2014 is drawing to a close, ending another year of fun, frustration, innovation and madness in the world of Nintendo. Once again the Kyoto company went its own way, which is a strength and weakness in any given circumstances. The 3DS continued to sell in highly respectable numbers, though may track below 2013, while the Wii U had terrific games but - in terms of known sales at the time of writing - not equivalent sales. No matter how you slice and dice statistics that are out in the wild to date, it's been out-performed by both the PS4 - which was the year's big overall winner - and the Xbox One. Momentum has been improved for the Wii U, which is pleasing, but the numbers aren't particularly rousing.
It's to Nintendo's credit that it is, so far in this financial year, returning profits despite sales struggling to improve; the 3DS remains the bedrock for the company, keeping it stable despite issues in the home console space. While business realities are disappointing, though, there's been a greater sense of spirit and optimism around Nintendo. 2014 brought some excellent games and related sales successes - relative to the lows of 2013 - and the company has already lined up a solid batch of content to take us through decent sections of the coming year. With more announcements sure to come soon along with the arrival of the New Nintendo 3DS - date TBC - in Europe and North America, the company should be able to keep some buzz going throughout the next 12 months.
With hardware and games coming, along with details on the sleep sensor what will eventually be the first QoL (Quality of Life) product, there's plenty on the big N's plate. That said, we've decided to identify five key areas where we think Nintendo can - realistically - do better. These are some logical changes, some more ambitious than the rest, that we believe could be beneficial; Nintendo's big-wigs know perfectly well how to run a business, of course, but that doesn't mean that consumer opinion can't be useful.
Below are some New Year's resolutions that we'd like Nintendo to consider.
Build the Brand on Social Platforms
Nintendo has already started to make strides in this area, so this is more about continuing the decent work we've seen in 2014. The company's approach at E3 was fantastic, shunning the live media presentation in favour of an entertaining digital event, staging a high-profile Super Smash Bros. Invitational and delighting dedicated fans with hour after hour of live streaming from the Nintendo Treehouse team. Nintendo of America, in particular, ran a few excellent - and lengthy - live streams in 2014. In addition, we've seen the beginnings of more interesting and regular video content from the company's various YouTube channels.
A key area to improve is YouTube. Late in the year Shigeru Miyamoto and Bill Trinen appeared on popular YouTube channels - with millions of subscribers each - such as Rosanna Pansino and iJustine; there's also an upcoming appearance with Smosh Games. While not to everyone's taste, YouTube is a powerful part of modern consumer media, with channels commanding millions of subscriptions and hundreds of thousands of views (often millions) for each and every video. This is where a lot of people go for their entertainment, and Nintendo has been left behind as brands such as Minecraft have dominated Let's Plays, while Sony and Microsoft's systems and available games seem dominant in comparison to the big N's.
Nintendo's made big mistakes with YouTube, and as recently as mid-2013 it was enforcing draconian IP rights and demanding money from adverts. We can argue all we like about whether that approach is justifiable, but the fact is that the content providers have the power through their audience; don't court their revenues, but encourage them to cover Nintendo games. We certainly don't condone the skullduggery of paid-for content that isn't marked as such, but simply lifting limits and being relaxed about YouTube can go a long way. As for Twitter, Facebook et al, the approach has already been much improved; the company's accounts can still lighten up a little and bring more individual personality to the fore, but they've been moving in the right direction.
Be Bold With Pricing, Products and Stock at Retail
To be blunt, stock and distribution of the most desired Wii U products - in particular - in the Holiday season have been almost unacceptable. There wasn't enough amiibo stock for demand, and even worse Nintendo's communications around the problems were of little use, while a number of those eager Smash Bros. fans that wanted a GameCube Controller Adapter were left disappointed. While markets like the US have shown signs of positive sales despite some stock problems, meanwhile, the UK has seemingly reverted back to being both one of the biggest markets in Europe and a weak spot for the company; the software top 40 in the country was grisly reading in December.
In 2013 Nintendo was badly burned by having a lot of shipped Wii U systems that it couldn't shift; an overloaded and unwanted inventory was partially blamed for losses, and in one quarter the European Wii U hardware sales were actually a negative - in other words, more stock was returned by retailers than actually sold in shops. As mentioned above, Nintendo's done impressive work in 2014 in making profits without actually boosting sales in a big way, no doubt being savvy in not over-manufacturing, focusing on the 32GB Wii U models and so on. A problem, though, particularly in the Black Friday period, was that Nintendo was caught on its heels as Microsoft in particular targeted consumers with huge incentives and price cuts. The Wii U was still the least expensive console, but not to the degree that the Wii was in its early pomp.
As Nintendo learned with the 3DS, it's not a brand that can command premium tech-prices; once the portable's price was slashed in Fall 2011 and games arrived, it flew off the shelves. The Wii U, missing the majority of third-party blockbusters and technologically behind its rivals - in terms of graphics and multi-tasking power - simply has to be a budget machine. Nintendo's systems triumphed in the Wii / DS era for a variety of reasons, but reasonable pricing undoubtedly played a role. Those on the fence may find it easier to accept the limited third-party retail library on Wii U if it's a cheaper, more naturally impulsive buy. So yes, an official price cut to Wii levels is what we'd suggest.
That may not happen if Nintendo's already plotting for the Wii U's life to be short, but if its target is to reach - say - 2017, it needs to be cheaper. Nintendo will naturally do the financial calculations and make a call, but just like with the 3DS it seems that many may be happier to buy a Ninty system for its unique games if it feels more affordable. On top of this, Nintendo needs to make sure that its biggest products of 2015 - including more amiibo - are readily available and visible at retail. With so much competition in the marketplace Nintendo can't afford to mess consumers around with stock shortages.
Keep it About the Games
This isn't a suggestion that Nintendo forget about convenient apps to enhance the Wii U and 3DS, as they're certainly welcome; unfortunately our hopes for native Twitter and Facebook apps seem fanciful due to the presence of Miiverse, even though we're fans of Nintendo's bespoke network. Just recently Crunchyroll arrived in North America, for example, but 2014 helped Nintendo retrieve a bit of attention as it delivered some high-quality, polished and fun games. The company continued to make its point that its game experiences offer something unique in the market, and that helped to keep the 3DS relevant and - most importantly - shift the perception around Wii U. The home console gradually improved from being kicked while it was down to earning some respect for dodging the worst of 2014's trends; Nintendo's games weren't broken messes at launch, for one thing.
Encouragingly, Nintendo seems set to keep the focus on great games in the coming year, while highlighting the fact that they're distinctive and unique titles will be key. The confirmed Wii U line-up has a nice variety, though the 3DS docket is still pretty thin; we hope an early 2015 Direct will ease those lingering concerns.
Beyond retail, we hope that Nintendo will continue to find and support top-notch download experiences. Shovel Knight was a big win in 2014, ahead of its migration to PSN in 2015, while efforts from publishers and developers such as Curve, Ripstone, WayForward and a host of newcomers to Nintendo hardware delivered some genuine quality to the eShop platforms. There have been lows, which will inspire debate of their own, but let's not forget that 2014 was arguably the best year yet for the Wii U eShop, while there were also good moments on 3DS.
Take the Nintendo Network to the Cloud
We've said this many times, and Satoru Iwata acknowledged in a shareholder Q & A session that future hardware will likely see Nintendo Network IDs that are even more connected that before and not tied to hardware. Is it possible we'll still see cloud-based Nintendo Network IDs - at the consumer level, they clearly already are at Nintendo's system level - in this generation? We hope so.
Our optimism that this can happen is based on the fact that, assuming Nintendo aims to join the modern age with its network on future hardware, it may want to initialise it and learn about it in this generation. Shifting our IDs to the cloud on our current consoles would allow Nintendo to ride any issues and mistakes before implementing without the fuss in future. At the moment we're in an archaic situation where our content is tied to hardware - again, at a consumer level - requiring a fussy system-to-system transfer should we ever change units, or to even have multiple IDs should we, for example, have an account on a family member's system and then buy our own unit. It's bonkers, as no other major tech product or platform - PSN, Xbox, iOS, Android etc - follows this structure.
