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Platinum: Nintendo Has Been The "White Knight" Behind Bayonetta 2's Development

Posted by Damien McFerran

Creative producer JP Kellams sings Nintendo's praises

Platinum's Hideki Kamiya has already stated in no uncertain terms that if it were not for Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 simply wouldn't exist, and now it's the turn of creative producer JP Kellams — the same guy who is sick to death of people begging for the game to come to other consoles — to back up that stance.

Kellams was speaking at UCF’s Center for Emerging Media last week, and also touched upon the reason for joining up with Nintendo for publishing duties. You can read the transcribed section of the video below.

Without getting into some stuff that is both business and confidential, the simple question I’d like to ask you is, ‘Do you want to play Bayonetta 2?’ Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo white knighting that project. So while I totally understand that people want to play it on the platforms that they’ve played it on previously, we really wanted to make Bayonetta 2.

But if you were going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, what publisher would you choose? Right, Nintendo. Right? So if you’re going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, the publisher that you want to be with is Nintendo because they know how best to service their audience and they’re going to do the best job of explaining your game to that platform. You very rarely see huge, major third-party successes on Nintendo platforms because it’s really hard to fight against Mario, right? It’s why Universal isn’t as big as Disney. I mean, it’s really hard to fight somebody on that kind of turf, so…

We really wanted to make Bayonetta 2. And Bayonetta 2 is a project that we were passionate about. And when we couldn’t… when the business situation changed and we couldn’t make it the way that we were originally planning on making it, we definitely wanted to make sure that our project survived. I’ve seen Bayonetta 2 – I look at it every single day of my life when I’m in the office. It’s really cool and the world is going to be a better place because Bayonetta 2 is in it.

I spend a lot of time on Twitter seeing people get really angry, ‘Why is it not on PS3 and 360?’ Right? So kind of the way it went was, ‘Why do we have to buy a Wii U for one game? Why isn’t it on PS3 or 360?’ And now that the Xbox One and the PS4 are out, it’s ‘Why isn’t it on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U.

And that’s cool, I mean maybe that system’s not for you, or maybe that platform isn’t what you want to play games on, but we really want to make Bayonetta 2 and we think it’s going to be a fun game and the people who do play it are going to really enjoy it and I think that we made the right decision to make sure that game survived. I mean I’d rather be in a world with Bayonetta 2 than without.

[via youtube.com, nintendoeverything.com]

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FullbringIchigo

#1

FullbringIchigo said:

well I'm getting it :-)

people really need to leave them alone it's not coming to other systems because nintendo paid for it and are publishing it so why would they put it on another system

and the people who don't want to play it on wii u just because it's wii u need to grow up it's the games that are important not the lump of plastic you put it in and in regards to the games nintendo offer the best in my opinion

erv

#4

erv said:

Nintendo releases bayonetta 2. The game is probably lots of fun. The vocal nintendo anti-publishers on the internets start buying a wii U just to play it. They bash the wii U. Then, reluctantly, get another game for it.

Before you know it, they won’t accept a “cool protagonist moves like a truck in newtons laws of physics” game in brown and green anymore, but actually want to have fun.

I think this scenario is something nintendo is willing to try with bayonetta 2. Or at least they should, however unlikely things may go down like this.

hendie001

#5

hendie001 said:

I think many people are missing out large on wii u. When i first picked mine up i will admit there were a few problems but look at the visuals it is pushing now. Bayonetta looks amazing and so does smash, kart and x.

Luffymcduck

#6

Luffymcduck said:

I laugh to everyone who doesn't want to buy Wii U for Bayonetta 2. I played the original on PS3 and while I'm sure it won't sell a lot on Wii U, I'll be on the buyers.:)

belmont

#7

belmont said:

I may gat it depending on the reviews but I will afraid that almost no one will buy it like what happened with Wonderful 101 and more "mature" titles like RE Revelations and Mirror of Fate. In the end they may also be some Director's Cut version on PS4 in 2 or 3 years.

Pit-Stain

#8

Pit-Stain said:

You guys want Bayonetta 2!? Then get yourself a damn Wii U!
Anyway, the game looks great. It looks a lot of fun! Platinum games have done themselves in this one!

