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Nintendo: Phones And Tablets Aren't Games Devices

Posted by Damien McFerran

UK PR director bullish about 3DS' forthcoming Christmas war against mobile

Nintendo UK's marketing and PR director Shelly Pearce has spoken to MCV about the upcoming war for wallets this Christmas, and has stated that the company is confident that its 'true' gaming systems will hold their own against devices like smartphones and tablets.

When asked about the impact of mobile gaming on Nintendo's business, Pearce replied:

They are very different devices – we make dedicated video games consoles, those other devices out there aren’t games devices. And we believe in our products, that’s the key thing. We have absolute confidence in how we deliver. We know people enjoy the hardware we make and the games for it – that’s what Nintendo is all about. Other devices aren’t necessarily good for games.

As if to prove just how strongly Nintendo UK feel about their chances of success this Christmas, Pearce outlined the bold plans for marketing this holiday season:

We are spending significantly this Christmas – it is in peak season where 3DS will come into its own. There is lots of excitement about our new console hardware, of course, but from a retail point of view a lot of dollars are going into tills this year thanks to our handhelds.

We want 3DS to be up there as the No.1 Xmas gift for kids, and have campaigns ready to engage children, reassure parents, reach female gamers, and tempt older players back into games. We’re targeting DS owners and non-upgraders who have held out for a new Layton – which has a massive audience amongst over 45-year-olds – to convince them to try 3DS.

[via mcvuk.com]

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WesCash

#2

WesCash said:

Of course they aren't game devices. Having games available to play on them is a nice bonus for people that do own them though. But the games really can't compare to a dedicated console like a 3DS (or even a Vita).

LordJumpMad

#3

LordJumpMad said:

Phones and Tablets are more of a gaming device then your gimmicky 3DS.
Just be happy to get AngryBirds on your dated handheld console.

Hokori

#4

Hokori said:

@wescash ^exactly the games on iPad seem more like tech demos, and people criticize steel diver by calling it a tech demo...:|

Reala

#5

Reala said:

Oh its nintendo commenting on the competition guess that should praised then, if it wasn't nintendo then that'd be different then :p

The_Fox

#7

The_Fox said:

The more they say this the more it seems like whistling past the graveyard.

Hokori

#8

Hokori said:

@Reala No if Sony or Microsoft said the same I'd agree, if sony and Microsoft said iPhones were compition I'd disagree

ultrasann

#9

ultrasann said:

I own a smartphone. I can tell you right now that they are not gaming devices. Seriously, there are very few quality games on here, in my opinion.

Reala

#10

Reala said:

Kind of shows how out of touch they are if their UK eshop prices wheren't indication enough

Rococoman

#12

Rococoman said:

"... a massive audience amongst over 45-year-olds ... "

Now, I'm from Pennsylvania in the US, which is not exactly a major hub of gaming, but I have never met ONE person over 30 who plays a DS.

Is this true elsewhere? UK? Does anyone here know anybody (besides yourselves) in this group Nintendo loves to refer to?

XCWarrior

#13

XCWarrior said:

Heck yeah Nintendo. Anything without buttons is not a gaming device. And don't mention Kinect - because the 360 sure as heck has buttons.

XCWarrior

#14

XCWarrior said:

@Rococoman My dad is 62 this year, and he still plays game on our old Game Gear. And he plays REAL games on the computer now and then. Not complex games, but he likes his puzzle games, card games and board games since he doesn't always have people to play with. And he played Wii Sports, like most of America did.

WesCash

#15

WesCash said:

@Rococoman
Yeah, I don't think anyone over 45 plays a DS. Let's be honest, there are very few people over 45 that play games, period.

Hokori

#16

Hokori said:

Oh and how was $250 too much for a 3DS and $500 for an iThing not expensive?

Fry

#18

Fry said:

well, my Nexus 7 will arrive any moment now, and I expect to have A LOT more $5 games from Google Play than $40 games from the Nintendo store. How about that ?
Nintendo is overcharging. A 2 years old game is worth 1/3 of its original price. I think Nintendo will realize this very very soon. Or follow the history of Sega.

Haywired

#20

Haywired said:

"Non-upgraders". Or the haloed "expanded audience" as they were once called...

Hokori

#21

Hokori said:

@Fry Nintendo has NEVER lowered the prices of there 1st party titles, why is it now they have to? I can still find MKDS for $35, but no one complained about that...

Reala

#22

Reala said:

@ harmonknight a 3DS is multi purpose compared to ipad? keep up those mental gymnastics :/

LordJumpMad

#23

LordJumpMad said:

@HarmoKnight
The iPad does everything that a 3DS wish it could do, it even has better games on there, I don't see the 3DS getting Sonic CD anytime soon.

Hokori

#24

Hokori said:

@Reala Well I use my 3DS for more then gaming, and my iPad to surf the web, I thing that's the only advantage an iPad has is it's Internet browser

WesCash

#26

WesCash said:

An ipad better darn well be multipurpose with it's ridiculous price and fees as stated above. No one in their right mind buys an ipad specifically to play games on it.

Haywired

#28

Haywired said:

"have campaigns ready to... reassure parents, reach female gamers, and tempt older players back into games." Oh God... Here we go again... Prepare for lifestyle blandness overload. Nintendo UK already seem to have forgotten how badly they killed the Wii by turning it into the most uncool "grandma-friendly" product around that no one wanted to be seen dead with.

Reala

#30

Reala said:

if you where to buy a lot of games I can't imagine ipad would be the expensive option especially if you where to go download only on 3DS

RoryLee

#31

RoryLee said:

I'm talking about the monhly fees for the smartphones. Plus I'd rather have a physical copy of my games.

Fry

#34

Fry said:

@HarmoKnight
because handheld consoles never had that many competitors as they have now - from tablets, smartphones etc. And now that $200 gets you tablet with a screen that is 4 times larger than that tiny screen on 3DS, supporting a higher resolution, faster CPU and better graphics, things are looking pretty grim for 3DS imho. I wouldn't have bought a 3DS (for my kids mostly) if it wasn't for my GameBoy era nostalgy. I'm 33.

Hokori

#35

Hokori said:

@Reala So DLing OOT3D on my iPad as well as KIU? I agree it's more expensive for some 3rd party games but Nintendo said that 3rd parties can price there games in eShop for whatever price the 3rd parties want, so it's really the 3rd parties fault if they price a game for $40 not nintendos

Robo-goose

#37

Robo-goose said:

All one has to do to confirm that the 3DS can hold its own is look at its sales figures.

Reala

#38

Reala said:

pretty sure that's piracy downloading OOT on ipad and that is a no no here, so shame on you.

OracleOfTruth

#41

OracleOfTruth said:

@DonJumpMad
As our very own Thomas Whitehead recently said,
"While the iOS and Android platforms have some blockbuster downloads that have been downloaded millions of times, they also have quality control that's as effective as a Power Glove. We present to you 3D Cartoon Land: Safari, which is a rather blatant copy of Super Mario 3D Land, the same in everything except graphics, design, tight controls and fun, we suspect."

sketchturner

#42

sketchturner said:

I think this depends on the gamer. For some people, Angry Birds and Bejeweled Blitz are satisfying game experiences. For me, even the best games on my ipad are ultimately just sugar rushes that can't satisfy like a meaty console game.

KaiserGX

#43

KaiserGX said:

Don't mine DonJumpMad. Other M, he's just a real version of JumpMad. The original.

MAB

#45

MAB said:

So what are these eyepads that seem to be all the rage with the kiddies in this day and age?
Back in my day we were lucky to zzZzzZzZZ

BenAV

#50

BenAV said:

I've tried giving my phone a shot for games.
I've downloaded plenty of games and given them all a go... but what a terrible experience it always is.