The logic to this old approach for Nintendo is simple, as it allows low maintenance, control and oversight over our digital content. It's outdated, however, and shifting systems or accessing content on another unit should be handled fairly and quickly via the cloud. Nintendo will finally do this, the question is in which generation will it take the plunge.
Give Incentives to Customers Old and New
We've banged this drum before, but the end of the Nintendo Network Premium promotion - providing eShop vouchers as rewards for Wii U eShop purchases - we now have an intriguing moment to wonder what Nintendo will do next. This year Satoru Iwata has spoken about providing loyal, high value Nintendo customers with incentives and rewards for spending their hard-earned money. That's great to hear, and now we wait and see what that actually means.
One potential option is a PlayStation Plus approach, in which a monthly subscription provides access to free downloads every month; it's a popular service and clearly works on a business level for Sony, though it's effectively compulsory on PS4 due to its necessity for online multiplayer. Sony seems to pay developers and publishers to include their games, giving those game makers the decision on whether to gamble on making more money in individual sales or to take a lump sum. For Nintendo, it would naturally come down to assessing pros and cons in terms of profit, though its various promotions that give away retail downloads (in Europe particularly) show that the company's not averse to encouraging us to pay more in exchange for some freebies.
Another option is an overall Nintendo Network ID equivalent to the Premium promotion. With eShop funds tied across Wii U and 3DS, and our purchases on both systems being tied to that single account, there is most definitely scope to implement a new promotion that rewards download purchases with points and eShop credit. If downloads on both systems contributed to one pot, there's obvious incentive for Nintendo gamers.
Beyond that, more individual promotions - buy game x and get y for a lower price - are welcome, as will be any system that serves as a thanks to those that buy Nintendo games and show loyalty. We all love a good deal, ultimately, and Nintendo should take advantage.
Those are some of our thoughts, but let us know what you think in the comments below.
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no. 2 is right i cant find a single diddy kong
Release a collection of Donkey Kong Country/Land games & Soundtrack for Wii U.
@SpaceCoyote this so much
I think we all know what we want from Nintendo, better third party support
This is an interesting wish list.
I agree a lot about no. 2, the amiibo and GC adapter shortages are something that shouldn't have happened especially in NA. But I'll add the unfair VC approach to this, really NA shouldn't have had to wait 10 months for Super Mario Bros. Deluxe or 4-5 months for virtually every extremely popular classic (e.g. SMB3, ALttP, SMK, DKC trilogy)
Here's one more for you.
#6 Nintendo 64 Virtual Console: Either cancel it or explain why it has been delayed for literally years! Things not to do: say absolutely nothing about it.
I want to see a bum rush of amiibos on store shelves purely to make the people who paid $50+ for a silly plastic statue with no real added value in the video games feel dumb.
Otherwise, I like your guys ideas, but if 2 of the 5 happen it would be a miracle. Might as well be asking for hoverboards and flying cars, which we were supposed to get in 2015!
Account-based profiles.
Account-based profiles.
Account-based profiles.
Get some 3rd parties back on board.
Focus on the non-Mario content.
Incorporate a Trophy/Achievement system with the ACCOUNT-BASED PROFILES.
Make Club Nintendo worth the time.
Make a paid-subscription service, something like a Club Nintendo Premium, to compete with PSN+ and Xbox Live Gold.
Club Nintendo app for the Wii U and 3DS.
Collector's editions of all major releases this year--Splatoon, Xenoblade, Zelda, StarFox.
Buy Capcom.
Edit: Peach64's post reminded me:
Fix Virtual Console (more games, more consoles, GameCube, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast).
Incorporate the Wii Ware and Wii Virtual Console into the Wii U eShop.
Allow Wii games to be played from the Wii U menu and to "auto-boot" Wii Mode when selecting the games instead of having to go digging around another unnecessary menu just to access Wii games. Honestly, Nintendo, this works so smoothly on the 3DS, why not the Wii U??
This may be less of a macro issue than those identified, but it is critical: Amiibo integration. The Amiibo are a fantastic idea, but the implementation has not been strong (low supplies and hoarder demand = false sense of achievement). Big N, the amiibo need to be playable characters in a range of games if they are to have any measurable long-term success.
Do something about the VC, you already lack software in general, so Nintendo's mediocre piece meal apprach to releases is parthetic. I'm not even complaining about price, just give me variety and quality titles.
Good stuff. I hope that someone at Nintendo comes with the same ideas.
I'm not sure what I want for this years. More power in next Nintendo hand held gen could help. Games like Kid Icarus: Uprising and Smash 3ds were kinda cut short due to not enough room on the 3ds. They could have been a better game and the New 3ds should have been made AGES ago to with all these games over the past year and a half. Why release the New 3ds so late. Us Australians got it early but it was released on the day of the wrong game. Pokemon comes out every year at least. Smash Bros. comes once a console gen.
So maybe my wish this year is actually for Nintendo to make better choices?
Bring Sega to VC. Arcades, Dreamcast, Saturn, Mega CD, Megadrive, Master System......
@Quorthon Oh, God, YES.
Agreeing here with the above. I love that Nintendo is creative, but they don't half need someone to organise that creativity into some kind of cohesive management plan! (Often) vastly different release dates - Scribblenauts unmasked?, differing Club Nintendo everything, promises made that seem to evaporate or show up randomly as one-off events - UP!, don't get me started on Special miis, missed opportunities and wasted potential... I still love the Big N because they offer closest to my ideal experience, but it could be even better. @Quorthorn - what you said!
They should make it if you buy a game on 3DS it should be free on wii u and the same as Vita & Ps3/Ps4. As if you buy say ... Mario 3 on 3DS you have to repay for the same game on Wii u.
Also gamecube games on shop would be great.
Heh, Getting a temp price cut around 200 bucks would work wonders.
Be a bit more social to your people.
Buy out some companies namely sega and capcom
they should make the first dual gamepad game maybe splatoon?
I'd really like them to work on the Virtual Console. At the very least the first party stuff from the Wii should be on the Wii U now, but I don't see why they can't get stuff like Yoshi's Island and Star Fox on there. If emulators made by hobbyists can run those games, then it shouldn't be a problem for Nintendo. It would be really nice to get Gamecube games on there too. As someone that only really got into Fire Emblem with the release of the 3DS game, I wanted to go back and play through the older stuff. We have the two GBA ones on VC now and I managed to get the Wii one, but I won't be playing the Cube one unless I stump up £120 or Nintendo make it available digitally.
I also want them to take a long hard look at the pricing model for digital games on other platforms. I understand this isn't so much of an issue in the US as they can control the price of physical games too, but they're putting a lot of work in trying to push digital downloads with all their free game offers, but there's no way I'm going to ever download anything when the physical releases are so much cheaper. The top games like Smash and Mario Kart can be pre-ordered for under £40, and both have been available for under £30 within a month of release, so I'm not going to pay the £50 Nintendo charge. Two year old games like New Super Mario Bros U can be had for about £12 these days, but for a digital copy it's still £50. And the 'sales' are really, really poor. 25-33% discounts are typical, but they're already at least this much more expensive than the physical copies. On Xbox and Playstation they've had GREAT christmas sales where you can get games, some of which are less than a year old, for under £5. I'm sure that brings in quite a few sales from people that would never have even considered trying it at full price. Can you imagine what a £5 Wonderful 101 might have done for a brand that's otherwise dead?
@Quorthon a paid-subscription service would stink
Patch more amiibo support in games. For example, Donkey and Diddy Kong amiibos for DKCTF. Boosts game's and amiibo's popularity.
I for one hope Nintendo stays far away from the PS+ model. I don't want to pay for "free" games and discounts. I'm all for an extended Deluxe promotion, though, especially if they expand and/or improve it. It would be great if they could have incentives for both retail and digital games, for instance, since many gamers (myself included) still prefer discs to downloads.
