While not as terrible as the box art for the first... and I guess kudos for at least having the main character look the same as the first, BoF is very clearly an animé aesthetic, so going for a fantasy rendition of Ridge Forrester from the Bold and the Beautiful was always wrong.
That said, JP's box isn't great. The later GBA art is way better.
@Mana_Knight I do not know who this guy is, but reading your story makes me want to look him up. I'll start with your YouTube vid! Just need a search prompt to find it.
I hope the script is also being redone. I could not get through that wall of superfluous text.
Every other sentence started, or was continued with "That said", "Having said that" or any other variant of that manner of speech. I have come to understand it's a very common manner of speaking in Japanese, since it's in every single animé ever subtitled, but it just doesn't translate well. Or at least not to me. It annoyed the crap out of me.
Super ashamed to admit that my most played game was New Denpa Men at a whopping 101 hours. I did enjoy my time in it, but I am very happy that I successfully weened off of it. I completely quit playing a little while back and am happier as a result.
I even spent like 15 bucks on it, but I don't feel that bad about that, since that's basically the price of a cup of coffee these days.
Funny, I was just having this exact conversation with a few students, on how males tend to be less mature... Or females more mature, whichever way you put it.
In this case, it would effectlively mean an almost completely different story if you chose a female lead, but then again, they could also just make the female less mature than her peers.
It's a bit of a non-issue though. I don't think too many people are bothered by the fact that the Atelier series only has female protagonists... It's kind of what the storylines demand in both cases.
@DripDropCop146 Haha, good one. We still wouldn't be able to relate though, I don't think Japanese mid-life crises have a lot in common with us Westerners. I did however, for my mid-life crisis, chose to go back to college part-time, and there were definitely some weird demonic things going on in that school, so in that sense I can relate.
I picked it as my GOTY in the Nintendo mail. I didn't play much of it.
Shamefully and regrettably, my most played game was New Denpa Men at 101 hours. In retrospect, those were 101 hours I will never get back, but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it... And I also spent some money on it... Which again is regrettable, but not unlike buying an overpriced coffee.
@Mabelissimo I wanted to visit the site but it gave me an error page that in itself looked like AI had trained itself on hacker imagery by watching all the 90s TV shows' hacker scenes where they are furiosly typing nonsense while the computer made very high pitched plucky noises, and figured this is what an error page should look like.
Strong feelings on both ends, which is perfectly warranted for a game such as this.
Me, I am impartial. I like the look of it, and I don't mind exploration platformers, but I'm also not a huge fan of them, and I do feel the Pac Man character feels a bit out of place.
But hey, to those who are excited, I hope you will enjoy it. To those who aren't, I hope something else will strike your fancy.
Well... Watching this was definitely something else. Mario and Marigi, who still has an L on his cap despite being called Marigi... Well, at least they seemed to be enjoying themselves.
@LavenderShroud If you like random stuff like this, I would greatly urge you to visit Time Extension, if you haven't already. It's a sister site to Nintendo Life, and I personally love the very random nature of pretty much every single item they cover there. However, you do have to like retro stuff.
@Not_Soos Our aim is to give as many people impostor syndrome as possible. Glad to have added another to the roster. Nah man, you can throw in short segments in between your essays. I do the same.
@Mariotag @Spider-Kev It's almost always rights issues, and probably issued by Ernie Hudson.
I remember a similar thing almost happening with a parody soap opera series that was made in Holland, where they portrayed a character from Bold and the Beautiful and ended up having the real actress throw in a cameo.
I thought it was banned from the DVD re-release, but I just looked it up and the family of the late actress apparently allowed them to show it. However, other people asked them not to release their segments on DVD, so a lot of parts were lost on that series as well.
@Zaruboggan I only played the beginning and unfortunately it didn't click with me. The world felt too empty for me. But thanks for the suggestion!
@-wc- I am almost jealous you will experience Suikoden 2 for the first time. Replay 1 first, then play 2, then 3 again. They are all semi continuous. 2 is AMAZING!
@gabrigoes What -wc- is referencing is me talking about the overall quality of the game. I personally did not find EC worth my time, though I did enjoy the Rising game, speaking of low stakes stories...
