Gave it a 9 but after some thought would probably rather have given an 8. I’m 2.5 dungeons in. And whilst frame rate doesn’t bother me as much, the poorly implemented echo selection really does. Especially given TotK was an absolute shocker in this regard, possibly implemented slightly better.
Echos should be presented in a few rows sorted by some group - monsters, environmental, puzzle where you can scroll left and right and up and down.
And yes, probably I’m not very far in, but Zelda and echoes just doesn’t feel like it’s enough for a whole game. I’m hoping another layer of complexity or harder puzzles is needed
My OG switch is a clunky broken ass rig that somehow barely still works, so I’m hanging out for switch 2 and will be an early adopter. Bring it on now before my switch finally dies.
It’s nice to see Nintendo change the formula every now and then. Zelda would not be the franchise it is today if it got the EA sports carbon copy remake approach.
Well now that the cat is out of the bag Nintendo will be thinking “when will we have adequate stock to launch” and “when will the launch line up be adequate”
That’s probably the hold up now. I really like that point about people who buy a switch MK8 bundle probably have no idea about switch 2. I hadn’t thought about it that way before.
Yup. Built mine. It’s better than I thought. But having to choose OoT or BotW was difficult… and I know I’ll never go back and build the other one. So I built BotW
These games were my intro to gaming, so the nostalgia is very very strong. Interestingly the sound track for last ninja 2 alone is phenomenal and has some significant similarity to my untrained ear with some rob zombie work much later on.
Previously on Wii VC last ninja 3 was unplayable and was removed as past level one would never load.
I’m sure time is not kind to these games, and I doubt many will enjoy, but i do think they are an essential piece of gaming history, even if it’s just the musical work of ninja 1 and 2.
PSA: I am very biased on this one
EDIT: Don’t normally do this but had to support this kickstarter
Sounds positive. Since the switch led to the true handheld demise, I wasn’t ever sure we would see another original top down Zelda. This is the game I didn’t know I needed and wanted. I will be playing this with the kids day 1.
Presumably a switch 2 announcement would impact sales on some of these games, so I would assume switch 2 announcement won’t drop for at least 4, more likely 6 months
In my teens and early twenties, I had a big problem finding a balance with gaming and life responsibilities. I played a few games excessively… Diablo 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Tony Hawk, Tekken 3. Dropped out of uni and was staring at stacking shelves for the rest of my life. Gave up gaming until the Wii and 3DS and by that stage I had so many other responsibilities in my life I couldn’t fall down the gaming rabbit hole again.
So yeah, the 100% comments resonate with me and I had to learn to be okay with good enough rather than perfect.
Cobra triangle was ok… I remember playing it a bit back in the day. Otherwise, 7 titles is a pretty big step up in the normal rate of game re-releases.
They are going to have to change the game selection screen in NSO as the current set up is just not user friendly with a larger game library
Yeah seems to me people are overthinking it. Play games to escape, not deep dive into analysis of sex and gender and their evolving roles in modern society. If you don’t like the game idea/mechanic that’s cool. Don’t play it. No need for soapboxes here
Portal and Shadow of colossus have always been on my list. I knew they would never come to a Nintendo system… but then portal arrived. Maybe I can hope for shadow of the colossus. Always been on my play list.
I’m actually looking forward to MP4 and hoping for remakes of MP 2&3. Also hoping for TP and MM so my kids can play though. Echoes is up there, but probably behind the switch 2 reveal for me.
@Cipher36 loved way of the warrior. White zombie doing the sound track was immense. Road rash had sound garden on the sound track too. The 3DO was a pretty good system.
Crash and burn was another game I played a lot of
I second your vote for 3DO and salute your brilliant taste in games… I played almost all of your list A LOT
Yeah I’m blown away that this is 3-6 months off release and this is the first we’ve heard of it and no leaks or spoilers. That in itself is completely mental
You can only make 4 echos - this could be upgradable because 3 would have made more sense… Tri has little triangles behind him/her that get used up with each echo you create
Even though much of this is not for me, there were a significant number of games which have huge followings.
Also Nintendo managed to keep so much under wraps… new Mario brotherhood game, new Zelda game, MP4 less kept secret but still a huge deal. That stray game, I knew nothing about because I don’t own other consoles but former GOTY contender… that’s pretty big too.
