@Stormkyleis CGI is crafted by computers. Which is exactly what the C in CGI stands for Computer Generated Imagery. Gen-AI images are CGI images. They are images generated by a computer. And yes it still requires human input, but uses a different technique. Instead of creating your own 2D/3D models you create them using a prompt. Text to Image.
And yes even with "classic CGI" most animations are programmed rather than designed. A designer does not manually create each frame. They create a 3D or 2D object and add keyframes. The computer generates the frames between the keyframes. This is in fact using the same techniques Gen-AI use, though primitive forms.
@Robot99 You can block it by using a different browser. FireFox, Brave, Edge - except you'll get Copilot - Vivaldi, Opera.
And as much as we don't want it, AI is here to stay. AI is still improving and quite soon most games will be partly or even mostly AI. Also if you use any form of DLSS or Frame scaling / framegen you are basically using generative AI already.
@cyrus_zuo The game is an absolute 9,51/10 and my 2nd place Game of the Year*. And the game absolutely has a lot of depth. Even more so than any Mario game before it. The game does, however, have a slow-ish start. So it feels to me that you haven't played more than a couple of hours.
*) I won't be finishing Metroid Prime 4 before Christmas day so I can now say that Pokémon Legends Z-A is my game of the year with a 9,52/10.
Nintendo always told us that this was a timed bundle. And I get why they want to make more bundles in the future (see Legends Z-A bundle) but having more bundles in the end confuses consumers.
@MARl0 Still.. If I would've made the comparison I would've compared Switch and Switch 2 to PC (with clearly noted specs), XBOX ONE and PS4. Since those have similar power to the Switch 2. It'd be a more fair comparison.
I will also do my own checks with the updated version of the game to see if I notice any real differences during gameplay. I'll update my post if I do.
Tested; it feels instant right now. I can't really tell any difference from me pressing the jumb button and my character executing the jump. It may feel a bit smoother than first, but that may be just a placebo. In the end, I have no issues with the game, as much as I didn't have issues with the game before the update released.
Strangely I don't notice any inputlag in the game. But DF is again clearly showing their PS-fanboy tendency here. Comparing only to a PS5 which is ofcourse much faster than any Switch.
A lot of people here ^^ say that the game is bad but that they have never played it. To you I have one suggestion; try playing it. Since the game is absolutely solid and indeed with updates most of the rough edges have been ironed out.
@DennyCrane Yes, and that is exactly my point. THEY controlled how I could listen to the music I "owned". The DRM CDs have a small lead in data track that blocks a PC from detecting the audio.
@Pat_trick I'd say the answer is only a short google search away.
@KociolekDoSyta I never said they would come to your house. I have said that they can revoke a digital license. No matter if that license is contained in a download or a physical game. Even the first WiiWare games I purchased can STILL be redownloaded, even after Nintendo shut down the Wii Shop channel. Same for DSi, Wii U and 3DS games.
@DennyCrane In the early 2000s I was a big fan of Celine Dion. I once bought her album "A new day has come". I tried to play that on my PC.
I absolutely shouldn't have. Since it didn't work because of it's DRM. DRM on a physical disc.
They can, they have, they will.
BluRay discs use keypairs on the player. So you need to update them to get the latest keys. (They can revoke them as well)
UHD BluRay discs are even worse, since they have ACTIVE keys. Which means the player checks online everytime you start one. And defaults to 1080p or 720p if your key can't be verified. (if it plays at all) And yes, I've seen this on multiple discs.
@Pat_trick There have been instances that exact physical copies have been locked. And sure if you never connect your console to the internet you won't have the issue. But you might also not be able to play newer games, since those would require newer firmware updates.
If those games come with said firmware updates.. then.. well..
@Oppal21 Any power budget costs money. Very simple. Nintendo is a company that needs to sell their console to tens of millions of people. Their power budget is constrained to that market.
They could've made a more powerful handheld easily. But in the end that would've increased the price of the console and easily have doubled it. (because you would also need a bigger battery and more powerful cooling) Which would put the Switch 2 out of reach for most casual gamers.
