The problem with ARMS is that it was advertised as a competitive fighting game when it had little to no depth. It was never going to take off as an esport because of it, not to mention it's very boring as a spectator game. As well as preparing consoles and copies for competitive play is a pain since you have to unlock every single ARM gear.
I can see this game lasting longer than ARMS since it just seems to be a casual basketball game, nothing more nothing less. Though if the double joycon controls are forced I can see it being a deal breaker for some people.
I think it'll sell well regardless, but it obviously won't sell as well as 8 DX. To most people it was a new game so all the ports from the wii U were welcome, not to mention having a mario kart on a portable console was also a huge selling point.
Another thing is that the Switch 1's user base is insanely huge, the Switch 2 probably won't live up to it.
So, real talk for a moment: who actually uses built in console chat features instead of...I dunno....Discord?
I have friends who play playstation while I'm on PC and they use discord on their console. It makes it convenient for them to be able to VC all on one device instead of having hook up a 3rd party one (another reason why the switch's voice chat is garbage).
While yes this is anecdotal I'm 110% confident a good amount of people use their console VC and prefer over an app like with nintendo, since ya know you're actually provided with basic features like messaging, parties, and native voice chat.
I'm also counting discord on the console because it's part of it and you're still using the console to communicate.
Nintendo needs to take a page off of their book, cause it's really sad how they're still a decade or more behind when it comes to online.
Yeah it's pathetic how the switch after 8 years still has less communication features than last gen systems including that of the Wii U and 3DS.
I don't know what they were thinking when they made the app and unironically expected people to use it. What's even more confusing is that the switch is apparently capable of native voice chat but it has to be enabled by the developers of the game... every time.
So from what I saw from the trailer (and the deleted comments), the game is still going to be censored, which is unfortunate but not a deal breaker for me since from my knowledge it's just for costumes.
Isn't it a couple decades too late for this conversation? I'm sure if the series kept going it could've been a contender but now of all times to bring up years after it's dead?
"so long as the launch price isn't some egregious amount"
He already addressed that in the other part of his statement so his point still stands.
And if I'm being honest, I agree, what's really going to dictate the momentum of the launch sales are going to be the presence of heavy hitters in terms of launch games. $100 or even $150 won't mean that much to dedicated fans if there are games to be had.
The original switch was very reasonable priced for a new console and Botw alone carried the first half of it's sales.
And if speculation is correct about Mario Kart 9 launching with the Switch 2, then it should be a pretty solid launch, probably not as strong as base Switch but better than most consoles.
Doesn't look that much different from Mario Kart 8DX if I'm being honest.
Then again there will probably be more technically impressive looking reveals in the Switch 2 direct so it's not that big of a deal.
Half of the placements on this list make absolutely no sense.
Hollow Knight is a critically acclaimed game but why should a port a year after it's initial release be included, especially since it isn't wasn't nearly as big as some 1st party releases.
Witcher 3 is another port that fell into obscurity, it just feels like you added it here because it was an impressive technical achievement at the time. Even Skyrim would've made more sense as a placement.
Hades again another critical acclaimed indie but how did this define the Switch genre? How is the port of a game that release late on the switch generation defining for it?
Fortnite defined the switch genre when it's probably the least played version of it and the worst one by far?
I guess you have a point about the rise of Free to Play games but it feels more of a argument of general gaming and less so the switch which again, is what this list is about.
If I were to rank the list and make it actually make sense here is how I would rank it in no particular order.
Botw - this game alone decided the future of the switch launch to the point where sold more copies than switches at the time via preorders.
Animal Crossing - One of the best games for the covid era, it's release was perfect for it.
Pokemon Scarlet and violet - A new gen pokemon game on the switch speaks for itself.
Mario Kart 8dx - Mario kart on switch. best selling game to this day, so popular they added dlc for it and it's over a decade old.
Mario Odyssey - A Mario game that people didn't know they needed. It also inspired many other platformers after it.
Smash Bros Ultimate - you could dedicate multiple articles to the era of ultimate alone which I'm pretty sure you did.
The dlc hype alone was a event in itself.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - This game alone paved the future of the series to become a mainstay. After 2 we got a remake of 1, sequel, multiple DLC's and now we're getting a port of X thanks for the success of it.
Splatoon 2 - A big part of the multiplayer era of nintendo and a release that also made it a mainstay and to become one of nintendo's most profitable IPs.
You could replace Splatoon 2 with Fire Emblem Three Houses as well and it still make sense.
I'm sorry but thinking nintendo isn't going to be drip feeding their content at this point is delusion considering they've literally been doing it every time shown with their virtual console.
