Finished Young Souls, 100% complete.
Really enjoyed it. Great rpg elements and nice combat, beat it on hard which was, well, hard.
Finished They Always Run, I absolutely loved this game, beautiful to look at, great gameplay and tight combat. Add in an ending I didn't expect with a great song and soundtrack means this game will stay with me for a while. Excellent.
Finished Gal Guardians.
This game annoyed me, repetitive sound bytes that grate by the end of the game.
Padding the game with a fetch quest that requires you to go through most of the levels again including the bosses to open the final battle felt like a very lazy design choice. Gameplay was ok, so too the visuals but not as good as I hoped sadly.
I have a copy of Haak being delivered after I scored a cancelled copy from Super Rare Games after I missed out from the initial sales window.
A nice surprise and excellent service from Super Rare Games so I'll probably play my digital version again as I wait.
Also going back to my playthrough of The Messenger I never finished so I'm going to fix that mistake this weekend.
Playing Bloodborne on my PS4 after I picked up a like new copy for $2.50 from an op shop which was a good score, enjoying it so far.
@DogDetective
If you miss out send Super Rare a message telling them you really wanted it but missed out. They'll put you on a list if someone cancels and will notify you. I just got Haak after missing out and they sent me a message telling me that a copy was available after a cancellation.
I now have a copy of Haak on its way to me as I type this.
It comes out on the same day as my wife's birthday so I have had this pre-ordered for ages.
She loved it when it came out on the Cube and she will be absolutely rapt.
Some browny points for me ð
Also, we get a set of fridge magnets here so that's nice.
Still have my Cube copy in mint condition so it's worth a fair bit, it will be nice to play it again on Switch.
Still playing Dark Devotion.
Absolutely loving it, highly recommended if you like a good rogue like, souls like, Metroidvania or all 3. It mixes them perfectly and is a very underrated game.
Still going with La Mulana slowly but surely.
My collector's edition of Young Souls arrived from Pix n Love after I bought it at 50% off in their sale.
Can't wait.
Started La Mulana 1, love the lack of hand holding.
Old school difficulty with some great puzzles, got pretty far through it so far and I'm really enjoying it.
Also started Dark Devotion after my physical copy arrived this week. I am absolutely addicted to this excellent mix of Metroidvania, rogue like and souls like. It works amazingly.
The weapons have great weight to them, the multiple paths through it each with their own bosses is excellent and the gameplay loop is brilliant.
Also waiting for my copy of Pronty to arrive as well although I already played it digitally, great game that I'll be happy to replay.
Just finished Steamworld Dig 2 after grabbing it for 80% off. Excellent game, thoroughly enjoyed it. I knew I would though as I have the first on my Wii U.
Just about finished Sword of the Vagrant.
Beautiful artwork and a great game as well. I will have to grab a physical copy.
Also, my Darksiders 3 PS4 playthrough came to a halt as my save file has been corrupted and I have to start over again....and of course I was right near the end. Grrrrr.
Oh well, thankfully I was absolutely lovong it.
Still playing Disney's Illusion Island 4 player with the family which is a good laugh.
I prefer the Rush series over the Extreme G series myself.
Let's hope they get a release, not that I care as I have a complete set of N64 games and still play it regularly with my kids but I'm glad obscure titles like Iggy are getting released.
I've had no problems with LRG, you've gotta be prepared to wait and not expect them any time soon. It also helps if you email them and ask where your copy is after they've released to get bumped into their next shipping que. Just a couple of tips.
Also, if you want to get their games after they've released I recommend VGP ( Video Games Plus) as they get LRG standard releases as well as Premium Edition games, Red Art Games, Strictly Limited, VGNY, Signature Editions and a few others.
It's good to know if you don't want to go through LRG themselves.
I've Blasphemous 2 CE and Last Faith CE ordered through them and have no problems whatsoever.
FInished Lunark, amazing game. Short but very, very good. Really enjoyed it.
Also finished Curse of the Sea Rats, another awesome Metroidvania, really enjoyed it. Great artwork.