@Samalik Oof. While I appreciate the suggestion, I sort of loathe the fan-servicy parts of that series. I won't go into detail as that would derail this already derailed discussion into unfriendly territory. Maybe I should try one of the older entries... I did give a PS1 entry a try once, I think.
I especially liked how enemies didn't just damage you on touch. That's something I kind of miss in most platformers. Especially the first Subspace level, played with Pit, just felt SO NATURAL!!
@-wc- Suikoden is my absolute favourite game series! I still need to play Earthbound, gave it a few tries but it was never the right moment.
Yeah, low stakes absolutely trumps high stakes, if you ask me. Unfortunately very few JRPGs produce that kind of feel to a good degree, if any.
Of relatively new games, I think only Octopath Traveler captured that a bit for me. I actually prefer the first over the sequel, though I do like both. I'll happily take suggestions on any other games with similar vibes, though I'll probably already know them.
I've always had the dream of creating my own "low stakes" RPG, but I lack the time to do so.
Fireside vignettes. How perfectly that term encapsulates what I feel many JRPGs sorely miss and should focus on more.
I feel too many RPGs are all about big bombastic moments, whereas I always appreciatenthese little moments far more. I wouldn't mind an RPG that was pretty much 100% these moments.
@tektite_captain I was being 100% sarcastic, but I can understand how you could have doubts about that. Thanks for being nice and explain. But yeah, I have been following that news on Time Extension, and tried to be funny here.
@Toastmaster By your own admission, Flight Simulator has been the same game since its inception, and not new at all. So why have this discussion about which live IP is oldest?
Plus, you criticised the DK games for not being the same as the original.
@MrGawain oh, personally I am happy with the redrawing. The original had a strange style, Suikoden 2 was prettier, and the portraits in the original are now more in line with the rest of the series.
That said, I would have liked them to be a tad more pixelated. I do agree with you that the clean look makes it reminiscent of Flash games, though the art itself is really nice.
This is the most important game in my life, so I am absolutely ecstatic that I get to revisit it once again, in HD form this time.
I see they even upgraded the objectively bad CGI elements in the intro, but kept the... badness. Haha. The only part of this game that wasn't good. Well... and the US boxart.
It would've been nice if they had added an animé intro like in Suikoden 3 and the Suikogaiden games, but I am nitpicking now.
I cannot wait.
I see the release date in Japan as 3.6 - a cool coincidence with my online handle.
This game lasted way longer than I would have expected. As others, I played it for like an hour, didn't like it, and went about my business. There have been games that I would have imagined being more popular that didn't last nearly as long.
@Ultimapunch Heheh, I see what you did there with your "Legend of you will" remark.
Ps. You mentioned a remake of Zelda II, there is actually a mod in the wild that makes it look and play a lot better, with cool changes to the map, added background elements and a ton of new secrets. Haven't given it a try, but what I saw looked amazing.
I have such a fuming hatred for this whole timeline thing. I am better off accepting all these Links are different, except for the odd true sequels to previous games.
Japan's one is really pretty, but this games isn't called Kirby: Starlight in Dreamland. So the Western box it is, because that one at least looks more nightmarish.
I think a big reason for it not being mentioned too often is because it was sold almost nowhere. I had alwaysbheard of it, but never saw a copy in the wild.
@GravyThief When the game launched, it was a lot easier to get into. These days, just the starting screen alone is a giant slog to get through. Don't get me started on the marketplace.
And with all the new elements implemented, the game never got better for it. In fact, I would say the game became worse with every update. At the very least it became less beginner friendly. The only meaningful change in my book, better villages and villlagers, will never happen.
Don't care what the haters are saying, this looks pretty funny. Mediocre, but funny. Undoubtedly will be full of cheap laughs, but I am in the market for cheap laughs.
I pine for the days of simpler Pokemon. Not as much the game mechanics per sé, just that the designs and general vibe just got more and more over the top.
Sure, the OG had some silly and questionable creature designs, but things just got crazier and crazier and I kinda miss the smaller vibes...
Or I just got old. That may have something to do with it too.
@burninmylight There were a few DLC games on Wii. "Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles : My Life as a King" had DLC, and its sequel probably did as well. That said, there were probably very, very few.
