There was some surprising news today with the upcoming closure of Club Nintendo, bringing an end to Nintendo's only consistent consumer loyalty programme. There have often been promotions to encourage gamers to buy and enjoy more systems and games, with the Nintendo Network Deluxe / Premium promotion on the Wii U being a notable example. When that closed at the end of 2014, however, the question was simple - what's next? We hope that the eventual successor to Club Nintendo will answer those questions.
The issue has certainly been on our minds in recent times, prompted by the end of the Wii U promotion in particular - we highlighted incentives for loyal customers as a New Years resolution for Nintendo, and also included the same thought as a key feature we wanted in the 14th January Nintendo Direct; it didn't make it into those broadcasts, but hasn't been far behind.
To kick off with the soon-to-be-departed Club Nintendo, in some respects it's not a significant loss. It's a promotion with infrastructure very much catered to the Wii / DS age, and has become increasingly out-of-touch as the years passed by. In Europe rewards are largely in the form of physical items and a handful of digital wallpapers and ringtones; some pricier treats have worth scrabbling for, such as a Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack CD. Like many of these schemes the rewards demand a lot of purchases, and the surveys required for each and every claim of stars is a bit of an abomination; too many tick-boxes and the same questions over and over again.
The North American equivalent is different, arriving later back in the day and incorporating a coins system as opposed to the stars in PAL territories. The rewards approach is separate, with monthly download options and an increasingly limited set of physical merchandise choices, with the digital games often looping around with the passing of each month. Elite Rewards have been a source of extra annual treats, however, with attractive options prior to 2014's download-only approach.
It's difficult to be overly critical of Club Nintendo, as it's always been extras for 'free', as it's targeted at those most eager of fans that buy plenty of titles anyway. Nevertheless, it's been in a little bit of a rut, drifting along with occasional pleasing moments but often passing by unnoticed. Its fiddly survey-based approach and hit-and-miss rewards combined to strip it of potency.
Compared to the Wii U's Premium / Deluxe promotion, Club Nintendo was certainly 'of its time', an age when online was largely an activity for PCs alone. The Wii U service utilised the Nintendo Network ID to better effect, automatically logging home console eShop purchases and attributing points which, after a time, led to a code for $5 / £5 / €5 in funds. It was still a little archaic in that you had to manually check a website and obtain a redemption code - when it could in theory be automated to add funds to your account - but as a promotion with the home console it worked nicely. The key was that it was genuinely quite rewarding; you could typically buy a full-priced retail game on the eShop and be relatively confident that a small discount off your next purchase was due.
Nintendo has been clear that a new customer loyalty programme will arrive later in the year, and it's worth noting that it's been publicly pondering its next option since January 2014. Satoru Iwata said the following at that time, which is wordy but indicative of what could come next.
If we succeed in the redefinition of video game platforms that I speak of today, our account-based connections with consumers will become very clear. For example, until now it has been taken for granted that software is offered to users at the same price regardless of how many titles they purchase in a year, be it one, five or even ten titles. Based on our account system, if we can offer flexible price points to consumers who meet certain conditions, we can create a situation where these consumers can enjoy our software at cheaper price points when they purchase more. Here, we do not need to limit the condition to the number of software titles they purchase. Inviting friends to start playing a particular software title is also an example of a possible condition. If we can achieve such a sales mechanism, we can expect to increase the number of players per title, and the players will play our games with more friends. This can help maintain the high usage ratio of a platform. When one platform maintains a high active use ratio, the software titles which run on it have a higher potential to be noticed by many, which leads to more people playing with more titles. When we see our overall consumers, they generally play two or three titles per year. We aim to establish a new sales mechanism that will be beneficial to both consumers and software creators by encouraging our consumers to play more titles and increasing a platform's active use ratio without largely increasing our consumers' expenditures.
As we've highlighted in our year's end and pre-Nintendo Direct editorials, we're fans of the PlayStation Plus model and would welcome something similar, though we're doubtful that Nintendo would want to adopt a yearly subscription-based promotion. The Wii U's Network Promotion is a greater indication of what could come, while Nintendo's shown through one-off deals - such as the Smash Bros. CD and Mewtwo DLC offer on Club Nintendo - that it's more than willing to give us incentives to buy the biggest games.
