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Talking Point: Pokémon X & Y's Grand Global Release Plan Has, Sadly, Been Undermined

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Leaks, ruthless retailers and impatient gamers suck away intended magic

The excitement was undeniable when Satoru Iwata, in a Nintendo Direct broadcast, announced Pokémon X & Y and confirmed that it would have a global release date. That's almost upon us, 12th October, meaning that aside from time zone differences 3DS gamers around the world will get their hands on either or both of these titles at the same time, experiencing the new 'mon, evolutions and features with millions of others. The potential for excitable chatter with friends around the world, on forums and social networks, brings to mind a perfect storm of hype and wish fulfilment.

That'll still happen, to a degree, but the efforts of Nintendo and The Pokémon Company to control and manage the information revealed has been somewhat spoiled in recent days and weeks, as over-eager — perhaps even cynical — individuals with early access have either accidentally or deliberately flouted embargoes and requests in order to share anything and everything they desire. Of course absorbing this information on the web is entirely optional, but it seems a pity that some will be unable to resist the urge and, in the process, spoil surprises that the game creators perhaps hoped you'd discover after hours of questing.

Before we delve off into specifics, it's worth acknowledging that keeping games and secrets under wraps has been a problem throughout the history of the games industry. For one thing, releases are rarely perfectly aligned, meaning that gamers in one region may take to Twitter to blab about a title before it even arrives elsewhere in the world. In the pre-Twitter days of the '80s and '90s Europe was the butt of the worst release scheduling failures, often waiting months, not days, for some major releases. Oddly for Nintendo gamers, in some instances the reverse has been true in 2013, with some major releases hitting Europe weeks ahead of North America, an odd state of affairs that has led to us posting EU reviews for games over a month away from Nintendo's most lucrative market.

In the case of scattered releases across regions, websites with a global team naturally get caught up talking about games that are barely yet on the radar of other territories; an unavoidable circumstance. Our level of surprise in a game is often in the hands of publishers themselves, of course, with some opting to practically give up the whole game to build hype. In terms of the roles of websites such as Nintendo Life, as a place designed for enthusiasts we generally lap up and share what's officially released, occasionally slapping a spoiler warning in a post if we feel a particular video flirts with revealing too much. Some in our community may not always like the level of content we share on upcoming games, of course, preferring to see less before the discs nestles in their consoles, but it's a tricky balancing act in terms of sharing the information that many do want to know.

There are tricky scenarios, too. We just posted a video of the first 30 minutes of Monster Hunter 4. Some will naturally feel we're spoiling that game, yet our text gives little away and people can ultimately ignore the video. It's a title also burning up the charts in Japan, so we're not showing a game that's not yet on the market, just one that Capcom may take an age to localise. We have a Japanese 3DS that can capture footage and couldn't help ourselves, a theme we'll return to.

There's also the issue of embargoes occasionally being a source of frustration. We are often held to NDAs (non disclosure agreements) and embargoes, and on occasion we may not agree with the dates or details of these rules. It's a mutual relationship, however; if a company entrusts you with advance copies on the proviso that you exclude certain details before and even in the final review, that's what happens. If we feel strongly enough that the list of excluded details went too far and prevented us from painting a full picture (in words, not the actual score), we may wait for the restriction to drop before sharing more — that's rare, but something we did with Kid Icarus: Uprising and a follow-up article.

With that last point in mind you may feel our stance with the X & Y leaks that have flooded the web will be "that's great, share the info!". But with a franchise as sizeable as this, which also has the ability to cause huge excitement with something as simple as a new evolution, we wonder whether the desire to know more has spoiled some of the anticipation of the actual event. It's been clear, with the regular frequency of reveals, that Nintendo and The Pokémon Company has carefully structured what they've revealed, enough to emphasize new content but clearly holding a lot back.

That's something that Nintendo has been vigorously defending, too, placing various restrictions on what could and could not be discussed in reviews — chances are that if you're wondering about the absence of comment on some features in our Pokémon X & Y review, we may be observing embargo details. The company has been actively hunting down leaks or slip-ups, too, trying to keep unannounced areas of the game, 'mon and evolutions out of the public eye. With the speed of the web, however, some will share these details regardless, and stopping every leak has proven an exercise in futility. For our part we've endeavoured to stick to official reveals and, when appropriate, details from Japanese media such as CoroCoro and others.

