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Hacking Group Claims To Have Discovered Wii U Homebrew Exploit

Posted by Damien McFerran

Hack to the future

Update:

This article has been updated to reflect that Wii U Hax is a news website that has tested the work of others, as opposed to being a "hacking group", with two additional amendments in square brackets.

Original Article:

Every piece of gaming tech is potentially hackable, but so far the Wii U has proven to be a tough nut to crack. There have been attempts of course, but according to Nintendo these have come to nothing.

It would now appear that the situation has dramatically changed. A news site known as "Wii U Hax" has revealed that it has tested an exploit to access the Wii U hardware — through the Wii mode, at least — and is proudly claiming that this is [a potential] beginning of the Wii U homebrew scene.

It's not known if the hack grants full access to the hardware, but Wii U Hax believes that the exploit can't be patched by Nintendo without releasing a new hardware model of the console.

System integrity has always been a key aim for Nintendo — especially after the piracy-packed days of the DS and Wii — and the company has clearly made things harder with the 3DS and Wii U. System updates can be effectively employed to block any potential weaknesses, but if what this [source article] is saying is correct, this is one hole that may be impossible to plug.

[via neogaf.com]

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User Comments (130)

StarDust4Ever

#2

StarDust4Ever said:

This is both awesome news for potential homebrewers but a blow to gamers at the same time. Be prepared for endless waves of patches... :p

Pinecallado

#6

Pinecallado said:

Come on hackers, please don't release this exploit out into the public. The Wii U needs every last game sale it can squeeze right now. I know many people will say that it will be just intended for homebrew but homebrew always leads to piracy 150% of the time.

Piracy is not good for a system that's still struggling to move a lot of software sales.

LavaTwilight

#8

LavaTwilight said:

Nintendo are a company of integrity and loyalty to their most loyal customers: they've proven that time and time again! At worst they'll ask all Wii-U owners to return their WiiU's to them so they can supply us with a new WiiU and allow all data to be transferred over. They did it before with the original NES (minus data transfer of course, though they did supply us with a free game). There's no reason they won't do that again.

SanderEvers

#9

SanderEvers said:

but Wii U Hax believes that the exploit can't be patched by Nintendo without releasing a new hardware model of the console.

The same was said of the Twilight hack in the day. Which wasn't true.

FullbringIchigo

#10

FullbringIchigo said:

and again people who have nothing better to do will ruin it for everyone, if third partys were having a hard time justfying making Wii U games before they won't be making any now if the console hack can't be undone

really these hackers need to stop they are just making it worse for everyone gamers, publishers and developers alike

jjmesa16

#11

jjmesa16 said:

It has nothing to do with the article but nice picture. I believe it's from War Games. I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

Vriess

#12

Vriess said:

Why talk about homebrew when everybody knows that hacked consoles are never used for that? People are gonna pirate games, plain and simple! Go ahead and brick them consoles Nintendo!

ZeroZX_Dev

#13

ZeroZX_Dev said:

@FullbringIchigo Preach it!
I like homebrew as much as the next guy, but it'll only take a while before games get dumped onto the internet leading to piracy. Wii U Hax staff, if you're reading this: I hope you realized you've opened a can of worms.
Some one report this to Nintendo quickly. I'm sorry guys, but this is not the time hacking :(.

defrb

#14

defrb said:

Thats bad news for Nintendo.
This will make it even more unintresting for devolpers to support the wiiu.
When its possible to homebrew you can also run pirated games, nintendo is doomed when this news is true.

Andyliini

#16

Andyliini said:

How many times has it been now?

There are so many times before I have heard this, yet nothing ever surfaces for real.

dizzy_boy

#17

dizzy_boy said:

Doesn't suprise me. It was bound to happen eventually.
Another thing, I have noticed that boosters on black ops 2 have found a glitch on standoff recently.

Sean_Aaron

#18

Sean_Aaron said:

I don't understand the need/desire for home brew on the Wii U given the low entry bar to official development on the system. Even if true I expect this to attract little to no interest outside of a handful of hobbyists/importers.

