@nintendoknife I mean, currently, since I own a digital PS5 (Which I had on order and obviously couldnt change BEFORE Sony announced the new prices) the actual cost of first party PS5 games is....still really high, even on sale. Some are maybe £20 off now....which is £50. Some only get £5 or £10 off in initial sales, if that.
I'd argue it's worse than Nintendo in that regard, because at least on the eShop you know it's going from £50 to £34 in a sale.
We end up paying more for the same or less. Look at Sony. £70 games that used to be £50. Are they necessarily doing more? No. Half of them are also available for that lower price but sell at the higher price.
Why? Consumerism.
We don't like it, but it's how the world works my friend.
We're very similar. We both inherently disagree with this. However, after studying economics and business for years, working my way through a discount retail store for a few years, and just seeing different markets grow and shrink, I became numb to it.
This is the way the world works. Yep. It sucks. It's scummy. It's exploitative.
Can't do anything about it though. So spend your money you earn from producing goods and services that may or may not be overpriced for what they are, or used to be, on other goods and services you deem worth it to you.
That's all we can do. You can't tell other people what to do with their money. Put needs before wants, beyond that, everyone is on this ride for a different reason.
The companies produce goods and services, set a price they deem the market will accept, the market purchases the goods and services at that price.
You would have made the choice to buy it, at that price, knowing what it is. You literally got what you paid for.
Clearly this strategy works. It's worked for decades in gaming, hundreds of years for everything else.
Yeah, it sucks. We all know it sucks. Games often cost more to buy than we believe they are valued but....there are billions of people who think otherwise. I think bread is too expensive for what it is but tough that's the market price people are willing to pay for just a load of processed grains.
Again, life sucks, money sucks, consumerism sucks.
But we also ain't gonna change it having a screaming fit on a forum now are we?
I mean, the Switch is now the only console that lets you pair almost any third party Bluetooth devices. Apple Air Pods, my earbuds, Xbox headsets.
Heck with the way people talked about "Why doesn't it allow Bluetooth audio?" I figured wow, this must be standard on other systems. I get my PS5, grab my earbuds and no...it's not.
@SmileMan64 @zool It's also SquareEnix. They are hilariously bad at accurate sales projections.
Tomb Raider didn't make it's money back because it didn't sell multi-millions, the whole Outriders situation?
Heck, the Hitman games sold really well and "didn't make enough money to be a success" so they drop the developers who make Hitman 3 on their own and it's profitable in a week.
So yeah. This game probably hasn't done well enough for them yet.
@Mr-Fuggles777 I wouldn't say you need another console. We know the PS5 can't do 4K at 60fps all too often without upscaling techniques. Even the upcoming PS4 enhanced Ghost of Tsushima port only targets 4K and aims for 60fps. Ratchet and Clank can't do 4K 60fps without cutting ray tracing out. Returnal rendered natively at 1080p and then upscaled.
If you want actual next gen graphics and experiences, you need a PC. The PS5 is an exclusives box, and even then we know where those games look to end up soon.
Personally, I either need a portable system for work, or an actual 4K capable machine for home. So for me, I need a Switch to supplement my PC. The PS5 I own is barely touched. What it does well, it does well, but it's not giving me the performance it claimed it would.
And this is the crux of the issue. Of course developers can build with Switch first. If they manage to do it between PS4 and PS5, or even PS5 and PC, they can do it for Switch up to PC.
@Silly_G I dunno if I'd call Diamond and Pearl done and dusted at launch given how the Gen 4 game engine made getting out of bounds and crashing hilariously easy, the games crash if you cycle too fast between specific areas, the engine couldnt run at a decent speed until HG/SS, it had to completely rewrite save data whenever the PC was accessed until Gen 5, it had the ability to misalign battle sprites with a single move by one pixel per use.
Oh and the official censor system in the game stopped you trading Pokemon like Nosepass unless you nicknamed them. And they then repeated this mistake in Gen 5.
It wasnt a total broken mess like RBY was, but Diamond and Pearl certainly didnt spend all the time in the oven they needed to.
@MarcelM The steam deck wont make a profit per unit. Not from cramming all that into a small form factor in a brand new APU from AMD with modern GPU tech inside.
Even Gabe Newell said that yeah, getting the prices that low was painful, but they have Steam: The money will come from there.