Jazzer94

#9

Jazzer94 said:

Hopefully this will enlighten the people who got angry and complained instead of finding out the whole situation first

Squid

#10

Squid said:

Good response to those who've complained. I'm not particularly interested in it right now, but I hope Bayonetta 2 helps the Wii U survive in turn!

Meanwhile, I'm guilty of complaining that I'll have to get a PS4 to play KH3 D:

Action51

#12

Action51 said:

I never played the original Bayonetta, and I thought it looked like a silly game where you just play a "fetish fuel" chick to shoot stuff...

Then I played: The Wonderful 101...and I was blown away.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on Bayonetta 2...I'm all about gameplay and Platinum seems to know what they're doing.

Sean_Aaron

#13

Sean_Aaron said:

I didn't like the Wonderful 101, but it won't stop me trying this game. Hopefully it won't have any QTEs (one thing about Darksiders II that has been a pleasant surprise)!

Xilef

#14

Xilef said:

@belmont Once again, Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2. There wont be a non Nintendo console port unles Nintendo says so.

Volmun

#16

Volmun said:

@FullbringIchigo completly agree with you and the the guy in the artical is 100% correct about ppl then saying about it not being on PS4 and XBOne its just thows childish indivisual's having a hiffy fit over it being on Nintendo - I have a WiiU and a PS4... and so far iv enjoyed my WiiU considrbly more (back at relece of wiiu i was on Nintendo Land alot i got alot of play out of it compered to Knack witch i got with my PS4.. played it for rudffly 1 week and bkrd stiff of it..) as someone sed Nintendo is "Fun first" then he sed about femail dogs.. lol and he is correct.

element187

#17

element187 said:

@belmont no, Bayo 2 will never see a release on PS4 or xBone. It's on Wii U until the end of time.... It may show up on VC 20 years from now, but it will remain on a Nintendo platform for life.

MadAdam81

#18

MadAdam81 said:

@belmont Nintendo are the publisher. Sony & MS won't let Nintendo publish a game on their consoles, so for it to happen, another publisher would have to buy the publishing rights from Nintendo, or something like that - so probably if it were to ever happen (which it probably won't), it wouldn't be for at least 6-10 years.

Rafie

#20

Rafie said:

Actually to tell the truth, I'm extremely happy it's on just Wii U. Otherwise, I would have gotten another platform's version strictly for achievements/trophies. It would be good to play the game entirely without having to worry about trophies and such. I'm a bit of a completionist.

Anyway, I think that was a classy answer to the fans that wanted B2 on another platform. They really should be heckling MS and Sony as to why they let it slip through their fingers. Nintendo stepped up and got it exclusive to them. Kudos! I got the first one on PS3 and it's awesome (although the 360 version is the superior one). I will be picking this up DAY ONE!

Luke8400

#21

Luke8400 said:

‘Why do we have to buy a Wii U for one game? Why isn’t it on PS3 or 360?’ And now that the Xbox One and the PS4 are out, it’s ‘Why isn’t it on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U.

Exactly. Nintendo has certainly made some missteps with the Wii U, but the problem is simply the perception of Nintendo in the gaming community, and that's not something that's likely to change. Funny how people thought it weird to play Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 on the Wii U, for example--why? Why is it weird? The control options are better, the ability to play local multiplayer on the game pad is a plus...the online multiplayer isn't up to par because it's a smaller community, but you can still find people to play with. It's the definitive version of the game, so why did it sell so much worse? It just boils down to perceptions, labels, prejudgements. --

Kyloctopus

#22

Kyloctopus said:

I have no interest in the game. I could live without it on the Wii U. And I just don't really want to support anything involving Hideki Kamiya.

