Half of the placements on this list make absolutely no sense.
Hollow Knight is a critically acclaimed game but why should a port a year after it's initial release be included, especially since it isn't wasn't nearly as big as some 1st party releases.
Witcher 3 is another port that fell into obscurity, it just feels like you added it here because it was an impressive technical achievement at the time. Even Skyrim would've made more sense as a placement.
Hades again another critical acclaimed indie but how did this define the Switch genre? How is the port of a game that release late on the switch generation defining for it?
Fortnite defined the switch genre when it's probably the least played version of it and the worst one by far?
I guess you have a point about the rise of Free to Play games but it feels more of a argument of general gaming and less so the switch which again, is what this list is about.
If I were to rank the list and make it actually make sense here is how I would rank it in no particular order.
Botw - this game alone decided the future of the switch launch to the point where sold more copies than switches at the time via preorders.
Animal Crossing - One of the best games for the covid era, it's release was perfect for it.
Pokemon Scarlet and violet - A new gen pokemon game on the switch speaks for itself.
Mario Kart 8dx - Mario kart on switch. best selling game to this day, so popular they added dlc for it and it's over a decade old.
Mario Odyssey - A Mario game that people didn't know they needed. It also inspired many other platformers after it.
Smash Bros Ultimate - you could dedicate multiple articles to the era of ultimate alone which I'm pretty sure you did.
The dlc hype alone was a event in itself.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - This game alone paved the future of the series to become a mainstay. After 2 we got a remake of 1, sequel, multiple DLC's and now we're getting a port of X thanks for the success of it.
Splatoon 2 - A big part of the multiplayer era of nintendo and a release that also made it a mainstay and to become one of nintendo's most profitable IPs.
You could replace Splatoon 2 with Fire Emblem Three Houses as well and it still make sense.
I'm sorry but thinking nintendo isn't going to be drip feeding their content at this point is delusion considering they've literally been doing it every time shown with their virtual console.
I have no reason to use this app over to the alternative of listening to all the OSTs for free on youtube or other sites than the alternative of praying the series I want gets added... someday. And with such a lackluster launch library this was not worth taking down all the thousands of tracks other channels ripped for free in high quality and actually giving credit to the artists. Yeah thanks but no thanks Nintendo I'll just stick to YT music for when I want to listen to your OSTs. It may not be free but its actually worth my money seeing as how it gives me access to all your tracks and more.
After the gamecube era that was most definitely true, but beforehand Nintendo was certainly trying to compete. Just look at the Sega Genesis and SNES days.
At this point I'm just going to wait for more information to come out, specifically about the specific patents being infringed upon. No use arguing about something I know little about.
If the upgrade was minimal at best I wouldn't buy it for that price, it would feel too much like a rip off. There has to be a significant enough spec increase for me to warrant purchasing a 'Switch 2', as well as a game to reel me in. I first bought my switch for xenoblade 2 and the rest of the games releasing for it kept me invested.
I don't have any problem waiting for the switch 2 to build up it's library when it releases or even a price cut, I mostly game on PC now.
Not going to lie these designs seem a bit uninspired, and definitely not worth $70, there is a ton of fanmade merch that would easily have more effort put into it.
And as mentioned above, the merch is almost always gen 1 which gets really repetitive.
"technical reasons" sounds like such an excuse, we know the real reason
This take is pure delusion, the game struggles to run on devices mutliple times stronger than the switch. It's time to admit that it's hardware is pretty out of date.
DQ3 is one of the most influential games of all time easily, especially within the JRPG scene, it paves the path for the standard for RPGs even for games you wouldn't expect (Dark Souls is notable example).
I'm glad that Square is reminding us that they haven't given up on this remake along with DQXII.
If the speculation is correct and they're remaking the whole Erdrick trilogy instead of just 3, then that would explain why we've been waiting so long. It would make sense given how long we've been waiting since the initial reveal, not to mention Square Enix teased on twitter "The Legend of Erdrick draws near" with the symbol or Erdrick and didn't specify a numbered entry.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it's just 3 as long as they include the additional content from the remakes like the pachisi board and extra postgame dungeons, I just want there to finally be a definitive way to play the trilogy, the mobile/switch remakes are inexcusable and lazily made. If you want a better way to experience the trilogy, skip the mobile/switch versions and instead emulate either the super famicom fan translation of 3 or the GBC version.
I'm not trying to judge how sakurai stores his games but I couldn't help wincing seeing them outside of their cases. The boxes are an important part for me, they're a big part of the charm of video games as a whole.