Western one is undeniably iconic, but not very good. The Japanese one isn't amazing, but does feel like it fits the game well. It gives me that feeling I got from looking at VHS tapes of anime movies I was too young or at least too prudish to watch. I kinda dig it.
And count me in on the party that never saw this before.
Oooh I remember those random emissions as mods to the original, the only one I really played a lot. They were insanely tense, so to hear they made it into the third game, good luck to everyone!
I still wish to revisit this series one day, but time... I have none.
One one hand, this game looks really cool, on the other hand, they are riding a giant bird, just sitti g there on its back, one character even hanging on the bird's talon. Disbelief no longer suspended.
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Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Breath Of Fire II
While not as terrible as the box art for the first... and I guess kudos for at least having the main character look the same as the first, BoF is very clearly an animé aesthetic, so going for a fantasy rendition of Ridge Forrester from the Bold and the Beautiful was always wrong.
That said, JP's box isn't great. The later GBA art is way better.
Re: Catly Developer Says Game Does Not Use Generative AI, Blockchain Tech, Or NFTs
That is going to run like absolute dogsh... or should that be catsh...? on Switch.
And it doesn't look particularly fun either way.
Re: Sorry, But There Are "Currently No Plans" For A Unicorn Overlord Sequel Or DLC
Maybe this holiday break I may have time to start again. It's been too long to go back to my save and continue, so a fresh start...
I also still have Triangle Strategy to do. Maybe I should just do one of those super easy runs where everyone is one-hit killed...
Re: Crush 40 Musician Is Suing Sega Over Sonic Adventure 2 Theme, 'Live And Learn'
@Mana_Knight I do not know who this guy is, but reading your story makes me want to look him up. I'll start with your YouTube vid! Just need a search prompt to find it.
Cheers from a fellow autistic.
Re: Legend Of Heroes: Trails In The Sky Remake Lands On Switch Fall 2025
@nessisonett Goonfest, hahahah. I dread to ask what you mean by that but I have the feeling I know.
Re: Legend Of Heroes: Trails In The Sky Remake Lands On Switch Fall 2025
I hope the script is also being redone. I could not get through that wall of superfluous text.
Every other sentence started, or was continued with "That said", "Having said that" or any other variant of that manner of speech. I have come to understand it's a very common manner of speaking in Japanese, since it's in every single animé ever subtitled, but it just doesn't translate well. Or at least not to me. It annoyed the crap out of me.
Re: Your 'Nintendo Switch Year In Review 2024' Stats Are Available Now
Super ashamed to admit that my most played game was New Denpa Men at a whopping 101 hours. I did enjoy my time in it, but I am very happy that I successfully weened off of it. I completely quit playing a little while back and am happier as a result.
I even spent like 15 bucks on it, but I don't feel that bad about that, since that's basically the price of a cup of coffee these days.
Re: Atlus Lead Explains Why Persona Protagonists Are High School Males
Funny, I was just having this exact conversation with a few students, on how males tend to be less mature... Or females more mature, whichever way you put it.
In this case, it would effectlively mean an almost completely different story if you chose a female lead, but then again, they could also just make the female less mature than her peers.
It's a bit of a non-issue though. I don't think too many people are bothered by the fact that the Atelier series only has female protagonists... It's kind of what the storylines demand in both cases.
@DripDropCop146 Haha, good one. We still wouldn't be able to relate though, I don't think Japanese mid-life crises have a lot in common with us Westerners. I did however, for my mid-life crisis, chose to go back to college part-time, and there were definitely some weird demonic things going on in that school, so in that sense I can relate.
The weird demonic thing was a joke, obviously.
Re: Opinion: At Last, Vanillaware Hit The Big Time With Unicorn Overlord
I picked it as my GOTY in the Nintendo mail. I didn't play much of it.
Shamefully and regrettably, my most played game was New Denpa Men at 101 hours. In retrospect, those were 101 hours I will never get back, but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it... And I also spent some money on it... Which again is regrettable, but not unlike buying an overpriced coffee.
Re: 'Switch 2' Is Projected To Be The "Clear Winner" In The Next Console Generation
Well, that is unless the SuperSega gets released within the next year. Then it is bye bye Nintendo.
