It’s hard to deny that the Nintendo Switch has been a monumental success since its launch back in March of this year, and that’s not only due to the console’s innovative design and functionality, but also thanks to some of the tremendous software we’ve received on the system. Two notable entries, however, are its launch title The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and of course the recently released Super Mario Odyssey. The two flagship Nintendo franchises have certainly lived up to their standards – if not exceeded them – with these inspiring entries, and it's likely that they'll battle each other for numerous "Game of the Year" awards in the coming weeks. This got this scribe thinking about the different eras of main series home console 3D Mario and Zelda games, and which franchise “won” each period of time, if any.
Of course, it could be said that the two shouldn't be compared, due to one being of the platform genre and the other of adventure, but it's interesting to see which Nintendo frontrunner is hailed as offering the best single player experience of each era. With that in mind, we’d like to ask you the same using our series of polls below. Keep in mind, we’re only counting each franchise’s main series 3D adventures on home consoles – not 2D releases such as Super Mario World and A Link to the Past, surrounding/spinoff games such as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Hyrule Warriors, handheld titles such as Super Mario 3D Land and A Link Between Worlds, or entries that can be played on a different console to the game's original release (such as on the Virtual Console) – exceptions are made for later 'HD' iterations.
So, let's go back to when the true main series home console 3D battle began.

The Polygonal Period (1996 - 2001)
The Nintendo 64’s release proved to be both evolutionary and revolutionary for Nintendo’s two franchise giants; Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time marked the first time each series graced our screens in the three-dimensional space. But it wasn’t just the transition to 3D that turned heads, for both titles have been – and still are – regarded as two of the greatest games of all-time due to them simply being stellar titles all round. It came as no surprise that both games were eventually ported onto Nintendo’s handheld systems for the newer generation of gamer to experience for themselves.
It’s no secret that Super Mario 64 was the stepping stone for which Mario has been conveyed in a 3D space ever since – just look at the basic controls of Super Mario Odyssey, a game released more than two decades later from Mario’s first 3D outing. In addition, it’s a known fact that Ocarina of Time used the base engine of Super Mario 64 throughout its development, further demonstrating the Nintendo 64 launch title’s brilliance as a 3D game both from player and developer perspectives. However, many of us who lived through this fantastic era of gaming were lucky enough to experience two Zelda 3D adventures, the second being The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask – another game that was ported onto a handheld Nintendo system. Majora’s Mask used the same engine as its predecessor (it can therefore be argued that Super Mario 64 technically also played a pivotal role in shaping Majora’s Mask), and despite its relatively short development time proved to be one of the most unorthodox and therefore memorable titles in Zelda history.
So, the Nintendo 64 received two sensational main series Zelda entries, but they arguably wouldn’t have been where they were if it weren’t for the console's single stellar main series Mario entry, Super Mario 64 – which has paved the way for Mario games ever since. With that said, which franchise do you think won this era?

The Legacy of the Lunchbox (2001 - 2006)
The Nintendo GameCube was a fantastic system and is arguably one of the most underrated Nintendo consoles to date, offering some of Nintendo’s greatest games. Unfortunately though, the much anticipated new Zelda release back then wasn’t met with smiles all round, due to The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker presenting Link and his world in the form of cartoon. In hindsight, The Wind Waker is arguably one of the best 3D Zelda experiences to date, so much so in fact that it was remade on the Wii U in delightful HD. Speaking of which, the GameCube saw the release of yet another Zelda game towards the end of its run, and that was Ocarina of Time 2 – just kidding, it was The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (we love this game, so don’t get too annoyed at that joke). Twilight Princess was a welcome addition to the system's library (and like Breath of the Wild, also served as a launch title for newer hardware, with the Wii), for back then the release of The Wind Waker – and the GameCube’s cutesy design for that matter – drove some gamers away due to it all seeming childish and aimed at children. Twilight Princess helped change this perception, for it presented the series in a much “darker” and “more realistic” tone, which delighted many. And just like the aforementioned, Twilight Princess also received the HD remake it deserved on the Wii U due to its popularity.
The GameCube also received The Legend of Zelda: Master Quest, a reworked version of Ocarina of Time containing remixed puzzles and dungeons with a steep difficulty curve that was intended for the N64. It came bundled with The Wind Waker in some regions – though sold separately in others – and was part of a two-game disc in which the original Ocarina of Time was also contained. Not sure if that counts, but hey it was technically still a – albeit slightly – new Zelda offering and experience to play on Nintendo's latest system. It should also be noted that the GameCube also saw the release of The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, though it's debatable whether the game is more of a spinoff Zelda title as opposed to a main series one due to its reliance on the Game Boy Advance and completely different take on core Zelda entries.
As for our favourite – or only – plumber in red, the Super Mario series continued with Super Mario Sunshine. Ultimately it’s gone down as a great 3D Mario adventure, but in general seems to be lost in the shuffle when the best home console Mario games are compared. However, many have been vocal about a “Super Mario Sunshine HD” remake, so maybe it’ll get the same treatment that The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess did – except on the Nintendo Switch. Of course, though it was the system's launch title, we’re not counting Luigi’s Mansion here due to it simply not fitting within the category of main series Mario games.
So again, we got two incredible main series Zelda games (and an additional reworked version of an existing 3D Zelda game if you want to count that) and one main series Mario game on the Nintendo GameCube. Was it Mario or Zelda who took this period in gaming history for you?

An E-motion-al Era (2006 - 2012)
The Nintendo Wii seemed to be a console that aimed to cater to a wide demographic, but this didn’t stop the big N from releasing some bar-setting titles within its two flagship franchises. The system was also the mark of Nintendo revolutionising once again, for its motion control approach played a part in its Mario and Zelda outings – for better or worse.
For starters, Twilight Princess was a launch title on the console, a similar approach to what we’ve seen with The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild on both Wii U and Switch platforms. Twilight Princess was originally planned for a 2005 GameCube release, but was delayed by a year so that it could be refined with additional content and also ported onto the upcoming Wii, leading to its dual-release. The game was virtually the same as its GameCube counterpart, though it’s been argued that it’s the inferior version due to the whole world being flipped to compensate for its implementation of motion controls. The combination of many believing that the GameCube version “plays better” and that it was dual-released with the Wii version is a large reason as to why the GameCube version is so rare and sought after. Nevertheless, Twilight Princess was a welcome addition on the Wii in general due to allowing the many who would seemingly miss the adventure on the console's underperforming predecessor to experience Link in almighty wolf form on a shiny new commercial system.
Where the Wii really stood out, however, was in its two 3D Super Mario adventures, that being Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2. This was the first time Nintendo launched two main series Mario games on one system, a formula that The Legend of Zelda franchise was accustomed to since the aforementioned N64 era. Galaxy 1 & 2 were groundbreaking titles, both from gameplay and game design standpoints. Sure, you had your motion controls squeezed in here and there to remind players of the Wii’s flashy new capabilities, but the general consensus was that they were very well implemented and didn’t greatly impact on the player’s experience, unlike Twilight Princess and the other Zelda that came to be, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Skyward Sword received mixed reactions due to its overall direction on the series, but more importantly due to its motion controls (YouTube Miyamoto’s unfortunate demonstration of it at E3 2010 if you haven’t already). Nevertheless, it was still enjoyed by plenty and took the Zelda franchise to soaring new heights – literally and figuratively.
Isn’t there a title we've missed, you ask? Well of course! In the midst of Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 came New Super Mario Bros. Wii, an adventure that allowed players to relive the classic 2D side-scrolling platformer Mario games that rose the Nintendo mascot to stardom in the first place. Despite what many argue, it’s hard not to count NSMBW as a main series home console 3D Mario game since the game is far from a spinoff title, and although presented in 2D, is of course technically a game developed in 3D. It's arguable that it was actually as "main series" as Mario could get, for Nintendo took the franchise back to its core roots. It was a change of pace from the 3D Marios we were used to within the era of modern gaming, yet the concept still achieved high praise all round due to its innovative take on the classic formula – capturing the attentions of both oldie and newbie Mario players.
Now in this case, we had three titles from Mario and two from Zelda grace the Wii. Was it red or green that stole your heart?

Feeling Blue with U (2012 - 2017)
The Wii U is something this writer likes to call the “GameCube 2.0”. It’s another underrated system of Nintendo’s – with a divisive design, confusing marketing, and a lacklustre scheduled release of games in its opening years that ultimately led to its abysmal sales performance. One title that did the console wonders from the get-go, however, was New Super Mario Bros. U. Much like the aforementioned NSMBW, NSMBU took the NSMBW formula and added a welcomed lick of shiny new HD paint – a first for Nintendo’s flagship series. Nintendo also released New Super Luigi U, a game that was both released as bundled DLC with NSMBU and a standalone retail version, containing redesigned levels specifically for Luigi's abilities and play style. Both were brilliant games in general, but collectively wasn't the 3D Mario experience everyone was licking their chops for (as they were 2D platformers in gameplay), and after the buzz around NSMBU and NSLU faded away, the Wii U’s library wasn’t looking too exciting.
Thankfully, sooner or later, along came Super Mario 3D World, a game that’s been hailed as one of the best well-rounded Mario experiences to date due to its hybrid take on both classic and modern Mario game mechanics. Near enough the same time, the aforementioned The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD came into existence too. It was another first for Nintendo’s other big franchise, for this was the first time any Zelda game could be played in glorious HD. The formula worked so well that Nintendo decided to do exactly the same thing with its other 3D main series Zelda title on the GameCube, resulting in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD. Despite both games being ports to a new system, they more than helped keep the Wii U somewhat afloat during its drowning existence, and were received well. Again however, the Wii U’s poor scheduling of new releases led to many complaints, and Nintendo were in dire need to develop and publish some new heavy-hitters.
Cue a trailer that gave the Wii U a sudden glimmer of hope. It was the announcement of the upcoming new Zelda game (then unofficially known as “Zelda U”). It made those growing frustrated with the system hang in there for that much longer, even though the Wii successor offered some incredible titles in Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, Splatoon, and Super Mario Maker, to name a few. Unfortunately though, as you all know by now, “Zelda U” was delayed year after year, and as mentioned earlier eventually launched alongside its Nintendo Switch counterpart on March 23rd 2017. Yes, “Zelda U” became The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild – an absolutely stunning and fresh take on the much-loved Zelda series – but it took far too long for those clinging onto their Wii U consoles for its inevitable release.
Right, so we received two 2D and one “2.5D”-styled main series Mario games, two HD ports of existing main series Zelda entries, and one new and epic 3D Zelda adventure title. Who walked away with it this time round?

