@ultraraichu When males in games are unrealistically good-looking it's because that's a male power fantasy. Both attractive males and females are there to appeal to males!*
This article is strange. You make it seem like online sellers are up in arms against Nintendo selling old games for a reasonable price, but it's just one person that you contacted that's mildy disappointed. Good job inventing (non)news!
Microtransactions are generally a scummy thing to implement in your games and I will forever ignore them, maybe even pass up on the game entirely if they are particularly scummy.
@Quorthon It's funny that you're accusing me as coming off as a fanboy with that response. Somehow you manage to bring the completely unrelated amiibo and Club Nintendo into the conversation, bash the price of Nintendo hardware and mention the lack of a headset. These topics have nothing to do with what we're discussing and it's pointless to bring them up (and I don't feel the need to respond to them further). I didn't think so before, but now I'm wondering if you are actually a fanboy.
First up, I'm not comparing free to play PC games to other games on PS/Xbox. I'm straight up comparing the same games on PC and PS/Xbox, games that you pay for and then pay extra to be able to use the online component only on PS/Xbox. I've mentioned this multiple times, but you seem to read over that every time. On that same note, you seem to be ignoring PC/Steam this whole time. I agree that Nintendo's online is not comparable to the services you get with PSN/Xbox live, but Steam certainly is.
I don't care that the service costs only $5 a month, it's irrelevant to bring up that price (what $5 is worth is completely subjective). It's about unnecessarily asking money to play online so the companies can maximize their profits. Don't be so condescending, I understand the service, I understand why they're asking money for it. Just because you're fine with paying, doesn't mean everyone should be or even that it's actually a good thing. You must be reading some other replies as well, because I'm not bragging about Nintendo's online, I'm just stating it's free. The bottle-comment is ridiculous. Not every Nintendo game has online, but games like MK8, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 3/4 Ultimate, Pokémon, Fantasy Life and other games have online that works well. Don't act like it doesn't. (Yes, it doesn't have all of the frills of PSN/Xbox live, but the online works well.) As a side note, if you think it costs $2000 to build a PC that outperforms Xbox One or PS4, you're not that smart.
Why bring up these fictional Nintendo fanboys that were laughing at the DdoS of PS/Xbox's online services? I didn't see any of them, I'm not one of them. I know there's little you can do to stop that kind of thing. And again the fanboy-like dig at Nintendo's online, people would notice if their online services stopped working, you only need to go back to Christmas 2013 to see that.
Enjoy your PSN/Xbox live, I'm glad you're happy with them. You're not going to convince me that they're really necessary or anything other than the companies making as much profit as they can.
@Quorthon It's funny you bring up that Kotaku article (even though it doesn't have any relation to the discussion). While it's stupid of people to yell at customer service people on the phone, it also showed that the people at customer service were poorly informed about what was going on.
“During this flood of calls, the higher-ups didn't explain much to Dan and crew, other than the fact that it was "an attack."”
“Throughout the outage, Sony's customer service agents were in the dark as much as the rest of us, Dan says. They didn't know what Sony was doing, when the servers would be restored, or even how Sony planned to avoid this sort of situation in the future. ”
Of course hosting servers cost money, you don't explain why that would require you to pay extra though?
I disagree about “sharply” cutting into profits, it MIGHT cause them to earn smaller profits. I think it's offset by lowering the cost, not producing and shipping physical products. Either way, they're still making a profit... :/ I have no experience with Gamestop, but that doesn't seem like a compliment at all.
Sure, Sony cleverly offers more than just online. On the other hand, you are required to pay if you just want to play online, even though you've already paid for the games. To reiterate, if you want to make full use of the game you bought, you need to pay extra. And let's not forget a large part of what Sony offers is also offered for free on PC/Steam (online, plenty of discounts, profiles, 'avatars' really?). Renting games (let's just call it what it is, because it's not free) could easily be a service on its own. If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly the way it used to be. (It seems to me requiring it to play online is just to force more people on that service, but that's besides the point.)