With the releases getting closer, however, the leaks will go into overdrive and go, in truth, beyond Nintendo's hands. Excitable tweets are appearing from those confirming that their pre-orders were shipped as early as 8th October, which means retailers are breaking the street date — unless they're having the games delivered by horse and carriage for 12th October. Copies will arrive early with consumers, depending on the lucky dip of their retailer of choice, and these gamers will not be under any restrictions. This happened with Grand Theft Auto V and Amazon, leading Rockstar on a merry dance of trying to take down YouTube footage that appeared early. Capturing 3DS footage isn't quite so simple, though anyone can point a camera at the system.

In a sense we're wailing against a brick wall, as these are inescapable realities of modern video gaming culture. There are few secrets to be discovered at our own speed nowadays, with social networks screaming spoilers and the web being packed with details. Yet that seems a pity, especially as it's our human nature to drop resistance and click on that video walkthrough of a new game; once it's seen the moment is gone, however, a game's twist or surprise nothing but another so-so moment. You can only have one mind-blowing reveal with a special scene in an experience, and then it's never the same.

We can't beat it, but we will bemoan it. We live in a culture where even when game creators want us to discover some things for ourselves, perhaps by introducing a worldwide release date and chasing down leaks, something or other will ruin it. Details will leak, and we'll swivel our eyes towards them while simultaneously trying to cover them. We're aware of the contradictions at work within ourselves, too, balancing the desire to share Monster Hunter 4 footage from our Japanese 3DS while, conversely, aiming to keep the reveals as optional and easy to ignore for our readers as possible. In the case of X & Y, the difference is that there was an attempt to bring gamers into the experience at the same time with a global release, an effort that will be wasted for some. To say Capcom isn't doing the same is an understatement.

We hope you're avoiding the worst of the unofficial leaks and reveals ahead of launch day, and that you'll stay strong and discover some secrets for yourselves. In an age where we're all wannabe game creators, and an era where fans can petulantly jump up and down to demand and receive a new ending — yes, that's you, Mass Effect 3 protesters — it'd be nice if, when playing X or Y, you can trust Game Freak and find something that the developers put there to make you smile, without having read about it or seen a video a week before.

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2Sang

#1

2Sang said:

I'm dissapointed by the poor quality pokemon has devolved. There better be free dlc with more to the game.

Arcamenel

#2

Arcamenel said:

I've found it pretty easy to keep most things about the game a secret to myself. I know all the new Pokemon because that's not much of a spoiler but have had no problem keeping the story, gym leaders and their respective Pokemon as well as the Elite Four members and their respective Pokemon completely in the dark to myself. You know where the leaks are going to be it's up to you to make the decision to look at them or not. The only place I could understand being spoiled is like Tumblr where you can't really control what your followers reblog. However with Tumblr Savior and being able to blacklist tags it's a bit easier.

unrandomsam

#3

unrandomsam said:

Is the NDA the reason that none of the reviews for stuff like Skylanders / Disney Infinity included any cost calculations.

(No universe I would trust a review at all without that information).

Better to be late than restricted.

(I get the impression some reviews have been done without actually finishing the game as well. Star Parodier not mentioning the insane lag on the balloon level for example).

spidey1010

#4

spidey1010 said:

The thing about Pokemon games is that in order to properly train your Pokes, you NEED to have knowledge before you even start the game. That's what's been driving me to look up spoilers, even though I want to preserve the majority of the game for my actual run through.
That's always bothered me about Pokemon games, though - Game Freak itself is very tight-lipped and rarely gives you info that you NEED if you want to train your Pokemon in the best way possible. If the Internet didn't exist, I would have no idea how EVs, IVs, or natures work.

Captain_Gonru

#5

Captain_Gonru said:

I suppose this will become a non-issue on future, "always connected" systems. Companies can lock away the good bits until the actual release date, thus negating anyone being able to spoil anything. Personally, I look forward to it.

Linkstrikesback

#6

Linkstrikesback said:

If the news had been good from leakers, it wouldn't have been so bad. I kinda wish they had worked on it for a few more months to add another 30 or so new pokemon, and a full battle frontier. Oh,and not put pokemon transferring behind a paywall. (Yes trial, blahblahblah, all well and good so long as you only want to transfer to X/Y and never again)

Ah well.

Haxonberik

#7

Haxonberik said:

I have excluded myself from Pokemon forums already and have avoided any extra-oficial information pretty well. Still, I dont think that'll be the case when the game actually releases and everyone feels free to spoil. I'll be recieving my copy about a week after release, since I live in South America and need someone to bring me the game from the US (and yet I still refuse to download the game)

DarkCoolEdge

#8

DarkCoolEdge said:

Companies should sue the shops that skip the launch date. Maybe that way they'd stop doing it with every single major release.