Squiggle55

#51

Squiggle55 said:

You have to give it to Apple. Their marketing is quite powerful. If I were a kid today there are hundreds of things I would ask for for Christmas (including a Vita, 3DS, Wii U, PS3, 360) before I asked for a cell phone that makes me always available. I mean seriously. It costs more. It can be an e-reader but I'd rather read a book. It has games, and some of them are great, but not better than a console. The best thing about a phone or tablet is checking stocks or browsing the web. And worst of all people can call you on it.

Samholy

#52

Samholy said:

totally agree with that. while ipad can do impressive graphics sometimes, the games remains for toilet usage. perfect for pooping and kill time.

plus, controls on a touchscreen is CRAP. really. nothing beats buttons and joysticks/dpads. yet.

Squiggle55

#53

Squiggle55 said:

@Samholy I certainly agree about touch controls. I even usually hate it when the 3DS or Vita makes me touch the screen. The only time it really feels natural to me is a puzzle game/match 3.

LordJumpMad

#54

LordJumpMad said:

@The_Other_M said
In what land of make-believe do you live in? Nintendo has always gotten rip-off games, from another game.
Do I even need to bring up all those shovle-ware games on the Wii and 3DS. They have more poorly made games then a iPhone, iPad, and the N-Gage combine.
@HarmoKnight
Other:M makes Sonic 06 look like Skyrim.

k8sMum

#55

k8sMum said:

@Rococoman

you are so right: i mean, gaming sprang magically into life the year you turned 10! there was nothing before that time, just a nothingness of gaming.

perhaps it was the magic that enabled those of us who played games in the 80s to not age at all, you know, become parents who's kids loved games. what? we did age? omg. so now i must put away childish things, i guess.

nope, not gonna happen. i love my Wii, my PS3, my 3DS XL. where things go wrong is ninty's mis-thinking on the type of games we want.

every generation likes to think it invented the wheel.

Hokori

#62

Hokori said:

Also when have you ever heard, "man I wish that iPad game was on home consoles?" but I have heard "man I wish that Nintendo game was on iPad"

ClockworkMario

#63

ClockworkMario said:

@DonJumpMad
I know you're the alpha troll of this forum so I can't tell if you're serious or not, but most of the stuff I play (for free ofc) on my Android is pretty forgettable. Certainly far from the best or even average Nintendo published games.

Karakato

#64

Karakato said:

Actually, Nintendo is right. The Mobile/Tablets are multi-purpose devices that happen to play games. And it's up to consumers to decide which product satisfies their wants. I don't see any reason to be hostile here.

KaiserGX

#66

KaiserGX said:

YOU SAYING ICE CLIMBERS IS BAD BOY? I am gonna knock you back to last 4 days ago!

PinkSpider

#67

PinkSpider said:

And gaming on phones sucks so much!
The only games that work r jewel games, and hidden object anything they requires character control is pointless it does not work, I dont care who u r

Hokori

#68

Hokori said:

@KaiserGX I'm saying it's...ok, I like it but it's no ocarina of time, I'm glad I got it for free :) also Nintendo does price there games for cheap on eShop, look at Pushmo, Crashmo, GB games, NES games, and many other real games that you need to spend just a little more money on then iPad, you don't have to spend $40 on retail games, you can just DL stuff off the shop if you wanna! Just because those games are older doesn't mean there worth less or bad

KaiserGX

#69

KaiserGX said:

I have my whole room decorated with Ice Climbers stuff... and many other REAL games?! How dare you say this to me.

paburrows

#70

paburrows said:

So theres all of this talk from console owners about being worried about tablets and phone games, Im curious it during meeting at Apple, etc. if console competition s even brought up? I wonder if they are trying to take a bite out of consoles or if they even care and are just making games to make games.

3dsisthebest

#72

3dsisthebest said:

my mom is nearly 45 and plays prof. layton and mario kart but she already has my old 3ds...I think I´ll be going to work for nintendo in germany when I´m older. I can help them :D I agree with them.

OracleOfTruth

#77

OracleOfTruth said:

@Reala
No. It just seems a tad hypocritical to say everything Nintendo makes is garbage while obviously liking one of its franchises.

AVahne

#78

AVahne said:

@Fry
In all the years that iOS and Android have been out, there's absolutely nothing that can top the quality of Resident Evil Revelations, Kid Icarus Uprising, Super Mario 3D Land, Monster Hunter 3G, and others. And that's just 3DS; there's also Vita, which is only getting started.
Sure iOS has Infinity Blade 2 or something and that may be pretty, but that's the only thing going for it. Even $20 games like Nano Assault give me more value and a funner experience than mobile games.

Haxonberik

#81

Haxonberik said:

All this flame war made me have to give my opinion. I was once very excited about the possibilities of on-the-go gaming with smartphones (you cant really play DS at a family meeting or sonething) and have spent about 60$ in mobile games in the course of 2 years. It just doesnt feel right. When I grabbed Real Racing 2, I was like Ooo shiny, but soon enough i felt the controls bland and the screen too small. Trying it again on an iPad just made the system feel to heavy and big to rotate. When I played Infinity Blade, I was just imagining: Imagine the possibilities of this on a PS3 move. Even the casual games, like Cut the Rope and Wheres My Water, that I once thought were the most awesome games to play on a mobile, now feel more like a chore playing with each update.

Youll have to go that road for yourself to understand. You cant get too much of the same in a smartphone, a friend of mine actually bought Chrono Trigger on the iPod touch and after two months hes played like 8 hours and is not compelled to keep playing. We are talking about Chrono Trigger here. It just isnt right, you cant get a franchise working on smartphones. If you somehow get a hardcore game selling there, get it out into a console for the next entry. Smartphones just arent gaming devices, you get bored at everything there too quick, its all just novelty for your dollar, but unluckily kids and small minded people just love novelty too much, its like seeing a grown up man playing with the newest kids toy for hours.

SilverArrow

#83

SilverArrow said:

And please don't compare Nintendo to Apple. Web and music is what they're good at. Games is what Nintendo (hardware), Sony, and Microsoft (hardware) are best at.

Noob_The_Third

#84

Noob_The_Third said:

Smartphones and Tablets are for people who need them and if you happen to need them you can games on them as something extra

birthgirth

#85

birthgirth said:

This is true! I just bought a Asus Transformer Infinity 3 days ago and I've been using it a ton. This one sports the quad core Nvidia Tegra 3 processor and has 1GB of ram. It can play the high res tablet games no problem. So I've downloaded some games that were made specifically for the tegra 3. They're fun but they really are just time killers. Where I would sit and play Kid Icarus or Mario Kart 7 for 45 minutes to 1 hour or more at a time, i play these games for maybe 10 or 15 minutes at the most before switching to a new one or going on to do something else.

SteveW

#87

SteveW said:

All the crap that people have said about the Wii and all it's shovelware gave it a bad reputation but somehow the iPad doesn't get hurt by all the bad games.

I have an iPad and anyone who watches the daily releases (I use the app shopper app) can tell you that literally 99% of the games released every day (which are dozens) are total crap. I'd say that at least 90% of games on Nintendo systems are quality games.

ultrasann

#89

ultrasann said:

Everyone: think back to the time when Internet games (Flash games) were popular. We as kids found them very addictive, but it couldn't satisfy like console games could. They didn't have the depth and quality that console games had. Fancy Pants Adventure 2 might be a minor exception, but it mostly isn't.

Reala

#91

Reala said:

@nindocrash that's a matter of opinion not a fact, I happen to think mario sunshine sucks but that's kind of different from saying you know that sucks

ultrasann

#92

ultrasann said:

@SteveW I have to search specifically for an app nowadays. Almost all the games I tried in the App Store are addictive, but only for 10 minutes. I end up deleting them shortly after.

OracleOfTruth

#93

OracleOfTruth said:

@Reala
I know that you don't have to praise everything Nintendo does, but as it stands, I've never seen you say ANYTHING positive about Nintendo here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

SilverArrow

#97

SilverArrow said:

Why don't you like Super Mario Sunshine and Super Paper Mario, @Reala ? I mean, I loved running around with the Turbo Nozzle and Super Paper Mario was so reminiscent of Super Mario Bros. I can't see any reason to not like it.

