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Seeing Suikoden arrive in 4th has me hopeful that Konami sees how much the series means to so many people. Obviously I pre-ordered... though... I kind of wish I hadn't. The "Day One Edition" has a butt-ugly "sticker" on it, telling me of the pre-order bonus I have no intention of using. Kind of wish I had the "Regular" edition instead.

I usually prefer the animé look, but in this instance the Western one just fits the game perfectly.

I have heard the name before, but don't even know what kind of game it is, or that it spawned so many different media... but my my, this comment section sure shows it has the capacity for strong emotions for anyone invested in the IP.

@squidduforeal Right? What does Trump have to do with this? Unless it somehow relates to the underage panty shots mentioned earlier. But then I still don't get it.

@brakeman90 Now that you mention it, movement does feel a bit choppier. But I can take the bad with the good in this instance. I do love Suikoden dearly.

@brakeman90 Honestly, what does 60fps do for an RPG anyways? I honestly don't really feel a difference. It plays the same, pretty much, except for the diagonal movement and walking being a tad slow while running feels too fast... but that is nitpicking on my end. I don't think I would notice a difference...

Wow, lots of people have this as a core memory, huh?

And here I am, seeing Robocop at around that age and being scarred for life, instead of having a happy memory. That, and E.T. kicking in my depression. Yeah, I was more scared of these movies than entertained, haha.

Good fit for the franchise I suppose.

I am not a good fit for the franchise though, hahaha. So not for me.

@GravyThief You are explaining yourself perfectly. I feel the same way for FFVI, which is far superior in its original form (Well... GBA form is best, but certainly not the remaster)

For Suikoden though, it's not a downgrade in my eyes. Sure, the portraits are a little TOO polished, but everything else at least feels well done to me. The graphics are top notch in my book.

@Tetsuro @rio_j @Metalinkster @solarwolf07 Thanks everyone for the replies.

Something to ponder. On the one hand sounds like my game, but if settlement building is out, I will be missing on a part I would probably enjoy the most.

@-wc- And you are the Lifer I associate with friendly banter! So good times for us!

@EarthboundBenjy Played it fairly recently and I don't even think I visited one performances in Budehuc. That is my only complaint about the Suikoden series. A lot of optional "mini-events" that I always skip for story reasons. "What? An army at the gates? Hang on, I need to find some ingredients on the other side of the world for this dish and I am also about to watch this play... lemme take a bath real quick."

@Sketcz To be fair, there were some pretty bad mistakes in these games. Masterpiece or not, spelling mistakes are blegh. That, and some egregious out of place swearing that I hope they removed, because it is very unbefitting a fantasy world with a very different pantheon.

@Teksette So many people about to play part II for the first time. I hope you will enjoy it as much as I did way back when!

@Kraven Enjoy! I think Suikoden II is better when you play it straight after the first, but obviously it's up to you.

@wuntyme8 It is well worth your time. They are not overly long games. Especially the first doesn't take long, but pays off emotionally, if you ask me.

@-wc- I am so happy for you that you get to enjoy Suikoden II for the very first time. In a lot of ways it is superior to Suikoden I, but I view them as one game, since the second really can't exist without the first.

And once you have enjoyed the second, the third picks up again after the second, and I personally feel the pay-off is wonderful, tying things together. So if you can find a way to play it, well worth it.

@Tetsuro Curious about your thoughts, because the Suikoden II character portraits have, for the most part, merely received a slightly upscaled, less pixelated update. Sure, I myself am partial to the pixelated look, but they are for all intents and purposes the same.

Suikoden I has received completely new art, and frankly, I prefer the new portraits. The original had some pretty bad ones in there (Flik), and they are now more in line with every Suikoden game that came after. The one I loved from the original, Odessa, has received an upgrade that basically keeps the charm of her original portrait. So... Personally I am happy.

But even if I end up disliking this remaster (the sound effects in some early footage was GRATING), I still have them on PS3 and even on original disc, so... no complaints from me.

I see it on sale pretty often. Is it worth getting in a sale?

I currently mostly have time for casual play. I can't really muster the kind of attention needed for deep games. Where would this game fall in the spectrum casual - deep?

For those in the know, a hugely important addition (unfortunately in a day 0 patch, but oh well), is the option to remove the time limit for some events in Suikoden II. That was my only hope, and they added the option to remove it.