@Quorthon Great list
@ThomasBW84 Great list also
Getting their online account system sorted should be high priority. It's embarrassing they're in this situation where their system lags behind literally everyone else.
Likewise Nintendo of all companies are sitting on the kind of back catalogue that could be utilitised in a subscription service, and the kind of rabid fanbase that would buy into it. Instead they've opted for using the VC to fleece those long term fans while simultaneously letting the available selection fester. Amazing mismanagement
I believe you can redone load your purchases without having to do a system transfer, but I think you have to take the NNID off of the Wii U before putting it on another one.
@yaryah21
You have so little confidence in Nintendo, and/or so little knowledge on how freakin' awesome these TOTALLY OPTIONAL paid subscription services actually are. I'm getting 6 games from PSN+ next month for the equivalent of $5.
Tell me that stinks, and you must hate gaming or deals or something.
@Peach64
Oh, I completely forgot to add the Virtual Console to my list. That needs a major overhaul.
My only real complaint is wanting DKC trilogies. After that, I don't care about all this other stuff.
@Quorthon I wouldn't exactly call "compulsory to play online" optional.
@TrueWiiMaster
It might help if you understood that PSN+ is totally optional, and delivers the equivalent of 2~6 games per month across PS3, PS4, and Vita for the equivalent of $5 a month, as well as featuring many discounts on several other games.
I decided to give it a shot last year after my girlfriend gave me, essentially, a totally Vita Xmas, and I haven't looked back. Not only do you get so many games and deals, but it's an incredibly easy way to find new hidden gems you may have otherwise missed. Without PSN+, I would not have found Velocity Ultra or Velocity 2X, which quickly became a new favorite IP, and put the developer on my radar.
This kind of service is great for developers and great for gamers. My girlfriend, meanwhile, has been enjoying her subscription to Xbox Live Gold with her X360 and new XBO.
i also feel that they need to lower the price of digital games scince they put less money science no case or game to make it would be nice if it was like 5 dollars cheaper
@Grumblevolcano
If you don't play games online or want specials, deals, or "free" games, you don't to pay for it. Hence, optional. In fact, you can choose not to subscribe to it at all if you don't want to, which is the very definition of being optioinal. In the meantime, Nintendo has free online, and next to no online games. Plus, PSN+ and XBL Gold are not required for any other service, like Netflix or Hulu.
You guys who are still, for some reason, against this, simply have no idea what you're talking about.
Look at it this way, for $50 a year, I get anywhere from 24 to 72(!) games for free from Sony, depending on how many of these consoles I have (I have all three of the supported PS platforms). On top of that, I get access to loads of special-priced games and items, and in some cases, early access (if I so desire) to certain games.
Compare that to Nintendo, where using Club Nintendo, I have to spend a minimum of $150 on games to get one (1) old game for free from Club Nintendo.
Which one of those is a better deal? Why are you even still complaining about paid services?
Again, $50 for 24~72 games from Sony.
Or $150 for maybe one freebie from Nintendo.
Yeah, PSN+ sure is a terrible deal. So long as you don't know what it is. You guys complaining about PSN+ or XBL Gold are cherry-picking little, individual things and complaining about them, obviously oblivious to what the services actually offer. In the end, they're not bad deals. In fact, they're excellent deals, they're good for gamers and good for developers, they help you more easily expand your tastes and interests, they help lesser-known games to be found more easily by newer audiences, and they deliver a lot of content for very little money.
Maybe if it was just for discounts, it would suck.
Maybe if it was just for online play, it would suck.
Maybe if it was just for one free game per month, it might still suck.
Maybe if you just focus on the price and not what they offer, they would suck.
But the fact remains, for $50 or $60 (which I think is the XBL Gold cost), you get deals on games left and right, "free" games every month, access to extra features, more gameplay options, more games and experiences, and it even helps out the developers make money well after a release and/or find new audiences they might not have had otherwise. These services work, and they're pretty great deals.
Playstation Now on the other hand, is fundamentally broken. And the EA Access program appears to be rather iffy. But PSN+ and XBL Gold on their own? Outstanding. There is little reason to hate them unless you just flat-out want to hate something because the word "Nintendo" isn't on them. No doubt, if Nintendo was offering a similar competitive service, all of you complainers would be subscribing that with the same fervor you use when shoving Amiibos in your shopping cart.
Be careful what you wish for, if Nintendo changes too much they may not be the company we generally admire today.
@Quorthon I own a 360 and have been a Gold member for over 5 years now so I know the benefits of Xbox Live and of course if I owned a XB1 then the benefits would pretty much double. I don't agree with the concept of having to pay to play online but I'd get Gold even if online was free (for the free games, sales and double rebate on my purchases via XBL Rewards). Nintendo consoles are the only ones left with free online and I'd like it to stay that way especially with the introduction of heavy focused online games like Smash Wii U (the single player content is very limited) and Splatoon.
I think The new 3ds is coming first quarter 2015. GameStop Italy will be selling limited edition 3DSXLs for 160€this HGS January. They normally sell 200-230€.
That said, I'm tempted to get the Zelda 3dsXL for 160€. Too bad I won't be able to get the GBTetris which is its last day today before they pull it off.
Lower WiiU price to grow install base, lower digital downloads, account-based profile, buy Capcom and Sega, get third party support back by co-publishing titles (at least major yearly instalments: CoD, Fifa, AC, etc), keep WiiU alive for at least another 4/5 years with loads more games (Mario Football, Metroid, F-Zero, another Zelda, Mario Galaxy 3, Endless Ocean 3, Monster Hunter 4U, Sonic Adventure 3) and...alright, alright, I know where the door is...
@Grumblevolcano
Nintendo could always choose to keep online play free and simply have the paid service for game deals and freebies. They don't need make people pay to play online. Indeed, PSN+ wasn't required for online until the PS4, probably to help pay for a new server load.
Nintendo is still more than a generation behind in online gaming. Frankly, if they required a monthly fee to play online on the Wii U right now, I'd call it a terrible deal unless it also came with similar game deals and specials. I base that on Nintendo's totally lackluster online game offering, where the best games on there are the two Call of Duty titles that came out ages ago. Mario Kart and Smash Bros are totally dominated by crowds that have perfected those franchises for generations making them basically no fun. Despite the "For Glory" option, it doesn't seem like anyone uses that, as I frequently encountered those people in the "For Fun" where the point was, as per my understanding, to have fun. That means utilizing items and changing characters frequently, and mixing things up. Not playing with the same character you perfected in Melee in every battle because you can't handle even the chance of having a challenge.
For Nintendo to charge for online now? No, it wouldn't be worth it because their online showings are terrible and there are too few games. Hopefully Splatoon fills a void left by the absence of Advanced Warfare this year, as I didn't really start enjoying online deathmatch gaming until I decided to give Call of Duty a shot when I bought the Wii U.
But to create a service similar to PSN+ or Games with Gold? Something that just adds a tier to Club Nintendo? I'd pay for that in a second.
I get that you want the online to remain free. But it's free now and it still sucks. I'll take a paid version with loads of options any day. I'm not going to handle Nintendo with kid gloves and act like they're some special little flower. If they want attention from regular gamers, they need to earn it, and a service that competes with XBL Gold and PSN+ would help them in that regard.
If you already understand the value of these services, then it may be time for you to also stop handling Nintendo with kid gloves. It comes across as hypocritical to pay for the service on Xbox but to say you'd never want the same on Nintendo. Unless, of course, your hope is that Nintendo remains uncompetitive.
@Metalk9
"So maybe my wish this year is actually for Nintendo to make better choices?"
Don't we all...
Release VC games around the same time worldwide. Make the VC a place for forgotten classics and games that never made it out of Japan. Bring more variety to the VC, such as GameCube and N64 games for Wii U, SNES (and at a push N64 games too), Game Boy Advance and Virtual Boy games for the 3DS.
@Quorthon
It's not optional on the PS4 if you want to play online, which is a huge component of many PS4 games. You get 1-2 games per system (which are usually only playable on one system) per month. You don't get to choose the games, so the free games you paid for in advance might be games you already have or simply don't want. If you stop paying the subscription, your entire PS+ library gets locked, so they're really just rentals, too. I fully understand what PS+ is, and I don't want any of it, including payed discounts, on my Nintendo systems.
