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Nintendo: "Experience of Playing", Not Tech Specs, Key to Wii U

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

It worked for Wii

As the release of Wii U approaches, much focus seems to be on its technical capabilities, particularly its graphical prowess. Comments from anonymous developers that Wii U is less powerful than PS3 and Xbox 360 have raised the issue about how capable the machine 'needs' to be in terms of the graphics it's producing: we've already questioned whether the system's power is really that important.

Nintendo of America has now weighed in with a few carefully chosen words, which come as little surprise to those who've been gaming on a Wii for the past five years.

We do not focus on technology specs. We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers.

This is the same line that Nintendo has used when questioned about the modest graphical capabilities of Wii, so it can't be argued that this philosophy is unexpected or new. Later this year we can all find out for ourselves whether the Wii U's package of experience and visual flair is enough to satisfy our appetites, but it's an approach that's worked for the company before now.

[via news.yahoo.com]

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User Comments (98)

pc999

#2

pc999 said:

A fair ratio of performance/features/price/power consumption is all I can ask.

That said, a AMD APU equivalent at 250-300€ with the controllers (tablet and Wiimotion+) and a camera or something extra would be perfect in my opinion.

SuperNictendo

#3

SuperNictendo said:

I know graphics aren't everything but it would be great to have the graphics be at least current gen.

hendie001

#4

hendie001 said:

i will buy a wii u but im starting to get worried that the average gamer might take a pass because of the lack of power . come on nintendo we have been hearing this wii crap for too long . give us somthing we will be proud to own

C-Olimar

#5

C-Olimar said:

This time specs are important. however, as the controller is nowhere near as revolutionary.

shake_zula

#7

shake_zula said:

Not that I'm bothered, but I'm guessing this means the Wii U will not be significantly more powerful than the 360 or PS3? Surely if it was going to be a big step ahead of current-gen they'd have mentioned it in this statement.

Just to reiterate so no-one jumps on my back, I really don't care. Hopefully it'll mean a nice affordable launch price :]

edhe

#8

edhe said:

* sigh *...

Well I just hope the third party developers have enough patience to develop for the console.

That being said, if the rumours about the PS and XBOX consoles are true, I definitely won't be buying either of them instead.

Late

#9

Late said:

Now everyone is like: "Oh no! It's another Wii again!"
Just to remind you. Even if they said that, they still have proven that Wii U graphics look nice and they haven't told how good they exactly are. Can't you people just wait for E3 or when you actually get to try the console?
I'm pretty sure that Wii U has more power than PS3 or XBOX 360 (and it doesn't matter to me if they are worse) and there's no way to get them to be better as the other next generation consoles as new XBOX and PS are coming after Wii U. They have plenty of time to make them better than Wii U's.
I really don't see how people react to all these news like they would be the end of the world.

erv

#10

erv said:

Hey, as long as monster hunter awesome online edition with incremental upgrades is going to look and play baddonkey , who cares :P

Shworange

#11

Shworange said:

@shake_zula
Agreed. I think with if it blew away the other systems, it would be hard to resist at least hinting at that.

This quote from Nintendo seems to be their way of lowering expectations. The system may be incredible. If however, hype exists that its graphical processors crush the competition and the system ends up just barely beating them out, it may be viewed as a failure by investors and gamers.

Deviant_Mugen

#12

Deviant_Mugen said:

"...the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers."

Great philosophy; it's why I'll always buy Nintendo...

LittleIrves

#13

LittleIrves said:

The actual Yahoo "news" story is pretty bad, the way they jump to conclusions about an unreleased console based on quotes from unnamed sources. Um, yeah. It's a shame a few people will actually read that article and dismiss Wii U from the get-go. The comments section is actually quite heartening; most recognize it's the game and not the graphix that win the day.

Mikau94

#14

Mikau94 said:

I don't need nice graphics, but it wouldn't hurt Nintendo. I think they should try to keep up with graphics so that they will boost sales. They need to try to appeal to a broader audience; and by broader I don't mean Wii Fit.

rjejr

#15

rjejr said:

It's not about the specs, it's about the games. And the price. And piracy. At least if I recall correctly piracy was blamed for the demise of the Dreamcast, though personally I see the overhyped PS2 launch as the culprit. But it's always about the games. The "experience of playing" is BS BTW. The Wii outsold the PS3 and Xbox360 b/c of price. Raise your hand if you think the Wii at $500 outsells the PS3 or Xbox360 at $250. Yes, Wii Sports sold the Wii in the US to families, but what it really sold was Wii Sports (and lots of extra Wiimotes). Motion didn't sell the "wii' as a gaming console to gamers. Fortunately for Nintendo hardware sales there are a lot more families than hard core gamers. Which begs the question - who is Nintendo's target market for the WiiU? Hard core gamers, families, Wii owners who have upgraded to HD tvs? If you can correctly guess who they plan to sell this to, you can probably guess the price and specs and games. Maybe they should call it The Nintendo DanceWorkoutHD system.

