@rainbowtick Skyward sword was the first Zelda written for live instruments so naturally features at these events frequently. It was also the 'new' game when they started doing concert tours. Majora's mask being missed off sucks but I'm not surprised given they only had half an hour.
@CharlieZee I got a lot of enjoyment in checking in semi regularly to see what ridiculous things happened. E.g. There was a 'bloody Sunday' event where they released half a dozen Pokémon including their starter. I don't think I ever 'played' it but I enjoyed it out of morbid curiosity and loved the nonsense lore that it spawned
I haven't picked up Slay the Spire (despite regularly being hounded by friends to do so) because I'm not normally that big on either card battlers or rogue likes. Maybe I'll infuriate my friends by getting this instead on the basis of the narrative and writing.
For a long long time I think the only games I have sold/traded were ones I got bundled with a console that I never played. I think I may have reluctantly relinquished a few I couldn't see myself returning to during spring cleaning.
That's a pretty respectable price point which will become very hard to resist in the sales! I think I own this as part of a PS3 trilogy but never got round to it.
@tabris95 These picks are so perfect that there must some sort of monkey paw caveat to offset this... Maybe a really tone death Zelda game from the Sonic Team.
@Bratwurst35 To be clear I don't think this will exceed a 7/10, I'm just trying to draw attention to Wes' output beyond some apparently mediocre YA adaptations. Hopefully we at least get a soundtrack as good as the Mario Movie's (without the dumb needle drops)
This comment changes EVERYTHING! But for real, I'm willing to believe the reason Wes Ball is involved is because A) He has a genuine passion for it. B) He has a background and expertise in CGI work (check out some of his short films) C) This is going to be live action in the way Avatar Way of Water is where there are sets and physical performances but the characters will be CG enhanced mocap performances and not live action in the way the LOTR or most fantasy films are.
I have no faith in the currently attached writer though.
@KateGray I think I knew you'd left but had repressed it or been in denial. 😅 Very honoured you took the time to write up your favs list at my belligerent request! Most of those are already on my wishlist but great to know they have the KG seal of approval! I hadn't heard of Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood or Cobalt Core though. (I realise at times like this how few games I play the year they release). Sennaar, Idol, Cocoon and Outer Wilds are almost definitely going to be my jam.
B+ I think. Nintendo didn't bring anything but they often only announce DLC anyway. Generally a great show, the music performances were 🔥, had some exciting announcements. Metaphor, Senua, Kenzera and Prince of Persia all look fantastic!
Difficult to watch live when it's on at 12:30 am. I'll be trying to avoid the news/results as much as possible before then though. I think Geoff has recaptured that E3 magic pretty well. Just hope there is space for the human stories that emerge about the creators. Games for Impact shouldn't be rapid fired as it's led to some of the most powerful moments in the shows history.
Yes of course, I used the Wii U's netflix app for over a thousand hours apparently. Youtube gets used on the switch a fair amount and the switch is the only device I'd usually take on holiday that connects to TVs reliably.
There is a game mechanic around collecting heads you can shoot off. Certain guns cause enemies to ... rupture/detonate? You can do this to certain allied NPC characters as well. Some of the boss fights use dismemberment as a mechanic as well.
It would't explain an 18 rating by modern standards but it is more gory than Metroid for sure.
Ludicrous! I set up my N64 for the first time in about 10 years to play this and have just got to the final level. I assumed this was never going to come to the service! Game is great and has held up better than I expected. The machine gun is one of the most satisfying guns in gaming imho.
No massive wins but lots of detective/mystery games which made the whole thing appealing for me. Outer Wilds looks surprisingly rough from the footage though...
Love OoT but just don't see that working as a single film. Wind Waker seems like the sensible choice. Aludes to previous legends, main characters has a grounded family dynamic and is motivated by that for the first part of the story. Tetra would be a great companion/foil. Includes both Zelda and Ganondorf in meaningful ways. It's world would be look distinctively different as well.
I'd see value in doing the Age of Calamity part of BOTW but writing in Ganondorf instead of Calamity Gannon.
@PoeTheLizard Cross gen seems very sensible to be fair. I've been imagining they will lean on Metroid Prime 4 to showcase what the new system is capable of and to inspire the core demographic to pick it up the console at launch. I feel like the series is more of a system seller thanks to its prestige and clout than something that is ever going to sell in the tens of millions.