Wonder_Ideal

#9

Wonder_Ideal said:

@spidey1010 - Why don't you start out a game with a group of Pokemon you like and forget EV training? When you beat the game, you'll be able to look back and select Pokemon to EV train for a competitive team. That way you'll avoid spoilers and end up with a good competitive team. :)

Zach777

#10

Zach777 said:

Kind of a bummer but I am personally glad it happened. I wanted to know if there was a 'Z' Pokemon so I will now wait for the hopefully upgraded Pokemon Z version. Why waste money on a lesser version?

ricklongo

#11

ricklongo said:

@Haxonberik - I'm in South America too, and the game will be available in multiple stores in my city at midnight from Friday to Saturday. Are you sure you can't find it where you live?

DarkKirby

#12

DarkKirby said:

Here is the thing, if you don't want to see the leaks, stay away from Pokemon forums. Problem solved. If I see a leak I didn't want to see, I blame myself, because I believe in personal responsibility.

Of course, the people who sold the game early did it illegally.

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cookiex

#13

cookiex said:

Leaks and impatiency of gamers and retailers is something you can never truly do away with. With spoilers a lot of it comes down to personal responsibility, and that's why I'm usually extra careful around release dates of games/movies I anticipate.

XCWarrior

#14

XCWarrior said:

Great story, I totally agree. I was hoping for not so much stuff to be leaked on X and Y. I hope that from now until the release of the game Saturday, if Nintendo Life does post anything on Pokemon, they keep the title vague and not spoil it for those of us trying to keep a few surprises for when we crack open the game.

siavm

#15

siavm said:

Leaks are a thing that are nothing new in their digital age. We know all about the next iPhone or ipad months before it is out. Most know to avoid leaks by not following the game or going to unconfirmed articles. Outside of this article I would not know this was happening. And the previews you guys do and other sites do pretty much spoil most games anyway. And this is Pokemon. It is not like they are spoiling much people already don't know in the leaks. There are gyms, Pokemon, towns, and it is 3d. Not really much to spoil here. And if you are talking about the Pokemon as leaks I don't really care. We are going to know who most are in a week. So leaks are bad but if you want to avoid just don't look for them.

TheHunter

#16

TheHunter said:

We've always known everything about the games months in advance due to releasing in Japan much earlier, so how can they expect everybody to just suddenly sit patiently and go into the game half blind?

SMEXIZELDAMAN

#17

SMEXIZELDAMAN said:

Yeah, this site called Nintendolife always spoils me with their front page news stories on pokemon! What's the big idea?!?!?!

bagszi

#18

bagszi said:

Playing it right now. Sorry guys, but I'm just so happy that I already got it! :D

Marks

#20

Marks said:

I know all the gym leaders, elites, and most of the pokemon but I have yet to discover the [bad guys'] leader and the overall story of the game. So I'm good.

spidey1010

#21

spidey1010 said:

@Ideal_Hero
I like to EV train from the very beginning because the Pokemon I start out with are the ones I feel the most attached to. And I like the Pokemon I'm most attached to to also be total baddonkeys.
Watch the profanity please — TBD

mookysam

#22

mookysam said:

I've been avoiding most pokemon articles and I haven't visited forums because I don't want anything spoiled. I do this with most games so everything is a surprise when I come to play them.

My copy of Y was dispatched earlier today but I wouldn't dream of spoiling it for other people.

AlexSora89

#23

AlexSora89 said:

HEY! I'm Italian and I still don't own the game! Come on, what's with Pikachu wanting to nuke our country? Seriously!

LordJumpMad

#24

LordJumpMad said:

It wouldn't be this hard not to see spoilers, if everyone trying to spoil it for you, like their doing you a favor.
When I buy a game I want to play, I don't want to be spoiled right away.
Makes the game feel like a waste of money. We have 3 days to go, I'm sure everyone can keep their mouth shut until then.

Buzzthebatgirl

#26

Buzzthebatgirl said:

The only reason I hunted down the leaks was the see the final evolution of the starters because this is the creature I will bond with the most, I need to know that I will like it's final evolution because there ain't no devolution and there may not be easy access to Dittos to breed the starter off for a long time...

ueI

#27

ueI said:

I wasn't aware so much had been leaked because none of the sites I visit have been reporting it.