Only fanboys will defend this, the dismissal of this lawsuit is a loss for the consumer letting Nintendo know that they don't have to strive for quality hardware and can get away with it. People seem to forget that we only got free joycon repairs (At least in the US) because of the lawsuit.
I won't be surprised if this issue is also present in the 'Switch 2'.
If the people actually wanted to play the game they would've downloaded the fan-translation instead of begging for a localization all these years.
Nintendo fans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Why does everyone assume the next console is Switch 2? It could be something else entirely.
It could, but considering how massive of a success the Switch has been, it's incredibly unlikely and would honestly be foolish on Nintendo's part to do so.
You don't ow anyone anything as a fan, no one is obligated to play every single entry in a series they like nor are they obligated to own every single piece of hardware made by a company they buy from.
For a game that somehow required an extra ten bucks despite a load of recycled assets, you think they would have been able to spend proper development time patching all these holes pre-launch. Don't get me wrong, I've exploited them, but have never seen a Nintendo game this open to it
Ah yes a game isn't allowed to have a single glitch or exploit or else it's rushed and unfinished.
I was kinda of expecting more for the 20th anniversary, a simple poll and merch (via the website) doesn't seem so special.
Hopefully theres more interesting things down the line as they said but as of now the 20th anniversary for one of my favorite series is off to a pretty underwhelming start.
@Astral-Grain It quite literally isn't subjective as you can actually go out of your way to measure the framerate of the games yourselves, digital foundry and a multitude of other youtube channels do it themselves.
People like @Dazman can pretend to not notice it but that doesn't change the fact that the issue is still present.
What is subjective is how "playable" it is as you mentioned it.
In the anecdotal example you gave me you could just argue that your ability to play the game wasn't hindered that much if at all was because that the framerate issues for TOTK aren't nearly nearly as bad compared to Scarlet/Violet and even to an extent DQM3's. For this entry the framerate issues are plain as day especially in the open world areas.
Look I don't mean to come off as snarky or condescending, I just don't know how else to word this; but I think this is just due to you and a lot of other switch players having much lower standards than the average person, because only on a nintendo forumn would this ever be a discussion about how good a games framerate needs to be and other people justifying it.
I played my fair share of games too with framerate issues and still very much enjoyed them (SMT V, MH Stories 2, XC2), but I would be lying to say that I was disappointed by those aspects in the games and would be delusional to say I didn't derserve better as a consumer.
I play in handheld and it works fine. Probably you're playing it docked?
It has frame drops for both docked and handheld mode, you either don't notice it (though I don't see how considering how prevelant it is) or are just used to it.
Also why is "I didn't experience it msyelf therefore it doesn't exist" such a common defense on this site?
You aren't the only person in the world and this has no substance so you just make yourself look like a shill.
There are multiple people here that pointed it out, even on the review on this site and there are performance reviews you can look on youtube.
The framerate is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.
So the dlc of a rushed game that runs like garbage also runs equally as bad if not worse? No surprise there.
But then again pokemon fans defended the main game so I shouldn't be surprised.
This makes me even more glad I dropped pokemon years ago as a franchise.
I feel like Banjo only won first place due to nostalgia and not the actual quality of the trailer. Sure it was funny but it was just a continuation off of K Rool's trailer and they just threw a jiggy and you immediately knew who it was.
Sephiroths trailer had way more effort put into it and got me excited despite me never touching a Final Fantasy game. Seeing Galeem casually being obliterated then hearing Sephiroths music cue in with him appearing is amazing and theres nothing like it. Theres also the brilliant blend of CGI and in game shots mixed in well together that also do a ton of subtle yet brilliant references to the game and Advant children movie.
While Banjo was a good addition, his trailer was boring and sadly his gameplay also shows it, Sephiroth easily has the best trailer in smash history.
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Re: Feature: 8 Games That Defined The Switch Generation
Half of the placements on this list make absolutely no sense.
Hollow Knight is a critically acclaimed game but why should a port a year after it's initial release be included, especially since it isn't wasn't nearly as big as some 1st party releases.
Witcher 3 is another port that fell into obscurity, it just feels like you added it here because it was an impressive technical achievement at the time. Even Skyrim would've made more sense as a placement.
Hades again another critical acclaimed indie but how did this define the Switch genre? How is the port of a game that release late on the switch generation defining for it?
Fortnite defined the switch genre when it's probably the least played version of it and the worst one by far?
I guess you have a point about the rise of Free to Play games but it feels more of a argument of general gaming and less so the switch which again, is what this list is about.
If I were to rank the list and make it actually make sense here is how I would rank it in no particular order.