Started Disney's Illusion Island, great art and the writing is actually funny. The family is playing 4 player which is awesome since it is a Metroidvania and my kids now like them.
On PS4 I've started Darksiders 3, awesome game so far, absolutely loving it.
Finished Nobody Saves the World.
What an awesome game, Drinkbox have made another game that I absolutely love.
Highly recommended.
Also finished Curse of the Sea Rats after my Kickstarter bundle arrived a few months ago.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, another great Metroidvania.
Started The Bounty Huntress after grabbing it cheap in the Eshop Metroidvania sale.
Also bought a second complete copy of Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey 98 for my N64 collection to steal bits and pieces off to make a mint Aus rated copy so I might play that again while I've got it out.
@JimmyFleck
I highly recommend Astronite and maybe Dogworld.
If you loved Gato then these deserve a look. Both nice and short with heaps of charm and both have that same black and white retro look.
I highly recommend Haiku the Robot Astronite (especially if you like Gatoroboto) Aeterna Noctis (massive game, 40+ hours) Zapling Bygone
I've played nearly every game in that list and these are the games that most overlook.
Not sure if this game is in the list but if you like the Ori games I also recommend Imp of the Sun.
A great Metroidvania with some beautiful art that mixed both the Ori series (artwork and story) with the Gaucamelee series (combat, locked in until you beat the baddies).
Also a game that I love is Dogworld.
It has some great run and gun combat and if you want to unlock everything has a bit of Metroidvania backtracking. Not a traditional Metroidvania but still has some MV elements.
Just finished Tails of Iron in preparation for the sequel.
Really enjoyed it, the bosses are tough as nails but I love a good challenge and I really like the artwork.
Also finished Demoniaca, another good Metroidvania, love the music.
About to start either Lunark or Curse of the Searats.
Also started Walking Dead Destinies just to see if it as bad as everyone thinks after finding a physical copy in the bargain bin already.
Sure it's clunky, the graphics are PS2 era and the production values are as low as they can get but as a fan of the show I'm still enjoying it. I'm taking advantage of how broken some of the game mechanics are but that's half the fun.
It is definitely a good laugh.
Already have Paper Mario pre-ordered so I get the free magnets.
Also have Blasphemous 2 CE pre-ordered even though I already have the standard edition.
Love that game
I also have The Last Faith CE and Lost Ruins pre-ordered for next month.
Finished Eagle Island Twist, great game.
My Collectors Edition of Nobody Saves the World arrived so I've started playing that. What an awesome game, thoroughly enjoying it.
Also my Alien Isolation Collector Edition arrived as well so I'll have to give that a try.
I bought the Elite Edition of Demoniaca so that's also sitting in my collection waiting to be played.
I have an abundance of games to play atm.
Also finished jett Rider, what an awesome little game this was.
Really surprised me at how good it was.
A fun game with some great nods to Donkey Kong Arcade, Pong and Pacman.
Just finished Xeodrifter, great little game, thoroughly enjoyed it, just wish it was longer.
Just started Eagle Island Twist this game is so addictive, I'm loving it. Highly recommended.
I bought spare consoles for cheap on clearance, I have new DS Phat, N64, Wii U, 2 2DS, 2 3DS and 4 Switch consoles all bnib for my future gaming. I have done it nearly every generation so I have replacement consoles ready to go.
Probably got enough to start my own spare parts shop.........hmmmm
Excellent game, one of my favourites. So much so I bought the Limited Signature Edition from Pix n Love with a hand signed card from all the developers.
Glad to see Prince of Persia Lost Crown in there, deserves to be higher.
I am enjoying it more than Dread, I really didn't enjoy Dread, it was ok but those Emmi sections were just annoying more than fun imo. Anyway, PoPTLC is worth every cent. I'm playing it on hard and it is excellent, just about found everything and finished it. One of my favourite Switch games ever.
I keep every game I own, even the bad ones. Bad games are worth lots of money eventually too, my complete copy of Superman 64 is now worth way more than what I paid for it.