TruenoGT

#23

TruenoGT said:

Good responses to the fans I think. Personally, I can't wait for this and focusing on a single platform will make the game better. Nintendo will make sure it's polished and complete before they slap their name on it as publisher.

belmont

#24

belmont said:

@MadAdam81 @element187 @Xilef To be honest I don't really care about Bayonetta 2 since, if the games turns up good, I will get it on my Wii U, that is basically untouched recently. I think we will enjoy this game. However the commercial failure smells from a mile away. Wii U has a relatively small install base and those "mature" titles tend not to sell that good on Nintendo consoles. Ninja Gaiden 3 was published by Nintendo yet sometime later a more "complete" version was released on PS3. Also Microsoft paid for the development and published Mass Effect, yet it somehow ended up on PS3 some years later. There are more examples of exclusives been lost.

sinalefa

#25

sinalefa said:

I loved Wonderful 101, so I am definitely getting this one. As a matter of fact, I am now playing Devil May Cry 1, after I beat it I will continue with Bayonetta. Hopefully by the time I beat it they will announce the release date for the sequel.

Blast

#26

Blast said:

What a great guy. The clowns who keep whining about Bayonetta 2 not being on their preferred console need to shut up. THIS IS JUST ONE GAME! They have wayyy more third party support than the Wii U right now. The Wii U was bound to have amazing exclusives! Only a moron would ignore the Wii U!

Kolzig

#27

Kolzig said:

@belmont
Except there won't be since Nintendo is the publisher.

Definitely going to buy this day one, first game was so insane fun even though a bit on the otaku side on some themes.

Also The Wonderful 101 is a great game that should've sold a million. I just don't understand what games are the +5 million Wii U owners buying if a quality 2nd party dev game like The Wonderful 101 doesn't sell tons and tons of copies.

rjejr

#29

rjejr said:

I don't want it to come to other consoles, but how about actually coming out on the Wii U? Its a single platform game, can we at least get s date? Its not like they have to wait toget Microsofts approval. And the Wii U release schedule is so barren, as long as it doesnt come out May 30th the rest of the cslendar is wide open.

MoonKnight7

#33

MoonKnight7 said:

" ...I’d rather be in a world with Bayonetta 2 than without."

Well said sir...well said.

SetupDisk

#35

SetupDisk said:

Wow, there are still complete morons asking for it on other systems? Common sense should change to uncommon sense as it seems no one has it.

Darkness3131

#36

Darkness3131 said:

I'm excited for this game and I never even played the original. I'll defiantly be picking this up especially because it is on the WiiU. I think some people need to let their feelings towards Nintendo go; after all it is another video game company and they can have games too.

Shambo

#37

Shambo said:

When they first announced they'd be making Bayonetta as a Wii U exclusive, I almost cried. Of joy, that is, because I'd get a Wii U anyway. And the only reason I didn't like the first game THAT much, was because of the horrible Dualshock controllers (played it on PS3 after the installation-allowing update).

And indeed, people with ANY kind of sense should know by now it's an exclusive because it wouldn't exist without Nintendo.

FullbringIchigo

#38

FullbringIchigo said:

@Volmun yeah I have a Wii U and PS4 too, it's the perfect combo in my opinion as both company's have a fantastic selection on first party games with the PS4 having the great third party support as well together they both have exactily what I want

btao

#39

btao said:

I just don't like kids and indie games and Japanimation anymore, and no longer have interest in Nintendo. I grew up with NES. It was, ... was, great. Then at some point, they started to fall behind. You can't be a front runner and be a generation behind in hardware capabilities. It just doesn't work. I've had that generation, now I want something new, better, different. Nintendo differentiated with the Wii. Not so with the U. The controller didn't gain market share because it already exists in everyone's pockets beyond their user base.

IMO, Nintendo could be the next big thing, like Google, Apple, if they developed the IP and experience to have a top 3 smartphone/GamePhone that competes with any decent phone from Apple, Moto, Samsung, Google. They have the catalog for indie/fun games, the kind people play at their leisure on the commute, hanging out, etc. But the only way to come back on top and to satisfy everyone's calling (Shareholders, fans, critics) is to develop a dual mode Android phone running a Nintendo "OS" or game interface with a quick switch-over to standard Android. Have a Nintendo World section with it's own store, it's own security, it's own everything. Just the way Nintendo does.

Apple couldn't partner, because it's their way or the highway. Google, enter stage left....

Senario

#42

Senario said:

@btao HAHAHA..oh wait you are serious. Now tell me, is PC the frontrunner in the industry because of specs? No. It's specs are massively better than consoles but it isnt. And are the other consoles frontrunners? No, mobile gaming. Oh and there are way too many smartphones out there already. So much so that the windows phone isn't doing too good. Go away if you have nothing to like about Nintendo or say about the game at hand.