Consoles / PCs like the SteamDeck or any of the Windows handhelds don't really have this issue. Because they exist within a niche or have a large storefront to back them easily.
The fact is. Nintendo can't compete with Sony or Microsoft. They tried with the GameCube and the Wii U and both didn't cut it. The Wii and Switch did their own thing, which made them a lot more succesful. Something Nintendo tries to continue with the Switch 2. And honestly, I agree with them there.
@Pat_trick They can, they have and they will. There have been multiple instances of publishers revoking access to even physical forms of media. From CDs, DVDs, BluRay discs (try to watch one when the signing key is revoked you'll see), games on floppy, games on discs, games on cartridges.
Some older hardware didn't have any ways to verify a digital license. But since devices have started getting firmware and game updates this has absolutely changed.
@Pat_trick If you buy a digital or a physical game you ONLY ever own a license to that game. A license that can be revoked by the copyright holder because of the terms that are included. And yes, those are entirely legal.
And no physical medium is going to save your game if it's owner decides you can't play it anymore.
@ArcadeSixties I agree entirely. Complaining about it doesn't make it go away. It will in the end change nothing. Even if all complainers stop buying the game, it will be less than a rounding error on the sales total.
My current game of the year is Pokémon Legends Z-A. Even the DLC is really good. Deserved 9,52/10. (Metroid Prime might still be able to beat it, but I need to finish it first before Christmas Day)
@The_Nintendo_Expat Personal experience, it's not worse.
@AussieMcBucket Basically they jumped to put extra hate on the Switch 2 (version) for no real reason. For the points I mentioned. Maybe then I just don't like this version of the review.
Really a 4/10? For basically still one of the best games ever made?
Really?
REALLY??!!!
30 fps. Is not a problem in a game that is basically a walking simulator with slow combat.
Download size.. sure that could've been better. But I see them fixing that with an update within a couple of weeks.
Input lag? I haven't noticed any.
"Nothing new" Jesus Christ, it's a rerelease of an old game. Did you expect it to have new content?
So... I am going to rate this review a 0/10. You didn't even try.
The game.. 8/10. Which is my original Switch 1 versions' review. It doesn't play worse than the Switch 1 version, and looks better.
@8bit-Man Changes of that happening are getitng even slimmer. Why waste expensive wafers on ROM chips?
I do hope we'll someday see a Switch 2 revision with a M.2 slot. Price per GB storage those are still cheaper than MicroSDs. Even with the increased prices.
Because, yeah, their margins aren't large enough to take the more expensive ram/nand prices. I am guessing early next year it will happen. (to still take advantage of the holiday sales). Base Switch 2 going to €550 or even €600.
@Elbarbo Oh no, a game with online multiplayer wants players to actually play online multiplayer.
Honestly, SMH, if you have some decent Mega Evolved Pokémon. You'll reach rank S (enough for the stones) within an hour. So... play about 33% of the game and go online.
The game feels so well balanced and it's a lot of fun. Adding more maps to it won't change that really. And I don't think it will improve the game much, because it doesn't need them.
Ofcourse more content is always fun. But that can also be added later. Super Smash Bros Ultimate was also a very "complete" but also got a lot of DLC.
Breath of the Wild; almost entirely empty open world. (well not really but still)
Nintendo "fans": 'The world is so empty! I wish it had more interesting characters.'
Metroid Prime 4 has, like indeed Metroid Prime 3, some interesting NPCs.
Nintendo "fans": 'This feels so crowded! It's not survival with NPCs! I hope the NPCs die/leave quickly.'
And this is why Nintendo can absolutely never win with these people.
The only thing I don't really like is that Nintendo did not port Metroid Prime 2 and 3 to the Switch (2). It would have changed a lot about these characters also being in Metroid Prime 4 Beyond. Maybe they should even have ported Other: M to the Switch.
Another review from the pixel peepers from DF. The game runs great on Switch 2, looks great, plays great, sure you don't get the best hair graphics. But does that really matter?