It's not bad but it's just remakes (mostly of Mario spinoffs) and Peach (no way Metroid is a switch game at this point). I'm fairly intrigued with Peach Showtime because I still can't work out exactly what it is.... Do we even know what team is making it?
Wes Ball as director is an unknown quantity to me, not inspiring but not troubling. ... Derek Connolly as a writer though... Skull Island, Jurassic World, Rise of Skywalker and Detective Pikachu all suffered from shallow characters at the expense of trying to manufacture nostalgia. This film is absolutely going to be a box ticking exercise.
Whoah. Hopefully this is a sign of creative differences rather than some scandal about to surface.
@LXP8 I share your hopes. He's been on the record saying Capcom have been the block on that. You never know he could end up working on titles in partnership with them again.
At time of writing (after the announcement of the remake) TTYD is no 1! I assume this is in part because of the high barrier to entry nowadays. Hopefully Nintendo will get round to a Radiant Collection so I can finally experience that as well!
Some cool stuff for sure. F-Zero 99 is great fun. Peach looks legit, cool to see stuff like Another Code R getting a second life. As excited as I am to get a chance to play 1000 year door it's honestly baffling to me that they choose to reveal this while we already have a remake of Mario RPG on the way. As someone who is curious about both I'm almost certainly going to skip one of them now.
@Ultimapunch I'm assuming you missed an adjective in there 😁 Otherwise your tepid take is just madness.
Rayman Legends probably is my favourite 2D platformer. Back in the Wii U dark ages I spent hours in the demo trying to get gold and platinum medals in the online competitive levels.
I'd also say it was the best game pad use alongside Zombi Unand Nintendo Land.
I can tell it will be fun but it didn't do much for me. Character roster is cool, badge system seems like it could be interesting, although unlikely to change up exploration that much.
I like the new expressive character models but the game itself looked more like a refresh than anything revolutionary. Maybe because the world themes seemed uninspired?
I don't really know what it would take to get me excited in a new 2D Mario game to be honest but I'm glad it's doing it for other people.
@HammerGalladeBro Nah, a MicroTransaction legend 😋
I never played this back in the day but am actually quite keen to give it a whirl. It is weird tht 1080 gets pushed aside for a newly announced game though...
I had this with a demo used to play at a particular friend's house. It was a PS1 isometric/3d fighting game where one of the characters was a flying cyborg with bombs and another was a velociraptor. It was called the Unholy Wars but I've never heard any one else ever bring it up since
I'm over 200 hours and must be close to completing now, having just got the 5th sage. Missing about 10 shrines and lightroots, and 5 sages wills which I will try and do before the finale.
Honestly, given we are getting Mario Wonder, Mario RPG and Peach in the next 6-9 months a new 3d Mario seems a bit excessive. I hope that team is trying there hand at Donkey Kong like the rumour suggested. Wouldn't surprise me if that Peach game is a cross platform launch game.
I think we'll see MP4 when we first see the console but it won't be a launch game.
We done good here NLifers. Shame about the dupes. My top 5 Nintendo Published games that didn't make the cut (at time of reading) :
Kid Icarus Uprising ❤️, Conker`s Bad Fur Day (the seminal multiplayer game for the n64 amongst my friends), Skyward Sword (albeit the weakest 3d Zelda) Fire Emblem Shadows of Valentia, Metroid Prime 3
@NinjaNicky
I'm guessing a lot of people like me haven't finished it so haven't rated it yet. It will be getting a 10 here unless the end pisses me off somehow.
The list will shift dynamically so it might change.
@Scposteel
My personal take on that would be that the majority of people like me come to NES games late out of curiosity and to educate themselves.
I don't think many people are then going to find that they would rate these experiences as 9 or 10s given all the advancements the medium has made. I think beyond Mario, only Punch Out and Kirby have really clicked with me.
Bias is probably also exacerbated by this being a UK site where the NES was never that big.
@EaglyPurahfan @samuelvictor Xenoblade chronicles x is a weird one and is my least favourite entry in the series.
I loved the first game but was a little jaded by 2's more tropey anime styling/humour and a lot of the character designs(particularly Blades).
