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Tomodachi Collection: New Life Features Same-Sex Marriage For Men, But Not Women

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Suggestions that a patch is on the way

Tomodachi Collection: New Life has been merrily selling a huge number of copies in Japan, with the title still top of the Japanese software charts — at the time of writing — with overall sales of 758,575. While not a particularly familiar brand in the West, Nintendo's quirky Mii-based life-sim is big business in its homeland.

One of the key gameplay components is forging relationships between characters so that they get married, have children and so on; some gamers have found that, for the first time, it's possible to do these things with a same-sex couple. There's a restriction, however, as this only seems to applies to men — women can't have a family or get married in the same way.

It's being reported in some quarters that this new feature is helping to drive additional sales, according to chatter on the web, while there are claims that a Nintendo representative has said that a patch will be released to deal with the 'bug'. It'll be interesting to see whether this prospective patch allows women to pursue same-sex families, or whether the intention is to remove the option entirely.

Gay rights are, at the present time, a highly politicised and important issue around the world, and are becoming increasingly relevant in gaming; titles such as Mass Effect 3 provide same-sex relationship choices to players. Nintendo's actions with this feature are likely, as a result, to attract some attention. If any further details are revealed, we'll keep you posted.

[via destructoid.com, kotaku.com]

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StarDust4Ever

#2

StarDust4Ever said:

So, why can't two women have a little "snookie"?

I know Japan is a little wierd (remember, Vivian from Paper Mario TTYD was originally supposed to be a transvestite), but giving men the option but not women is just sexist.

Einherjar

#3

Einherjar said:

ugh...i can almost hear the crys of the church dwellers talking about nintendo becomming the anti christ about this -.-
I for my part dont find anything special or noteworthy of same sex relationships...people are just people no matter what sexual orientation they have.

snoox

#5

snoox said:

I seriously doubt that a gay option will help move sales in any significant manner in Japan. Well... actually judging from Japanese anime, a girl-girl option might....... >.<

edhe

#6

edhe said:

Ah man, now Tomodachi Collection will never be released in the West!

I hope Nintendo do the right thing and just accept this as a feature (but not before patching in female same-sex relationships).

invmat

#7

invmat said:

@Bulby I completely agree.

I was already disappointed it wasn't possible to let persons of the same gender marry in FE:A, but I guess that was done because of the children.

EDIT: To avoid any misunderstanding, I was reffering to the in-game children,

readyletsgo

#8

readyletsgo said:

Ninty please bring this to the west! Sounds more interesting than AC-NL.
I'd buy it for the option to have same sex relationship in a handheld game, as its true to life for me (well, nearly, in Ireland)
Sales would be larger if it did give women the option too I'm sure. Word of mouth in the gaming LGBTQ community would jump all over this to support it in the west, believe me...

JustYourAverageBleh

#10

JustYourAverageBleh said:

A nice addition. It's nice to know there are options for everybody. I hope this will be localized in the West. Also, I hope they release the patch soon for the ladies. Equality for all, indeed. :)

Harrison_Peter

#11

Harrison_Peter said:

@invmat "because of the children"

Huh? You mean someone at Nintendo believes children shouldn't be exposed to the fact that homosexuality exists? Or did I misunderstand?

ThomasBW84Admin

#15

ThomasBW84 said:

@Whirlpool It looks like it is a "bug", but how Nintendo deals with it will be one to watch. I would hope it'll patch in the ability for women to do the same, but as I said in the article it might go the other way and remove this entirely. I'd like the think the subject-matter's progressed far enough that Nintendo will simply add the female option, but we'll see.

MrWalkieTalkie

#16

MrWalkieTalkie said:

First Animal Crossing New Leaf allows you to dress like a girl or boy despite gender, and now this! Nintendo, you're becoming awesomer and awesomer as you start to appeal to all types of people! :)

Harrison_Peter

#17

Harrison_Peter said:

@invmat Thanks for responding, and that's a really good point. I wonder how they've handled it with the male-male relationships? Point is if they can offer that functionality, makes sense to allow female-female too.

Midnight3DS

#18

Midnight3DS said:

It sounds like the same sex thing is the 'bug', unless this feature was ballyhooed in release hype.

Hong

#19

Hong said:

@invmat

Actually, the historical hero Anri never had any children, yet Marth and his line are considered descendants. What is more is the series is full of characters being adopted or not having any parental links. They could still allow stats/skills to be inherited (parental tutelage) , and just give the child a default hair colour or something. Political correctness aside, i would have enjoyed same sex unity in FE:A just because I would have liked more options.

Haxonberik

#20

Haxonberik said:

Ok I personally dont approve same sex marriage (dont hate me internet!), but its still not right to just put man same sex marriage in if you are going to, and I dont mind the option too much in games as long as they dont force me to use a gay character.