MAB

#20

MAB said:

Well 2014 is the year of ↓

Untitled

3DS is also doomed because Nintendo have to pay Tomita Industries USA for each unit sold and developers don't have any plans for games next year ;)

bmprsvz777

#21

bmprsvz777 said:

Sean Aaron you are absolutely right, what would people actually pirate on this doomed system, those 75 games of which 50% is shovelware? Virtual Wii part of Wii U is hackable since launch and nobody really cares... Why would people bother to hack Wii U when they can buy games for 5 euro?

Kaze_Memaryu

#22

Kaze_Memaryu said:

I'm not buying it. Just like the DS Mode on 3DS, the WiiU's Wii Mode runs in an isolated sandbox, and the only means of communication are the 'Return to WiiU' channel (which simply force-reboots the WiiU), and the Data Transfer (which is regulated by Nintendo's online verification).
Also, there's barely any reason to do this other than potentially playing games illegally, since not a single japan-only game is in high enough demand outside to even import it - not even Monster Hunter FG (monthly fee and IP-region check shoo all of them away).

@SanderEvers Not exactly true - of course the exploit itself in the firmware was patched, and all copies of Twilight Princess after the second print have it removed, but the Twilight hack was 'patched' as well (ironic, huh?) to work on later firmwares, as long as it was the right print of TP. The Twilight hack is still a valid exploit, even on the latest Wii models (well, except for the Wii mini, apparently).

Faustek

#25

Faustek said:

@kevfrei nope, its your own system on top of another system. have an old Xbox that I only ran xbmc on(video stuff) but let's be honest we're just a few that do that 99.99% only want to pirate games :(

kevfrei

#26

kevfrei said:

@Faustek I see! I guess my image of homebrew only included the typical "get hundreds of games free" user!:O thanks for the enlightenment!

Starwolf_UK

#27

Starwolf_UK said:

Oh noes its bad news its over, those 3 million Wii U will never be sold now...

Please understand what this is. The bootrom has been dumped through a different route than before. You can't do much with the bootrom except compare it with a buddies one to see if it matches (it does suggesting you've done it). Yes through understanding all of this you might be able to figure out how to make something better work but is far from piracy (I heard about a year ago a Wii U modchip was in development, modchips will always be the far easier route to piracy).

Notice how this and the previous group have not released an exact method of how they did it.

If you were interested in how the previous group did it then watch this talk:
http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/console-hacking-2013-omake.html
It is really interesting and goes into and various methods they were able to extract data (including using the sensor bar). Basically there are design flaws which make all the hard work in the security moot. At least as far as dumping the bootrom goes.

As for the whole "but why?". Marcan wrote about what this meant which was quoted here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=102031256&postcount=190

Please, continue crying wolf about Nintedoom everyone...

@Sean_Aaron Is the Wii U region free? But otherwise I agree, low entry to development and it being much easier to prove yourself via various app marketplaces (Desura, Android, App Store etc) make the motive for homebrew a bit low (likewise the existence of cheap media boxes means you don't need a media player).

Faustek

#28

Faustek said:

@kevfrei no worries, me myself would love to use it for DQX. Have a VPN ready and waiting. I just can't justify it to myself to import a Wii U for one game only and I really don't want the U to suffer more :/

Oh well back to pestering Nintendo about ending region lock and allow LPs :)

kevfrei

#29

kevfrei said:

@Faustek Lol nice. I would like to see a less strict Miiverse.. I asked if anyone wanted to play Mass Effect 3 and got flagged for "Attempting to connect with users outside of Miiverse"... C'mon, really?? 😫

Chris720

#30

Chris720 said:

Not surprised, especially through the Wii mode. My best guess is Nintendo will issue a recall and replace them with a more up to date hardware version to get around this problem.

Or, y'know, give up the ghost and create a new console all together. ;)

Sean_Aaron

#31

Sean_Aaron said:

@Starwolf_UK It's not region-free, but there's not much in the way of Japanese exclusives that are tempting unless you're mental for taiko drum games (the three I have for my Japanese Wii are plenty).