Can't wait to start (re)playing it. It's supposedly already on its way to my home.

@wollywoo Obviously I have some rose tinted glasses on, but these games are WELL worth your time. The stories are amazing and they don't overstay their welcome. The first game can be beaten in well under 20 hours.

The Suikoden animé news made me squeel with glee! I was just about to learn animation simply to create one myself, that's how much I have always wanted to have one. Not that that would ever materialise, but you catch my drift.

I hope it will be animated in the same vein as Grimgar, which is a really good animé (aside from the awful fan-service) with an amazing art style. When I have some more time I will see what credentials these guys have, to see if I can glean what type of style they usually employ.

The mobile game though... It looks a lot like the Octopath Traveler mobile game, and while I love the console games, the whole gatcha concept ruins it. It also looks closer to Eiyuden in terms of character and world design and... well... that doesn't exactly spark confidence either. For all its beauty, because it does have its charm, it somehow seems to lack the charm of the originals. I would love to stand corrected, though. Maybe it's just my past experiences that are colouring my thoughts right now.

I haven't had the chance to see the entire broadcast but I was lucky enough to find out about the removal of the timed events.

For those not in the know, there is an event in the original game that you can only access if you basically speedrun the entire game, which pretty much means you cannot properly enjoy the game if you wish to see this event. And you really pretty much cannot make a mistake either, or you will miss it. At the same time, the event is pretty cool, so it sucks... So I am immensely happy they removed it.

Now... anyways... I hope they will translate and release the Suikogaiden games as well as remaster the other games, because those two games 100% deserve to be enjoyed by us as well, and well... we deserve them too!

It's crazy how Mario Kart is still topping the charts after all these years. Says a lot about the state of the industry, I suppose. However, is this physical only? Since many games aren't even available physically, that might skew one's opinion.

Dull and Duller

@Daggot For what it's worth, the originals due out soon, especially the first one, aren't huge time wasters. You can finish Suikoden I in under 20 hours, and it is worth playing it without trying to find every character. Suikoden II is a larger game, but you will stil feel way more progress in a shorter amount of time. They are worth playing.

@EarthboundBenjy I agree with your points.

It definitely is the weakest of the mainline series. I do not consider the DS and PSP games a Suikoden games, so this one is the weakest, but I enjoyed it greatly. Not sure I liked some of the implications made about the world, though.

Wild guess, this won't be available in the Netherlands and the other countries that banned "gambling" games.

At best this makes me want to replay Arceus. The cityscape doesn't feel adventurous to me.

I really wanted to like this game. I might give it another try sometime next year, but it didn't grab me at all.

At least I was able to turn off the voice acting. I know I am an outlier here, but I truly loathe the current trend in voice acting. Honestly the only game that had passable to good voice acting, as far as I can remember, was Final Fantasy 12. Same with the script. The script and voice acting in this game feels anachronistic and juvenile.

@Tetsuro Respectfully disagree. Yes, rose tinted glasses, but they are both great. In way different ways, mind you, but both great. II has a more evolved, more fleshed out story, but I has some truly amazing moments as well. Also, II is great because there is a lot of pay-off from things set up in I.

But yeah, II is more impactful in many ways.

@Kestrel If they remaster 3 and 5, they will also remaster 4. And I would argue it is the one most in need of a remaster. 3 was pretty, 5 was pretty, 4 looked lacklustre but the story was fine. And I personally liked how they wrapped up a very confusing thing in the game in Tactics afterwards.

@Teksette I am happy for you that you will be able to enjoy Suikoden II for the first time. If you loved the first game, you will LOVE the next one. Find a way to play III afterwards. Their stories loosely connect, from I to III.

@RupeeClock Well, my kids are strange creatures so they would probably still enjoy it hahaha. They love Five Nights at Freddy's....

And I became old.

Saw the dev mention this on another site I frequent. Good of NL to feature this. I almost feel compelled to buy the original as a form of support. I am sure my kids will love it.

@-wc- You... seriously voted for Europe? I mean, to each their own, but it is objectively bad. The title looks like WordArt, and the fish are 3D for some inexplicable reason, and clearly pasted in with very little effort to make them part of the scene.

I respect your opinions and enjoy our banter here on this site, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on this one here.

@ovelhaeletrica Maybe after Spongebob.

And no, I am not kidding. There will be a Spongebob M:tG crossover. So Peppa Pig might not actually be as far fetched as you think.