...Unless you are one of the 5% that doesn't like them because of F.L.U.D.D. and the removal of turn-based battles.

KaiserGX

#98

KaiserGX said:

Here is the one good thing Reala said.

Reala commented on E3 2012: The Most Gorgeous Wii U Screenshots Yet:
Pikmin 3 screen looks a lot better than I remember it looking from the trailer

Reala

#101

Reala said:

5% didn't like fludd is that so? or you just pulling that out of thin air? either way I didn't like fludd

ToadWood

#102

ToadWood said:

I'm the "extended market", that is to say, an over 40 gamer.
There are a few mobile games for smart phones that work for me. Mostly match three games.
I've decided to stop buying mobile games as the majority don't have the depth or controls of console games.
Majong and Bejeweled, sure, I'll play on my phone .. but a platformer, racing, RPG, game I'm playing on a dedicated gaming console. YMMV

rjejr

#105

rjejr said:

Here's what I wrote 2 hours ago regarding Luigi's Masion:

"Tablets and phones may kill Sony portables but as long as people keep having kids Nintendo can keep selling game systems,"

It's not about the "i' whatevers lack of buttons, it's about their lack of Nintendo IP. Show me an alternate universe where you can get Mario and Pokemon (real games, not knock-offs) on an iPad or iPhone and I'll show you a universe where Nintendo can't sell handhelds. Everybody on this blog should know - it's all about the games.

LordJumpMad

#107

LordJumpMad said:

@Alien_Mosky
No there isn't, glad to see someone with common sense.

@The_Other_M If we kiss the floor Nintendo step on, they will give us another Wii Music, or worse, a new Other M.
This is why their reashing NewSuperMarioBros. on the Wii U.

@KaiserGX
Reala never said that he/she didn't play Nintendo games, but they are lacking good games.
If you think about it, Nintendo only big game on the Wii U is Pikmin 3, and thats kinda sad.
@Gate_Shikimuri
U Mad?

Hokori

#108

Hokori said:

I can see fluidity spin cycle as an app in the realms of iPad stuff, only bette :D

KaiserGX

#109

KaiserGX said:

@Jump when the heck did I say he/she didn't play Nintendo games. I was just giving Other M some data, said prove him wrong that Reala has said anything good.

Mario U is big for me. I don't care THAT much for Pikmin. Not everyone is the target audience of a game.

Xilef

#110

Xilef said:

This is pretty obvious, really. Alot of gamers play PC but that doens't mean it's a gaming device, it's a PC. One of it's us just happens to be to play games. It's the same thing with iPads.

Mk_II

#111

Mk_II said:

Yeah, I don't think anyone over 45 plays a DS

I'm 49 and i play my 3DS every day.

Hokori

#112

Hokori said:

I'll be playing my Nintendo consoles until I die (unless apple buys them out)

Dodger

#113

Dodger said:

Talk to me again when smartphones have buttons. Touch screen only gameplay is never as precise. Touchscreens are great and all, but they don't always respond right away. Sometimes you need the good old A button. Press it and Mario jumps. No problems.

Smartphones also need a consumer base that is willing to buy games that are selling for more then $0.99. You can't develop Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft quality games on that budget.

Summary: Smartphones could eventually be great gaming devices, but not yet.

Late

#114

Late said:

Don't really care about this stuff. I don't care what people use to play games. If people enjoy their games on their device then there's no need to get another device which they might not enjoy and no one can say games on one particular system are bad. There's always some bad games and some good games on every device.

I enjoy my Nintendo games, I enjoy playing some games on PlayStation and XBOX and I'm sure there are great games for phones but I'm not going to get a new phone just to play games, as for me, phone is a device that is used for calling and messaging.

OracleOfTruth

#115

OracleOfTruth said:

@DonJumpMad
Yes, becuse everyone knows that when others hate your work, it encourages you to make more. :p
It's okay not to bow at Nintendo's feet, but if you're going to give criticism, try and make it constructive.

KaiserGX

#116

KaiserGX said:

I liked Wii Music...

It doesn't matter what we do. Nintendo knows that can't please everyone and they are just going to do their own thing. So it would be useless to listen to about 50 complainers on a forum...

Reala

#118

Reala said:

and it fine to like or dislike whatever want without having to write walls of text justifying why, it just opinion after all.

LittleKing

#120

LittleKing said:

iOS games are great time wasters. I have spent many hours on Jetpack Joyride, Angry Birds, Bumpy Road, Tiny Wings, Cut the Rope, Flight Control, Infinity Blade I & II, etc.

They also have a few more robust games on there. However, I don't think iOS devices can currently be considered gaming devices in the same manner as Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft's consoles. Smartphones are multitasking devices that do many things well, but when it comes to gaming, I never found what I was looking for. There are hundreds and hundreds of amazing games with dozens of hours of deep, sophisticated gameplay, touching stories and great music on dedicated gaming platforms and PCs. IMO, most (not all) iPhone games are time wasters. Basic puzzle games and highscore games fill the digital shelves, with some quality titles sprinkled here and there.


@DonJumpMad Wii Music and Other M weren't bad games. They were just somewhat mediocre. Also, yeah, the Wii U doesn't have much right now. A few ports, Bayonetta, Pikmin 3, NSMBU, etc, but it hasn't even come out yet. It's a launch line up. I can't think of anything I'd enjoy as much, or more, on iOS than Pikmin 3. Can you?


At the end of the day, for me, the only thing that prevents me from considering smartphones real gaming devices is that, first off, they are made for many, many tasks. Second of all, Smartphones don't have the wealth of good games that consoles do; no one is making Monster Hunter Ultimate, Bayonetta 2 or Xenoblade Chronicles for iOS or Android, are they? Yeah, there are some good games on there, but not enough.

Nintendoro

#130

Nintendoro said:

I agree. They are not gaming devices... At least not hardcore gaming devices, All you get there is frustrating controls and mini games

Hokori

#131

Hokori said:

I don't even see a game like animal crossing on I phone... Oh wait... happy Street :|

Reala

#132

Reala said:

wonder how that mario 3D land looking game for the iphone was :p probably pretty good really

Mandoble

#134

Mandoble said:

Aha, so devices far more powerful than their Wii and with many more games are not gaming devices, right? I guess Sony should say the same about the 3DS.

Fry

#137

Fry said:

The problem with dedicated handheld consoles is that they take on quite a niche market - casual gamers on the one side are perfectly happy with android/iOS games, and hardcore gamers on the other side are better server either on a PC, or a serious home console. Handhelds are stuck in between - they do not offer SIGNIFICANTLY better games than those, which are available for android/iOS devices (I'm talking about real games like Mass Effect - not "toilet" games like the Super Mario Bros 2).
Dedicated handheld systems won't be around for much longer.

Knux

#140

Knux said:

Phones and tablets are multipurpose devices with games as one of their options, while Nintendo products are mere toys. This is a cold hard fact. You want a real gaming device? Then say hello to the PS3 and Vita.

KaiserGX

#142

KaiserGX said:

I'm not gonna lie, I am not much of a gamer. I do like Nintendo games, but outside of that I don't play online with headphones, play LoL, Minecraft, or the other things I see people playing, I don't buy magazines or join memberships at Gamestop. I don't keep up with systems and specs.

Knux

#143

Knux said:

Unless you have a Sony console and/or handheld, you're not a true gamer. Nintendo never makes real games.

KaiserGX

#144

KaiserGX said:

No 360? Alright then. I will throw away my Atari, Master System, and Turbo Graphics 16. Actually anyone willing to buy them from me? Great shape, I still have the bo>< for the Master System.

Knux

#145

Knux said:

The 360 is better than ''gaming'' on a lame Nintendo console, but the PS3 has everything the 360 offers, and so much more.

LittleKing

#149

LittleKing said:

@Knux I know you were probably being somewhat sarcastic, but... I love my PSP, and have probably spent thousands of hours playing games on it, but the Vita? I seriously can't find more than two or three games I'd ever want to play on it.