Botw - this game alone decided the future of the switch launch to the point where sold more copies than switches at the time via preorders.
Animal Crossing - One of the best games for the covid era, it's release was perfect for it.
Pokemon Scarlet and violet - A new gen pokemon game on the switch speaks for itself.
Mario Kart 8dx - Mario kart on switch. best selling game to this day, so popular they added dlc for it and it's over a decade old.
Mario Odyssey - A Mario game that people didn't know they needed. It also inspired many other platformers after it.
Smash Bros Ultimate - you could dedicate multiple articles to the era of ultimate alone which I'm pretty sure you did.
The dlc hype alone was a event in itself.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - This game alone paved the future of the series to become a mainstay. After 2 we got a remake of 1, sequel, multiple DLC's and now we're getting a port of X thanks for the success of it.
Splatoon 2 - A big part of the multiplayer era of nintendo and a release that also made it a mainstay and to become one of nintendo's most profitable IPs.
You could replace Splatoon 2 with Fire Emblem Three Houses as well and it still make sense.
Re: Bayonetta Veteran Confirms PlatinumGames Departure
Guess we're not going to get a Bayonetta 4 anytime soon if at all.
Honestly the future of the company is looking bleak.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (4th January)
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor Overclocked on the 3DS, honestly one of the best RPGs I played, I understand why people call this game peak Megaten.
Re: New Patent Seemingly Confirms Nvidia 4K AI Upscaling For Switch 2
Yeah slow down let's focus on getting stable 60fps games first lol.
Re: Video: Here's The Official Mega Man Trailer For Amazon's 'Secret Level' Series
Capcom doing everything but making a new Megaman game lmao.
Re: Nintendo Music Will Add More Tracks Over Time, Here's What's Been Revealed So Far
I'm sorry but thinking nintendo isn't going to be drip feeding their content at this point is delusion considering they've literally been doing it every time shown with their virtual console.
I have no reason to use this app over to the alternative of listening to all the OSTs for free on youtube or other sites than the alternative of praying the series I want gets added... someday.
And with such a lackluster launch library this was not worth taking down all the thousands of tracks other channels ripped for free in high quality and actually giving credit to the artists.
Yeah thanks but no thanks Nintendo I'll just stick to YT music for when I want to listen to your OSTs. It may not be free but its actually worth my money seeing as how it gives me access to all your tracks and more.
Re: Forget The Console Wars, Miyamoto Says Nintendo Has Always Followed Its Own Path
After the gamecube era that was most definitely true, but beforehand Nintendo was certainly trying to compete.
Just look at the Sega Genesis and SNES days.
Re: Get A Closer Look At Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake In New Gameplay Trailer
God the wait for this game is so painful.
Re: Palworld's Japan Release On PS5 Delayed As Nintendo's Lawsuit Looms
TheExile285 wrote:
You know damn well this website is going to milk this topic dry lmao.
Re: Rumour: Supposed 'Switch 2' Design Photos And Specs Surface Online
I'm tired of all these Switch 2 leaks and just want it to end at this point.
Re: PowerWash Simulator's New Paid DLC Will Let You Scrub Shrek's Swamp Next Month
Well that was a sentence I wasn't expecting to read.
Re: Palworld Developer Responds To Nintendo Lawsuit
At this point I'm just going to wait for more information to come out, specifically about the specific patents being infringed upon.
No use arguing about something I know little about.
Re: Devolver Digital Confirms The Plucky Squire Won't Run At 60 FPS On Switch
At this point it's to be expected, doesn't make it any less disappointing though.
Re: Talking Point: Would $499 Be Too Much For 'Switch 2'?
If the upgrade was minimal at best I wouldn't buy it for that price, it would feel too much like a rip off.
There has to be a significant enough spec increase for me to warrant purchasing a 'Switch 2', as well as a game to reel me in.
I first bought my switch for xenoblade 2 and the rest of the games releasing for it kept me invested.
I don't have any problem waiting for the switch 2 to build up it's library when it releases or even a price cut, I mostly game on PC now.
Re: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake New Story Segments Will Focus On Your Father
This is already looking like the definitive edition and that makes me happy.
I really hope they bring back the pachisi board.
Re: Crocs And Pokémon Are Teaming Up Again With Four New Designs
Not going to lie these designs seem a bit uninspired, and definitely not worth $70, there is a ton of fanmade merch that would easily have more effort put into it.
And as mentioned above, the merch is almost always gen 1 which gets really repetitive.
Hard pass from me.