I have no reason to use this app over to the alternative of listening to all the OSTs for free on youtube or other sites than the alternative of praying the series I want gets added... someday. And with such a lackluster launch library this was not worth taking down all the thousands of tracks other channels ripped for free in high quality and actually giving credit to the artists. Yeah thanks but no thanks Nintendo I'll just stick to YT music for when I want to listen to your OSTs. It may not be free but its actually worth my money seeing as how it gives me access to all your tracks and more.
After the gamecube era that was most definitely true, but beforehand Nintendo was certainly trying to compete. Just look at the Sega Genesis and SNES days.
At this point I'm just going to wait for more information to come out, specifically about the specific patents being infringed upon. No use arguing about something I know little about.
If the upgrade was minimal at best I wouldn't buy it for that price, it would feel too much like a rip off. There has to be a significant enough spec increase for me to warrant purchasing a 'Switch 2', as well as a game to reel me in. I first bought my switch for xenoblade 2 and the rest of the games releasing for it kept me invested.
I don't have any problem waiting for the switch 2 to build up it's library when it releases or even a price cut, I mostly game on PC now.
Not going to lie these designs seem a bit uninspired, and definitely not worth $70, there is a ton of fanmade merch that would easily have more effort put into it.
And as mentioned above, the merch is almost always gen 1 which gets really repetitive.
"technical reasons" sounds like such an excuse, we know the real reason
This take is pure delusion, the game struggles to run on devices mutliple times stronger than the switch. It's time to admit that it's hardware is pretty out of date.
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Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
Any amount of money spent on a glorified tech demo isn't worth a single cent.
Nintendo is being really greedy with right with all of these bs prices.
Re: Hands On: 'Drag x Drive' Is Fantastic, But Is It Destined To Be Switch 2's ARMS?
The problem with ARMS is that it was advertised as a competitive fighting game when it had little to no depth. It was never going to take off as an esport because of it, not to mention it's very boring as a spectator game.
As well as preparing consoles and copies for competitive play is a pain since you have to unlock every single ARM gear.
I can see this game lasting longer than ARMS since it just seems to be a casual basketball game, nothing more nothing less.
Though if the double joycon controls are forced I can see it being a deal breaker for some people.
Re: Talking Point: Which Switch Game Needs A 'Nintendo Switch 2 Edition' The Most?
Every pokemon games desperately needs one lol.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Duo Unsure Mario Kart 9 Will Be An Instant "Slam Dunk" For Switch 2
I think it'll sell well regardless, but it obviously won't sell as well as 8 DX. To most people it was a new game so all the ports from the wii U were welcome, not to mention having a mario kart on a portable console was also a huge selling point.
Another thing is that the Switch 1's user base is insanely huge, the Switch 2 probably won't live up to it.
Re: Nintendo Direct Confirmed For Tomorrow, 27th March 2025
Of course Nintendo shadow drops this.
Why am I even surprised.
Re: Feature: "If The Game Does Not Sell Well, We May Be Done" - It's Do Or Die For Too Kyo Games & 'The Hundred Line'
Gulit tripping has never saved any game.
Re: Best Xenoblade Chronicles Games Of All Time
Was about to type a whole essay criticizing the ranking of the dlc then I realized I confused future redeemed and connected lmao.
Re: PSA: Don't Be Fooled, This Blatant Rip-Off Isn't The 'Content Warning' You Want On Switch
...Why so many removed comments?
Re: Classic Super Mario Soundtrack Joins Nintendo's Music App For MAR10 Day
Forgot this app existed honestly, it's drip feeding hasn't been doign it any favors.
Re: New Nintendo Patent Hints At Improved Voice Chat On Switch 2
Haruki_NLI wrote:
I have friends who play playstation while I'm on PC and they use discord on their console. It makes it convenient for them to be able to VC all on one device instead of having hook up a 3rd party one (another reason why the switch's voice chat is garbage).
While yes this is anecdotal I'm 110% confident a good amount of people use their console VC and prefer over an app like with nintendo, since ya know you're actually provided with basic features like messaging, parties, and native voice chat.
I'm also counting discord on the console because it's part of it and you're still using the console to communicate.
Nintendo needs to take a page off of their book, cause it's really sad how they're still a decade or more behind when it comes to online.
Re: New Nintendo Patent Hints At Improved Voice Chat On Switch 2
Yeah it's pathetic how the switch after 8 years still has less communication features than last gen systems including that of the Wii U and 3DS.
I don't know what they were thinking when they made the app and unironically expected people to use it. What's even more confusing is that the switch is apparently capable of native voice chat but it has to be enabled by the developers of the game... every time.
Re: Monolith Soft Adds Final Fantasy Cutscene Artist To Its Ranks, So What's It Cooking For Switch 2?
I just hope that XC3 has a consistent art direction.
They nailed it with 3.