Own 3 but not tried it yet 🤞.
I'd honestly recommend Torna as the best way to try the series due to its smaller scale, lower price and tighter focus. It reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the series.
@OllieReynolds How pervy / 'fanservicey' is this game? It hasn't looked egregious from the trailers but I'm wary of this team after the direction Danganronpa went down.
The original wasn't a personal10 for me but it has stuck with me vividly for over a decade and I thoroughly recommend it to everyone who is open to unique and novel games. My wife will be picking this up after constant recommendations for years and I'll enjoy getting to revisit it with her 😊
@Yosher The UK government actually leaked that some of this was happening. In the context of gaming streaming services they confirmed the Nintendo Online service was available. I'd almost guarantee that everything in your Online subscription is available on the next console. Digital/ physical purchase compatibility is the biggest question mark.
High budget metroidvania from the Rayman Legends team with a focus on making a great switch version. Didn't need the PoP licence to be all in on this but it's a cool bonus.
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Re: Nintendo's The Legend Of Zelda Orchestra Concert Is Now Available To Watch For Free
@rainbowtick
Skyward sword was the first Zelda written for live instruments so naturally features at these events frequently. It was also the 'new' game when they started doing concert tours.
Majora's mask being missed off sucks but I'm not surprised given they only had half an hour.
Re: 'Twitch Plays Pokémon' Returning To Kanto For Its 10th Anniversary
@CharlieZee
I got a lot of enjoyment in checking in semi regularly to see what ridiculous things happened.
E.g. There was a 'bloody Sunday' event where they released half a dozen Pokémon including their starter.
I don't think I ever 'played' it but I enjoyed it out of morbid curiosity and loved the nonsense lore that it spawned
Re: Soapbox: As A 'Slay The Spire' Addict, I Can't Believe I Almost Missed This 2023 Gem
I haven't picked up Slay the Spire (despite regularly being hounded by friends to do so) because I'm not normally that big on either card battlers or rogue likes.
Maybe I'll infuriate my friends by getting this instead on the basis of the narrative and writing.
Re: Poll: How Often Do You Trade-In Your Switch Games?
For a long long time I think the only games I have sold/traded were ones I got bundled with a console that I never played. I think I may have reluctantly relinquished a few I couldn't see myself returning to during spring cleaning.
Re: Fibre Wire At The Ready, Hitman: Blood Money Launches On Switch This Month
That's a pretty respectable price point which will become very hard to resist in the sales!
I think I own this as part of a PS3 trilogy but never got round to it.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Seeking More Studios To Work On Its IP
@tabris95 These picks are so perfect that there must some sort of monkey paw caveat to offset this... Maybe a really tone death Zelda game from the Sonic Team.
Re: Sony CEO Drums Up Hype For Nintendo's Zelda Movie
@Bratwurst35
To be clear I don't think this will exceed a 7/10, I'm just trying to draw attention to Wes' output beyond some apparently mediocre YA adaptations.
Hopefully we at least get a soundtrack as good as the Mario Movie's (without the dumb needle drops)
Re: Sony CEO Drums Up Hype For Nintendo's Zelda Movie
This comment changes EVERYTHING!
But for real, I'm willing to believe the reason Wes Ball is involved is because
A) He has a genuine passion for it.
B) He has a background and expertise in CGI work (check out some of his short films)
C) This is going to be live action in the way Avatar Way of Water is where there are sets and physical performances but the characters will be CG enhanced mocap performances and not live action in the way the LOTR or most fantasy films are.
I have no faith in the currently attached writer though.
Re: Feature: Game Of The Year 2023 - Nintendo Life Staff Awards
@KateGray
I think I knew you'd left but had repressed it or been in denial. 😅
Very honoured you took the time to write up your favs list at my belligerent request!
Most of those are already on my wishlist but great to know they have the KG seal of approval! I hadn't heard of Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood or Cobalt Core though. (I realise at times like this how few games I play the year they release).
Sennaar, Idol, Cocoon and Outer Wilds are almost definitely going to be my jam.
Re: Plans Are Reportedly In Place To Celebrate Earthbound's 30th Anniversary
@Kyloctopus
Exactly my thoughts.