The Hybrid Happening (2017 - present date)
So here we are now, the era of Nintendo’s latest hybrid console: the Nintendo Switch. Let’s cut to the chase – The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey are already being compared for “Game of the Year”. It’s this notion that motivated the creation of this article, for both games take the Mario and Zelda franchises to never-before-seen horizons – and are even more impressive considering that they can be played on both the big screen as well as on the go in stunning HD. As mentioned, Breath of the Wild was the Nintendo Switch's launch title, and has kept many sticking around for hours due to its vast lands to explore and copious amounts of current and upcoming DLC. The game shook up the traditional Zelda formula a lot, which both delighted and disappointed many. Regardless, it can't be argued that the game wasn't a revolutionary entry in the franchise's history, though it's often likened to the original The Legend of Zelda on the NES due to its open world setting – albeit a helluva lot more beautiful to marvel at.
Despite the world only having a month or so with Odyssey, it's clear to see that the game is almost a must-have for any Mario fan. Sure, it's been criticised for a somewhat short campaign, but that's largely dependent on how the player wishes to play the game – and there's lots to do post-game too. The game plays tremendously – Mario has never felt better to control – and its worlds are some of the prettiest sights we've ever seen in any Super Mario title. It almost feels like a celebration of the entire Mario series, for it – without getting into spoiler territory – contains nostalgic moments and gameplay elements that should put smiles (and perhaps happy tears) on the faces of many who grew up with the moustached hero in his previous adventures.
So, as of the date of this publication, which Nintendo giant deserves to sit on the throne? Yes, it's been less than a year for both titles, and we're not sure what the big N will cook up next for each franchise's main series games – so this one's extra tough!

Final Verdict
And now for the ultimate poll. Taking everything mentioned above, we ask you to determine which franchise you feel has "won" the main series home console "battle" overall.
Do you agree with some of these results? What's your favourite main series home console 3D Mario and Zelda game, and era in general? Let us know your thoughts on all of this in the usual spot below.
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Wow that was a close one!! Could have gone either way! Edit: Oh! Wait a sec- looks like Zelda is pulling away!!
This is all where I expected it to be, results wise. Although I chose Sunshine in the GameCube era and was in the minority by a massive margain!
I haven’t voted yet as I want to see the results a little later, but I must say this has been an exceptional read, and took me on quite the journey!
Great idea. Loving the matching images you’ve made too, for example Mario and Link on their trusty steeds in the Wii era (which is what SMG2 and SS are all about), and then the duo in their four-legged forms in the Wii U era (which again is what SM3DW and TP are all about).
Awesome job, NL!
I hate 3D Zelda games...
Voting for 3D Mario, because those are bearable.
For me it's Zelda all the way through.
Zelda wins!
I like how you ognored the 2d series for the most part
@Neon_Blues Hate is a strong word (for me) but I mainly shared your opinion up until botw. I thought they were good games, but nothing compared to the 2d Zeldas, which are some of my favorite games of all time.
Hey guys... should we take a look with franchise sells more? And thus that's how we know which one is more popular?
1. Mario (564.86 million)
2. Pokémon (294.69 million)
3. Wii Series (202.91 million)
4. Legend of Zelda (84.92 million)
Zelda who? 😉
I had no choice but to vote for Zelda on each one. Don’t get me wrong, I love Mario games, but I’ve always had a special connection with the Legend of Zelda franchise.
@ottospooky Well, it's also going up against 3 Zelda games. I would've picked 64 if it was only against Ocarina of Time, but since there were 2 great Zelda games, I ended up choosing Zelda instead.
Not exactly a fair poll, is it? Where's Four Swords Adventures? If 2D Mario games are allowed here, I don't see why 2D Zelda can't be here as well.
Breath of the Wild is the weakest Zelda game this far but all the other 3D Zelda games are better than the 3D Mario games. However, Super Mario 64 and Sunshine deserve extra recognition.
why do you do this to me @Nintendolife!
These are 2 series of gaming that I could replay forever. They are the 2 best series on gaming. Most other games are just filler in between my play through of Mario and Zelda games.
2D - Mario
3D - Zelda
Choosing between Skyward Sword and Galaxy 1 & 2 be like Sophie's Choice.
I choose Super Mario games.
N64 era: Zelda by a country mile. I hate Mario 64, whereas I have mixed feelings about Ocarina of Time and absolutely loved Majora's Mask
GameCube era: Hard for me, as I enjoyed both Sunshine and Wind Waker. I think I ultimately enjoyed The Wind Waker more. Absolutely gorgeous game. Couldn't care less about TP.
Wii era: Super Mario Galaxy is one of my all-time favorite Nintendo games, so that wasn't hard at all.
Wii U era: The Legend of Zelda, mostly because of Breath of the Wild. What an absolute gem of a game.
Switch era: Again, Zelda, because of BotW. SMO was a lot of fun, but it had some serious issues that brought the experience down for me, whereas I enjoyed almost every moment of of Breath (except for the stupid stealth mission, which should never have been included in the game in the first place).
Overall: Zelda has more consistently excellent releases, I think. Although, without BotW, I probably would have opted for Mario overall, because SMG is a wonderful, wonderful game.
I love Sunshine but the Gamecube was the height of the Zelda franchise in both frequency an quality. I don't really see how you could vote the other way if you've played all three games. Same with 64 more or less.
And then I had to vote for Zelda on Wii because that was where I first played Twilight Princess, but Mario wins everything after that. Switch doesn't even have a core Zelda genre game on it, it's just got a combat-heavy open world RPG-lite thing that's running on Skyward Sword's weird retcons and princess-rescuing obsession.
zelda is the best up till the wii days,
didnt like galaxy or skyward sword on both sides of the coin or well uhm rupee up till that point
but with oddesey i felt like nintendo trumphed zelda for for the first time, overall zelda is still the best though.
n64 -> zelda
gamecube -> zelda
wii -> zelda
wii u -> zelda
switch -> mario
@Kayfios I think the poll should be against flagship titles on each respective system. That would make it more fair. The poll also seems pointless as it’s not really answering the ‘which is the better franchise’ question. Seems strange.
Mario is money, Zelda is fans.
Both 3D series are very dear to my heart. Choosing between them - it‘s like choosing between your own two kids. Especially Sunshine and Wind Waker, which are the first two games I ever played and finished (and in Sunshine‘s case, completed) on my own without help from older friends or my father.
Now, if this poll asked for the choice in the franchises‘s 2D endeavors, Zelda by a loooooooong shot. Nothing against SMB but my image of the series is seriously tainted negatively by NSMB.
I'm was all Zelda until voting on the Switch games. As someone who didn't care for BOTW, Mario got my vote. Mama mia!
I have Wii U to Mario, because SM3DW is amazing, but also because I consider BotW to be primarily a Switch game. Wii was tough since SS is awesome, but it has its faults; I gave Wii to Mario. BotW is the best 3D Zelda, so Zelda wins Switch, but SM64 is the best game ever, bar none, so I gave Mario the N64 and the overall victory.
I tried to vote... but my brain imploded.

@TossedLlama "where is Mother 3?"
...you'd be unlikely to find it in a 'Mario vs. Zelda' poll
@Kayfios Not sure if you've read the part where I've justified from my POV why FSA wasn't included and and why NSMBW/NSMBU/NSLU were - hopefully that should clear it up! As for a "fair poll", comparing the main series home console games of Mario and Zelda would always yield an unequal set of games for each era - but it seems commenters here (including myself) still found it difficult to choose in certain eras, which was the aimed outcome!
@ottospooky As mentioned, the comparison between BotW and Odyssey as "Game of the Year" is what fuelled this article, hence why the focus is main series home console 3D games of each era and not entire franchises themselves. If that were the case, Super Mario has far more surrounding/spinoff titles than Zelda, so it'd likely easily sway the tide in Mario's favour.
Except for Skyward Sword v Galaxy, Zelda wins every time. BotW has unseated Ocarina as both my favorite Zelda game and my overall favorite game of all time.
I voted Zelda on N64 and GC and Mario on Wii, WiiU and Switch.
So Mario overall.
IMHO the Wii U section should've been a landslide win for BotW. 43/57% seems ridiculous to me (because SM3DW and NSMBU were rather unimpressive and the low points of the Mario 2(.5)D series for me) and was the only result that really surprised me.
The toughest choice for me was between Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy though... It should've been a draw, but in the end I voted for Galaxy because I had voted for LoZ in all the other polls.
It's always a tough one for me, Mario games are generally such high quality it's hard to pick against them, with Sunshine it was an easy pick, Wind Waker was a far better game. I haven't played Odyssey yet, but for me it's going to have to be pretty special to top Breath of the Wild.
Zelda games in general suck me into their world unlike any other gaming series. It's no coincidence that my top 3 most played games in the last 3-4 years are Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princess HD and Breath of the Wild, the play time of which engulfs the other two.
fun polls thanks for running these
For me, zelda wins main, but only just. Galaxy has magical music and moments way ahead of its time.
Odyssey is really a great game though - it's just that breath of the wild is a great game as well
It’s like picking a favorite child, but in the end I’d say Zelda edges out Mario by a tiny margin. I adore every single game in question, but the only category Mario won for me was the Wii era.
Every poll was hard, some times more close, others less, but in the end Zelda always got the love.
Went with Zelda most of the time.
My favorite Mario is Super Mario Galaxy 1. Such a gamechanger in my eyes.
And so far the best Zelda to me has been Breath of the Wild. Nice relaxing game (but also exciting at times!)
Zelda all the way. I always love Mario, but sometimes I purchase it just because it is Mario. Zelda is just so much better.The story, the items, the bosses, and it is more challenging.
@WiltonRoots
crazy thing; i had sunshine and didn't finish but this far out in time i checked some youtube vids and that game really holds up visually. zelda games don't as much imo excepting wind waker. i guess that's the pitfall you get when trying to do more 'realistic' type graphics. age shows much much faster.
Well, my picks corresponded exactly with the consensus in every category.
Zelda all the way except during the wii era. I don't remember why exactly but Skyward Sword just didn't do it for me. Still a good game, but probably my least favorite Zelda.
But overall Zelda completely trumps Mario for me. In fact, in my favorite Nintendo series, Mario is a distant third behind Zelda and Metroid.
When your taste is the moste unpopular everytime...
You utter utter...bah. Lucky for you I can't say without getting banned.
Why not both? They're different games. Why is everything always a competition?
I feel threatened by those choices.

@BlueOcean Breath of the Wild, the weakest? No.
Zelda games are great, Mario games are not. Simple as that.
Zelda's best games (Read: LttP & MM) are better but Mario is generally more consistent. Even the lesser Mario games like Sunshine and (flame shields up) Odyssey are perfectly fine and enjoyable games.
One of the best series of polls yet! Keep up the great work guys!
@RainbowGazelle Dear me.
Nothing more than Zelda serie. Simple as that.
I voted for Zelda on almost every poll except the Wii U one. I just love the feeling of going on a great adventure, meeting interesting characters, and exploring gorgeous lands. That is why I choose Zelda, not because of the gameplay at its core (which I love) but the thrill of being a hero, and going on an epic adventure.
I still gotta play Odyssey, but Zelda games are usually my jam (MM if not my most fav game ever, then real close), recently got skyward sword and that has been a blast.
Fun article! Please do a 2D one too.