The Wii U doesn't have that many games that have an online component, true. But with the games that do, the online runs pretty great. Wii U and PC is indeed the way to go, for more reasons that just free online. About the MMO comment, I see that as another way to pay for the game, not to go online.
At the end of the day, with MS and Sony you pay for something that's free on PC and Nintendo systems. I'm going to ignore most of paragraph following this, I'm not at all saying everything should be free. As I've said before, they can make the money to pay for the servers by selling the games. Online isn't just free on Nintendo platforms, it's free on PC as well (for example Far Cry 4: online on PC is free, PS4 requires PSN).
I'm not arguing the services aren't 'worth it' to people, I'm saying it's just another way for companies to earn more money. Sometimes it seems like people forget we're talking about companies, they exist to make as much money as they can.
@Quorthon Eh, my first comment was a bit of an easy dig at the service, without any reasoning or explanation, so I understand your reaction.
I still can't say I agree with you, really.
1) As far as I'm aware (I don't claim to be an expert on this subject) DDoS attacks don't actually damage anything, it's just that the servers aren't able to handle the ridiculous amount of requests sent their way.
2) Free to play games have their own ways of making sure they are profitable (also War Thunder and Blacklight Retribution seem to be on Steam as well, a free service).
3) Digital shops usually don't sell games for less than their physical counterparts, even though there's no need to produce actual discs and ship them across the world. That money saved isn't going to the consumer, it could go to maintaining the servers for the digital shop.
4) I know the servers require maintenance, that doesn't necessarily mean a consumer has to pay (for no game in particular) those costs. Companies profit from selling those games, the payment for online is just a bonus. (For example, again, there are plenty of online games on PC, almost always with free online.)
It is paying to be online. On top of whay you pay your ISP. It makes no sense to me.
Besides that, I think requiring people to pay for online wouldn't be good for Nintendo. Mainly because it seems a lot of parents buy Nintendo systems for their kids, I don't think they would understand such a thing and would see it as a big negative. Maybe some other subscription would work, like a subscription to acces all the Virtual Console games, but even that I'm not a fan of.
The Pokémon bank is a pretty horrible thing as I understand it. Particularly because it is now required to trade Pokémon between different generations of the games (I may be wrong about this, I haven't used it). Something that could be done locally before.
@Quorthon I know the value of what you're getting and I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of it. I just don't like a lot of parts of this subscription service, the paying for online is one. Not being able to acces any of the "free" games you "have" after you stop your subscription is another point (it locks you into that platform and into the subscription imo). I don't think it's something Nintendo should pursue.
Edit: I did not pay for Pokémon bank by the way, I don't like that either. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, Nintendo is not without faults.
It makes sense that they would send out more e-mails if they have stock left after january 12th (when the offer expires for the first batch of emails).
Oh man, that comparison photo with the DS lite, that really shows I will never go to a smaller sized (New) 3DS. Way too small, especially now that I'm used to the XL. It looks so pretty though.
"Nintendo's made big mistakes with YouTube, and as recently as mid-2013 it was enforcing draconian IP rights and demanding money from adverts."
Pretty sure they are still claiming pretty much everything they can. They really need to let people just play their games on Youtube, it's one big (free) commercial for their games and systems.
I'm very interested in playing the SNES game Pocky & Rocky, a cousin of mine had that and it was pretty great. Not sure about this, it doesn't look as good.
@Poketendo Apparently MediaMarkt is also raising the prices of amiibo, they must be selling. Some like Samus, Link and Fox are €20,94 now, a few others are €17,94.
@happylittlepigs The first game had that yes (and you basically had to trigger that yourself), but after that I haven't heard anything like that, until X&Y and ORAS. Please feel free to give other examples though, I'm probably pretty ignorant about this.
The missigno bug never broke my game though, it just gave me 99 items. (There were more of those things, like cloning a pokémon by interrupting a trade. Ah, the good old days of trading in the playground.)
@justastone Games in general or Pokémon games? I don't think I've ever really had any problems with the Pokémon games, these bugs just seem kinda serious.