I'd also like to point out that whatever you get from Club Nintendo is 100% free. With PS+ you pay $50 a year to rent a bunch of games Sony chooses, but with Club Nintendo I get several free games (or collectables) with my usual purchases, no strings attached, and I get to choose which I want. The Deluxe promotion has also acted as a constant discount on the eshop, covering new, old, and discounted games.
And finally, any lack of online games on the Wii U stems from a lack of 3rd party support, not from Nintendo. Online players being better than you isn't Nintendo's fault either, and in no way makes Nintendo's online service worse.
"Pay more in exchange for some freebies."
I fall for that too often!
Another thing is tell us what Retro Studios is working on
@TrueWiiMaster
But the point of a subscription service is it's optional. If you don't want it, don't pay it. From a business point of view it makes excellent sense though. It gives life to old games that aren't selling at retail and encourages DLC sales is one advantage. But the main one is the brand loyalty. If a user thinks e.g. PS Plus is great value, it gives Sony a positive image in their eyes. It's also very effective in encouraging purchases of other Sony hardware as the user is building a library of content even when they don't own it (especially as so much on there is Cross Buy). I had access to 20 PS4 games before I even bought one so what chance realistically did XB1 have?
You can choose not to buy in yourself but Nintendo are crazy to ignore it.
@TrueWiiMaster
On online gaming, how is it third-parties fault that Nintendo didn't bother to put online play into NSMBU, Nintendo Land, Pikmin 3, Wii U Party, SMB3DW, Hyrule Warriors etc?
Nintendo needs to start being a company again. They make amazing games - the best ones around! But they currently are not acting like a company.
@electrolite77
"Compulsory to play online," is not optional as already pointed out.
Also why are you guys asking for paid subscription? Just for the sales? Freebies? I'd rather ask Nintendo to do monthly sales up to 20%-50% off on selected first-party games (retail, vc, eshop) without paying subscriptions. Make it a once per year deal per game to reward those early console adapters.
"Nintendo's big-wigs know perfectly well how to run a business".
Hmm, that's debatable. The best games developer in the business also makes some of worst business decisions.
@BensonUii
As has been said before, that doesn't have to be the case. Nintendo could cut it any way they want. Offer a better online service and charge (don't want to play online, don't pay it), keep it minimal but offer a paid subscription service. Easy. I hardly ever play online but I'd still pay for PS Plus.
I don't really have any expectations of Nintendo in 2015. There is no way they can stop me from picking up a ps4 with Arkham Knight.
@TrueWiiMaster
It's still optional on PS4. It was always a paid service for XBL, but now that's been vastly improved to compete with Sony, because that's how normal game companies work--they better themselves to offer more competitive advantages to the benefit of the company and the consumer.
It could be easily argued that since Nintendo does everything they can to avoid direct competition, they are uninterested in bettering themselves or having to change to become more appealing to consumers.
Now, if you honestly believe the laughable rhetoric you stated about Club Nintendo games being "100% free," I should warn you that you don't understand the word "free" and you are setting yourself up for some depressing credit card bills and a stack of mail-order hokum should you ever accidentally watch any infomercials.
This is why I have frequently (unless I'm in some kind of hurry or somewhat lazy) refer to the free games from PSN+ as "free" in quotes, because you are technically still paying for them, to the tune of $5 a month.
Now, to fully correct your incredible misconception of the word "free," NOTHING IN CLUB NINTENDO IS FREE. You "pay" for them with Coins, Coins that can only be earned by spending cash money on other games and hardware and registering them with Nintendo, where they give you "Coins" in return.
To get that "free" game on Club Nintendo, you have to spend a minimum of $150 to earn enough Coins to download one (1) game. If you think that's free, I've got a whole host of free stuff for you, and all I need you to do is buy a whole bunch of brand new retail video games and mail them to me. Why, they don't even need to be Nintendo games. I'll take PS4 as well, too.
Your comment about "sometimes you own the game" is absurd because I have also frequently owned the games Nintendo offers for non-free via Club Nintendo! So what? That's what happens sometimes! That doesn't mean the service isn't worth it, because it is!
This demonstrates the exact point I made earlier: That to find fault with these services, you have to cherry-pick the points and focus on them to paint them in a negative light.
Let me know when you're ready to send me my video games so that I can send you your free gift. I require at least 4 full-priced retail games for this free game to be sent to you, a little more than Club Nintendo, but it's still closer to the average on that site. Oh, and just like Club Nintendo, I won't tell you which games count (considering 3rd party) or how much they're worth, so you should probably send more like 7 games just to be on the safe side. And then I'll send you your free game out of a selection of 8 games of my choosing.
@immadashell
If $5 a month is breaking the bank for you, you shouldn't be playing video games at all. No one ever said this hobby was cheap.
@creeprtrainer52 If your looking for a diddy kong amiibo, check amazon. They have them in stock right now
Everything besides the cloud.
@immadashell
You clearly have no grasp of what any of this has been about. How sad.
@Pahvi and @TrueWiiMaster - "do remember that not all countries have CN." and "I'd also like to point out that whatever you get from Club Nintendo is 100% free."
My major problem w/ Club Nintendo is how separate it is from Wii U and 3DS. I know they both have built in web browsers but it should be simpler than that. And if it isn't in your country than it's a serious non-starter. And the eShop always had a link or the DDP video but never a link to your actual DDP account, which was just stupid. Nintnedo doens't know how to spell "integration". Until they do CN is not the answer. When you DL a digital game CN knows, why can't it know when you play a disc based game on your system? Why do I have to fill out a survey online? It's more work than is necessary. It could become an answer, but as implemented right now it doesn't work.
@ryan3ds - "The question is, which one???"
MH4U
Keep the games coming and Nintendo should not only get good sales, but also keep their customer satisfaction.
One thing I strongly believe that steers consumers away from the Wii U is the image. Stated in this article, Nintendo needs to promote online more. People just don't understand the Wii U, and as a result of that the sales are limited.
I happen to marvel at my Wii U, and I'm sure most of the owners of Nintendo's console feel the same way. Work on that image, Nintendo, and you should do well entering 2015.
@electrolite77
Optional subscriptions can become mandatory, like PS+ did.
It might make great business sense, but it does so at the expense of customers. The larger your PS+ library gets, the more you'll feel obligated to pay $50 to keep it going for another year. Having a PS+ library for a system you don't have may make you feel obligated to get that system, even if you prefer the other. If you don't have the subscription, and therefore can't get some sales, it feels as though you're being punished for not subscribing.
It was obviously Nintendo that didn't put online play in some of their games, but that's not the real problem. Imagine if 3rd parties stopped putting online games or modes on the PS4 and Xbox One. They'd suddenly have almost as great a shortage of online games as the Wii U. As it is, most of the online games on all three systems have come from 3rd parties.
#1 - amiibo game
Just got back from Target, my kids spent a lot of time looking at DI and SKylanders figures but shrugged off amiibo right behind them. We own DI 2.0, Skylanders Trap Team and SSBU but besides my youngest wanting Bowser they just have no interest, and they play a lot of SSB on their 3DS and Wii U, but not w/ amiibo. I know a lot of people are glad their isn't a game, but they need 1 by next holiday to really push these things. I don't care how much they are going for now on eBay, they will fall by the wayside w/o a dedicated gaming experience.
#2 DDP needs to be replaced
I spent $123.10 on eShop and earned $20 back in credit (currently have 15 points left, so I'm good, not spending another $48.50 today to earn $5 credit). I know I'm not a factor for Ntinedo but some people on here spent a lot and earned a lot. When you take something like that away people notice more than if it had never been there (see PS3 losing Other OS). They need something to replace it. Across the board 10% back for ALL Wii U and 3DS owners is ok w/ me. I got my 18 exclusive months, I'm good w/ sharing the wealth now. Preferably w/ better integration w/ an app so we can see easily view it on our consoles.