No-longer-postin

#17

No-longer-postin said:

It's the developers that make the games look like they do, just because a game doesn't look as good graphically doesn't mean its the company that made the system. Monster Hunter TRI for Wii and Rogue Leader for GameCube both look great on my 42" 1080p 120Hz TV whereas Twilight Princess Skyward Sword and looks almost terrible

FluttershyGuy

#18

FluttershyGuy said:

A wishy-washy, corporate non-answer like this is likely to add credibility to these rumors of Wiii U not even being up to par with the years-old PS3 & 360! Not sure I agree with their approach here, as it could inspire less confidence than ever, especially in critics and those "on the fence."

nfzeta007

#19

nfzeta007 said:

All i ask is for a console which can run all the cross-plat games, once that happens i'll be good.

Lalivero

#20

Lalivero said:

Well graphics are starting to get closer to the wall that is 'reality-like', so even though the Nextbox and Ps4 are most likely going to be superior powerwise, I highly doubt that it is going to be anywhere Wii compared to Ps3 and Xbox 360.

With third parties doing a lot of praising, that is at least saying something: Nintendo will be able to do it's own innovative magic, but it will very likely still have the 'power-based' support of a lot of third parties and possible 'hardcore' gamers, imo. It's like a usual but with a boost(the latter above).

Like others have said, they want to try to reach a greater audience, so creativity + this big leap up in power, etc.(and all that) to what they are normally dealing with + great games + getting with the 'online' scene? Seems like a really great situation they'll be in this time.

Go Nintendo and all parties!!

aaronsullivan

#21

aaronsullivan said:

I agree with Nintendo's philosophy on this and I DO think this is Nintendo trying to temper expectations, but I also want the most powerful system possible. :)

After having a taste of Mario Kart Wii on a 100+ inch screen in HD and stereoscopic 3D, why wouldn't I want the new system to live up to that natively? It makes great games an even better experience most of the time.

Dorkvader

#22

Dorkvader said:

What's funny is that yesterday Gearbox said that the console will have one of the best-looking versions of upcoming shooter Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Mandoble

#23

Mandoble said:

"We do not focus on technology specs." -> it is like saying, hey third parties, we dont care about your needs, go and adapt your designs the best you can to our limitations. The comment is a total nonsense, as these creating games are the devs, a console is just a tool to play these games, if the tool is not on the required level, then the devs will simply choice another tool. Nintendo should stop looking at them as the center of the gamin universe, because today they are already far away from that spot. They should ask third parties what do they need, what do they want and then try to bring to the table the best suited solution for them. Third parties represent 90% of the gaming software out there, if Nintendo just design their consoles thinking on their own needs it will not be any surprise to end with the very same situation the Wii had (and same as for 3DS) with everybody ignoring Nintendo except Nintendo itself.

JayceJa

#24

JayceJa said:

@Chriiis
the difference will be just as big, just in other ways, there isnt much further you can push a single model or scene aesthetically, but a more powerful console means you can run better AI, larger areas and much more stuff on screen at the same time without sacrificing graphics or fps to do so
power and technical specs has a LOT more than pure aesthetics riding on it, and if the wii u isnt up to par with the next sony and microsoft consoles, then games made to push those next gen consoles to their limits will cause the same problems for the wii u that the wii did

Alienfish

#25

Alienfish said:

This actually coincides with my thought that Nintendo is trying to underhype the power of their system until E3. They know da** well that graphical prowess matters. Iwata said it himself that it was one of the mistakes they made with the Wii. They're trying to throw us off balance now so that when E3 finally hits, we get completely blown away. That's what I think anyway.

The whole 'experience of play' statement doesn't neglect the idea of a high powered console that delivers better looking visuals than what we are currently used to. My eyes are a big part of my play experience and if they don't see something better than what they are used to on a new system then my opinion of that console's ability to satisfy my need for a good experience will be greatly diminished. If Nintendo wants to capture the attention of any 'hardcore' gamers from other consoles then they're going to have to bring it when it comes to power.

