The Game Awards GOTY For 2025 Is Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

I hope Expedition 33 gets ported to Switch 2 given how popular it is.

I thought it would be Silksong for being such a cultural phenomenon, literally breaking every online storefront and all.

A certain fan base is going to be seething over that best sports/racing game award.

Anyway, congrats to Expedition. Hope a good Switch 2 port comes along at some point.

@MarkSeteth72 Sequel curse.

Not unexpected at all, and I'm happy for the E33 creators. Just a bit disappointed that Bananza didn't get a bit more love. Though I wasn't expecting much in that regard, so I'd say the show went pretty well since my expectations were low like usual.

The 2025 awards were too predictable. All games deserved their win, EXCEPT CO33 for best "indie" game. That's a crime against indie developers and the industry should be ashamed at itself for letting this happen.

Nothing's topping Hundred Line for me this year but at least the E33 devs shouted it out when they both came out.

@Axecon And maybe Mario Kart World for Best Racing - can you REALLY say that it is better than Sonic Racing: Crossworlds?

Another year that I question why Nintendo Life and others cover this sham of an awards.

Well earned by Expedition 33.

MKW winning best racing is a disappointment. CrossWorlds is leagues better.

@Axecon E33 is technically an indie title.

Should another game have been there? Sure. I'd've nominated Quartet myself. But E33 is still indie by TGA's definition.

Expedition 33 really deserved it. It just sucks it had to come at the expense of other great titles, like Silksong, Hades II, and Donkey Kong Bananza. But then again, it probably makes a louder statement to the industry if it beats other top shelf titles and not a bunch of AAA junkers.

Expedition 33 is so overrated, omg… I won’t start a debate but as a JRPG fan, the game feels like a western parody to me.

I’m pretty sure it’s going to be released on the Switch 2 at some point. Don’t expect anything like a Final Fantasy… I don’t get how or why so many people compare it to the golden age of the FF franchise. We didn’t play the same games, obviously.

@MarkSeteth72 Yeah, I’m glad Team Cherry wasn’t rewarded for not offering pre-orders and therefore crashing all the digital storefronts. That was a pretty crappy decision that shows their disdain for others.

@Axecon Why? E33 for all intent and purposes IS an indie game despite people sometimes forgetting since that game doesn’t look like a traditional indie game. E33 in general was a huge breakout title for the year and pushed the “turn based isn’t dead” message to the industry.

Well deserved. My favorite game this year.

Congrats to a pretty good game taking so many awards. Definitely got tired of hearing that same song and seeing those goofy getups though.

Best game, by far. Expedition 33 is a masterpiece.

Mario Kart World is trash. Sonic Racing: Crossworlds is far better.

MKW is my biggest disappoint. MK8 deluxe is my favorite Switch-1 game.

BANANZA the real GOTY!

@Sindayl It has an interesting premise, fun characters, and an atb combat system. Yes, classic Final Fantasy is obviously “more” Final Fantasy, but nothing has come close to catching that in recent times. The last Final Fantasy game to truly scratch the Final Fantasy itch for me was FFX. Everything after is hardly Final Fantasy, even when you use the whole “FF never had a clear identity or combat style” arguments. Both of which are silly and flat out wrong. The series has abandoned its identity and somehow fans defend it or gaslight those who notice it.

@Arawn93 Didn’t Persona 5 already tell the industry turn-based wasn’t dead? Baldurs Gate 3 is also turn-based, though not in the JRPG style.

@MarkSeteth72 it wasn't that big of a cultural thing.
Its just a simple sequel.
Plus 33 sold much better then silksong to fans.
Silk song is much more a game overrated by critics.

Gotta love how the Japanese guy brushed up on his French...

I think we all saw that coming. Maybe if bonanza wasn’t made by Nintendo it stood a legitimate chance (like Astro bot last year)

Not a Nintendo game but I was really hoping Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 would get more love. Gem of a game.

And Mario Kart World was crowned the best sports/racing game of 2025

Well deserved 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 150 hours in (most of which was in Free Roam) and still loving this beautiful and joyful game that dared to do a lot new instead of just re-hashing Mario Kart 8.