Anyway even if they cannot block the hack they can make it difficult or impossible to use your Wii U for normal use once hacked. I certainly don't see how it's worth it.

blikmansch

#32

blikmansch said:

StarWolf_UK was quicker than me, but he is right: this hacking group only managed to do something that the fail0verflow people already presented in December, that will not really help you running Wii U Homebrew and/or piracy. The fail0verflow people also published an interesting post where they explain why they feel that setting up a homebrew scene for the Wii U is not worth the effort (at least, for the moment): http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2013/espresso.html

cfgk24

#33

cfgk24 said:

Hackers = Boring. . I support Nintendo Integrity - Not Hackers ability to degrade the Market which leads to a less quality experience over the years for us all. . .

RadioShadow

#35

RadioShadow said:

Because of the Wii HomeBrew Channel, I was able to recover my GameCube save files from my corrupted GameCube memory Card. Nintendo would have done bugger all!

The only thing I would like to see is the region lock stuff removed.

Actually, with the HomeBrew Channel installed on the Wii U V mode, you can play original US / JP game on it. Another point to them!

fluggy

#37

fluggy said:

My Wii U has been hacked for months in Wii mode... Not for piracy ... For homebrew and mplayer media player.

Spoony_Tech

#40

Spoony_Tech said:

Also for them to clam it's not patchable is a old statemant I wouldn't trust. If it can be hacked it can be patched.

Fearsome

#41

Fearsome said:

I hope this isn't true. If it is I hope that Nintendo will brick there consoles if they attempt screw around with online play.

Splashman

#42

Splashman said:

Good. It always pleases me to see more developments in that direction. I'm of the firm belief that once you've bought a device, it should be yours to use and modify, be it under official terms, homebrew, region unlocking, piracy or whatever the hell you please.

The WiiU hacker team at 30C3 also personally stated, they'd rather enable the device for homebrew alone than piracy. But according to them, piracy on modern consoles is much easier to pull off than homebrew, and the interest in WiiU homebrew use and development isn't very high to begin with. So there...

Boidoh

#43

Boidoh said:

If its through Wii Mode can't Nintendo just rid of that and combine it with the regular Wii U Menu to get rid of the problem?

Anneke

#44

Anneke said:

Nintendo was very nice by giving us backward compatibility and now the hackers use it to hack it:(

nomeacuerdo

#46

nomeacuerdo said:

I'm among the people that believes that this could help to push more than a couple of units, and that is what Nintendo is needing badly right now.

Faustek

#47

Faustek said:

@PrincessEevee9 As i said, it isn't bad.

It's people that are bad/stupid and pirate. But I can see why you think like you do. During the GC/Wi/PS2/Og Xbox days i ran chipped or xbmc(Xbox) and it was only to play imported or media. Never pirated. Should add i had a well paying job the last 20 years so I never felt tempted.

And as soon as they find a chip/brew that allows me to play DQX without importing another system I'll jump on that. As soon as they find how to break region locking on 3DS I'll jump on that. I refuse to pay for a fourth 3DS to play my imported games.

If that means everyone will ignore my.collection and deem me a pirate? Well please sod of.

Chi

#49

Chi said:

Throw them in jail and a massive fine.
Make a system update that detects this hack and brick any system caught.
People who steal games are criminals

DarkNinja9

#51

DarkNinja9 said:

so let me get this straight for many ppl saying the wii u is doomed and article after article of ppl hating on the wii u yet omg... suddenly ppl are actually trying to hack the wii u and if they succeed will use it... what? a console that is so doomed that they rather not even touch it is getting attention :o

DarkNinja9

#52

DarkNinja9 said:

ok but on a serious note maybe this hack can be useful and there can be more things done on the wii u or on the gamepad that you can do right now :P

Chi

#53

Chi said:

@Tsuzura
That is not te way this hack will be used.
I have nothing against un region locking.
But 99 percent of people will use this to steal-Wake Up!

rjejr

#54

rjejr said:

So let me get this straight - Wii outsells PS3 and Xbox360 - even after the homebrew scene has taken off, and piracy did nothing to stop Wii sales - but having a homebrew scene on Wii U is going to keep people from buying 1?