JustYourAverageBleh

#22

JustYourAverageBleh said:

Whoa. So this is just a bug? How disheartening. Nintendo, do the right thing. Don't "fix" what isn't broken. If anything, they should release a patch extending the feature to women same-sex relationships.

Captain_Bagel

#23

Captain_Bagel said:

Does anyone else remember the same-sex options for the ferris wheel date in Pokemon Black/White? I think it was a hiker (if playing as a boy) and a waitress (if playing as a girl)

photofool83

#24

photofool83 said:

This is pretty cool. I hope the patch is to add the option for women, too. Then bring this game to North America, so maybe I can at least get married in a videogame. :)

Banker-Style

#25

Banker-Style said:

Nice to see they're including same sex marriage for men,but its a bit strange not having same sex marriage for women.

Harrison_Peter

#27

Harrison_Peter said:

Disappointed by some of the responses, but only a minority, which is nice :)

Always worth asking yourself a question that gay people are asked all the time. www.upworthy.com/watch-these-straight-people-answer-a-question-gay-people-have-been-asked-for-years-6

Felix_

#28

Felix_ said:

@Haxonberik
You say you don't mind the option as long as "they dont force [you] to use a gay character." I'm curious...What exactly would happen if you play as a gay character? Ever played a game as a female character? Or have you played a game as someone from the different culture. Games are fictional narratives. And the best fiction provide you with new perspectives...

ChaosCrystal

#31

ChaosCrystal said:

Omg this is awesome! I really want this game and since im gay even more now haha. Too bad about women not being able to marry each other. If they can implement same sex marriage for guys why not for women? :/

readyletsgo

#32

readyletsgo said:

@nintendogamerz haha, yeah AC is very good.

I'm guessing the 'patch' is to INCLUDE same-sex relationships for women too, not to remove same-sex altogether.

More of this please Ninty!

Ralizah

#35

Ralizah said:

Hopefully the patch adds the gay marriage option for women. I like the direction Nintendo is going with this. Now I really want it to be released in the West!
@Joshers744 This is a Nintendo themed site, and Tomodachi Collection is a Nintendo game in Japan. The gay marriage feature, AND the weird exclusion of it for women, is admittedly very odd, so it makes sense to make an article about it. If the subject offends you so much, why even click on the article?

Garo

#36

Garo said:

Hopefully the patch is for same-sex relationships for women.

Would've been nice to see same-sex relationships in Fire Emblem: Awakening. Maybe next time?

Peach64

#37

Peach64 said:

As people have said, they're not excluding women, but the same sex relationship is a bug. I really hope they don't patch it out.

I didn't know you could crossdress in New Leaf. That is pretty cool. I've always got the impression that Japan was a lot more relaxed about all this as you get so much cross dressing or transgenderism in anime, manga, JRPGs etc. Even Nintendo games with the paper Mario character and Birdo from Doki Doki Panic.

Nice to see MOST people reacting positively to this too. Proud of you, NLife community!

TeslaChippie

#39

TeslaChippie said:

I'm surprised at a lot of you! Love can take so many forms, and it isn't our place to say which ones are right or wrong. :(

AJWolfTill

#40

AJWolfTill said:

If the patch removes same sex options, I will be furious with Nintendo. There is nothing inappropriate about equal opportunities.

Haxonberik

#41

Haxonberik said:

@felix_ I normally like my character to match me as much as posible, though if it adds something to the narrative I dont care much about using someone different. I just still see this same sex thing in games as a form of showing acceptance and causing controversy too forcedly.

akabenjy

#42

akabenjy said:

I think it would be nice if it was intentional but Nintendo are so afraid to offend religious groups in the west I see them "fixing" this bug. It's funny though because Birdo is a transvestite, there were the Magypsies in Mother 3 and there were openly gay characters in Fire Emblem Awakening (Victor and Vincent). So Nintendo haven't shied away from it in Japan it's just NOA that's the main issue.

AlbertoC

#43

AlbertoC said:

I see this getting published in tabloids, stirring up debate in some countries and irreversibly damaging some people's perception of Nintendo being a family friendly VG company.

For less greater debates have arisen.

Yeah Nintendo, keep it up.

Aviator

#44

Aviator said:

I love how some people are calling Nintendo a family friendly company.

If they remove this 'bug' to cater to families, what about all the families with same-sex parents?

Linkuini

#45

Linkuini said:

Same-sex marriage for men, but not women? That's actually pretty rich. :D Imagine the conversation:

"So, what did we decide about same-sex marriage in this game?"
"Well, it looks like we can't address it in a way that will satisfy everybody, so we're kind of stuck."
"Huh. Say, I wonder if it's possible to address the subject in a way that satisfies nobody..."

edhe

#46

edhe said:

But yeah, I fear Nintendo are probably going to patch it out. The idea of two cartoon male bobbleheads bathing together is very surreal and Japanese, but the whole babies and romance thing will probably be too much for Nintendo.