@Moistnado Or Sony. Or any company actually if you look at all the HD/4K remasters released in the last or current generaion.
Companies need to make money for their shareholders.
When they (the shareholders) are happy, the company can invest in making new games.
Which makes me happy, because I can buy those new games to play.
It's not that hard.
Also be happy Nintendo offers an upgrade path. Some companies just release two seperate versions and let you pay full price for both if you want to play on Switch and Switch 2. (Square Enix for example)
I am currently somewhere between 9,20 and 9,30/10 for the game. MariKart World I gave a 9,25/10. So this is going to be a very fun score to see the best Nintendo racing game of the year. Or which one I will decide is.
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Re: Censored Dispatch Artwork Spotted On Nintendo's Digital Storefront
US: Guns and violence is ok. A little bit of a woman's naked skin: is not.
Rest of the world: very much the opposite.
The EU shop also shows the original image, not the US image.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@PlatinumTour But nobody likes accountants.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@Stormkyleis CGI is crafted by computers. Which is exactly what the C in CGI stands for Computer Generated Imagery. Gen-AI images are CGI images. They are images generated by a computer. And yes it still requires human input, but uses a different technique. Instead of creating your own 2D/3D models you create them using a prompt. Text to Image.
And yes even with "classic CGI" most animations are programmed rather than designed. A designer does not manually create each frame. They create a 3D or 2D object and add keyframes. The computer generates the frames between the keyframes. This is in fact using the same techniques Gen-AI use, though primitive forms.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@Robot99 You can block it by using a different browser. FireFox, Brave, Edge - except you'll get Copilot - Vivaldi, Opera.
And as much as we don't want it, AI is here to stay. AI is still improving and quite soon most games will be partly or even mostly AI. Also if you use any form of DLSS or Frame scaling / framegen you are basically using generative AI already.
Re: Donkey Kong Bananza Has Been Updated To Version 3.0.0, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@cyrus_zuo The game is an absolute 9,51/10 and my 2nd place Game of the Year*. And the game absolutely has a lot of depth. Even more so than any Mario game before it. The game does, however, have a slow-ish start. So it feels to me that you haven't played more than a couple of hours.
*) I won't be finishing Metroid Prime 4 before Christmas day so I can now say that Pokémon Legends Z-A is my game of the year with a 9,52/10.
Re: Switch 2's Mario Kart World Bundle Has Apparently Reached The End Of Its Lifecycle
Nintendo always told us that this was a timed bundle. And I get why they want to make more bundles in the future (see Legends Z-A bundle) but having more bundles in the end confuses consumers.
Re: Nintendo Fans Might Get The Entire Tomb Raider Survivor Trilogy Thanks To Their "Passionate Response"
But what about Lara's hires hair?!!! We demand HI RES hair!! Otherwise the game is BAD!!!
/nintendolife-fans.
Yay! I want the entire trilogy on Switch 2. These games are awesome
/me
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Reviews Skyrim On Switch 2, And Yeah, It's Bad
@MARl0 Still.. If I would've made the comparison I would've compared Switch and Switch 2 to PC (with clearly noted specs), XBOX ONE and PS4. Since those have similar power to the Switch 2. It'd be a more fair comparison.
I will also do my own checks with the updated version of the game to see if I notice any real differences during gameplay. I'll update my post if I do.
Tested; it feels instant right now. I can't really tell any difference from me pressing the jumb button and my character executing the jump. It may feel a bit smoother than first, but that may be just a placebo. In the end, I have no issues with the game, as much as I didn't have issues with the game before the update released.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Reviews Skyrim On Switch 2, And Yeah, It's Bad
Strangely I don't notice any inputlag in the game. But DF is again clearly showing their PS-fanboy tendency here. Comparing only to a PS5 which is ofcourse much faster than any Switch.
Re: Rumour: Bethesda's Newest IP Is Still Reportedly On Course For Switch 2
A lot of people here ^^ say that the game is bad but that they have never played it. To you I have one suggestion; try playing it. Since the game is absolutely solid and indeed with updates most of the rough edges have been ironed out.