Piracy if just a big business excuse. It's an excuse for DRM - which only usually makes life annoying for law abiding citizens - I'm thinking of PC games, here, not consoles - while the criminally inclined laugh at it. Now if EA wants they can say - "We aren't supporting Wii U b/c of the hack". It's just an excuse. The Wii didn't sell poorly b/c it was hacked, the Wii U isn't selling poorly b/c it was hacked. Most people don't care. The people pirating games probably weren't going to buy them anyway, hardly any sales are lost. It's just an excuse for corporations to say and do what they want. It's like nobody on this board has ever read 1984.

And for anybody taking the time to post on a gaming board website - "don't these people have anything better to do?" - I think trying to decipher a supposedly unbreakable code is a much better use of time than posting. I wish I had the acumen for the task. I wouldn't release the exploit - b/c I don't want to go to jail - but breaking an unbreakable code seems like a worthwhile endeavour to me. Those people probably actually have future job prospects once they grow up.

unrandomsam

#55

unrandomsam said:

@Sean_Aaron I have the japanese version of the Metal Slug Collection (Classic controller support no other version has this). Milestone Shooting Collection 2 (2 extra games than the US one which would still be an import). And numbers 2-4 of the Hudson presents Gamecube series. (Wish I had got the japanese Castle of Shingami 3 as I would rather have never known the story). Japan still likes game like games.

kuribo4

#56

kuribo4 said:

If the console gets hacked, it's really dead. Smells like Dreamcast. Piracy killed the console.

Beetlejuice

#57

Beetlejuice said:

@kuribo4

I guess it was just a coincidence that the three most easily hacked consoles (Wii, DS, PS2) are also the highest selling of all time?

unrandomsam

#58

unrandomsam said:

@Chi The criminal thing is distribution. (Or at least it used to be). Shouldn't be able to go to jail for a civil offense. Things do seem to have changed though. These first steps seem to have much in common with what Codemasters and Accolade did which was deamed totally OK.

unrandomsam

#59

unrandomsam said:

@kuribo4 No it didn't. Sega running out of money killed it. Files were too big to get practically until it was already dead. The print runs were so small for lots of games that lots of people who wanted to buy games couldn't.

Poketendo

#62

Poketendo said:

I was gonna give my opinion on these hackers, but the comment was too long to post and had way to many bad words in it. But long story short, I F****** HATE THOSE F****** HACKERS! THOSE F****** IDIOTS RUIN EVERYTHING GOOD! "But games are so expensive" THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BECAUSE NOBODY BUYS GAMES ANYMORE!!!

Unca_LzStaff

#64

Unca_Lz said:

"The people pirating games probably weren't going to buy them anyway, hardly any sales are lost."

Just like anyone who steals from a store wasn't going to buy that merchandise anyway. Nothing lost there!

LUIGITORNADO

#65

LUIGITORNADO said:

@rjejr

Not matter how you frame it, stealing is stealing. Piracy, which is what hacks are most used for, is unethical and wrong. Why should some people have to pay for software, while others think they can get a free pass because "they were not interested in the first place?"

Chris720

#68

Chris720 said:

@theadrock13 Do what exactly? Bridge the gap between hardcore and casual players?

Unfortunately Nintendo needs to wake up. The casual market they once controlled is gone, over run by tablets and phones. The only viable market they can grab hold of now is die hard Nintendo fan boys and the "self proclaimed hardcore" gamers, in other words, graphic jerks and "it needs more power!"

They need a console that can cater for that market now. But I'm done, I'll stick with the previous generation, I don't like where gaming is going. Full of hackers and graphic/power snobs.

AVahne

#69

AVahne said:

If they can make a block on pirated games, more people would probably be glad about this. Personally, I'd love to use the hacks to potentially change background images, remove the mistake known as region-lock, and perhaps unlock blu-ray playback (if the disc drive is indeed some kind of modified BD drive). Would also be great if they can figure out how to get Wii U-formatted harddrives to work on PC and get a homebrew media player on Wii U so that movies and music saved on the harddrive could be played.
Basically, doing all the things that will make Ninty's console less of a paperweight in this era.