@Krisi That is exactly how I feel.

Magic already lost me ages ago, then with crossovers like Walking Dead and Doctor Who I was even more done... and I LIKE those franchises. And now this.

And I wish this was the craziest one. Wait for the Spongebob crossover.

And no, I am not kidding. I wish I was.

They're not outlaws though... are they?

@Duncanballs I am going to guess this is a physical media chart. The retail space comment suggests as much. I am sure if Steam is factored in, the percentage will look very different.

I could be wrong, though.

@-wc- No prob. I REALLY liked Rising for what it is. I like low stakes style stories, and I felt connected to the town as my actions influenced the growth.

It's not a great game by any stretch, but it felt... homely for lack of a better term. I 100% it. And I am a person who spends way too much time on Kairosoft games, so take my opinion on ganes with a grain of salt.

100 Heroes...

Not so much.

I don't want to spoil it for you so I will leave it at that. It didn't click with me the same way Suikoden did. But you and I are not the same, so you might end up loving it.

@GoatFace04 The simplest one too. You can't tell me it's difficult to implement for Nintendo.

After buying 22 Hentai games, I kind of had my fill and don't want to see the new editions in the list. (Joking)

Give me the option to hide games and devs, and we good.

The website gave me motion sickness.

And I agree with the assessment of it containing an unhealthy dose of AI-generated dross.

@Smithicus I played one. DQ8 on PS2.

I hated it.

This is a purely personal opinion, but who knows, maybe it'll give you some insight, and it will be good for discussion, to see how others react to my views, but here is my take.

To me, it felt like a NES RPG with only the graphics and localization as an upgrade. Dungeons took forever, were bland, and combat was extremely sluggish. The world also wasn't much bigger. The characters were very stereotypical charicatures to me.

For me, it did everything early NES RPGs did, in their case mostly because of technical limitations, but now just because. There was no real innovation in anything.

DQ is unapologetically traditional in that sense. The art style also doesn't really do it for me, so I got in very biased to begin with.

I look forward to hearing others pitch in to help you make up your mind whether you should get into it.

Trust me on this, it will mean the eShop will also stay the same.

I cannot wait to be proven wrong.

I do not like the way Wario looks on the Western one.

Boy oh boy did Nintendo drop the ball on that one. Why they ever decided to jump ship to a Dutch company is honestly beyond me. I mean, Philips was a huge company already, but so was Sony. And Sony being Japanese, it would seem it would be the more logical choice in more than one sense.

I rented a CD-I once.

Just once.

@1UP-HUSKY What happens to the money put in? Nothing. The minimum wasn't reached so the money people pledged, wasn't sent over to them yet.

You can pledge money but if the target isn't reached, nothing happens.

Got VI on the cheap a little while back but it is SO SLOW. I'd rather get a slightly updated Civ I. That game is my jam.

Is it me, or have Japanese folks become more crass? In every interview I had ever read they've always been polite to a fault, but lately I see more and more criticism and... well... crassnes.

Just today I read about the inspiration for Star Fox's Falco was someone's big nose. There's a lot more of those kinds of interviews. Is there a cultural shift happening? Or is it me?

Anyways... interesting coming from a Playstation boss. They didn't exactly innovate all that much from iteration to iteration. Just more power.

Ah well...

Had they not done the tear in the map, and show some characters in some other way... But they didn't, and it looks weird.

They could have chosen ABBA - Dancing Queen and it would have been just as fitting. Maybe even more so.

@batmanbud2 Cars are, by definition, kind of boxy. N64 was in that era of transition. 3D models weren't very smooth yet. Just look at the original Final Fantasy 7 character models.

So cars (futuristic ones too) were pretty easy to get to look realistic. And the tracks they are put on aren't too difficult to make either.

Anyways, that is my take on it.

@-wc- Fortunately indies rose to the occasion. But I agree with the sentiment.

@Pally356 I just remembered the box art for Mystical Ninja, and I can totally see how you were confused.

And both are decidedly Western for a decidedly Japanese game, which is why I do prefer the Japanese one in this instance, even if the American one has more details in its art.

@rvcolem1 You are allowed to have a wrong opinion...

Nah just kidding. Sometimes I too have a VERY different opinion than the majority on a piece of box art. In thos case, neither are great, granted, but neither are terrible either... at least not to me. They are both pieces of their time.