@Artwark Hmm, would the 3D have any effect on gamefreezing bugs? Or that save-corrupting bug from X&Y? (I would buy another 2D game though, HG/SS are still my favourite. Pls GameFreak, let my Pokémon walk behind me again!)
@ekreig Sure, but shouldn't a bug like this have been spotted and fixed before release?
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Re: New 3DS HOME Themes Confirmed for Majora's Mask 3D, Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate and Ace Combat Assault Horizon Legacy+
I like the Monster Hunter themes, but I'm not buying MH digital just to get them. Shame it's only for download games.
Re: Poll: Which Nintendo Franchises Should be Produced as TV Shows?
How about we wait and see what the Zelda show will be like first? (If that even happens.)
Re: Feature: A Summary of the Xenoblade Chronicles X Presentation and What We Learned About Its World
This game looks great everytime I see it.
Re: Nintendo YouTube Creators Program Update Clarifies Rules and Delayed Approvals Due to Volume of Applications
Ah, a poorly thought out program that they can't even manage properly. Sometimes it's not hard to understand the hate Nintendo gets from some people.
Re: Dead Or Alive Producer Feels That A Cultural Divide Exists Between Japan And The West
@ultraraichu When males in games are unrealistically good-looking it's because that's a male power fantasy. Both attractive males and females are there to appeal to males!*
*This is not my logic.
Re: Nintendo's 'Stability' 3DS Update 9.5.0-22 Takes On Gateway Flashcard
Are there even 3DS game roms? I thought they had trouble getting those (or getting those to work).
Re: Sega Formally Announces the Capcom Arcade of Nintendo's Luigi's Mansion 2
Sega announces Capcom's Nintendo's Luigi's Mansion arcade.
Come on Nintendo, is that all you could get? Where's Platinum, Koei Tecmo, Bandai Namco, Konami etc.?
Re: Club Nintendo Goes Rewards Crazy With Final Update in North America
That third cover shows the faceplates for the New Nintendo 3DS that NA isn't getting.
Re: Not Everyone is Thrilled That Metroid Prime Trilogy Lands on the Wii U eShop Tomorrow
This article is strange. You make it seem like online sellers are up in arms against Nintendo selling old games for a reasonable price, but it's just one person that you contacted that's mildy disappointed. Good job inventing (non)news!
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Flirtation With Microtransactions May Step Up in 2015
Microtransactions are generally a scummy thing to implement in your games and I will forever ignore them, maybe even pass up on the game entirely if they are particularly scummy.
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
@Superryanworld True, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Nintendo does make a lot of stupid decisions, I've never said otherwise. ^^
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
@Quorthon It's funny that you're accusing me as coming off as a fanboy with that response. Somehow you manage to bring the completely unrelated amiibo and Club Nintendo into the conversation, bash the price of Nintendo hardware and mention the lack of a headset. These topics have nothing to do with what we're discussing and it's pointless to bring them up (and I don't feel the need to respond to them further). I didn't think so before, but now I'm wondering if you are actually a fanboy.
First up, I'm not comparing free to play PC games to other games on PS/Xbox. I'm straight up comparing the same games on PC and PS/Xbox, games that you pay for and then pay extra to be able to use the online component only on PS/Xbox. I've mentioned this multiple times, but you seem to read over that every time. On that same note, you seem to be ignoring PC/Steam this whole time. I agree that Nintendo's online is not comparable to the services you get with PSN/Xbox live, but Steam certainly is.
I don't care that the service costs only $5 a month, it's irrelevant to bring up that price (what $5 is worth is completely subjective). It's about unnecessarily asking money to play online so the companies can maximize their profits. Don't be so condescending, I understand the service, I understand why they're asking money for it. Just because you're fine with paying, doesn't mean everyone should be or even that it's actually a good thing. You must be reading some other replies as well, because I'm not bragging about Nintendo's online, I'm just stating it's free. The bottle-comment is ridiculous. Not every Nintendo game has online, but games like MK8, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 3/4 Ultimate, Pokémon, Fantasy Life and other games have online that works well. Don't act like it doesn't. (Yes, it doesn't have all of the frills of PSN/Xbox live, but the online works well.) As a side note, if you think it costs $2000 to build a PC that outperforms Xbox One or PS4, you're not that smart.