Look out for lot of deranged AI thumbnails coming to your YouTube suggestions soon folks 🤣

Can't agree that CrossWorlds is better, with no single player campaign/story like every other Sonic racing game and an online that appears to have an ever increasing amount of bots :-/ The handling isn't great either, the lack of Sumo Digital definitely shows.

Knew clair 33 was gonna sweep. A great game that deserves it

I expected E33 to win Game of the Year, but I feel like Silksong should have at least won best indie game.

The amount of content that just three people were able to pack into that game, as well as the impact that Silksong's launch had on culture and the industry, is astounding.

@Sindayl agreed, the game is mediocre. Irrirating at times and ugly.

@Axecon considering how many people actually made this game and how most of them has never played a video game this is the definition of indie. Not a big developer at all. I think only one person was from ubisoft, the rest literally came off the street

Welp, at least Genshin didn't win GOTY yet again. :/

MKW I'm unsure of if it deserves the win over Sonic. They're relatively close, but I lack experience, so just an imo.

Silksong deserved something.

I've yet to play E33. Hoping this can help change the games market for the better.

Very happy for Clair Obscur. Totally deserved!

While is concerning to me that of all the goodness revealed, almost nothing comes to Switch 2.

@Arawn93

> pushed the “turn based isn’t dead” message to the industry. <

I‘ve always got the feeling that E33 is so beloved, because FF16 and FF7R are not turn-based, and that drives people insane, less because E33 is a good game.

Thank you for confirming my prejudice!

South of Midnight won games for impact huh, glad it’ll show up on Switch in 2026!

Played Clair Obscur, didn’t like it at all.

My current game of the year is Pokémon Legends Z-A. Even the DLC is really good. Deserved 9,52/10. (Metroid Prime might still be able to beat it, but I need to finish it first before Christmas Day)

@PushMyGran86

ChatGPT tells me that over 400 people are mentioned in the credits of E33, including all the support studios which are needed for such a huge AAA game.

Compare this to Silksong with around 100 and Hades 2 with around 130 people. Both of them would be regarded big games 20 years ago, and E33 a giant game.

The definition of indie is broken. Real indies should be games like Animal Well.

@MarkSeteth72 Gosh, again with this.

It broke every store because Team Cherry did not allow for preorders. It would happen for every big anticipated game. Watch GTA VI break every store for 1 entire week if Rockstar were stupid enough to not allow preorders.

@MasterGraveheart Okay, let's break another BS spread by useless youtubers like Yong Yea : the game was not made by 33 people. External studios worked on it, on matters like animation for example.

The team behind is pretty much the same in size as the one behind Bananza.

It is NOT an indie title. Which does not change the fact it's a great game of course.

@roboshort Baldur's Gate 3 is Dungeons & Dragons tabletop turn based style gameplay.
D&D is the grand daddy of Turn based RPGs.
JRPG's started in the early 80's and is actually based on Western influence believe it or not.

My sole issue with E33 is the turn-based combat, which imo felt old, slow and repetitive around 15 years ago.

Good to see some love for MKW and Bananza! Both true gems!

I really hope we get a Switch 2 version. Nobody seems to have a bad word for this game.

To the surprise of absolutely no one.

As an indie developer that self-publishes and has a budget of, well, whatever I can scrounge up from my full-time job, what do I call me and my team of three — an artist, a musician and me the programmer/designer? If a game with a $10m budget and Kepler as the publisher is "best debut indie game", I guess we're not even indie...

This is not to disrespect what they managed to release with such a "low" budget given today's development costs for "blockbuster-ish" 3D games, but man, it's a bit dispiriting. Because this sets the expectation for indie to that kind of level of budget and manpower. And most real self-published independent studios don't even have a hundredth of that budget and consist of a few people at best.

If an indie title has a budget of $10 million, then it's no longer an indie title. Clair Obscure didn't deserve ANY of the awards it got. Not like any of them even matter since this "award" show only exists so Geoff can inflate his own ego.