Can't choose, won't choose
Each generation cited is on same level for me
Including the NSMB games is pretty stupid if you ask me. Yes, they have 3D visuals, but they still play and feel like 2D games, so they have no place in this article if you ask me, and I'm honestly mind-blown that they actually are included. That said, I made my votes while thinking those out of the picture.. not like they would have made much impact because the NSMB games have gone completely stale anyway.
My votes: Mario beats Zelda everywhere, except in the Wii U era. They're all exceptional games and I've had great fun with pretty much all the games listed, and in most cases it is indeed an incredibly tough choice. But overall Mario wins most because I just prefer platforming games, and Yoshi is included in most of them in some way, shape or form (Yoshi's exclusion wasn't the only reason 3D World didn't win for me though, but rather because Breath of the Wild was simply that good, and 3D World, while great fun, felt a bit too stale, like the NSMB games).
Well if we look at this logically its a no contest as the Mario games have far outsold the Zelda games.
As for my own preferences I'd have to go with Mario64 for that era as that is the game I always think of first when the N64 comes to mind despite how great Ocarina is.
Gamecube has to go to the magnificent Windwaker.
The Wii/Wii U generations only have Skyward Sword as an exclusive but I'll throw in Twilight Princess as most people will have played it on those. This still doesn't compare with the Galaxy games, 3D World and the New series.
As for Switch this is a tough one but I will have to go with Mario again purely because whilst I think BOTW is a great game, I don't feel it's a great Zelda game.
The reality is all are great games and the 2 franchises aren't really comparable
The hardest one is easily the latest one. Odyssey and BotW are both amazing in their own ways.
@sword_9mm Oh yeah the more real they try and make games look the worse they age down the line. I have a real thing about uncanny valley games, they creep me out. I tried watching a video about Uncharted 4 and had to switch it off as it made me feel uncomfortable. It's the rubbery movement and the dead eyes.
Visually Mario Sunshine is fantastic, but there was just something about it which didn't gel with me. I put it down and never played it again.
Both are amazing but Zelda takes the grand price.
These two series are the reason I play games. These polls have one clear winner: gamers.
If Link’s Awakening was versing any of these, it would hav even the victor, in my mind, haha
@bimmy-lee Have you noticed - comment sections have become about people sharing their opinions on the topic at hand, not shouting down some idiot for derailing the conversation with the same nonsense over and over again. Bliss...
64 era- Although Mario became the very successful and often times served as the base for the many, many 3D platformers that followed with varying degrees of success, I feel that its game design was as earth shattering as that of the Zelda 64 eras. Although I have reservations with Zelda at this time seeing as it was such a departure for the original, it more than made up for the fact that many of the design choices made during this era is still being used today or at least paved the way for game designers with their projects that soon followed. Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 was such a massive step up in the industry that it was hard to choose. In a very, very rare occurrence, I would have to place quantity over quality for this era, going to Zelda.
GC era- I've played Mario Sunshine and played Windwaker as well. Although both games are a shakeup to the formula used in 64, Windwaker's art style and design was what made it work. Besides, for over a decade and I still think Windwaker's art style is still not an eyesore, not only that, Windwaker had a much more varying number of challenges and memorable moments (fighting the Helmaroc King and the Giant Octos were a blast).
Wii era- This is where it goes to Mario for me. Galaxy was such a great game. Just when I thought that Mario met its limit with Sunshine, Nintendo surprised me with just how good the formula was in the Galaxy series of games. It just worked. Twilight Princess, however, suffers from a lengthy prologue that you would wish you could to skip, was too much like Ocarina of Time and had so much hand holding. It was the total opposite of what I've come to know about Zelda since playing the original it was like a an insult to the intelligence of the player base. Skyward Sword had this problem as well as the repetition of such an annoying boss (The Imprisoned) which is why I never finished it but points to them for the story on SS.
Wii U era- Not much new content was given here, 3D world wins by default and also because I never thought I'd have so much fun playing Cat Mario and laughing out loud when fighting against Meowser.
Switch Era- Odyssey vs Breath of the Wild, I honestly have no idea how to approach this seeing as in terms of gameplay and design over all, the two of them are just spectacular to play. Mario was a refinement of its past 3D games since the N64 era and has run away with it that it was so much fun. Whenever I play this game, I feel like a little kid again, Odyssey was such an enjoyable experience I hardly find in most AAA games these days. On the other hand, Breath of the Wild changed, shattered, and ruined open world games for me. Every time I finish just about another reading on a skull exam or a chest exam on the x-ray, I think of this game. When I look at the Negatoscope, I see another place that makes me think about how to storm a stronghold of Moblins and Bokoblins. Yes it is flawed, yet all games are, but this was such an addiction that I couldn't stop until I eventually had to, when I was sinking more than 100 hours already. Zelda wins this one for sure.
Why start with the 64s? Why make it only about the 3D games? Surely Mario World Vs Link to the Past, SMB Vs LoZ or Mario 3 Vs Zelda 2 (joke) is just as valid a poll?
And then why just the home consoles? The article was inspired by comparing the Switch titles, so why not a hybrid list, including the handheld games? (Admittedly the GBC and GBA only got Mario remakes, not originals, but if you’re counting the HD Zelda remakes, why not...?)
Super mario 64 all the way but I'm the minority
I voted always Zelda in all polls,aside from the Wii U and Switch ones.
This is the kind of poll if asked at another time I could easily flip my answers the other way except for Wii where I would always vote Galaxy. Both sets of these games are fantastic in my eyes, and most are right up there as the best games i've ever played.
I think Odyssey is a bit overblown now after a few weeks of playing the main game and a good chunk of the afters. All I know is, I'm back playing BotW again.....
BotW wins for me.
Mario seems to be taking Wii era, which seems about right. And then it’s a clean sweep of zelda.
Now compare their portable offerings.
Stop Nintendo Life! You will not pull this family apart. I love both of them equally.
Why did Ocarina of Time outclass Super Mario 64 in the poll when the latter revolutionized 3D game design? It doesn't make sense to me.
@ottospooky sunshine was one of he worst mario games. Loved it at the time but recollected finding it frustrating and never finishing it.
Revisiting it recently I found it was because the controls are camera positioning is probably the worst ever displayed in a Nintendo game.
@G-Boy mario was first to the market but made by the same person.
Mario was first to show off moving in a 3D world, zelda was hebfirst to show real control of your environment. Red Dead, GTA, Shenmue. All of these huge 3D environment games owe nearly everything to to what was achieved and laid out as the blueprint in Ocarina of Time.
@carlos82 you’ll throw in twilight princess she a Wii release? That’s awfully nice of you seen as it was a Wii launch title haha.
I pretty much agree with every result. It's sort of as if Mario always sets the standard for new hardware and then Zelda comes along to beat/raise the standard later in the consoles life. Sure BOTW is already out on Switch but, that's due to the WiiU's failure and the long dev. cycle of the game. It's not a true Switch Zelda in my eyes.
@GC-161 mario has only sold 6 times as much as zelda bit that graphic would lead you to believe its more like 100 times more. Given the sheer number of more mario titles been developed in the same span of time than zelda and that mario is the lead software and Mickey Mouse of Nintendo, I would expect it to sell way more. Platformers are a way more accessible genre as well for a bigger demographic.
I think the poll is judging the two games in their technical merits and what they achieved relative to their respective franchise
I love Zelda more than Mario on the first playthrough. However, I typically find Mario more enjoyable to replay.
didn't vote on this one. it is impossible to me to choose one over the other since I freaking love these 2 franchises
Never understood the hype with Zelda games...
I've played almost all of the mainline 3D ones at this point, and I quite enjoyed most of them, but it never seems to beat out Mario (except for maybe 3D world, but definitely not by an HD remake).
I guess I just really like platforming.
Don't make me do this
I only skipped the Switch poll since I didn't think it would be fair if I voted (No Switch here; this means no Odyssey, and I'm holding out to play BotW on it).
I voted for the Zelda franchise in all but the poll for the Wii. While I love Twilight Princess and like Skyward Sword, I felt that both Super Mario Galaxy games are cumulatively better.
Don't get me wrong, I love the portly plumber, but I usually enjoy Zelda games more.
@DESS-M-8 I play sunshine all the time (it almost never leaves the Gamecube it's in) and I can safely say that it easily has the tightest controls and the best camera of any 3D platformer I've ever played.
To soon for botw and odyssey
Never been a big fan of the 3d mario games i have played and enjoyed many of them but the 2d games have always felt better to me
It's a tough call for me as far as the N64 era goes. To me, both are probably 1 and 1A of Nintendo's greatest games (and its interchangeable which goes where). Maybe Mario 64 gets the slight edge based on the fact that I don't know if anyone expected a genre defining series to translate to 3D as perfectly as it did. And that's not to suggest its a perfect game (camera issues and all). But it remains the blue print on how a 3D platformer should be constructed. As for Zelda, maybe you can argue that in a sense, it was already prepared for the transition to 3D. So I give the slight Edge to Mario 64
For GC: I have to go with WW. I still get goosebumps thinking about how bittersweet the reveals where in the story. I didn't appreciate the game and gameplay as a whole until the HD remake. So there's a bit of revisionist history going on here. I recall back in 2003 being blown away at how emotional a series I had a fondness for could be. I still think it has the best story of any Zelda game. I like Sunshine. Its probably my least favorite Mario game. But not really an indictment on its quality. And I'd have to say Twilight Princess (which I played on the GC) is my least favorite Zelda. But again, not necessarily suggesting its a bad game.
Wii? I give the nods to the Galaxy games. Skyward Sword was fun. But the Galaxy games took everything about a 3D Mario game and flipped it on its head. Probably the best in level design of any Mario game.
Wii U: Hands down its the Zelda remakes. Super Mario 3D World was fun. The NSMB games are okay. But I grew a new appreciation for WW and had more fun than I recall back in 2006 with TP.
Switch: This is toughy. I think BoTW is fantastic. Deserving of its near universal praise. Not perfect. But everything it seeks to do absolutely well, it accomplishes it and more. I still think the removal of the traditional dungeon and making the entire overworld a dungeon in a sense was a brilliant move.
However, Super Mario Odyssey has stirred in me something that a 3D Mario hasn't done since Mario 64. Its unabashedly Mario 64 Part 2 (as I said, on steroids) and I am more than fine with that. I also think the rep that it gets for being too easy is not entirely accurate or at least partly true. I think its such a huge game in its objectives that the challenging platforming aspects we typically get in a more compact dose in a Mario game is just more spread out.
Overall, I love both franchises and this is really for the sake of discussion. Whenever there's a new game out for both, they (along with Pokemon) are typically day 1 (or near day 1) buys for me. No hesitation.
Voted Zelda at every turn. I love Mario games, but Galaxy and Sunshine are just boring to me.
Zelda can frustrate me, I'm awful at puzzle games and own the players guides for nearly every one, but I love the story, the gameplay, the music, the combat, and the sense of triumph that comes from collecting a heart piece, defeating a boss, or discovering a secret for the first time. Mario games in general are a much more shallow experience, but still great.
