They only want it back because they made more from the royalties for each game sold.
People seem to look back with rose tinted glasses. Are we forgetting that each NES game cost £3.50, SNES was £5.50, N64 was £8.00? Today with NSO, you get a great library and it works out cheaper as a subscription.
But all of this depends on what they do with the Switch 1. My guess is that they keep Switch Lite as the entry model and drop its price a little, and keep the regular Switch to retain that £250 market.
I remember the GBA SP being released. It was indeed a step up in some ways - the backlit screen, rechargeable battery, smaller form factor - but it was also a step back with having a smaller screen and more cramped button placement. The original GBA was perfect in this regard, it felt absolutely perfect in the hands.
I feel very fortunate to have grown up during the late Eighties/Nineties as I witnessed the progression of games consoles, and I have to admit that the GBAs' will always have a special place in my heart. It's hard to pinpoint why as the technology is so antiquated now, but I think it's partly because, pre-internet, the only way we could discuss and share information (and rumours!) about games was in-person and through magazines. Handhelds were something everyone could share and the legacy of many games was cemented by how we helped each other progress through them.
I remember Zero being quite divisive at the time. The primary complaint (which I completely agree with) was that first two-thirds of the story were different enough to be interesting, but the last act was... bewildering?
Still, I think time has been quite kind to this game. The graphics, audio and general atmosphere are top notch, and if nothing else it's still more enjoyable than 5!
Though I owned an N64 since launch, I’m genuinely surprised at how much I’m enjoying this game today. Nice tight controls, memorable soundtrack and happy tone to the gameplay.
Most N64 titles were capped at 30fps by the developers, Pilotwings being a rare example of where that wasn’t. If you fly out over the ocean you can actually hit 60fps in some cases.
That’s why this NSO version hits 60fps 99% of the time, from the trailer footage at least. And it bodes well for Goldeneye as that was capped at 30 I believe.
If only Capcom had given RE2 the 'REmake' treatment. I think that the current remake, although technically accomplished, lacks that classic horror vibe with the fixed camera angles.
I think NSO and the Expansion Pack are more experiments if nothing else. Nintendo knows that the way forward is to have a regular source of income through subscription models - like it or not, that's the direction the industry has moved.
But Nintendo's problem with online this generation is that it's struggled to find a value proposition, since there are both benefits and drawbacks to the previous alternative.
Virtual Console is viewed with rose-tinted glasses, yet the truth is that we were over-paying for games with darkened filters, only one save state and no backup. Have we already forgotten that you could pay £3.50 for NES Pinball? £6-8 for a SNES game? Almost £15 for the N64? I really don't want to go back to that.
The argument that were was more choice is clearly valid, but I don't believe for a second that anyone 'owned' these games. Nintendo's latest move with the 3DS and Wii U eShops are evidence of this.
NSO has a nicer interface, superior emulation, more save states and cloud backup. And although all the titles from Virtual Console aren't present, it costs approximately £1.50 a month to access a very good selection of NES and SNES titles, as well as online play. I honestly think that's undervalued.
Nintendo probably knew this and came up with Expansion Pack as a knee-jerk reaction, which has had almost the opposite effect as the value isn't quite there.
Then there's Game Vouchers, which are actually decent value for a first-party full price game (£84 minus £4 for Gold points = £40 per game). This solves the issue of digital games being more expensive, but will there ever be a Game Pass competitor?
Apart from collecting, I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to buy this. Sure it will feel 'right' when playing N64 games, but the analogue stick was a joke even back in the day. They become loose after no time at all.
Provided Nintendo adds many more titles in the future, just as they have with the NES and SNES, then the value won’t be too bad. But it really does need some standout games like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to make it a killer feature.
It's probably because of the game card capacities. The combined file size of the games might exceed 16gb, in which case they could generate more profit from 2 x 8gb cards with additional downloads if required.
The negativity in this comments section is astounding.
So once again we have no ‘big’ (that is, popular) titles for NSO. We get it - it’s already clear that Nintendo isn’t dipping into certain franchises either because of contractual issues or because said studios would rather release compilations/remasters. Who can blame them?
But to write off every new NES/SNES release with the usual “it looks boring/never heard of it/just what I wanted… not” comments, before even playing the games, is ridiculous.
They may not be the games you want, but give Nintendo credit for unearthing a host of titles that many of us (myself included) never got round to playing back in the day. And it doesn’t cost us any more - it’s still the same price, so there’s no risk.