Love the PS3, though.

Knux

#150

Knux said:

@Metabble_King: The Vita still has more interesting games and options for it than the 3DS. Don't forget that the PS3 didn't start out with a bang.

@Kaiser: Seriously, is that the best comeback you can come up with?

Marakuto

#152

Marakuto said:

Didn't Sony release a phone that had a game pad? I can't remember that specific name of it but I don't think it was that good.

LittleKing

#153

LittleKing said:

@Knux For sure. I'm just waiting to see how its library builds up (or doesn't). [Don't agree completely with the whole more interesting options than the 3DS part, though, but you just be trollin' ;)].

KaiserGX

#157

KaiserGX said:

No! I am not playing LoL! Someone tried to get me to play... I don't want to get into this at all.

Knu>< you know I am playing. I've seen your reviews.

But if you want to fight bro I am right here. Harmoknight has my back.

Lalivero

#158

Lalivero said:

@Fry Dedicated handheld gaming may die in due time but I still don't see that ending anytime soon really. I personally see dedicated handheld gaming as more of a middle-ground though: You don't have the crazy power of a high-end console/PC obviously but, at the same time, they're still made with gaming in mind as the 'main' task and can hold quality titles in their own right(namely IPs, etc that you won't catch on mobile/tablets).

I'm not saying mobile/tablet games are all bad(though I would classify most as 'toilet games'), just not exactly my taste(especially with the more 'hardcore' titles feeling a bit poor with the lack of real controls). I use the heck out of my phone/tablet for browsing(which is much better than on the dedicated handhelds) but when it comes to gaming, I hop right back to my 3DS. It's much more than a toilet system, to me at least.

KaiserGX

#164

KaiserGX said:

Anyhow it's 10:00am my time... Time to look up Google images for 30min...
Harmo will tussle with you alone. (That Ice Climber Hatin' Back Stabbin' Kid)

Boo_Buster

#165

Boo_Buster said:

I have to agree with Nintendo on this debate. I've played my fair share of games on iPads and iPhones and they can't even hold the toilet paper for Reggie when he takes a dump a.k.a they are nowhere near as quality as console and handheld games (as noted by the price we pay for our games - a $40 game should be quite a bit better than a .99 cent game, and have a lot more depth and material involved)

OracleOfTruth

#166

OracleOfTruth said:

What makes a game hardcore anyway?! Is it becuase the so-called "gaming elite" happen to like that game? It makes no sense. Nintendo is not a kid's company just because they try and create something EVERYONE can enjoy instead of catering to the "hardcore".

Reala

#167

Reala said:

I think sony and microsoft try to cater to "everyone" too, sackboy kart and sony smash bros would have to fit in with that I'd imagine :p

6ch6ris6

#169

6ch6ris6 said:

today i had my first contact with a tablet (ipad5)

it felt horrible. tablets are great for laying on the couch and surfing the web but they are absoloutly horrible for real gaming.

Reala

#170

Reala said:

I don't think nintendo is the only one that gets hate for its drive for the causal gamer, move and kinnect maybe especially kinnect get it too.

OracleOfTruth

#171

OracleOfTruth said:

Either way, some of these "hardcore" gamers are mocking companies for appealing to others. It seems to me that they can't stand the fact that their hobby is being made available for people other than them.

Karakato

#173

Karakato said:

@6ch6ris6 Define "real gaming", Some games work better on a large touch screen. Just played World of Goo, Broken sword and a couple of picross/3d clones a few weeks back and I couldn't find it better to play them on a system with buttons. Sorry but the definition of gaming is subjective.

grimbldoo

#174

grimbldoo said:

You guys just had to make serious responses to DonJumpMad...I have lost my faith in you.

@DonJumpMad
Props on upsetting some silly people here.

Mickey

#178

Mickey said:

Now this is just my opinion you guys can think iphone 10,000 will be lightyears ahead of Playstation 46 or Xbox 68000 or Nintendo Future in depth and will eventually take over the world or people will see "THE SHALLOWNESS" of a quick game of angry birds and quit mobile gaming forever. me, i think both are fun, both can co-exist, and both will be here for awhile...
now if only gamers and mobile gamers could co-exist

(pardon me for over dramatization)

bezerker99

#180

bezerker99 said:

Mobile games are just 'meh' imo. Sure, I have a smart phone. If I thought the games were fun I'd be downloading and playing them.

OracleOfTruth

#181

OracleOfTruth said:

I just want people to think about what they're saying. If people are going to say that "this stinks, I like this better" or "real gamers play this", then I expect them to be able to back up their claims. I still might not agree with them, but at least they've provided sound reasoning for why they think what they think.

Mandoble

#183

Mandoble said:

The very same 360/PS3/Vita users said about Nintendo is what Nintendo officially says about tablets.
Have a look at Capcom and Konami mobile divisions:
http://www.capcommobile.com/
http://www.konami.com/games/browse/?gameType=Mobile_Games

Not that I'm a friend of tables, but they are actually far better option for gaming than 3DS, and this is what Nintendo doesnt want to hear. At least Sony can still say that Vita is technically clearly superior for gaming than these, and even this might change quickly in the following 3 years.

pixelman

#184

pixelman said:

@Magnet_Man018 It's not.

I mean yeah, they're not dedicated but neither is a PC. But PCs can run games better than dedicated "game devices." You could argue that being dedicated is a limitation, not a virtue.

Also, re: iOS game quality: Touch screen gaming is still young in its life — it hasn't had 30 years to develop yet. There's still a lot of figuring out to do.

On the other hand, from a hardware standpoint a game like Zelda: Phantom Hourglass is totally able to exist on iOS and be even better. Unfortunately, no one's done it yet. I guarantee you that if Nintendo were developing serious games for Apple devices then they'd do some mindblowingly awesome stuff. The tech is amazing and has a ton of potential, but developers — for the most part — haven't figured out how to tap into that potential yet. That's something that continually frustrates me.

MeloMan

#187

MeloMan said:

Long story short gaming on phones is great for quick, casual, simplistic, bursts. Very, very few people are going to dedicate time to hardcore gaming on a phone... that sucks away the power you could be talking/texting/surfing. It is what it is... casual gaming works out better on phones where gaming is a lower totem task, and portable consoles handle gaming at the forefront with apps lower on the totem.

Odnetnin

#188

Odnetnin said:

Riddle me this, Nintendo: why did my first-gen Kindle, which only had access to the Amazon App Store, play some of my favorite Wii games better than the Wii did?

Hokori

#189

Hokori said:

^you played SSBB, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, TP, SS, TLS, Xenoblade, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, NMH2, TvC, MadWorld, MHT, KEY, Kirby RTDL, NSMBW, ExciteBots, and MKW on your kindle?

JJOR64

#190

JJOR64 said:

I just got an iPhone a few days ago. While there are some good games on there, most of them are just quick little distractions for me. 3DS > iPhone in terms of games and for me.

Hokori

#192

Hokori said:

I've played SSFIV, MM 2, RE4, and Phoenix wright on my iPad and I prefer there Nintendo counterparts

Reala

#193

Reala said:

"Riddle me this, Nintendo: why did my first-gen Kindle, which only had access to the Amazon App Store, play some of my favorite Wii games better than the Wii did?"

from that you get

"you played SSBB, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, TP, SS, TLS, Xenoblade, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, NMH2, TvC, MadWorld, MHT, KEY, Kirby RTDL, NSMBW, ExciteBots, and MKW on your kindle?"

Yeah that's a reasonable conclusion to come to, cue eye rolling, obviously it wouldn't include exclusives so why even ask

Odnetnin

#199

Odnetnin said:

Waltz is at the EB Expo, otherwise I'm sure he'd make quick work of this argument. In the meantime you guys will just have to settle for me.

@HarmoKnight Yeah, those and countless others that the Wii never had. My point is that there are fantastic gaming experiences on tablets, which is something you don't seem to acknowledge. I tried to make it easier for you by referencing games that you might have played, but evidently my efforts were wasted on you.