Rensch

#28

Rensch said:

I admit I failed to resist checking out the leaks, but at least it is better than it was for earlier games. Now that we have the games at the same day as Japanese players, much less will have been spoiled when you buy the game. With Black and White, you still had to wait until the game was translated in English. Now you don't have to wait for months, while learning everything there is to know before the game is even released.

okamiki

#29

okamiki said:

I'm staying strong but if I can have the game tomorrow that would be sweet

GalacticMario28

#30

GalacticMario28 said:

I guess it really is inevitable that people will spoil things like this for one reason or another. But at least we have the option of steering clear of the leaks if we so choose. I'm hoping to pick up X this weekend, and I'd really like to discover some parts of a Pokémon game myself for the first time in years, so I've been avoiding the leaks like the plague.

WreckItRyan

#31

WreckItRyan said:

Good read--nice article, Thomas. I think the idea of "spoilers" is actually a really interesting one. I would argue that it's not human nature, however, but our human condition. If anyone needs a thesis for an anthropology or sociology class, just go for it.

One-Winged-Pit

#32

One-Winged-Pit said:

It is very difficult to avoid seeing new Pokemon because of these people unless you avoid the internet all together because all it takes is seeing the picture...

Dreamcaster-X

#33

Dreamcaster-X said:

This is true of anything on the net. When I don't want things spoiled I simply steer away from articles that may do that. I just started watching Breaking Bad so I wisely read nothing involving that show as not to ruin it for myself. People that want things ruined actively seek out morsels & crumbs so if they want everything spoiled it's their right but they are missing out on a lot of the magic of self discovery.

MotorTCD

#34

MotorTCD said:

people in japan leak he game too.
i guess the game shouldn't be released in japan.
street dates are STUPID anyway. just put the game on store shelves when it's done and let people buy it the same day.

DestinyMan

#35

DestinyMan said:

Unfortunately, it's just a part of our video game culture that spoilers are as tempting as ever, and depending on how excited you are for the game, it's quite hard to resist.

Super Smash Bros. is an excellent example. For Brawl, I wanted to be so excited for the game that I almost spoiled everything, which was an action I would later come to regret. However, the excitement it generated still worked. That was back when I had poor internet and didn't go on internet forums.

Today, now that I have better internet and visit the internet forums of NL all the time, it's almost impossible for me to avoid spoilers short of cutting the plug. I'm not resigned to it; that's just a fact. At least it does help me get excited for the games, and I personally care more about avoiding spoilers if it's for platformer games like Mario or Donkey Kong Country.

Different people handle spoilers in different ways. Some people would've even taken issue with NL posting those CoroCoro magainzes, but that was fine by me. I guess it's an issue of too much or too little. You want to know more about the game, but too much information can make the experience come off as expected to you.

Kid Icarus Uprising handled spoilers masterfully. Sakurai kept the deeper details of the story a complete secret to the outside world. For all we knew, the game was about Pit fighting Medusa just like in the old days. We had no idea that the real villain was Hades and that there were a bunch of other characters thrown into the mix as well. Sakurai is a man who very much cares about the element of surprise in a video game, to the point of caring too much, with the decision to not have a story like the Subspace Emissary in the next Smash Bros.' Adventure Mode.

Swiket

#36

Swiket said:

I'd rather endure a week or two of spoilers than the months between the Japanese and Western releases of previous Pokemon games.

Actually, I'd say the leaks have made me even more excited. I wasn't really hyped until this week.

noctowl

#37

noctowl said:

Destructoid has been posting leaks on the front page for everyone to see. It's was complete bs

PokemonManiac

#38

PokemonManiac said:

This happens all the time with Pokemon. It's sad but you can avoid it and people who do look it up will probably still buy the games.

Blue_Yoshi

#39

Blue_Yoshi said:

@DestinyMan

Thanks for spoiling the Kid Icarus story, just kidding. My fault for not playing it that much since its release. Anyways as for Pokemon spoilers, I'm trying to avoid as many as possible. I found out about the starter evolutions and there awesome second typings as well as the third legendary Pokemon(which I can't even describe because it be giving too much away) but I am somewhat disappointed because I feel like I'm never going to have the feeling of going into a new Pokemon game not knowing anything at all. This my friends is a side effect of how intuitive and "innovative" the internet has become.

rdp223

#40

rdp223 said:

The other day I was just curious and typed 'Pokémon' on tumblr and man do those people post every single detail about this game -.- lol. I wasn't surprised though...but yea just be careful if you are trying to keep the surprises a surprise haha.

