MrGawain

Ask yourself: is it the consumer demanding 4K, 100 hour games? I doubt it’s the publishers. In my opinion it’s the developers that are making things hard for themselves by setting out too lofty goals.

But as we know, Nintendo isn’t competition to these two.

I’d prefer the 2 extra cores (25% of the 8) game chat uses to power the games.

I’m betting the advert for Donkey Kong Bananza got Mixed up with the one for MP4. Either that or it’s going to release on the 6th of November and the US way of figuring the date was confused with the UK one so the advertising company think it was released on the 10th of June and this was to be put up a week after release.

Is anyone surprised? Nintendo fans tend to buy 1st party, Indie, and ‘Nintendo Like’ games, these 3rd party games have been available elsewhere for some time, and were immediately ignored by Switch 2 purchasers because most of them were on Key Cards.

If you want an audience on Switch 2, then sell what your customers want.

Isn't it normal when CAPCOM have a direct they just show the trailers they've already released and the tiniest smidge of new information?

Some people think RDR2 is coming to Switch 2. Some think it's coming to the PS5. One person in Hull thinks they're porting it to the Commodore 64.

What a brilliant way of upsetting the Internet if their expectations don't come true.

Well Nintendo are certainly making a decision not to include Key Card games in the Download Only chart. And the Zelda upgrade packs for that matter.

I have no desire to voice chat. I accidentally pressed the button once and it asked for my phone number, which cemented I have no desire to voice chat. To me it added cost, took away processing power and memory, and doesn’t actually work when your handheld console is out away from Wi-Fi.

I’ll be curious to see if Nintendo has a game in the works that will try to validate a reason to use it beyond small talk.

Currently I’ve only played the Switch 2 on my TV. I’ve still got my original Switch to play games handheld. The 2 screen looks fine to me, but I’m not sure if I’ll be playing it handheld much just because I love seeing the grandness of MKW on the big telly.

Plus, I really didn’t want to pay any more than I did to play Nintendo games.

The 2024 ROG Ally was £800, you have to imagine this will be more.

The Switch 2 now seems to be a sensible price oddly.

Do we really need the 4K version of any falling block game?

Come to think of it does any falling block game need a story mode?

I’m waiting for my Switch 2 to arrive, but in the meantime I’ve been prepping some old consoles and games to sell on.

The Wii U still works, and I’m more excited about it than the Switch 2.

If customers don't buy them, they are likely to change their tune.

I’ve felt a lot better not worrying about preordering for the Switch 2 this time around. Maybe it’s less excitement this time because it’s just for MKW, but I’m happy not to have to worry about all the stress I have with console launches.

When there is stock, I’ll get one.

Even if I get a Switch 2 relatively quickly, I’m considering running them parallel, if only to save the memory on the Switch 2. I’m pretty sure I’ll be playing more Switch 1 games than Switch 2 games in the next year.

I’m starting to get a vision in my head of 2 people running two different sides of XBox, one approving every ridiculous idea, the other waiting until half way through development until they cancel it.

Sort of a corporate Chuckle Brothers.

If I’m honest I will buy a Switch 2 when I see one, but at the moment I’m only interested in MKW and DKB. Most of the third party offerings are the stuff I don’t play because they aren’t like Nintendo games. I think Nintendo could do with showing what’s coming in the next year 1st party wise to really get the fanbase excited.

A lot of historic gaming franchises are suffering from being the same idea but running worse than previous games.

A price increase is the perfect excuse to stop buying the product.

@Yosti

It’s great for people who don’t have access to the COD’s and GTA’s to be able to play them on the Switch 2, but they’ll never be the primary place people will play them because of graphical power and a handheld’s inherent disadvantage with online connections.

I would imagine most indie, family aimed and Japanese produced games are most popular on Nintendo.

I doubt that western COD/Assassin's Creed/GTA style games will ever be really the sort of games you play on the Switch 2.

The Launch reveal of the Switch 2 has been an absolute disaster. They’ve known their customer base would react badly to the gamecards, the prices, the shoddiness of gamechat, the hidden fine print like having to give your phone number to use gamechat, not addressing the joycon quality, and the vague messaging on what Switch 1 games will work on the system.

They’ve had 8 years of audience testing to come to these conclusions and refine the tech, and yet they’ve seemingly not really catered to their customers and just forced things in they want us to put up with.

Now the messaging is trying to fix the situation, assure customers, and telling their shareholders they expect selling the thing early on to be hard. It really does show Nintendo’s ability to blunder every other console.

Why would you stop playing the Switch on the hope of playing the Switch 2 in 3 weeks, when Mario Kart is the only 1st party game at launch, and pretty much all of the other games are available on other devices? I can get if you want to play one of the upgraded games fresh it makes sense, but I’m guessing a lot of people finished those games years ago.

If I get a Switch 2 at launch, I expect MKW and DKB will be the only games I will be playing on it through the summer, and it will have to be bolstered with Switch 1 games- so why not play the Switch 1 now?

I thought the problem was ‘quality’ games like FF7 didn’t reach sales expectations?

I mean, I loved FF7R, but I bet I could shave 20% off the budget by cutting some of the maps, dialogue, and pointless missions and get the same reviews.