Xiao_Pai

#200

Xiao_Pai said:

I'm not getting into this, only thing that matters is that I enjoy Nintendo's games...er, most of them anyways.

Syntax

#201

Syntax said:

I believe this whole mobile vs Nintendo is nonsense. Most of you guys think that mobile as a whole is a competitor to Nintendo but this false, in in reality mobile is an open platform that is free for everyone to use and develop software and services. For Nintendo this is a huge opportunity to expand their business and they are already getting prepared if you saw the e3 2012 Wii U trailer.

Odnetnin

#202

Odnetnin said:

For the record, Eureka, when I said "you guys" I meant NL at large, not you or any specific person. I enjoy most of Nintendo's games too. Glad that we can all agree.

Lalivero

#207

Lalivero said:

@pixelman That would pretty much mean Nintendo giving in to the competition as well. Why develop for other platforms when you can still find success with your own? So certain games being able to be on other devices doesn't really mean a thing here unless said developers, etc meant for it to happen to begin with; you can almost say the same thing for home consoles in general otherwise and mobile games(they too can be 'better' on other platforms, one of which came recently).

About the only thing I really agree with is that it really isn't right to say tablets couldn't be good for games; they are a different category. I'm with the person who was wondering why the two can't co-exist.

OptometristLime

#210

OptometristLime said:

I missed all the fighting? Still fun to read.

Even if the blasphemous mention of certain "other consoles" made me barf a little.

OracleOfTruth

#211

OracleOfTruth said:

@Reala
I'm not sure what your deal is, but you need to calm down. You don't have to be so mean. BTW, when did you become Dark_Oddy_Rises spokesman? I'm pretty sure he can speak for himself.

Reala

#212

Reala said:

I'm perfectly calm and nothing I said was from what I can see in anyway mean.

Void

#213

Void said:

Of course phones and tablets are not gaming devices, they can play games and have plenty of good ones, but they aren't beause they weren't made as gaming devices, they were made as phones and tablets, respectivly.
/Not complicated. ;)

OracleOfTruth

#214

OracleOfTruth said:

@Reala
I'm sorry if I misjudged your attitude. The way I saw it, you were getting snippy at Harmo_Knight for debating with Dark_Oddy_Rises. Emotion can be difficult to read on the internet. :) ...well except for the smiley face.

Odnetnin

#215

Odnetnin said:

Actually, I'm glad that Reala pointed out the gaping holes in HarmoKnight's logic. That way I didn't have to. :D

KAHN

#216

KAHN said:

@DonJumpMad
dude, if you're only on this site to troll, maybe you should leave. i can see plenty banned people in old posts who just didn't know when to stop.(we're all waiting on you, @theblackdragon)
onto the topic of this post, i agree with nintendo. i use a nokia for phone calls, and that alone. i play console for games, and that alone. you know, back in my day, that's what everyone else did too.

Gretski

#217

Gretski said:

Nintendo's stupidity amazes me. Don't get me wrong, I love my 3DS, but I have a ton of amazing games on my iPad.

LEGEND_MARIOID

#218

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

I love gaming on my iPad. Whereas I much prefer Nintendo devices for gaming and I think that iPad gaming is a tad overrated, Nintendo are very wrong here. They are talking just like Sony here - nonsensically

Hokori

#219

Hokori said:

@Dark_Oddy_Rises What gaping hole in my logic, I play Japanese games, but I'll amend that with 007 Golden eye on wii and Epic Mickey games, and if I were to pick up any other western games they would be on iPad

LEGEND_MARIOID

#220

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

Both devices can co-exist. Gamers would get a lot out of both (all types). Nintendo devices are the premier gaming machines though - I agree

JeanLuc_Vaycard

#222

JeanLuc_Vaycard said:

It's pretty obvious that smartphones are the future of gaming. Enjoy Nintendo and Sony portable gaming while it lasts. The majority want convenience over substance. Get used to seeing cheap $1 to $5 games that provide just minutes of entertainment at a time. Just time for Nintendo and Sony to pull out of the handheld market because its only going to get worse.

AntiGuy

#223

AntiGuy said:

Have to agree, donwloaded Need for Speed Hot Pursuit on my iPad and it felt awkard and it didn't help much the fact that the new iPad is kinda heavy...

LordJumpMad

#224

LordJumpMad said:

@0LD_SK0OL_PUNK
If having my own opinion and standing up for what I believe in makes me a troll, then so be it, but I refuse to back down on such awful remarks made by Nintendo to our friendly and happy go-lucky iPad company.
You should think before you mouth off such hurtful words.

OptometristLime

#225

OptometristLime said:

@George_Vaykei
You are stating an inferior aspect of mobile games, why would the major gaming companies flee the market "in fear" of bite size content?
In fact we are seeing Nintendo respond by delivering games through the eShop and in downloadable form.
There will always be advantages to having diverse forms of gaming, the reality of Nintendo leaving a market it helped to start would be devastating.

KAHN

#226

KAHN said:

@DonJumpMad
"standing up for what you believe in" is not the choice of words i would use. most of the comments you make on this site are either negative towards nintendo or other users.

KAHN

#229

KAHN said:

@theblackdragon well because:
A.) he is prepared to "stand up for what he believes in"
B.) he often goes into arguments over news posts or forums with others to "stand up for what he believes in", trying to justify himself in each scenario.

OptometristLime

#230

OptometristLime said:

I have to defer to TBD, she would know JumpMad's character better than I. xD

But is it just me or are we seeing the man behind the mask? I'm used to seeing off the wall comments that were clearly made to incite fan-rage, yet this petty back and forth is something else.

Aviator

#232

Aviator said:

I wonder how many people here saying that iOS games are simply $1 'timewasters' have seen some of the games available on the store.

rjejr

#234

rjejr said:

Big picture - most of us on here grew up playing games with controllers, way back to Pong, Intellivision, Atari, Commodore 64, NES etc. Kids today are growing up w/ their parents iPads, iPhones, and Android devices playing Angry Birds. Ten years from now ask these kids if they want $40 games with controllers or 99c games with touchscreens. How many of you want to give up your tv remote controls for changing channels w/ knobs?

Hokori

#236

Hokori said:

I just bought Dempa Men and I must say its amazing considering its 10x the price of angry birds

kyuubikid213

#237

kyuubikid213 said:

I have played iPhone/smartphone games. They arent't bad, but they don't have the same quality (to me) as my 3DS games. And I mean 3DSWare and DSiWare mainly. I think smartphone games are great, don't get me wrong, I just prefer what I can get on a console. UnBlock Me, Angry Birds, and the like only go so far with me. Also, the one full retail game I own that is similar to an iOS game (Resident Evil Mercenaries), I definitely prefer the 3DS game.

Lalivero

#238

Lalivero said:

@rjejr That's two different scenarios so you can't really compare them; changing knobs(though I actually know a couple people who still do) is just 'retro' in general.

Dedicated video game consoles are not old school in that sense because there isn't really much of a disadvantage(aside from pricing maybe and that isnt as bad as people make it out to be)simply another option( usually better depending on your taste) to play games, just as mobile platforms are.

Bankai

#239

Bankai said:

Wow. You mean a Nintendo PR manager, working for a company that doesn't produce Smartphones or games for Smartphones, and has lost a lot of customers to smartphones, is critical of smartphones as gaming devices?

Could it be maybe, just mabye, this is what we in journalism call 'PR speak?' Surely the editors of Nintendolife would never have dreamed of such an unethical practice as promoting PR speak as editorial coverage.

... Oh. Ah well, I guess the 250+ comments pretty much justifies anything.

pixelman

#242

pixelman said:

Chriiis wrote:

@pixelman That would pretty much mean Nintendo giving in to the competition as well. Why develop for other platforms when you can still find success with your own?