So I have to give this a 10. Quality of games is high, but more importantly Nintendo kept this all under wraps.
New Mario, new Zelda, new Metroid, dragon quest etc. It would be hard to top this without the switch 2 reveal direct having similar catalogue + Mario kart
Others have started speculating on switch 2 release now and to add my 5 cents, they would be crazy not to aim for coming into Christmas 2025… peak sales period, lots of time to keep manufacturing units and time for ports… lots of ports
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Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom?
Gave it a 9 but after some thought would probably rather have given an 8. I’m 2.5 dungeons in. And whilst frame rate doesn’t bother me as much, the poorly implemented echo selection really does. Especially given TotK was an absolute shocker in this regard, possibly implemented slightly better.
Echos should be presented in a few rows sorted by some group - monsters, environmental, puzzle where you can scroll left and right and up and down.
And yes, probably I’m not very far in, but Zelda and echoes just doesn’t feel like it’s enough for a whole game. I’m hoping another layer of complexity or harder puzzles is needed
Re: Random: The Latest 'Switch 2' Rumour? Scroll Wheel Shoulder Buttons
I call BS. Happy to be proven wrong though.
Re: Rumour: 'Switch 2' Could Launch Early Next Year, Claims Accessory Company
My OG switch is a clunky broken ass rig that somehow barely still works, so I’m hanging out for switch 2 and will be an early adopter. Bring it on now before my switch finally dies.
Re: Nintendo To Go In 'Different Direction' To Current AI Trends, Says Miyamoto
Just vague enough that it seems to mean something without meaning anything
Re: Nintendo Submits "Mysterious New Wireless Device" To FCC
Sensor bar would make… sense. I found the joycons terrible at remaining centred. It made world of goo almost unplayable
Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Announced For Switch
I’ll get this because nostalgia
Re: Echoes Of Wisdom Originally Starred Link, Until His Sword & Shield "Got In The Way"
It’s nice to see Nintendo change the formula every now and then. Zelda would not be the franchise it is today if it got the EA sports carbon copy remake approach.
Re: Talking Point: So Then, Is This 'Switch 2' Leak Legit?
Switch daisy chaining? Sounds controversial.
Well now that the cat is out of the bag Nintendo will be thinking “when will we have adequate stock to launch” and “when will the launch line up be adequate”
That’s probably the hold up now. I really like that point about people who buy a switch MK8
bundle probably have no idea about switch 2. I hadn’t thought about it that way before.
Re: Review: LEGO The Legend Of Zelda - Great Deku Tree 2-in-1 - A Superb Debut With One Minor Irritation
Yup. Built mine. It’s better than I thought. But having to choose OoT or BotW was difficult… and I know I’ll never go back and build the other one. So I built BotW
Re: The Last Ninja Collection Brings Seven Retro Games To Switch In 2025
Omg yes! Hopefully last ninja 3 works this time.
These games were my intro to gaming, so the nostalgia is very very strong. Interestingly the sound track for last ninja 2 alone is phenomenal and has some significant similarity to my untrained ear with some rob zombie work much later on.
Previously on Wii VC last ninja 3 was unplayable and was removed as past level one would never load.
I’m sure time is not kind to these games, and I doubt many will enjoy, but i do think they are an essential piece of gaming history, even if it’s just the musical work of ninja 1 and 2.
PSA: I am very biased on this one
EDIT: Don’t normally do this but had to support this kickstarter
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom's Master Works Has Some Suggestions On Kass' Whereabouts
Was kass the guy that kept telling us poems/songs in BOTW? Yeah I’m more for the sky island squish theory above or monster lunch.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Almost Had A Different Name
I thought the name release was also delayed due to the death of queen elizabeth? Or did I get caught up in internet rumours?
Re: Round Up: The Previews Are In For The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
Sounds positive. Since the switch led to the true handheld demise, I wasn’t ever sure we would see another original top down Zelda. This is the game I didn’t know I needed and wanted. I will be playing this with the kids day 1.
Re: Mario Kart Toys Zoom Into McDonald's Australia Happy Meals This Week
I don’t know if my body is ready to eat 8 happy meals
Re: Random: Game Dev Builds Baffling Contraptions To Solve Zelda: TOTK Addison Puzzles
Completely unnecessary. That’s two thumbs up from me!
