So many great games, but one masterpiece that stands above every other game ever made.
Interesting that despite all the hope online for Echoes of Wisdom when it was announced, not a single person has voted for it. That game might be the biggest disappointment of the generation. Not because it’s bad, but because it just can’t live up to the series.
Don’t care about Mario Kart (I’ve tried enough times). Improvement to switch 1 games will be enough for me to be excited because we know Nintendo games WILL come, but Mario and Zelda are my thing. New Mario and a Zelda remaster would be enough to start things off. Also interested in FF7 remake, maybe Elden Ring. Let’s go!
I think it’s either $350 or $400. The last 2 generations Nintendo has kept the price steady. I expect them to keep that up. They won’t want to start TOO high and costs will come down while the price will remain the same.
Taxes are taxes we pay them one way or another. I would prefer to tax goods over income because when you tax something you get less of it. If we get tariffs along with real income tax reform it's likely to lead to good things. Meanwhile some people will proclaim the sky is falling because their preferred political team isn't the one in power. They very likely downplayed tax increases when their "team" enacted them. Strange world we live in.
All things being equal I buy my games from Best Buy. I get 5% back from my Best Buy credit card plus 1% gold points (assuming I paid full price, which is rare, so I'm actually getting more than 1%). Not to mention I regularly get 5% back when I use that card on groceries so the points pile up quickly and I get free games. Overall I think that buying digital is more expensive than buying physical, at least where I am in the U.S. That's to be expected since digital only has one seller, Nintendo. With Physical there is still some competition between Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Wal Mart, etc.
I'm not looking forward to an all digital future and TBH when it happens I will be buying A LOT fewer games. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a lot less likely to even play a digital game. It has to be truly special for me to even remember it exists on my SD Card. Maybe it's a generational thing, but in my mind digital goods have little to no value. I'm not the only one though, look at the prices on mobile app stores, or the sales on Steam. Now if we saw eShop prices like that it would be a different story, but $70? If it's not an absolute top tier Nintendo title no thanks.
If someone were ever to buy Nintendo that would probably be the end of AAA gaming for me. I have very little interest in modern western style games that are mostly chasing the cinematic experience. Nintendo is consistently focused on great gameplay and that’s why I’m here.
Hopefully it will continue to be optional. I played a lot of Splatoon 2 back when the service was free. Once it went paid I had had my fill of online gaming and went without. I prefer offline games for the most part anyway.
@Dan420 Nintendo has “no plans” for a price drop. But they will have plans for a price drop right around the time of the Switch 2 release. This is the same Nintendo that had “no plans” to announce new Switch hardware like the day before they announced the OLED.
My price prediction is still $350 to $400 for Switch 2. I don’t see it going higher.
All the reprints and rereleases really slowed my game purchases down. There’s really no need to buy a game for Switch unless it’s cheap because you’ll always be able to get it for retail price if there’s even mild demand for it. Takes some of the fun out of the hobby, but it’s better for my wallet.
@itsgood2slide You and me both! I tried it on Wii and didn’t get too far. Imported the Switch cartridge and still couldn’t get through it. I want to love the game, but I don’t.
Bloodstained was great, anything in that vain would be welcome. Modern 3D games are usually just an attempt at an interactive movie. I’m not interested in that at all. So unless they’ve got some kind of BOTW level idea for a 3D game I say go back to what worked and give it some modern polish.
Not sure why people are taking the no plans to drop prices on Switch hardware seriously. Those prices will drop. He just doesn’t want to say that now and discourage people from buying what’s on shelves. The 2 will be $349 - $399.
At the end of 2023 I would’ve pegged a 2024 Switch 2 release date as a 100% certainty. 8 years is an awfully long run without a spec bump. It would’ve been more tolerable if we got a Switch Pro back in 2021. I love the Switch, but I don’t enjoy playing a new game like Echoes of Wisdom riddled with slowdown.
I have more than enough software for Switch. I really want a little performance increase with the backwards compatibility of Switch 2 (yeah, I know). I’m expecting new games to start at $70 and I’m going to be much more selective with game purchases. But bring it on already. My body is ready.