I own every Pal N64 game released here in Australia, all complete. I also have a massive Cube, Wii, Wii U and Switch collections. I'm keeping them all, my kids will thank me long after I'm gone. They can sell them and fund whatever they like with them.
In the meantime we all get to play them together, so it's a win, win situation.
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Re: Ubisoft Toronto Joins Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time 'Remake' Project
Like sands of time through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Define 'Retro'?
I'm 53, so to me anything older than yesterday.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (1st June)
Finished a few games this week.
Finished Young Souls, 100% complete.
Really enjoyed it. Great rpg elements and nice combat, beat it on hard which was, well, hard.
Finished They Always Run, I absolutely loved this game, beautiful to look at, great gameplay and tight combat. Add in an ending I didn't expect with a great song and soundtrack means this game will stay with me for a while. Excellent.
Finished Gal Guardians.
This game annoyed me, repetitive sound bytes that grate by the end of the game.
Padding the game with a fetch quest that requires you to go through most of the levels again including the bosses to open the final battle felt like a very lazy design choice. Gameplay was ok, so too the visuals but not as good as I hoped sadly.
I have a copy of Haak being delivered after I scored a cancelled copy from Super Rare Games after I missed out from the initial sales window.
A nice surprise and excellent service from Super Rare Games so I'll probably play my digital version again as I wait.
Also going back to my playthrough of The Messenger I never finished so I'm going to fix that mistake this weekend.
Playing Bloodborne on my PS4 after I picked up a like new copy for $2.50 from an op shop which was a good score, enjoying it so far.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Monster-Collecting RPG Cassette Beasts Scores Stunning Physical Deluxe Edition Next Month
@DogDetective
All good
Glad to help.
Re: Monster-Collecting RPG Cassette Beasts Scores Stunning Physical Deluxe Edition Next Month
@DogDetective
If you miss out send Super Rare a message telling them you really wanted it but missed out. They'll put you on a list if someone cancels and will notify you. I just got Haak after missing out and they sent me a message telling me that a copy was available after a cancellation.
I now have a copy of Haak on its way to me as I type this.
Just a tip for anyone who might miss out.
Re: Gorgeous Pixel Art Metroidvania 'Blade Chimera' Gets August Launch Window
I liked Lodoss from Team Ladybug but the rest of their games really don't do it for me.
This looks more like Lodoss though so I'm interested.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (25th May)
Finished Dark Devotion.
All 18 bosses and all paths.
Brilliant game.
Started Young Souls.
Love the combat and rpg elements. Really enjoying it so far.
Still plugging away at LA Mulana.
Ordered Rogue Legacy 2 and Animal Well off LRG so I can't wait to play them near Xmas time ð
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door For Switch?
It comes out on the same day as my wife's birthday so I have had this pre-ordered for ages.
She loved it when it came out on the Cube and she will be absolutely rapt.
Some browny points for me ð
Also, we get a set of fridge magnets here so that's nice.
Still have my Cube copy in mint condition so it's worth a fair bit, it will be nice to play it again on Switch.
Re: Taito Milestones 3 Coming Winter 2024, First Batch Of Games Revealed
I loved playing Rastan in the arcades when I was a kid. Put a fair few coins into it from my pocket money. The 80's were indeed an awesome era.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (18th May)
Still playing Dark Devotion.
Absolutely loving it, highly recommended if you like a good rogue like, souls like, Metroidvania or all 3. It mixes them perfectly and is a very underrated game.
Still going with La Mulana slowly but surely.
My collector's edition of Young Souls arrived from Pix n Love after I bought it at 50% off in their sale.
Can't wait.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (11th May)
Started La Mulana 1, love the lack of hand holding.
Old school difficulty with some great puzzles, got pretty far through it so far and I'm really enjoying it.
Also started Dark Devotion after my physical copy arrived this week. I am absolutely addicted to this excellent mix of Metroidvania, rogue like and souls like. It works amazingly.
The weapons have great weight to them, the multiple paths through it each with their own bosses is excellent and the gameplay loop is brilliant.