ChaosCrystal

#47

ChaosCrystal said:

Homosexuality is awesome, im just gonna leave it at that. The world have no place for narrow minded "people"

AVahne

#48

AVahne said:

@Hong
What are you talking about? Anri never had kids, but Marth is counted as his descendant by sharing his bloodline, i.e. Anri's brother having children.
And the only other game where you are in control of children of the adult characters is Seisen no Keifu; hardly the entire series. If you are referring to how there are a few characters that have adoption in their back stories, that's still only minuscule amount. Most characters who've lost their parents are simply orphaned and never truly adopted or were taken into the church. The only characters I can recall outside the children of FE4 that were adopted or would become adopted were Nino (more of a kidnapping and brainwashing) and Erk (if supported with Louise I think).

theblackdragonAdmin

#49

theblackdragon said:

come on, guys, we're not here to pick fights with one another over this. if it's not your cup of tea, don't buy the game (or click the link to view the article, for that matter). if it really bothers you that much (or if you are truly in support of the idea of same-sex options featured in the games you play), contact Nintendo in your region and let them know exactly how you feel. :3

sonicfan1373

#51

sonicfan1373 said:

I think that the people inside Nintendo are quite liberal (considering past efforts to introduce LGBT characters), but I think that a big portion Nintendo's target audience (traditional family units) is more conservative and not yet open to accepting these ideas.

TrueWiiMaster

#52

TrueWiiMaster said:

Is this game more like Harvest Moon, or more like the sims? Eh, either way it won't come to America with a "feature" like this, and I don't really mind. I have no desire to play it if the feature remains.

DarkKirby

#53

DarkKirby said:

I find this pretty hilarious as many media outlets on the U.S. specifically use women as examples for same sex couples (because it's is seen a visually more appealing) and avoid showing same sex couples males.

Ralizah

#54

Ralizah said:

@TrueWiiMaster Why? It doesn't force you to gay marry your characters. I can understand not wanting to play as a gay character if that sort of thing offends you, but isn't it close-minded to shun it entirely because it does have that option for people who do want to play gay characters?

Midnight3DS

#55

Midnight3DS said:

After looking around the interwebs, the whole same sex thing looks like a glitch altogether, and not intended. If this holds true, can't be angry with Nintendo for fixing glitches I would hope.

Einherjar

#56

Einherjar said:

Funny, i was about to reply to a comment on my post, but that seams to be gone by now :D Guess it was too "sinfull" wink :P

TrueWiiMaster

#58

TrueWiiMaster said:

@Ralizah
That was probably a bit of an exaggeration, as I'd still want to play the game, but I'd probably skip it. Besides the fact I don't support homosexuality in general, in games like this, people flirt, right? I would be pretty uncomfortable with guys in the game flirting with me. It may not sound like much, but that really would be enough to steer me away from the game.

Einherjar

#59

Einherjar said:

I dont want to offend anybody but...how can one be so homophobic ? I really dont get why its such a big deal today ? These people are in no way different than "streight" ones. I know this is getting off topic, but its a thing that really gets on my nerves. Two of my best friends are homosexual, and they get so much hate for beeing...well, for just "being" what they are, this is really crazy...
Like i said earlier, i really dont want to offend anybody. Its just like a habbit of defending these people who get so much flak from all sides, its surreal.

Shotgunryugan

#60

Shotgunryugan said:

As a Gay man myself i find this very nice, hopefully they'll fix the problem and allow Women to marry too.

If this comes out in the US then I'll probably support it, as long as the game itself is actually worth it.

I also hope the Gay interaction itself isn't the stereotype...
Like the overly girly/flamboyant fashion expert gay guys with tight jeans and puking rainbows everywhere they go while listening to Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" >.>
/slight stereotype rant.

Bazly

#61

Bazly said:

I am very pleased to see that a majority of the responses on here are positive! Way to go Nintendolife, it is reassuring to know that I am (mostly) welcome here! Unfortunately it can be hard to tell in the gaming world...

H_Hunter

#62

H_Hunter said:

Knock it off. I'm not going to ask for civil discussion in here again — TBD

theblackdragonAdmin

#63

theblackdragon said:

@Einherjar: Believe me, I know how you feel. However, this isn't really the place to get into the 'why's and 'how's; i'm sure if you open your eyes and look around you'll see where hate comes from and how it spreads.

That said, this game was nowhere on my radar, and now i'm interested in seeing it come westward, same-sex relationships intact. :3

Einherjar

#64

Einherjar said:

I already deleted the comment to which you were responding, and I'd appreciate it if we could end our discussion where I left it, please — TBD

citizenerased

#65

citizenerased said:

Wow, good on Nintendo for doing this! Never expected them to be so progressive.