ModernMARVEL

#41

ModernMARVEL said:

I ended uo seeing the final evo of Fenniken while looking through the pictures on an FB page. I was so mad that I saw it. Gamefreak wanted us all to enjoy it at about the same time but some retailers and people ruin that. If it came out in another country months ago I wouldn't care, but since it was intended for an international release it really urks me! Luckily my memory sucks so I forgot what it looked like.

Bulbousaur

#42

Bulbousaur said:

Luckily, I haven't been exposed to too many spoilers. Only a couple, and I wanted to know those ones anyway. I'm going to try to resist the edge to look at any Wikis for it until I beat the champion (assuming there is one!)

tchaten

#43

tchaten said:

No one can really spoil a Pokemon game - its not a game that has too much plot and I don't really care if I know what evolutions or Pokemon look like before I start the game

HawkeyeWii

#44

HawkeyeWii said:

When I saw the title of the article I thought it was some huge deal. I just avoid spoilers when I don't want to know about something. It really is as simple as that. Don't go fishing for it.

Radbot42

#45

Radbot42 said:

There's any easy way around this. Make a roadblock inside the hero's house or at the exit of the main town so you can't leave or do anything until a forced update is out on release day.

FJOJR

#46

FJOJR said:

Usually with a game I'm anticipating I try to avoid some info depending on the game. Just put a release date and I'll wait for demos or early impressions or reviews to see if I should dive in or not.

Justaguest

#47

Justaguest said:

Expectable. I saw some of the spoilers but stopped after it went too far - elite four, gym leaders and champion revealed..at that moment I just unsubscibed to all those channels on youtube revealing everything. the problem is that some of the video creators put images in thumbnails of their videos so I know more then I want to now :s

ThomasBW84Admin

#48

ThomasBW84 said:

@SMEXIZELDAMAN Oh you ;) As I said, we've stuck with reveals from the Pokemon Company and Japanese media like CoroCoro, with some non-game stuff (like sales, dev comments in interviews etc) thrown in.

The point of this article, as is hopefully clear near the end, is that this business of knowing most secrets before even playing a game is inevitable, it's just down to individuals to decide what to read, and sites like us to try and get the right balance between feeding demand and avoiding big honking spoilers. It's been interesting watching Nintendo trying to shut down embargoed leaks, in some cases with success. But it's an impossible task, and retailers being sneaky and posting early is the final cherry on the icing.

I just think it's a shame that it can go too far, that's all.

CanisWolfred

#49

CanisWolfred said:

I'm going back to never following Pokemon-related news for Gen VII. Gen VI is seriously the only one where I followed most of the news, and gained absolutely nothing from it.

ikki5

#51

ikki5 said:

@2Sang

please explain this poor quality you speak of

@tchaten if you play pokemon for the plot then you are playing for the wrong reasons.

GamerZack87

#53

GamerZack87 said:

Me: "Ooh, Pokémon X and Y news!... Well, look at that! Ditto now has an evolved form? And it can breed eggs with Legendary Pokémon?! AND NIDOQUEEN?! Wait...this is a spoiler! Oh nuuuuuuuu!" :(

Flowerlark

#54

Flowerlark said:

The only spoilers I've seen are the final evos of the starters... which is the one thing I DID want spoiled so I could pick the one I like best from the beginning. Too bad I ended up not liking any of them...

IceClimbers

#55

IceClimbers said:

I've managed to avoid spoilers for this game. Too bad people on the internet won't just shut up about the game for a while like they did with The Last of Us or Skyward Sword. Most people decided to not spread spoilers for those games.

I find it amazing how the later chapters of Kid Icarus Uprising were kept secret from EVERYONE until the game actually came out.

3Daniel

#57

3Daniel said:

To be fair you had to specifically look for the leaks to find them. If the game was spoiled for you then you shouldnt have been searching for the leaks. I spoiled the game for myself and im excited. Cannot wait..

MrGawain

#58

MrGawain said:

Not all games are susceptible to spoilers. All you have to do is buy a game no one else has bothered to buy!

Anyone else enjoy the twists and turns in The Wonderful 101?

(Oh and if you have read spoilers about The Wonderful 101, still buy it: it's fantastic).

Spoony_Tech

#59

Spoony_Tech said:

I know nothing other then the game has jumped to 3d but the overworld is not displayed in 3d! I just want to play the game and didn't care to read most information!