@Michael0916

I can get streaming TV, sometimes 2 tv’s at the same time during the evening, but I really don’t really use my computer for work and have no need to spend more money on it.

Which is sort of the issue with the Switch 2 being more expensive in every aspect than the Switch 1.

Nintendo haven’t really cared about online, let alone voice chat. They’ve trained us it’s silly and now they’ve changed their tune.

Well I’m too old and stuck in my ways to interact with anyone that isn’t standing in person in front of me, and even then it’s just hassle.

The whole point of having a handheld is the feeling you can take a bunch of games with you either on cartridge or downloads on the go. The memory in the Switch 2 is pretty small for these games’ file sizes, and even just doubling that memory will cost about eighty quid. My internet is pretty slow (it took me 5 days to download 150gb of Jedi Survivor on the PS5), so I’ll be wary of deleting and re-downloading games.

It’s not just the price of the games I will consider, but if it’s worth the space they will take up on the Switch 2 memory.

It all comes down to if Nintendo wants another.

I hope they do, if only to right some of wrongs from 3. Cereza and the Lost Demon however was an awesome game.

Any company has the right to price any product the way it wants to.

And we have the right not to buy it.

I've recently heard there are some concerns about DK and Metroid Prime 4 causing motion sickness. Along with MKW these are the only games I'm interested in, so I'm waiting for the first adopters to be guinea pigs before I commit to anything.

Not a stellar launch campaign Nintendo.

Looks like it was inspired by the Cybertruck to me.

It's a feature that adds cost, takes up processing power and memory, and by the looks of it doesn't run very smoothly.

Add the whole privacy intrusion and you've got a system seller!

I don’t ‘need’ to make changes, I just have a perception of value where I’m not going to waste money just for the sake of it. A £70 game is a year of Netflix or Disney or a guitar pedal or a lot of other things that give me more value than a video game.

I remember when the Wii U released with Assassin’s Creed, COD, Mass Effect, Arkham City, Darksiders 2 and Zombi U…

…And Nintendo fans in general didn’t care.

That’s what worries me most about the Switch 2. That Nintendo believes they can fill the Nintendo shaped gaps with old ports of western shooty games. It’s never really worked in the past.

It was inevitable that cinema prices were going to go up.

Now people go to the pictures a lot less often and only the Blockbusters they know they’ll enjoy.

I always find these bundles odd. They are obviously aimed at Star Wars fans, but you would assume most Star Wars fans would at least own some of these games already which sort of lessens the discount- especially when the individual games are on sale as well.

Yeah, Microsoft could get Rare make another Banjo Kazooie, but wouldn’t you all prefer Rare to keep making Sea Of Thieves microtransactions until the end of time?

The reasons to buy a physical version for me is to:

-Preserve the physical game.
-Avoid downloading the game over my ropey internet.
-Save money with UK retailers.
-Saving space on the hard drive or a memory card that will also be expensive.

Key Cards don’t have any of these benefits.

Platinum have made some of my favourite games ever. There is so much innovation and surprise in games like Bayonetta and W101. But it's pretty obvious these games don't sell enough and they're doing a lot of grunt work for other companies far less interesting games. Sad for the people who want to innovate in gaming.

Memory is a big part of the Switch 2's problems. Bigger file sizes that need to be read faster means we have to pay for it in either game cards, or memory expansion.

Saying that, I don't see why companies making smaller games without large graphical needs don't just keep making original Switch games instead?

With the price increase, my Nephew and I were talking about this. Not so much what we were looking forward to playing again, but what we would be willing to pay over £60 for.

My own list was Bayonetta 4, Xenoblade, Zelda, Donkey Kong and 3D Mario. Certain other games are on a case by case basis, but I’ve come to the conclusion I don’t really play Smash, Splatoon, Mario Sports or party games enough to pay out that sort of money.

I always get the feeling with these sorts of collectors editions that the game is the least important thing included.

This proves it.

This list shows you how much Japan loves its homegrown games, and the only 2 western games in the list are GTA6 and a game about feudal Japan.

I’m guessing Mario Kart World was finished and Donkey Kong will be in July, so it was the right time to release the Switch 2.

Yup, we get the Switch 2 has been designed to have all the K’s, flops and thingamajigs you could fit in the thing.

But I get the feeling the argument from most core Nintendo fans is it goes against the traditional ideology of Nintendo to make consoles and games that are affordable to everyone, not just enthusiast gamers who care more about lifelike graphics than a bit of fun jumping on mushrooms.

Thank goodness. I thought Nintendo was going to skip making a Mario game this console.

Remember: if you're playing NBA 2K it is displayed on only half of a 4K screen.

Guessing it’s a Neodymium magnet. I’ve seen them used in guitars to hold metal slides in place firmly on the body but so you can take it off when you need to.

Aside from price, I do think the biggest issue Nintendo have with the Switch 2 is the lack of up front information. It seems very weird there are going to be 2 versions of this game on release, and I have no idea what each one will cost without trawling through the Internet.

Same goes for the other 3rd party games prices and the different upgrade prices for Switch 2 versions. It shows Nintendo knew the price increases would be contentious and they thought they could lessen some of the criticism by not being clear.

Oddly enough it didn't work!

They are being developed specifically for the Switch.

And will be trotted out yearly with nothing but roster changes.