The Mario franchise may have sold more games including kart, sports, party, rpg, dream team, etc, but if that's what makes a game better than another, doesn't that make the dreaded Call of Duty and Madden some of the greatest games ever made? Maybe their first entries, but I hope not anymore.
Zelda, near any Zelda, is a story so great that people are afraid to make a movie of it, to even voice Link, because its a series so dear to gamers hearts. Think about that, they made a LOTR and Hobbit franchise, rumored to be unfilmable, before Zelda.
I love Mario, but my love for Zelda is on the next level, probably why I have a Zelda themed Wii, Wii U, and Switch and why the only NES games I kept when selling my collection was Zelda and Zelda II.
You can choose Mario if you enjoy it more, but you need to respect Zelda which brought every system to new heights by its mere presence.
With the success of this poll, I am sure the gods of nintendolife is preparing a poll on 2d games... Don't forget the CD-i games That machine revolutionize gaming in more ways than one....
BotW has taken the long held Ocarina throne for me but Odyssey has yet to take the Mario 64 crown though I have only just started Odyssey so there's time for that to change...
Can't we have both?
N64: Zelda
GC: Mario
Wii: Mario
Wii U: Both lose, the Wii U was terrible for 3D adventure games
Switch: Mario
Overall: Mario
Zelda won for me overall 3-2, although I think Odyssey and Galaxy were better in their respective generations. However realistically BOTW belongs to the WiiU gen rather than Switch so thats why I sided with Odyssey as it was built with Switch in mind
I voted for BotW on Switch, but I'm surprised it's beating Odyssey by such a long way. I think it's a bit strange that you included the 2D Mario games on Wii and Wii U if this is supposed to be just 3D games, but this was a good article nonetheless.
@olrodlegacy Yes, it is. It's not even a Zelda game compared to the others and no, it didn't changed for the better.
I think the two Galaxy games are the two best games out of lot but Zelda takes the points overall for consistency of good quality releases.
@WiltonRoots - Yep. For the most part, just real people sharing thoughts and opinions that are within the realm of actual human thought processes. It’s almost like we’re not even part of the Internet at large. I suppose The Return is inevitable, but until then, may we enjoy our respite from lunacy.
Most of these choices were a close call for me. Choosing the Galaxy games over Skyward Sword is not. Overall, I prefer the Mario franchise. Platformers ftw
@WiltonRoots @bimmy-lee Better let sleeping dogs lie. You never know what you might stir up...
@ThanosReXXX - Point taken. Done. I don’t want to be the one to open the gate to The Upside Down.
@tobibra Exactly.
Skyward Sword gets a lot of undeserved hate imo
Gotta be Mario for me. I didn't grow up with Mario nearly as much as I did Zelda, and I just love the series in general.
@subpopz "downplays". Have you even read the two paras? It praises SM64 massively.
@DESS-M-8 Cold hard fact:
Zelda exists (and continues to exist) because Of SUPER MARIO.
Nintendo is in fact the house that Mario built. That's an an achievement no one will be able to take away from said franchise.
You take away Nintendo's main money maker (Mario) and they would've gone belly up decades ago.
I found this to be a really hard choice, mostly because I absolutely love both the Mario and the Zelda series but for different reasons. I voted but if I were to vote again tomorrow I cannot honestly say I would vote the same way.
Mario games are awesome, but there's nothing that compares to the epicness of a Zelda game.
I picked Zelda in almost every single vote but I picked Mario in the last poll because the question is misleading in that is makes it sound like you're voting across all the console versions of Zelda and Mario ever--and I know many people will mistake it to mean that--which means I'd go for Mario ultimately as I think the likes of Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, and Yoshi's Island top most of the Zelda games in existence for me personally.
@bimmy-lee I was wondering about your comment, though. It read like he was banned, but that's probably too much of a wishful thought...
This was a smart and fun way to contextualize a poll, gang. Way to go. Both fun to read and participate in. Plus, my horse won.
The emotional era goes to Metroid prime 1/2 for me. Those are my favorite GameCube titles. Mario sunshine? Meh Twilight princess? Loved it. A close second to Metroid prime. Skyward sword? YUCK! Motion waggle trash.
This list only shows me how underappreciated and neglected Metroid is. Nintendo doesn't farm out Mario or Zelda but they did with Metroid and it shows.
First one is so hard - Mario 64 and OoT are two of my favourite games of all time. In the end I had to pick Mario because of what it achieved mechanically, but both are so magical for me it's hard to compare. Other generations are easier - Wind Waker trumps Sunshine, TP and Skyward Sword trump the Galaxies (probably the two best Zelda games in terms of storytelling), Wii U Mario wins again since Zelda basically had nothing new (sorry, I count BotW as Switch gen to be able to compare there). And finally, with the last two games the decision is hard again. Mario still needs more time to work on me, but I find myself going back to Zelda even when Mario is unfinished. For me, BoTW is the game of the year, and Mario is so close but hasn't quite taken the same giant leap ahead that Zelda did.
I actually think I love Odyssey even more than BOTW.
I couldn't choose on that last question!
@ThanosReXXX - I’m not sure actually. I would assume, but maybe not? It has happened before and he usually comes back cranked up to level to level 11. I’ve been trying to not even think about it in case that kind of energy would cause a rematerialization and just enjoy the decency while it lasts.
@Tsurii Fair enough and all...but you dislike Galaxy for being a "3D NSMB with mediocre controls" but then you really like 3d World, which is straight up a 3D NSMB? Its cool and all and I can understand liking one above the other...but you might want to rethink your reasoning for it, if for no other reason than helping yourself figure out what games you will enjoy in the future.
@DESS-M-8 I’m definitely inclined to agree with you - especially since my not revisiting it leaves me unable to actually confirm how I feel about stuff like the camera and the controls. But in my mind nostalgia is treating it a lot kinder than Wind Waker, which is also patchy in places. Really patchy. And it falls short of the vision of exploration and freedom sold to us all
Wow this was tough..
odyssee and breath of the wild where equal to me. But i voted for breath
@frogopus
And yet there are 3 2D Mario games in the poll
@Aurumonado it so doesn’t and I have played this game to death
If you own a Switch, you don’t have to choose, you can have both.
@GC-161 I think you’ve totally mis understood anything I’ve said.
Mario continues to be one the most successful and consistently high quality franchises ever.
The point I’m making is that Zelda revolutionised the 3D exploration in gaming worlds, more than any other game, that is still evident in games reading today.
The gaming industry owes more to the leaps made in Zelda than in Mario. Fact.
Should’ve included a vote between Super Mario World vs A Link to the Past. The best 2D games of each in the series hands down and still better majority of the 3D entries.
@bimmy-lee Well, I would definitely feel the karma is warranted, because it's a major detriment to the enjoyment of this site, but I also definitely agree with your closing sentiment, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts...
I will always be in the minority of people who just doesn't like Zelda that much.
I LOVED Breath of the Wild (and it was the 1st Zelda I finished), but that's mainly because it's so different compared to the past entries. (Voice acting, more focus on exploration and combat, etc.)
For the most part, the series just doesn't jive with me.
Some of these are too close to call for me 😭
The only one I didn't agree on with the majority was the final question. Even though I don't own a Switch and therefore never played Mario Odyssey (nor BotW with Switch controls, only Wii U), I had to pick Mario because it's the only one of the two that at its heart is an actual Switch game. Don't get me wrong, Breath of the Wild is an incredible game, but it was designed to be an equal experience on both the Wii U and the Switch and as such isn't a true/full Switch experience. As such I couldn't vote for it. Others' opinions vary of course.
That said, having never played Odyssey, should I be worried that it is winning? Does it look better than it plays? Eventually I may own a Switch and this is one of the games I would look to get for it.
Mario I love, whereas Zelda I appreciate. Never had a GameCube or WiiU so didn’t vote there.
If your like me, you come here because you are a diehard Nintendo fan. While we all have our favorites (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.), Mario is and always will be the mascot of Nintendo. It’s not surprising seeing Zelda as the top vote getter while the overall sales numbers point to Mario.
This is a great idea for a set of polls, it was really fun seeing what everyone voted.
Zelda won everything except the Wii for me, not that it’s exactly fair, seeing as there have been more “main-series” 3D Zelda games every generation other than on the Wii… since I generally have found both the Zelda and Mario entries to be fun, having two good games vs one does tip the scales a bit. Hm. Even so, I prefer Zelda overall, it is true.
My votes:
OoT/MM > SM64
Sunshine > WindWaker (barely)
Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword > Galaxy series
Zelda Wii U era > Mario Wii U era (but really, the Mario bar was set low to be beat by HD remakes... of great games nevertheless)
BotW > Odyssey (barely)
@frogopus
Just because they were made using 3D models does not make them a 3D game. Although he clearly is only doing home console, you could easily count a link between worlds in there as well, as it is a main line game built in 3D. The 3Ds was just as, if not, more important than the Wii U.
I'm sorry, but I am simply not brave enough to decide.
Zeldrones, the lot of you.
Voted Mario on most, Zelda was the exception. Zelda on consoles hasn't been my favorite over console Mario for a while.
No matter the result, the two best games ever made are Super mario 64 and Zelda Botw.
NSMBW is not a 3D Mario game. I don't care what argument the author want's to make, it simply doesn't make sense to include them.
Great idea and good read.
Zelda fan all the way, til the end of time !
@DESS-M-8 it was originally a gamecube game that was simply ported to the Wii so I stand by my comment
@DESS-M-8 Naw, i understood what you had implied & your last reply to me confirmed it.
Fact is Super Mario 64 was more influential in the 3D gaming arena than any game before or since. Zelda stands on its shoulders. Fact.
I'm all about different opinions, but the people who thought Sunshine was better than Wind Waker are bonkers.
Super Mario World > The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.
There, I said it.
The lack of love for Skyward Sword is right in the feels.
I refuse to vote for which series is better. They are both amazing and are the reason I got into gaming in the first place.
@NickOfTime90 Skyward sword is my second favourite game ever right after oot.
@tamantayoshi Thank you! It's in second place with me too, right after Majora's Mask.
I love mario and all...but Zelda 100%
""Red or green?""
Pokemon Red or Pokemon Green?!; Ash (Red) or Gary (Green in japan)?!, he he, just kidding
"We hate to do this to you..."
Really?!. Really?!!!
ok, well, really since the n64, it was when I last played a game of Super Mario and Zelda in overall (many reasons of why), then, never play a Super Mario or Zelda game in Game Cube and Wii until Wii U, when Mario 3D World got my attention (specially for remembering Super Mario 2); and now Zelda Breath of Wild also got my attention and also again, Mario Oddyssey!
N64: I refuse to pick a favourite
GC: They we’re both rubbish
Wii: Easily Galaxy 2
Wii U: Mario, but only for Super Luigi U
Switch: Easily Mario Odyssey, I really don’t like BOTW.
while I love Mario, Zelda is my number 1
N64: Ocarina of Time
GC: The Wind Waker
Wii: Mario Galaxy
Wii U: Super Mario
Switch: BOTW
Zelda all the way for me, can't stand the fat plumber and absolutely hate platformers. I don't buy anything with the main focus on the plumber. He might be nintendo's mascot but he ain't mine
@TossedLlama Haha! Yeah, I guess I just had to be that other guy..