TheAdrock

#70

TheAdrock said:

@Chris720 Yes. Bridge the gap and all that, but also be a central media hub for your TV room. TVii sucks; the U is so slow that if I want to look up something on the internet or Youtube by the time the U's browser starts I could have gotten up, grabbed by Android phone, done my search, and watched the video; my $99 Sony BluRay player has more free streaming content than the U; using the Gamepad as a TV remote / show grid directory would be excellent... if it worked. Among other failings of the U. The U would have been a great console in like 2009-10, but they sat on the Wii for too long and lost traction. I long for Nintendo to revisit what made them great in the 80s-90s: top tier hardware with top tier games. Nobody could ever claim that the Wii or the U was anything other than underpowered hardware from the start.

UnseatingKDawg

#71

UnseatingKDawg said:

Hackers like these make me wonder whether they actually do something important with their time... like a job, or something.

FireHorsePrime

#74

FireHorsePrime said:

Nintendo will just brick the console if there's any hint of corruption. Not to mention your e-shop account will probably be DOA. Not worth it just to play burns of Super Mario Galaxy or run emulators. I buy my games legitimately and there are still so many I haven't gotten to yet. But some people need more more more and without paying for it. Sad.

JoostinOnline

#75

JoostinOnline said:

This isn't a step forward. Wii U Hax exaggerated the whole thing. All we did was dump the bootrom, which doesn't bring us any closer.

FireHorsePrime

#76

FireHorsePrime said:

@theadrock13 I understand what you're saying but I have to point out that Nintendo has never had top tier hardware, with the possible exception of the N64 which was kind of a fluke/mutant/gamble all rolled into one. The NES was not top of the line tech when it was released, they just had larger and better games than what you could find on the other 8 bit systems, and with Sega's 16bit genesis there was no comparison. As the Genesis wasn't technically strong enough, the Amiga and Atari ST were blazing through 16bit gaming by the time the SNES arrived. The Gamecube was trying to be a playstation without DVD, and the Wii was a control gimmick that paid off but still the hardware wasn't revolutionary. Nintendo has never been on the forefront of technology, but they HAVE been at the forefront of providing great games, and that should always be their focus. I just hope that games can pull the Wii U out of it's rut because it's getting very sad to watch.

Chris720

#77

Chris720 said:

@theadrock13 I think becoming the central media hub of your living room is a very difficult thing for Nintendo to do. They've always been known to make games and that's all they're really good at.

If they want to branch into multimedia for their consoles, they really need to step up their a game and bring about some sort of cloud service for starters. Not to mention a more powerful console to bring up apps far quicker. But why bother with Nintendo when Sony and Microsoft already have all of this up and running right now.

I think Nintendo has been dragging it's heels for far too long now. They really need to come out with all fists swinging if they want to be on top again.

Beetlejuice

#78

Beetlejuice said:

@Unca_Lz

Exactly! Like 3D Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, 2D Mario, Wii Sports, Smash Bros...the same stuff over and over! It's killing the industry!

JoostinOnline

#79

JoostinOnline said:

Also, we aren't named Wii U Hax. That's the name of the website that first blew this out of proportion.

rjejr

#81

rjejr said:

@LUIGITORNADO - Stealing is stealing. Tinkering around w/ hardware and software that you presumably own is not. Probably everybody who ever took a shop class and worked on a car in the 1950's learned how to hot wire one, but you can't arrest them all just b/c they know how to hot wire a car. Arrest all the software thieves you want, I don't see hacking - ie breaking encryption - as a crime. Neither is gun ownership. Any tool can be used in a criminal act. I go w/ presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Blue-Thunder

#82

Blue-Thunder said:

I hacked my second Wii a couple of weeks ago. Ya know I downloaded about 300 euro worth of VC games to my first Wii and it's still in use so why should I pay to have them on my second Wii? so I hacked it and I'm happy. I have spent a flipping fortune on Nintendo in the last 20 plus years, so no I don't feel guilty I'm delighted.

Now I just wish someone would port project64 to the Wii because the N64 emu it has is pants.

ledreppe

#84

ledreppe said:

I home brewed my Wii, but I don't feel the compulsion to do it with the Wii U.

