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Simple explanations;

If the game is funded/published by another company/corporation, it's not indie. However, the franchise could still be indie if the rights belong to said company.

If the company owns any other developers or deals in publishing other games. They are not indie. Size does not matter here.

If Nintendo was only EAD and made Mario/Zelda games, it'd fall under that category. Buuuuut, Nintendo has many studios and investments. So Mario, though in-house, is not indie by default.

Nexon falls into the latter.

@DanijoEX-the-Pierrot - That would imply a much larger sales numbers, though. Even considering the majority (as I said before) would likely be revisiters.

It's pretty common for a region of potential buyers to simply not adopt a re-release of a game that never reached their market respectively. Otherwise we would loke be seeing much larger numbers for games like Famicom Detective Club.

Yes.

Then again, I am a man who'd buy a Rolling Western Collection too

I don't think this would shock anyone. SMRPG is a really niche for a Mario game, you are essentially selling the bulk of it to those who played and loved the original.

That, and RPGs as a whole don't get as much excitement as they used to. Couple that with a classic Mario overwhadowing everything, SMRPG is just going to trail behind.

Active development for 2 post-launch years? That doesn't add up.

Regardless, the game has made good stride, it is no surprise they need to let the project go after reaching its initial sales peak. Their roster is comparable tp a lot of indie fighters, too. More would just drain finances, not recover.

Obviously they're still in it for a longer haul, with the game still remaining on servers. Maybe TFH2 would ignite more to take up the series.

@roy130390 - I feel like that was an indirect swipe at me. Perhaps my statement needs more clarification;

I am not opposed to massive worlds, honestly welcome them. I'd also argue that outside of Banjo-Kazooie, Yooka-Laylee does a cohesive feeling world building pretty well. The worlds do not feel like they're either disconnected to the universe and float aimlessly in skybox voids.

My problem is there are challenges and area of the worlds, like Glitterglaze, that if you die you aren't just tossed to the back of the challenge, if you didn't enter/exit the closest door (which is how theu do checkpoints), you are sent back to the start. Like much of the other worlds, that depletes you fast. Unlocking some form of travel like in B-K, or a checkpoint system in Oddyssey is probably going to alleviate most of that struggle.

It's probably the only real complaint I have about the first game, outside that last boss. Even then I am on the fence if the mechanics were too punishing or not.

Honestly, the biggest gripe with YK was the massive size of the worlds and now real fast travel or even checkpoints.

There will be times you can travel across the vast tundra for a challenge, die and end up at the last entrance ypu went through, sometimes on the polar opposite of the map. Sucks the life right out of ya for it.

The sooner this is out, the sooner Rage Wars can be next.

This upsets me.

Way to so quickly kill a franchise I love so dearly before you even make the next game.

@nessisonett - THQ got the go ahead from their biggest investors, one being Mattel at the time.

The moment the cracks shown, they bailed immediately. Same practice, smaller scale (in comparison, but still bad).

Not saying any of this to justify Embracer, basically making THQ Nordiq experience the same events. Just saying it happens way more than we make ourselves believe. Maybe because the social media era where everything that needs to be talked about is current and we are just risidual byproducts of it, but this strategy has happened waaay too many times in the industry.

Hell, even I forgot about Gamecock. Glorified flashbang of a company.

@nessisonett - THQ most definitely did.

Midway attempted to sell all their assets off to pocket the moneu to the C level employees while failing to pay anyone else.

@nessisonett - Not the worst, just the most recent.

How quickly we forgot THQ and Midway.

Anyone else actually surprised it's... Much smaller than you'd expect out of Ubisoft?

If he sticks around, he may need to work on a bit of his gruffness.

He sounds a bit off now.

@TCKuma - Riot Forge is probably the only way I will experience LoL from here on out. That community is heavily tainted to its meta.

Plus, it's sort of hard to emphasize its lore in a game where the only goals is pummel your opponents' teams.

Honestly, was sort of hoping the series would essentially be isolated cases as opposed to a deidcated, multi-game arc like they attempted here.

Would have been a good way to keep making them as demanded, or simply just stop when the community has had enough.

@mattesdude - Well, not only that, but they would have to prove in court that damages happened.