Why bring up these fictional Nintendo fanboys that were laughing at the DdoS of PS/Xbox's online services? I didn't see any of them, I'm not one of them. I know there's little you can do to stop that kind of thing. And again the fanboy-like dig at Nintendo's online, people would notice if their online services stopped working, you only need to go back to Christmas 2013 to see that.
Enjoy your PSN/Xbox live, I'm glad you're happy with them. You're not going to convince me that they're really necessary or anything other than the companies making as much profit as they can.
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
@Quorthon It's funny you bring up that Kotaku article (even though it doesn't have any relation to the discussion). While it's stupid of people to yell at customer service people on the phone, it also showed that the people at customer service were poorly informed about what was going on.
“During this flood of calls, the higher-ups didn't explain much to Dan and crew, other than the fact that it was "an attack."”
“Throughout the outage, Sony's customer service agents were in the dark as much as the rest of us, Dan says. They didn't know what Sony was doing, when the servers would be restored, or even how Sony planned to avoid this sort of situation in the future. ”
That PSN money really helps, huh? (Yeah, I'm getting sarcastic now, sorry.)
Of course hosting servers cost money, you don't explain why that would require you to pay extra though?
I disagree about “sharply” cutting into profits, it MIGHT cause them to earn smaller profits. I think it's offset by lowering the cost, not producing and shipping physical products. Either way, they're still making a profit... :/ I have no experience with Gamestop, but that doesn't seem like a compliment at all.
Sure, Sony cleverly offers more than just online. On the other hand, you are required to pay if you just want to play online, even though you've already paid for the games. To reiterate, if you want to make full use of the game you bought, you need to pay extra. And let's not forget a large part of what Sony offers is also offered for free on PC/Steam (online, plenty of discounts, profiles, 'avatars' really?). Renting games (let's just call it what it is, because it's not free) could easily be a service on its own. If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly the way it used to be. (It seems to me requiring it to play online is just to force more people on that service, but that's besides the point.)
The Wii U doesn't have that many games that have an online component, true. But with the games that do, the online runs pretty great. Wii U and PC is indeed the way to go, for more reasons that just free online. About the MMO comment, I see that as another way to pay for the game, not to go online.
At the end of the day, with MS and Sony you pay for something that's free on PC and Nintendo systems. I'm going to ignore most of paragraph following this, I'm not at all saying everything should be free. As I've said before, they can make the money to pay for the servers by selling the games. Online isn't just free on Nintendo platforms, it's free on PC as well (for example Far Cry 4: online on PC is free, PS4 requires PSN).
I'm not arguing the services aren't 'worth it' to people, I'm saying it's just another way for companies to earn more money. Sometimes it seems like people forget we're talking about companies, they exist to make as much money as they can.
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
@Quorthon Eh, my first comment was a bit of an easy dig at the service, without any reasoning or explanation, so I understand your reaction.
I still can't say I agree with you, really.
1) As far as I'm aware (I don't claim to be an expert on this subject) DDoS attacks don't actually damage anything, it's just that the servers aren't able to handle the ridiculous amount of requests sent their way.
2) Free to play games have their own ways of making sure they are profitable (also War Thunder and Blacklight Retribution seem to be on Steam as well, a free service).
3) Digital shops usually don't sell games for less than their physical counterparts, even though there's no need to produce actual discs and ship them across the world. That money saved isn't going to the consumer, it could go to maintaining the servers for the digital shop.
4) I know the servers require maintenance, that doesn't necessarily mean a consumer has to pay (for no game in particular) those costs. Companies profit from selling those games, the payment for online is just a bonus. (For example, again, there are plenty of online games on PC, almost always with free online.)