EDIT: Just read the whole article, so it might just be a bug and nintendo would remove it? That would probably spark a debate.

Intrepid

#66

Intrepid said:

I also don't support homosexuality, but I tolerate it when I see it. I have nothing against gay people; they are the nicest people you can meet.
Please, this isn't the place for that debate — TBD

As for the game, if men can marry, then women should too. I don't have to buy the game, but I know it is important to some people.

ShadJV

#67

ShadJV said:

Wow, looks like Nintendo got themselves into a bit of a pickle. Now they have two "solutions": piss off those pro-gay marriage by fixing the glitch, or piss off those against gay marriage by patching in to officially allow all gay marriage (both male and female). Or I suppose the third option is to do nothing, though that will piss off people in both groups. I'm interested to see how Nintendo resolves this, considering their install base is likely a mixture of liberal and conservative families.

Bluezealand

#68

Bluezealand said:

Gay people deserve as much as everyone to be happy and loved. It's nice to see so many supportive comments regarding this topic, especially since many people of the gaming community are -at least from my point of view- pretty homophobic.
I just don't understand how some people can be so full of hate, only because there are others who don't live the life they'd approve. Actually, I don't even understand how someone could have the impression they had the right to disapprove another persons lifestyle (or more fitting, since its nothing you'd choose, another persons identity, its 'self').

Arcamenel

#71

Arcamenel said:

As a gay man I'd love for this to come stateside and for the patch to be inclusive of women-women relationships and not take out the man-man ones. However I don't base my games off just that because then I'd have pretty much nothing to play. I don't know much about the game but if it's something I'd be into I'll buy it regardless.

Midnight3DS

#72

Midnight3DS said:

@ShadJV

The problem is, if it was intended in the first place, it should be something made known before release. Like it or not, people have different opinions on the matter, and should be given the ability to make an informed decision on the purchase. Don't know exactly what they'll do now.

Denkou

#73

Denkou said:

Okay yeah, I know I was kinda out of line with my comments before but I'm starting to agree with theblackdragon.

This is not the place to debate stuff. Its a glitch. It may or may not be "fixed" whatever your definition of "fixed" may be. Everyone has their own opinions, mine and several others happen to be religious. Let's be honest: no one cares.

Bluezealand

#74

Bluezealand said:

@Midnight3DS: Would you also argue, that a game involving black characters needs to 'inform' people about that, because some might find it inappropriate?

theblackdragonAdmin

#75

theblackdragon said:

@Mr_Trill281: Your 'freedom of speech' ends where our Community Rules begin. You have already been e-mailed regarding that particular comment, please check your inbox for details.

@BlueZealand, @Arcamenel: Another user above brought up how having a male NPC hit on his own male character would probably be off-putting and a turn-off in terms of him enjoying this particular game, as it's apparently a glitch in the system and not specifically programmed to work that way (meaning there's no way to turn it off if it bothers you, either). I believe that may be what Midnight3DS is referring to in terms of being 'forewarned' if it's something that bothers you.

Moorpheel

#76

Moorpheel said:

Something tells me that by fixing the bug they mean remove male couples...

I hope I'm wrong though! Some variety in sim games never hurt anyone.

theblackdragonAdmin

#77

theblackdragon said:

Also, I'm going to start handing down temporary bans for users who continue to refuse to listen to me in this thread and continue attempting to debate and tear each other down instead of focusing on the game and article at hand. Please stop, guys. I'm not going to ask again.

Midnight3DS

#79

Midnight3DS said:

@Bluezealand

Because it's a hot button issue that isn't yet pocketed like skin color. Because one person thinks they know what's right, doesn't make it the standard everyone has to accept.

And done, don't want to make TBD start shooting angry dragon flames.

Melkaticox

#80

Melkaticox said:

Those not approving same sex marriage/relationships are people I do not agree with, as simple as that :]
Please don't start the argument up again — TBD

Good for Ninty. It kind of sounds like the 'bug' is the same-sex marriage thing...sigh.
Hopefully they're just going to remove the option of one of the dudes being pregnant o________o

Bluezealand

#81

Bluezealand said:

@theblackdragon: sorry that I took part in this off-topic and highly sensitive discussion. To be more on topic: As many previously mentioned, I also hope Nintendo will include same sex marriages for females as well when they fix it, instead of scrapping it altogether. If they bring this game to Europe and the Americas, I might take a closer look. :)

@Midnight3DS: I'd like to answer you regarding this, but here is not the right place. But please understand, that it is pretty offending to demand some kind of 'warning label' to people, who are actually gay.