One off concert in Japanand there will be some MyNintendo awards to redeem with platinum points.
Re: Feature: Game Of The Year 2023 - Nintendo Life Staff Awards
@KateGray
Where are Kate's picks!
She has impeccable taste and I require her submissions!
Re: Hands On: Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown Royally Delivers On Switch
Very excited. I have a trans Atlantic flight on release day so sounds like I'm in for a great time!
Re: Hands On: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney Trilogy Lays Out A Compelling Case On Switch
Glad this re release is shaping up well.
I'm so excited to revisit these games with my wife (her first time) in January
@Ryu_Niiyama
You played the Zero Escape games yet? No courtroom stuff but more satisfying mystery games.
Re: Round Up: Everything Announced At The Game Awards 2023 - All Switch Game Reveals & Trailers
B+ I think.
Nintendo didn't bring anything but they often only announce DLC anyway.
Generally a great show, the music performances were 🔥, had some exciting announcements. Metaphor, Senua, Kenzera and Prince of Persia all look fantastic!
Re: Round Up: Everything Announced At The Game Awards 2023 - All Switch Game Reveals & Trailers
@ottoecamn
They showed footage of all those saga games in the announcement trailer btw.
Re: Geoff Keighley Reminds Everyone To Get Their Votes In For The Game Awards
Difficult to watch live when it's on at 12:30 am.
I'll be trying to avoid the news/results as much as possible before then though.
I think Geoff has recaptured that E3 magic pretty well. Just hope there is space for the human stories that emerge about the creators. Games for Impact shouldn't be rapid fired as it's led to some of the most powerful moments in the shows history.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Like To See More Streaming Media Apps On 'Switch 2'?
Yes of course, I used the Wii U's netflix app for over a thousand hours apparently.
Youtube gets used on the switch a fair amount and the switch is the only device I'd usually take on holiday that connects to TVs reliably.
Re: Nintendo Is Launching An 18+ N64 Switch Online App In Japan
@EarthboundBenjy
There is a game mechanic around collecting heads you can shoot off. Certain guns cause enemies to ... rupture/detonate?
You can do this to certain allied NPC characters as well. Some of the boss fights use dismemberment as a mechanic as well.
It would't explain an 18 rating by modern standards but it is more gory than Metroid for sure.
Re: Switch Online Is Expanding The N64 Library With Rare's Jet Force Gemini
Ludicrous!
I set up my N64 for the first time in about 10 years to play this and have just got to the final level.
I assumed this was never going to come to the service!
Game is great and has held up better than I expected. The machine gun is one of the most satisfying guns in gaming imho.
Re: Poll: So, How Would You Rate That Nintendo Indie World Showcase?
No massive wins but lots of detective/mystery games which made the whole thing appealing for me. Outer Wilds looks surprisingly rough from the footage though...
Re: Talking Point: Which Zelda Game Should Be Adapted For The Movie?
Love OoT but just don't see that working as a single film.
Wind Waker seems like the sensible choice. Aludes to previous legends, main characters has a grounded family dynamic and is motivated by that for the first part of the story. Tetra would be a great companion/foil. Includes both Zelda and Ganondorf in meaningful ways.
It's world would be look distinctively different as well.
I'd see value in doing the Age of Calamity part of BOTW but writing in Ganondorf instead of Calamity Gannon.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Windows For Major Upcoming Switch Games
@PoeTheLizard
Cross gen seems very sensible to be fair.
I've been imagining they will lean on Metroid Prime 4 to showcase what the new system is capable of and to inspire the core demographic to pick it up the console at launch.
I feel like the series is more of a system seller thanks to its prestige and clout than something that is ever going to sell in the tens of millions.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Windows For Major Upcoming Switch Games
It's not bad but it's just remakes (mostly of Mario spinoffs) and Peach (no way Metroid is a switch game at this point). I'm fairly intrigued with Peach Showtime because I still can't work out exactly what it is.... Do we even know what team is making it?
Re: Reaction: What's Your Gut Feeling On The Zelda Movie News?
Wes Ball as director is an unknown quantity to me, not inspiring but not troubling.
... Derek Connolly as a writer though...
Skull Island, Jurassic World, Rise of Skywalker and Detective Pikachu all suffered from shallow characters at the expense of trying to manufacture nostalgia. This film is absolutely going to be a box ticking exercise.