Re: Was That Pokémon Legends: Z-A Footage Running On Switch 2? Digital Foundry Weighs In
From how bad it looked I don't get how people would unironically claim this.
I guess standards for pokemon fans have dropped this low.
Re: Analyst Fears U.S. Tariffs Could Spell Disaster For Physical Games
I'm genuinely surprised that the comments haven't been disabled yet.
Re: Feature: These Past 8 Years Have Been A Privilege
The Switch definitely is another golden age for Nintendo.
But as for the other platforms I'm a bit disappointed by them compared to last generation, maybe it's just me.
Re: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Trailer Confirms Starters And Mega Evolutions, Coming Late 2025
AndreyBoarao wrote:
It had to step down due to allegations against it.
Re: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Trailer Confirms Starters And Mega Evolutions, Coming Late 2025
The framerate looked really rough and the battle system seemed really clunky.
This wasn't a flattering 1st look in my opinion.
Re: New Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Edition Trailer Is Our Best Look Yet At The Upcoming Remaster
So from what I saw from the trailer (and the deleted comments), the game is still going to be censored, which is unfortunate but not a deal breaker for me since from my knowledge it's just for costumes.
I just hope it runs well on the switch.
Re: The Pokémon Company Catches A Win In Lawsuit Against Another Rip-Off App
Nice bootlicking lmao.
Re: Pokémon Presents Announced For 27th February 2025
Welp guess I have to wait a couple more months for a direct I actually care about.
Re: Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Adds Characters From "SEGA Universes"
Removed
Re: Japan's Switch eShop Will Soon No Longer Accept Overseas Payment Methods
Well this sucks.
Re: Banjo-Kazooie Has The Potential To "Rival 3D Mario", Says Ori Dev
Isn't it a couple decades too late for this conversation?
I'm sure if the series kept going it could've been a contender but now of all times to bring up years after it's dead?
Re: Analyst States That Switch 2's Price Won't "Really Matter" For Early Adopters
PikminMarioKirby wrote:
He already addressed that in the other part of his statement so his point still stands.
And if I'm being honest, I agree, what's really going to dictate the momentum of the launch sales are going to be the presence of heavy hitters in terms of launch games. $100 or even $150 won't mean that much to dedicated fans if there are games to be had.
The original switch was very reasonable priced for a new console and Botw alone carried the first half of it's sales.
And if speculation is correct about Mario Kart 9 launching with the Switch 2, then it should be a pretty solid launch, probably not as strong as base Switch but better than most consoles.
Re: Nintendo Believes In "Giving Proper Credit" After Backlash Over Donkey Kong Country Returns HD
Pretty nothing statement that didn't directly address anything.
Re: Switch 2 Supply Chain Figures Reportedly Revealed Ahead Of 2025 Launch
I don't plan to buy a Switch 2 anytime soon unless it has a game I really want to play.
I also agree with the comments above, scalpers are going to be the main issue when it comes to getting a hold of the console in the first place.
Re: Random: Switch 2 Leakers Called Out By Industry Veteran Hideki Kamiya
What a manchild lol.
Re: Nintendo Will Hold A Switch 2 Direct Presentation In April
Yeah this is going to be a long 3 months...
Re: Nintendo Is "Very Upset" About The Switch 2 Leaks, It's Claimed
Worst kept secret in gaming.
Re: Switch 2 Will Be Backwards Compatible With Physical And Digital Games, With Some Exceptions
I would've been surprised if the system wasn't backwards compatible to be honest, but I'm glad nonetheless.
Re: Poll: So, What Did You Think Of The Switch 2 Reveal?
Best thing about the direct is that the Switch 2 speculation and rumour discussions are finally over.
Re: Joy-Con Mouse Functionality Seemingly Confirmed In Switch 2 Trailer
Can't wait for it to start drifting after a few months
Re: New Mario Kart 9 Teased For Switch 2
Doesn't look that much different from Mario Kart 8DX if I'm being honest.
Then again there will probably be more technically impressive looking reveals in the Switch 2 direct so it's not that big of a deal.
Re: Feature: 8 Games That Defined The Switch Generation
Half of the placements on this list make absolutely no sense.
Hollow Knight is a critically acclaimed game but why should a port a year after it's initial release be included, especially since it isn't wasn't nearly as big as some 1st party releases.
Witcher 3 is another port that fell into obscurity, it just feels like you added it here because it was an impressive technical achievement at the time. Even Skyrim would've made more sense as a placement.
Hades again another critical acclaimed indie but how did this define the Switch genre? How is the port of a game that release late on the switch generation defining for it?
Fortnite defined the switch genre when it's probably the least played version of it and the worst one by far?
I guess you have a point about the rise of Free to Play games but it feels more of a argument of general gaming and less so the switch which again, is what this list is about.
If I were to rank the list and make it actually make sense here is how I would rank it in no particular order.
