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Yeah okay, but there's something wrong with... his face, tho...

I love Sunshine but the Gamecube was the height of the Zelda franchise in both frequency an quality. I don't really see how you could vote the other way if you've played all three games. Same with 64 more or less.

And then I had to vote for Zelda on Wii because that was where I first played Twilight Princess, but Mario wins everything after that. Switch doesn't even have a core Zelda genre game on it, it's just got a combat-heavy open world RPG-lite thing that's running on Skyward Sword's weird retcons and princess-rescuing obsession.

Ribbon-bon~!!

Y'know there are other games with actual news...

@zionich I think it's pay-to-win if you're paying to win. Y'know, like some of the best horses in the game and late game weapons.

@zionich What you think doesn't keep them from being pay to win, microtransactions, and all that stuff that people write angry comments on the internet about.

Amiibo are already microtransactions, resist what?

Mario was fine since they were optional and the costumes were part of the progression normally, but they've also just launched more exclusive armor-locking amiibo for Zelda Wii U. I don't care a whole lot about the matter personally, but you lot do, and Zelda U is already no better than multiplatform open world games with microtransactions, worse for single purchase consumers since the other tunics and weapons just aren't in the game at all if you don't buy the 'bo. It's insane to me that you couldn't tame wild wolves and Wolf Link was the only way to get a partner character.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE 'A new Okami,' lol. I'd buy a smart fridge if Capcom released a new Okami on it. Sadly that team is gone and just makes action games now.

Tales. Of. Tales. Of. Tales. Of.

Don't. Be. Annualized. And. Or. Souls. Trash!

This is worse than the Switch tee.

I'm just holding my breath for MH World in general. The ethic I've developed getting into games with the Gamecube and Wii is that the tech doesn't matter, the game does. World looks like the Monster Hunter game Tri, the first Nintendo MH game, was striving to be at the time. And I'm all over that. The only thing that would make it better would be the Switch pro controller instead of Playstation's stupidly placed thumb sticks but, hey, headphone jacks.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Hey dude, your logic doesn't track. They wouldn't be able to tout sales in the first place if they weren't supporting the system.

@dimi Lol you're blind. World has the longest development cycle in at least the modern series, and looks like the most ambitious game to date in both style and function.

What the hell is a Gelgar?

In all seriousness, this is a game I'm considering playing on Switch that I would not on PS4. I hope all of the season 1 content is there, as I feel like AoT is another anime that feels somewhat diminished after its stellar lead. The forest battle was the most intense in the series.

Let us switch between two held items...

Y'know what game doesn't need spiritual successors? Zelda 1, because it's a flash game by today's standards.

So they're finally putting good Pokemon in?

Clearly not, and it wasn't the transformative open world experience zealots make it out to be either. A lot of the world is empty and boring since it's so large and so few of the quests or shrines are actually interesting. It just didn't go far enough in the emergent open world direction to make a compelling case for why we don't get a real Zelda game for half a decade.

The enemies leash to their spawn areas and can't climb or follow link, the same reused enemy selection is reused across the entire map leaving everywhere but Gerudo Desert without an identity, there isn't meaningful customization of your hollow, hollow player character (most of the color schemes are garish pastels and the few special mounts can't be stabled or reliably used), the progression is only in terms of how much damage you can give and take, and there just weren't enough items to change up the experience of how you interacted with the open world.

The Divine Beast abilities are all very loveless riffs on Skyrim's shout system for a game that doesn't have magic in any real way. They could have stolen cool stuff like whirlwind sprint or become ethereal, but stuck to simple attack/health/defense buffs save for Revali's Gale.

Lol @ Yu being called 'Persona 4.' I'm not sure how Rooster Teeth swung getting its American anime characters in.

The 2D animation looked kinda lackluster to be honest. It's pre-release and all, but a fighting game should have better animation than Vanillaware and this doesn't seem to...

@Ventilator Those are all racing games, I don't know what they or Civ have to do with an M rating.

@Ventilator "Civilization is one of the most mature games available, and its not mature rated."

Whadya mean? They teach history in like 1st grade.

Anyway, Nintendo sapped all of the meaningfulness out of three of its occasionally mature series; Paper Mario, Metroid Prime, and Zelda. They've been simple save-the-princess, multiplayer, or shallow games now and they have been since the last serious or 'mature' ones came out around 2007.

Why'd they cheap out and upload the awkward short version? It's not like Nintendo ever puts soundtracks up on iTunes anyway.

Regardless, I'm going to find and enjoy the full version on the go as soon as iTunes stops trying to self-immolate in front of me.

The animation looks nice, but I'm having trouble finding anything interesting about the rest of the game.

@GrailUK Read my post before you jump into the conversation misinformed. I was correcting someone who asserted that the Switch was approaching the depth and breadth of the Gamecube's library — it flatly isn't. Besides Metroid Prime we have little idea of what the future of the system will be.

Metal Sonic was not what the game needed.

@electrolite77 And the Switch isn't approaching Gamecube's quality or breadth of content in the first year.

My point about Super Paper Mario is that it was Gamecube carryover development, as in Nintendo's output was healthy and creative under the Gamecube brand.