I will be picking up this game because the combat looks fun.

Gen0neD

#43

Gen0neD said:

Bayonetta is my favorite character/game of last gen. I bought the WiiU just for it. Can. Not. Wait!

Marshi

#44

Marshi said:

Heres the problem I hope platinum are wise enough to see. Bayonetta 2 is a sequel. Fans who have had the first game who now have a wiiu will love it. So thats maybe 100k people at most if im being very generous.the other 4.9 million(and climbing) wiiu owners will take 1 look at this scantily clad female,shout "this isnt mario/wii sports/wii mini game thing" and decide not to buy it. Weve seen this with assassins creed and mass effect.why buy only part of the whole story when you could get the whole story elsewhere?

The solution is simple. Bring bayo 1 to wiiu! I dont care how,make it e shop only, make it a high(but not extortionate) price. Heck,make it only available to people who buy bayo 2 if you really wana do that way. Just make the whole story available to wiiu owners. Otherwise I GUARANTEE bayo 2 wont sell

Kroisos

#45

Kroisos said:

@btao Where do I even begin?

If it was okay for Nintendo to target kids in the 80s, why isn't it okay for them to target kids now? Saying they should grow up with their audience is like saying Pixar should now be making action films.

Indie games as a major segment of gaming are recent enough that there simply isn't enough time for you to ever have been into them and moved on.

It's called anime now, and it's better than it's ever been. Robotech is nostalgia-awesome. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is actually awesome.

Nintendo needs to see to Nintendo's long-term profitability, not Google's short-term profitability.

Finally, this was an article about Bayonetta 2. Any thoughts on that, or did you just see an opportunity to provide the same rant we've seen countless times before?

sinalefa

#47

sinalefa said:

@Marshi

It should work the other way around too. If people who played Bayo 1 on PS360 don't want to play the sequel because it is in another system, you will need another system to play Bayo 1 if you only have a Wii U.

Alternatively, Platinum may add a recap at the beginning. Plus there is Youtube and Wikipedia if you care about the story.

sagen

#48

sagen said:

" ‘Why isn’t it on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U. "

- These are exactly the type of hypocrites that are causing the sales of Wii U to falter so hard.

Xilef

#49

Xilef said:

@belmont Nintendo only published NG3 outside Japan didn't they? Also there was never any talk about Nintende owning NG3. In the case of ME EA probably just bought the rights to the game. Unles there is some kind of detail in this deal that would give SEGA the right to buy the game in ten years or so Bayo 2 is staying Nintendo exclusive. Kamiya himself has said you might aswell ask Nintendo to put Zelda on PS360. Time will tell if there is some kinf deal we don't know about but right know it's a Nintendo game.

Mommar

#50

Mommar said:

"I mean I’d rather be in a world with Bayonetta 2 than without."
What's funny/sad is on other messageboards I've read comments from people who say if the game is only going to be on the WiiU then they would rather the game doesn't exist at all. Really messed up hate for Nintendo there.

LUIGITORNADO

#51

LUIGITORNADO said:

@Kroisos

Agreed. Unfortunately not every is as forward-thinking as you are. As we age we often vehemently reject our childhood to try and appear more mature, and in this case, its people rejecting Nintendo as a company who ONLY makes games for "little kids."

Alucard83

#52

Alucard83 said:

Good and now Nintendo buy a bit more games please ;-) It will do the system good believe me! or you will flatline

LUIGITORNADO

#54

LUIGITORNADO said:

@sinalefa

I'm a big Bayonetta fan, and I'll be the first to admit that its story is just insanely dumb. I mean...I enjoyed it for what it was and I liked that it embraced itself, and it KNEW it was crazy, but no one should buy Bayonetta 2 thinking they're going to get a mature-crafted story, you're getting a sexy-Saturday-morning cartoon.

btao

#55

btao said:

@Kroisos

Unfortunately, I feel as others on here, that the first Bayonetta was entertaining from a superficial perspective, like my anime remarks, where it's simply there to be visually appealing, but lacking any depth whatsoever. I'd play it if it were given to me, but at first glance, it seems the same. Certainly not a reason to buy a Wii U. Believe me, I want to support Nintendo, but they missed the mark with me personally, who has owned just about every console back to the Intellivision. After gaming for so long, I tend to shrug off games that lack any depth as they bore me. That's just my personal preferences, but it would seem I'm not alone.