FarukoSH

#60

FarukoSH said:

Im still waiting, there was this store selling it before, but theyr charge you 60 freaking dollars for it, i can wait 3 days and pay 20 less, but i saw some people paying it

I love Pokemon, but pay 20 dollars for 3 days... oh no

UgliestSoup

#61

UgliestSoup said:

Blame it all on pokebeach.com It's just a site run by a fat no life that enjoys crushing peoples dreams, hopes, and ambitions. My name is Viktor Reznov, and I will have my revenge.

Gridatttack

#62

Gridatttack said:

Perhaps they could have countered this by releasing it earlier? Theres no point in trying to retain a leak,,,much less if it can be widespread on the internet,

CanisWolfred

#63

CanisWolfred said:

@3Daniel most of the leaks I saw were talked about on this very forum, and I can assure you I wasn't looking for them. Nice try, though.

3Daniel

#64

3Daniel said:

@CanisWolfred i dont use the forums here. Im referring to google yahoo search. If this is your first time exploring the internet then the lesson learned is stay out of forums the week leading up to a games release ;)

SMEXIZELDAMAN

#65

SMEXIZELDAMAN said:

@ThomasBW84 ;) you silly man, you. I thought you guys did a pretty good job of avoiding major spoilers. Though letting out the fact that there are critters called "pokemon" and you use them to battle other people was a bit too much! :O

2Sang

#66

2Sang said:

@ikki5 only 70 pokes poor storyline and casualization
im still buying its just the worst gen so far hands down

3Daniel

#68

3Daniel said:

the small pool of new pokemon shouldn't be a surprise as when the game was announced GF mentioned they were only expecting to produce 50 new pokemon this generation... has the short term memory of the internet taken effect? also, with over 650, I won't spoil the final count, pokemon running around... the series is not lacking in diversity.

gregrout

#69

gregrout said:

Well I don't mind it really. I just started playing Pokemon for the first time (Black 2) about 2 months ago, so all this mega-this and mega-that is quite frankly over my head.

Trikeboy

#70

Trikeboy said:

I once knew a guy who ran a game shop. He broke the street date on Mortal Kombat 2 and didn't have any repercussions.

Mr_3DS

#71

Mr_3DS said:

I'm not a huge fan of spoilers. Some are good, and some are bad. Some are a mix of both though, like if you find out what the starter evolution are. Yes, it ruins the surprise when you evolve it, but knowing what they look like or the typing could help your team and let you know what you're getting. I'm just going to head into the game blindly and if I get a Pokemon that's a bust, I'll just replace it and try-hard train a better Pokemon, lol.

Mr_3DS

#72

Mr_3DS said:

Also, my friend got a few Call of Duty games from a local game shop like a week before release. If you preordered and paid in full a week ahead of time they would give you the game in box and tell you not to play online. They later got shut down, lol.

Marioman64

#73

Marioman64 said:

every person that has the game before release shall have their pokeboxes and team FILLED with Trubbish, every single slot, and overwrite every pokemon they may have owned. that would solve it :P

Mr_3DS

#74

Mr_3DS said:

@Marioman64 Yeah, they should be able to check if people have played if their 3DS has been connected to the internet since then...PUNISH THEM lol

willobee

#75

willobee said:

You can't really punish the consumer, when it is the retailer who is instructed to sell a game on a specific date and no sooner.

Genesaur

#76

Genesaur said:

Oh, boo-hoo. As if it isn't the norm for this to happen. No one's to blame, because it's a natural process. Knowing stuff ahead of time doesn't ruin anything unless you let it.

Kalmaro

#77

Kalmaro said:

@willobee That just means they are both at fault. The retailer for releasing it early and the consumer for knowingly accepting and playing it ahead of time.

willobee

#78

willobee said:

While unlikely, it is possible for the consumer to not know the release date, and just see it on a store shelf. Nintendo distributing items to shops is all contract based. Stuff about pricing, distribition, release dates, etc. A customer buying a game has no written agreement with Nintendo, and therefore you cannot fairly punish them. Ask them to return the game, sure. But anything more is unreasonable.

Dambuster

#79

Dambuster said:

I see no problems what so ever breaking a street date, Infact at my local Game the manager will often go out back and sell you a game a couple of days early ( you have to pay cash, so it does not go through there system). Its not a big deal.

Reverandjames

#80

Reverandjames said:

Unfortunately, we're living in a 'must have it now' culture where people can't seem to wait for things or have the element of surprise anymore.