Re: Rumour: Bethesda's Newest IP Is Still Reportedly On Course For Switch 2
@SuperEndriu It had issues when it launched, but a lot of updates later and it's not bad right now.
Re: Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora Probably Won't Come To Switch 2 Anytime Soon
This game is basically Far Cry but with blue aliens. Played it on PC, didn't like it at all.
Re: Divinity: Original Sin 2 Gets Surprise Nintendo Switch 2 Edition, And It's Out Now
I hope Baldur's Gate 3 comes to Switch 2 someday soon.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@DennyCrane Yes, and that is exactly my point. THEY controlled how I could listen to the music I "owned". The DRM CDs have a small lead in data track that blocks a PC from detecting the audio.
@Pat_trick I'd say the answer is only a short google search away.
@KociolekDoSyta I never said they would come to your house. I have said that they can revoke a digital license. No matter if that license is contained in a download or a physical game. Even the first WiiWare games I purchased can STILL be redownloaded, even after Nintendo shut down the Wii Shop channel. Same for DSi, Wii U and 3DS games.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@DennyCrane In the early 2000s I was a big fan of Celine Dion. I once bought her album "A new day has come". I tried to play that on my PC.
I absolutely shouldn't have. Since it didn't work because of it's DRM. DRM on a physical disc.
They can, they have, they will.
BluRay discs use keypairs on the player. So you need to update them to get the latest keys. (They can revoke them as well)
UHD BluRay discs are even worse, since they have ACTIVE keys. Which means the player checks online everytime you start one. And defaults to 1080p or 720p if your key can't be verified. (if it plays at all) And yes, I've seen this on multiple discs.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@Pat_trick There have been instances that exact physical copies have been locked. And sure if you never connect your console to the internet you won't have the issue. But you might also not be able to play newer games, since those would require newer firmware updates.
If those games come with said firmware updates.. then.. well..
Re: Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition Updates Planned For Switch Platforms
@Oppal21 Any power budget costs money. Very simple. Nintendo is a company that needs to sell their console to tens of millions of people. Their power budget is constrained to that market.
They could've made a more powerful handheld easily. But in the end that would've increased the price of the console and easily have doubled it. (because you would also need a bigger battery and more powerful cooling) Which would put the Switch 2 out of reach for most casual gamers.
Consoles / PCs like the SteamDeck or any of the Windows handhelds don't really have this issue. Because they exist within a niche or have a large storefront to back them easily.
The fact is. Nintendo can't compete with Sony or Microsoft. They tried with the GameCube and the Wii U and both didn't cut it. The Wii and Switch did their own thing, which made them a lot more succesful. Something Nintendo tries to continue with the Switch 2. And honestly, I agree with them there.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@Pat_trick They can, they have and they will. There have been multiple instances of publishers revoking access to even physical forms of media. From CDs, DVDs, BluRay discs (try to watch one when the signing key is revoked you'll see), games on floppy, games on discs, games on cartridges.
Some older hardware didn't have any ways to verify a digital license. But since devices have started getting firmware and game updates this has absolutely changed.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@Pat_trick If you buy a digital or a physical game you ONLY ever own a license to that game. A license that can be revoked by the copyright holder because of the terms that are included. And yes, those are entirely legal.
And no physical medium is going to save your game if it's owner decides you can't play it anymore.
Re: Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection Switch 1 & 2 Physical Release Does Not Include Mortal Kombat 4 On The Game Card
@ArcadeSixties I agree entirely. Complaining about it doesn't make it go away. It will in the end change nothing. Even if all complainers stop buying the game, it will be less than a rounding error on the sales total.
And that is the only thing that counts.
Re: Multiple Switch Games Have Received Switch 2 Compatibility Fixes
@WaveBoy no. These fixes are to make sure the game runs like they do in Switch. This doesn’t give any real upgrades.
Re: Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition Updates Planned For Switch Platforms
They should ONLY add the high res hair. Just to make fun of all the reviews.