@JayceJa #24
Nice comment. I tend to forget that people don't realize the true limitations of weak hardware. Improving the hardware makes it possible to improve the gameplay experience as well as the look of the game. Saying that the Wii is good enough is kind of short sighted if you ask me. I want larger worlds, better AI, and more action in my games.

aaronsullivan

#26

aaronsullivan said:

Oh, and I'd say this definitely means that the Wii U is going to have graphics performance that is a little bit better than PS3 and 360 or a little bit worse... actually there is a third option, which is BOTH. It will do better at some things and worse at others, which is very likely. What it won't be is a giant leap over PS3 or 360 and most likely not even halfway between those and what the Sony and Microsoft offerings will be next year.

If it was a leap that significant, Iwata would be saying something a little more like "visuals are less important than game play, BUT they are a significant and important part of gaming and we know that." He didn't say that. At all. :)

mamp

#27

mamp said:

Numbers aren't everything is true, but when graphical capabilities start affecting my gaming experience I tend to have a problem, I'm just worried about third party support. The 3DS so far is amazing because it has some third party support and I love it. I'm just worried because even if the Wii is more powerful Sony and MS plan on releasing their own console which will most likely be even more powerful and I just don't want another Wii story to happen. I'm just gonna hope for the best and if this console is amazing after its release then I'll think about getting it.

FonistofCruxis

#28

FonistofCruxis said:

While the games are the most important part of a console, I think Nintendo should try and give the Wii U a lot of power if they want to gain the interest of third parties. I think the Wii U will really struggle if it isn't at least a bit more powerful than the PS3 and 360, (but it would be better if its power is significantly higher than the PS3 and 360) especially when the successors to those consoles will be out in a year of two and they'll be even more powerful, if not than third parties are less likely to be interested.

sc100

#29

sc100 said:

@Alienfish

Exactly. Iwata has already said that Nintendo is pursuing a different strategy with the Wii U as compared with the Wii, that they're wanting the system to appeal more to third-party developers and for the system not to be seen as just a casual system. That's why Nintendo has been making a big deal of all the third-party developers that have agreed to make games for the Wii U. And that's why I do think the system will be impressive power-wise. Remember that the Wii is the only time Nintendo has ever released a system that was way behind the competition power-wise, so this is not something Nintendo ALWAYS does. Just one time. So this time I think the Wii U will be like the way the GameCube was stacked up against the competition, except with vastly improved online capabilities. And of course with a new innovative controller that hopefully will really add a lot to gameplay.

Lalivero

#30

Lalivero said:

@JayceJa Well I didn't mean just visuals, but I see what you mean nonetheless. It's even more nerve-wrecking at the thought that Sony and MS will look at the WiiU's selling point(s) and try to build upon them as best they can before they're next releases + their usual leap in power in general. That's my main worry this time.

I'm planning on buying the WiiU as soon after the release I can, as impressive as it seemingly will be, but it's going to be saddening if Sony and MS pull off another Kinect/Move much sooner than last time. Hopefully all these rumors are actually to throw everyone off. If what we're hearing about Nintendo being a little restrictive early on, to better everything once this gen's competitors arrive, then I see some hope that this isn't another Wii scenario.

Either way, I'm still buying the system, just want it to be more comparable this time. Being a huge leap over what the Wii was able to pull off is easing things up for me already though.

sdcazares1980

#31

sdcazares1980 said:

Once again, Nintendo has completely missed the point about the specs. Nobody is saying that it's not about the game play (I wish people would stop making these silly assumptions), it's about your competition. As soon as Nintendo realizes that making games for multiplatforms is much cheaper to make than exclusives, then it would be much better for them to compete with the other consoles. Just because the Wii consoles have sold more than the PS3s and the Xbox 360s doesn't mean that they are playing the Wii consoles more.

Ernest_The_Crab

#32

Ernest_The_Crab said:

Well, not needing a constant online connection to play games is a plus in my books. Too many developers seem to be going towards constant online connections (Ubisoft being an especially notable one) and if the rumours are true, certain hardware creators are going that direction as well, which would be a rather bad business decision.

Frankly, if Nintendo can already make amazing looking games without HD, I can only imagine what they can do with their art direction on an HD console.