@GrailUK I mean, the Gamecube had two original Zelda games, two Metroid Primes, Luigi's Mansion, two console Pokemon games even, one of the most distinctive Mario Kart & Smashes, and nearly had two Paper Marios before the second one got delayed onto Wii due to the timing.

So the Switch might be nearing the Gamecube's popularity, but it's not even close in other regards.

These are all just things that should have been in the first games; sailing between the islands, closure for the Ultra Beasts, a point to the legendaries, and presumably closure for Lillie.

@Tarvaax You can have your own opinions. If you were sure of them and not insecure in some respect, though, I doubt you'd say really defensive stuff like, 'u don't get to decide what's a Zelda game.' If you want to find people to agree with, go read reviews. You opinion isn't special or unique, nearly everyone buys the '10/10, return to the roots, best Zelda ever' marketing of Breath of the Wild.

Now if you actually look at what fans have been talking about, many recognize the drop in quality in Skyward Sword that was fixed a bit in Breath of the Wild. Unfortunately, Breath also murdered any gameplay diversity the series had along with the story, characters, main quest, and dungeons.

But please, keep 'u don't'-ing me. I'm sure you'll find that rewarding in some aspect.

@Darknyht The original Zelda is a 2D 8-bit game that could be made in flash today. Breath of the Wild's nostalgia-angled marketing doesn't make it the successor to that, it's a new 3D game. It actually takes the western open world formula, takes out all the story, expands the world past the point it can be filled with meaningful content by then, and populated with fetch quests and repetitive tasks.

It's beginning, all the newbs are associating more with the open world spinoff than Zelda itself. I don't really hold many elitist mentalities either, it's just distressing to see all these not-Zelda-fans or people who've only played Breath of the Wild who couldn't even realize to care about the metroidvanian puzzle progression holding it up as the 'best Zelda game ever' when it's barely even a Zelda game to begin with.

I'm kinda confused as to what this exactly is, since all of the books have gone through the series' history and had art and blurbs and such. Still, it sounds a little more interesting than the second one if it truly is exhaustive as it says.

Wait, they're shutting down the online store? Why? How much does that really cost to keep online? So you just... won't be able to buy different games on the system anymore forever? Not even virtual console titles?

@WaveBoy The right Joy-Con has all the functions of a Wiimote, so it's theoretically possible. Everything has been gyro controls so far though.

This is a good example of a game I would not have checked out on PS4 that I will on Switch. Apparently the 3D maneuver gear system is decent.

I can't stand wobbly gyro controls, but Joy-Con pointer aiming would have been a reason for me to buy this game.

@Spoony_Tech That's okay, just make sure you play Inside before all the other ones. It's only like a 5 hour experience but it's the kind of game that actually makes you want to keep playing all the way through (that's rare, I find).

I recommend basically anyone not dealing with depression or something like that to get this game. Don't watch the embedded trailer, don't watch let's plays, those will only decrease the impact of moments.

Maybe they'll finish the story in time for the Switch launch?

And it's not like Odyssey has nothing textures like Breath either, Mario's hair is super detailed. I cannot imagine NBA 2K's file sizes being anything other than poor compression.

It's hilarious and sad that a western developer has beaten the Zelda team at level design — their damn ballpark — twice in a row now. Breath of the Wild only feels like Skyrim insofar as it's a high fantasy open world with physics-based 3D items. Everything else Skyrim has, it lacks.

It's stupid that Rockstar pushed this on the public instead of handling it themselves.

How do you punny sods not write 'Mario Run away?' as a subhead, how!?

"He does everything cool..." sounds like Sonic.

Obviously Link should be on the higher capacity card. Him and the Green Tunic of Unburdening.

This is why it would be nice to get a Zelda with realistic texturing sometime again this century. I'll wait.

That one with the anime music looked looked both hilarious and like an ambitious indie game. I hope the story/world/combat are all alright.

Yep, Gameboy games looked pretty bad. Did we need an full game to remind us?

That looks a lot freakier on Switch than it did on GBA. It would be nice to get that funky Gamecube / GBA Nintendo purple back for a Joy-Con or two.

They did announce a date, it was 'summer.' It's the end of August.

I feel it goes without saying that they shouldn't have announced a quarterly window at all considering that Severed released a week or so ago without delays and without having to be pre-announced for forever.

If they had third gen near launch I would have actually played this game.

The Switch needs more new games that I love as opposed to just play. Severed and Mr. Shifty were great surprises, but they could only do so much given their limited scope. Right now it has a lot of indies announced for 2017 that will probably slip into 2018, Mario, Metroid Prime 4... and that's about it. I'm not worried really because Nintendo still have a couple Directs and The Game Awards to announce more at, but right now the system feels more like a distraction than a full interest. Ports of endless games like The Elder Scrolls: Legends, Hearthstone, and Monster Hunter: World would help with that (and before you ask, I realize there's a bit of a gap in ambition among those three titles, lol).

For everyone else I expect one of those endless games will be Skyrim, but I've already played that game for thousands of hours across many different characters and two different versions so... it can't be as fresh to me. 1000% recommended though if you've never played it extensively. The Dawnguard DLC is one of my favorite stories and expansions ever and Dragonborn is fantastic as well.