Felix_

#82

Felix_ said:

@Haxonberik It is an issue of representation. If we assume that at least 10% of people are gay or queer in some way. Then that percentage should correspond to the characters we see in games. So even if it is "causing controversy too forcedly", it is also about correcting heterosexist or heteronormative representation in the video games industry. But I suppose some people don't care about human diversity and the politics of representation. Perhaps my point is nullified by the profit-orientated nature of the gaming industry. It is all about selling a product, not about changing the world...

Jaz007

#83

Jaz007 said:

I think if it entirely a bug that males can be gay in the first place then people shouldn't get offended by the removal. If they didn't mean to put it in in the first place then it should be thought of as if it was never in there in the first place.

So I'm wondering what's happening in the bath tub and stuff, never would have thought Nintendo would let you see Miis have children so I'm wondering what you see here.

@TrueWiiMaster, I have to agree with what you've said in your second post, having a male hitting in me would make me uncomfortable. So that would this feature would be a mark down for me too.

Jukilum

#85

Jukilum said:

I think this bug/feature will be removed entirely. It would probably take more effort than it is worth to put in an adoption mechanic for children, because regardless of your views on the subject, it is not physically possible for a same sex couple to have biological children.

Moorpheel

#87

Moorpheel said:

@jazz07 and @TrueWiiMaster: I wouldn't worry about that, most games that include the "gay option" usually need you to actively look for it if it interests you, they rarely have it as a default value of sorts. It's not like gay people in real life are creepers that hit on every single person they find either.

theblackdragonAdmin

#88

theblackdragon said:

@Jukilum: (a) it is entirely possible for same-sex couples to have biological children. In the case of male couples, it requires a surrogate mother, and in the case of female couples, it requires a sperm donor. There are also other considerations to be made when male-to-female and female-to-male trans-people are in the picture, of course.
(b) It's a game. it's meant to be fun for the player. i doubt it goes through all the grim details of pregnancy anyway, so whatever glossing-over they do for heterosexual couples, surely they could do that for homosexual couples if programming effort is to be kept to a minimum.

HeroponLuigi

#90

HeroponLuigi said:

@ThomasBW84 This bug does more harm than good in fact in my opinion it does absolutely no good I am even offended that they added this feature but putting me aside most parents do not want their children thinking that same sex couples are normal or acceptable therefore the small percentage of sales Nintendo could get from having this option in the game will be offset by the much larger amount of sales they will lose

Squid

#94

Squid said:

Well, I hope Nintendo allows female same-sex relationships in the game. Though it seems that it wasn't even intended to have the male options either, so
I guess I can't really blame them for putting the game back to how they wanted it...

Now, I don't want to start anything else religious, but I only want to say that I consider myself to be Christian, but I am absolutely 100% for pro-gay and for equal rights. Maybe I can't truthfully call myself a Christian, then, if that's a contradiction, but I won't be one if I can't accept any LGBTQ person or ideas. (no trouble TBD, remove this part if you think it'll start something)

But as I said, I hope Nintendo will keep allowing the same-sex relationship option. It would be one step against prejudice in the gaming community.

ShadJV

#95

ShadJV said:

@Felix_

That last point should be taken into consideration. Lots of games don't even give players a choice of sex or even race. And not even just story heavy games. Harvest Moon didn't give players the choice of being female until recently. Minorities aren't always represented in video games but not necessarily for discriminatory purposes. As much as many of us game designers, especially indie developers, see game design as an art, in the case of larger corporations such as Nintendo, the industry is profit driven. Big game companies are more likely to focus their resources on the majorities in their demographics, not the minorities. In the case of mechanics such as virtual dating/marriage, there is more to take into account than with sex or race (which is more or less just swapping the character's model and sometimes a bit of text). Of course, some games might not need much alteration to allow homosexual marriage, but it remains a minority. As we go forward, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more games allow gay marriage but it's also worth noting this is a topic of high tension. By openly picking a side, game companies can risk alienating parts of the demographic that disagrees with their decision, and given there is so much controversy right now that could be harmful to their profits. Whether it's right or wrong, most of these companies are in fact profit driven and more likely won't implement anything that's currently such a heated topic.

Moorpheel

#96

Moorpheel said:

@ShadJV: About Harvest Moon... The option to play as a girl has been in the series since the second game (GB). I don't know why they took it out of most other games after that.

I guess they just didn't want to figure a realistic way to work around your character being pregnant (in the first few games that allowed both female PCs and marriage, the game just ended after the second) or simply didn't want to program the whole "play as a girl" part to save space and time.

In newer games they just pretend pregnant women can go around farming and ranching the day before the delivery like it's nothing :P

Captain_Balko

#97

Captain_Balko said:

Good for Nintendo. It was very mature of them to include this option (unless it was a glitch, in which case they should release a patch that makes it NOT a glitch and a part of the actual game - along with two female relationships) and I'm genuinely impressed. Bravo, Nintendo. Promoting equality always has positive outcomes.