@teamdave2002 You can like the terminology or even not care about it, I can dislike it. No one is disputing facts. PinderSchloss gave an opinion on terminology and I supported it. You don't. That's fine. Language changes and evolves and I have opinions on how it does so.
My daughters are older and not gamers. My youngest who is 12 will play and she plays as Yoshi. The awful thing about that is it’s almost impossible not to constantly jump on Yoshi.
@PinderSchloss YES! The word “consumer” is so reductive and insulting. I’m not “consuming” their products (aren’t they supposed to taste bitter anyway, lol). Player would be great, or customer.
I'm in for one. By the time it comes out I'll have enough Best Buy credit to pay for it anyway. My day 1 Switch is still going. I replaced the battery recently. I know there will be plenty of Nintendo software that I will want this year and the last two generations haven't had meaningful discounts on hardware that make it worth it to wait. I am hoping that it will give Switch 1 games a boost enough to solve frame rate issues. Also hoping that Metroid Prime 4 will be better on the new hardware.
I don’t subscribe to the service. I despise monthly fees. Glad it’s there for people who want it, but if they would have released collections of their old games on cartridge for those who want to own them I likely would have bought every collection.
We don’t need bigger mostly empty game boxes. Although given how no game is ever allowed to go out of print on switch. I will be less likely to pick up as many next gen games as I did this time around. It takes the fun out of collecting games, so I’ll do less of that.
@NinChocolate It’s a big deal when you got that preorder at a 20% discount. Luckily I also preordered it at Best Buy before my 20% gamer discount expired because I thought at least one of them would do this. Hopefully Best Buy still comes through.
I own a pc. It’s just never been a gaming machine for me since…I don’t know, Quake 3? Unreal Tournament? I lost interest in FPSs decades ago. I like Nintendo games and buy Nintendo systems. When they stop making physical games I’ll likely stop buying. My backlog will keep me busy after that.
I’ll check this out on sale. I’ve never finished a Mario RPG. I think I tried the Wii one when it came out because TTYD was so highly regarded people were excited for the new one. I have Origami King, but meh. Not sure this series is for me. But for $30 or so I’d be willing to try. Maybe I. Another year.
@coolioam I hate subscriptions, so they likely won’t entice me unless there’s a really great multiplayer game. I did about 2-3 years when I was playing Splatoon 2. I prefer single player games anyway.
TG-16 Ys 1&2 is my all time favorite. Played it through many times back in the day. Never liked Wanderers. Played Mask of the Sun and Dawn of Ys some when they were new, but don’t remember much about them. 30 years ago I never would have thought this series would have as many fans in English speaking countries as it does now.
This reminds me of that scene in Akira Kurosawa’s High and Low where the police bring in a big group of reporters and tell them what’s going on. Then they ask them to publish a false story to help them out and they all agree. The modern audience chuckles at such a quaint idea.
@cedarhyped That’s cool. I don’t buy digital so vouchers don’t really help me. I see deals from Wario64 constantly on those Mario titles, and I got Mario Wonder for $30 last November or December in a QVC deal I saw from him. I guess I just assumed that they had been more widely discounted. BTW, Echoes has already been $51.99 on Woot, but I held off.
@cedarhyped I’m not sure about 2 months, but Mario Wonder, Mario RPG, etc got discounts pretty quickly. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I expect this game will sell ok, not amazing and get discounted. I could be wrong. Normally any actual Zelda game (not Warriors stuff) would be a day one for me, but I’m just not sold on this new mechanic and I’m willing to wait it out.
Holding. I think this one will be discounted by Black Friday. I’m skeptical of the echo gameplay mechanic, but as a Zelda fan going back to the beginning I will give it a shot.
Zelda is my favorite game series and one of my few day one purchases. This one hasn’t ever made me excited to play it, and the fact that none of the gaming press that I saw expressed anything but excitement makes me write off their impressions. I’ll definitely be playing this game for myself, but I’m waiting for a sale. Conjuring objects just doesn’t sound like a fun game mechanic. Hope I’m very wrong.