Re: Lemmings-Like Space Adventure 'Moons of Darsalon' Leaps Onto Switch February 2025
Shame it got overshadowed by the AI thing, because the gameplay and psuedo 3D ships and such look absolutely sick!
Re: Catly Developer Says Game Does Not Use Generative AI, Blockchain Tech, Or NFTs
@Mabelissimo I wanted to visit the site but it gave me an error page that in itself looked like AI had trained itself on hacker imagery by watching all the 90s TV shows' hacker scenes where they are furiosly typing nonsense while the computer made very high pitched plucky noises, and figured this is what an error page should look like.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Okami
While I can certainly understand the majority vote for JP, I actually like this EU NA one more. It's cleaner, more focused. It's really pretty too.
Re: Capcom Intends To Continue "Re-Activating Dormant IPs"
Enhance corporate value.
Ah yes, the best reason to make games.
Re: Talking Point: Is It Time For HD-2D To Take A Break?
I am not even reading this.
Redo FF6, but make the storyline and the world 10 times larger. Redo Chrono Trigger.
After that, maybe we can take a break.
Re: Bandai Namco Unveils New Pac-Man Game, And It's Probably Not What You Expect
Strong feelings on both ends, which is perfectly warranted for a game such as this.
Me, I am impartial. I like the look of it, and I don't mind exploration platformers, but I'm also not a huge fan of them, and I do feel the Pac Man character feels a bit out of place.
But hey, to those who are excited, I hope you will enjoy it. To those who aren't, I hope something else will strike your fancy.
Re: Random: Did You Know About The Korean Version Of Super Mario Bros. Super Show?
Well... Watching this was definitely something else. Mario and Marigi, who still has an L on his cap despite being called Marigi... Well, at least they seemed to be enjoying themselves.
@LavenderShroud If you like random stuff like this, I would greatly urge you to visit Time Extension, if you haven't already. It's a sister site to Nintendo Life, and I personally love the very random nature of pretty much every single item they cover there. However, you do have to like retro stuff.
@Not_Soos Our aim is to give as many people impostor syndrome as possible. Glad to have added another to the roster. Nah man, you can throw in short segments in between your essays. I do the same.
@Mariotag @Spider-Kev It's almost always rights issues, and probably issued by Ernie Hudson.
I remember a similar thing almost happening with a parody soap opera series that was made in Holland, where they portrayed a character from Bold and the Beautiful and ended up having the real actress throw in a cameo.
I thought it was banned from the DVD re-release, but I just looked it up and the family of the late actress apparently allowed them to show it. However, other people asked them not to release their segments on DVD, so a lot of parts were lost on that series as well.
Re: Review: Fairy Tail 2 (Switch) - Hurt By Its Breakneck Pace, But Still A Step Up
@Zaruboggan I only played the beginning and unfortunately it didn't click with me. The world felt too empty for me. But thanks for the suggestion!
@-wc- I am almost jealous you will experience Suikoden 2 for the first time. Replay 1 first, then play 2, then 3 again. They are all semi continuous. 2 is AMAZING!
@gabrigoes What -wc- is referencing is me talking about the overall quality of the game. I personally did not find EC worth my time, though I did enjoy the Rising game, speaking of low stakes stories...
@Samalik Oof. While I appreciate the suggestion, I sort of loathe the fan-servicy parts of that series. I won't go into detail as that would derail this already derailed discussion into unfriendly territory. Maybe I should try one of the older entries... I did give a PS1 entry a try once, I think.
Re: Nintendo Now Officially Owns 100% Of Monolith Soft
@AJWolfTill I know, right?
I especially liked how enemies didn't just damage you on touch. That's something I kind of miss in most platformers. Especially the first Subspace level, played with Pit, just felt SO NATURAL!!
Re: Nintendo Now Officially Owns 100% Of Monolith Soft
@rjejr Subspace was so good. I always thought they should've done a Kid Icarus game like that.
Re: Review: Fairy Tail 2 (Switch) - Hurt By Its Breakneck Pace, But Still A Step Up
@-wc- Suikoden is my absolute favourite game series! I still need to play Earthbound, gave it a few tries but it was never the right moment.