Mr-DNA

#57

Mr-DNA said:

I'm still hoping they'll release a port of Bayonetta 1, even if it's just an eShop-only title. Why do I have to buy a PS3/360 just to play Bayonetta?

dumedum

#59

dumedum said:

I remember when they announced it. I was so happy to hear it's not coming to other consoles, really happy times.

brucelebnd

#60

brucelebnd said:

could someone please let me in on this Nintendo hate?

if it wasn't for Nintendo this game wouldn't exist right? so if you're really a fan of the series wouldn't you support the company that made the game possible? shouldn't the complaints be directed at Sony for not wanting to invest in the IP?

just curious what's with all the Nintendo hate out there

ZeroZX_Dev

#63

ZeroZX_Dev said:

@brucelebnd Most hate I see come from either: disillusioned gamers (people who wanted Nintendo to grow up with them, or carry false ideas about Nintendo in general) or fanboys (past-Nintendo or the competition).
Nintendo themselves haven't made it easy for them to receive praise. "Where is the 3rd party?", "This online sucks!", "Why are my games tied to the hardware?", the list goes on. I'll admit flat out Nintendo makes mistakes, Iwata mistakes, and even our game design king Miyamoto makes mistakes (Sticker Star anyone?). Whether or not they can recover, depends entirely on their actions and gamers being able accept who Nintendo is now, and not what they want them to be.

ZeroZX_Dev

#64

ZeroZX_Dev said:

@btao Like other people said before: Nintendo is not going to grow with you. The real problem is that you are too busy comparing who they are to what you want them to be. Listen, @Kirk too if you're reading this, the glory days of the NES/SNES days are gone, and Nintendo's violent grasp on the industry is gone too. Gaming has changed far too much from those days, the more you try to compare Nintendo who they are now to they were, the more distant you'll become towards them.

Great_Gonzalez

#65

Great_Gonzalez said:

Yeah sick and tired of people not wanting to buy a wii u to play the games they want. I wanted to play valkyria chronicles, ni no kuni, bioshock infinite, tales of vesperia but none came out on the wii... guess what I did?? I bought a PS3! and I didn't moan about it cause that's just life and the funny thing is all these games are 3rd party so no reason why they cant be multiplatform... and yet I still didn't moan some people need to grow up.

gatorboi352

#66

gatorboi352 said:

I loved this part:

"I spend a lot of time on Twitter seeing people get really angry, ‘Why is it not on PS3 and 360?’ Right? So kind of the way it went was, ‘Why do we have to buy a Wii U for one game? Why isn’t it on PS3 or 360?’ And now that the Xbox One and the PS4 are out, it’s ‘Why isn’t it on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U."

That guy OWNS. He is my new favorite.

sinalefa

#67

sinalefa said:

@LUIGITORNADO

Whenever I play it, I will be looking forward to the combat engine and the set pieces more than the story. I am not a huge fan of NMH's yarn either.

SecondServing

#68

SecondServing said:

I don't get why the Xbots and Sony Ponies are still requesting this game! If you want it so bad, just get a Wii U! Jeez. I, for one, got my Wii U for Bayonetta 2, Rayman Legends(when it was still an "exclusive"), and Smash Bros. It's not like even though I played the original on 360, I started crying when it was announced exclusive to Wii U!