#3 - better marketing (for the 3rd year in a row they still need improvement)
Wii U 2015:
Kirby Curse
Yoshi Wooly World
Splattoon
Mario Maker
Maro Party 10
Starfox
Zelda
XCX
These are the 1st party games we know about, I'd expect a couple more announcements for next holiday. Nintnedo needs to get the word out. Much. More. Advertising.
Keep it about the games?
I have to disagree w/ that one. I'm ok w/ no DVD adn blu ray disc support, the horse is already out of the barn on the hardware end - but they should get on board the streaming market - ESPECIALLY w/ a built in tablet like screen in the Gamepad. Roku has about 1,000 channels - get more of those. Support home streaming via Universal Media Server via an app. I bought a PS3 for my bedroom tv just to stream. PS3 is getting PS Vue - a cable box replacement. Ninnteod has the nearly useless TVii (completely useless outside the US). Make us of the screen. Support something Skype-like. Play MKV off a thumb or HDD (the PS3's major drawback). Embrace digital, people expect it.
@Quorthon
It's only optional if you don't want to play online, which is a huge part of many games, and a free feature on PC and Wii U.
Your logic concerning Club Nintendo is very backwards. Nobody buys $150 worth of games to get a $5 game. They buy games, and then get something from Club Nintendo free. Since you don't pay to get the game from Club Nintendo the game is free. PS+ is the exact opposite. You pay, and they let you play games as long as you keep paying. If you stop paying, they take them all back.
There are a couple key differences here. First, Club Nintendo is free, so if you already own what they're offering, you aren't losing anything. That's not true of PS+, with which you've already paid. And second, Club Nintendo has options. Each month they put up 8 games (plus the Gold/Platinum rewards), and you can choose to get one, or wait until you see a game you want. I think coins are good for 2-3 years, so you can wait a long time. With PS+ you get what they give you, end of story. If you already owned it, or didn't want it, it doesn't matter, because you paid Sony up front.
Your example really doesn't work. With Club Nintendo, I buy games I want, I keep them, and then I get bonus games/items that I never paid for. In your example I'm trading items of high value for items of low value. There is no trading or loss involved in Club Nintendo.
@rjejr
I agree. Nintendo should have put a Club Nintendo App of some sort on the Wii U (and maybe 3DS) a long time ago. It doesn't make sense at this point for it to be so separate. They should also work on making digital games on Club Nintendo available to pretty much everyone, regardless of country. I mean, the eshop's already available everywhere, right?
The reason they don't just automatically match discs with Club Nintendo, though, is because people would abuse the system. Even aside from people buying used, people could borrow their friends' discs just to get points on Club Nintendo, which kind of defeats the purpose. Also, you have to do a registration survey whether you buy the game digitally or at retail. The digital games just don't need you to enter a code first.
And the Wii U already has it's own version of Skype. I don't think many people use it.
@TrueWiiMaster
My man right here!
@rjejr: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year my friend. I'm glad I don't get points automatically from my physical games. That way I can save more for the following year if I need coins. As far as amiibo, I have 5 with many others preordered. I have no interest in DI or Skylanders and there are plenty others like me who will continue to collect them and not really give a rip about their in-game functions.
@TrueWiiMaster: Nice job explaining PS+. People think that it is the best thing ever for gamers (and sure it may be beneficial) but in reality in Sony's genius loyalty and continued cash flow scheme.
@TrueWiiMaster Assuming they could integrate Club Nintendo with an app, they could simply start including an RFID chip in the case (perhaps laced behind the proof of purchase bar code or something, or designate a small circular target on the case where it's at, and start letting gamers scan the case on the gamepad via NFC and automatically register the game with Club Nintendo. The chip could have a code only good once, so it can't be abused.
That would be awesome, would it not?
Happy new year!
Brazilian eshop...i miss you
1. Put N64 games on the VC like you promised 3 years ago
2 - 5. MAKE SURE THE NEW ZELDA DOESN'T SUCK AGAIN
@TrueWiiMaster - Skype - works on tablets, cell phones, netbooks, laptops, and PCs, of which there may actually be 1 over billion supported devices in the world. Even the Sony owned Vita has a Microsoft owned Skype app, who knew?
http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-gaming-and-music/
Wii U Chat works on about 10 mil Wii U. Not even the 3DS is supported despite having a built in front facing camera and wi-fi. If there were an Android or iOS app that linked up to Wii U Chat then yeah, it's Skype, but not limited to Wii U it isn't.
I realized the issue w/ Club Nintendo discs after I posted it. As a person who rents a bunch of discs from Gamefly and Redbox I could game the system. I'ld still appreciate a dedicated "app" so I could go right to CN to put my code in when I do buy a game. Club Nintendo needs to be made into a useful app like the daily log. They could always take the cheap way out like some apps do and just make it link to the web browser page. Is there a way to make "bookmarks" into menu boxes? That would be cool and seemingly simple.
Club Nintendo in Scandinavian countries would be welcome.
@Ryno - Collectors going to collect collect collect, players going to play, play play play play (it's NY Eve, might as well rip off Swift) I think there are a lot more players than collectors. I still think some amiibo sales are going on eBay and part of the herd mentality shopping spree that overcomes Americans each Dec. will fade. Target was full of Mario, Zelda, Peach, Donkey Kong, Luigi and a couple others. If kids don't want them for gaming, they won't sell well enough.
Happy New Year to you too. Hope you have more planned than this I'm going to make popcorn and watch Guardians of the Galaxy w/ the wife and kids. They've never stayed up before so were going to try it tonight.
@JaxonH - I have no idea what you are talking about w/ the DS and Donkey Kong Trilogy, sorry. Sounds like you found a solution to your problem though.
I'm about 1/3 thru Darksiders 2 on PS3 or I would have picked it up for $8. I did pick up Skyrim, Bioshock Infinite and Bioshock 1 for $15 today. I played the Minecraft Skyrim mod on PS3 and basically bought Skyrim for the music - not a fan of western RPG, I don't even know if it's 1st or 3rd person, just wanted to play it before Zelda U. And I was 1/3 thru BI when my PS+ expired. And I own Bioshock on PC disc but I've never owned a PC that could play it. Well I suppose this one could, never tried it (21" monitor vs 52" tv). So it seemed like a good deal for $15 new on disc.
OK, time to go start the party w/ the family. Go play some games will ya
@rjejr One game- Dragon Age Inquisition. And it's quite possibly the best game I've played all year. Like, DKC Tropical Freeze/Bayonetta 2 level of awesomeness. Maybe even more. Highly recommend.
@JaxonH - Yeah, that did look awesome. But I was a bit hesitant as I never played the 1st two. Maybe 4 years from now when I can get it free on PS+ on my $200 PS4 Happy New Year again, gotta go.
A subscription-based system could work, but I think it would need to be more like the Sattelaview service of old. It would need to be exclusive games, broadcasted at different times, but once you download the game, it is yours, forever. The best of these exclusive games would get full releases, as voted for by subscribers.
So, price cut for the Wii U? Perfect. Exactly what I've been saying for the last year (look it up). Would any drones like to continue arguing that it's not necessary?
$199 for the 32g console, no game. Period. Long, long overdue.
I'd like to see a Sandbox amiibo game. Not sure why Nintendo took the "we're not doing infinity/skylanders style" when it works and prints money.
Twitch on Wii U would be cool
@TrueWiiMaster
Well, that would mean it was a success. If customers build up a big enough library that they want to keep subscribing, how is that a problem? And if that means revenue for Nintendo, how is that a problem? If it means more system sales for Nintendo, how is that a problem?
The template is out there. There will always be excuses (especially on here) for Nintendo not doing things they should be doing, like fixing their Account System, but a properly run subscription option would be good for customers and good for Nintendo.
I just want the company to market itself more. When I learned that one of my coworkers loved Mario Kart, and I mentioned to her that Mario Kart 8 released this summer, she yelled, "What?! When?!" I told her it was for Wii U, and she stared at me blankly. This should not happen, not everyone follows the Nintendo news pipelines. They need to take their console seriously and actually market the freaking thing.