I got mine in ‘97, the SM64 pack. It’s hard to believe now but they were already heavily discounted due to the PlayStation’s success, which everyone seemed to own. The tie-in packs were £99! By 2000, the transparent variants were £49.99 in Woolworths.
I sold my original N64, but got a new-old stock transparent model for £55 a few years ago.
My guess is that this was originally planned as DLC for SMP, but they changed their mind for some reason (like because they realised they could make more money from a full standalone release).
You only have to look at what Birdo says in SMP, and the data mine that occurred a few months back with revealed DLC plans.
I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to play games that I would never have purchased, let alone known about. I specially like the localised versions of the Japanese puzzle games on SNES.
Yes there are many missing classics, but this has more to do with the business model Nintendo chose. When I owned a SNES back in the day, most retailers only had small collections of video games available. It wasn’t like today. So I think it’s been good value overall.
My guess is that it’s a controller attachment for a new iPad mini. Personally I don’t think it makes sense for Apple to create a new gaming-centred OS and decide when there are already so many active devices out there, capable of playing games.
It’s okay Phil, no one else ‘got’ the N64 controller. The first thing I bought for my N64 back in ‘97 was a third-party version that looked like a more modern design.
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Re: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond Finally Gets A Release Date, Open World Confirmed
Game size is 31.6gb (eShop)
Better get that storage ready!
Re: Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics Updated To Version 2.0.1, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
They need to make it 1080p in handheld mode
Re: Feature: 27 GameCube Games We'd Love To See On Nintendo Switch 2 NSO
Are we forgetting Resident Evil 2?
Re: Hideki Kamiya Wants Nintendo To Reboot Virtual Console For Switch 2
They only want it back because they made more from the royalties for each game sold.
People seem to look back with rose tinted glasses. Are we forgetting that each NES game cost £3.50, SNES was £5.50, N64 was £8.00? Today with NSO, you get a great library and it works out cheaper as a subscription.
Re: Analyst States That Switch 2's Price Won't "Really Matter" For Early Adopters
£399 is my fear. Best case scenario £349.
But all of this depends on what they do with the Switch 1. My guess is that they keep Switch Lite as the entry model and drop its price a little, and keep the regular Switch to retain that £250 market.
Re: Talking Point: Which Pokémon-Themed Nintendo Console Has The Best Design?
The Gameboy and N64 versions are legendary. They were literally the dogs bits back in the day!
Re: Video: Splatoon 3 DLC Wave 1 Is All Style And No Substance
Should have been NSO Expansion Pack content.
Re: Video: Splatoon 3's Inkopolis Side-By-Side Graphics Comparison (Switch & Wii U)
This should have been included in the NSO Expansion Pack. No way is it worth the money when the Splatoon 2 story mode is on the NSOEP!
Re: Soapbox: Switch Is Great, But The GBA SP Was The Pinnacle Of Public Transport Gaming
I remember the GBA SP being released. It was indeed a step up in some ways - the backlit screen, rechargeable battery, smaller form factor - but it was also a step back with having a smaller screen and more cramped button placement. The original GBA was perfect in this regard, it felt absolutely perfect in the hands.
I feel very fortunate to have grown up during the late Eighties/Nineties as I witnessed the progression of games consoles, and I have to admit that the GBAs' will always have a special place in my heart. It's hard to pinpoint why as the technology is so antiquated now, but I think it's partly because, pre-internet, the only way we could discuss and share information (and rumours!) about games was in-person and through magazines. Handhelds were something everyone could share and the legacy of many games was cemented by how we helped each other progress through them.
Re: Soapbox: Resident Evil Zero's Train Scenario Is Still One Of The Franchise's Best
I remember Zero being quite divisive at the time. The primary complaint (which I completely agree with) was that first two-thirds of the story were different enough to be interesting, but the last act was... bewildering?
Still, I think time has been quite kind to this game. The graphics, audio and general atmosphere are top notch, and if nothing else it's still more enjoyable than 5!
Re: Review: Pilotwings 64 - A Real Gem, Sparkling In The Shadow Of Mario 64
Though I owned an N64 since launch, I’m genuinely surprised at how much I’m enjoying this game today. Nice tight controls, memorable soundtrack and happy tone to the gameplay.
Re: Pilotwings 64 For Switch Online Appears To Be Targeting A Higher Frame Rate
Most N64 titles were capped at 30fps by the developers, Pilotwings being a rare example of where that wasn’t. If you fly out over the ocean you can actually hit 60fps in some cases.
That’s why this NSO version hits 60fps 99% of the time, from the trailer footage at least. And it bodes well for Goldeneye as that was capped at 30 I believe.