The original "Super Mario Bros." was my very first video game, but it never captured my heart despite the fact that I like playing every now and then. I prefer Mario Kart.
I didn't touch "The Legend of Zelda" till the GameCube, but it stole my heart and rupees. I own every console title except Four Swords Adventures and I've got spinoffs too.
Zelda. It's always been Zelda.
@BlueOcean your post literally made me laugh out loud. BOTW is by far the best Zelda game *thus far.
@DESS-M-8 lol okay
@PsychoCrusher Thanks buddy, means a lot!
I’ve always enjoyed the Mario series a bit more but both are obviously great.
Choosing some of these is like choosing your favorite child! However, here are my results:
N64: This was probably the most difficult for me but I went with Mario. Super Mario 64 is one of my favorite games of all-time and it's one of the most influential as well. I remember watching my brother play through it all of the time on the Nintendo 64 and then eventually being mind-blown when it got ported to the DS back in 2004.
GC: Zelda for me, hands down. I'm not a Sunshine hater. In fact, I love Sunshine. The beginning of the game is a lot of fun and Bianco Hills is one of my favorite worlds in any Super Mario game. But it was the least innovative Mario game at a gameplay standpoint and the worlds lacked a lot of the variety in other games. Wind Waker blew me away with its visuals, story, and diverse areas. If I didn't hate the Triforce shard hunt at the end, I'd consider it my favorite game of all-time. Oh, and Twilight Princess is excellent too!
Wii: Mario wins here for me. The Galaxy games were truly incredible. Amazing music, level-design, and gravity-based mechanics make them two of my favorite games. New Super Mario Bros. Wii wasn't so great in my opinion, but it's also not a 3D Mario game. Twilight Princess puts up a really good fight, but it can't beat the Galaxy titles for me. Skyward Sword, while far from bad, just didn't blow me away like other Zelda titles.
Wii U: Zelda wins. Granted, this was a very odd era for Nintendo. We didn't get a proper 3D Mario or Zelda that the Wii U could call its own. Super Mario 3D World was very underwhelming, even if it was a pretty fun multiplayer game. And New Super Mario Bros. U, which still isn't a 3D game, was good but still nothing exciting. Zelda saw HD remasters of two of my favorite 3D Zelda titles (Wind Waker and Twilight Princess). I absolutely love them and I hope they bring them to the Switch as well. We also got Breath of the Wild, of course. But I think most Nintendo fans that had the money at the time picked it up for the Switch instead.
Switch: Although I think Breath of the Wild is the more "revolutionary" title, I personally have to give Mario the win for me. Breath of the Wild is an amazing game, but it ditched so many conventions of 3D Zelda that I loved. And I really like exploring the land for the first hour or so, but the entirety of the over-world just seems to similar and not distinct enough. I know I'm the minority here, but those are just my honest thoughts. Odyssey, on the other hand, took everything I love about 3D Mario games. Big worlds to explore but consistent things to do in every corner? Check. A ton of collectibles? Check. Incredible mechanics? A ton of diversity? Check and check. I felt like the minority of the time I wasn't actually doing anything in Breath of the Wild. In Odyssey, I feel like I'm always finding things, being thrown new challenges, and making progress.
Oh jeez, another absurdly long comment on my part. If someone read all of this, then thanks for making it to hear! And I really liked the idea of this article/poll. I wouldn't mind seeing more content like this, NintendoLife!
Personally, I find Mario to be more accessible and fun (though Zelda's amazing as well) so I voted Mario for best overall. Haven't had a chance to play some of the older games so I only voted in the Wii, Wii U and Switch polls. I think it's a little unfair to pit 3D World and NSMBU against two Zelda remakes (I consider BOTW more of a Switch game).
Between both series, I've preferred the Mario games MOAR overall, would explain how DAT Mario collection right above me revved up in the first place (possibly beaten out by my SpongeBob collection).
The closest for me was the 64 era. Had to go with Mario there - but went with Zelda as best overall.
I think it's unfair.
It should be zelda or Peach
I really do not understand why the NES and SNES games were not considered. 3D or not, great gameplay is great gameplay. I feel overall Mario is the better franchise, but over the last few generations, Zelda had had the better showing, save for the Wii.
Zelda will always be better then Mario for me, but I picked Mario64 over Zelda OoT as that game was a revelation at the time.
My personal favorites are:
1). Super Mario Odyssey. I know that there is a law against naming recent releases as personal number 1's, but I can't remember the last time that I had this much fun!
2). Super Mario Galaxy. There was just something magical about the game!
3). Super Mario Sunshine. I don't care what anyone says, this game was like taking a vacation! It's hard, frustrating, but also relaxing!
3D helped Zelda improve while 3D made Mario tedious and boring. Mario belong in 2D. Zelda is doing great in 3D (although Link Between Worlds was pretty good).
So much fanboying for Zelda. Don't get me wrong, great franchise story wise but some of the games are just not good due to critical issues nonsensical types overlook. Mario has been largely more consistent inside of both the 2D and 3D realm. Could be worse, have a pack of age specific people prattling on how FF7 is unbeatable - hah.
I’m very biases towards Zelda obviously, but I love both games.
@Aozz101x How could you possibly choose?!
Mario had a greater influence on other developers. Mario games are multiplayer games. Mario Maker completely owns that game category. No one even tries to imitate Super Mario World because it's so good. It is in this context that Zelda: Breath of the Wild still miraculously was able to distance itself from all other games. It is truly amazing. But as a franchise, Mario achieved and accomplished more.
This poll is assinine. How can I chose without feeling of betrayal?
Also you failed to mention Link To the Past vs Super Mario World. Each entry in both series was epic, but I have been a Mario fanboy for longer. Ask Miamoto whom he prefers. You don't ask parents to pick favs from among their children.
I'd give BOTW avery slight edge over Odyssey, but they're both spiritual successors of their debuts into 3D (N64) with focus on free roaming.
@SanderEvers
Zelda BOTW is mind bogglingly astounding but if you look at the totality of the franchises, Mario excelled at a more diverse range of experiences. For example: Any good multiplayer Zelda games? Any good level creator game for Zelda? Any good mobile game for Zelda?
NES: Mario
SNES: Mario
N64: Mario ( but only because Mario came first, and was revolutionary )
Gamecube: Zelda
Wii: Mario
Wii U: Mario ( mainly due to there being like 4 games. One of which is Super Mario Maker. )
Switch: Zelda... BotW is just... Too good.
Why did you only start at the N64 era? You could've easily added sections to compare the NES and SNES entries of both series as well.
@Radbot42
Same. What's the point of ignoring the series roots and a good chunk of the games on console and handheld and pretending only 3D games count?
Plus I never had the N64 or GC.
NES: Tie
SNES: Mario
N64: N/A
GC: N/A
Wii: Zelda
WiiU: Both
Switch: N/A
GB/GBC: Zelda
GBA: Zelda
DS: Both
3DS: Both
I picked Zelda over Mario 3-2. Breath of the Wild had a big effect. Of course, if the 2D era was in play, Mario would take the cake!
@GC-161 More popular among the mainstream audience, but Zelda has more dedicated fans who actually log onto gaming websites like this one.
@Sampras That's a bit unfair. Mario is the more popular franchise, but you shouldn't dismiss Zelda just because Nintendo knows that Mario will sell more games with his face slapped on the cover.
No mention of handheld titles as if they didn't have more impact than home console titles...
@roadrunner343 When I say hate, I don't mean the actual definition of the word (Except for maybe Twilight Princess), I just mean I strongly dislike 3D Zelda games.
I'm stupid when it comes to 3D games, so I prefer 2D games, or games with a fixed camera.
I can play 3D games if they're slower paced like Xenoblade Chronicles X, and I can tolerate 3D Mario games because of how little dialogue is in them.
3D games just don't really click with me, and I don't know why on Earth anyone could prefer 3D over 2D. But hey, to each his own.
@carlos82 by that same train of thought breath of the wild is a Wii U game that was ported to Switch. But you class BotW as a Switch game? All over the place, or changing the argument where it best suits you.
Twilight was a wii game, blatant fact. It hasn’t a limited run and muted release on GameCube so not to annoy fans that had waited and didn’t buy wii in day one. Exactly the same as BotW.
Neither was a port, twilight on Wii was actually and enhanced version and played better than the GameCube version also.
@GC-161 no. That’s your opinion not a fact.
The fact that pretty much all games use the camera and control systems employed in Ocarina of time that did not exist in Mario64 is the point.
Yes Mario64 was one of the most ground breaking games ever, but the complexities developed in Zelda are what remain as a blueprint for most of modern gaming. Fact
Mario is my Dad so it would be unfair if I voted for anything else
Family comes first
N64: Zelda
Gamecube: Ah this is hard, I love Sunshine. But I chose Windwaker
Wii: Galaxy 1 is awesome, so Mario
Wii u: Breath of the wild
Switch: Can't vote since I just started Odyssey. So far I like it, though its super lineair (I know that will change, its just the beginning).
In hindsight I could just have voted Odyssey anyway, since Breath belongs on Wii u.
Zelda all the way through except for Galaxy. And yes, BotW is better than Odyssey
Just sad their no options for a tie
@iammikegaines So many Zelda fans disagree with your laughter.
@G-Boy I went by my initial reactions to playing the games and the impact they had on me. 20 years ago when me and my mates began our Mario 64 adventure it was incompatible to anything we had played before. Orcania of time was incredible and again blew us away but it wasn’t the lightbulb moment that Mario 64 was. That’s why I voted 64. So in all I kind of agree with sir.
@bimmy-lee @ThanosReXXX The difference in the comment sections has been huge, but yeah for now we just have to enjoy the silence.
Huh. Opposite of the majority on every issue except the final one. I prefer Zelda in most cases, but I'll admit that I got the most mileage out of Super Mario 64 and the Wii U Mario games on their respective consoles.The Gamecube was my big Zelda time, but then again, I did love most of the 3D Mario games, too. Now, if we were talking about 2D entries, Zelda would win every time for me.
Fun little poll, went Zelda on most, but my gosh this is a clear cut reminder that the worst 3D game in both series both happened on the Gamecube. Just weird coincidence I guess.
I voted....
Zelda
Zelda
Mario
Mario
Zelda
Zelda
I would call Mario my 3rd favorite all-time franchise after Metroid and Zelda. So, Nintendo owns the top three franchises for me. I can't wait to see what Prime 4 is going to be like!
@chiefeagle02 Can't we have that cereal back in production again just as it was back when?
Man oh man how I'd want that!
Interesting that that doesn't match the sales trends.
Mario edges most of these for me. But then in my eyes, Mario basically IS video games.