I'm not saying Nintendo should or shouldn't develop for iOS platforms - I'm just saying if they did then the results would be the amazing stuff we're used to on Nintendo platforms, and most of the a$$-kissing fanboys here would be going "hm I guess iPhone isn't so bad after all, I'm going to get one for my birthday!!!!!!!1111".

Chriiis wrote:

So certain games being able to be on other devices doesn't really mean a thing here unless said developers, etc meant for it to happen to begin with; you can almost say the same thing for home consoles in general otherwise and mobile games(they too can be 'better' on other platforms, one of which came recently).

Well yeah. Unfortunately top-quality AAA "console-style" games have been slow in coming, and most big-budget games have been trying to mimic rather than innovate (I'm looking at you Gameloft and EA). Some have turned out fun, but the console versions tend to be superior.

That being said, iOS does have superior versions of games. World of Goo is one that springs to mind.

Chriiis wrote:

About the only thing I really agree with is that it really isn't right to say tablets couldn't be good for games; they are a different category. I'm with the person who was wondering why the two can't co-exist.

How silly. Devices coexisting? But that wouldn't make the fanboys happy! Everything non-Nintendo must die!!

Jese_1

#243

Jese_1 said:

Obviously I understand that some people enjoy playing on tablets, but for me personally it comes down to pricing and longevity. An iPad is more expensive than my 3DS (and I got mine at launch before the price cut). Within a year that iPad will be outdated and a new one will be on shelves. My 3DS will be good for about 5 years (as my DS was) before its replacement is launched. I don't agree with everything Nintendo does, but at the end of the day they themselves make awesome games on a piece of hardware that I've gotten hours of fun out of. I can't see a tablet with a questionable line up of software that needs to be constantly replaced to get the most out of them to do the same thing for me. But that's just my personal opinion.

LittleKing

#244

LittleKing said:

@0LD_SK0OL_PUNK JumpMad is a long time user who likes to try to be funny (and sometimes even try to make a point) through lighthearted, sarcastic comments. He isn't really trolling; just poking a little fun. :)

Even you come off as more of a troll than JumpMad, are we going to ban you, too? :p

"are you ... not smart? if you want GBA games, get 'em on amazon." - Insulting someone's intelligence because you failed to understand the point of Virtual Console. I guess we should all just play games on their original consoles, ay?

"Apple copies Super Mario Land 3D, Nintendo DOESN'T sue." - Oblivious to the fact that the game was created by someone, or a group of people, in China. Also, if Nintendo asked Apple to remove the game from the store under copyright violation, they probably would.

"grammar and punctuation is a really important thing. with them, it's a lot easier to detect tone in a sentence(not to mention it's a lot easier to understand what the commenter is saying!). i dont know, it's just a real pet-peeve of mine when there isnt correct punctuation and grammar in comments (but as far as apostrophes go, they're more often then not are unnecessary.)" - Complaining about grammatical errors when you just made several yourself. Also, you're so concerned with legibility; that's why you don't use any capital letters at all, and apparently don't proof-read your comments. Plus, you complain about incorrect punctuation before saying apostrophes are unnecessary. Yeah.

"$300 for the basic version?? no sir, i dont care if this has zelda, im waiting for a large price-drop. didnt nintendo say they werent going to overprice their crap again like they did with the 3DS? were they on drugs when they said that? ... jeez, nintendo is turning into another apple! ... yupp, nintendo just proved their statement a lie." - Great idea. Compare Nintendo to Apple and call both companies' products overpriced crap. $300 is not very expensive for a next-gen, HD console with a tablet controller. The PS3, IIRC, cost $600 when it launched six years ago for the 60GB model. The XBOX360 had a core system at launch for $300, the same price as Wii U, and there are rumors that Microsoft's new console might launch at the same price. I think it's a fair price, and was surprised it wasn't MORE expensive.

"scumbag japan. they know porting a game to the west will bring in dough, but they don't anyways." - One game isn't ported and now the Japanese are scum. But, obviously, you know better about what would make enough money here make it worthwhile to localize it, amirite?

"but wouldn't it be a better idea to review the entire game as a whole rather than "if it aged as well as my cheese"? i dont know about you, but i buy games to have fun, not whether or not if they aged well :/" - We say a game has aged well if it is still fun by today's standards. For instance, I don't think Pong has aged well. It might've been fun when it was fresh, but now it's just "meh." Also, how did they not review the whole game? One of the main points of retro game reviews is to see if they are still fun by today's standards. We don't review games as if we were still living twenty years in the past and use those standards. It isn't a good enough indicator of how well the mechanics work today.


Note that I don't actually care that much about your comments, or think they are particularly bad. JMs are lighthearted and clearly sarcastic, and even if they weren't, he's never really offensive. If we wanted to start nitpicking and picking apart everyone to see who we should ban, we could really do that to anyone.

Odnetnin

#248

Odnetnin said:

@HarmoKnight Well, my basic argument boils down to: tablets, even the worst ones, have fantastic games (notice I even left out how I think some of them are better than Nintendo games!). Your rebuttal was that tablets don't have a few random games that you decided to mention. How does that negate my argument in any way?

GameLord08

#249

GameLord08 said:

@Otaku/HarmoPrincess, you need to stop presenting your opinions as facts. It‘s the far opposite of whatever self-imagery you may have of yourself.

You may use your 3DS to “multi-task“ more than you use your iPad for its dedicated functions. That‘s your prerogrative on its use, and yours alone. The 3DS is first and foremost a gaming handheld that, while incorporating a few useful features as noteworthy gimmicks, still comes in inferior to devices dedicated to be utilised for those such purposes the applications provide, tablets and smartphones. It‘s the same way in turn that the iPad, overall, is considered inferior to the 3DS and other dedicated gaming handhelds for that such purpose; it‘s a side attraction, albeit one that has gotten surprising mass acclaim in this era. Still, that is not to say the iPad, Kindle and whatever else may you have is not a terrible device for gaming; it‘s just not the ideal primary choice from an encompassing perspective.

The iPad is built for browsing, media, word-processing and other heavy-duty functions of the sort you‘d find in a laptop; its majority of consumer utilisation portrays this, and so does the entire device itself (specs, OS, apps etc.) Nobody‘d buy it for gaming alone; it‘s only a welcome feature for less mainstream-oriented gaming types. The 3DS is built solely for gaming, and lesser so other types of media. Nobody would buy it for browsing, music, movies, eBooks or such; it‘s a gaming handheld, that‘s not what it‘s built for and those are only attractive features at most. So, you may find the 3DS passable for those certain features and you like it that way. Good, but also rather naïve seeing as you own a device that is far more superior in those purposes. The iPad still undoubtedly has more to offer than the 3DS in these things in better quality because that‘s what it‘s being sold for; your denial of this fact based solely on your preference alone is the opposite of smart, especially seeing as it isn‘t a prevalent one.

Besides, though I may not be a smartphone/tablet gamer myself despite owning one of the former, there are good games out there that surpass some handheld games out there, even if it is not a majority. World of Goo and Bit.Trip BEAT, to state two examples, are pretty swell experiences on tablets even more so because they coincide perfectly with their method controls - it‘s a good 30% the experience, and not just the game. Providing a good digital game platform doesn‘t mean it must have Nintendo exclusives or something equivalent on it to even slightly compare. If it caters to its respective audience more than well, it‘s a good and successful platform, even if it may not be a dedicated device for such use. If you want to play Mario, Zelda and Pikmin 24/7 and shut out all the other sweet stuff available to try out there, be my guest, but don‘t demean other platforms just because they don‘t appeal to your seemingly narrow tastes. It‘s unintelligent.

Bankai

#253

Bankai said:

Looks like the Moon Knight has found himself as part of the Avengers.

Your play, 'rival'.

(In other words I got nothing to ad to Oddy and Gamelord's brilliant analysis of the situation. :P)

Hokori

#254

Hokori said:

I like my rivals because they make me feel better about myself, and make me feel smart

Bankai

#255

Bankai said:

Oh here's one I can field! You're entitled to an opinion, Otaku. What you're not entitled to is being right, or having that opinion taken seriously. If you can't argue a solid case for you opinion, than everyone out there has every right to point out how flawed your opinion is.