Re: Palworld Boss Says A Switch Release Could Be "Hard" Due To Technical Reasons
Kirbyo wrote:
This take is pure delusion, the game struggles to run on devices mutliple times stronger than the switch.
It's time to admit that it's hardware is pretty out of date.
Re: Palworld Boss Says A Switch Release Could Be "Hard" Due To Technical Reasons
Not surprised, it even struggles to run on the Xbox Series S.
Re: Geoff Keighley Would Love Nintendo To "Be A Big Part" Of Summer Game Fest
The Summer Games Fest is terrible anyway so nothing of value will be lost.
Re: Marvelous Officially Reveals Farmagia, A New Monster Game Releasing This Year
This is a Square Enix tier name lol.
Re: Soapbox: The Erdrick Trilogy Is The Right 'Dragon Quest' For The HD-2D Treatment
DQ3 is one of the most influential games of all time easily, especially within the JRPG scene, it paves the path for the standard for RPGs even for games you wouldn't expect (Dark Souls is notable example).
I'm glad that Square is reminding us that they haven't given up on this remake along with DQXII.
If the speculation is correct and they're remaking the whole Erdrick trilogy instead of just 3, then that would explain why we've been waiting so long.
It would make sense given how long we've been waiting since the initial reveal, not to mention Square Enix teased on twitter "The Legend of Erdrick draws near" with the symbol or Erdrick and didn't specify a numbered entry.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it's just 3 as long as they include the additional content from the remakes like the pachisi board and extra postgame dungeons, I just want there to finally be a definitive way to play the trilogy, the mobile/switch remakes are inexcusable and lazily made. If you want a better way to experience the trilogy, skip the mobile/switch versions and instead emulate either the super famicom fan translation of 3 or the GBC version.
Re: Japanese Charts: Ring Fit Adventure Jumps Into Second In A Quiet Week For Sales
It must be really slow month for games in Japan then, most of these games in the top 10 are years old.
Re: Random: Sakurai's Game Storage Solutions Are A Sight To Behold
I'm not trying to judge how sakurai stores his games but I couldn't help wincing seeing them outside of their cases. The boxes are an important part for me, they're a big part of the charm of video games as a whole.
Re: Switch "Joy-Con Drift" Class Action Lawsuit Dismissed After Five Years
Only fanboys will defend this, the dismissal of this lawsuit is a loss for the consumer letting Nintendo know that they don't have to strive for quality hardware and can get away with it.
People seem to forget that we only got free joycon repairs (At least in the US) because of the lawsuit.
I won't be surprised if this issue is also present in the 'Switch 2'.
Re: Monster Hunter Series Surpasses 100 Million Sales After 20 Years
Deserved, such an amazing series that keeps on giving.
Re: 'NetherWorld' Brings Deliciously Dark Storytelling To Switch In 2025
I like the pixel art and the general atmosphere the game is showing but from a gameplay prespective it doesn't seem to be my type of game sadly
Re: Disgaea 7 Complete Is Coming To Switch In Japan
They are pumping these games out like candy
Re: Best Pokémon Spin-Off Games Of All Time
I'm honestly surprised that the new Pokemon Snap was ranked so high, maybe I'm missing something.
Re: Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Confirmed For Switch, Adds New Chapter & Storyline
Atlus has been real scummy with it's dlc practices lately.
Re: Mother 3 Is Coming To Nintendo Switch Online, But There's A Catch
If the people actually wanted to play the game they would've downloaded the fan-translation instead of begging for a localization all these years.
Nintendo fans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Direct Predictions - What Do You Hope To See?
I don't really have any expectations for this direct since it's 3rd party focused.
But if there is one thing; I hope we get another glimpse at Dragon Quest 3 remake, but I doubt it being shown here to be honest.
Re: Japanese Charts: Super Mario Bros. Wonder Jumps To The Top Spot, Once Again
This is the most amount of playstation titles on here I've seen in a while.
Re: Hands On: Splatoon 3's Spicy 'Side Order' DLC Isn't For The Faint Of Heart
I forgot this game was getting story dlc it's been so long since release.
Re: Switch Sales Pass 139 Million, Will Be "Main Business" Heading Into 2024, Says Nintendo President
Rainbowfire wrote:
It could, but considering how massive of a success the Switch has been, it's incredibly unlikely and would honestly be foolish on Nintendo's part to do so.
Re: Talking Point: As A Nintendo Fan, Do You Really Need To Play The Virtual Boy?
You don't ow anyone anything as a fan, no one is obligated to play every single entry in a series they like nor are they obligated to own every single piece of hardware made by a company they buy from.
Play and own what you want, simple.