RudysaurusRex

#98

RudysaurusRex said:

Even though I am a Christian, I believe in equality for all genders and races. (Screw you Westboro.) This is strange for Nintendo. To add homosexuality for men and not women. Just the closed mindedness of a lot of these posts astound me.

FonistofCruxis

#99

FonistofCruxis said:

I'm gay so I'm glad that this has been included in the game. Although, it might be a glitch so I hope they fix it by making it a part of the game rather than removing it as well as including same sex relationships for women as well. If that picture in the bottom left is of a pregnant man then I hope they remove that as that's just wrong. Hopefully this game sees a western release but considering it's predecessor didn't, I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't either.

Nightingale

#100

Nightingale said:

@theblackdragon Didn't really think my comments were tearing anybody down-- certainly that wasn't my intent, anyway, and certainly not ALL of them-- guess I'm a little unclear about what's permissable and what isn't, here, because other similar comments are still up, and this article frankly invites them.

xinoeph

#103

xinoeph said:

I seriously can't wait for the day where an article like this doesn't start a huge debate. I'm not gay but all the hate towards gay people makes me sick. They're still people!
Anyways I hope they add female same-sex marriage to this game. Please nintendo make me proud.

HandheldGuru97

#105

HandheldGuru97 said:

Thank you whoever put this in the game!!!! Now add in as a real feature and make Female to Female relationships.

SkywardLink98

#107

SkywardLink98 said:

I assume when you say that same-sex marriages having children you mean adopt, because without some pretty extensive (and probably impossible) surgery, it's impossible for two men to have a child.
@StarDust The original Mass Effect actually allowed women to have a same sex relationship but not men. Not too sure about Mass Effect but odds are both were just glitches.

mullen

#109

mullen said:

Unless the issue has been officially claimed by Nintendo, or at least reported by Japanese game media (not social or joke media), I believe that western media is cheated by those players. The screenshots mean nothing, because the gender of Mii has no relationship with the appearance, voice, personality, or clothes. (Everyone should know that you can create a female Mii with all male component in Mii Studio, since none component has gender porperty). This trick is commonly known for this game, so maybe it's just those players created this news.
Whatever, if it's true, it will be interesting to see what Nintendo will do.

Marks

#110

Marks said:

Awww this is so cute, I hope they include same sex marriage for women too~

StarDust4Ever

#111

StarDust4Ever said:

Hmmm, a lot of NL users just came out of the closet? As a strait man, I can honestly say that I never "chose" to like girls. In fact I didn't get the whole girl/boy thing until this cute little redhead winked at me in my 6th grade math class. I winked back at her. Then it dawned on me, "Oh, I get it now. I like girls." :* Never mind 3 months later she broke my heart :'( but that didn't stop me from liking other girls in the future, maybe because I'm just "wired" that way... ;) But what if it had been different? I had a college ex-roommate who was openly gay. His experience growing up was opposite that of mine, and it led to years of turmoil and confusion. He gave me a lot of insight on the whole "nature vs choice" argument. As a result, I now also support equal rights for all gender preferences on the basis that allowing homosexuals to "be happy" will have zero to nil impact on the majority of strait couples or families. Not to mention, if gay couples are allowed to marry and adopt children, then a girl or boy raised by two loving moms or two loving dads will have a much better shot at a normal childhood, especially since that's one less child forced to grow up in the foster care system.

Back to the topic at hand, I believe Nintendo of Japan will make gay marriage a feature for both genders, and the US release (if we ever get it, which isn't likely) will revert to heterosexuals only. As a family friendly game company, Nintendo of America is not going to risk a potential boycott or media backlash: Anyone remember the Disney boycotts in the 90s? Nintendo of America is nowhere near as powerful as Disney, so a boycott of similar magnitude could kill them as a company. But I could totally see EA going full steam ahead by releasing a GLBT expansion pack for their Sims franchise.

SkywardLink98

#112

SkywardLink98 said:

I think the bug was that there was gay marriage at all. It's men only, and they can have children (not sure if it's adoption or not though) so it sounds to me like the bug was there was gay marriage at all. If not the bug was that women couldn't do it, so it's not like nintendo's being unfair to women or anything, just a lack of testing.
@TenEighty I actually have to agree with you. I've never known any gay person, so I'm always surprised by the sheer amount of demand there is for this stuff.

gundam00

#113

gundam00 said:

I think this is excellent news! It's about time equality enters the video game realm. Unfortunately, I think this feature will be removed by NOA, since NOA has a long history of censoring games (I'm not familiar with NOE). Those "Did You Know? Gaming" YouTube videos do a great job highlighting a lot of the censorship that has gone on since the NES days.