This sounds like what was said in 2017 when it was to be revealed at the Game Awards.
And in 2018.
And in 2019.
Metroid Prime Trilogy HD is done. Its been done. It'll keep being done until Nintendo actually makes the thing and releases it one day according to this broken clock.
@T0mizawa My highest possible speed in my area, and most of my country, is far slower than that. Its not dialup, just around 80mbps. Gigabit is rolling out but not for years.
I mean it took them 5 years to make 2 and that was including finding a publisher in the first place.
I think the concern was when Platinum crowdfundednan already complete game, and then Babylon's Fall ended up looking worse than it did three years ago at reveal with still no release date, and they have several other games in the works.
To many, seeing a game announced after Bayonetta 3 resurface with still no date and looking worse than it did initially and seeing other games of theirs being announced, it makes people think it's low priority for them.
What I want to know is if a manufacturer simply intends to put existing storefronts from other businesses on their platform as the only way to gain games, surely they'd end up making far less money outside of selling their hardware.
Plus, all that for $300 doesn't sound like much profit to me.
@RudyC3 It was using tech that was only two years old.
That's also what the PS4 and Xbox One did. Used tech that was already a known thing. PS5 and Series systems have avoided this by using stuff that is brand new (Within a year) but within two to three years THAT will be outdated. But the cost of using brand new is...well its new. It costs a hell of a lot more to make. It depends on the business priorities at hand.
If this is real, then being the first console to have any AI upscaling tech built into the silicon is a huge thing, given DLSS 2.0 isnt even massively adopted into PC games yet.
@gaga64 They did say in the video that nowadays being the worst version isn't much different from being the best unlike say, previous different versions between consoles in years past where one is vastly different to the other.
So in a way they did just say...yeah it doesn't matter.
Also the video made me laugh: Switch vs PS5, seems legit.
Ah yes, the game EA had announced content for on other systems for past September 2020, and then announced all that content was scrapped because the player base has died.
@RainbowGazelle Even though the interview was with XSEED? So why would XSEED say they had to be convinced if it wasn't them who needed convincing to do the port?
@Silly_G It's more like six games now, as one of the games reported by Jeff Grubb has had it's support dropped on other platforms after it released just last year.
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Re: New Tale In Pokémon's Diamond & Pearl Remakes Might Be Teasing Something
Would the Ocean Gate be those giant horns sticking out of the ocean on the Arceus map?
Re: Pokémon's Diamond & Pearl Remakes Become The Second Biggest Switch Game Launch In Japan
@nintendoknife I mean, currently, since I own a digital PS5 (Which I had on order and obviously couldnt change BEFORE Sony announced the new prices) the actual cost of first party PS5 games is....still really high, even on sale. Some are maybe £20 off now....which is £50. Some only get £5 or £10 off in initial sales, if that.
I'd argue it's worse than Nintendo in that regard, because at least on the eShop you know it's going from £50 to £34 in a sale.
Re: Pokémon's Diamond & Pearl Remakes Become The Second Biggest Switch Game Launch In Japan
@Dragonite89 It's not an excuse.
It's how the world has worked for decades.
We end up paying more for the same or less. Look at Sony. £70 games that used to be £50. Are they necessarily doing more? No. Half of them are also available for that lower price but sell at the higher price.
Why? Consumerism.
We don't like it, but it's how the world works my friend.
We're very similar. We both inherently disagree with this. However, after studying economics and business for years, working my way through a discount retail store for a few years, and just seeing different markets grow and shrink, I became numb to it.
This is the way the world works. Yep. It sucks. It's scummy. It's exploitative.
Can't do anything about it though. So spend your money you earn from producing goods and services that may or may not be overpriced for what they are, or used to be, on other goods and services you deem worth it to you.
That's all we can do. You can't tell other people what to do with their money. Put needs before wants, beyond that, everyone is on this ride for a different reason.
Re: Pokémon's Diamond & Pearl Remakes Become The Second Biggest Switch Game Launch In Japan
@Dragonite89 But you did get what you paid for.
The companies produce goods and services, set a price they deem the market will accept, the market purchases the goods and services at that price.
You would have made the choice to buy it, at that price, knowing what it is. You literally got what you paid for.
Clearly this strategy works. It's worked for decades in gaming, hundreds of years for everything else.