On Switch I voted for BOTW though. Need more time with Odyssey before I can judge whether it's better. I do think BOTW is a masterpiece though. It managed to simultaneously feel fresh, move away from the tropes that were starting to bore me, and return the series to its proper roots. It has its flaws but it's a wonderful, atmospheric, incentive game.
N64 - Mario (though that's like trying to decide between my two children)
GC - Zelda
Wii - Mario
Wii U - Mario (I played note on Switch-specific it would feel like cheating to vote for that)
Switch - Zelda (see above)
Overall - Mario
always felt that mario games are great but mostly go towards the casual audience but the hardcore fans tend to almost always side with legend of zelda which this kinda proves true to an extent
@WiltonRoots - Maybe I’ve just missed his posts, but I haven’t seen gortsi around for days. Maybe he’s on a figurative vacation, or maybe he just dropped the mic and retired after thoroughally shredding the lot of them with their own words last week.
N64 - Zelda
GC - Zelda
Wii - Mario
Wii U - Mario
Switch - Mario
mario odyssey is so much better than BOTW
@KingSandyRavage Thank you for confirming the FACT that all the 3D Zelda's stood & stand in the shoulders of SUPER MARIO 64.
🤣
@Echocookie "More popular among the mainstream audience, but Zelda has more dedicated fans who actually log onto gaming websites like this one."
Zelda fans have nothing to play for years between Zelda games thus why they have time to waste on a message board. While Super Mario fans are too busy actually playing Mario games to bother confirming that Mario >>>>>>> Superman 64 >>>>> all the Zelda games.
@KingSandyRavage no I'm not changing any argument, I put the part about twilight Princess in because i did the same with BOTW so that it was a consistent argument. I attributed Twilight to the Wii and BOTW to the Switch so I don't really get what your point is other than trying to argue for no reason.
Also yes BOTW is also a port as it was originally intended as a Wii U game, the same as how Twilight was intended as a Gamecube game. I mean the Wii version isn't even correct as the entire game is mirrored to accomadate waggling controls but I see you sometimes confuse your opinions with facts
I love all the mainline Mario and Zelda games but nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever surpass the feeling of playing Mario 64 for the first time. That game was truly revolutionary.
Funnily enough the closest another game has come to that feeling is probably Breath of the Wild!
@GC-161 That's literally just wrong. I only recently finished BotW which took me 7 months to 100%, at which point I started Odyssey which I 100%ed last week. Didn't even take a month. Also I have yet to even start Master Mode or DLC Pack 2 which should take another 7 months when I start. You can't say the only reason Zelda fans come onto this site is because they are too busy waiting for new games. Most Zelda fans enjoy all the other Nintendo franchises while most Mario fans are in it only for Mario. It is such an obvious fact that Mario appeals more to the mainstream audience. The numbers are in the polls, so feel free to say that it was rigged.
@Neon_Blues I completely understand. I don't fully agree (I love BotW, and various other 3D games), but I do agree that as a whole, I much prefer 2D Zelda to 3D. When talking about Mario, I still prefer old 2D Mario to new 3D, but I much prefer the 3D Mario games to the "New" Super Mario Bros. series.
I still sincerely hope Zelda returns to a 2D, dungeon based adventure in the near future. As much as I loved BotW, I still contend it would have been better off long-term to be the launching point for a new IP, rather than a Zelda game.
I went with Super Mario for each poll, though N64 era was a coin flip. It got my vote by virtue of having not played many 3D Zelda games to completion. I have never played Wind Waker nor Majora's Mask, and I have only a taste of Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess. The most important poll for me is that last one, because I think both Odyssey and Breath of the Wild are the best in each franchise's 3D titles. I ended up going with Odyssey due to its variety in gameplay and due to post-game content feeling much more engaging than shrine/korok seed hunting in BoTW.
Sunshine is my favorite from the whole list, proving what a freak I am. I haven't played Odyssey, though.
64: Admire these games, but it's hard to go back to them. I pick Majora's Mask for its unique 3-day storytelling method, which is cool but annoying to replay. The real winner would be Paper Mario.
GC: Easily Sunshine, which is funny since Wind Waker is one of my favorite Zeldas. I love using F.L.U.D.D. and seeing the island areas. Plus Petey Piranha is the best. The real winner would be Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
Wii: Tougher call. I found these games to be fairly meh, containing enough bad elements to counteract the good elements. I went with Twilight Princess only because it gave Smash Bros. a Zelda design. The real winner would be Super Paper Mario.
Wii U: The critical mass of repetitiveness. New Mario Bros vs. Zelda rereleases. I voted Mario because he at least stalled with new games. 3D World is my favorite from this list for its multiple player characters and cute additions like Plessie and Sprixies. I haven't played Color Splash, sadly.
Switch: Couldn't vote because I haven't played Odyssey.
The clear winner is Paper Mario, but we have to table the best Mario games because Zelda lacks an equivalent.
If the 2D Series was involved in the poll then I would give the slight edge to Mario, but 3D era gets a slight victory for Zelda.. by a hair
I couldn’t bring myself to vote on the last one. I just picked Mario because it has a wider audience and is a bigger icon, not because of console war wins.
For me Mario has way more replayability after you finish the main game.
@GC-161 hahahaha
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Mario games, but Zelda is always better because of its story. Mario is more of an 'pick up and play' and Zelda is more immersive for me.
I ALWAys thought I prefer Mario. Apparently not! Loved BOTW & TW but both Galaxy games and Odyssey are a close second for me
Smyward swords motion controls & Sunshines level design are the only 2 things that bothers me (I got RSI from SS)
BotW beats Odyssey by a long way in my book, it's a good game but not even in the same league as Breath of the Wild.
Zelda 2 was my first entry and I've been constantly disappointed by the Zelda series despite the hype time and again but BotW managed to take open world RPGs to the next level.
@Echocookie
No, I understand. I wasn't speaking to the financial success or mass market appeal.
@SanderEvers
I wasn't even thinking about spin off games like that. The main line Mario games still had more overall variety in types of experiences than Zelda. When you say Zelda "stayed more true" that's sort of agreeing that the main line Mario games had more variety. But it wasn't variety for variety's sake. It was excellent new stuff.
Odyssey is not a true platformer? It's not a 2d platformer, but it is a platformer.
Difficult for me with these two franchises.
If we went back to the 2D era, I'd have to say Mario comes out on top, but here I voted in favor of Zelda overall.
I love Mario, but in a side by side battle like this, Zelda always seems to have more depth and story. Both are great, and I think Mario is better when playing on a purely portable console like GBA, DS, 3DS, but Zelda wins on home consoles.
@Echocookie "You can't say the only reason Zelda fans come onto this site is because they are too busy waiting for new games. Most Zelda fans enjoy all the other Nintendo franchises while most Mario fans are in it only for Mario"
LOL So I CAN'T say Zelda fans are only into Zelda but you CAN say that Mario fans are only to Mario?
Stop being such a ridikulas person 😆
Why no vote on NES and SNES versions?
@Hikingguy - Browsed back through the comments and can’t help but notice you wrote of your son in the past tense. If so, I’m deeply sorry, and I can’t even imagine the sorrow.
@BlueOcean well so many other Zelda fans disagree with your comment.
@Hikingguy - From one father to another, again, I’m deeply sorry. I can’t imagine. It breaks my heart. I saw and continue to see my parents go through this process. I’ll think of you both every time I visit Hyrule. My brother always asked me to keep his unfinished file on my OOT cart so he could finish it one day. I open it every year and just goof around without saving. It’s a way I can feel close to him again. Sometimes a game is a lot more than a game.
@iammikegaines Do you realise how stupid all your replies to me are, since the title of the article is "Have your say on the best main series 3D Mario and Zelda games"? Just say your opinion and deal with it.
@bimmy-lee Your story reminds me of this:
https://www.polygon.com/2014/7/23/5929075/rallisport-challenge-ghost-son-races-father-xbox
There's even a video of that story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCtSgb-b7zg
Sorry to hear about your brother.
@Hikingguy I do remember some of those comments @bimmy-lee was talking about, but as it goes in the online world, you sometimes just don't stop to think about what they mean all the time.
Of late, I've unfortunately had my own share of sorrow, having lost my mom because of Alzheimer's, although she did at least have a reasonably long life, something your son sadly didn't get, which deeply saddens me. Children aren't supposed to die so young, and certainly not before their parents, let alone from such a horrible disease.
My deepest sympathies for your loss, and I will make a mental note to keep this story in mind, to prevent me from making any potentially hurtful comment in the future. Not that I am prone to doing so, but I'll keep it in mind just in case.
@BlueOcean alright alright I get it. You obviously don’t like BOTW.
@Hikingguy You're welcome. I can imagine not wanting to talk about it too much, but keeping it inside is also not good, so I hope you've got your support group over there. For me, dropping a message about it every now and then helped me to give it a place inside my mind, so I could move on even though it still hurts, seeing as it happened only a few months ago, and the whole process was quite awful.
And even though you don't want your loved ones to suffer, you still lost someone in the end, which is kind of like a catch 22 feeling, if you get what I'm trying to say.
And we all like to think (me included) that things should happen a certain way, or that there is an order to things, but the reality is that life is chaos; it's only us humans that need to put things in boxes and label them. Nature goes it's own way, unfortunately, and it doesn't take any feelings into account, let alone age, gender or race. But we have to move on, since the world waits for no one, so somehow, our internal mechanism allows us to function and survive, regardless of the emotional side of it.
But we still have the memories, and as long as we live, those people shall travel along with us, everywhere we go, albeit only in our hearts and minds.
And yeah, that ignore button... Been talking to quite a few people about that. I think that NLife meant well and the idea might sound good on paper, but in practice, I just can't use that.
To me personally, it feels like the epitome of defeatism, because it would feel like restricting/punishing myself for mistakes that other people are making, so that's more or less like bending the knee to losers and lesser people, and seeing as I am a proud, intelligent and slightly stubborn person, I just don't do that.
I'll break before I'll bend, and that's going to take a VERY long time...
@iammikegaines I consider Breath of the Wild to be an entertaining game but the worst 3D Zelda game along with Skyward Sword which at least has a half-decent story and dungeons.
@Hikingguy - I went to the Post Hope page, your son was a beautiful little boy. I’m glad you were able to share things in his short time that will stay with you always. My brother passed 10 years ago at the end of December at 25. The save file became a bit of a running joke between us. I know I’m lucky to have 25 years with him when I read stories like what you’ve shared. ThanosReXXX stated it much more eloquently, the passing of time doesn’t make it any easier, but it does take away some of the gut punch of the reality. You’ll be in my thoughts.
@ThanosReXXX - I remember that story from a few years ago. It did hit home with me. I’m really sorry to hear about your mother. Alzheimer’s is so nasty. It strips us of the most important things we have, our memories and often our dignity. As you mentioned so eloquently, I’m sorry she suffered, and I’m glad she’s now at peace. May your memories of her in health outshine what happened in the end. You said it much better, but I guess with the inevitable end we will all face, we can only hope to live long enough to see our elders through their journey, and make our own exit before our seeds (if we sprout them) make theirs. If I quit the Internet tomorrow, there are things you’ve posted here that I’ll keep forever. Cheers friend.