Botw - this game alone decided the future of the switch launch to the point where sold more copies than switches at the time via preorders.
Animal Crossing - One of the best games for the covid era, it's release was perfect for it.
Pokemon Scarlet and violet - A new gen pokemon game on the switch speaks for itself.
Mario Kart 8dx - Mario kart on switch. best selling game to this day, so popular they added dlc for it and it's over a decade old.
Mario Odyssey - A Mario game that people didn't know they needed. It also inspired many other platformers after it.
Smash Bros Ultimate - you could dedicate multiple articles to the era of ultimate alone which I'm pretty sure you did.
The dlc hype alone was a event in itself.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - This game alone paved the future of the series to become a mainstay. After 2 we got a remake of 1, sequel, multiple DLC's and now we're getting a port of X thanks for the success of it.
Splatoon 2 - A big part of the multiplayer era of nintendo and a release that also made it a mainstay and to become one of nintendo's most profitable IPs.
You could replace Splatoon 2 with Fire Emblem Three Houses as well and it still make sense.
Re: Bayonetta Veteran Confirms PlatinumGames Departure
Guess we're not going to get a Bayonetta 4 anytime soon if at all.
Honestly the future of the company is looking bleak.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (4th January)
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor Overclocked on the 3DS, honestly one of the best RPGs I played, I understand why people call this game peak Megaten.
Re: New Patent Seemingly Confirms Nvidia 4K AI Upscaling For Switch 2
Yeah slow down let's focus on getting stable 60fps games first lol.
Re: Video: Here's The Official Mega Man Trailer For Amazon's 'Secret Level' Series
Capcom doing everything but making a new Megaman game lmao.
Re: Nintendo Music Will Add More Tracks Over Time, Here's What's Been Revealed So Far
I'm sorry but thinking nintendo isn't going to be drip feeding their content at this point is delusion considering they've literally been doing it every time shown with their virtual console.
I have no reason to use this app over to the alternative of listening to all the OSTs for free on youtube or other sites than the alternative of praying the series I want gets added... someday.
And with such a lackluster launch library this was not worth taking down all the thousands of tracks other channels ripped for free in high quality and actually giving credit to the artists.
Yeah thanks but no thanks Nintendo I'll just stick to YT music for when I want to listen to your OSTs. It may not be free but its actually worth my money seeing as how it gives me access to all your tracks and more.
Re: Forget The Console Wars, Miyamoto Says Nintendo Has Always Followed Its Own Path
After the gamecube era that was most definitely true, but beforehand Nintendo was certainly trying to compete.
Just look at the Sega Genesis and SNES days.
Re: Get A Closer Look At Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake In New Gameplay Trailer
God the wait for this game is so painful.
Re: Palworld's Japan Release On PS5 Delayed As Nintendo's Lawsuit Looms
TheExile285 wrote:
You know damn well this website is going to milk this topic dry lmao.
Re: Rumour: Supposed 'Switch 2' Design Photos And Specs Surface Online
I'm tired of all these Switch 2 leaks and just want it to end at this point.
Re: PowerWash Simulator's New Paid DLC Will Let You Scrub Shrek's Swamp Next Month
Well that was a sentence I wasn't expecting to read.
Re: Palworld Developer Responds To Nintendo Lawsuit
At this point I'm just going to wait for more information to come out, specifically about the specific patents being infringed upon.
No use arguing about something I know little about.
Re: Devolver Digital Confirms The Plucky Squire Won't Run At 60 FPS On Switch
At this point it's to be expected, doesn't make it any less disappointing though.
Re: Talking Point: Would $499 Be Too Much For 'Switch 2'?
If the upgrade was minimal at best I wouldn't buy it for that price, it would feel too much like a rip off.
There has to be a significant enough spec increase for me to warrant purchasing a 'Switch 2', as well as a game to reel me in.
I first bought my switch for xenoblade 2 and the rest of the games releasing for it kept me invested.
I don't have any problem waiting for the switch 2 to build up it's library when it releases or even a price cut, I mostly game on PC now.
Re: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake New Story Segments Will Focus On Your Father
This is already looking like the definitive edition and that makes me happy.
I really hope they bring back the pachisi board.
Re: Crocs And Pokémon Are Teaming Up Again With Four New Designs
Not going to lie these designs seem a bit uninspired, and definitely not worth $70, there is a ton of fanmade merch that would easily have more effort put into it.
And as mentioned above, the merch is almost always gen 1 which gets really repetitive.
Hard pass from me.
Re: Palworld Boss Says A Switch Release Could Be "Hard" Due To Technical Reasons
Kirbyo wrote:
This take is pure delusion, the game struggles to run on devices mutliple times stronger than the switch.
It's time to admit that it's hardware is pretty out of date.