Re: Nintendo Direct August 2024 - Every Announcement & Game Reveal From The Indie World & Partner Showcases
Presumably a switch 2 announcement would impact sales on some of these games, so I would assume switch 2 announcement won’t drop for at least 4, more likely 6 months
Re: Nintendo Is Expanding Switch Online's NES Library With Another Classic
Original NES Tetris. I would assume that’s potentially a big deal? Is NES Tetris the preferred version for competitive play?
Re: Zelda: TOTK 'Master Works' Art Book Looks Stunning In New Introductory Video
Did you mention timeline? Just getting my popcorn and waiting for the comments to blow up.
Re: Random: Nintendo Reveals The Player Prediction Methods Used To Cut Zelda: TOTK's Load Times
That some of these games even run on the switch is amazing.
Re: Nintendo Reminds Us It's Not Ready To Announce The "Switch Successor"
The ‘We are not announcing the successor’ statement is still a form of marketing for switch 2 lol
Re: Talking Point: Would $499 Be Too Much For 'Switch 2'?
I’ve worked hard and have a pretty good job now. And have 3 kids who would all play it, so I’m pretty sure I’ll get value out of it.
Re: Donkey Kong 'Lego Ideas' Set Has Enough Support For An Official Review
Would love more close ups, but that build looks about 100x better than the deku tree
Re: UK Charts: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Retains Its Crown As We Await New Releases
Like you said… Mario kart 8s success is wild. How can you make a sequel that will compete?
Re: Critically-Panned 'Borderlands' Movie Flops At The Box Office
I know it’s getting reamed. But I will totally be watching this when it’s free on a streaming service
Re: Nintendo Life's Switch Summer Survey 2024
While I want streetpass pretty badly, I want superior performance in docked mode more. Would have loved multiple options on that one.
Licking cartridges… I’ve heard of licking a 9V battery and an even funnier story of touching a 9V to braces. But cartridge lickers are a new bunch.
Re: Review: World Of Goo 2 (Switch) - A Superb Sequel With A Few Sticking Points
Very solid and well reasoned review. Felt super impartial except for the “it’s world of goo 2” in the pro column 🤣
Re: Here Are The Top Ten Best-Selling Nintendo Switch Games As Of June 2024
Everything is going at glacial pace… except Mario kart, it still shifted roughly 1 million units!
Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver I & II Remastered Branding Spotted At SDCC
Would buy just to watch the intro
Re: Reminder: Zelda Switch Lite 'Hyrule Edition' Pre-Orders Are Now Live, Will You Be Getting It?
I’m still not sure… considering purchasing for my kids but really I’m waiting on the switch successor to be announced
Re: Random: Finished With Your Old GameCube? Why Not Turn It Into A Cereal Bowl?
Oh the humanity!
Actually reading the deep levels of pain this is causing the enthusiasts, the comments are better than the article.
Re: Soapbox: How Does Your Personality Affect Your Gaming?
In my teens and early twenties, I had a big problem finding a balance with gaming and life responsibilities. I played a few games excessively… Diablo 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Tony Hawk, Tekken 3. Dropped out of uni and was staring at stacking shelves for the rest of my life. Gave up gaming until the Wii and 3DS and by that stage I had so many other responsibilities in my life I couldn’t fall down the gaming rabbit hole again.
So yeah, the 100% comments resonate with me and I had to learn to be okay with good enough rather than perfect.
Re: Feature: Where Does 'Echoes Of Wisdom' Fit In The Zelda Timeline? Here Are 3 Theories
I mean given it’s the ALttP and ALBW map, downfall timeline. Boom article over. 🤣
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's NES Library With Seven More Games
Cobra triangle was ok… I remember playing it a bit back in the day. Otherwise, 7 titles is a pretty big step up in the normal rate of game re-releases.
They are going to have to change the game selection screen in NSO as the current set up is just not user friendly with a larger game library
Re: Random: Zelda Fan Jailed For Carrying Small Master Sword Replica
It reads like he was walking around holding it out threateningly as the knife it actually is then tried to claim fidget toy like a doofus.