A unified promotion that adopts a number of these ideas, utilises the Nintendo Network ID and functions across both the Wii U and 3DS - eShop and physical goods - could certainly do much to help fans and all Nintendo systems owners feel more appreciated. Satoru Iwata spoke of "flexible price points" and inviting players to try games, too - Nintendo adopted the 'introduce a friend for rewards' idea back on the Wii, so over a number of years the company has been trying out different concepts. The challenge is to bring the best of these ideas together, tie it to our accounts and make it intuitive, easy and rewarding to use.
In their own ways Sony and Microsoft reward those that pay regularly for content, particularly those coughing up an annual fee. Nintendo can top these programmes by taking a variety of ideas and forming a cohesive whole, a promotion that gives loyal fans more; hopefully with the minimum of fuss for the gamer and, in the name of all things sacred, no surveys. It could be a useful tool for promoting the Wii U and 3DS in this generation, but also set the template for future platforms.
Finally, it'll be a pity if the name Club Nintendo is entirely lost. As a phrase it's excellent, playing into that human instinct of wanting to belong to a group and have an affinity with other gamers. Unfortunately, all of the negatives we highlighted above - stagnant catalogues, low reward for big money spends, tedious surveys - means that the name may be considered in a poor light. It's a brand with history - in the form of third-party magazines in the '90s, particularly - but our instinct is that it'll be ditched.
Overall, we don't think the upcoming end of Club Nintendo should be something to mourn. It was far from perfect and - thanks to its out-dated approach and design - was ignored by many; these factors make its demise inevitable. It's a time for optimism, we'd suggest - Nintendo has talked the talk in terms of rewarding loyalty and enticing consumers in smart ways, and it has occasionally done so in some promotions, but now it has a chance to walk the walk.
We'll be seriously disappointed if the big N produces a re-skin and tweak to the Club Nintendo formula. It has a chance to utilise its own Nintendo Network and hardware to deliver a programme far grander, smarter and enticing. For dedicated fans, there's optimism that loyalty will soon be rewarded in greater ways; that'll benefit both us - the gamers - and Nintendo itself.
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I have the super mario galaxy c it came with the wii a few years ago.
Giving free games like Sony and MS do? Hell that would be awesome but Nintendo is not that kind of company.
I liked Nintendo's rewards heck even competitions to win Nintendo items such as games and accessories.
I won a Nintendo free game Nintendo last year it was delivered this year in January.
I've even collected items from Nintendo's Star Catalogue Caps, Folders, not many things.
I Never opened the Folders and Never will.
Its an unfortunate situation. a combination of scalpers and mass protests of elite gifts..What I see happening is a revival of sorts of the DDP .. this move of closure is inline with Iwata said about offering consumers more discounts etc..Its all related
I don't really mind the surveys, but they need to be more streamlined and faster. Whatever they do here, it needs to be highly competitive to stand against subscription and rewards programs from MS and Sony, and there should be an accessible app for the program for phones, the 3DS, and Wii U.
I'd like to see a return to physical rewards, as well as robust digital rewards--so long as it includes more than just 1st party Nintendo stuff.
As much as it was confusing, I see Nintendo implementing an Xbox Rewards style program where the more you buy/do, the more you save/earn (but only if you continue to buy/do). Digital Deluxe could be integrated into it, but the advantage of the Xbox Rewards was that you could earn MS points for doing things other than gaming such as surveys, using an app, buying movies, etc.
@Darknyht
Unlocking achievements. It's the one thing the XBO has that I'd like to see implemented into the PS4.
I also hope this new program is an indication towards a better and more robust profile/account system.
I'm just worried that they will turn club nintendo into something that only rewards digital purchases i.e.deluxe digital promotion. I never buy digital retail games and it would be annoying if any future stars i would've got will now go unrewarded because they're not digital D:
@MolluscMan
I don't think they'd go "digital only." Seems like an uncharacteristically bad way to shoot yourself in the foot, even for Nintendo.
I doubt they would do anything close to what PS or MS do, but they could at least start with more cross-buy.
I got a lot free games from Club Nintendo that I would have probably purchased otherwise(Pilotwings/Metroid II/Super Mario RPG) I shall miss it.
What I want to know is; are there actually going to be any decent gifts to use my 6600 stars on? I've been holding out for something like the SNES Controller for the Wii but so far there's nothing I would ever want.
Can't say I have high hopes for them getting it right this time, they're notoriously bad with their marketing which is what these incentive systems are, essentially.
Nintendo likes to make moves that seem to be oriented as more anti-marketing than anything, locking down all properties for all time rather than discounting or even giving away even a few ancient games. It's the best marketing you can have.
I got all those games from the Ambassador thing and it was fantastic incentive to get me buying lots of other download titles from a shop I may have otherwise ignored.