Best case scenario is the soundtrack slaps.
Re: Rumour: Mario's New Voice Actor May Have Been Discovered
If true it would be pretty amusing that someone who has spent a decade copying Jack Black's voice (for Po) is voicing Bowser's nemesis.
Not an actor I've crossed paths with much but he was good in Arcane.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Is Leaving PlatinumGames
Whoah. Hopefully this is a sign of creative differences rather than some scandal about to surface.
@LXP8
I share your hopes. He's been on the record saying Capcom have been the block on that. You never know he could end up working on titles in partnership with them again.
Re: 50 Best GameCube Games Of All Time
At time of writing (after the announcement of the remake) TTYD is no 1!
I assume this is in part because of the high barrier to entry nowadays.
Hopefully Nintendo will get round to a Radiant Collection so I can finally experience that as well!
Re: Poll: What Did You Think Of The Nintendo Direct, Then?
Some cool stuff for sure. F-Zero 99 is great fun. Peach looks legit, cool to see stuff like Another Code R getting a second life.
As excited as I am to get a chance to play 1000 year door it's honestly baffling to me that they choose to reveal this while we already have a remake of Mario RPG on the way. As someone who is curious about both I'm almost certainly going to skip one of them now.
Re: Soapbox: Rayman Legends Blew My Mind Then Broke My Heart
@Ultimapunch
I'm assuming you missed an adjective in there 😁
Otherwise your tepid take is just madness.
Rayman Legends probably is my favourite 2D platformer. Back in the Wii U dark ages I spent hours in the demo trying to get gold and platinum medals in the online competitive levels.
I'd also say it was the best game pad use alongside Zombi Unand Nintendo Land.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think Of The Super Mario Bros. Wonder Direct Showcase?
I can tell it will be fun but it didn't do much for me. Character roster is cool, badge system seems like it could be interesting, although unlikely to change up exploration that much.
I like the new expressive character models but the game itself looked more like a refresh than anything revolutionary. Maybe because the world themes seemed uninspired?
I don't really know what it would take to get me excited in a new 2D Mario game to be honest but I'm glad it's doing it for other people.
Re: Nintendo Expands Its Switch Online N64 Library With Another Game Next Week
@HammerGalladeBro
Nah, a MicroTransaction legend 😋
I never played this back in the day but am actually quite keen to give it a whirl. It is weird tht 1080 gets pushed aside for a newly announced game though...
Re: Charles Martinet Will No Longer Be The Voice Of Mario
Huge news!
Charles has been the voice of Mario my whole gaming life.
I'm not against the move per say, better to do it as part of a wider refresh of the series than time forcing their hand.
Maybe there will be an increase in VA across the series as a result.
Re: Memory Pak: Making Contact With The "Ungoogleable" Game I Couldn't Quite Remember
I had this with a demo used to play at a particular friend's house.
It was a PS1 isometric/3d fighting game where one of the characters was a flying cyborg with bombs and another was a velociraptor.
It was called the Unholy Wars but I've never heard any one else ever bring it up since
Re: Talking Point: After Three Months, What's Your Zelda: TOTK Completion Percentage?
I'm over 200 hours and must be close to completing now, having just got the 5th sage.
Missing about 10 shrines and lightroots, and 5 sages wills which I will try and do before the finale.
Re: Metroid Dread Developer Has "Two Large Undisclosed Titles" In The Works
@DeusX
Be still my beating heart. Those are the dream titles for me. Uprising 2 would need to have continuity of creative leads though.
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo IP Should 'Switch 2' Launch With?
Honestly, given we are getting Mario Wonder, Mario RPG and Peach in the next 6-9 months a new 3d Mario seems a bit excessive.
I hope that team is trying there hand at Donkey Kong like the rumour suggested.
Wouldn't surprise me if that Peach game is a cross platform launch game.
I think we'll see MP4 when we first see the console but it won't be a launch game.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Dates And Windows For Upcoming Switch Games
@SwagaliciousJohnson
No you're not. I'm at least curious about most those first party games but I don't see myself picking any of them up myself.
Not short on games to play however so very content to just work on my backlog.