NintendoROCKET

#85

NintendoROCKET said:

I believe hacking should be completely legal BUT NOT piracy or anything that actually has to do w/money or less sales! I definitely love hacking & think you should be able to (example)hack a game you already own!

TheAdrock

#87

TheAdrock said:

@FireHorsePrime, I know what you're sayin. In the late 80s their slogan was "Now you're playing with power"; you could play Capcom arcade games at home; they had the Powerglove (which nobody bought but it sure seemed cool); there was the NES Advantage controller (for real arcade feel), and the NES MAX for button mashing speed, etc. Their commercials were everywhere. N was able to get all the 3rd party devs and the public perception was that NES was power. None of those qualities apply to N today. Everybody knows the U is the weakest console, 3rdP devs aren't taking the risk, and nobody has seen a decent commercial for the U in months. (I'm 40 and watch Cartoon Network often.)

@Chris720 "They really need to come out with all fists swinging if they want to be on top again." Yup. The market wants great games, but it also seems to want great graphics, so why not deliver what people want? I think the U is deadman walking at this point and I only hope they pour some cash into bringing out a new console that will attract all the 3PD. "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door." Microsoft and Sony aren't going to have a new console for at least another 5 years (?) so launch a better mousetrap ASAP so all the FPS and FLOPs geeks can j**k each other off about it.
A Nintendo console that was as easy to dev and port as PS or Xbox, had better performance values than those, could play all the Nintendo games that we all love, had no monthly service fee, Wiimotes, Gamepad, and could function as a true media hub with DVR option... how could it not dominate? Sorry for the long rant.

Chris720

#89

Chris720 said:

@theadrock13 It's so true. Nintendo has the best games on the market right now, and they'll never go out of fashion. They could quite literally kick Sony and Microsoft out of the ballpark if they threw out a high end console for the power crazed developers out there, the "hardcore" nerds would ditch Sony and Microsoft quicker than a bag of weed cornered by the police.

Nintendo just need to get their fingers out and just go in swinging until they're the only one in the room. But knowing Nintendo, or at least Iwata, this isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Nobody would care what the cost of the console is, if it's high powered, has ultra HD Mario and plays everybody's Call of Doody, everyone will be flocking.

AlbertoC

#91

AlbertoC said:

Warning users who want to use flashcards or modify the original firmware to run code not approved by Nintendo that their consoles might brick completely was definitely the way to go. That's how a company handles piracy and I absolutely like it.

On the other hand, if this news means opening the possibility of taking complete control of the Wii U hardware without circumventing cryptographic and hard-coded security measures that protect copyrighted content, count me in. I'd really like a Skype client on the Wii U, and it's unlikely Microsoft would license or develop one.

I defend the idea of being the complete owner of the hardware I have, all while respecting the rights and markets of the owners of the software that run on it.

tanookisuit

#94

tanookisuit said:

I think it's baseless boasting without real proof. If they can prove they got the key then I hope Nintendo calls a locksmith and slams it shut, even if it means an internal hardware revision. It's early enough on now they'd have vastly more systems out there that aren't open to abuse it would limit the damages.

jayclayx

#95

jayclayx said:

people are talking nonsense, if I am not mistaken there are several exploits on 3ds and wii U but all of them are actually pretty useless since there is no way to run decrypt code to run unsigned apps leave alone piracy loaders.

R_Champ

#96

R_Champ said:

@SanderEvers

Yeah, I think it's more boasting than actual fact at this point. Sure, they may have an un-blockable hack, but more likely they just want people to be like "Wow, Mr. Overweight Hacker/Pirate, you're amazing!" instead of "it could brick my system just so I can be a fat wuss like you and cheat online in Mario Kart and steal games like some PC elitists who think stealing somehow supports devs? Screw that!" LOL, maybe I'm a little too hateful against hackers.

Capt_N

#97

Capt_N said:

I wonder if pirates have started playing head games w/ Nintendo? Really find no exploit, but trying to see if Nintendo themselves can/will find an exploit area that needs to be patched. In turn, hackers then know a vulnerability that Nintendo found for them, & all they had to do, was trick Nintendo into fine-tooth combing their (own) code, & release a patch, that points the hackers exactly in the code, where the exploit flaw was.