As it is now you spend hundreds on games, take a tedious survey for each one and have access to wallpapers, stickers, and a couple ancient games; Usually disappointing stuff for anyone over 10, assuming you're willing to jump through the countless hoops to get that far.
You mention surveys as if they were nothing but an nuisance. Did people disliked them that much? I mean, they took at most a minute to fill, and they gave the feeling of having a direct contact with Nintendo. A minute of one's time (or two, including the post-play survey) for extra points one could spent on games or physical items? I don't see much of an issue there.
It seems to me most CN members react as if these past months of duds were the whole experience with the program. Yes, lately it's been devoid of interesting physical rewards (because of their plans to shut it down, I suppose), but there's been the golden nunchuk, G&W consoles, figures; and the games offered have ranged from solid dsiware titles to N64 classics.
Maybe for once I'm being too positive about the whole thing, but a lot of people online bemoan the CN program as if Nintendo deserved to give us more and better free games. Just take what you can and want from it: it's a loyalty reward program, not a subscription service.
Club Nintendo was never really that good anyways. Every time they actually did come out with something great (like the Smash demo codes) it was only for "select members". Nintendo should really just give everyone fair treatment. I hope they do with this new program. And please put up rewards that are actually worth the hassle of building up points.
Hopefully the new program will be bigger and better. Iwata stated that he wanted to reward the loyal customers. They have taken away the DDP and now CN. I expect big things. I also expect to be dissapointed. I beleive us "loyal" fans should get first dibs on the newest amiibo waves.
Nintendo said they would be offering more and more stuff to redeem with your Club N coins before the shutdown. Im just praying they make those final offers awesome for people that have been loyal so we can happily empty those coin wallets.
@CharleSketch I think it is more that Nintendo of Japan makes moves that makes sense in it's own territory. Nintendo of America and to an extent Nintendo of Europe is either restricted or unable to do the same in their own territory.
It is like the insane rules that Nintendo had for indie developers. It may make sense in Japan, but elsewhere it was just culturally insensitive.
I actually enjoyed Club Nintendo's reward system when I first bought my 3DS because I was getting games I never played. Over time the selections became repetitive and not worthwhile.
Sony's PS+ rewards structure is amazing, especially the monthly freebies, however the Wii U doesn't have enough games for this to be feasible. Sony's reward system succeeds because of the vast catalog of PS1-PS4, Vita, and PSP games. If Nintendo was to start spewing out new virtual console games (GameCube, N64) they could possibly achieve something similar to what Sony has in place.
I wouldn't mind primarily offering digital rewards, as long as they give some more variety in what they offer.
@Ren :Spot on. I no longer have any hope Nintendo may implement an account based system. When have they got anything right the last few years? I expect another Club Nintendo redux with even more surveys at the end of the day.
Hopefully they'll extend the new loyalty program to Scandinavia! I know Club Nintendo wasn't the biggest deal, but it would be nice to not be left out.
We'll see what the future holds for us. It would be wonderful if we had a unified rewards system that stretched globally and distributed the same items to everyone, rather than limiting items to certain countries.
@NbaJunkie I was pretty mad about the elite rewards as well but after further investigation I have found that Nintendo is giving away elite rewards for 2015. However, you do have to obtain elite status by the end of March. The elite rewards will be available between April 1-30.
Let's just hope that they offer some physical elite rewards this year.
Please no surveys. Those led to the abomination that was Sticker Star (with exception of the soundtrack). That alone is reason enough to get rid of them.
I would love some really good discounts based on how many games/systems you already own, the true Nintendo fans/spenders would be getting crazy discounts! It would get me to buy games like Captain Toad and Mario Maker, which aren't top of my list (Xenoblade, Zelda and Splatoon come first).
It would be true Nintendo-style, though, if they would announce crossbuy as part of the new rewards system.
@Captain_Gonru @Quorthon - There really needs to be a smart device "app", and whatever you want to call those tiles on Wii U and 3DS. I know both systems have a web browser but it would be nice to just click on something and be logged in to fill out surveys, order prizes, register games etc.
Really interested to see what they do about "family" accounts. Everybody is always taking about how easy it is to link a Wii U to a Nintendo Network ID on a 3DS, but what happens when 4 people in 1 household have 4 different 3DS systems but only 1 Wii U? And kids can't have their own Club Nintnedo account, you need to be 12 or 13 or something. I know, my wife set up an account b/c when my kids each received a copy of the same game - which happens a lot on 3DS - we could only register 1 copy on Club Nitnnedo.