Re: Talking Point: Would A Third Wave Of Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC Have Been Too Much?
The speculation is fun but I didn't even buy the second wave.
I'd much sooner Sakurai worked on a Kid Icarus sequel or something new for him.
I also feel the next game needs to be more a fundamental reboot as there is no way I can see them building on Ultimate.
Re: Top 100 Best Nintendo Games Of All Time
We done good here NLifers. Shame about the dupes.
My top 5 Nintendo Published games that didn't make the cut (at time of reading) :
Kid Icarus Uprising ❤️,
Conker`s Bad Fur Day (the seminal multiplayer game for the n64 amongst my friends),
Skyward Sword (albeit the weakest 3d Zelda)
Fire Emblem Shadows of Valentia,
Metroid Prime 3
Re: Top 100 Best Nintendo Games Of All Time
@NinjaNicky
I'm guessing a lot of people like me haven't finished it so haven't rated it yet. It will be getting a 10 here unless the end pisses me off somehow.
The list will shift dynamically so it might change.
@Scposteel
My personal take on that would be that the majority of people like me come to NES games late out of curiosity and to educate themselves.
I don't think many people are then going to find that they would rate these experiences as 9 or 10s given all the advancements the medium has made. I think beyond Mario, only Punch Out and Kirby have really clicked with me.
Bias is probably also exacerbated by this being a UK site where the NES was never that big.
Re: Ubisoft Game Designer And Creative Director Emile Morel Has Passed Away
What a tragedy. Legends is a rare game I continue to go back to and I am exceptionally greatful to his contributions.
Re: Random: Sakurai Explains Why True Twin-Stick Controls Weren't Possible For Kid Icarus: Uprising
I adore this game and it absolutely deserves another chance to soar (sorry not sorry).
Sakurai's candid comments about the lack of port and sequel progress are probably emotionally healthy for me to hear despite how upsetting they are.
Other than Metroid Prime 4 I don't think there is a nintendo announcement I'd be more excited for.
Re: Feature: Donkey Kong Cymru: The Extremely Brief History Of Welshness In Nintendo Games
@EaglyPurahfan @samuelvictor
Xenoblade chronicles x is a weird one and is my least favourite entry in the series.
I loved the first game but was a little jaded by 2's more tropey anime styling/humour and a lot of the character designs(particularly Blades).
Own 3 but not tried it yet 🤞.
I'd honestly recommend Torna as the best way to try the series due to its smaller scale, lower price and tighter focus. It reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the series.
Re: Review: Master Detective Archives: Rain Code - Macabre Mysteries, A Captivating Cast, A Few Frustrations
@OllieReynolds
How pervy / 'fanservicey' is this game?
It hasn't looked egregious from the trailers but I'm wary of this team after the direction Danganronpa went down.
Re: Best Nintendo 64 Platformers - Every N64 3D Platformer, Ranked By You
Man that Bugs Life game looked so exciting to me from the back of a cereal box when I was a kid 🤣
Re: Review: Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective - A DS All-Timer Returns In Stunning Form
The original wasn't a personal10 for me but it has stuck with me vividly for over a decade and I thoroughly recommend it to everyone who is open to unique and novel games.
My wife will be picking this up after constant recommendations for years and I'll enjoy getting to revisit it with her 😊
Re: Pikmin 4 Will Let You Erase Your Mistakes With A Handy New Rewind Mechanic
@PLATINUM7
So close! Wouldn't sand pit of been better though
Re: Shuntaro Furukawa: Switch Successor Will Utilise The 'Nintendo Account' System
@Yosher
The UK government actually leaked that some of this was happening. In the context of gaming streaming services they confirmed the Nintendo Online service was available.
I'd almost guarantee that everything in your Online subscription is available on the next console.
Digital/ physical purchase compatibility is the biggest question mark.
Re: Hands On: Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown Is Dread-ful, In The Best Possible Way
High budget metroidvania from the Rayman Legends team with a focus on making a great switch version.
Didn't need the PoP licence to be all in on this but it's a cool bonus.
Re: Summer Game Fest And Games Conference Schedule 2023: Dates, How To Watch And Everything You Need To Know
@SBandy1
Hyrule Warriors: The Imprisoning War is probably more of a 'when' than an 'if'
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