Here's a bunch of things Nintendo could and imo should do this generation and just for simplicity they are all in relation to the Wii U only:
Drop the price of the console. Lower the price of Virtual Console titles across the board; permanently. Upgrade the GamePad to have better range along with the new battery that has a longer life, then include this new updated GamePad as standard with all new Wii U systems going forward. Create a proper single unified account system. Merge the Wii U and 3DS eShops. Allow consumers to buy a single copy of basically all the VC games and certain eShop and digital titles, which they can cross play on both Wii U and 3DS where it makes sense. Add an option to download a simple patch that let's people play CDs/DVDs/MP3s/etc, at a small cost for those people that want it. Release the Wii U console and GamePad in some more colours, just for fun and a bit of variety. Find some firware/UI solution to merge the Wii only mode directly into the Wii U mode and interface, so it's a much better integrated experience and even though it might still be going into Wii mode to play certain Wii and Wii specific VC titles etc, it doesn't actually appear like this to the end user; so the whole experience is just more seamless, less convoluted and just more satisfying.
This kind of stuff would go a long way to improving Nintendo's situation in the current generation imo.
@Kirk You do realize it would take a complete overhaul of the system to incorporate the majority of those features you mentioned right
In regards to amiibos I don't think anyone not even Nintendo was expecting them to take off like they did. To put it in perspective I just found recently at Best Buy they have outpaced Skylanders and are neck and neck with DI. The majority of the issues are obviously a result of Nintendo being caught off guard by the unexpected demand
-Improved marketing (internet ads outside of social media are useless due to adblock)
-Wii U price cut
-N64, DS, GB, and GBC games on Wii U VC
-Add all of the NES games that are on the 3DS VC but not on Wii U VC to the Wii U VC
-Bundles for major games (Splatoon, Star Fox, Zelda, etc. Splatoon and Zelda especially). A bundle that includes both Mario Kart 8 and Smash would be smart.
-Untie the NNID from the hardware and add cross buy for VC. That's all that's missing from this "unified account system". Digital purchases have been tied to the NNID for a while now. It's the NNID that is hardware tied.
-Unify the two eShops. There should only be one eShop. Make it to where you can purchase Wii U games on 3DS and vice versa, and it will start downloading immediately on the respective system via SpotPass.
-Fix the amiibo and GCN controller adapter stock issues
Oh, and how about this: A 3DS PRICE CUT. You're launching the New 3DS next year - the current models should NOT be this expensive. Discontinue the original 3DS, and drop the price on the 3DS XL and 2DS. 2DS should be $99, 3DS XL at $140, N3DS at $170, and N3DS XL at $200.
Here's another one that nobody ever mentions, not even @Quorthon and @Kirk: Why on earth does the 3DS only allow up to 3 different internet settings to be saved?! My 2nd generation iPod Touch from several years ago isn't even that archaic. The 3DS should allow an infinite number of internet settings to be saved. It's pretty much 2015, Nintendo.
If your PS3 up and dies on you and you send it back to Sony, you better hope someone is feeling generous, because (technically) they CAN NOT deactivate that system for you.
What does that mean?
If you want to replace that PS3, you'll have to rebuy everything.
One of each of the 4 systems (PSP, PS3, PS Vita, PS4) is all you get and if you want another, you have to deactivate the old one and (GASP) TRANSFER to the new one OR redownload everything.
Acting like Nintendo is trying to muscle it's customers and that Sony and Microsoft (anti-backward compatible) are saints and trendsetters, you're sorely mistaken.
Apple leads the way, but currently, only Steam is entirely free of hardware restriction. And at that, still has all the prerequisites and circumstance of typically standoffish PC gaming.
@Quorthon 2015 is Mario's 30th anniversary. So yeah, Nintendo will definitely give some focus on Mario. 2016 is Zelda's 30th anniversary and Pokemon's 20th anniversary, so you can take a guess on what the focus is that year.
@Wolfgabe
Only on a firmware/UI and services level for the most part and if Microsoft can manage such feats, totally changing the Xbox 360's firmware/UI and adding new features and services multiple times in it's lifespan for example, then there's no reason Nintendo couldn't manage similarly and implement basically all the stuff I'm suggesting.
It's not like I'm asking Nintendo to suddenly make the Wii U as powerful as a PS4 or something like that. It's just a bunch of tweaks and fixes for the most part.
Sure; it will take some hard work on Nintendo's part but I think working a little harder to give all the disgruntled gamers out there the Wii U console they want and expect is exactly what Nintendo needs to do at this point in time.
I believe the end will justify the means.
@FullbringIchigo Speak for yourself.
@Quorthon Nicely said.
Forget 3rd party support (nobody wants Assassin's Creed/Mass Effect/Arkham Asylum for Wii U), what Nintendo needs is 3rd party/indie exclusives
1. Twitch on EShop
2. Metroid Zero Mission GBA on WiiU/3DS
3. Dreamcast/ GC VC
4. Virtual Console
5. Virtual Console
6. Virtual Console
@Quorthon
Right on.
Everyone not wishing for a premium Nintendo service is a FOOL!
Do it like Steeldiver: offer a free, excellent experience, or upgrade for 60 a year for tons of free rentals and, more important, tons of discounts, much needed in the Nintendo environment.
I did subscribe for PS+ for just 3 months for like 18 bucks. Man, I paid 6 bucks a month and saved like 25-40/month in discounts of great games, like Guacamalee, Last of Us, Battlefield 4 (yes, I know), and so many games I lost count. I couldn't wait just to renew for a full year and never looked back.
And yes, Club Nintendo is a joke (even coming from a Platinum member for the last 6 years). I just wish they sell pins or have more like the Luigi statue and 3dsXL cradles.
Others are saying this so I'll add my vote to it as well. Please release all possible Virtual Console games. I realize some won't see the light of day due to trademarks but there are plenty that can be. I might represent a small majority but I'd love to see The Adventures of Lolo 3 released. Why did they release 1 and 2 but not 3? It is nice we've gotten some games that would be expensive to get on Ebay (Megaman 7, Demon's Crest, Megaman X3) but please don't leave others out. E.V.O., Lufia 1 and 2, Illusion of Gaia, I just wish Nintendo would release the entire library all at once. I just don't see the point in waiting anymore as the Virtual Console was established back when the Wii launched.
What I would like to see with Nintendo's next console:
-an actual Next-Gen console (PS4 and XBone's "Next-Gen" was out-of-date upon release)
-developer friendly, (gotta get that 3rd party happening and stop their complaining)
-eshop containing every Nintendo game they can put on it from NES to WiiU (like to see this happen with WiiU eshop too)
-backwards compatability (at least for WiiU games)
-some gimmicks/innovations, like the gamepad, but not wholly relying/focusing on it (I think the gimmicks keep things fresh and interesting, unlike PS4 and XBone, which are just glorified, scaled down PC's)
-more features, like dvd/blu-ray player, some other apps would nice (like the recent Crunchyroll that's just came to WiiU).
-remasters of games that truly deserve to be remastered
-more Nintendo quality games (but that's a given)
-remove region-locking
-cross-buy VC games, cross-platform and cross-gen
And just for dreaming's sake, acquire exclusive rights to all SEGA IPs for VC and new games. Acquire all of Monolith's games (The whole Xeno-series & Baiten Katos). Acquire Banjo-Kazooie and Mega Man IP's.
3DS and N3DS eshop have every portable game on there from GB to N3DS and least to N64 games.
@creeprtrainer52 GameStop currently has Diddy Kong in stock as of 1/1/15.
@locky-mavo Backwards compatibility can't happen if Nintendo wants 3rd party support due to them having to switch to x86 architecture. It's either Nintendo switches to x86 and (potentially) get 3rd party support, but forgo backwards compatibility, or they stick with PowerPC and have BC but guaranteed no 3rd party support.
@NodesforNoids
That isn't accurate. My PS3 was stolen, I bought another and redownloaded everything. No problem. When I replaced my Wii I got nothing back.