Also waiting for my copy of Pronty to arrive as well although I already played it digitally, great game that I'll be happy to replay.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (4th May)
Just finished Iconoclasts, enjoyed it but not as much as I thought I would.
Still good but not as good as other Metroidvania's I've played this year.
Also finished Steamworld Dig 2 last week, now that was an excellent game.
Started La Mulana this week, it is hard and old school, no hand holding here.
Really enjoyable though. A nice change.
Bought a brand new sealed copy of Dark Devotion for a bargain off ebay. Can't wait for it to arrive. I will play that as soon as it does.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Rogue Legacy 2 Getting Limited Run Physical Release, Pre-Orders Open Next Week
I'll grab it before pre orders close.
I've got a huge backlog already so I can wait.
Re: Community: 28 Switch Games We Missed, As Recommended By You Lovely People
I highly recommend Skul The hero Slayer.
It even has the prisoner from Dead Cells head in it and gives you his abilities!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (27th April)
Just finished Steamworld Dig 2 after grabbing it for 80% off. Excellent game, thoroughly enjoyed it. I knew I would though as I have the first on my Wii U.
Just about finished Sword of the Vagrant.
Beautiful artwork and a great game as well. I will have to grab a physical copy.
Also, my Darksiders 3 PS4 playthrough came to a halt as my save file has been corrupted and I have to start over again....and of course I was right near the end. Grrrrr.
Oh well, thankfully I was absolutely lovong it.
Still playing Disney's Illusion Island 4 player with the family which is a good laugh.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Review: Tales Of Kenzera: ZAU (Switch) - An Emotional Metroidvania That Plays It Too Safe
Added to my wishlist to buy on a deep sale.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's N64 Library With Two More Titles
Glad others get to enjoy these titles.
I prefer the Rush series over the Extreme G series myself.
Let's hope they get a release, not that I care as I have a complete set of N64 games and still play it regularly with my kids but I'm glad obscure titles like Iggy are getting released.
Re: Community: Played A Switch Game Gem We Missed? Send Us Your Recommendations
@SolBlazer
Thanks for the heads up.
Added to my wishlist asap.
I loved Hyper Light Drifter and this looks just as good.
Thanks again.
Re: Strayed Lights Is Getting A Physical Switch Release, Pre-Orders Open Soon
I've had no problems with LRG, you've gotta be prepared to wait and not expect them any time soon.
It also helps if you email them and ask where your copy is after they've released to get bumped into their next shipping que. Just a couple of tips.
Also, if you want to get their games after they've released I recommend VGP ( Video Games Plus) as they get LRG standard releases as well as Premium Edition games, Red Art Games, Strictly Limited, VGNY, Signature Editions and a few others.
It's good to know if you don't want to go through LRG themselves.
I've Blasphemous 2 CE and Last Faith CE ordered through them and have no problems whatsoever.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (20th April)
FInished Lunark, amazing game. Short but very, very good. Really enjoyed it.
Also finished Curse of the Sea Rats, another awesome Metroidvania, really enjoyed it. Great artwork.
Started Disney's Illusion Island, great art and the writing is actually funny. The family is playing 4 player which is awesome since it is a Metroidvania and my kids now like them.
On PS4 I've started Darksiders 3, awesome game so far, absolutely loving it.
Have a great weekend everyone..
Re: Random: 25 Years On, Fans Find New Konami Code In Castlevania: Legacy Of Darkness
This is awesome.
I'll have to pull out my CIB copy to give it a try.
Good enough excuse to play any of my N64 games tbh.
Re: Round Up: All The Games You Missed From Japan's Indie World Showcase (April 2024)
BÅ for me. Looks great.
Re: 'NetherWorld' Brings Deliciously Dark Storytelling To Switch In 2025
The trailer hit me right in the nether regions.
Looks great, mght get the physical.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (13th April)
Finished Nobody Saves the World.
What an awesome game, Drinkbox have made another game that I absolutely love.
Highly recommended.