If Nintendo follows what they’ve done the past 2 generations they’ll pick a price and stick with it for the entire generation. I think it’ll be $349 or $399. They’ll make a profit on it from day one, but that margin will increase over the life of the console.
Would I pay $499? Yes. I would hope that price would be because it’s a powerful machine, but the problem for me is I’m a Nintendo gamer and I want to play Nintendo games. Since they don’t do price drops anymore there really isn’t a reason for me to hold out. Is it too much? Yes. Can I afford it? Yes.
Games on the other hand go on sale. And I’m perfectly content to wait for good deals.
I’ve been ready to move on for more than a year. Not that I don’t use my Switch, but my game purchases really, really slowed down. I bought way too many new and classic RPGs this generation that I’ll probably never start due to their length and my lack of time. At this point I’m culling and selling off quite a few games, although there are probably 150 or 200 that I’ll keep going forward. A much more massive library of games than I’ve ever built for any system before. But I want a new system powerful enough to play the types of games we have been getting without issues. Hopefully it will play current games a bit better too.
I think I’m the only person who finds Wonder and Odyssey disappointing. They both have their moments, but overall I feel like they fail to live up to the best 2D and 3D entries in the series.
Waiting on this one. Regardless who you play as I'm just not convinced the new mechanic will be fun. Hopefully I'm wrong and I pick this game up on sale at some time and have a blast with it.
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Re: Nintendo Announces 'Virtual Game Cards' For Switch, Unlocking Digital Lending
Cool for people who buy digital games. Now maybe if they’ll let you resell them…
Re: Poll: What Switch Game Could You Not Live Without?
So many great games, but one masterpiece that stands above every other game ever made.
Interesting that despite all the hope online for Echoes of Wisdom when it was announced, not a single person has voted for it. That game might be the biggest disappointment of the generation. Not because it’s bad, but because it just can’t live up to the series.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Employee Spills The Beans On The Company's Weirdest Zelda Ad
I haven’t seen that commercial since I was a kid. Always remembered “Which way to go” and “Tektites” though, haha.
Re: Talking Point: What We Expect From The Switch 2 Direct
Don’t care about Mario Kart (I’ve tried enough times). Improvement to switch 1 games will be enough for me to be excited because we know Nintendo games WILL come, but Mario and Zelda are my thing. New Mario and a Zelda remaster would be enough to start things off. Also interested in FF7 remake, maybe Elden Ring. Let’s go!
Re: Former Nintendo Sales Lead Claims Retailers Know "Nothing" About Switch 2 Price
I think it’s either $350 or $400. The last 2 generations Nintendo has kept the price steady. I expect them to keep that up. They won’t want to start TOO high and costs will come down while the price will remain the same.
Re: Opinion: Scrapping Gold Points Makes Sense For Nintendo, But It's A Bitter Pill For Loyal Fans
@Antraxx777 Yeah, too late, or it isn't eligible. That's been most of my gold point experience.
Re: Nintendo "Establishing Ways To Respond" To U.S. Tariffs, Says Furukawa
Taxes are taxes we pay them one way or another. I would prefer to tax goods over income because when you tax something you get less of it. If we get tariffs along with real income tax reform it's likely to lead to good things. Meanwhile some people will proclaim the sky is falling because their preferred political team isn't the one in power. They very likely downplayed tax increases when their "team" enacted them. Strange world we live in.
Re: Opinion: Scrapping Gold Points Makes Sense For Nintendo, But It's A Bitter Pill For Loyal Fans
All things being equal I buy my games from Best Buy. I get 5% back from my Best Buy credit card plus 1% gold points (assuming I paid full price, which is rare, so I'm actually getting more than 1%). Not to mention I regularly get 5% back when I use that card on groceries so the points pile up quickly and I get free games. Overall I think that buying digital is more expensive than buying physical, at least where I am in the U.S. That's to be expected since digital only has one seller, Nintendo. With Physical there is still some competition between Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Wal Mart, etc.
I'm not looking forward to an all digital future and TBH when it happens I will be buying A LOT fewer games. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a lot less likely to even play a digital game. It has to be truly special for me to even remember it exists on my SD Card. Maybe it's a generational thing, but in my mind digital goods have little to no value. I'm not the only one though, look at the prices on mobile app stores, or the sales on Steam. Now if we saw eShop prices like that it would be a different story, but $70? If it's not an absolute top tier Nintendo title no thanks.