I'm off to play unreleased games again. Play nice folks.

Odnetnin

#256

Odnetnin said:

I think I'm gonna change my name to DarkKnight now, y'know, to complete the circle.

Hokori

#257

Hokori said:

Yet people respond to me, I must be taken seriously some how, also there are people on this site that agree with me :) that's good enough for my ever growing ego

WaLzgiStaff

#262

WaLzgi said:

I have one thing to say: Nintendo needs to embrace the far superior iPad >:3

Lalivero

#265

Lalivero said:

@pixelman Of course they could; that could mean the same for other situations too. I just don't get why everyone is trying to force them to quit the hardware business(not talking to you specifically) just because tablets are built to do 'everything under the sun and are superior in everyway'.

Yeah, no doubt Nintendo fans talk just as much smack, but my point isn't to put them on a pedestal either. Why can't everyone just do their own thing gaming wise?

WaxxyOne

#266

WaxxyOne said:

Nintendo is absolutely right. Tablets and phones aren't game consoles, by their very definition. It's the same as saying a PC isn't a game console. If you told anyone that, they'd say "Duh." While everyone understands you can certainly play games on PC's, they also understand that's not their core purpose for most of the world. It's the same with tablets and phones. The core purpose of these devices is as portable communication and entertainment devices. Yes, you can play games on them, but they were not purpose-built to do that.

So why does that mean they'd not competing directly, you ask? To wit:

On tablets and phones, the average game costs $0.99 US, and is what most people refer to as a "casual game". The amount of time you're going to spend on these during a play session might be measured in seconds or a few minutes. That's not a bad thing. As diversionary entertainment on a small handheld device, that's perfect for the average consumer.

On the flipside, consoles and handhelds like the 3DS were built for games. The average game cost is around $30-$40 and the content available in the games far exceeds the limited content of more casual games you'll find on those other devices. The average playtime is at least several minutes and can be up to a few hours.

Nintendo, at least at the moment, is not targeting people who want to slice fruit or fling birds around for a few minutes while sitting on a bus on their way to work. They're targeting gamers with real handheld console systems who are willing to spend more for more rich and engaging experiences. What Nintendo says here about the different markets is absolutely true. Later they might decide they need to look into the more casual market, but for now it's not a priority and they are focusing on consoles. And that's the honest answer they give every time some media schmuck (sorry, NL) keeps throwing the same questions or heralding doomsday prophecies about the end of the console gaming world in Nintendo's direction.

What's wrong with that?

GameLord08

#267

GameLord08 said:

Nobody ever takes you seriously, Otaku. Your opinions are prejudiced, and prejudiced opinions are rarely correct nor factual. The tiny minority of people here only agree with the forefront of your statements, not the absurd reasoning or motive behind it. The way you're going, you're nowhere near having yourself duly respected in the coming time.

Popularity =/= intelligence. Dr. Phil is a pretty popular icon in American television if I'm not mistaken, but most of his statements rarely classify him as someone worth being addressed as "Doctor". Your proclaimed "popularity" is a one-way street, and I hope to God for your own sake you learn to reform your immaturity before it's too late.

theblackdragonAdmin

#268

theblackdragon said:

Guys, please stop piling onto Otaku. If we could get back to discussing the article at hand, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

ouroborous

#269

ouroborous said:

Yea sadly non-gaming devices tend to make poor substitutes for official gaming devices like the 3DS or PSVita and have tons and tons of crapware (and a few decent ones). But the line between the two types of "systems" is getting thinner. If the iPad or Android phones ever add analog sticks or decent buttons, it might be a whole different story!

Gridatttack

#270

Gridatttack said:

Meh. The Ipad are just simple games, for casual gamers. Not full games like consoles get.

The main problem of the Ipad that is made by apple :P

sdcazares1980

#271

sdcazares1980 said:

Never underestimate your competition. Yes, as long as those are games playing in those devices, it's competition. Bite your tongue, Nintendo.

Skeletor

#272

Skeletor said:

@Haxonberik I completely agree about the lack of focus on a phone/tablet. It's kind of the nature of the device. You grow bored of it, it's because you have other features you can use the device for. NOT just gaming. Whereas on a console, it is a gaming device, so that's what you're expecting it to be. You won't have a text message interrupt you, no status updates, no phone calls, no looking at someone's new photos. You are in a game. You play the game. You keep playing until you cannot anymore. I've played for many hours straight on my 3DS, and on my DS before that. I maybe have stayed focused for a max of 25 mins straight on my phone.

Skeletor

#273

Skeletor said:

@Xilef Ah, but I know plenty of people that have solely designed their pc to handle gaming almost exclusively. I hear your angle on it, but the strength of the pc is the massive back-catalog, and the sheer power you can dump into it.

KAHN

#274

KAHN said:

@Metabble_King
and that's the most of what you've found? look at me, poorly attempting to justify myself! what you say, it's what some people might call a contradiction, but it's human nature for that to happen by mistake. as for JumpMad, i regret nothing. i will admit i've said somethings that are quite idiotic, and not because the evidence is right there. everyone on this site has emotions, and avoiding it's use in debate is inevitable. im more than certain everyone on the site has been proven foolish on some accounts(accept for the genius staff-members) as much as i have. that's sort of how i now feel on the scene.

TrueWiiMaster

#278

TrueWiiMaster said:

I agree with Nintendo here. The rise of smartphones has yet to hinder 3DS sales as far as I can see (it IS selling better than the DS was at this point, is it not?). They are fairly separate. That's not to say they don't crossover (Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Plants vs Zombies), but generally the best place to get substantial portable games is still, and will probably always be (for various reasons) dedicated gaming devices. The retail games may cost more, but they're worth it, and gamers know that, and there's a lot of them.

On another note, I'm a little disappointed I missed out on all this "friendly discussion". I've been having a few such discussions on IGN, so I didn't notice it here. Ah well.

nindocrash

#280

nindocrash said:

@Late agreed. gaming is just a app on a tablet or smart phone, and not a constantly focused priority,
of their consumers. and that fact alone, will only drive away dedicated gamers, who favor any truely devoted
console.

MAB

#284

MAB said:

I prefer to wait and play my games with no 5 minute demo times without glitches and framerate issues and without handling controls + devices used by a thousand germ laden geeks :P

Windy

#285

Windy said:

@WesCash Yikes im 47 and I own 2 dslites, dsphat, DSi, and a 3ds ambassador and a 3dsXL also I have 5 friends 45+ who still game on but mainly play xbox360 so we are out there and I assure you we play on DS and 3DS. I also game on Ipad and Android and even though gaming of late on 3ds has been smoking hot android and Ipad gaming is still slightly btter at this time but if this keeps up it wont be long Nintendo will be king of the hill again

KaiserGX

#287

KaiserGX said:

@For goodness' sake, why does anyone take LJM seriously?