Also finished Curse of the Sea Rats after my Kickstarter bundle arrived a few months ago.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, another great Metroidvania.
Started The Bounty Huntress after grabbing it cheap in the Eshop Metroidvania sale.
Also bought a second complete copy of Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey 98 for my N64 collection to steal bits and pieces off to make a mint Aus rated copy so I might play that again while I've got it out.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Prince Of Persia Roguelite From Dead Cells Dev Revealed, Switch Not Confirmed
The gameplay and art style reminds me a lot of Treasures of the Aegean which did this with better animation and some awesome parkour movesets.
Re: Switch eShop Sale Knocks Up To 80% Off Select 'Metroidvanias'
@JimmyFleck
I highly recommend Astronite and maybe Dogworld.
If you loved Gato then these deserve a look. Both nice and short with heaps of charm and both have that same black and white retro look.
Re: Switch eShop Sale Knocks Up To 80% Off Select 'Metroidvanias'
I highly recommend
Haiku the Robot
Astronite (especially if you like Gatoroboto)
Aeterna Noctis (massive game, 40+ hours)
Zapling Bygone
I've played nearly every game in that list and these are the games that most overlook.
Not sure if this game is in the list but if you like the Ori games I also recommend Imp of the Sun.
A great Metroidvania with some beautiful art that mixed both the Ori series (artwork and story) with the Gaucamelee series (combat, locked in until you beat the baddies).
Also a game that I love is Dogworld.
It has some great run and gun combat and if you want to unlock everything has a bit of Metroidvania backtracking. Not a traditional Metroidvania but still has some MV elements.
Re: Random: Chris Pratt Looks Back On The Mario Movie With A 'Brilliant' Dad Joke
The Super.Barbio Bros game needs to happen.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (6th April)
Just finished Tails of Iron in preparation for the sequel.
Really enjoyed it, the bosses are tough as nails but I love a good challenge and I really like the artwork.
Also finished Demoniaca, another good Metroidvania, love the music.
About to start either Lunark or Curse of the Searats.
Also started Walking Dead Destinies just to see if it as bad as everyone thinks after finding a physical copy in the bargain bin already.
Sure it's clunky, the graphics are PS2 era and the production values are as low as they can get but as a fan of the show I'm still enjoying it. I'm taking advantage of how broken some of the game mechanics are but that's half the fun.
It is definitely a good laugh.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Surprise! A New Listing For Hollow Knight: Silksong Has Appeared Online
I really hope this is true and not just a Hollow Knight in disguise.
I'm ready to hear that Silksong
I hope they release a Collector's Edition, that would be the Cherry on the top.
Alright, I'll stop now.
Re: Upcoming Nintendo Switch Games And Accessories For April And May 2024
Already have Paper Mario pre-ordered so I get the free magnets.
Also have Blasphemous 2 CE pre-ordered even though I already have the standard edition.
Love that game
I also have The Last Faith CE and Lost Ruins pre-ordered for next month.
Good time to be a gamer.
Re: Review: Rebel Transmute (Switch) - A Brutally Brilliant Metroid-Like
Been waiting for this.
I mainly play Metroidvania's and my Switch collection is mostly that genre so I'll be getting it.
Re: Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown Is Already On Sale (US)
I bought it day one.
Glad I did, worth every cent plus I wanted to support a great game
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (16th March)
Finished Eagle Island Twist, great game.
My Collectors Edition of Nobody Saves the World arrived so I've started playing that. What an awesome game, thoroughly enjoying it.
Also my Alien Isolation Collector Edition arrived as well so I'll have to give that a try.
I bought the Elite Edition of Demoniaca so that's also sitting in my collection waiting to be played.
I have an abundance of games to play atm.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (March 2nd)
Finished Tunic, loved it, really great game
Also finished jett Rider, what an awesome little game this was.
Really surprised me at how good it was.
A fun game with some great nods to Donkey Kong Arcade, Pong and Pacman.
Just finished Xeodrifter, great little game, thoroughly enjoyed it, just wish it was longer.