Re: Forget Microsoft, Another Company Apparently Wanted To Buy Nintendo Back In The Day
If someone were ever to buy Nintendo that would probably be the end of AAA gaming for me. I have very little interest in modern western style games that are mostly chasing the cinematic experience. Nintendo is consistently focused on great gameplay and that’s why I’m here.
Re: Nintendo President Reiterates Switch Online Will "Continue To Be Available" For Switch 2
Hopefully it will continue to be optional. I played a lot of Splatoon 2 back when the service was free. Once it went paid I had had my fill of online gaming and went without. I prefer offline games for the most part anyway.
Re: Rumour: Placeholder Retail Listing Suggests Switch 2 Price Might Be Cheaper Than Expected
@Dan420 Nintendo has “no plans” for a price drop. But they will have plans for a price drop right around the time of the Switch 2 release. This is the same Nintendo that had “no plans” to announce new Switch hardware like the day before they announced the OLED.
My price prediction is still $350 to $400 for Switch 2. I don’t see it going higher.
Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Is Getting Another Physical Switch Release
All the reprints and rereleases really slowed my game purchases down. There’s really no need to buy a game for Switch unless it’s cheap because you’ll always be able to get it for retail price if there’s even mild demand for it. Takes some of the fun out of the hobby, but it’s better for my wallet.
Re: Random: Hideki Kamiya Would Rather You Not Play Okami On The Wii
@itsgood2slide You and me both! I tried it on Wii and didn’t get too far. Imported the Switch cartridge and still couldn’t get through it. I want to love the game, but I don’t.
Re: Poll: Is It Finally Time For Castlevania To Rise Again?
Bloodstained was great, anything in that vain would be welcome. Modern 3D games are usually just an attempt at an interactive movie. I’m not interested in that at all. So unless they’ve got some kind of BOTW level idea for a 3D game I say go back to what worked and give it some modern polish.
Re: Don't Worry, Nintendo's Thinking About Affordability With Switch 2 Pricing
Not sure why people are taking the no plans to drop prices on Switch hardware seriously. Those prices will drop. He just doesn’t want to say that now and discourage people from buying what’s on shelves. The 2 will be $349 - $399.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Windows For Major Upcoming Switch Games
Most excited for Metroid Prime 4… on Switch 2.
Re: Opinion: With Forecasts Slashed (Again), Absolutely Everyone's Antsy For Switch 2 ASAP
At the end of 2023 I would’ve pegged a 2024 Switch 2 release date as a 100% certainty. 8 years is an awfully long run without a spec bump. It would’ve been more tolerable if we got a Switch Pro back in 2021. I love the Switch, but I don’t enjoy playing a new game like Echoes of Wisdom riddled with slowdown.
I have more than enough software for Switch. I really want a little performance increase with the backwards compatibility of Switch 2 (yeah, I know). I’m expecting new games to start at $70 and I’m going to be much more selective with game purchases. But bring it on already. My body is ready.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss On Switch 2's Name: Nintendo Created So Much "Brand Value"
@NintendoByNature Was just about to say almost the same thing, although I’m indifferent to the name.
Re: Nintendo: Switch 2's Backwards Compatibility Feature Is The "Best Direction" For Consumers
@teamdave2002 You can like the terminology or even not care about it, I can dislike it. No one is disputing facts. PinderSchloss gave an opinion on terminology and I supported it. You don't. That's fine. Language changes and evolves and I have opinions on how it does so.
Re: Opinion: My Daughter Made Me Realise That Mario Wonder's Difficulty Options Need Work
My daughters are older and not gamers. My youngest who is 12 will play and she plays as Yoshi. The awful thing about that is it’s almost impossible not to constantly jump on Yoshi.
Re: Nintendo: Switch 2's Backwards Compatibility Feature Is The "Best Direction" For Consumers
@PinderSchloss YES! The word “consumer” is so reductive and insulting. I’m not “consuming” their products (aren’t they supposed to taste bitter anyway, lol). Player would be great, or customer.