Lalivero

#33

Lalivero said:

@TheSolarKnight If constant online becomes a part of the Nextbox and Ps4, that will definitely be a turn off to some friends and others I know. Just the slightest disconnection is going to be a nightmare(if what I understand about this all is correct), especially considering the area I currently live in, internet of almost any sort isn't exactly...reliable all the time.

mamp

#34

mamp said:

@Chriiis
LOL Nextbox i like it, well it's way better than it's actual codename Durango and apparently PS orbis.

sdcazares1980

#35

sdcazares1980 said:

@sc100
I hope you're right, but I think this goes much deeper than just the graphics. I think Nintendo has tried to be so "different" than the other consoles that it has alienated itself not just from the competition, but from more traditional gamers and third party developers as well. Not having online definitely hurt the GameCube, as well as games that are mostly aimed for children. If Iwata truly wants to regain the core audience back, he would have to be more cooperative with the third-party developers (as well as having similar specs of the competition). Nintendo cannot succeed with first-party games alone, and third-party hand-me-down games will not work this time.

HaNks

#36

HaNks said:

to 1080 or not to 1080, that is the question. i have a feeling it may render closer to 720 and do its own upscaling/wrapping for higher resolutions. having to render everything at 1080p would probably be detrimental to the graphics overall. it takes a ton more power to get things going at 1080...thoughts?

and the experience thing...a lot more important ;D

Smooth27

#38

Smooth27 said:

Im prob not getting one anymore nintendo now has me, a super loyal fan, on a thin hair line of not being on their side. Not tha im a raw power whore but seriously, this is wii all over again, but then again nintendo doesnt really seem to care about leaving their fans and customers satisfied for the remainder of its life cycle. As long as is cheap for everyone to buy it and their pockets fattwn up its all good, who cares if the customers never turn it on again bevause now the other consoles have more power therefore will choose the other 2 nextgen consoles, therefore Wii all over again.
The Wii U seems like the besf idea ever that if the world ended a month later, it would be ok :) but like wii introduced motion controls, guess what happened? Nothing devs cared but wanted power, so nintendo not pleasing the hardcore once again cant back up their great idea and make it last long. Obviously nintwndo doesnt realize why people keep buying ipads, because of the power, and because on what it can do, and the thing is soo expensive but its one of those things that assumably is worth it since people keep buyin new ones every Year for 700 buckz!! So combine gameplay experience and power = nintendos fat pockets and our satisfaction.

Lalivero

#39

Lalivero said:

I'm still all for, the rumor(at least I think it is), that Nintendo purposefully restricting what is known at first, so when Ps4 and Nextbox think they have the upper edge and release their consoles, the Big N could pull out the 'true' power and at least be near par with the competitors. I mean, most likely Nintendo won't be the "most" powerful due to it coming out first, but if they could throw in a few 'tricks' to try to stay in the league of what Sony and MS have out next, they'll be even better off and won't pull a Wii.

Monkeh

#40

Monkeh said:

Nintendo saying this almost makes me think it's true that the Wii-U will be less powerful than the 360/PS3.. which would be a bit shameful IMO.

sc100

#41

sc100 said:

@sdcazares1980

Actually I think the only way Nintendo can survive is if it remains unique from the competition, offering a gaming experience that isn't offered anywhere else. There isn't enough room in the market for another system that just tries to copy what Microsoft and Sony are doing. Nintendo knows that there are always going to be huge corporations like Microsoft and Sony that are willing to enter the video game market and that have the resources to put out powerful systems with all kinds of bells and whistles. If Microsoft and Sony stepped out of the business some other companies would just come in and do the same thing. So Nintendo needs to offer a gaming experience that you can't get on the other systems, which includes not just unique games but also hardware that is unique. Otherwise, there's no reason to purchase a Nintendo system over the competition. I do agree that Nintendo needs to produce a system that is as powerful as it can be without making it too expensive and I think Nintendo will do that with the Wii U just like they've done with all the other systems they've produced besides the Wii. But they still have to be different than the competition.

In regards to the perception that Nintendo's games are kiddie and people pass them up, it's unfortunate that some people have this perception because they're passing up great games. And besides, most of Nintendo's games aren't really that kiddie anyways, games like Metroid, F-Zero and even Zelda. Kirby is probably Nintendo's most "kiddie" series but it's still a blast to play. A great game is great regardless of the art style it has or how much violence is in the game. We see this not just with Nintendo's games but also with games like the Bit.Trip series and Rayman Origins. I'm just hoping more and more people will see this. Thankfully, I think the FPS craze will die down a lot over the next couple years as people get tired of the genre and want to try other gaming experiences, just like what happened with the fighting genre in the 90's.

19Robb92

#42

19Robb92 said:

I agree. I'd rather have a console that focuses on being different rather than a mock-up PC. I do however want them to be able to push 1080p visuals on it in some way.

But if I wanted specs and pretty visuals I'd just upgrade my PC some more.

SmaMan

#43

SmaMan said:

I just hope they'll finally be replacing the Gamecube processor that resides within the Wii now. C'mon, it's been over a decade... time to move on!