Just started Eagle Island Twist this game is so addictive, I'm loving it. Highly recommended.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (February 24th)
Playing Tunic after I bought the Deluxe Edition, really enjoying it so far, great game.
Also finished Skautdold Usurper which I enjoyed.
Will probably start Xeodrifter or Curse of the Sea Rats next.
Have a great weekend everyone
Re: Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown Devs Promise New Content & Free Updates In The Future
An awesome game, I beat it on hard so I suppose I should go up another gear and try immortal.
Can't wait for more reasons to try this game again.
Re: Upcoming Platformer 'Krimson' Looks Like A Nightmare, And We Want It
Reminds me of my early childhood in the late 70's early 80's where we found these mushrooms..........I'm sure I had that dream ð
Re: Nintendo To Stop Repairing 2DS, New 3DS & 3DS XL In Japan
@Nontendo_4DS
Xenoblade Chronicles X more than makes up for it thankfully ð
Re: Nintendo To Stop Repairing 2DS, New 3DS & 3DS XL In Japan
I bought spare consoles for cheap on clearance, I have new DS Phat, N64, Wii U, 2 2DS, 2 3DS and 4 Switch consoles all bnib for my future gaming.
I have done it nearly every generation so I have replacement consoles ready to go.
Probably got enough to start my own spare parts shop.........hmmmm
Re: Xbox Exclusives Hi-Fi RUSH & Pentiment Reportedly Coming To "Rival Consoles"
Welcome to the new NetfliXbox
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (February 10th)
Just finished Vernal Edge on hard mode, it was great
Just started Itorah, what a beautiful looking game.
Will probably start Skautdold Bloody Pack next or Eagle Island Twist.
Also picked up my Collectors Edition of Lunark from LRG so I'm looking forward to playing that as well.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Sifu Developer Teases "A Few Surprises" For Second Anniversary
Excellent game, one of my favourites.
So much so I bought the Limited Signature Edition from Pix n Love with a hand signed card from all the developers.
Can't wait to see what they have in store for us.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (February 3rd)
Just finished Prince of Persia Lost Crown, absolutely loved every minute of it. Well worth every cent.
Also finished Saga of Sins and just started Vernal Edge which I'm enjoying as well.
I will probably start Itorah after that.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: UK Charts: Mario Wonder Narrowly Makes The Top Five As New Releases Fight For Gold
Glad to see Prince of Persia Lost Crown in there, deserves to be higher.
I am enjoying it more than Dread, I really didn't enjoy Dread, it was ok but those Emmi sections were just annoying more than fun imo.
Anyway, PoPTLC is worth every cent.
I'm playing it on hard and it is excellent, just about found everything and finished it.
One of my favourite Switch games ever.
Re: Limited Edition Shovel Knight Switch Joy-Con Revealed, Pre-Orders Now Live
I'm not shoveling out that much for them, I don't live on a Knights wage, more like the squire boy.
They look fit for a King though.
Alright, I'll stop.
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Re: Over 50 Years After The Original, Pong's Sequel Gets A Switch Release Date
I was born in 1971.
This story makes me feel very, very old.
I'm starting to Pong.
ð
Now get off my lawn!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 20th)
Prince of Persia physical copy, awesome game.
Loving it.
Chronicles of 2 Heroes, still plugging away at it, enjoying the old school difficulty.
Also bought the physical copy of Tunic Deluxe Edition which I'm looking forward to.
Just Finished Pronty, loved it, I will have to buy the physical of it now.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown?
Picking it up tomorrow.
Day one, I'll support them for bringing out an excellent game.
Re: Poll: How Often Do You Trade-In Your Switch Games?
I keep every game I own, even the bad ones.
Bad games are worth lots of money eventually too, my complete copy of Superman 64 is now worth way more than what I paid for it.
I own every Pal N64 game released here in Australia, all complete.
I also have a massive Cube, Wii, Wii U and Switch collections.
I'm keeping them all, my kids will thank me long after I'm gone.
They can sell them and fund whatever they like with them.
In the meantime we all get to play them together, so it's a win, win situation.