It is paying to be online. On top of whay you pay your ISP. It makes no sense to me.
Besides that, I think requiring people to pay for online wouldn't be good for Nintendo. Mainly because it seems a lot of parents buy Nintendo systems for their kids, I don't think they would understand such a thing and would see it as a big negative. Maybe some other subscription would work, like a subscription to acces all the Virtual Console games, but even that I'm not a fan of.
The Pokémon bank is a pretty horrible thing as I understand it. Particularly because it is now required to trade Pokémon between different generations of the games (I may be wrong about this, I haven't used it). Something that could be done locally before.
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
@Quorthon I know the value of what you're getting and I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of it. I just don't like a lot of parts of this subscription service, the paying for online is one. Not being able to acces any of the "free" games you "have" after you stop your subscription is another point (it locks you into that platform and into the subscription imo). I don't think it's something Nintendo should pursue.
Edit: I did not pay for Pokémon bank by the way, I don't like that either. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, Nintendo is not without faults.
Re: Talking Point: Club Nintendo's Closure Is An Exciting Opportunity To Modernise Fan Rewards
"we're fans of the PlayStation Plus model"
Yay, paying extra for online acces to a company that's not your ISP!
Re: Poll: As amiibo Expands and Evolves, Which Features Are You Most Excited About?
@Tuulenpoika Same here. It better not be rare.
Re: Quirky Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate 3DS HOME Themes Arrive in Japan
I feel a lot of the themes are way too busy on the bottom screen, the part that is obscured by all the icons for games.
Re: Poll: Nintendo's Year of Adventure on Wii U and 3DS Promises Hundreds of Immersive Gaming Hours
I'm excited about Splatoon. Both Xenoblade and Zelda still have to convince me.
Re: Gallery: Feast Your Eyes on the Super Mario and Super Smash Bros. Wave 4 amiibo
That Ness amiibo will look nice next to my Villager. And those will be the only amiibo I will buy for the foreseeable future.
Re: Poll: Which New Nintendo 3DS Will You be Buying?
@DonnaxNL That's just the Standard New 3DS though.
Re: Nintendo Anime Channel Will Bring Free Streamed Shows to 3DS in Europe
Youkai Watch coming in the future perhaps?
Re: Digital Foundry Ponders Next-Gen Hardware Options for Nintendo
@Sir_JBizzle Perfect! Now I'm wondering how many shrugging gifs you have.
Re: Digital Foundry Ponders Next-Gen Hardware Options for Nintendo
@Sir_JBizzle It's pretty much spot on, I just don't really like Kanye.
Re: Fresh Batch of New Nintendo 3DS Ambassador Emails Looks Set for Monday 12th January
It makes sense that they would send out more e-mails if they have stock left after january 12th (when the offer expires for the first batch of emails).
Re: Video: Unboxing The New Nintendo 3DS Ambassador Edition
Oh man, that comparison photo with the DS lite, that really shows I will never go to a smaller sized (New) 3DS. Way too small, especially now that I'm used to the XL. It looks so pretty though.
Re: Digital Foundry Ponders Next-Gen Hardware Options for Nintendo
I need an animated gif of a person shrugging apathetically...
Re: Nintendo and GungHo Online Entertainment Announce Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition For 3DS
@Caryslan Isn't there a Mario vs Donkey Kong game coming out as well?
Re: Feature: The Biggest 3DS Games of 2015
"Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate - Early 2015"
When Capcom? It can't be that early if there's still no release date announced.
Re: Talking Point: Five New Year's Resolutions for Nintendo
"Nintendo's made big mistakes with YouTube, and as recently as mid-2013 it was enforcing draconian IP rights and demanding money from adverts."
Pretty sure they are still claiming pretty much everything they can. They really need to let people just play their games on Youtube, it's one big (free) commercial for their games and systems.
Re: Poll: Fake Wave 4 amiibo Images Make Us Dream of More Figures
I'll write in Isabelle (Animal Crossing).