I personally don't support games that involve marriage-discrimination such as Fire Emblem and Harvest Moon. As much as I would like to play those games, I find the marriage inequality to be too repulsive.

There was a great discussion a couple years ago about Dragon Age II having gay relations. A self-identified straight male complained about the game having gay characters and how the developers neglected their core users which the user said were straight males, while demanding that all future games have a setting to disable gay characters within the game. Here are a couple highlights from one of the game's developers refuting the "straight male" user's demands:

The majority has no inherent “right” to get more options than anyone else.

You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them.

And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least.
source: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/57645454.html

Thanks @theblackdragon for all your hard work keeping NintendoLife a safe place for users to openly participate in a discussion by keeping the thread civil and hate-free; it's a tough job! Cheers!!

Moorpheel

#115

Moorpheel said:

@StarDust: Gay couples have been in The Sims since the first game.

@gundam00: To me, not playing a game only because it doesn't offer same gender marriages is about as weird as not playing one because it does. Anyway...

k8sMum

#117

k8sMum said:

@HeroponLuigi
This bug does more harm than good in fact in my opinion it does absolutely no good I am even offended that they added this feature but putting me aside some parents do not want their children thinking that same sex couples are normal or acceptable...

fixed that for you.

gundam00

#118

gundam00 said:

@Morphtorok Why would I want to support a game that discriminates other people??? Not sure why you think "supporting discrimination" is the same as "not supporting discrimination"?

Intrepid

#119

Intrepid said:

If it was unintended, it should be removed. If they meant to include it (I doubt it), they should go ahead with it. Plain and simple.

This reminds me of the original Spider Man game on the Gamecube. There was a scene at the end where Spider Man kisses Mary-Jane after saving her, but through the use of a cheat code (GIRLNEXTDOOR), you could play as Mary-Jane. Since this character modification is kept in cutscenes, it literally showed Mary-Jane kissing herself. From my understanding of how the story went, a kid's mom discovered this and complained, and the code to play as Mary-Jane was removed in subsequent copies of the game. I still have one of the original copies, and still find it an interesting trick.

Meaty-cheeky

#120

Meaty-cheeky said:

Nintendo needs to fix this glitch fast before this story gets big, because their going to have plenty of upset parents on their hands if not taken care of.

Intrepid

#123

Intrepid said:

@gundam00 Morphtorok is simply saying that just because a game has or does not have gay relationships/marriage should not be your sole factor for playing/ignoring the game. Also, just because gay marriage is not present in a game does not mean gays are being discriminated against. I don't know where you got that from. Fire Emblem: Awakening didn't have gay marriage, but that didn't stop people from buying it or from considering "supporting discrimination".

theblackdragonAdmin

#125

theblackdragon said:

is this game even slated to come westward? i just looked it up, and apparently this is a revamp or sequel to a JP-only DS version release...?

gundam00

#126

gundam00 said:

@Intrepid Marriage is a big component in Harvest Moon and Fire Emblem (unlike Mario and Zelda), and when they purposely restrict their players to straight marriage only, that discriminates against players who are gay because it tells them they can only participate in straight marriages. And the fact that these games could have included gay marriage but chose to neglect it, is more sign that leaving out gay marriage was intentional and rooted in discrimination.

Also, if gay marriage in Tomodachi was unintended, why should it be removed? Some people seem to enjoy that feature. Why would you want to take someone's happiness away from them?

Intrepid

#127

Intrepid said:

I don't believe that there is any malicious intent by not including gay marriage in a game. Perhaps it wasn't as important to the person, or maybe they don't have anything against gay people but just favor the traditional form of marriage. No one is forced to have to include gay marriage in a game if they don't want to, and they shouldn't be labled as discriminatory for that decision. And you can always vote with your wallet if you feel it should be included in every game.

TrueWiiMaster

#128

TrueWiiMaster said:

@gundam00
I don't think it's quite that cut and dry. Let's say Harvest Moon did have gay marriage. Who would be the eligible bachelors? Would they add additional characters, or make the existing characters in the game be open to both homosexual and heterosexual relationships (since you can often choose to be either a man or a woman)? Either way, it would make things much more awkward for straight players. On top of that, Harvest Moon games often involve having kids. Though possible with outside help, as previously mentioned, no gay couple can have children on their own, adding another rather awkward angle the game would have to approach. It's not so simple as just including gay marriage. In games like Harvest Moon it would add a lot of work for minimal return. I would tend to think it would be even worse for Fire Emblem.

Intrepid

#129

Intrepid said:

@gundam00 Also, a game does not automatically discriminate against gay marriage by simply not including it. It would, however, if it was openly attacking gay marriage in the game. Can you see the huge difference there?