AlbertoC

#98

AlbertoC said:

@Senario Most probably. There will always be people making the worst of good works. Way more people are excited that this could enable on the run memory modifiers (Or in other words, cheats) or play pirated games more than removing region lock, using the Wii U as a Blu-ray player or running a Skype client on it.

@R_Champ While many technical details haven't been released, and it might be so that they can analyze the ways Nintendo could patch / break it, you're not far from the truth in that it could just be boasting unless they show a real proof of concept instead of just binary dumps. I don't get where the "overweight" comments came from, though.

Senario

#99

Senario said:

@AlbertoC I am not so sure about that, most people don't mod their stuff for extra programs when they could just use a laptop. However, they will if they have free games because pirating. You would need to back up your claim a bit better because honestly? There are so many pirates out there

Dauntless

#100

Dauntless said:

Those of you who are complaining about the poor devs that are going to skip the system because of piracy, wake up. They already skipped the Wii U (without a piracy problem). Even with piracy the Wii had more third party support than the Wii U does without piracy.

AlbertoC

#101

AlbertoC said:

Richard Stallman came to my university last year and made me think about a lot of these things. I'm just expressing my ideals, not forcing them upon anyone nor analyzing the moral fiber of the average Joe to know what these things could be used for.

swampertdude

#102

swampertdude said:

Personally I can't wait for this to be released to the public, homebrew is always fun to mess with, and I loved having homebrew on my Wii, hopefully we'll see better quality homebrew this time around.

That and it'll push consoles. Haters gonna hate

fluggy

#103

fluggy said:

@SanderEvers
The twilight hack was only patched if u updated your official firmware ..... Which u never had to do (even to play online!!!)

JaxonH

#106

JaxonH said:

I have a soft-modded Wii. I don't use it for anything illegal though. I ALWAYS support the developers and Nintendo. I am, however, a collector, and collector's don't like to scratch their discs. Wii discs were thin and easily scuffed up in the drive, so playing from hard drive prevented my Wii AND Gamecube collection from being devalued (completely legal to copy content from personally owned disc here in the US for single backup). So I can understand certain benefits to this.

However, Wii U discs are much thicker and more resilient to damage. I have not once seen a scratch on any of my discs from playing them in the drive. And as such, I have no desire to modify the Wii U. I have no reason to.

I'm also well aware of the negatives associated with soft-modding. While there are legitimate uses, the fact is along with that will most certainly come piracy. I'd much rather not see the homebrew scene hit the Wii U for that reason. I understand the benefits, but I don't feel they're worth the cost.

unrandomsam

#107

unrandomsam said:

@Senario When Wii Homebrew Started there wasn't really much to use as a network media player and stuff like that. (Like a Roku or whatever now that are dirt cheap and miles better these days for that sort of thing). XBMC was similar for the original Xbox. As a group the most skilled people are pretty anti piracy (And it will be much more dangerous to mess around with it without the basic stuff to recover etc). There is plenty of devices you can put homebrew on now. That wasn't the case then.

Marioman64

#109

Marioman64 said:

isn't this old? while I was trying to figure out how to stop my wii mode from giving me a corrupted file error (maintenance mode is magically btw), I bumped into a thing that said to put some file on your sd card, load brawl and load the stage editor, and BAM, homebrew channel. Obviously not gonna try it since it's a current updating console, but it's interesting stuff

JaxonH

#110

JaxonH said:

@unrandomsam

Yeah it is what it is. To the Wii U's credit, I think the optical drive is much more reliable than that on the Wii, and the Wii had a decent optical drive, albeit not great (compared to other consoles with high fail rates). Still, I get what you're saying. I like preserving my optical drives too. I don't think it'll be an issue though. In November 2018, I'll buy Nintendo's 9th gen console which will be backwards compatible with Wii U, where I can start all over again with a fresh optical drive on a fresh system.