Yeah, it sucks. We all know it sucks. Games often cost more to buy than we believe they are valued but....there are billions of people who think otherwise. I think bread is too expensive for what it is but tough that's the market price people are willing to pay for just a load of processed grains.
Again, life sucks, money sucks, consumerism sucks.
But we also ain't gonna change it having a screaming fit on a forum now are we?
Re: Pokémon's Diamond & Pearl Remakes Become The Second Biggest Switch Game Launch In Japan
I think a lot of people in these comments may have a problem with a society built around profit and mass consumerism or something.
Re: Nintendo Announces "First-Ever" Officially Licensed Smash Bros. Championship Circuit For North America
Seems like a response to Smash no longer being in EVO
Re: Random: Wait A Sec, That Sure Looks Like Mario In Sonic The Hedgehog's Marble Zone
This has been known for...a long time. Slow news day I guess?
Also, its meant to be lions, much like classic architecture. It just so happens lining those sprites up in that way looks like Mario.
What's more notable about Marble Zone is those damn UFO things.
Re: Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl Trailer Shows New Pokétch HM App, Poffins And More
@DomGC The website says it's a Poketch app that calls on wild Pokemon. Get the HM in your app, use it, wild Pokemon on hand to do it.
Re: Uh-Oh, Nintendo Switch Online's N64 Games Might Be 50Hz In Europe
I mean in the UK version of the Direct the game boxes shown did say PAL Version so ...
No duh?
Re: Soapbox: 4 Years On And Switch Finally Got Bluetooth Audio, So Voice Chat Next?
I mean, the Switch is now the only console that lets you pair almost any third party Bluetooth devices. Apple Air Pods, my earbuds, Xbox headsets.
Heck with the way people talked about "Why doesn't it allow Bluetooth audio?" I figured wow, this must be standard on other systems. I get my PS5, grab my earbuds and no...it's not.
Re: Bravely Default II Has Almost Reached One Million Sales On Nintendo Switch
@SmileMan64 @zool It's also SquareEnix. They are hilariously bad at accurate sales projections.
Tomb Raider didn't make it's money back because it didn't sell multi-millions, the whole Outriders situation?
Heck, the Hitman games sold really well and "didn't make enough money to be a success" so they drop the developers who make Hitman 3 on their own and it's profitable in a week.
So yeah. This game probably hasn't done well enough for them yet.
Re: Blizzard Outlines Plans To Rename Popular Overwatch Character
I'm sure like in times past, they'll also announce he's gay or some such and go "Look, inclusive" like they did the last time they got in hot water
Re: Possible Retro Game Grading Inconsistencies Come To Light Following Fraud Allegations
@RupeeClock I remember hearing WATA once graded a fake copy of a game because the box looked that good.
Contents were fake, but the box looked legit. And the guy who had it graded later called em out on it.
Re: Saber Interactive Set To Boost Switch Porting Business With Acquisitions
@Mr-Fuggles777 I wouldn't say you need another console. We know the PS5 can't do 4K at 60fps all too often without upscaling techniques. Even the upcoming PS4 enhanced Ghost of Tsushima port only targets 4K and aims for 60fps. Ratchet and Clank can't do 4K 60fps without cutting ray tracing out. Returnal rendered natively at 1080p and then upscaled.
If you want actual next gen graphics and experiences, you need a PC. The PS5 is an exclusives box, and even then we know where those games look to end up soon.
Personally, I either need a portable system for work, or an actual 4K capable machine for home. So for me, I need a Switch to supplement my PC. The PS5 I own is barely touched. What it does well, it does well, but it's not giving me the performance it claimed it would.
And this is the crux of the issue. Of course developers can build with Switch first. If they manage to do it between PS4 and PS5, or even PS5 and PC, they can do it for Switch up to PC.
Re: Saber Interactive Set To Boost Switch Porting Business With Acquisitions
@Mr-Fuggles777 He said to start making the game with the Switch in mind and then work up.
So instead of making the game at 4K etc and downgrading, make the game in Switch's spec and upgrade the assets to higher specifications.
Re: The Pokémon Diamond And Pearl Remakes Might Require A Launch Update "To Play Some Content"
@Silly_G I dunno if I'd call Diamond and Pearl done and dusted at launch given how the Gen 4 game engine made getting out of bounds and crashing hilariously easy, the games crash if you cycle too fast between specific areas, the engine couldnt run at a decent speed until HG/SS, it had to completely rewrite save data whenever the PC was accessed until Gen 5, it had the ability to misalign battle sprites with a single move by one pixel per use.