Sad to see Mario Kart World take home an award. Now Nintendo feels rewarded for putting out a half-baked product at an absurd price point.

@Ability-King-KK Someone here stepped with the wrong foot out of the bed this morning.

While I agree that giving them the Indie award was a bit of a stretch... but that's not the devs fault, but what the industry today defines as still being Indie.

All the other awards were definitely well deserved!

Mmmmmm MKW beating Sonic Crossworlds.
I have both games, it is a tough one.

MKW has the nostalgia and characters and worlds a bit more for me and the karts seem more connected to the road.

However SCW is so more exciting and sort of what is coming up next and more graphical and faster. Also the DLC keeps coming with new tracks and characters, we get Pac-Man in January and new track.

I think MKW is the plodder in this case and SCW is the flash go getter which adds better mystery and fun and DLC.

I will give it to Sonic crossworlds if I had to choose, it seems newer and fresh instead of an enjoyable romp plod which MKW seems now.

I will be honest I’m not that overly impressed with the N last year of switch and now the switch 2. If it wasn’t for DKB it be very average in big N switch 2 world.

Please remember I own all consoles so third party is hard to please on my swtich 2.

Congratulations on the f-rpg! Well deserved.
Now where is that Switch 2 announcement?

I wonder if they have that many categories in order to pat more of their mates on the back.

@Max_the_German I agree it is broken, but the game literally only has around 30 people working on it. Okay if you class everyone that was outsourced then there's more, but the main bulk of people is 30. Indie stands for independent, and they company and people are unknown so to me personally, that is indie. It's not a AAA studio

I was thrilled to see that Umamusume: Pretty Derby won the Best Mobile Game category. That was really the only category that was on my radar this year, as I haven't heard much of the other games. Now I'll definitely be showing this game (and hopefully the anime) to my aunt, who is into horses! Can't wait until I see her on Christmas Day!

Unsurprising that Clair won in all of its categories. Clearly a spectacular title (and one that should be ported to Switch 2).

I do however, think either we as a gaming community need to look at redefining our understanding of what “indie” is and can stand for, or the TGA need to redefine it for future award ceremonies.

Sandfall does absolutely class as an indie developer, they have a very small team (even if some work was outsourced), in comparison the larger AA and AAA studios, they have their own independent publisher that deals with a select group of indie devs and titles, and Sandfalls whole motto / belief is in proving that AAA quality games can be produced in scope under the size and restraint of small studios with the right tools and talent - something they very clearly demonstrated to great effect with their first title.

On paper it feels unfair because the game looks and play leagues above what most Indie developers look to do with their titles, but at the end of the day this Sandfall achieved what most large publishers and software companies fail to accomplish every year; make an excellent value consumer product that (1) doesn’t waste the players time (2) feels premium in scope, and (3) make the player feel like they have received a AAA experience under the guise of a relatively small budget.

Best "indie" game? As if we needed further proof that these awards are just an empty self-aggrandizement platform.

@PushMyGran86 @Sonicka It's "Best indie game" not "best indie studio". The size of the studio is irrelevant if many other people outside the studio worked to make the game what it is. It's like saying that Kirby Air Raiders is an indie game because most of the development duties were outsourced to Bandai Namco and the actual size of the Sora Ltd. team working on it was really small.
If you're putting a game with a huge budget and hundreds of people credited, in the same category as games actually made by very small teams working on a dime, your category is very clearly broken.
Not that Mr. Pay-me-to-show-your-trailers will give a f***k, of course.

Other thoughts; It’s was unsettling to see Nintendo win in all the categories its didn’t really deserve too. Whilst it is great Bonanza picked something up (especially after something like Astro swept the table last year), I’m not sure “best family game” is really is category for it considering most of the competition were multiplier titles.

It’s also a shame Mario Kart World beat out Sonic Crossworlds, if you were to judge it based on the audience reactions to the game title reads at the event it was pretty evident which one people were more ecstatic for.

AND it still irks me that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 got snubbed entirely from best video-game adaptation. Should have at least been a nominee considering it released after the 2024 game awards, and yet somehow the critically / commercially panned Last of us Season 2 won the thing.