So hopefully they figure something out. If it means no family account everybody gets their own based on their NNID, fine as long as its fair and spelled out. Of course it seems fair to me as the Wii U is mine, not sure how my kids will feel about it
@jjmesa16 It is going to be digital titles according to the club nintendo FAQ.
This is an opportune moment to tie everything account based to one central ID that covers all your hardware and software and be wholey owned by the consumer. A grand reset of their online sales strategy to let the consumer, not the hardware, actually own the software, to reward repeat customers and brand loyalty and provide incentives for repeat sales and promotion.
Club Nintendo was one of the most awesome rewards programs ever. Discounts would be ok, but I'd prefer more free games and merch more.
I'm hoping for something like DDP that saves us money for downloading games plus offering discounts or other rewards for being loyal customers. Also, anyone bad mouthing surveys is a dolt. Yes, they are generic and if the next service has them they should be tailored for each game but it's not like they are time consuming and they give loyal customers, who Nintendo actually wants to hear from, the chance to voice their opinion.
I have 6000+ stars on my Club Nintendo (that I've been saving up over a long time for like say, a statue, like the Luigi's Mansion 2 one, which was really well made), I'm assuming these won't be transferable to the New system that's launched in replacement, but come on Nintendo, for Majora's Mask release, at least put some new stuff up in Club Nintendo Europe (there hasn't really been anything noteworthy recently—golfballs, even as a golfer I say no thanks—pin badges, too pricy for what they give, only really the T-shirt is good, but even then there have been better ones). Anyways, like everyone else has said, I do hope this new system leads to account based, as then I will have more assurance with buying Nintendo products digital.
I do not want a monthly subscription service by Nintendo. It may be good value and all but I do not want Nintendo to follow the path of other companies. But in the end I am sure Nintendo will have to change and change to remain a viable company.
@rjejr
I have a feeling that this will almost have to come with a massive update to the account/profile system--which is something I think is long overdue.
I didn't mind club Nintendo since it was free... However I never went out of my way to get club Nintendo coins so it failed at its purpose
@Ninty4thewin
Well, Game and Watch: Ball is actually pretty amazing when you think about it. They had to remanufacture those handhelds and produce them for such a small audience. I'm glad I got one while they were there. I also snagged the two DS Game & Watch Collection games.
How about exclusive 3DS home themes as rewards. Cheap yet alluring at the same time
One of the best North American rewards was the smash posters. Worth those 700 coins
@Barely_Able LAME!!! I guess its better than nothing though. smh
It is sad to see it go. Maybe, Nintendo will do something better than Club Nintendo.
I reckon it will be more focused on eShop credit or most likely credit on the official store site.
I dont mind surveys if they are short (5 questions or less) I think its the only way we have to directly communicate our own personal opinion to Nintendo and actually be listened. The only thing I really want from the new rewards programme is to be able to recieve physical rewards in Mexico and Latin America, where I currently live, and that it continues offering free digital games.
Nintendo could finally enter the 21st century and create proper users' accounts.
@JasonAnArgoNOT64 In the first place, I don't understand why they charge for those themes. That's too greedy.
@Ninty4thewin
Still had to be remanufactured. I wonder if they still had the original molds for the plastic shell, and if they just had a surplus of old LCD screens laying around a factory somewhere.
Several years ago, Mattel released some commemorative, collector's edition He-Man figures as some kind of anniversary set. The old molds of the figures had long been destroyed, and the guys behind the commemorative He-Man re-releases literally bought old figures online and used them to make new molds for the figures.
Nintendo hasn't released, or at least widely released Game & Watch handhelds in ages, so there's some factory use in order to make the Club Nintendo versions. Also, they had a custom-back with the Club Nintendo logo stamped into it.
@VanillaLake
Well, to be fair, they don't take zero time to make. Someone had to craft those themes and Nintendo has to pay to host the servers that sell them. Themes and the like are also sold for money on Playstation and Xbox platforms.
@Quorthon I Hope not because that would be a Big Fail in my Opinion. I also hope this new loyalty service has a more sleek and easy to use Website. Not saying Club Nintendo was hard to navigate or anything but i mean a more modern look.
@Ninty4thewin Problem is 30% off is about the normal price from e.g cdkeys.com
@VanillaLake
It's because nintendo Is a business. I don't blame them for charging money but I'd rather prefer the prides being halved instead as a more fair value.