HMNIM

#111

HMNIM said:

@Chris720 honesty, what you dont understand is nintendo has realised that for them, it doesnt work. even before the wii, the wiiu. third party refused to develop for the gamecube. that system was a freaking powerhouse, yet no one would give it a chance at all. thats the reason the wii happened. the wii worked, and so nintendo decided to go with it with the wiiu, BUT THE WIIU WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE CASUAL. the release of the system was an example of how they were aiming for the hardcore. yet it was still ignored, without any news on the xbone and ps4 specs. the reason the oter systems are selling is because their so easy to develop for. the wiiu has custom hardware. which has recently been discovered to have more ram then the XBONE. nintendo knows how to make a good system, for themselves and people who wish to support them. the wiiu will survive, maybe as a gamecube, but it will. for the future, who knows. but nintendo isnt going anywhere, and considering its worth more then sony, i think its doing a fine job following themselves. also stop the iwata hate! im sick and tired of everyone blaming just him. obviously hes not the only one who calls the shots. its nintendo as a whole, not just him. seriously. you act as though iwata didnt cause the wii and ds to succeed....http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Memory-Bandwidth-GPU-More-Powerful-Than-We-Thought-62437.html

JoostinOnline

#112

JoostinOnline said:

@UnseatingKDawg First off, you don't know anything about me. Second, I feel like you are suggesting I'm pro-piracy, which isn't true. Third, this article is completely wrong, and I've asked the author to fix it, but so far I've gotten no response. This doesn't bring us any closer to running tri-core Linux on the Wii U.

FineLerv

#113

FineLerv said:

Well... that's a shame. Pirates have accelerated the demise of systems in the past.

JoostinOnline

#116

JoostinOnline said:

@FineLerv I just wish that the author would listen instead of making us sound like arrogant fools who brag about doing something useless, and make ridiculous claims like it's the start of homebrew. It's very insulting.

unrandomsam

#117

unrandomsam said:

@HMNIM The Gamecube had Capcom / Sega / Factor 5. The best 3rd parties - actually making games for the hardware or doing very high quality ports. Didn't need any more and there is stuff across pretty much all genres.

unrandomsam

#118

unrandomsam said:

@Unca_Lz When something is stolen from a store something is lost i.e the store no longer has it. That is why copyright infringement is not the same thing.

Vanya

#120

Vanya said:

@Chi
Read up on what's actually being done. There's no piracy here.
Moreover, the system security on the Wii U was shattered 30 days after it was released and the hackers have specifically withheld the information to give Nintendo a chance sell systems without an all out rush to make backups playable. As a matter of fact, they are saying they won't even continue working unless someone can come up with a way to run linux on WiiU so you can do all the homebrew you want without risking piracy.

Incidentally the only legal thing you can do to a console hacker is void their warranty. There is nothing illegal about modifying your hardware.

Espeondude

#121

Espeondude said:

Is it wrong if I use this to back up my virtual console games on my wii? There's no way I'm paying 60 dollars to get my games back. :/

shenmue86

#123

shenmue86 said:

This is great news. Generally more consoles sell once hacked, but less games which is the down side but I'd love to not pay for wii u games. awesome

LavaTwilight

#126

LavaTwilight said:

@Uberchu
I've searched online and can't find any info on it but then the internet wasn't really around back then to report it. I remember them doing it for me though and they did it for a friend of mine too. I don't need any other source to tell me they did or didn't do it.

VvVLuffyM2

#129

VvVLuffyM2 said:

@shenmue86 then you sir are an a**hole for wanting to play these games for free while we people who want to support the wii u as best we can are willing to drop the money. its people like you that make me hate humanity sometimes.

ecstanley

#130

ecstanley said:

I know I will more than likely get flamed to death for this ... but just because a system is hacked (you forgot to mention PC and MAC and smartphones) does not mean that it is for illegal purposes. I have a WII itself that was homebrewed, But have not ONCE put a game on it I did not pay for... MY only purpose for doing this was to play games that were not compatible region wise. It is not the hack(ers) that is bad... it is the people that chose to exploit the Hack for purposes of getting something for nothing. Honestly I hope they do not find a way around the system with the WII U ... but if they do ... OK cool. does not mean you have to use it.... ok I've said my spill... let the attacks begin lol :)

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