On the positive, it was nice to see them shuffle the awards around a bit, I hate it when they reel off some of them on the fly really quickly so certain creators don’t end up hitting the stage - a particular bug bear was the soundtrack category but they respectfully made that a bigger deal this year.

In any case, this wasn’t worth watching. Most of the months teasers for reveals I was hyped for never came to fruition tonight, and nothing really caught my eye in the up and comings, so personally it was more of a yawn fest.

@Kochambra so what are we classing 33 as, because it's for sure not a AAA game. Also would we call hades II and hollow knight a indie game now as it has they hype and trailers. They aren't small games anymore.

Personally 33 is just as much a indie game as anything else

@Kochambra well yes, exactly my point. Either we to need reassess our understanding of “indie” or TGA need to take a closer inspection of what should class as an indie or budgeted game and break this down in smaller categories.

Clair did what it did spectacularly, but it came at the cost of out-shining a dozen other brilliant titles this year that deserved just as much (if not more) of a mention.

If it were me - I’d have put Blue Prince as a very strong contender for Game of the Year (it’s actually my personal GOTY). But it is what it is

Well, it's obvious they didn't mean to offend Nintendo, so they HAD to give them some awards lol

Also, I'm surprised to see a pretty boring game like NMS still getting awards.

Anyway, congratulations to Sandfall Interactive, I hope to see their game published on Switch 2 someday.

@Sonicka

It’s also a shame Mario Kart World beat out Sonic Crossworlds, if you were to judge it based on the audience reactions to the game title reads at the event it was pretty evident which one people were more ecstatic for.

Well which one did more people buy? The Gaming Awards audience was mostly influencers and journalists, not the majority of players.

I think Switch 2 is making a lot of people people wake up to the fact that gaming social media doesn't represent the wider gaming community. Most people are too busy enjoying their games to care about the endless negativity, nitpicking, drama and misinformation. Not to mention all the hatred people get who like games that are deemed bad by the social media Bubble. Plus all the arguments over woke. It makes gaming a miserable experience so personally I don't engage much outside of here.

Personally Mario Kart World should've got best Soundtrack but it wasn't even nominated as it's sponsored by Spotify so only ones on there :-/

Honestly if it wasn't for the lame DLC being full of silent props of characters, Sonic CrossWorlds might have been good.

Mario Kart World isn't perfect but it's leagues better in terms of presentation and polish. Deserved win.

@Ability-King-KK
100%

@Suketoudara oh 100%, based on that alone it’s no surprise really (I don’t actually think it’s a bad game either - I just think SEGA pumped out some good competition this year that was worth a nod).

Completely with you on MKW’s soundtrack though, how did this not make it on here? It’s just pure blis and some of the best arrangements they’ve ever produced for a game.

@Max_the_German If we are gonna quantify indie by the amount of people that worked in the project then none of them would be considered indie games. You have to be a “REAL” indie project like Schedule 1 where a single person named Tyler made a very successful game in the wake of the latest AssCreed launch.

@PushMyGran86

E33 is a AAA game. The costs for all this high-level voice actors must be massive.

@Max_the_German Yeah I think when you've got celebrity Voice Acting in your game, and support studios working on the game, and had a movie in the works... before the game even came out, you're probably not an indie lol.

I don't think E33 is quite AAA level you can sort of tell with the lack of towns or NPCs in the games areas. But its made with the kind of resources you'd associate with a AAA production that would be far out of reach of even the successful indie Studios.

@Arawn93

Exactly, games like Schedule 1. Or Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, Undertale, Animal Well.

E33 is a game developed by the small studio Sandfall Interactive, with the help of hundreds of external developers and testers, published by Kepler Interactive.

Apart from the fact that it is the first game of this studio, I don’t see any reason why E33 should be considered an indie. And even if „first game of non-vererans“ qualifies for „indie status“ is questionable in my opinion.

Are the E33 devs french by any chance? I couldn't tell.