Yeah, low stakes absolutely trumps high stakes, if you ask me. Unfortunately very few JRPGs produce that kind of feel to a good degree, if any.
Of relatively new games, I think only Octopath Traveler captured that a bit for me. I actually prefer the first over the sequel, though I do like both. I'll happily take suggestions on any other games with similar vibes, though I'll probably already know them.
I've always had the dream of creating my own "low stakes" RPG, but I lack the time to do so.
Re: Review: Fairy Tail 2 (Switch) - Hurt By Its Breakneck Pace, But Still A Step Up
Fireside vignettes. How perfectly that term encapsulates what I feel many JRPGs sorely miss and should focus on more.
I feel too many RPGs are all about big bombastic moments, whereas I always appreciatenthese little moments far more. I wouldn't mind an RPG that was pretty much 100% these moments.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Wario Land 3
@Jhena If your profile pic shows Terranigma, then we do share taste
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Wario Land 3
@Jhena peaceful and calming. True but...
It's a Wario game though!
EU for me. Those Warios in the background are so unhinged.
Re: Opinion: Nintendo Needs To Let Us Block The Crap On Switch 2's eShop
I do not agree with the opinion we need to be able to block games or publishers on the Switch 2 eShop.
We need that ability on BOTH eShops. Switch isn't dead the moment Switch 2 releases. It will still have years left to it.
Re: PSA: It's Your Last Chance To Get 'Sega Mega Drive Classics' On Switch eShop
@tektite_captain I was being 100% sarcastic, but I can understand how you could have doubts about that. Thanks for being nice and explain. But yeah, I have been following that news on Time Extension, and tried to be funny here.
Re: PSA: It's Your Last Chance To Get 'Sega Mega Drive Classics' On Switch eShop
Thank goodness I have my SuperSega preordered.
Pretty sure the SuperSega release is the reason for the delisting.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Future Of Consoles, But Not Nintendo Hardware
@Toastmaster By your own admission, Flight Simulator has been the same game since its inception, and not new at all. So why have this discussion about which live IP is oldest?
Plus, you criticised the DK games for not being the same as the original.
So what is it?
Re: Video: Konami Uploads Suikoden Opening Trailer Ahead Of I & II HD Remaster Release
@MrGawain oh, personally I am happy with the redrawing. The original had a strange style, Suikoden 2 was prettier, and the portraits in the original are now more in line with the rest of the series.
That said, I would have liked them to be a tad more pixelated. I do agree with you that the clean look makes it reminiscent of Flash games, though the art itself is really nice.
Re: Video: Konami Uploads Suikoden Opening Trailer Ahead Of I & II HD Remaster Release
This is the most important game in my life, so I am absolutely ecstatic that I get to revisit it once again, in HD form this time.
I see they even upgraded the objectively bad CGI elements in the intro, but kept the... badness. Haha. The only part of this game that wasn't good. Well... and the US boxart.
It would've been nice if they had added an animé intro like in Suikoden 3 and the Suikogaiden games, but I am nitpicking now.
I cannot wait.
I see the release date in Japan as 3.6 - a cool coincidence with my online handle.
Re: Random: Now Pokémon Is Getting Its Own 'TCG' Rip-Off On The Switch eShop
Cool AI art, bro! Lol. This is... something...
Re: Video: Here's The Official Mega Man Trailer For Amazon's 'Secret Level' Series
I might give it a look, but the entire premise sounded lame to me from the very beginning.
So maybe I will watch the most interesting episode first, see what it is... I doubt it though
Re: Monster Hunter-Style RPG 'Dauntless' Is Getting Overhauled In Next Week's 'Awakening' Update
@JohnnyMind Yeah, don't ever change, buddy.
This game lasted way longer than I would have expected. As others, I played it for like an hour, didn't like it, and went about my business. There have been games that I would have imagined being more popular that didn't last nearly as long.
Re: As Switch Closes The Gap, Sony Officially Confirms PS2 Has Sold "Over" 160 Million Units
@Maxz Is that you, Tommy Tallarico?
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Been Added To The Official Timeline
@Mariotag if you have fond memories of Zelda II, like I do, then you should also check out the NES game Battle of Olympus, if you don't know it yet.