Re: Random: Original Resident Evil Actors Have Reunited After 26 Years
For lunch they all enjoyed a Jill Sandwich 😉
Re: LEGO Confirms Rumours With New 18+ Bowser Set, Which You Can Actually Fight
There… there must be a mistake. This isn’t The Mighty Waluigi?
Re: Random: It's Been Five Years Since We've Heard Anything About Pikmin 4
Please understand
Re: Rumour: 18+ Super Mario LEGO Set Looks To Be The Biggest Yet
Please be SNES Please be SNES Please be SNES
Re: Random: Here's Why Nintendo Doesn’t Want You Using The Word "Nintendo" To Describe Video Games
Cowards!! Gwahaha
Re: Nintendo Highlights Another N64 Title Coming Soon To Switch Online's Expansion Pack In Japan
Give it to us! DEW-IT!
Re: Memory Pak: The Scariest Resident Evil Scene No One Talks About
If only Capcom had given RE2 the 'REmake' treatment.
I think that the current remake, although technically accomplished, lacks that classic horror vibe with the fixed camera angles.
Re: Random: 22 Years Ago Today The Nintendo 64DD Had More Online Features Than Switch
I think NSO and the Expansion Pack are more experiments if nothing else. Nintendo knows that the way forward is to have a regular source of income through subscription models - like it or not, that's the direction the industry has moved.
But Nintendo's problem with online this generation is that it's struggled to find a value proposition, since there are both benefits and drawbacks to the previous alternative.
Virtual Console is viewed with rose-tinted glasses, yet the truth is that we were over-paying for games with darkened filters, only one save state and no backup. Have we already forgotten that you could pay £3.50 for NES Pinball? £6-8 for a SNES game? Almost £15 for the N64? I really don't want to go back to that.
The argument that were was more choice is clearly valid, but I don't believe for a second that anyone 'owned' these games. Nintendo's latest move with the 3DS and Wii U eShops are evidence of this.
NSO has a nicer interface, superior emulation, more save states and cloud backup. And although all the titles from Virtual Console aren't present, it costs approximately £1.50 a month to access a very good selection of NES and SNES titles, as well as online play. I honestly think that's undervalued.
Nintendo probably knew this and came up with Expansion Pack as a knee-jerk reaction, which has had almost the opposite effect as the value isn't quite there.
Then there's Game Vouchers, which are actually decent value for a first-party full price game (£84 minus £4 for Gold points = £40 per game). This solves the issue of digital games being more expensive, but will there ever be a Game Pass competitor?
Who knows... This is Nintendo after all!
Re: Random: Pokémon Whips Were Once Considered, But Game Freak Thought It Was "Too Cruel"
GameFreak: whips are cruel
Also GameFreak : Pokémon is a game where you throw balls at creatures heads and hold them captive!
Re: Random: This Dude Fused A Nintendo Wii With A Toaster, For Some Reason
Reminds me of the PS3 that was turned into an open-top barbecue
Re: Surprise! Nintendo Has Added A 'Most Played' Section To The Switch eShop
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
Re: Switch Hacking Group Leader Gary Bowser Agrees To Pay Nintendo $4.5 Million
Bowser landed on a Bowser Space. Ouch!
Re: Gallery: Here's How The Switch Online N64 Controller Compares To The Real Thing
Apart from collecting, I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to buy this. Sure it will feel 'right' when playing N64 games, but the analogue stick was a joke even back in the day. They become loose after no time at all.
Re: Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy Gets A Meaty File Size, By Switch Standards
Article needs updating; it’s 13gb on the eShop.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think Of The Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pass Price?
Provided Nintendo adds many more titles in the future, just as they have with the NES and SNES, then the value won’t be too bad. But it really does need some standout games like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to make it a killer feature.
Re: Froggy Chair is BACK in Animal Crossing: New Horizons
Re: Crysis 2 & 3 Remastered Are Both Headed To Switch, But Only Individually
It's probably because of the game card capacities. The combined file size of the games might exceed 16gb, in which case they could generate more profit from 2 x 8gb cards with additional downloads if required.
Re: Nintendo Expands Its Switch Online SNES Service With Three More Titles
The negativity in this comments section is astounding.
So once again we have no ‘big’ (that is, popular) titles for NSO. We get it - it’s already clear that Nintendo isn’t dipping into certain franchises either because of contractual issues or because said studios would rather release compilations/remasters. Who can blame them?