For a game that's meant to be a break out hit and won the most ever game of the year awards and meant to have "made turn based popular again" I'd expect it to have sold more than 5 million copies, although to me Baldurs Gate 3 was a bigger hit commercially and done more for the turn based popularity.

@Max_the_German I guess it started as a indie. Started out as crowdfunding from the public, then they got more than they asked for and the hype went sky high so they outsourced.

Guess the question is when do we draw the line at indie nowadays?

Well deserved wins overall by E33. The "indie" category has always been rather fuzzily delineated ... so that one really is on the Game Awards. Given E33 was set for a swep and it really pushes any definition of "indie" to it's boundaries, it might made have sense to skip it for that particular category, given there were other outstanding "indie" games this year, that seem to fall more neatly into that category, whatever it might precisely be.

Mario Kart World winning best racer is honestly surprising given social media's general response to the game. I have been loving it but it's proven to be a little too off the beaten path for some.

Anyway, DKB winning best family is cool but it deserved a nom for something music-related because the soundtrack is incredible for that game. Also, can we just talk about HD rumble 2? Mario Kart World and DKB both use it to great effect but people kind of take it for granted.

E33 wins, because of course. Happy for it, though. Game was great. Mario Kart World didn't deserve to win spit, but eh.

I haven't played Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, so I don't know how much they deserve all the awards, but I find the discussion about it being Indie or not kind of weird.

For me it doesn't really matter how many people worked on something or how much it cost to make. If something was made by a studio that isn't owned by and without financial support from a big publisher, it is Indie. If I compare it to movies, every Wes Anderson movie is Indie (because he has his own production company) but they have moderately big budgets (tens of millions of $) and the cast is loaded with big Hollywood actors.

That said, I think it would be more interesting if a game that wins overall game of the year, that it would be disqualified from the other categories of best ... game. Obviously, best music, best debut and stuff like that is fine, but one game winning game of the year, best RPG and best Indie feels kind of redundant.

@countzero Yeah I think there should be a cap on how many categories a game can be nominated for tbh. Between E33 getting 12 nominations and Sony getting 19 nominations a lot of the nominations are being eaten up by a very small number of contenders.

@TheExile285 As long as the sport/racing category does not go to FIFA or whatever it's called now, I'm happy.

@Axecon The very concept of indie does not make any sense to me, or at the very least not named that way. They used industry-standard tools, someone else's platform and probably much more. They are not any more independent than Nintendo or Sony would be. In fact much less independent than them.

The cult-like behaviour that has developed around "indies" is weirding me out more and more.

@8bit-Man
"Now Nintendo feels rewarded for putting out a fine Mario Kart entry that just happens not to be to your taste, at the very usual price point of 60€, the same price as every other console MK games."

FTFY

KCD2 > CO:E33 any day of the week

@PushMyGran86 "so what are we classing 33 as"
We're classing 33 as a game, eligible for many other categories. If you're nominating in the indie game category a game that is much closer in crew size and budget to a big studio game rather than to something like Videoverse, your so-called "indie" category becomes pointless; just another way to prop up the same few games and developers and effectively erase everyone else.

Rare TGA W, as it seems fashionable to phrase these days. And while they didn't even nominate Bananza's Ingramlicious songs, at least even E33's music was acknowledged instead. If Keighley & Co can't resist the JRPG hype anymore, perhaps justice will be done to Xenoblade 4 among this bunch in due time as well?😏

Yeah, I'd like a Clair Obscur S2 version. It's been recommended to me, but that's my only console. Happy for everyone involved with that game!

And hey, Nintendo got recognition for making a couple excellent games this year - so good on them, too. I assume Metroid will get some recognition next year as well, along with (hopefully) other exciting titles!

I think E33 is the most overrated game in the last 30 years.

the whining against mario kart world just needs to stop its still a good game even with a few flaws just like with some of salty haters against prime 4 over the desert area which i think the complaint about it is overblown especially collecting the green crystals is not an issue for me compare to other collecting type quests in other games but overrall great game.