Oh and the official censor system in the game stopped you trading Pokemon like Nosepass unless you nicknamed them. And they then repeated this mistake in Gen 5.
It wasnt a total broken mess like RBY was, but Diamond and Pearl certainly didnt spend all the time in the oven they needed to.
Re: Sonic The Hedgehog Singer Tony Harnell Teases Possible Return
@Clyde_Radcliffe He was in Rivals 2 and did work for Generations.
Re: Japanese Charts: NEO: The World Ends With You Gets Debut Number One, Ace Attorney Takes Third
I mean, they barely marketed the damn thing, and this makes the PS4 release look like a potential waste of time.
Re: Nintendo Removing Credit Card Support From 3DS And Wii U eShop In Japan
@JamesR You're two years late then buddy.
Re: Techland Is Bringing Dying Light: Platinum Edition To Nintendo Switch This October
Looks too good. Has to be shown on a Switch Pro clearly. /s
Re: Nintendo Denies It'll Make Increased Profits With Switch OLED, "No Plans" For Other Model "At This Time"
@MarcelM The steam deck wont make a profit per unit. Not from cramming all that into a small form factor in a brand new APU from AMD with modern GPU tech inside.
Even Gabe Newell said that yeah, getting the prices that low was painful, but they have Steam: The money will come from there.
Re: Rumour: Metroid Prime Trilogy For Switch Ready To Go, According To Industry Insider
This sounds like what was said in 2017 when it was to be revealed at the Game Awards.
And in 2018.
And in 2019.
Metroid Prime Trilogy HD is done. Its been done. It'll keep being done until Nintendo actually makes the thing and releases it one day according to this broken clock.
Re: Soapbox: Can We Just Announce All Platforms At The Same Time Already?
I think a good example of this is Life is Strange.
Announced for everything except Switch.
And when shown off later, same again.
And at E3 with SquareEnix. No Switch.
Two days later at E3, oh there it is, we found it behind the sofa. It's coming the same day we just didn't want to tell you.
I don't get that.
Re: Team Sonic Racing '30th Anniversary Edition' Listings Surface Online
So is SEGA going to release anything in 2021 that they dont leak before hand? Because so far it has been literally everything
Re: Nintendo Employee Tells Fans To Stick With The Current Switch, If They're Not "Digging" The OLED Screen
@T0mizawa My highest possible speed in my area, and most of my country, is far slower than that. Its not dialup, just around 80mbps. Gigabit is rolling out but not for years.
Re: Nintendo Employee Tells Fans To Stick With The Current Switch, If They're Not "Digging" The OLED Screen
@T0mizawa Getting 1Gbps LAN in a console is laughable.
Mostly because most of the planet doesn't even have internet connection speeds that can reach that yet.
Re: Sega Reveals Digital And Physical Versions Of Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania
What's with the resurgence in "play it x days early" again? They're doing it with Sonic Colours too
Re: Another Cloud Game Is On Its Way To Nintendo Switch This July
I remember when this game had too many rats to run on Switch and they refused to compromise.
Guess the cloud can render rats though
Re: Japanese Charts: Game Builder Garage Beats Final Fantasy VII And Ratchet & Clank To Number One
@link3710 According to the above list, it's not even 150,000 digital units
Re: Hideki Kamiya Shares Irritation At Speculation Over Bayonetta 3
I mean it took them 5 years to make 2 and that was including finding a publisher in the first place.
I think the concern was when Platinum crowdfundednan already complete game, and then Babylon's Fall ended up looking worse than it did three years ago at reveal with still no release date, and they have several other games in the works.
To many, seeing a game announced after Bayonetta 3 resurface with still no date and looking worse than it did initially and seeing other games of theirs being announced, it makes people think it's low priority for them.
Re: Random: What If Nintendo Just Released A Basic Switch XL?
I keep saying, it'll be called a Switch XL regardless. You dont make a Lite and not offer the counterpart in similar branding.
Switch XL: XL screen on the go, XL resolution on the TV.
Re: Nintendo's 81st AGM Of Shareholders Will Allow Remote Voting
The new employees are probably the Monolith Soft staffers they keep hiring, and the addition of Next Level Games, if they count those companies.