But to write off every new NES/SNES release with the usual “it looks boring/never heard of it/just what I wanted… not” comments, before even playing the games, is ridiculous.
They may not be the games you want, but give Nintendo credit for unearthing a host of titles that many of us (myself included) never got round to playing back in the day. And it doesn’t cost us any more - it’s still the same price, so there’s no risk.
So come on… let’s be more positive!
Re: Random: "Of Course You Know What A Heart Is!": Nintendo Pokes Fun At Skyward Sword's Shortcomings
Zelda: What is a heart?
Bane: Ov corshhh!
Re: Nintendo Switch OLED Model Vs. Standard Switch / Switch Lite: Full Tech Specs Comparison
You should add the price to the comparison.
OLED Model is £309.99 / $349.99 [Nintendo Store]
Re: Anniversary: The Nintendo 64 Launched 25 Years Ago Today
I got mine in ‘97, the SM64 pack. It’s hard to believe now but they were already heavily discounted due to the PlayStation’s success, which everyone seemed to own. The tie-in packs were £99! By 2000, the transparent variants were £49.99 in Woolworths.
I sold my original N64, but got a new-old stock transparent model for £55 a few years ago.
Re: Mario Party Superstars Will Have You Partying Like It's 1999
@Noel360 You can. During the Treehouse gameplay they said it’s button-only and can be used with all controller types.
Re: Mario Party Superstars Will Have You Partying Like It's 1999
My guess is that this was originally planned as DLC for SMP, but they changed their mind for some reason (like because they realised they could make more money from a full standalone release).
You only have to look at what Birdo says in SMP, and the data mine that occurred a few months back with revealed DLC plans.
Re: What Are Your Favourite Switch Online SNES And NES Games? Nintendo Wants To Know
I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to play games that I would never have purchased, let alone known about. I specially like the localised versions of the Japanese puzzle games on SNES.
Yes there are many missing classics, but this has more to do with the business model Nintendo chose. When I owned a SNES back in the day, most retailers only had small collections of video games available. It wasn’t like today. So I think it’s been good value overall.
Re: Rumour: Get That Salt Ready, Apple Is Reportedly Working On A Nintendo Switch-Style Hybrid Console
My guess is that it’s a controller attachment for a new iPad mini. Personally I don’t think it makes sense for Apple to create a new gaming-centred OS and decide when there are already so many active devices out there, capable of playing games.
Re: Random: The Internet Goes Wild For New Waluigi Render
"What is the appeal of him? Why dies people like him so badly? I don't hate or dislike him, but I don't understand the notion behind that."
@Ulanda
Re: Talking Point: Is The New Switch Lite Blue, Or Purple?
I don't NEED it... but I do WANT it...
Re: Rumour: Smash Ultimate Fans Think Fighters Pass Vol. 2 Might Get A Bonus Seventh Character
Definitely Metal Gear Rex.
Re: From The Designer Of Goat Simulator, Just Die Already Offers "Old People Mayhem"
This is how I feel every day when I travel to work, so should feel familiar
Re: Switch Is Now Nintendo's Second Best-Selling System In The US, In "Tracked History"
So many great games... I'll be annoyed as heck if they're not compatible with the Switch's successor.
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer: 'I Could Have Never Designed The Wii... It Was Just Amazing To See'
It’s okay Phil, no one else ‘got’ the N64 controller. The first thing I bought for my N64 back in ‘97 was a third-party version that looked like a more modern design.
Re: Take A Look The Stunning Nintendo Switch Box Art For Mario Golf: Super Rush
Disappointed with Luigi’s lunchbox this time round
Re: Mario Kart Tour's Snow Tour Event Brings Back A Classic Mario Kart Wii Circuit
The sooner MK9 comes out the better. There's no way they would produce all this tracks and not include them for the Switch.
Re: Nintendo's 'Digital Deals' Sale Is Now Live, Up To 75% Off (Europe)
Absolute garbage.
Re: Gallery: Behold, The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword Joy-Con
I aint buying a single new Joy-Con until they re-design them and fix the drift.
This new release doesn't give me much hope for that...
Re: The 3DS Game Miitopia Is Coming To Nintendo Switch This May
Earlier: This looks interesting I never played the original!
Sees price: ... NEXT!
Re: Former Nintendo Employee Howard Phillips Is Launching A "Tell-All" Book About The Company
What a pity it doesn’t ship to Europe! Would have loved to back this.
Re: Random: Dataminers Use Original Uncompressed Samples To Restore Super Mario World's Soundtrack
That’s not “restoring”, it’s rebuilding.