Re: Random: Former Nintendo Employees Kit & Krysta Share Their Initial Reaction To Palworld
Are you guys done milking this topic yet?
The desperation for clicks is really starting to show right now.
Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's New Spirits Have Been Revealed, Out This Week
I still miss trophies, they had more effort put into them than all these png replacements.
Re: Random: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Glitch Lets You Kill Any Enemy Or Boss In One Hit
sleepinglion wrote:
Ah yes a game isn't allowed to have a single glitch or exploit or else it's rushed and unfinished.
Re: Monster Hunter Series Producer Shares New Year's Message Ahead Of 20th Anniversary
I was kinda of expecting more for the 20th anniversary, a simple poll and merch (via the website) doesn't seem so special.
Hopefully theres more interesting things down the line as they said but as of now the 20th anniversary for one of my favorite series is off to a pretty underwhelming start.
Re: Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown Switch Frame Rate, Resolution & Accessibility Revealed
It's a miracle the framerate isn't cut or half for once.
Though we'll still have to see if it's a stable 60fps.
Re: Feature: Which Zelda Game Has The Best Ganondorf? Every Design Ranked By You
This reeks of recency bias.
Re: Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince Update Announced For Switch
@Astral-Grain It quite literally isn't subjective as you can actually go out of your way to measure the framerate of the games yourselves, digital foundry and a multitude of other youtube channels do it themselves.
People like @Dazman can pretend to not notice it but that doesn't change the fact that the issue is still present.
What is subjective is how "playable" it is as you mentioned it.
In the anecdotal example you gave me you could just argue that your ability to play the game wasn't hindered that much if at all was because that the framerate issues for TOTK aren't nearly nearly as bad compared to Scarlet/Violet and even to an extent DQM3's. For this entry the framerate issues are plain as day especially in the open world areas.
Look I don't mean to come off as snarky or condescending, I just don't know how else to word this; but I think this is just due to you and a lot of other switch players having much lower standards than the average person, because only on a nintendo forumn would this ever be a discussion about how good a games framerate needs to be and other people justifying it.
I played my fair share of games too with framerate issues and still very much enjoyed them (SMT V, MH Stories 2, XC2), but I would be lying to say that I was disappointed by those aspects in the games and would be delusional to say I didn't derserve better as a consumer.
Re: Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince Update Announced For Switch
Dazman wrote:
It has frame drops for both docked and handheld mode, you either don't notice it (though I don't see how considering how prevelant it is) or are just used to it.
Also why is "I didn't experience it msyelf therefore it doesn't exist" such a common defense on this site?
You aren't the only person in the world and this has no substance so you just make yourself look like a shill.
There are multiple people here that pointed it out, even on the review on this site and there are performance reviews you can look on youtube.
The framerate is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.
Re: Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince Update Announced For Switch
Hopefully they do something about the performance.
Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Cross-Play Release Window Confirmed, But There's No Mention Of Switch
@NatiaAdamo You're 100% correct but Switch fans will buy anything and defend it too looking at the latest pokemon games and this mess.
Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Cross-Play Release Window Confirmed, But There's No Mention Of Switch
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Re: Best Nintendo Switch DLC & Expansions
Not a single pokemon game should be on here, their dlc is just as mediocre as the base game.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Pokémon Scarlet & Violet: The Indigo Disk DLC
So the dlc of a rushed game that runs like garbage also runs equally as bad if not worse? No surprise there.
But then again pokemon fans defended the main game so I shouldn't be surprised.
This makes me even more glad I dropped pokemon years ago as a franchise.
Re: Feature: The Best Smash Bros. Ultimate Character Trailers, Ranked By You
I feel like Banjo only won first place due to nostalgia and not the actual quality of the trailer.
Sure it was funny but it was just a continuation off of K Rool's trailer and they just threw a jiggy and you immediately knew who it was.
Sephiroths trailer had way more effort put into it and got me excited despite me never touching a Final Fantasy game.
Seeing Galeem casually being obliterated then hearing Sephiroths music cue in with him appearing is amazing and theres nothing like it.
Theres also the brilliant blend of CGI and in game shots mixed in well together that also do a ton of subtle yet brilliant references to the game and Advant children movie.
While Banjo was a good addition, his trailer was boring and sadly his gameplay also shows it, Sephiroth easily has the best trailer in smash history.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (December 2nd)
On Switch still working on finishing the Dragon Quest Monsters 3 and Star ocean demos.
On PC, Nick all stars 2 and lethal company with friends.
As well as the rest of my steam backlog for games I bought but haven't touched yet.