With Sony you can register multiple systems, you have the chance to just take your ID off a system before selling it. If all else fails the ability to digitally deactivate everything and redownload what you want on a new system. Not perfect but much better than Nintendo's archaic DRM.
Thanks for illustrating just how much better Sony's system is though. I'm sure some still don't get it.
@electrolite77 Not the case anymore on Wii U and 3DS. If you lose your system all you have to do is call Nintendo support and they'll unlock the NNID. Log in on the new system and you are good to go. Not perfect, but your digital purchases are safe. 3DS goes a step further if you have the contents of your SD card backed up on your PC.
Also, I had a PS3 that broke. My account was still activated on that system. It wouldn't let me activate it on the new one - had to call Sony and have them deactivate my account on the broken one. There's a limit to how many times you can activate an account.
@C-Olimar can you honestly say Nintendo has good third party support, they didn't even get the FIFA and that was released on everything
yeah Nintendo has great first party games that sell but let's be honest how long can they keep going on just those, SEGA lost third party support with the Dreamcast and look what happened to them (although their first party games wasn,t as strong as Nintendos), do we really want Nintendo to go the same way?
The Wii U still suffers from a identity crisis and some people still think that the 3DS is just "another DS". They need to start a new branding scheme for there next set of consoles otherwise it will become even more confusing.
OFF TOPIC: Did nintendo just extended the deluxe digital promotion?
[NOTE] The Deluxe Digital Promotion will be discontinued on April 1, 2015. Please exchange your points for an activation code by March 31, 2015. Activation codes must be redeemed in the Nintendo eShop by June 30, 2015.
Some JRPG's on the Wii U are welcome. And why not Pokémon on the Wii U?
@IceClimbers
Yeah I believe Nintendo have got better. That just makes it more frustrating to me, they're so close. Finish the job. As can be seen from this and other threads it's a major issue for some people. Sony need to give you the option to deactivate digitally without the system.
@audreypots Aww man, that would be lovely... But i think it just means you have to exchange your points for codes before April 1st
I'd be interested in playstation plus type service but the quality would have to be thereto make a subscription worthwhile. I don't think anything like that will arrive until nintendo's next consoles however.
@audreypots no, Dec 31st was the deadline to earn points. The deadline to exchange those points for eshop credit was always March 31st.
I'd love to see them A) synch up the WiiU / 3DS game libraries ( there's no reason any NES, SNES, GB/C/A or even N64 titles shouldn't be available on either), then B) make them crossbuy. $5 for an NES game starts looking a lot more appealing if I don't have to decide which system I want to get it for. If there's a game like Duck Hunt where it makes sense on one system and not the other, note it on the eshop. ( This title is WiiU only..)
I love my PS3 but I would never get plus, those "free" games unlike the discounts are rentals. Part of the reason I don't have a PS4. I was going to get plus for the discounts but the games are cheap enough in the flash sales anyway.
I'd really like to see localised releases on Japan only games like Yakuza, Dragon Quest X and Fatal Frame but the chances of that happening are very slim.
I'm pretty much with everyone on the improved accounts system and VC improvements.
"Nintendo's made big mistakes with YouTube, and as recently as mid-2013 it was enforcing draconian IP rights and demanding money from adverts."
Pretty sure they are still claiming pretty much everything they can. They really need to let people just play their games on Youtube, it's one big (free) commercial for their games and systems.
@JaxonH
It would definitely be awesome to just hold the case up to the Gamepad instead of entering a code, but I think people would still abuse it. It wouldn't be as widespread as it would with disc-based registration, but there are definitely some people out there who would buy games new only to use the NFC chip without opening the games, and then return them. That would give Club Nintendo fake information, and give someone else who buys the game afterwards a useless chip. If there was a way to lock the chip until you open the game, it would be a great upgrade to Club Nintendo. QR codes you could scan with the Gamepad/3DS camera would work too, though they'd be less awesome.
@electrolite77
It might be good for Nintendo, but not necessarily good for customers. Anything that pressures customers to keep paying and to stay loyal, regardless of what they want, is sort of a scam. PS+ might be profitable, but it's a very manipulative, even underhanded, way of keeping customers.
@TrueWiiMaster
Underhanded and manipulative are two words that have long defined how Nintendo has frequently worked. The way they historically dealt with third parties fully defines both of those terms. The way they keep Nintendo fans glued to news of the future with ever-present "upcoming Zelda" teasing.
To be fair, all corporations operate in ways that customers may feel are underhanded or manipulative, but that doesn't change the fact that subscription services like PSN+ and XBL Gold both work and are actually really good values.
We need to get over this idiotic notion that Nintendo is some kind of "good guy" among a sea of evil corporations. They are really no different. At all. The only difference is that Nintendo isn't even trying to compete, and that is reflected in their sales.
Again, when we defend a company for policies that lead to failure, then we make apologetics for failure. You can say "well, Sony and MS are manipulative" and pretend Nintendo isn't because they don't yet have a similar service, but what Nintendo is doing is not making them successful. What MS and Sony are doing is.
@TrueWiiMaster
Concerning Club Nintendo "logic," you're cherry picking and ignoring the obvious fact that unless you are spending money on games, you get NOTHING from Club Nintendo "for free." If you actually got it for free, you wouldn't have to pay or anything. But you do.
Face it, the stuff on Club Nintendo isn't "free" no matter how you want to twist around words and play pretend. You spend money, or you get nothing from the service. That is not the definition of "free" any more than the PSN+ games are actually "free." You spend money to get both, but for Club Nintendo, you spend way more.
And we might as well not even bother with the physical "rewards" in Club Nintendo these days, as there are almost none these days, and what is there is pointless. By the way, both Sony and MS have rewards programs for buying stuff from them, so they have that on top of paid services that all deliver more and better content than what Nintendo offers with paltry Club Nintendo items.
@maceng
I also started with just a 3-month subscription thinking I would try it out and then maybe just let it go, but it hooked me. So many games and so much to play. I got it largely to expand my Vita library when I received it as a gift last year (the only game system I ever received as a present), and got so hooked it inspired my PS4 purchase over the XBO, despite the X360 being my primary console last generation.
@TrueWiiMaster
A 'scam'? 'Underhanded'? Come now, let's keep it sensible and not resort to histrionics. It's another way of offering access to video games to customers who can choose whether or not to take that option, and another way of making money from videogame content which is what Nintendo Sony etc are seeking to do.
@IceClimbers
As much as I'd like to to see the next Nintendo console be backwards compatible, I'd much rather they drop it in favor of ensuring they make the changes they need to make for the console to be successful and competitive.
Frankly, I very rarely use the BC abilities of my Wii U as it is. But I do use them fairly frequently for the 3DS. Go figure.
@Quorthon
There's a big difference between a business model that holds games hostage to keep you paying and loyal, and a business model that keeps you coming because great games are on the horizon.
I was never trying to blame any failure on Nintendo's lack of a PS+-like service. I blame Nintendo's current lacking console sales mostly on poor marketing.
I'm not cherry picking anything. Obviously you don't just go on Club Nintendo and order everything. That doesn't change the fact, however, that you pay nothing for anything on Club Nintendo. Nothing from PS+ is free, because you directly pay for it. Everything from Club Nintendo is free, because you don't pay for any of it. You can try to twist it around, but the fact remains that I've never paid a penny for anything from Club Nintendo.
I don't know about Microsoft's version, but Sony's rewards system is a joke. You get $10 of PSN credit after spending $1000. The cheapest items are avatars, and you have to spend about $50 to get one of them.
@electrolite77
I wasn't being histrionic. A business model that keeps customers by holding their games hostage sounds like a scam to me. I'm not saying it's not brilliant, or that it's not profitable. I'm just questioning the ethics of it, and saying I don't want Nintendo to follow suit.
Day 1 DLC is another way "of offering access to video games to customers who can choose whether or not to take that option, and another way of making money from videogame content". Mandatory online passes are too, as well as pay-to-play games. Those are all ways to make money on games, but that doesn't make any of them good.