It's largely the same type of game as Zelda II, and REALLY good.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Been Added To The Official Timeline
@Ultimapunch Heheh, I see what you did there with your "Legend of you will" remark.
Ps. You mentioned a remake of Zelda II, there is actually a mod in the wild that makes it look and play a lot better, with cool changes to the map, added background elements and a ton of new secrets. Haven't given it a try, but what I saw looked amazing.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Been Added To The Official Timeline
I have such a fuming hatred for this whole timeline thing. I am better off accepting all these Links are different, except for the odd true sequels to previous games.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Kirby: Nightmare In Dream Land (GBA)
@HammerGalladeBro Well, in that case I stand corrected and kind of regret my choice...
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Kirby: Nightmare In Dream Land (GBA)
Japan's one is really pretty, but this games isn't called Kirby: Starlight in Dreamland. So the Western box it is, because that one at least looks more nightmarish.
Re: Opinion: Chrono Trigger Isn't The Only Great Time-Travel RPG On DS
I think a big reason for it not being mentioned too often is because it was sold almost nowhere. I had alwaysbheard of it, but never saw a copy in the wild.
Re: New Minecraft Movie Trailer Digs Into Steve's Backstory
@PinballBuzzbro Excuse me?
Captain Planet was our hero!!
He was gonna take pollution down to zero!
He was gonna help us put asunder
Bad guys who like to loot and plunder
But now we know why he didn't succeed. It's people like you, who hated his message!!
I am kidding, of course.
Re: New Minecraft Movie Trailer Digs Into Steve's Backstory
@GravyThief When the game launched, it was a lot easier to get into. These days, just the starting screen alone is a giant slog to get through. Don't get me started on the marketplace.
And with all the new elements implemented, the game never got better for it. In fact, I would say the game became worse with every update. At the very least it became less beginner friendly. The only meaningful change in my book, better villages and villlagers, will never happen.
So I can totally understand you not liking it.
Re: New Minecraft Movie Trailer Digs Into Steve's Backstory
Don't care what the haters are saying, this looks pretty funny. Mediocre, but funny. Undoubtedly will be full of cheap laughs, but I am in the market for cheap laughs.
Re: After Almost 30 Years, Japan Finally Has A New Best-Selling Pokémon Game
I pine for the days of simpler Pokemon. Not as much the game mechanics per sé, just that the designs and general vibe just got more and more over the top.
Sure, the OG had some silly and questionable creature designs, but things just got crazier and crazier and I kinda miss the smaller vibes...
Or I just got old. That may have something to do with it too.
Re: Video: Tales Of Grace f Remastered Showcases New Gameplay, QoL Features And Includes "Over 80 DLC"
@burninmylight Yeah, you right.
Thankfulky, I can't name any physical games with DLC on Wii. But alas, far too many on current systems.
Re: Video: Tales Of Grace f Remastered Showcases New Gameplay, QoL Features And Includes "Over 80 DLC"
@burninmylight There were a few DLC games on Wii. "Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles : My Life as a King" had DLC, and its sequel probably did as well. That said, there were probably very, very few.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Double Dragon (NES)
Western one is undeniably iconic, but not very good. The Japanese one isn't amazing, but does feel like it fits the game well. It gives me that feeling I got from looking at VHS tapes of anime movies I was too young or at least too prudish to watch. I kinda dig it.
And count me in on the party that never saw this before.
Re: Japan's Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake Switch Box Art Features Classic Artwork
If Box Art Brawl taught us anything, it's that Japan doesn't, in fact, always get the coolest version.
Re: Mini Review: STALKER: Call Of Prypiat (Switch) - The Trilogy's Best Offers More Horror & Better Exploration
Oooh I remember those random emissions as mods to the original, the only one I really played a lot. They were insanely tense, so to hear they made it into the third game, good luck to everyone!
I still wish to revisit this series one day, but time... I have none.
Re: Square Enix Outlines Streaming Guidelines For Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake
One one hand, this game looks really cool, on the other hand, they are riding a giant bird, just sitti g there on its back, one character even hanging on the bird's talon. Disbelief no longer suspended.
Dumb hill to die on? Yes.