The only thing this poll determined is that there are far more Zelda fanboys out there than there are Mario ones
@bimmy-lee Thanks very much for that compliment, much appreciated. If I was a shy person, I'd probably be blushing right now, but being highly empathic, it still hits home, so thanks.
And I seriously hope you're not quitting the internet anytime soon, though: finding people that you can actually have a normal and decent conversation with on the internet is seemingly becoming more rare every day, since it's all about bashing, winning, proving, being asked to prove, trolling and what not.
Makes me really annoyed and sick at times, with vague sentiments of wishing I'd be able to reach into my monitor to pull them through and slap them across the face a couple of times to teach them some manners.
Unfortunately, every idiot has a voice nowadays, once they have access to the internet, and some of them have no social skills or values whatsoever, or they simply decide that these don't apply to online communication or strangers, in most cases simply because they use their anonymity as a shield or an excuse...
And the saddest thing that is the consequence of that, also on this site, is that good people either decide to stop commenting or leave altogether, which really is the world upside down.
Anyways, don't want to end this comment on a negative note, so here's to better times for all of us and also for Nintendo. Cheers indeed...
@Hikingguy Your kid sounds like he was my kind of person, I can find a lot of those same traits in myself, although I'd probably have a "slightly" bigger issue with losing...
But the rage I used to have about that, has largely subsided once I grew older.
And don't get me wrong: I see and understand why you use the ignore button, it's just that it's not for me. I've also done the trying to reason thing with them, against my better judgment obviously, but I've long since stopped doing that, since it's making me spend precious energy that's of far better use for something that's actually productive.
The other thing with the ignore button that I forgot to mention earlier, is that even though a person's own comments won't be seen anymore, as long as they don't use someone's exact name (or use the name without the @ sign), there's still quite a few instances where you'll still be confronted by mentions or reactions to that person, which means that I should then block everyone that likes or mentions these persons, which in my mind is totally crazy and counterproductive.
On a side note: if I would use it, then I would definitely not give a second thought about hurting someone's feelings, since people like that actually deserve some bad karma. But the most important thing is that they don't learn from it: we ignore them, and they just go about their merry way of trolling and abusiveness. Yet another reason for me not to use that button. THEY need punishment, not me. Of course, all of this is only my personal sentiment, I won't be offended if you, or anyone else, disagrees...
But hey, if it works for you, then by all means. We must all do and like what is best for ourselves.
@Hikingguy
P.S.
Concerning your comment to @bimmy-lee about 25 being too short as well: my mother was 77, but her disease already started to take a hold almost 8 years ago, and the last 3 years were the worst, so technically speaking, the real person that she was, already passed around 5 years ago.
So far as I'm concerned, even she was still too young to go, especially since her own parents were both around 90 when they passed.
Guess it's fair to say that, save for anything well above 80, almost any age is too young where it concerns the people that we hold dear...
@ThanosReXXX - Thank you, and no plans to quit the Internet. I really don’t take too much part in the Internet actually. “Every idiot has a voice” is why I don’t do social media (other than IG) and why this is the only place I read comments and post my own. I have a hard time ignoring the idiots and can relate to wanting to pull them through the screen (in my mid-20s, a judge once “strongly recommended” I take part in an anger management program, which is one of the best things that ever happened to me, it was pretty generic, but I took it seriously because I knew I needed to change and needed help doing so). I’ve always had a problem with NOT taking a jab at idiots, which is why I lurked here for years before joining as a practice in tolerance building. I still get involved in more nonsense than I’d like, but sometimes I know I’ll feel worse letting something particularly ridiculous slide than getting involved in a back and forth. Also not to end on a negative, I have far more great experiences here than bad. I usually see something that brightens my day, and my only hope when posting is that my comment or bad joke may do the same for someone else, or at least not offend. I’ve conversed with some great people in the comment sections and a forum I follow whom I know would be friends IRL, yourself included.
@bimmy-lee Thanks for yet another compliment, and likewise. And we're not that living that far away irl, so if ever you find yourself in Amsterdam, send me a message and I'll buy you a beer.
Completely agreed on social media, don't participate in that either. The average comments section underneath a YouTube video is already more than enough for me...
And we can shake hands were it concerns anger management: I used to be pretty small for my age, I only started to grow faster very suddenly well after my 16th birthday, and nowadays, I'm around 6 ft 3. And a bit wider as well...
But during my time being small, mostly in school and college, I had a hard time. I was bullied by some, ignored by others. And to top it off, I was raised in a family that is quite competitive and is all about making something of yourself. That has apparently resulted in me building up a lot of anger and frustration over the years, which in turn resulted in me having had some pretty hefty outbursts every now and then.
So, in the end, I followed some anger management courses as well, and found my outlet (and serenity) in the gym, and in martial arts.
I did manage to trash quite a few controllers before that time, though. Mainly Amiga and N64 controllers, unfortunately.
Cost me quite a bit to keep buying new ones to accommodate for all those multiplayer games...
And even though I've calmed down quite a bit, I might have to remove my dumbbells from the living room: they're stored pretty close to my computer monitor, and I might potentially still be victim to the odd wanting to throw some object at something feeling...
(just kidding)
@ThanosReXXX - Amsterdam is on my “will visit” list and towards the top. My wife and I probably would have visited by now, but we spent five years moving around the US spending too much money in the process, then started having babies three years ago as if that process happens by some sort of mysterious magic! I guess neither of us paid attention in health class. Would love to take you up on your offer when we do visit. Also, Shuri Ryu karate for me.
@Hikingguy - Oh man, wish I could message you directly as I know this isn’t the place, but my wife works in functional medicine (as far into alternative as mainstream, hospital medicine gets), and she (and by proxy, me) could reply to what you wrote with a textbook of evidence supporting what you said.
@Hikingguy The worst thing about the whole Alzheimer's story with my mom, is that now that she's gone, I see more and more programs on TV about science being on the way to finding a cure, which at least gives some hope for our generation, but for her it was too late, which is frustrating as f...
As for the "old wise men", depending on the era you look at, that's quite relative: from the Middle Ages well into the 1800's people didn't really grow that old on average. In those earlier times, village elders were often 40 - 45, and they were lucky to even live to become 60, mostly due to the harsh life and next to no cures for all those decimating diseases they suffered from back then. Things that we can nowadays cure with a single injection or an antibiotics treatment...
Older people only started to grow in numbers after all that, when we started to become more "urbanized", which brought more services/securities along with it. And obviously, better health care.
So, unless you were off to fight in one of the great wars, you'd stand a fair chance of becoming pretty old, ever since then.
The whole food/allergy problem likely stems from all the changes in how they treat food, and manipulate it. For one problem that they eradicate, two new ones pop up. Things that our grandparents never even got sick from, are now killing people by the dozens every damn day.
Just this week, there was an item on the local news here, that we need to start giving food made from peanuts and eggs to our children much sooner than we used to, because most related allergies occur between them being babies and their first 1,5 year, so if you add these things to their diet, then chances are that these allergies will never surface when they grow older.
Guess we'll find out in about 10 - 20 years of time how well that worked out... (provided people actually take heed of that advice)
But the thing is that advice like that keeps changing during the years. We find faults in stuff we used to consume for decades every year, and exchange it for something else, only to find that after a decade or so, that is also on the don't eat it list, all of a sudden.
Sometimes it's all too hard and frustrating to keep up with all that, and I personally believe that if you just use some common sense, and don't do too much of anything in that regard, you'll probably be relatively okay. And more importantly: we also have to be able to enjoy being here and living, instead of constantly making checklists and watching what we're doing. That's surviving, not living.
I'd rather become 75 having had a very enjoyable life, than a 100 with a life constantly restraining myself and sticking to some strict regiment. Oh well, to each their own, I guess...
And I see I have to elaborate on the whole ignore button thing: I wasn't making a mistake, what I meant was that when you or someone else mentions a person I might have ignored, but you don't use the @ sign, I'd still see that, and if one of these persons has a certain nickname on NLife, I can also see that being mentioned, so there's always the odd comment in between the rest that does that, or that might make little sense, because it mentions someone that you blocked, so it's almost like reading incomplete stories, and personally, I think I would also find that pretty annoying.
Examples:
"Oh no, Negative Nancy is at it again"
"So, have you seen that guy's latest comment?"
"Phew, I'm getting really tired of that IrishTroll guy... "
So, what I do instead, is just scroll past these kinds of comments, and ignore them myself, instead of using an ignore button.
@bimmy-lee Just keep hanging around here, and we'll see to it that we can make that work some day. Some time ago, I already agreed to share a pint with @samuelvictor, another one of those decent and entertaining discussion partners.
Next thing you know, this Dutch-ified American is having drinks with a whole bunch of Brits somewhere in the next few years...
P.S.
Here's a trick to sending someone a private message: if you only check the incoming messages through your profile on here, it won't work, but if you let them enter your personal email inbox (activate notification in your profile settings, if you haven't already), then you can send and receive messages, that are still stored in your email inbox, even if you delete them here on the site moments after posting them.
So, find a very old thread, send someone your private email address, or let them send it to you from that thread, and let them reply (or reply yourself if they sent it to you) when having received it and then delete it again.
I've done the same with several people on here, and it works like a charm.
@bimmy-lee Correction: confused you with someone else...
@ThanosReXXX - That’s a smart work around. I hope we’ll have reason to use it in the years to come. My kids are three and one, so it could be a while before we get the chance to leave them for a lengthy trip, but I don’t plan to leave this site either. I’ve had a couple nice conversations with @samuelvictor and I’d love to share a pint or nine with you both some day.
@samuelvictor Yeah, deep stuff sometimes happens, even on game sites.
But all joking aside: as a highly empathic person, I just HAD to respond to that, when I was scrolling through the comments here.
As for being in your neck of the woods: I'm the only yank that's anywhere near being close, seeing as the others are still back home on the other side of the pond...
And now that we're talking about that, I actually kind of expected that you might be visiting one of the current film festivals, since you previously told me you have been to some. I believe IDFA was held last week, or the week before, so I thought that an event like that could have possibly been on your list. Maybe not every year, but every once in a while.
@bimmy-lee Nine, no less? That's going to be some conversation, then...
@samuelvictor @ThanosReXXX - Just trying to keep our options open. I’m past my prime, but I can still hit a nice stride given the right circumstances. I’ve been on a roll lately, super slow period at the office, barely a need to go in until after the new year, and my wife has had quite a bit of time off. Plus, I get pretty festive and celebratory this time of year. Cheers.
@bimmy-lee That almost sounds like an apology, and none is needed.
And past your prime? Luckily, I'm not that sensitive where it concerns age-related comments, otherwise I'd probably feel well on my way to the end at 47...
No man, I'm just starting to get into gear. I'm one of them good old steam engines. All aboard....
40 is the new 30.
@bimmy-lee
P.S.
Concerning your comment #213: gortsi is still here, commenting away with sharp, to the point statements. One of the smarter new(er) subs, I'd say.