@electrolite77 Yeah all that's left (that I can think of) is to untie the NNIDs from the hardware and they'll have a proper account system. I think one thing though is that a lot of people talk about wanting an account system when they really mean cross-buy, which are two different things that are closely related.
@Quorthon I'm in the same boat. Only time I've really used the BC on the Wii U was to play Brawl or Galaxy. On the 3DS I still use BC fairly often because of Pokemon (the only reason I still have a DS Lite haha).
@TrueWiiMaster
The things you listed in your second paragraph aren't good. But they are different things. That's a false analogy. Also, 'holding their games hostage'? Again, we're in histrionics territory . Renting games from a subscription service does not make them 'your' games, nor does it prevent you from buying games you want as yours
@Quorthon
Agree and agree.
@TrueWiiMaster
It is not FREE.
If you don't buy games, then you don't get coins. Simple.
A free CLub Nintendo would have mini-games , avatars or stuff like that that you could download for free regardless of how many games you have bought from them, or how many coins you have. That is the definition of free.
And is not just that it isn't free, but it is very expensive from MPOV.
@TrueWiiMaster
You have indeed paid for everything you've gotten from Club Nintendo. You demonstrate some great hypocrisy in demeaning Sony's Reward system for having to spend $1000 to get $10 back (whether or not this is true, I don't know, and the quality of that is not the point here) where you seem to understand that you have to spend money by buying products to get something out of the reward system, but have still convinced yourself that all the money you also have to spend to get something out of Club Nintendo doesn't count and therefore Club Nintendo is "free" while you have to pay for the exact same system from Sony.
This is special pleading. Nintendo is special for doing the same thing as Sony, as when Nintendo does it, it's "free," but when Sony does it, you have to spend money to get the rewards, and you recognize that you have to spend money for it.
@IceClimbers
I remember thinking it was rather snide when, I think it was Don Mattrick, from MS at the time saying that "backwards compatibility is backwards thinking" or something along those lines, and while I think all new devices generally should be backwards compatible, I also recognize that, realistically, I don't use the feature much and no one buys new hardware to play old games. Old games are generally just a nice bonus.
I think we're in pretty good agreement that Nintendo's next system should not be backwards compatible and likely won't be. I don't particularly believe they want people thinking of the Wii U when the next system launches, and as I've noted before, I don't think it will carry the "Wii" moniker anymore as it's now been fairly heavily tarnished.
Suffice to say, the next Nintendo console is highly unlikely to be backwards-compatible to the Wii U. Nintendo needs to change too much, and I think they may realize that.
I'd really like it if Nintendo can use PC as means of storing save data and eshop content as means of backup or atleast a Smartphone.
.....but it ain't gonna happen right?
@Artwark
I think what you're referring to is the Cloud.
#6 More 1st-Party 3DS games
current lineup of upcoming First party 3DS Games
1. Majora's mask 3D
2. Code name S.T.E.A.M
Current lineup of upcoming 3rd Party 3DS games
MH4U
SMT:DS2RB
Etrian Mystery dungeon
@Quorthon and @Artwark
they have used the cloud for pokemon storage
@TrueWiiMaster correction day 1 DLC is the part of the game that your $60 should've got you but didn't
They need to work HARD on Nintendo 7.
Release Nintendo 7 in November 2016 and they will remain the most powerful and most up to date console for 4-6 years.
Fix EVERYTHING they have screwed with Wii U.
DROP the "Wii" name after this generation. The name alone is enough to put hardcore gamers off. The SNES, the 64, the Gamecube all hard hardcore gamer elements to their libraries and userbase. The "Wii" has been tarred with the gimmick games for kids brush and that will stick forever no matter what anybody else says.
they need to hit nintendo 7 hard and be aggressive from its launch build up and beyond just like the SNES days.
Nintendo is the video game king and it needs to realise that, start acting like it and start getting things right again.
I don't think it needs to do a complete 180 on the family image (god forbid every release on it be a rated M game), but they should focus on making their consoles less gimmicky. I mean, I played smash bros. For years with the nunchuck before realizing what the classic controller was. Make the system and the gaming staples like Zelda use more normal controls and focus on innovating the gameplay, not how you play it. (I don't care for twilight princess' use of the wii mote to control that bird). It's a hard balance.
@electrolite77
I never suggested they were the same. I said they are all ways of making money off of video games, to make the point that profitability doesn't make something good, which is what you were suggesting (as I understood it).
PS+ is not your typical rental service. As long as you continue to pay, it's as if every borrowed game is yours. When you stop paying, you lose your library. That business model pressures subscribers to stay subscribed, even if they want to quit, while simultaneously pressuring them to stay with Sony, even if they'd prefer to go elsewhere.
@maceng
True, but it's free with the games, because I don't buy the games to get coins on Club Nintendo. If I did, it would definitely be a very expensive and entirely pointless service. It's like getting a free drink after buying 5. You buy the 5 drinks because you want 5 drinks, not because you want the free one at the end. The 6th drink is a free extra that you don't have to pay for.
@Quorthon
You misunderstood me, and honestly, I thought you might. With Club Nintendo, you get a free game/item with every few games you buy. With Sony, you have to buy a ton before you get anything free. I was never suggesting that Sony's rewards system wasn't free. I was just saying that if it takes that long to get something free, it's almost pointless. To sum up, Sony's reward system and Club Nintendo are both free. Sony's reward system just takes much, much longer to give you anything free.
TrueWiiMaster, you are verything wrong with a Nintendo fanboy, sorry it had to be said. Your rethoric is quite weak and nonsense, you do understand what is a rental service right? You pay for a service, in this case games and as long as you keep paying you keep using them, you don't pay you don't use them, easy right?
How in the name of all reasonable is that helding games hostage? You are still able to buy the games and sometimes at a discounted price only available to those in the service in which case if you stop paying for the service you retain those game because you PURCHASED them. Really you are trying to argue with nonsense.
@Quorthon "Club Nintendo app for the Wii U and 3DS."
I second this.
@FullbringIchigo For me the ship has sailed with Nintendo and 3rd Parties. THe company has proven time and time again - with the SNES, the N64, the GameCube, the Wii, the Wii U - they are incapable of maintaining healthy relationships with 3rd parties. At this point hoping for Nintendo to improve their situation is pointless. The same people are making the same mistakes at Nintendo and until there is a major reshuffle in the upper management layers of the company I can't see the situation improve.
None of this matters to me as long as we continue to receive great games, but in order to fund games like Bayonetta 2 we need Nintendo to perform well as a company. Which they are not. And will not, under Iwata and co.
@Kmno Maybe its changed but I recall that if you download a game for free via PS+ then you can't buy the game until your subscription runs. So lets say game A is part of February's free games list and then in March, game A gets a 60% discount for PS+ members. If your PS+ membership expires in April and you don't want to renew it then you cannot get the 60% discount at all if you download game A in February.
@Kmno
I'm "verything wrong with a Nintendo fanboy" because I don't like PS+ and its business model?
Actually, a typical rental service lets you rent 1-2 games at once, and then you return them and get new games. PS+ lets you build a library, which then pressures you to keep it and stay with Sony.
As Grumblevolcano said, you can't buy the games you get "free" while you're subscribed. That means you can't get the PS+ discounts, or even regular discounts, on games in your PS+ library. In fact, you can't even buy them at full price as long as you're subscribed. You can't reduce your borrowed library, which means the number of games you lose by unsubscribing can only grow.
Nintendo needs to get their quality control employees work harder because of low skilled developers releasing more low quality games on the EShop.
Oh look it is creator of Mario with five European boys he helped corrupted.
Five things Nintendo could do.
1. Get rid of profile crap and just leave that to an credit card system. People can call themselves whatever.
2. Make an NES slot on top of the next system before porting to the craphone.
3. Make ten Wario games
4. Get Rare back under it's wing and forget about all the rubbish they made on Microsoft.
5. Fund those canceled three megaman games already for the Wii.
6. No more DLC. This is why the market is shrinking
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