Movie trailers now are ridiculous, they pretty much give away the entire film before you've even seen it to make sure people know what they are getting before they go see it.

I remember my cousin downloaded the emulated Japanese version of pokemon gold on his PC and it absolutely ruined it for him, just because he couldn't wait for it to come out. My friend more recently was watching videos on YouTube of the later missions in GTA 5 before he had even got to them in the game! Madness!

I don't get why people feel the need to spoil things for other people, they may think that they are delivering information that people want to know, whereas I feel they are just bragging that they know something that others don't.

I'll be hopefully receiving my copy of pokemon X today and I'm glad I know nothing about it and certainly won't spoil it for anyone else.

AugustusOxy

#81

AugustusOxy said:

Oh call them a wahmbulance. We've made it before with Japan getting the game like six months ahead of us, a few days/weeks difference isn't going to kill it.

I for one am not a fan of blindly buying a game and knowing absolutely nothing about it.

If you are, that's fine, but stop calling the leakers bad people, its your choice to go on sites that are filled with leaked photos and information.

AugustusOxy

#82

AugustusOxy said:

I think this also boils down to a lot of butthurt people who aren't happy because someone else got it early.

Zombie_Barioth

#83

Zombie_Barioth said:

Personally, I only care about spoilers that spark discussions. I'm fine as long as its only the who or what, not the when, why, and how. Even then knowing and seeing are two different things.

Leaking info isn't necessarily a problem as long as the people doing so are courteous towards others in the process. Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't. Most games aren't released globally though. You can't rightfully stop people from sharing info on games they purchased because another country hasn't gotten it yet after all.

Great article @ThomasBW84, nicely balanced and honest. I like that you didn't try to excuse yourselves from taking part and even leveled with everyone on how things work on your end. Not many sites do that.

kurtasbestos

#84

kurtasbestos said:

People who leak things after they've signed an agreement to NOT leak them are dumb. People who post videos/comments/tweeters/whatever like crazy on the internet while they're playing the game are mostly just ridiculous... if your goal is to show off that you're playing a game before other people, what are you REALLY trying to accomplish... rather than enjoy the game you're playing, you're trying to earn respect (or something) from other people that you hope are SUPER jealous of you? It's really just kinda sad, especially when you consider the game you're talking about will probably be forgotten in a year or two (or if nothing else, it certainly won't have the same kind of hype about it).

However, the real fault lies with the people who watch the videos or read the posts or whatever else that end up spoil the games they're excited about and then complain about it. It's your own damn fault if you end up upset because you don't have the self control to stay away from the internet for five seconds. Seriously, life is like a million billion times better without the internet anyway (really seriously, try it sometime), so just be patient and enjoy the games you want to enjoy without relying on other people to tell you absolutely everything they can about the game while simultaneously expecting them to not tell you anything at all about it.

Also, that being said, I've always felt that Nintendolife does a fantastic job of not spoiling the games they talk about (while also being quite talented at writing). I gave up on all other video game websites for that reason... and even now when I'm not actively buying a lot of games I still can't help but come back to read about games I may never actually play, just because the Nintendolife crew are so much better at what they do than any other game website I've ever visited.

Yasume

#85

Yasume said:

I only know the Pokémon that Nintendolife spoiled (20-25 Pokémon I'd think) and I only know their appearance, because I didn't click on the articles. I knew about as much when Black & White came out, it's just a lot more fun that way.

Reverandjames

#86

Reverandjames said:

@AugustusOxy Unfortunately sometimes the leakers are bad people, and will post things to twitter where you have no choice but seeing the spoilers, and also forums, where they will not warn before posting spoilers.

I don't care if people get the game before me, illegal or not, just as long as they don't spoil it for everyone else.

shadowhive

#87

shadowhive said:

I've seen some of the leaks, but I've not gone after story or location details. I'm more interested in the new Pokemon. As ohers have said, a little forknowledge isn't a bad thing and it's something I've gotten used to with Pokemon. With staggered release dates being the norm there'd usually be a flood of info about... well everything before I even got my hands on the game. Like now, I'd avoid detrimental info though.

I think Nintendo's big mistake with this s how little information has dripped out. I mean we're days away and when was the last official release of a new mon? We don't even know how many new Pokemon there are (which is usually a big selling point in past games). I do think syncing the release dates was a nice idea on their part but I think something like this was pretty much inevitable (though, personally, I'd not expected it to happen until this close to the date)

I think at this point te majrity of posts are just excited people who got their delivery early so I think it'll be pointless for Nintendo to go after them and it's too late anyway.