The game is as good as the original was. So it does have some flaws. But overall it’s a great game.
Re: 35 Upcoming Nintendo Switch 1 & 2 Games To Look Forward To In 2026
Many great games coming next year. Let’s hope for a January Nintendo Direct for the details.
Re: 'Orbitals' Brings Awesome-Looking Asymmetrical Co-Op Anime Antics To Switch 2 Next Year
I hate forced co-op games. I don’t have many game playing friends, so I can’t play these games.
Either let me control both characters, let me play with only one character or make one AI controlled.
Re: The Game Awards GOTY For 2025 Is Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
Played Clair Obscur, didn’t like it at all.
My current game of the year is Pokémon Legends Z-A. Even the DLC is really good. Deserved 9,52/10. (Metroid Prime might still be able to beat it, but I need to finish it first before Christmas Day)
Re: Mini Review: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Anniversary Edition (Switch 2) - Just Hugely Disappointing
@wizzgamer Expensive? It's free.
@The_Nintendo_Expat Personal experience, it's not worse.
@AussieMcBucket Basically they jumped to put extra hate on the Switch 2 (version) for no real reason. For the points I mentioned. Maybe then I just don't like this version of the review.
Re: Mini Review: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Anniversary Edition (Switch 2) - Just Hugely Disappointing
Really a 4/10? For basically still one of the best games ever made?
Really?
REALLY??!!!
30 fps. Is not a problem in a game that is basically a walking simulator with slow combat.
Download size.. sure that could've been better. But I see them fixing that with an update within a couple of weeks.
Input lag? I haven't noticed any.
"Nothing new" Jesus Christ, it's a rerelease of an old game. Did you expect it to have new content?
So... I am going to rate this review a 0/10. You didn't even try.
The game.. 8/10. Which is my original Switch 1 versions' review. It doesn't play worse than the Switch 1 version, and looks better.
Re: Nintendo's Shares Take A Tumble Amid Renewed Chip Shortage Worries
@8bit-Man Changes of that happening are getitng even slimmer. Why waste expensive wafers on ROM chips?
I do hope we'll someday see a Switch 2 revision with a M.2 slot. Price per GB storage those are still cheaper than MicroSDs. Even with the increased prices.
Re: Nintendo's Shares Take A Tumble Amid Renewed Chip Shortage Worries
price increase coming in 3...
Because, yeah, their margins aren't large enough to take the more expensive ram/nand prices. I am guessing early next year it will happen. (to still take advantage of the holiday sales). Base Switch 2 going to €550 or even €600.
Re: Pokémon Legends Z-A Version 2.0.0 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@Nep-Nep-Freak They usually increase to a major version with new DLC or with bigger updates (see Animal Crossing for example)
But yeah, it's mostly up to the developers how version numbers are handled.
Re: Video: Skyrim Still Isn't 60fps On Switch 2, But Here's How It Fares Against Switch 1
@Wewewi Ah yes, didn't know that. (I have it on always enable) But still it does look good on Skyrim.
Re: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Confirms Return Of Hoenn Starter Mega Stones
@Elbarbo Oh no, a game with online multiplayer wants players to actually play online multiplayer.
Honestly, SMH, if you have some decent Mega Evolved Pokémon. You'll reach rank S (enough for the stones) within an hour. So... play about 33% of the game and go online.
Re: Video: Skyrim Still Isn't 60fps On Switch 2, But Here's How It Fares Against Switch 1
Not that Skyrim is a game that needs 60fps. And the HDR / higher res textures look a LOT better on Switch 2.
It looks great, it plays great, and it's free (if you have the Switch version).
Re: Opinion: City Trial Is Kirby Air Riders At Its Best, But It Needs More Maps To Thrive Long-Term
The game feels so well balanced and it's a lot of fun. Adding more maps to it won't change that really. And I don't think it will improve the game much, because it doesn't need them.
Ofcourse more content is always fun. But that can also be added later. Super Smash Bros Ultimate was also a very "complete" but also got a lot of DLC.