Nintendoftw

#44

Nintendoftw said:

Nintendo needs to get out of this mindset before they become another sega. They need to realize they aren't going to get any REAL gamers with hardware that can't even keep up with competition. casual market is taken by the smartphones, so if they try the same idiotic tactic as last gen they will fail.

sdcazares1980

#45

sdcazares1980 said:

@sc100

I would argue the contrary. Had the Wii had the same specs as either the Xbox 360 or the PS3, given that they had the same third party games (Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, etc), then there would be no reason for me to have an Xbox 360 like I do right now. It would make it much easier for me (and I suspect most "core" gamers) to make a decision, and gaming would not be perceived as expensive. The first party games and the VC are the reasons on why I have the Wii, but the third-party games of the Xbox 360/PS3 made me a bit too envious to pass them up.

In terms of the perception of the Nintendo being "kiddie," trust me it's not just "some" people, but A LOT of people. The proof is in the library of games and, to some extent, the sales.

Shining-Void

#46

Shining-Void said:

REAL gamers play ALL games regardless of graphics. At the end of day I still don't think graphics will have much to do with the wii u's success. The 720/PS4 will be more powerful. So nintendo needs to focus more on the finer things : gameplay.

Slapshot

#47

Slapshot said:

@Nintendoftw Nintendo's idiotic tactic with Wii and 3DS is paying off for them really well, so why wouldn't they keep on doing what's working so well for them.

I actually think this comment was a very smart move by Nintendo. The "Wii U graphics capability" rumours and arguments were only going to over-hype and over-shadow the gaming experiences they show-off at this years E3. So many people would have been so entirely focused on the graphical capabilities of the system, that they would've missed the full effect of what's being shown of the games themselves. This in turn in turn would've fueled the quick-shot gaming journalist who thrive on this type of garbage, flooding the gaming media for months — like it already has for the past few.

Nintendo has a great thing going for them and I'm proud that it looks like they're finally sticking to what they've done best for so long now — being Nintendo. If you want cutting edge graphics and high-powered systems, then look to the other consoles or high-end PC's. :)

JaxxRaxor

#48

JaxxRaxor said:

There is no excuse for Nintendo to release a home console that is less powerful than 6-7 year old X-Box 360 and Playstation 3. On the other hand, these developers refuse to reveal themselves so you can't really lend any credibility to them. From what I saw at the last E3 with the tech demos the Wii U is likely to be slightly more powerful than the current gen HD consoles, which will be enough IF Nintendo can convince 3rd parties to work on the console and Nintendo works on having a modern online system. I don't think the gap between the Wii U and Sony and Microsoft's next systems will be as big as the current generation because current top the line computers only look moderately better than the current consoles and the next gen consoles will have to match that in order to stay even fairly affordable. A true big "jump" in graphics would be the point in which video game graphics that look like current pre-rended CGI could be processed in real time, but nothing like that for consumers exist yet.

Dreadjaws

#49

Dreadjaws said:

Hey, if Assassin's Creed III is going to be on the Wii U, we can count on it being AT LEAST as powerful as current ones. No need to worry on that department.

OldBoy

#50

OldBoy said:

Graphics wise I'm fine if Wii U is on par (slightly better) than PS3/360. But power is not just used for graphics. Why do people forget this?
A.I , number of enemies on screen, multi tasking (i.e downloading a game while playing another, messaging and chat etc) ,frame rate and probably other things I can't think of right now. :) Look at something like Total war on the PC to see how ppower can be used for improved gameplay.The sheer amount of troops and action (A.I) on screen would not be possible on current gen consoles.So power can bring new experiences and gameplay.Thus rendering Nintendo's statement a bit silly.
Nintendo said they wanted this console to be for everyone (or 'U' as they like to put it ~groan~). They specifically pushed that aspect at E3. Focusing mainly on - Traditional buttons , amazing graphics and improved online. I'm pretty sure that if it isn't a noticeable graphical upgrade of the current gen then they will fail to tempt the hardcore away from their beloved PS360. I'll buy one just for the Nintendo games but I'm sure I'll still be playing multi format games on my 360 if there is little difference, beside a map on the touch screen, between the two. All my friends are already on there and it's so easy to add more, my account is set up , online is great as is XBLA and I'm not wrapped in cotton wool like I am with Nintendo's online interface.
Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to WiiU but I don't think the 'hardcore' (stupid term ,I know, but you know who I mean.... right?) will be bothered in the slightest. I'm sure it will be relatively successful though as long as Nintendo keep producing the goods and there's half a dozen exclusives worth playing.:)

sc100

#52

sc100 said:

@sdcazares1980

I wasn't disagreeing with you in terms of Nintendo's systems needing to be impressive technically. Like I said, I think Nintendo needs to make their systems as powerful as they can be without them getting too pricey. This is what they did in the past. If the Wii was more powerful, it would have had more third party games and people like you might not have needed to buy other systems to get the third-party games. I was just saying that Nintendo having their system be on par power-wise with what Microsoft and Sony offer isn't enough. They need to stay unique from the competition in what it personally offers, both in terms of hardware and software, in order to stay relevant as there's no need in the marketplace for a third system that just does what Sony and Microsoft do. I don't think Nintendo will be able to stay in the hardware business if they don't offer anything meaningfully different to what Microsoft and Sony offer, even if the systems are the same in capability.

Regarding the "kiddie" issue, I know that a lot of people have that perception of Nintendo, I'm just saying that the games are still fun, great games regardless of how they look and that a lot of their games don't really look that kiddie. I've found that most people that slam Nintendo don't play Nintendo games and if they did they would find that they're fun games.

sdcazares1980

#53

sdcazares1980 said:

@sc100

I agree with you. I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should "compromise" their identity but they need to be flexible, especially in today's times. First party games are it's greatest strength (as I mentioned), so it definitely needs to keep up with that as well. Soul Calibur II, in my opinion, was a third-party game done right with Nintendo against the competition.

It is true that many people who slammed Nintendo have not played any of the Nintendo games, but unfortunately, with the kind of third party games it has, it's difficult to break that "kiddie" perception. This is why I'm arguing that the third-party support is the key for Nintendo. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

Mandoble

#54

Mandoble said:

They are already away from the others in terms of software, if you want to play Marios, then you need Nintendo, but if they stay away from the others in terms of hardware then the chances of being skipped by the third parties would be high. Just imagine they release the current Wii with the new WiiU controller and just enough extra power to handle it. They may say, hey gents get this and feel the new gaming experience, and yep, thousands of Nintendo fans will go and buy that thing saying that this is wonderful and how much they love it, and again, the rest of the world will simply ignore it. Nintendo seems to believe that hardware innovation relies only on how many new gadgets can you attach to the console until you transform it into a toy, obviously pretty different than the rest.

gohanrage

#55

gohanrage said:

I've always been a nintendo fan. NES, SNES N64 Gamecube. All those systems I got really close or on launch day. The wii I just bought before all the Wii that had backwards compatibility were sold out.
Nintendo is being stupid. The system isn't even more powerful then current competing systems. I'm sure the 720 and ps4 will be way powerful compared to their current systems. Maybe Nintendo will go the way of Sega.

gohanrage

#56

gohanrage said:

I'll probably do what I did with Wii wait until the last minute to buy Wii U I pretty much waited until skyward sword was out before buying a Wii

Dodger

#57

Dodger said:

I don't care as long as they don't advertise it as having power like they did at E3. My problem is that the controller doesn't look fun to use.

DarkKirby

#58

DarkKirby said:

Oh Nintendo... no...

While it's true that the game is more important then the graphics, that doesn't change the fact that most developers find it a more profitable endeavor to develop multiplatform games rather then single platform games, and if your system won't have the same multiplatform ability the next Sony and Microsoft system has, the Wii U will end up exactly where the Wii is now.

Sir_Deadly

#59

Sir_Deadly said:

@Nintendoftw haha, everytime i see a comment by you I laugh and ignore it. Your comments, they dont prove anything you say. Oh and i also think "Nintendo Hater"!!!

Kaeobais

#61

Kaeobais said:

I believe that is an excellent philosophy, but it's a little hard to take it seriously when games like "Ninjabread Man" are most prominent on their consoles.

Wolfenstein83

#62

Wolfenstein83 said:

Pretty sure that no matter what, it will be more powerful than the Wii, obviously.
With that out of the way...lets see more games!
Although, with all these rumors of the Wii-U not being a super powered steroid mutant, I can't help but think maybe it's a little bit true that it is slightly underpowered.
Only because of Nintendo stating that the system will play Wii games, but will not be able to upscale them...which I find kind of strange, but then again maybe it's just not that important with everything else considered.
But like Assassin87 said, I am not going to believe anymore rumors until the next E3.
As always, having a super powered machine doesn't automatically translate to awesome gameplay, although I do also enjoy HD consoles and PC gaming, as should everyone, imho.
If it's really that big of a deal, could we blast the console with gamma rays and see what happens?
It works wonders in comic books!

lanabanana

#64

lanabanana said:

PlayStation focuses on the quality of the console. Nintendo focuses on the games. I'm not gonna mention XBOX cuz they dont even have a portable console XD. Anyway, what Nintendo needs to do is focus on the quality as well as on the games. If they do that , they''l have an advantage against PlayStation and XBOX who only focus on the quality...