Dark-Link73

#69

Dark-Link73 said:

"...'Why isn’t on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U.'... "

I think he nailed it right there. I just bought used the first Bayoneta and even though it was fun, I wasn't to impressed with it. However, even though I'm not rich or have a lot of money to spare, so unless reviews and gamers alike say the game isn't worth it, I'm going to buy this game to support Platinum Games. I like PG and I think is a great developer. I'm going to support them whenever I can. Who knows! I might get into this game. :-)

Assassinated

#70

Assassinated said:

You know, I'm actually starting to think Nintendo's stance on backwards compatibility is going to hurt them in the long run this generation. WiiU will get several must have games, but people won't buy the system, because they assume they can play them on Nintendo's next console. Many already think the console is a failure, and will refuse to buy it regardless of the games it has. Bayonetta 2 and Zelda are the big ones I think will suffer from this.

shonenjump86

#71

shonenjump86 said:

Yeah, Bayonetta is the main reason I got a Wii U. I loved the first one so much on 360, I liked the characters and the gameplay and look of the game. The story is kinda dumb and somewhat hard to tell what's going on, I actually forgot what the story was about. I did enjoy the cutscenes and homeage to Sega and Capcom games though. I was still bummed that I can't get the sequel on 360 but least I can't still get now.

Kirk

#72

Kirk said:

@ZeroZX_Dev

"...the more you try to compare Nintendo who they are now to they were, the more distant you'll become towards them."

Well, it doesn't have to be this way but Nintendo is the once calling the shots.

Who they were was the best gaming hardware and software company in the industry bar none, that barely set a foot wrong in terms of giving the consumers exactly what they actually wanted, and personally that's what I want from them again.

Under powered, under featured, under supported hardware with a few decent first party games and very little else is not going to make me happy and I can't just put the blinkers on and pretend it does. It never has and it never will.

If Nintendo wants once loyal consumers like me back it's not beyond it's power to do that but it has to give us what we want and what we want isn't really that much. Sony and Microsoft have basically done it, imo, but the only thing they lack is Nintendo's franchises and a few other unique things Nintendo throws into the mix. So, the solution; give us everything those other companies are giving us as standard along with the one or two gimmicks as well as all the Nintendo games and...Nintendo wins the war.

Not actually that complicated or impossible to do imo.

Kid_A

#73

Kid_A said:

Every console has exclusives. Nintendo just happens to have a really high-profile third party exclusive for once!

IceClimbers

#74

IceClimbers said:

@Kirk Unfortunately that's not financially sound. The industry's lust for power will be its undoing. It would destroy Nintendo financially to do what you have suggested. Sony and Microsoft's current business models aren't good in the long run.

JarredBuzzo

#75

JarredBuzzo said:

" So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U."
Yeah, that sums it up.

ZeroZX_Dev

#76

ZeroZX_Dev said:

@Kirk I want Nintendo to succeed, but I want them to still be Nintendo. I know I'm probably the minority, but I don't think Nintendo should do what Sony and Microsoft are doing.
The PS4 and Xbone may be tech wise better, but game wise suck right now. Neither are really that impressive when you get down to it. The cost of building those things must be huge, and for what? A stronger PS3? Stronger 360? Kinect 2.0? Right now the Wii U has the better games, and while they have lost the AAA 3rd party (for now anyway), maybe it's time people gave the indies more of chance. I don't game for power, I game to have fun. I enjoy Nintendo for Nintendo, whether or not they beat the competition or end up selling a healthy amount of Wii Us.
No one is asking you to pretend the Wii U is great, if you don't enjoy the it, that's fine. What I am asking is that people accept that the Nintendo of the past is the same Nintendo as now, just in a way different position.

midnafanboy

#77

midnafanboy said:

im going to buy this game on day one and wow people are still mad they have to get a wiiu for bayonetta 2, well kids if you want that game get a wiiu simple as that and without nintendo the game would not have been made.Be grateful that its coming out haters i swear cant give nintendo a break.

JaxonH

#80

JaxonH said:

Dude's basically rubbing it in the faces of Wii-U hating Bayonetta beggars that we're going to be enjoying that game while they're not. He says, "the people that DO play it are going to really enjoy it". Dang right too.
.

JaxonH

#81

JaxonH said:

@ZeroZX_Dev

That's what I'm saying. I own a PS4, a Vita, and sometime this year, I'll grab an Xbox. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Sony-hater and by all means, I wouldn't have bought the console if I hated Sony. Obviously. But the fact is, the better graphics are cool for like 10 minutes, then you adjust and it's just "normal" after that. I'm all for better graphics, but people are REALLY over rating them lately. Like you said, it comes down to the games.