Hard to do when a system has been out of manufacturing for so long Nintendo has no money in it. It's all second hand sales.

Hell, the only way they can do that is have some level of game previously on the N64 coming, or already on, the the Switch. Something they currently don't have outside NSO.

@Arcata - That is what I am talking about.

It's wild when you think about it, though. The more digitizing the current era pushes, the more the indie scene reaches backwards in tech. Similar to how vinyl sort of just... Bursted back on scene.

Breaking the barrier of region locks has my attention.

Also, odd timing to finally get my Worms Armageddon from LRG this morning.

Maybe this may make some indies give N64 development a try, as well.

@dystome - Me and a friend were talking about how they have tried multiple other companies to buy. But we also saw a trend with the big buyouts with Bathesda and AB with harassment controversies that lower the price a bit and they scoop them up. There is theories that this could be a tactic MS played to do so, which companies of such magnitude have done before as well in other industries.

You'd be surprised what a fully recolored console makes a dude do.

I have 4 Switches in my household now cause of it.

@SBandy1 - Gotta also factor in the legs of each. Sony jas a habit of dropping prices immediately 6+ months or so, so there will be a few who noticed that pattern and decide to wait.

Whereas Nintendo has no such track record. So the sales will, more or less, be when the consumer sees it as convenient to finally pick it up.

No.

The moment in college I realized how little control I had of my digital music library made me greatly appreciate the level of control physical media offers.

Also, there is no fundamental way to "legally" acquire the Rolling Western again. So a a DigiSwitch is just an absolute no.

@GameOtaku - It's not about losing money on the cartridge. This is a out losing money on the second hand market.

This is intentional to open up opportunities to resell the game, in another collection down the road, with no real concern of the older game being "just 5 bucks," since there will likely be not supporting the older system when that time comes, essentially mass-killing off their "physical" releases remotely.

Even the discs, massive in their size, are not being utilized on the new systems. Because that future proofs their repeated investment to the game.

Like DRM, just not as blatant.

This does not look like it yees any sort of haw.

That's easy; You make an entire new list and proclaim Nintendo never cared about the community.

Just the way internet likes it!

But honestly, surprised Nintendo didn't roll the original Paper Mario into it as well.

I finish a race, that right now is enough.

Because yikes.

Imagine there is a timeline where Mario Odyssey is cloud Game Pass exclusive, and Mario Maker needs a premium membership to dowbload other people's levels.

You can take the man out of EA, but you can't take the EA out of the man.

@Orpheus79V - Digital only, service reliant, minimal options and modes, player base reliant.

Pretty sure those aren't exactly what the fans wanted when they wanted a new game to play years after the Switch's inevitable closure.

@DashKappei - Technically you can ALWAYS say that about every franchise ever. Like Nintendo Pro Wrestling, even though no game has been done for over 35 years.

But those leaks, and what fans wanted versus what they got. Definitely a monkey paw wish.

This is what that monkey paw gave us F-Zero fand when we wished for a new game.

Ah yes, the Dead Cells method.

Bravo.

@UltraZelda64 - Well, just because one thing is better than the other options, doesn't make the lesser evil option good. That's where my statement comes from.

Just not down with having legacy games accessible through services. Which, I am very confident on this, will eventually be placed on their cloud gaming service. We have seen other companies make things artificially temporary in the digital space, MS wouldn't be no stranger to that.

@fenlix - Dude, selling is almost always a matter of money. That's the whole perogative of selling anything. There is other agendas underneath it, agreed, but that's never a driving cause. No one ever sold their company on the simple basis that they liked the company's logo. Even Rare, who admitted they messed up yeard later, tried getting a bid war going between MS and Nintendo. That is not driven by alternatives to money.

And this debate was never about if they should be allowed to, as buying/selling has always been and forever will be. Just if it would be good for us the consumer. You can understand something and still not like it. MS is more than likely going to trim fat as they always have before with everyone under Activision soon enough.

It's weird, honestly, how stark of acceptance these moves are based on the company. It's as if MS could buy Embracer and suddenly Embracer would just be good.

PS: Obsidian and Double-Fine are not small companies.

@fenlix - Rare is the prime example, it's not "boiled down." You should see a few companies they bought up BEFORE X-Box is even a thing.