You think everyone that signs up on here and comments knows how LJM is? Especially the new people we are getting lately. Don't be surprised.

yobucky

#288

yobucky said:

I dream of a land where the two can co-exist... People who are content to play cheap distractions on their idevice can do so without saying more serious gaming devices are dead. Until these devices have more inputs and buttons they are never really going to offer the same gaming experience, it'll always be little touch games and gyro-gimmicks. Sure there's bad games on the nintendo platforms, mostly third party, but even some made by nintendo, but for depth of game you still can't compare the two. Those who want a deeper handheld experience are ok with paying 40 dollars for a premium game. And it's also about desirability, why do you think there are clothing stores that can sell a t-shirt for $200 plus? Certainly not because it's 20 times better quality than a $10 dollar shirt, it's about branding and desirablity. For a lot of people a quality nintendo game is a desirable product, so it's allowed to cost more than some $1 distraction cooked up by some kid at university. And there is also the ever-expanding eshop if you're in need of cheap distractions, which despite been cheap are still strictly quality controlled.
So really it's silly that people even debate the issue, ipads are multi-function devices so of course they're not going to play games, or take photos, or play music, or be a phone or just about anything as well as something that is created for that purpose... stop kidding yourselves into thinking that they can. The selling point is the fact you have all these devices wrapped into one, but serious followers of any of those disciplines are always going to opt for something dedicated to their craft. This debate is like saying that there's no more market for high-end SLR cameras because ipads take photos. Or people shouldn't buy photoshop anymore because instagram does cool effects.

cfgk24

#289

cfgk24 said:

@Rococoman
I'm 41 - I have a 3ds XL, a Standard Black 3DS and an imported US Red 3ds - I also have 2 x Imported Matt black DSi consoles for using in Korg DS10+ which is a professional level synthesizer. I also use my Wii only for Wii Fit Plus on a daily basis and I sold my Xbox 360. Art Academy, Colors 3d, inchworm animation - all high quality applications that benefit form the Dual screen and stylus approach.

I am looking forward to some of the moreAdult games coming out of Japan . . :)

Kirk

#290

Kirk said:

While smartphones and tablets are certainly not as good as dedicated handhelds and consoles for many types of games it is absolutely wrong to say they aren't gaming devices. Just because they do other stuff too that doesn't mean they aren't gaming devices. They are. They're just not dedicated gaming devices but the fact is that for certain types of games they are actually superior to both handhelds and consoles. Overall though, obviously dedicated handhelds and consoles are better for most games.

JoanAM

#291

JoanAM said:

I have a 3DS and an iPhone and I love them both. However, when it comes to videogames, the 3DS gives me the right gaming feeling but their games, at least eShop talking, are expensive and not many, while the iPhone gives me easier and cheaper access to games but it lacks the physical buttons mandatory for a real gaming system.

My point is: the day Apple releases an official iGamepad Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are screwed.

Windy

#292

Windy said:

I understand where she is comming from. However The Ipad and my Android tablet are wonderful gaming devices and they get better everyday with better and better software all the time. I'm sorry but Miss Pearce is being really unrealistic if she doesn't think those devices can be someone's dedicated gaming device. Get some games like words with friends, Iruna, star legends, pocket legends, The world of magic, Udraw and many many others I could go on all day and we can talk then about appealing to older gamers. I'm sorry but I've been gaming now since the 70's on the original Atari 2600 and Nintendo has done a poor job of moving along with us older gamers. I'm sticking with Nintendo cause the Handheld 3DS my system of choice is what I have chosen but im going to make myself heard. The Tablets are totally geared for older gamers. The 3DS and the Wii have no games that even come close to the few games I mentioned above all of them very cool and all of them online multiplayer dedicated. Nintendo is late to that party

Windy

#293

Windy said:

@yobokkie Im sorry but Nintendo has not been living up to this Quality software with the exception a few titles the rest of it is pretty much trash. They also think they can appeal to older gamers by bringing out VC games that we already played. Sometimes it's nice to play an old game but I for one would like to see some new software geared to older gamers and don't want a bunch of old has been gameboy games on my 3D playstation 2 powered handheld

Lalivero

#294

Lalivero said:

@JoanAM Nintendo's IPs should keep it afloat for quite some time and Sony might even stand a chance if they can get a hold of some more exclusives. It probably would be the end of Microsoft though(gaming wise).

@Windy It has worked though or they wouldn't be doing it at all; there would be no point in re-releasing such games if there would be no interest for them.

Yeah they haven't been up to as much lately, but what did you really expect when they were getting familiar with a new home console...and a handheld that hasn't been quite out for 2 years yet? Once things settle down and everyone gets familiar, we'll most likely be seeing the really good games. Just be patient. :)

Mr_Video

#297

Mr_Video said:

Yeah, gotta say, tablet games aren't really games in my opinion...They're more like time killers if anything. Not that the games are what people buy iPads/tablets for anyways, they're just a nice addition to it.

Anyways, after reading the comments on this story here, I only got one question...Why're there Nintendo haters on a Nintendo based website? :P I honestly don't understand it. Do people actually sign up to a website just to throw out hate comments? Sounds like a waste of time...Just what I'm thinkin' though.

LittleKing

#298

LittleKing said:

@0LD_SK0OL_PUNK ...that was my whole point. I could've used my own posts as an example just as easily, or anyone elses. My point was that we all say things that seem stupid to others, or irrational, hell, even flamebait if it contains a radical opinion, but we don't ban people over it. JumpMad's comments are sarcastic and lighthearted, and even if they weren't, he hasn't said anything offensive. Even if he were being serious, why ban him? Because his comments seem stupid and his opinions aren't shared by many others? How many people do you see taking him seriously and getting in massive flame wars with him? I think most people can tell he isn't serious.

Sorry if I "went off," but I just found the notion of banning a user for saying stupid things (which he clearly doesn't mean half the time, and is just trying to be funny) was absurd.

Donjwolf

#299

Donjwolf said:

@Windy
Oh really? I've been gaming since the Vic-20, even earlier actually, and I still have no desire to game on an ipad or on a phone. I still prefer actual gaming systems with buttons and such that's normally standard for gaming.

Windy

#301

Windy said:

@Chriiis I don't think I said anything about re-releasing games did I? Sequels are actually beginning to stink it's usually just the same game again. I would rather see some new software.

@DonWolf Enjoy that.

WaLzgiStaff

#302

WaLzgi said:

I dun understand the hate for tablets.. If you don't think they're a threat, why are you treating them as such?! :O

OracleOfTruth

#303

OracleOfTruth said:

What I know:
1) Tablets/phones were not built solely for gaming, but can be used to play a wide selection.
2) The 3DS is currently selling just fine. Nintendo is not going to die.
3) Were are never going to come to an agreement about "which is best".
Since both are technically in potential competition with each other, why don't we discuss what each company can learn from the other?

Hokori

#304

Hokori said:

@The_Other_M Exactly, it's always people saying Nintendo is doomed if they don't give in and make apps for iPad that tick me off to the point of no return

OracleOfTruth

#306

OracleOfTruth said:

@Windy Thank you! :)
@HarmoKnight I know. It can be infuriating when people hate on what you like. For this reason, we must remember to treat others likes with respect if we are to have any order. So what do you think Nintendo could do to help it compete better?

Wonder_Ideal

#307

Wonder_Ideal said:

@The_Other_M
Well played old boy! Calmly stating your opinion goes a long way. I have never played any phone games so I am not in a position to judge their quality. I hope to see both sides better themselves from the competition.

Windy

#308

Windy said:

With that....Thank you for reminding me of that fact @The_Other_M I appologize to DonWolf and totally respect your gaming choice and oppinion. Thanks for reminding me. I've been extremely critical of Nintendo as of late. I love my 3DS and just want it to succeed. It is succeeding. Both Tablets and 3ds are pretty nice platforms to have. Believe it or not and im about to give away my age haha....when I was 10 years old Pong had not come out yet. There was no such thing as videogames

Hokori

#310

Hokori said:

@The_Other_M I have a ton of things I would list to make Nintendo better (probably more then 100) but giving in and selling out isn't one of them :)

Hokori

#316

Hokori said:

@Windy Well TBH I know people enjoy them, but there's a difference between enjoying them and completely saying Nintendos junk, which I've seen users on here say that....

GreenDream

#317

GreenDream said:

Anything can be a gaming device if you want it to be hard enough! My cats taught me that. They derive more enjoyment from a paper bag and "magic wand" than from feathers or mousie toys!

I had a chance to get an iPhone once, and I rejected it for a regular phone. None of my gaming consoles need exorbitantly expensive monthly subscriptions to be worthwhile!

ChibiJib

#319

ChibiJib said:

I'd rather play one game for 3 years on a GBA (Super Mario World) than own 10 iOS games of my choice any day...

(BTW that 'one game for 3 years' story is true... Even if it was only one game, I had HEAPS of fun)

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