GrinderFiend

#88

GrinderFiend said:

Got it on the 7'th myself so im not gonna spoil anythPROFESSOR OAK DIES, JENNY IS THE LEADER OF ALL BAD GUYS, MEW IS SECRET STARTER.

KittenKoder

#89

KittenKoder said:

Nothing, and I mean nothing, could spoil this game for me. Of course I tend t ignore everything that is not stated by the dev team themselves because I write it all off as rumors by default until the release. Just having the battles in 3D is enough to make me love it.

DESS-M-8

#90

DESS-M-8 said:

Digital distribution would solve this.
I have my code for Pokemon y, bought from Game UK, emailed to me today. But the code won't work as access is restricted at the eshop till Nintendo choose to open the "digital doors".
Pure digital would make te world a better place.

Archvile

#92

Archvile said:

@2Sang yeah I remember when you had to aim solely on your own, no auto aim, headshotting rattatas in R/B freaking casuals amirite

Moshugan

#93

Moshugan said:

I think it's the internet in general that's robbing the magic a little from upcoming releases, since we always know when some new info comes up.
Personally, I don't read spoilers if I don't want to!
Also, I have zero problem in getting the game on friday. ;)

unrandomsam

#94

unrandomsam said:

If they really wanted to stop this then they would do no reviews till after the release and not ship any of the carts from the factory until the day of release. Put it on the eshop at midnight. (Sell more downloads as well).

2Sang

#96

2Sang said:

@Archvile lolwut? You think I'm some xbox fanboy or something? I've been playing since Red in 98 and let me tell you something: this is the worst gen (unless there's good dlc which probably won't happen).
The only good ideas to come out x and y are the pokebank, which will help get rid of illegal pokemon and customization.
Although to be fair, I haven't played yet in 3d so when I do, maybe that'll be another plus.

Ironically, pokemon looks like it could very well become the next call of duty all they have to do is release the game regardless of quality and millions will buy it. I was actually planning on buying both, but now I'm glad I only got 1.

Archvile

#97

Archvile said:

@2Sang yeah gen1 forever. hey what dlc do you think will happen first: pokemon decals or map packs? because all of the games on the DS with DLC (count: none of them) have -really- disappointed me. I can't wait to complain about this game after I play it for 270 hours.

2Sang

#99

2Sang said:

@Archvile
I think map packs possibly with new trainers and extra items like rare candies and rarer hold items.

Since there's virtually no post game in x and y, you really suck if you're playing 270 hours.

Zombie_Barioth

#101

Zombie_Barioth said:

@2Sang
Opinions, opinions, just because you don't like something doesn't automatically make it lower quality, let alone "the next Call of duty". Appearently your still buying it despite that so it can't be that horrible after all.

I'd like to know just where your seeing any casualization. Besides Pokemon generally being easy to begin with, I've yet to see much that fits that category. Hours spent playing doesn't mean anything either, its not a measure of skill.

NightmareXIV

#102

NightmareXIV said:

@2Sang I'm tired of people threatening Nintendo that the won't play their games anymore if they don't meet their demands. it's very childish.

NightmareXIV

#103

NightmareXIV said:

I just simply take a look at some of the new Pokemon nothing more.
All I knew about Black 2, and White 2 when they came out is that they had a new Legendary named Kyurem

2Sang

#105

2Sang said:

@Zombie_Barioth says the grown man (I'm assuming) with a naruto icon.
Nintendrones are the worst. You guys just love whatever they put out, regardless of quality.

@NightmareXIV Of course I'm still buying it, pokemon games are almost always great, it's just that some games are more of a miss than a hit, and this gen looks like a miss. When I mean casualization, I mean pokemon amie and the fact that the trainers and gym leaders look much easier than previous generations (and I hope I'm dead wrong about that).

Zombie_Barioth

#106

Zombie_Barioth said:

@2Sang
I'd say thats pretty fair. I've probably seen just as many people rave about them being the best games yet as there are complaining about them. Hard to say either way if Pokemon Amie is casualizing the game without knowing how potent the effects are, but its presence along isn't.

We don't know any of the Pokemons' stats either so theres no way to know how hard trainers will be, but gym battles they probably won't be as drawn out. Hopefully the new battle styles will at least keep things interesting.

By the way, you mixed up your notifs.

Giygas_95

#107

Giygas_95 said:

I single handedly dodged every last spoiler! Know how?

Well, I'm not interested in Pokemon. Easy as that!

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