"Microsoft Game Studio" is a hodge-podge of a dozen smaller studios stitched together.

Since we are talking in terms how this may effect Nintendo, I used an example most Nintendo fans relate to. That's all.

But we can go down that direction; Obsidian, Arkane are most recent other console developers. 1C Company subsidiary of the same name (made Lords of Magic) is the oldest I can remember.

Also, if I was a CEO of a corpo game conglomerate, it would make sense to make as much money as possible and sell to the highest bidder. Creatives be damned, I would have a billion dollar parachute.

@Cashews - I didn't say "monopoly," did I? No, neither does Embracer.

Microsoft has a track record of not really utilizing their purchases. Rare remains one that MS actively ignored and slung its IPs on the wall til something stuck. And now Rare is just "The Pirate Studio." A similar practice Nintendo has with Retro, just with less slinging.

And just because you personally worked with MS does not imply Embracer is automatically a worse company to work for. Many major companies pull these liquidations when they fail on their investments, Bungie being a solid example.

Only reason we are taking note is because how fast Embracer launched its campaign.

@Cashews - I don't think making Game Pass the only refuge to play games a better scenario. Especially when you consider that GP will most certainly be the first thing X-Box moves onto the cloud based gaming they're doing.

And if retroactively changing things from the developer end, as we have seen with Skull Girls in recent memory, or any MMO since their peak, imagine not having a say about what Microsoft does to games you don't even own the rights to play.

At least with Embracer it was fundamentally third party, and possible for ports to more than one system. Microsoft can reneg at any time how far their games reach.

Happens when you go on a billionaire shopping spree. Sadly enough, I am guessing this potential buyer is Microsoft, which is not any better.

@King-Demon - I've noticed, and the style focus looks generic overall too. That's what my comment was about, how even a demon lady such as Nitara looks as unassuming as literally everyone else.

Makes me miss the spikes and metal savagery that MK reboot started. Feels like MK is trying to find themselves again... For the third time.

@SalvorHardin - More of a "You have to tell me scenes are from the 007 movie, as opposed to noticing it is actually from a 007 movie."

The characters seems to have that same sense. Which is basic fighting game, akin to basic action movie.

I don't think being basic and blendy is a plus in that regard, buuuuut it is a step forward from the punched mud looks of MK11.

That's.... Wait, THAT'S Nitara?!

Forget the celebrity super-imposition, that does not look like Nitara, period.

MK1 giving some real 007 Daniel Craig vibes.

Man, that new Saints Row really painted a target on them after the Embracer buyout.

This is why I hate, HATE major company buyouts. Most of these coming closures may been avoided if the companies were indipendant from Embracer and worked within their means.

@BenAV - Which makes a basic Switch model perfect for those who want to customise.

But if you ask me; If you're going for limited edition style, the whole thing needs to carry that weight. I hated thr Smash Bros one cause all is was, was just a Switch with limited edition dock and controls.

> MK1

Bro, I am not ready to give any game that much hard drive real estate anywhere no matter how much a fan I am.

Literally that size sold other games to me.

It just goes to show you that every series can have their Federation Force and come back strong.

I can see them doing one with gold and a triforce in it, and I can back that idea.

I feel bittersweet about this success.

On one hand, Team Reptile deserves a lot more publicity for their work. Always.

The other; I was hoping to see Lethal League being their tentpole title that gets them there. Though I am glad any of their games get them noticed, was always rooting of LL.

Ultimately it is a negligible issue, more power to Team Reptile. BRCF is amazing.

How much you wanna bet this is a result of Nintendo's mistake to begin with? Pretty certain if this wasn't a topic before, they would have snuck off without a mention.

Someone has to be made an example if others are to learn lessons. It may been for the better for Nintendo to be the known "first" offender over id Software. Got waaay more coverage because of it.

@blindsquarel @MeatSauce - Trust me, I know why it doesn't happen. Just baffled many have not tried sans NFL branding since, that momentum stopped the moment they couldn't get a holographic sticker.

Which is telling how far we as gamers have gotten on brand recognition over ideas. Rather have something we know for 60 bucks as opposed a 15 dollar idea mpre often than not.