Loving the first few comments too
Re: Here's A Closer Look At The 'Echoes' In The New Zelda Game For Switch
Yeah seems to me people are overthinking it. Play games to escape, not deep dive into analysis of sex and gender and their evolving roles in modern society. If you don’t like the game idea/mechanic that’s cool. Don’t play it. No need for soapboxes here
Re: Feature: 54 Switch Ports We'd Love To See Before The Generation's Out
Portal and Shadow of colossus have always been on my list. I knew they would never come to a Nintendo system… but then portal arrived. Maybe I can hope for shadow of the colossus. Always been on my play list.
Re: Random: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Cutscenes Get The Game Boy Treatment
They’ve done a great job. Very much a spoiler warning for this in case people come to the comments before watching.
Re: Random: StreetPass Fans Are Hunting For A Super-Rare Puzzle Swap Panel
@benscene sorry, checked both my 3ds from my 2014 Japan trip. Never got any tiles from the ANA puzzle. Sorry 😞
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Is The Most Wishlisted Game Of The Summer Showcase Season
I’m actually looking forward to MP4 and hoping for remakes of MP 2&3. Also hoping for TP and MM so my kids can play though. Echoes is up there, but probably behind the switch 2 reveal for me.
Re: Random: StreetPass Fans Are Hunting For A Super-Rare Puzzle Swap Panel
I would have to charge and fire up my 3ds. I travelled through Japan in 2014. Could it be on there? Should I check?
I remember getting over a hundred street passes at Disneyland Tokyo probably in March/April 2014. This was better than the birth of my child!!
It will be a few days before I can check this… I’ll keep you posted.
Re: Leaker 'Pyoro' Locks Account After Claiming Their Source Works For Nintendo
Journalists used to be about ‘protecting their source’. Times are a changing.
Re: Here's Your First Look At The Gex Trilogy For Nintendo Switch
@Cipher36 loved way of the warrior. White zombie doing the sound track was immense. Road rash had sound garden on the sound track too. The 3DO was a pretty good system.
Crash and burn was another game I played a lot of
I second your vote for 3DO and salute your brilliant taste in games… I played almost all of your list A LOT
Re: Here's Your First Look At The Gex Trilogy For Nintendo Switch
God I think I played this on the 3DO almost 30 years ago
Re: Video: Here's Everything You Missed In The Metroid Prime 4: Beyond Trailer
Having skipped the GC era I really need MP 2 and 3 remakes now. Very keen for this game
Re: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond - Who Is Sylux?
Clear as mud haha. So we know not much.
Re: Feature: 25 Things You Might Have Missed In The Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Reveal Trailer
Yeah I’m blown away that this is 3-6 months off release and this is the first we’ve heard of it and no leaks or spoilers. That in itself is completely mental
Re: Feature: 25 Things You Might Have Missed In The Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Reveal Trailer
You can only make 4 echos - this could be upgradable because 3 would have made more sense… Tri has little triangles behind him/her that get used up with each echo you create
Re: Reaction: A Direct That Delivered, And Shows That Switch Still Has Plenty Of Pep
Carbonara…
Even though much of this is not for me, there were a significant number of games which have huge followings.
Also Nintendo managed to keep so much under wraps… new Mario brotherhood game, new Zelda game, MP4 less kept secret but still a huge deal. That stray game, I knew nothing about because I don’t own other consoles but former GOTY contender… that’s pretty big too.
So I have to give this a 10. Quality of games is high, but more importantly Nintendo kept this all under wraps.
New Mario, new Zelda, new Metroid, dragon quest etc. It would be hard to top this without the switch 2 reveal direct having similar catalogue + Mario kart
Others have started speculating on switch 2 release now and to add my 5 cents, they would be crazy not to aim for coming into Christmas 2025… peak sales period, lots of time to keep manufacturing units and time for ports… lots of ports
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Overworld Sure Looks Familiar, But Is It?
At a glance I just assumed this was ALttP/ALBW map.
The other side of the rift is BoTW lol
Re: Nintendo Direct June 2024: Every Announcement, Game Reveal, Trailer
Awww man. Prime 2 and 3? TP and WW HD? Would have loved those.
But Zelda echo game came out of nowhere!
Has stray been released previously on other consoles? Looked like it had awesome potential