If you'd like to know in what thread people are currently commenting, just check their profile...
@ThanosReXXX - Oh, goodness no, sorry. I was referring to my personal drinking prime of my 20s and early 30s. I still have every bit as much in me now, but I require a proper warm up, and several days of water guzzling cool down after a major circuit title bout. As opposed to my prime when it was any time, all the time.
As for my physical and mental state, I’m with you, I feel like I’m just scratching the surface of my prime. I can only compare me to myself, but if I was a one on one fighter, I’d totally choose the older stag me (battle scars and all) over the young buck me. It’s not even close. Chug on well oiled steam engine... chug on. As far as apologies concerning over indulgence, I adhere strictly to the Tao of Popeye: I yam what I yam, and that’s all that I yam.
I saw gortsi post a few times today. I enjoy his “accept no BS” attitude as well as his ability to soften when necessary. The mark of a good samurai.
@bimmy-lee Several DAYS of water drinking? That sure makes me wonder what volumes of alcohol are consumed during "a major circuit title bout"...
I almost never have any major issues, or a hangover, regardless of how much I drink, and in my case, that's mostly beer or Bacardi & Coke.
Guess I'm either pretty good at holding my liquor, or just lucky...
(or it's just the nature of the beast: Taurus)
As for a warm up: I just use the first drink for that, after that, I'm good to go. But I do always keep some food at hand, or when I'm out, I'll just get a burger or some takeaway in between drinks.
Best thing you can do the next day, is start with a couple of pieces of fruit, or a fruit smoothy. Although if you ask the British or most Scandinavian people, they'd probably go for "hair of the dog". Hope you're familiar with that expression, but if not, here you go...
Water is always good, though, but the specific sugars in fruits help alleviate certain effects a lot quicker. Eat only fruit during the day, and then in the evening a normal, hearty meal of meat and vegetables, and we're almost like new again...
@ThanosReXXX - Ha! I’m a water guzzler by nature, and a general hydration worrier. I just need a lot of water to feel properly balanced. I try to do a pint of water between every real pint when I’m going at it. I’ve had a couple kidney stones, so that probably plays into it. I think the stones are genetic, my mother’s side of the family is prone, and coffee is the only thing I indulge that leads to them.
Hair of the dog has never worked for me, makes me feel worse, but the fruit smoothie or a greasy spoon diner breakfast is the ticket for me. My kids and I have a smoothie with our breakfast five, sometimes six days a week, and I load them with goodness.
I’m a beer drinker myself, usually not macro, but I’m not a snob. I would be a poor beer critic as I find most of them drinkable. My wife and I usually keep a bottle of scotch on hand, usually Talisker or Lagavullen, but I’m also prone to gin drinks with muddled fruits and herbs.
Truth be told, since it seems like it’s just you and I left here in our own personal chat space, a poke or two of the old red light special, two cups of powerful coffee, and a smoothie usually sets me straight on a rough morning.
Though I don’t actually know you, you seem a Taurus through and through. That’s a compliment. I’m a Libra by two days, and see some of those traits, but feel more like a Virgo. I was five days past due, but that doesn’t mean much in my book.
@bimmy-lee Yeah, I'm the bull that no one can take for a ride...
Taurus, Thanos, might even be a connection there, for the conspiracy theorists that look long and hard enough...
Have to inform you that seeing as I've been living in Europe since I was 9, that I'm not all that familiar anymore with urban sayings and stuff, so I had to look it up, also because for me, living in Amsterdam, red lights only mean one thing...
But I get the gist of it, so no need to explain any further...
Was just kidding about the star sign, though. Don't put too much stock in astrology personally. I make my own way and my own destiny, and nothing is preordained, other than us getting born and eventually leaving this Earth permanently. Oh, and taxes...
As for Scotch: try Glenfiddich, Dimple or Famous Grouse, popular brands over here in Europe. And good to drink as well. And we also have all the various Johnny Walker's over here.
Back in the day, I used to drink Four Roses as well, although mostly combined with Cola.
Anyways, I'm going to leave you guys for the day: it's 5:44am over here. Luckily, I'm my own boss, so I'll just get up a couple hours later than normal...
@Hikingguy You're most welcome, it was no trouble at all, and something I felt compelled to do, as one decent human being to another, who's feelings I can sadly enough understand all too well.
So, a tea person, huh?
I drink a lot of tea as well: in the morning, in the afternoon, and a couple of cups before going to bed. In between it's coffee, and mostly only on fridays and the rest of the weekend, it's a spot of alcohol. Doesn't have to be beer, there's so many more options.
But I can respect a person not touching the stuff as well. I guess I just consider myself to be what they call a "Burgundian", an enjoyer of life and all it's rewards, although in my case it's most of it's rewards: I don't smoke or use drugs, but I do like good food and the odd drink here and there.
As for the whole medicine industry: completely agreed. Over here, it's a bit less than back in the States, but in general it's the same, only on a smaller scale. And we have health benefits, so not everything needs to be paid for, that's the difference between most European countries and the Americas.
Well, gotta go now, it's WAY past my bedtime, like I already said to bimmy. See you later, take care.
@Hikingguy - My friend, you’ll never not be in my thoughts. When I told my wife about what’s transpired here over the last 24 hours, I could barely do so without breaking down. The nearly unbearable love we feel for our children is universal. Our interaction was meant to be, and whatever insignificant role I could play could play in slightly reducing your sorrow, I wish I could do more.
@Hikingguy - I’m here right now, and I have notifications on. It took a ridiculously long time to type that last post because my WiFi has been struggling with this site mightily for the last few days. I’m on LTE and moving much faster now if you want to send.
@Hikingguy - Got it, delete.
@Hikingguy - Just e-mailed you from my yahoo account.
@Hikingguy - Though it’s not nearly as late for me as it is for ThanosReXXX, I’m retiring soon, but I think we have a lot to converse about, and I’ll write you in the morning. I’m a relatively early riser, though I’ll try to sparse my thoughts out in several e-mails as opposed to one long diatribe. More important, I would like to be a soundboard for you to reverberate your thoughts, because that’s the most useful way I can think to help. I understand the desire to say something juxtaposed with the notion to never talk about it. My e-mail can be your journal as far as I’m concerned.
@ThanosReXXX - Just a follow up, the term I used above that you looked up, I made it up in relation to what I meant. I couldn’t think of an acceptable term to use, and it only registered this morning that what I wrote could be horribly misconstrued in many ways. I’m sure you figured out what I meant, probably the most socially acceptable option out of all the possibilities.
@bimmy-lee Haha, not to worry, man. I figured it would have something to do with adult interaction. The other explanation I found on urban dictionary dot com didn't really look like a viable option.
Then again: what do I know?
@Hikingguy Normally, I would definitely agree to that, but in this case, I don't think we did too much damage, since most members have already posted, so this topic is already abandoned.
And sometimes, conversations just organically move in a certain direction, and that's not a bad thing, as long as all participants treat it with the respect it deserves.
But since you mentioned it, I personally still hold Ocarina of Time in very high regard, because of the amazing story and the adventures I had back then, so also a bit of retro-sentiment there...
But I was also blown away by Super Mario 64 back then: it truly was the first time a platform adventure really worked and played that well in 3D, and everything else that followed, including Zelda, has that game to thank for that.
As for the later games: both Mario Sunshine and The Wind Waker have a special place in my heart and mind, and although I also liked the later games quite a bit, these are my personal favorites.
But all in all, I enjoyed most of the games of both series, and Mario Galaxy was also great fun, and also for that reason it's a game I still own. (in fact, I still own all my games for all systems. Never sell any console or game is my motto) And where it concerns Zelda, I also have both Zelda Wii games, and I got the limited edition of Skyward Sword with the golden Wii remote, and I love how they always find new ways to display the Zelda game world, going from the first "realistic" 3D outing to a cartoon look to the (in my opinion) beautifully aquarelle/water-painted look of Skyward Sword.
On Wii U, I only have Mario 3D World and none of the Zelda games, and I don't have a Switch yet, so can't comment on any of these, other than that I once again love the look of the current Zelda and my fingers are itching to play Mario Odyssey...
@Hikingguy Yeah, I know what you mean, and I can definitely understand, even though I don't have any children of my own.
The reason I personally don't have a Switch is other responsibilities, and tied into that, money to spend on it and some games, because buying only the system simply is a no go for me.
Just out of curiosity, and because I'm also a Dreamcast owner, who still massively enjoys that system to this day, what exactly is it that doesn't allow you to play certain 3D games without any physical discomfort? I would think that it doesn't matter that much if it is a previous gen or a current gen game, but maybe I'm missing something.
@Hikingguy I'm obviously no expert, but that sounds to me like it's motion sickness, albeit specifically with camera "wobble" and sway, since there are a number of games that you can actually play without any problems, but from what I know of these games, they don't have any sudden or "jerky" camera movements.
That actually is the case with FAST Racing NEO, though: a lot of to-and-fro with the camera, and ups and downs close to the vehicle. If you're sensitive to that, I can imagine the effects on you.
When I was a kid, I actually had motion sickness myself, meaning I got sick in the car, in public transport and in merry go rounds and such. In public transport, I could only manage the ride if my seat was facing the same direction as the driver's (we have several companies over here that have buses with seats facing each other). I also couldn't read during travel. All of that made me nauseous.
But, as I grew older, I apparently outgrew it, and nowadays I don't have any issues with it at all anymore.
I personally don't think that frame rate/smoothness of a game can have a really big influence on that nausea feeling, although in a worst case scenario, it might worsen any camera jerkiness that's present in a game, which actually could induce nausea...
@ThanosReXXX @Hikingguy - Right after I run my mouth about things slowing down at the office and having time off, I get slammed. It’s a good thing though. I’ve been trying to find the time for two days just to chime in (since we hilariously circled back around to on topic) that BOTW will overtake OOT as my favorite game ever when I complete the story. WW had my favorite LOZ aesthetic. As big of a LOZ fan as I am am, Mario will always be my most anticipated game(s) in a generation. Just pure fun for me, where LOZ is an event, and I tend to obsess over every new entry for months and play nothing else. I can’t wait to get my Switch and dig in to Odyssey.
@bimmy-lee Yeah, things got pretty deep there for a little while, but now we have finally resurfaced...
@Hikingguy I also have Freedom Planet on the Wii U (it came with the Humble Bundle I bought), and there actually is a "bob-like" motion present in the game, which occurs when you make a loop while running real fast. The camera then has to stay (partially) fixed on the character, making the screen sway in a large circle. That might be it.
Try an original Sonic game and if you get the same discomfort with that, then we might be on to something.
As for FPS games and such, you could just change the sensitivity settings so the camera doesn't sway and tilt so much when moving. Or you could just stick to third person games, who have even less of those issues, which is obviously true, as proven by you being able to play Breath of the Wild for hours on end with literally no problems whatsoever.
@GC-161 Do you know when the graphic is from? thx
@BarFooToo What are you on about?
I dunno what you're asking me aboot.
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