@Sindayl you have to be a troll, there’s no other way. JRPGs are my favourite genre ever, and Expedition 33 is among the top 3 in the genre.

@Ability-King-KK jeez, who pissed in your cereal this morning to be THAT salty? Really don’t get why some of you can’t live and let live. Always gotta talk down on certain games. Does it make you feel better or something?

I'm currently playing through E33 on PS5. It's a really fun game. It's not perfect, but it's flaws are relatively minor in my book.

Congrats to E33, I guess. I'm still bitter that Silksong won ONE award!

@kfflscnt
idk, at my local comic con like 33% of everything was just silksong. So much fan art and cosplayers, even children dressed up as Hornet. I always think about that when people whine about it being too difficult.
I didn't play e33, in fact i literally never heard of it before the game awards, but looking at screencaps it def does not deserve best art direction over Silksong and Hades II. The sales thing is just blatantly wrong, as of right now Silksong has sold 6 Million copies vs Clair Obscura's 3.3 Million

@LastFootnote @Oldstalk
My point still stands: everybody wanted it and Team Cherry wasn't expecting that. I doubt they were sitting in their evil headquarters going "hmm... how do we make sure less people are able to buy our game? A-ha! Let's crash Steam so only the people who buy it in the morning can buy it, and everyone else has to wait until the end of the day!!! Muahahahah!!!!"

@Rykdrew Yeeeessss seethe harder. Your salt is delicious. It fuels me.

@Dark-Luigi Mario Kart World hate is so forced...

Am I crazy for thinking Fast Fusion was the racing GotY? Perhaps it's because I only care about single player?

Well I hope they're still open for a Switch 2 port, I think they would already have Switch 2 dev kits by this point, but yeah, very impressive how it managed such a huge award run...!

@molkom great game

Nintendo won the only award that really matters, since obviously family matters the most! Congrats to Nintendo!

I have nothing in general against E33, but winning best RPG over Kingdome Come 2 is a blasphemy. Just shows how these reviewers play only what the mainstream tells them to.

@Oldstalk You do realize that TEAM SIZE isn't what makes a company independent, right? Independent, in the context of gaming, means separated from all of the big megacorps, like Nintendo, EA, Bethesda, Sega, Sony, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Epic Games, Capcom, Konami, SquareEnix, etc. That independent company could have one or one hundred people behind it. It's ownership that matters in the definition.

You could consider a company like WayForward or Yacht Club Games independent in that sense, despite how much success or presence they've had.

EDIT: Also, ZERO idea who Young Yea is, so, bringing them up was just completely useless. Maybe you're frustrated on the subject, but don't project other people's views onto other people, mkay?

@Zeroo I'm sorry. I didn't realize that we were supposed to blindly support the obvious industry plant game, because there is no way that a game with a $10 million dollar budget is an "indie" game.

Mario Kart World getting booed was GOLDEN 🤣

@MasterGraveheart Then being "independant" means absolutelly nothing, it's so subjective. Furthermore, Sandfall does have a publisher, it's Kepler Interactive. If this game is independant, then almost every game on the market is at this point.

Beside, what I criticized was this whole story made up by youtubers in dire need of views : according to them, this game was made by a small independant team, that it's "making AAA look bad because it's such a good game made by such a small team", that "gaming is healing" or whatever (sure, every year games are better and better, but it does not suit their BS story)

Why was it important to criticize this aspect ? Because 90% of Clair obscur's initial success came from that story (search for a video made when this game released, and look at the comments section), which is basically BS and needed to be debunked.
It does not change the fact it's a great game and it's worthy of this GOTY award. But the story around it is BS.

I'm so sick and tired of the E33 hate. Winning Game of the Year and getting a lot of praise does not equal that you personally have to like it. And I just know most of the commenters on this Nintendo forum don't even play on other platforms, thus they haven't played the game and their opinion means absolutely nothing. You're just being contrarian.

@TerribleTerabytes English is not my primary language. And I didn't understand anything you wrote.

Well deserved. Best RPG ever made. Best RPG Soundtrack ever made. Good for yall, thank God that trash Generic Theft Auto was delayed and didn't steal the flowers....