But overall $2 is not a big deal
@VanillaLake
It takes money to make it. Just like everything
Hopefully, Nintendo's next "rewards/club/incentive/etc" program has faster website.
It's like dial-up days on Club NoA.
@Quorthon - Is it OK if I cross my fingers for cloud saves? I'd be willing to pay $5 per year like the "Pokebank". I've lost game saves twice - faulty Wii U I returned or repair, and an external HDD enclosure failure - so I'm kind of paranoid now. Or at the very least let us back up a save without having to back up the entire 10GB game folder.
@Nintenjoe64 I've always gone for Wii points instead of physical items. Maybe you could grab the last wiiware/ vc games you need? I just grabbed retro city rampage with mine!
"we're fans of the PlayStation Plus model"
Yay, paying extra for online acces to a company that's not your ISP!
@Wouwter
You guys need to stop blindly failing to understand why a PSN+ or XBL Gold system are worth paying for.
On just the simplest notion, players get huge discounts on tons of games, and tons of other games for extremely cheap. The "free" games on PSN+, for instance, translates to me getting 2~6 games a month for the equivalent of $1 a piece (essentially a $5 monthly fee). On top of this, this money goes towards supporting a great many hefty servers to support the online games and bandwidth.
You've responded in obvious ignorance of what it is you're criticizing. My girlfriend pays for Xbox Live Gold and I have PSN+, and we love both of ours services. Also, we only need one account for us to play games online on both the Xbox One and the PS4. She doesn't need to pay for a PSN+ account, and I don't need to pay for Xbox Live.
I also can't help but wonder if you paid for the Pokemon Bank.
@GaymerPlayer5
Sorry, but what are you responding to as a "big fail?" I have kind of a lot of posts in here as "reforming Club Nintendo" has been a major gripe of mine for a long time.
Though Club Nintendo is a cool concept, the prices of the games and the limited selection make me partly relieved to see it go, but only if the next program is better. It will be very interesting to see what Nintendo has up their sleeve.
@rjejr
Man, that would be a nice solution to the limited storage space on the Wii U. What was your HDD? Mine is... crap I forget the specifics. It was noted by IGN at one point to power down automatically when the Wii U is off, which is why I picked it up. I think it's an Iomega, 1 TB.
Does this mean no CD or Mewtwo? I already ordered the soundtrack and it said it would be shipped...
EDIT: Nevermind, it's not getting closed until June.
I like the current model although the lack of physical rewards was annoying. I understand the breakdown for xbox live and psn but I still don't feel that is a "loyalty program". Nintendo gave games and physical items that a consumer would not have been able to have access to or for free just for buying games as a normal customer and filling out surveys. If they move to a subscription program, despite the perks of that program I doubt I'll participate as much as I did Club Nintendo. I do however wish Nintendo would offer a retail loyalty program though. Just so people would get hype about their software. Sony and MS give away tons of software to retail managers and that keeps them talking about it. Nintendo? Not so much. Which is why I'm always the most Nintendo Hyped person at my store.
I just hope the follow-up is still a way for me get rewards and not a way to make me pay to play games online. I don't care about discounts and free borrowed digital games, I just want to play online for free. PS4 & Xbox One mean I'll never play a game online on Sony or MS consoles ever again.
I always like website where you collect points when purchasing to get some cool stuff, and Club Nintendo did just that. Instead of shutting it down, they should've just modernized it.
@Ryu_Niiyama
MS and Sony have loyalty programs that intertwine with their subscription services. Microsoft's is actually pretty impressive.
@Quorthon - Wouldn't help w/ the storage issue, the saves themselves are too small, I just want to be able to easily back them up and not worry about losing all my progress.
My external HD was an HP MyBook. It was way old, 6 or 8 years maybe, and I was afraid it might croak, and it did. Flashing, smoking stinky burning up in flames croakd. Well no actual flames, but burnt enough. HDD was somehow fine though, picked up a new enclosure for about $12 and it's working fine. For now. It's the "for now" part that I lose sleep over. My PS3 HDD had error issues last week, had to reformat that. Fortunately I had all my game saves backed up to a thumbdrive, had been copying them over to my new bedroom PS3, but I lost about 400GB worth of games I need to re-download. PS+ was very generous the past few years.
Oh, my. Such high hopes here.
@Quorthon I know how they both work but the intertwine part is what I have a problem with. For me I will always view both and MS in particular for the original reason they have a subscription in the first place. Online play. I don't use that half as much as I feel is required to justify the expense and any addons like games with gold doesn't detract that feeling for me. I know for others that were already going to get the service with or without the perks it is an great way to get games and play more. Even with the retail employee loyalty sites which drop the prices of the subs, I'm still reminded that I barely play online. So even paying less I still feel like I'm paying too much.
