & Mario a while back? Maybe DLC for MK9? But either way I think the roster could expand to other Nintendo franchises, heck guest characters like Sonic or Mega Man could work very well since both have had their own kart games in the past (Sonic All Stars & Mega Man Battle & Chase respectively) characters such as Samus & Link would be difficult to pull off without looking really odd....

Dodger

#125

Dodger said:

@Grumblevolcano

I don't rreally have a problem with Wendy being in the game. I just find it a bit disappointing that the entire unlockable roster consists of two invented characters and a whole lot of characters that are variations on the same Bowser-like theme. I guess I don't agree that one being in means that they all have to be in.

Which is both a big deal and not much of a deal at all. I spent a lot of time unlocking characters in single player in other MK games, especially MKWii. I already know that I don't want to play as any oftthe unlockable characters. So when I have the opportunity to get a wii u and MK 8, I probably won't bother much. I'll just stick with the characters I like and go online.

But I guess I can understand why somebody who has played a lot more Mario World and who actually liked NSMBW might be quite happy that those bosses from Mario World and NSMBW are all in the gang.

MrGuinea

#126

MrGuinea said:

@siconlol They were trying to make those who want to play as peach AND be in a high weight class be able to have a character. Yes silly. But people always want more characters. Some as ridiculous as obscure 3rd party characters.

Dodger

#127

Dodger said:

@MrGuinea I bet that was a weird discussion.
Fearless Leader: OK, development team, we have word that little girls want a character that is Princess Peach, but heavier.
Dev 1: Rosalina?
Leader: We already have her...
Creepy Dev: How about Fat Peach? I already made a character model in my spare time, just hoping for a moment like this... I based it off of a dream I had...
Leader: Does this man even work for us?
Dev 3: How about Metal Peach?
Leader: Not girly enough.
Dev 4: Gold Peach?
Leader: I like where you are going with that. Pink Gold Peach. Get on it.
All: Yes sir!

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