@Suketoudara I couldn't agree more.

Mario Kart World is joyful, beautiful, extremely polished and just pure fun. MKW and AstroBot are the most fun games I've played in years.

I even like the open world and P Switches. Nintendo did a masterful job of seemlessly blending each course/biome together, and having a big detailed open world, with tons going on, running at a flawless 60fps on a machine with a 1ghz CPU. It's underrated as a technical showpiece, and a game.

Crossworlds feels so cheap and nasty in comparison, with dull course design, boring weapons, and absolutely awful floaty handling and physics. Very good point about the lack of Sumo Digital, I hadn't considered that.

Crossworlds is shockingly bad, and I say that as a Sonic/SEGA fan, who wanted to like it, and really likes the original AllStars.

I feel like people saying it's better than MKW, have to be trolling, surely. MKW is in a completely different league.

@Ability-King-KK I think you don’t understand what indie means but that’s okay. Properly English isn’t your first language.

@Zeroo I know what indie means and indie don't have a $10 million dollar budget. If they do, they're no longer indie. Maybe you're the one who doesn't understand what indies are.

The concept of indie has changed so much in the past 10 years. There should be terms like mid-size and small-size instead. They filled up 2 or 3 rows there and still contracted out parts of game development. Just their core team was 3x the size of the GoldenEye dev team.

@Ability-King-KK and again you proved you don’t understand what indie means. gg

@Zeroo You're the one proving that you don't know what an indie game is. You think that a studio putting out their first game automatically makes it an indie game, but that was never the case. UnderTale, Shovel Knight, A Hat in Time, and even Minecraft in the beginning, THOSE are indie games because they were made with next to nothing in terms of budget. Clare Obscure had a $10 million budget, the type of budget that long standing gaming companies would give to a video game. No one should be calling Clare Obscure an indie game in a serious manner, because at no point was it ever an indie game BECAUSE of its budget compared to ACTUAL indie titles.

@Ability-King-KK budget doesn’t define indie game. You probably didn’t know but indie stands for “independent” regardless of budget. Hell, Hades 2 probably had a higher budget and was also nominated for best indie game, proving again that it’s not about budget.

@Zeroo Yeah, you definitely don't know what indie games are if you think budget has nothing to do with it. No indie game should ever have the budget Clair Obscure had. And if you want to bring Hades 2 into this, at least that's a sequel, so any money going into it more than likely came from the sales of the first game. Where did Clair Obscure's $10 million budget come from?

@Ability-King-KK ah you’re one of those “E33 is not is an indie game but ackshualky I’ll make an exception for Hades 2 in my rules 🤓”-type of person. Now it makes sense.

@Zeroo You opened up the door when you brought up Hades 2 in the first place. If you didn't want Hades 2 to be used as a counterargument, you shouldn't have brought it up. Even then, it no longer matters. It was found out recently that your precious Clair Obscure devs used AI to make the game. So even if it was an indie game, it's no longer valid asa proper game because of that!

@Ability-King-KK ok buddy

@Zeroo Have fun with your AI made game.

@Ability-King-KK i will - have fun hating stuff you don’t understand at all 🤣

@Zeroo I understand that much like The Last of Us II and Baldur's Gate 3 from past GotYs, that Clair Obscure didn't deserve ANY of the awards they got and just shows why Geoff and his ego show should never be taken seriously. So have fun with the fake indie game made with AI by an ex-Ubisoft dev. Everyone else will be playing actual GOOD games.

@Ability-King-KK you’re so angry that you’re literally foaming at the mouth lol. Go touch some grass instead of getting that angry.

@Zeroo No one's angry on my end. If anything, I find it sad that you're praising a game with no staying power. As time goes on, people won't care about or remember Clair Obscure and move on to the next "big" game. Or if they do remember it, it won't be in a good light, much like The Last of Us II. The ONLY person here who seems to be angry, is you, and that's because you can't stand the idea that this AI made game isn't being praised by everyone. Maybe you're the one who should "touch grass" if that upsets you that much.