Re: Switch 2 Supply Chain Figures Reportedly Revealed Ahead Of 2025 Launch
I'm in for one. By the time it comes out I'll have enough Best Buy credit to pay for it anyway. My day 1 Switch is still going. I replaced the battery recently. I know there will be plenty of Nintendo software that I will want this year and the last two generations haven't had meaningful discounts on hardware that make it worth it to wait. I am hoping that it will give Switch 1 games a boost enough to solve frame rate issues. Also hoping that Metroid Prime 4 will be better on the new hardware.
Re: Rumour: Switch Virtual Console Was Apparently Nintendo's "Original Plan"
I don’t subscribe to the service. I despise monthly fees. Glad it’s there for people who want it, but if they would have released collections of their old games on cartridge for those who want to own them I likely would have bought every collection.
Re: Round Up: 'Switch 2' Renders Suggest A Sleek, Classy Successor
@MrCarlos46 Different would be fine, I’d just prefer they be smaller for storage purposes.
Re: Round Up: 'Switch 2' Renders Suggest A Sleek, Classy Successor
We don’t need bigger mostly empty game boxes. Although given how no game is ever allowed to go out of print on switch. I will be less likely to pick up as many next gen games as I did this time around. It takes the fun out of collecting games, so I’ll do less of that.
Re: Random: Metroid Prime 4 'OG' Amazon Pre-Orders Are Being Cancelled
@NinChocolate It’s a big deal when you got that preorder at a 20% discount. Luckily I also preordered it at Best Buy before my 20% gamer discount expired because I thought at least one of them would do this. Hopefully Best Buy still comes through.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Future Of Consoles, But Not Nintendo Hardware
I own a pc. It’s just never been a gaming machine for me since…I don’t know, Quake 3? Unreal Tournament? I lost interest in FPSs decades ago. I like Nintendo games and buy Nintendo systems. When they stop making physical games I’ll likely stop buying. My backlog will keep me busy after that.
Re: Poll: After Three Quiet Months, Will We Finally Get A Nintendo Direct In December?
None of the options really match up for me. I think there will likely be at least 1 more direct for Switch 1, but not this month.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Schedule For Its Upcoming Movies
The Mario movie was a huge letdown to me. Too much Illumination and not enough Nintendo. “Fan Service, The Movie” would’ve been a better title.
Dreamworks would’ve been a better partner as many of their films have a decent story.
Re: Reaction: Rest Easy, Folks, Your Switch Backlog Ain't Going Anywhere
What an amazing day! Even more good news! Plus it should be easier to afford now in light of other news that’s out there.
Re: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door On Switch Has Already Outsold The GameCube Original
I’ll check this out on sale. I’ve never finished a Mario RPG. I think I tried the Wii one when it came out because TTYD was so highly regarded people were excited for the new one. I have Origami King, but meh. Not sure this series is for me. But for $30 or so I’d be willing to try. Maybe I. Another year.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Xenoblade Chronicles X For Switch?
I’ll get it on sale, as usual. $66ish bucks is too much for most games.
Re: 'Nintendo Music' Is A New Mobile App Exclusive To Switch Online Members
@coolioam I hate subscriptions, so they likely won’t entice me unless there’s a really great multiplayer game. I did about 2-3 years when I was playing Splatoon 2. I prefer single player games anyway.
Re: 'Nintendo Music' Is A New Mobile App Exclusive To Switch Online Members
This is a cool addition to NSO. Still not enough for me to subscribe, but glad it’s there for those who love to listen.
Re: Best Ys Games Of All Time - Switch And Nintendo Systems
TG-16 Ys 1&2 is my all time favorite. Played it through many times back in the day. Never liked Wanderers. Played Mask of the Sun and Dawn of Ys some when they were new, but don’t remember much about them. 30 years ago I never would have thought this series would have as many fans in English speaking countries as it does now.
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Edition Confirmed For Switch
Cool. Enjoyed XC:DE. Still need to play the others.