TromboneGamer

#65

TromboneGamer said:

I believe that the Wii U's success will be based almost entirely on it's ability to compete with the competitors power. This generation will not be based on how it's controls work and apply to the games (it would be quite difficult to appeal to the core gamers this way). I love the 1st party games, but if they want more people to be dedicated tot he system it will need the power to run as many next-gen games as possible or we'll have another Wii situation on our hands. The wii wasn't bad and I loved the care that went into it's best games, but to be honest I want the Wii U to be better than it's predecessor as much as it can be.

skywake

#66

skywake said:

This is nothing more than their tech-specs version of "we do not comment on rumour and speculation". Nothing more.

spzero15

#67

spzero15 said:

Graphics arent everything but i would like to be able to look at the screen and enjoy what i am seeing, wii's graphics suck and im am tired of so many good games only being on the ps3 and 360 and not being ported to the wii. has anyone played call of duty on the wii, the games suck. first party games on wii were good but there was tons of generic shovel ware, for the gamecube that wasnt the case.

cecesigue

#68

cecesigue said:

I love when people say something like "stop making idiotic tactic as last gen, with the wii" hopefully you will work in something not realated to make money, but only a very childish person would say that. you know Nintendo is a businnes, right? if selling more than the competition is "idiotic" then they will do it... duh! More like people need to realize there is no way back after the Wii; if you dont like it, they wont miss you.

U-G-Predator

#69

U-G-Predator said:

I think your concern now is how much can we get "money" and not loss any !!!
and after 7 years of waiting you give us the f word !!! shame on you !!

BulbasaurusRex

#70

BulbasaurusRex said:

I don't care much about graphical capabilities, but I am worried about processing power in order to ensure 3rd party multisystem releases don't skip the Wii U like how so many skipped the Wii this generation..

Jono97

#71

Jono97 said:

It worked for the WII, but I doubt it's going to work for the WII U. There's nothing new and "magical" about the Wii U...

Nintendoftw

#72

Nintendoftw said:

@Slapshot The 3DS is keeping up with the competition... The PSVita isn't light years ahead like the wii and the ps3. The 3DS tactic is COMPLETELY different from the Wii's

retro_player_22

#73

retro_player_22 said:

@SuperNictendo It will be at current gen, didn't you see the Zelda HD demo. That's a Zelda HD in its finest, it's just that Nintendo won't go all out with just graphics improvements for its games.

Ichiban

#74

Ichiban said:

It it too much for the last standing video game company to create a powerful gaming console?! Its true that it is about the experience, but I thought you were trying to win the 'hardcore' back? Instead they're spouting out the same sort of talk from when the Wii launched. I want a kick butt Nintendo system, thats all (eg SNES, N64)
Nintendo could own the gaming world if they really wanted to from casual to hardcore. Cmon Nintendo you can do it!

Geonjaha

#76

Geonjaha said:

I'm with Metal_Slugger on this one. ;D
Graphics arent everything, but seriously if it isnt as powerful as the current gen consoles Nintendo are just too behind. They're 7 years old! Come on!

SanFrisco9er

#77

SanFrisco9er said:

This is basically a slap to de face to whom it may concern, if you know what I mean.

Who would have known announomys(can't spell this wors for s***) dev's would be legit.

But it's not all bad news it might actually have enough power to out RAM the XBOX:OG as some of us say, right? :D

JimLad

#78

JimLad said:

I'll take that as a confirmation of it not being super powerful.
I didn't have my hopes up anyway, they were never gonna outgun Sony and Microsoft.
If it can play HD games, that's enough for me. I don't see graphics getting much better anyway.

_toadee

#80

_toadee said:

Third parties are praising the Wii U, and a lot of well know third party games are coming to the Wii U such as Assassins Creed 3 and Batman Arkam City. Even if the graphics aren't as good as we would like them to be, remember that at the end of the day its all about the games, not the specs :D

Nintendoftw

#81

Nintendoftw said:

@_toadee Without specs Wii U games will look like PS3 games... WHy buy a Wii U when I have a PS3...? Nintendo exclusives aren't enough for someone to throw 350$ away..