Re: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond - Meet The Team
Breath of the Wild; almost entirely empty open world. (well not really but still)
Nintendo "fans": 'The world is so empty! I wish it had more interesting characters.'
Metroid Prime 4 has, like indeed Metroid Prime 3, some interesting NPCs.
Nintendo "fans": 'This feels so crowded! It's not survival with NPCs! I hope the NPCs die/leave quickly.'
And this is why Nintendo can absolutely never win with these people.
The only thing I don't really like is that Nintendo did not port Metroid Prime 2 and 3 to the Switch (2). It would have changed a lot about these characters also being in Metroid Prime 4 Beyond. Maybe they should even have ported Other: M to the Switch.
Re: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond Difficulty Settings Revealed By Nintendo
I don't really like games that are too hard, so I'm happy with this. (Dark Souls and similar just annoy / frustrate me)
Re: Switch 2 Black Friday Deals Are A Bit 'Meh', But Here Are The Best We've Seen
Honestly most "Black Friday deals" are meh at best.
Re: Pokémon Legends Z-A Version 1.0.3 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@Sixteen_Bit_89 The game has been good since day one. Sitting at a 9,52/10 for me and currently the Game of the Year.
Re: Digital Foundry Dives Into Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition's "Big Downgrades" On Switch 2
@electrolite77 Same thing.
Re: Digital Foundry Dives Into Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition's "Big Downgrades" On Switch 2
Another review from the pixel peepers from DF. The game runs great on Switch 2, looks great, plays great, sure you don't get the best hair graphics. But does that really matter?
No. Not at all.
Re: Beyond Good & Evil 2 Job Listing Shows There's Signs Of Life In The Old Hog Yet
It took them 14 years to develop Duke Nukem Forever (which bombed when it finally released)
Beyond Good and Evil 2 has been in development limbo for over 17 yeas now.
I have zero trust this is going to be any good.
Re: PSA: You Can Now Remap 'Nintendo Classics' NES And Game Boy Controls
@dazzleshell Especially for Switch 2. Since you can't easily charge them if you don't have a Switch (anymore).
Re: PSA: You Can Now Remap 'Nintendo Classics' NES And Game Boy Controls
So now are all the NSO apps updated to the 3.x versions? Okay except the Mega Drive one.
Re: Review: Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition (Switch 2) - A Serviceable Port Of One Of Lara's Very Best
@Aswannsong Yeah, the game does "suffer" from being very similar to the Uncharted series. Which also comes with a lot of waves of enemies.
But the survival aspect of it is decent, the atmosphere is great, and honestly it's still an awesome game. Even for being 12 years old.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting A Copy Of Rosalina's Storybook?
My copy arrived today as well. It's a really beautiful book. Also a great story book for a child.
Sadly there is no Dutch version, so it's not really suitable for little children here.
Re: Metroid Prime 4's Official Rating Summary Spotted On ESRB Website
@Moistnado Or Sony. Or any company actually if you look at all the HD/4K remasters released in the last or current generaion.
Companies need to make money for their shareholders.
When they (the shareholders) are happy, the company can invest in making new games.
Which makes me happy, because I can buy those new games to play.
It's not that hard.
Also be happy Nintendo offers an upgrade path. Some companies just release two seperate versions and let you pay full price for both if you want to play on Switch and Switch 2. (Square Enix for example)
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 System Update 21.0.1 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
Stability jokes are so much fun.. back during the Wii U era.
Right now they are just boring and samey.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Kirby Air Riders?
I am currently somewhere between 9,20 and 9,30/10 for the game. MariKart World I gave a 9,25/10. So this is going to be a very fun score to see the best Nintendo racing game of the year. Or which one I will decide is.
(based on my opinions ofc)
Re: Shujinkou's Enormous Soundtrack Is Now Available To Download
@The21zonz I have the full OST of LoZ Tears of the Kingdom. Also 7 CDs
Re: UK Charts: Kirby Air Riders Narrowly Misses Out On A Top Ten Spot
@Kyloctopus How much they love EA Sports FC must say enough there