Re: Nintendo Asks Switch Online Playtest Program Participants To "Not Discuss Or Disclose Content"
This reminds me of that scene in Akira Kurosawa’s High and Low where the police bring in a big group of reporters and tell them what’s going on. Then they ask them to publish a false story to help them out and they all agree. The modern audience chuckles at such a quaint idea.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
@cedarhyped That’s cool. I don’t buy digital so vouchers don’t really help me. I see deals from Wario64 constantly on those Mario titles, and I got Mario Wonder for $30 last November or December in a QVC deal I saw from him. I guess I just assumed that they had been more widely discounted. BTW, Echoes has already been $51.99 on Woot, but I held off.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
@cedarhyped I’m not sure about 2 months, but Mario Wonder, Mario RPG, etc got discounts pretty quickly. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I expect this game will sell ok, not amazing and get discounted. I could be wrong. Normally any actual Zelda game (not Warriors stuff) would be a day one for me, but I’m just not sold on this new mechanic and I’m willing to wait it out.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
Holding. I think this one will be discounted by Black Friday. I’m skeptical of the echo gameplay mechanic, but as a Zelda fan going back to the beginning I will give it a shot.
Re: Castlevania Dominus Collection Physical Pre-Orders Are Now Open
I thought I was going to get the Konami store one again, like I did with Contra, but I’m not paying $5 more for a different piece of paper.
Re: Rumour: Switch "Successor" Will Be Backwards Compatible, It's Claimed
I want it to be backwards compatible and play Switch games a bit better than the switch does.
Re: Round Up: The Previews Are In For The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
Zelda is my favorite game series and one of my few day one purchases. This one hasn’t ever made me excited to play it, and the fact that none of the gaming press that I saw expressed anything but excitement makes me write off their impressions. I’ll definitely be playing this game for myself, but I’m waiting for a sale. Conjuring objects just doesn’t sound like a fun game mechanic. Hope I’m very wrong.
Re: Emio - The Smiling Man: Famicom Detective Club Is Out Next Week, Will You Be Getting It?
They should have offered the other 2 on a cartridge along with this. I don’t buy digital games, but don’t want to jump in on the 3rd installment.
Re: Talking Point: Would $499 Be Too Much For 'Switch 2'?
If Nintendo follows what they’ve done the past 2 generations they’ll pick a price and stick with it for the entire generation. I think it’ll be $349 or $399. They’ll make a profit on it from day one, but that margin will increase over the life of the console.
Would I pay $499? Yes. I would hope that price would be because it’s a powerful machine, but the problem for me is I’m a Nintendo gamer and I want to play Nintendo games. Since they don’t do price drops anymore there really isn’t a reason for me to hold out. Is it too much? Yes. Can I afford it? Yes.
Games on the other hand go on sale. And I’m perfectly content to wait for good deals.
Re: Poll: Are You Ready To Move On From The Switch?
I’ve been ready to move on for more than a year. Not that I don’t use my Switch, but my game purchases really, really slowed down. I bought way too many new and classic RPGs this generation that I’ll probably never start due to their length and my lack of time. At this point I’m culling and selling off quite a few games, although there are probably 150 or 200 that I’ll keep going forward. A much more massive library of games than I’ve ever built for any system before. But I want a new system powerful enough to play the types of games we have been getting without issues. Hopefully it will play current games a bit better too.
Re: 50 Best Nintendo Switch Games To Play Right Now (2024)
I think I’m the only person who finds Wonder and Odyssey disappointing. They both have their moments, but overall I feel like they fail to live up to the best 2D and 3D entries in the series.
Re: Link Will Be Playable In Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom, According To New ESRB Rating
Waiting on this one. Regardless who you play as I'm just not convinced the new mechanic will be fun. Hopefully I'm wrong and I pick this game up on sale at some time and have a blast with it.
Re: Switch Is Now Nintendo's Longest-Serving Flagship Home Console
It’s been a great run, but my body is ready for a new console! With backwards compatibility because the Switch library needs to stay playable.
Re: Reminder: Zelda Switch Lite 'Hyrule Edition' Pre-Orders Are Now Live, Will You Be Getting It?
Still rocking my day one switch. I see no reason to buy another. Day one for Switch 2 though.