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Retains Its Crown In Nintendo Switch Best-Selling Games List
@the_beaver Monster Hunter Rise won't, as it's a third party game Nintendo can't release those figures.
Re: Random: GUH-HUH! Some People Are Fascinated By Microsoft's Name On The Banjo-Kazooie amiibo
Look at the bottom of the Chibi-Robo amiibo for a surprise.
Re: Poll: Which amiibo Arrived On Your Doorstep Today, Then?
Banjo for sentimental reasons regarding a lost friend, and Terry, my main.
Re: Qualcomm Is Reportedly Working On A "Knockoff" Switch, Powered By Android
What I want to know is if a manufacturer simply intends to put existing storefronts from other businesses on their platform as the only way to gain games, surely they'd end up making far less money outside of selling their hardware.
Plus, all that for $300 doesn't sound like much profit to me.
Re: New Switch Model Could Launch For $399, Analysts Suggest
@RudyC3 It was using tech that was only two years old.
That's also what the PS4 and Xbox One did. Used tech that was already a known thing. PS5 and Series systems have avoided this by using stuff that is brand new (Within a year) but within two to three years THAT will be outdated. But the cost of using brand new is...well its new. It costs a hell of a lot more to make. It depends on the business priorities at hand.
If this is real, then being the first console to have any AI upscaling tech built into the silicon is a huge thing, given DLSS 2.0 isnt even massively adopted into PC games yet.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of Crash Bandicoot 4 On Switch
@gaga64 They did say in the video that nowadays being the worst version isn't much different from being the best unlike say, previous different versions between consoles in years past where one is vastly different to the other.
So in a way they did just say...yeah it doesn't matter.
Also the video made me laugh: Switch vs PS5, seems legit.
Re: Sonic Writer Talks About His Love-Hate Relationship With The Fandom
Wait.
The higher ups at SEGA tell those who work on the series to ignore their users?
Looking at the past few games that checks out...even when you consider Forces level designers were all brand new.
Re: Two Veteran Sonic The Hedgehog Writers Appear To Have Moved On
Given these guys openly admitted they didn't care and used fan wikis as references when writing the plots...
Yeah good. They started strong in that lighter Saturday morning cartoon vibe and then it kinda...didn't work after a few years.
Re: Switch Listing For Plants Vs. Zombies: Battle for Neighborville Surfaces Online
Ah yes, the game EA had announced content for on other systems for past September 2020, and then announced all that content was scrapped because the player base has died.
Let's port THAT ONE to Switch.
Re: New Pokémon Snap Pricing, File Size And Other Key Details Revealed
Were people expecting coop or something?
Re: Poll: Are You Getting Any Of These New Nintendo Switch Releases?
Yeah. Sniper Elite 4 that comes out Tuesday.
Re: Nintendo Convinced XSEED To Bring Sakuna To Switch, Pre-Orders About "2-To-1 Over PS4"
@RainbowGazelle Even though the interview was with XSEED? So why would XSEED say they had to be convinced if it wasn't them who needed convincing to do the port?
Re: EA's Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit Remaster Has Been Rated
@Silly_G It's more like six games now, as one of the games reported by Jeff Grubb has had it's support dropped on other platforms after it released just last year.
Re: Nintendo Is Reportedly Japan's Richest Company Of 2020
@Anguspuss 51 Worldwide Games only took around a year and a half it seems. Made by the same studio who made Super Mario Party in 2018.
Re: Creatures Inc. Designer Wants To Know "What UI / UX Mistakes Drive You Absolutely Mad In Pokémon Games"
@Robo-Knight Ah yes, removing the National Pokedex. What a bad user interface design decision.
Re: Oceanhorn 2 Dev Shares First Official Screenshot Of The Upcoming Switch Port
@Yoshinator Well if Epic and Apple keep hitting heads UE4 will be wiped from Apple entirely so....yikes.
This port came at a good time.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Prepared To Spend $70 On The Latest Games?
@nessisonett So with that logic, which is quite agreeable, wouldn't the issue of third parties charging more be a non-issue then?
Interesting how the upfront cost is an issue but the likely real cost later isnt.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Prepared To Spend $70 On The Latest Games?
@Kidfunkadelic83 Yeah. Yeah you do. Crash 4 on the store page right now is £60.