MeloMan

#83

MeloMan said:

Ah yes... the specs of a console... a debate as old as gaming consoles themselves. The only comment I will say is that if Nintendo blurbed the words of "learning from past mistakes", then surely, taking console power for granted has to have at least "once" crossed their minds. Nintendo would be stupid, and I don't use that word lightly, to simply "match" today's consoles if they want to consider themselves forward thinkers... motion controls gave them a bye for the Wii, but that's not going to fly with the wiser public this time. Long story short, the Wii U needs to be AT LEAST 1.5x the power of the PS360 AND the applications AND the games need to be up to snuff.

theblackdragonAdmin

#84

theblackdragon said:

we can have this discussion without getting personal. questioning why a given user is here at Nintendo Life just because they're not wholly on-board with whatever Nintendo's up to at the moment is not kosher. believe me, if we didn't want them here, they would be banned already. if that kind of petty bickering is all you have to add to the discussion, please do us all a favor and move on. thank you! :3

if you truly do not like the idea that we allow people to discuss anti-Nintendo sentiments here at Nintendo Life, we invite you to get in touch with us personally so that we can explain. :3

x-mas_mii

#85

x-mas_mii said:

graphics: eye candy
controller: sounds interesting
power: needed
price: 250$-325$
my opinion

DrDaisy

#86

DrDaisy said:

I'm personally disappointed with the Wii's third-party catalog, which I believe would have been a lot better if it had power comparable to XBox 360 and PS3. Since Mario got his ear-assaulting trademark voice in Super Mario 64, I've pretty much avoided most of the Mario games so those don't attract me to a system anymore. Sure, I've gotten a few like Mario Kart 64, Mario Tennis on N64 (which I think I tried to give away), Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy (which I regret buying already), and the latter Super Smash Bros games, but I need blood, violence, and a little bit of fowl language, not horrible voices and Jr characters.

NINTENBOY

#87

NINTENBOY said:

Look plan and simple it needs to be atleast just a little bit more powerful then the PS3 and 360 ok if you wanna keep the hardcore crowd this time around AND pay back your devoted fans for stinking with you during the Wii (GOD knows it wasn't easy some days for me). A great online and great games is just as important as power though.

Mandoble

#88

Mandoble said:

I think Wii third party poor catalog is not only related to the poor performace of the Wii, but to the marketing target of the Wii, which were the "non-players". Many third parties were creating tons of shovelware for that public and then supporting with these sales the development of their main IPs for the other platforms. If third parties conclude that a Wii Party game types will sell much better than anything else for that platform, then they will invest their time and money on that type of games independently of the power of the console.

drunkenmaster76

#89

drunkenmaster76 said:

IMO If the Wii U is current gen with one of nintendos new innovations (which will be copied by sony and microsoft in some way) and a new metroid, eartbound or mario that will be good enough for me and dont see a need for the next gen ps4's, and xbox 720's who needs another game where you run about shooting people but with better graphics? not me

danschemen

#90

danschemen said:

i don't believe graphics are everything but damn it if they stay behind graphics wise for much longer non nintendo gamers won't be interested in buying it at all.

hydeks

#91

hydeks said:

Yay, I was interested in picking up a Wii U but now hearing that Nintendo hasn't really learned it's lesson from the Wii, I think I'll be waiting for the announcement of PlayStation 4.

Sorry to say, Nintendo, but graphics mean ALOT, especially since this is suppost to be a new, high tech system coming out and so far we keep hearing it's as powerful, if not quite, as powerful as PS3?!? A system that came out like 6 years ago?!?! COME ON NINTENDO!! Are you TRYING to kill yourselves off or what?!?!? Smarten the hell up Nintendo, release a POWERFUL system with a NORMAL controller, that's how u'll get people to care about Nintendo again.

ianmage1

#93

ianmage1 said:

While I agree that the experience of playing is most important, they still need to make an effort to give the system some powerful graphics. Nintendo will always be behind in the graphics department if they don't make a move! D':

DrDaisy

#95

DrDaisy said:

If it's true that the Wii-U is less powerful than PS3 & XBox 360 and no developer can publicly tell the truth about it without risking backlash from Nintendo, then there's also Nintendo's honesty to be concerned about. I don't trust companies that rely on lying to their consumers. If these "anonymous" developers are just blowing smoke, then it might come back to bite them if they're ever found out.
I'll get a Wii-U if I can afford one and it's good enough. Otherwise, I'll pass. I'm not letting my Nintendo fanaticism dictate my purchases.

ares

#98

ares said:

First wii u is a stupid name, 2nnd POWER DOES MATTER! Why wont nintendo compete. 3rd, shoulda stuck with nunchucks, new controller clunky, a step backwards.

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