And really, Wii U's games aren't just a "little" better- it's gotten to where it's not even a competition any more. I mean, I enjoy games on other consoles. I do. I'm glad I own other consoles and they are a very enjoyable experience. But honestly, I can think of at least 7 Wii U exclusives that I enjoyed more than the top pick on any other console I own. Even games like Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101, I enjoyed more. Idk what else to say. I mean, there are already three separate Wii U games I consider among my favorite games of all time. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, DKC Tropical Freeze and to a slightly lesser extent, Super Mario 3D World. And I can pretty much guarantee you Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 and Monolith Soft's X are gonna rank up there as well.

I don't know what else to say, I mean, the Wii U is just a really awesome console. I'd rather get 10 games a year that are the funnest games I've ever played, than get 500 games a year that all wash out to mediocre. And I'm not saying other consoles' don't have some great games, cause they do, it's just that IN COMPARISON to the Wii U's games, they really don't seem all that great. There are exceptions to this of course (Final Fantasy 15 for example). But the thing is, the games on other consoles that can actually rival Wii U games only seem to come once or twice a year. Which makes those 10 great Wii U games a year seem like a lot in comparison.

I still like my other consoles and would recommend them to anyone who likes games. I'm not "against" anything that's not Nintendo, on the contrary, I prefer to play all consoles and miss nothing. This is just my personal reasoning for why I like the Wii U the most. This is why I personally favor the Wii U over everything else.

Bizzyb

#82

Bizzyb said:

I have Bayo 1 on 360 but I'd GLADLY double dip on Wii U...such an amazing game..."Fly Me To the Moon"!

WitchSugoi

#85

WitchSugoi said:

The trailer already sold me on this game but this guy's dig at irrational system biased fanboys just ensured I pick this up as soon as possible. Still hilarious to see all the whining when Nintendo is the reason this game is even getting made, so course it'll be exclusive to their console duh! How stupid can you possibly get?

PLATINUM7

#86

PLATINUM7 said:

Haven't played Bayo 1 so if I get this game it won't be straight away. Looks alright so far.

RantingThespian

#87

RantingThespian said:

Basically Bayonetta 2 was not going to happen. So Nintendo swooped in and saved the day. So if it wasn't for Nintendo and the Wii U, Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist.

I have never played the original Bayonetta, but I am going to buy Bayonetta 2 immediately when it comes out.

banacheck

#88

banacheck said:

I agree if a game is not being made for the system you own, you should 1) if you want to play the game bad enough buy the system it's on, but let's be fair no one in there right mind is going to do that for one game. 2) So stop whining about it, and the same goes for the people whining about Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts3 & Bayonetta.

Cobra

#89

Cobra said:

Getting this... but would also love to see Nintendo make Madworld 2 also happen.

Kirk

#90

Kirk said:

@ZeroZX_Dev

"What I am asking is that people accept that the Nintendo of the past is the same Nintendo as now, just in a way different position."

The problem is that it really isn't the same by virtue of being in a "different position". Nintendo might be doing much of the same stuff, as it and you see it, but the result is that in the current market that now results in an experience that is simply out of touch with what most people want in this day and age and it actually means it's a far less satisfying experience all round than it was back in the times of the NES, SNES and even N64.

My experience with the SNES was one of pure and utter satisfaction in basically every single way I can possibly imagine and that's both from an subjective and OBJECTIVE point of view; from the undisputed power of the hardware and the graphics, to the stunning quality of the games and support from first party and third parties.

There were basically no real complaints any SNES owner could reasonably have about that system and the all-round experience it offered at the time.

The Wii U experience is NOTHING like that at all, there's just far too many things about it that are disappointing and fall far short of the mark and of many consumers expectations relative to this point in time (from a lack of power compared to the competition, or the lack of basic features that most people expect from their entertainment consoles in this day and age, and all the way through to the terrible third party support), and even the most loyal FANS in the world can't bullsh*t that it is.

The entire "Nintendo experience" just isn't the same any more at all. Rather than being one pure happiness and satisfaction it is for a great deal of people one of pure frustration and disappointment.

All I'm asking for is a Nintendo experience that all things being relative is as subjectively and OBJECTIVELY complete, satisfying and fulfilling as that of the NES, SNES and even N64, for the most, part where in their day.

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