SqueakyTheBone

#131

SqueakyTheBone said:

Haha, I love how after you're done yammering about this so called 'traditional marriage' you have the audacity to talk about treating gay people "fairly without thought to their sexual preferences". Hypocrisy truly is a wonderful thing.

Also, perhaps some people don't understand this, but being gay ain't a choice. Your petty religious beliefs on the other hand, are. Just think about that before you go screaming about discrimination towards your high and mighty 'beliefs'.

Midnight3DS

#132

Midnight3DS said:

TBD said it best. Let Nintendo know how you feel one way or another. Time for this topic to flush.

k8sMum

#134

k8sMum said:

there's a big, diverse world out there, guys. some of you have not yet been exposed to much of the world.

it takes work to put yourself in another's shoes and walk in them. it can be an expansive experience. believe it or not, some of you will change your attitude to some things as you grow older. some won't. tolerance is not innate: it is a choice.

very, very little in this world/life is black and white: the shades of grey are where life truly is.

Intrepid

#135

Intrepid said:

I was going to post another long winded rebuttal toward gundam00, but I can see TBD deleated most of the messages, but that is probably for the best. I'm really getting tired of arguing with him anyway. I will just say @gundam00 that I hope you can get over your intolerance of people who have different opinions than you.

I knew the messages would be deleted, so I copied and pasted them into a word document for me to archive and preserve. I'm getting a kick out of reading these.

theblackdragonAdmin

#136

theblackdragon said:

@Intrepid: I'm glad that you've preserved those messages for yourself, but perhaps not for the same reasons you are: I genuinely hope that someday you can understand where he was coming from the entire time and perhaps empathize with his situation. Your mere 'opinion' is his entire life, after all. :/

I'd appreciate it if you stopped attempting to stir up the nest after-the-fact. It's gone. Let it lie.

Squid

#137

Squid said:

@gundam00 - I only want to say that is unfair to call a game discriminatory of same-sex marriage simply because it isn't in the game. I've not played a Harvest Moon game, but I can say that in the case of Fire Emblem, it is absurd to say that it restricts "the player"(????) from having same-sex relationships. The game has characters that Nintendo created and deigned to have their own personalities. If they choose to not make said characters homosexual, it is their choice. They are in no way discriminating, and it is absolutely ridiculous to feel offended if any of a person's minorities aren't included in a game with story and original characters. My point is, if you're watching a movie and the main character gets married to a person of the opposite gender, does that make the makers of the film discriminatory of homosexuals and therefore you should be offended by it? Well, you certainly shouldn't. Sims is a different case, because you can create your own characters and have them do what they want and marry who they want, it's your choice. Granted, in FE:A you can let them marry who they want, but Nintendo chooses if they want the characters to be gay or not. If anything, they are not discriminating. Please just keep that in mind.

C-Olimar

#138

C-Olimar said:

Seems weird to include it only for men; pretty much makes it seem unintentional to me.
However, since the feature is pretty popular, I think they may use the patch to include female gay marriage ;)
@theblackdragon I don't think it was ever coming to the West, but strong sales in Japan may convince them. Plus, I think it's a game that would appeal to enough people to make a decent profit.

Henmii

#140

Henmii said:

Whoa, Japan thinks out of the box! No way will it ever be released in America!!

FonistofCruxis

#141

FonistofCruxis said:

I agree with @CaptainSquid. Although it does disappoint me that games like the Harvest Moon and Fire Emblem series don't include same sex marriage, I don't take offence to it as they do nothing to oppose the concept of gay marriage but I would like it if more games allowed such options. I think it's more important for this to be included in future HM games than FE as in Fire Emblem you're just pairing units in your army together but the Harvest Moon series is a life style sim so gay players should be able to make decisions that reflect the ones they would make in real life but I still think it should be included in future FE games as I would like to see gay characters represented more in video games. I especially hope to see this in the Rune Factory series as that series interests me unlike the two I just mentioned. I might still get some RF games but I'd feel more inclined to do so if they included same sex relationships.

@Intrepid and @TrueWiiMaster Adding same sex relationships to games doesn't have to make it more awkward for straight players. They could just let the player choose their sexuality at the start of the game and then they will only be hit on by the gender that they're interested in.

CanisWolfred

#142

CanisWolfred said:

In...ter...est...ing. That's the exact opposite of the usual bubkes you see, but still manages to be bubkes. If you gonna go with same sex marriges, you might as well go the whole 9 yards, you know?

AVahne

#143

AVahne said:

@Hong
Why yes I have; both of them, twice. But right now I can only recall a couple adopted children in those games, and that would be Amy (unplayable) and Soren. Still not quite that many. Care to remind me of the others?
But anyway, I do agree that Nintendo could've put in an option for those who wanted it. Although in the end they didn't, at least it's not like IS is completely opposed to the idea. We got Heather after all.

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