Re: Review: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy (3DS eShop)
@spizzamarozzi It's not just in English, it also contains the other main European language: Japanese.
Re: Atlus Releases New Teaser, Box Art and Pre-Order Bonus Details for Etrian Mystery Dungeon
That font and the colours are so ugly, but the game looks interesting.
Re: Level-5 Confirms Some Handsome 3DS eShop Festive Discounts
Already have Attack of the Friday Monsters and Liberation Maiden, picking up Weaponshop de Omasse. I was waiting for that one to be discounted.
Re: Feature: Time to Vote For Your Game of the Year Awards 2014
Didn't vote for Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy in the eShop release category, because it's now a new game. Lol'd at Watch Dogs.
Re: Game Boy Advance Shooter Pocky & Rocky With Becky Gets Rated Down Under
I'm very interested in playing the SNES game Pocky & Rocky, a cousin of mine had that and it was pretty great. Not sure about this, it doesn't look as good.
Re: Weirdness: Sony Uses Art From Super Smash Bros. To Celebrate 20 Years Of PlayStation
Almost a dig at Capcom, the best version of Mega Man they could find was made by Bandai Namco.
Edit: Thanks for the correction Deathgaze. The point still stands though, the best version wasn't made by Capcom. ^^
Re: Video: The Top Ten Worst Designed Pokémon Ever
@Ichiban Victreebel.
Re: Out Today: Rune Factory 4 Finally Arrives in Europe
Yup, definitely on my list to buy soon. First the Phoenix Wright trilogy though.
Re: 40 Percent Blasted Off The Price Of Classic Steampunk Shooter Steel Empire
@Prof_Clayton Sorry, just had to post this.

Re: Talking Point: The Legend of Zelda on Wii U Steals The Show and Raises Expectations
Meh, I'm not really a big Zelda fan, so this doesn't get me hyped at all. I was hoping they would show a new game for WiiU.
Re: Rumour: Dubious Walmart Listing Suggests Supposed Paper Mario Title for Wii U
@Emaan Ha, thanks! Love yours too! (That's Villager and Ness right? Had a hard time placing the guy in the back. )
Re: Rumour: Dubious Walmart Listing Suggests Supposed Paper Mario Title for Wii U
How do we know it's a faked tweet by the way? It probably is, but what makes you so sure?
Re: UK Retailer GAME Cashes In On Intense amiibo Demand By Hiking Price
@Poketendo Apparently MediaMarkt is also raising the prices of amiibo, they must be selling. Some like Samus, Link and Fox are €20,94 now, a few others are €17,94.
Re: Early December Update Will Fix Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Freezing Glitch
@happylittlepigs The first game had that yes (and you basically had to trigger that yourself), but after that I haven't heard anything like that, until X&Y and ORAS. Please feel free to give other examples though, I'm probably pretty ignorant about this.
The missigno bug never broke my game though, it just gave me 99 items. (There were more of those things, like cloning a pokémon by interrupting a trade. Ah, the good old days of trading in the playground.)
Re: Rune Factory 4 Arrives On The European and Australian 3DS eShop On 11th December
@luke88 I had to look that up, but indeed, it's supposed to come out the same day.
Re: Weirdness: Legless Peach amiibo Now Up For Sale
Good of Nintendo to represent the legless people in our society in their Amiibo-line.
Re: Early December Update Will Fix Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Freezing Glitch
@justastone Games in general or Pokémon games? I don't think I've ever really had any problems with the Pokémon games, these bugs just seem kinda serious.
Re: Out Today: Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire (Europe)
@6ch6ris6 Even though the codes work for all of Europe. :/
Re: Early December Update Will Fix Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Freezing Glitch
@Artwark Hmm, would the 3D have any effect on gamefreezing bugs? Or that save-corrupting bug from X&Y? (I would buy another 2D game though, HG/SS are still my favourite. Pls GameFreak, let my Pokémon walk behind me again!)
@ekreig Sure, but shouldn't a bug like this have been spotted and fixed before release?