I suppose I accept club Nintendo the same way others do PSNplus or xbox live gold. I was going to buy the Nintendo games anyway...ooh look free stuff! Which is why I've never understood why people try to do a currency exchange to figure out how much something "cost" on club Nintendo. Example: Oh this shirt was 700 dollars because it was 700 coins (i think the coins are often close to 1 to 1 if you compared coin value to dollars).
@Quorthon It is indeed. Unfortunately XBL Gold doesn't offer the same kind of value in terms of discounts and free games like PS+, but the rewards program is definitely way better than Sonys'.
I won't miss CN much, less so than DDP. I hope whatever is next won't be significantly worse than either, that's pretty much it. Nintendo is good at making games, not at marketing them or creating ecosystems. For all the talk about their "loyal costumers" remarkably little ever happened to that end.
There were some pleasant suprises over the years, like getting $30 for FE and SMTIV, but overall it was rather disappointing. Each months one would hope for something to spend those hard earned coins on, only to be disappointed 9 out of 10 times.
If you have service like this in place, it should act as a positive reinforcement on the consumer. Buy something, get rewarded. CN only rarely achieved that simple and basic goal. I'm surprised they kept it on as long as they did ....
It can only get better .... one would think at least, but with Nintendo you never know I doubt the overall value will go beyond the previous CN + DPP, which would be a real shame, considering no one was blown away by those anyways.
@Quorthon I was referring to what MolluscMan was saying to you that only registering Download titles will get points and not registering physical titles, and that would be a huge fail which i agree with you. My bad i should have worded it better.
@Ryu_Niiyama
In what way do they interwine? You got your Sony rewards, and your PS+, and you got your Microsoft rewards, and your Xbox Live Gold.
@Quorthon I know the value of what you're getting and I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of it. I just don't like a lot of parts of this subscription service, the paying for online is one. Not being able to acces any of the "free" games you "have" after you stop your subscription is another point (it locks you into that platform and into the subscription imo). I don't think it's something Nintendo should pursue.
Edit: I did not pay for Pokémon bank by the way, I don't like that either. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, Nintendo is not without faults.
I liked it for the most part. I mean those post cards have to go. The 3 t shirts were ok the large one was a little short. Back when they had the calenders, I put them on the refrigerator. I never opened the Zelda poster. I got most of the N64 for games for the Wii. I own most all the games that were offered and would not touch the obscure ones. The surveys weren't that annoying, but they could have shortened them. I still use that Pikmin tote for my sun tan lotion, sun block and stuff I use for the beach. I still have a generic Wii controller holder which still holds them. I even patched a Kirby on my army bag for my Mac and got made fun of. ( I still have that too and love it), I still haven't played DKC for 3ds but I got that. (To many GBs )I will miss you Club Nintendo.
As long as it stays free, I'm totes fine with it.
I hope for more of the buy x amount of recent games get another recent game free type promotions. Thing about those is I would end up with something I wouldn't be willing to buy but if I did happen to buy it then I would buy the next entry.
I have 555 coins, & 4-5 post play surveys comming up. The only things I have from club Nintendo are the Link between Worlds poster set. I recently ordered the Smash posters as well
@Quorthon That's true but we pay enough money for 3DS games (€45 each) and they use existing material (art, music) to create them.
@JasonAnArgoNOT64 Same thing that I said to Quorthon. I think they should be free or a reward when you buy the game (for example, when you buy A Link Between Worlds you get that theme for free). I think (not sure) that's what happens with some themes like Metal Gear Solid 3D and Sonic Boom.
I downloaded a lot first party games with Club Nintendo codes. I will miss it. I will download a lot VC and Wiiware for get many more coins.
Hopefully they put some good stuff up there for the remaining 1000+ coins I have. I already have half the stuff they put up every month.
Its awful!!! Pikmin keyrings or ds game cases...?... Anyone????!! .... Anyone???!!!.. No, I didnt think so!!!! Nothing good to buy after years of collecting... No incentive to add points any more. Had a look last week and thought I'd just swap my substantial accumulated points for a few 1000 points cards to download games.... I couldn't as the only points card you can purchase are (baffilingly) only for (the obsolete) Wii Virtual Console and not the Wii U eshop!??!! Rubbish!
Well bummer!
@minotaurgamer If Nintendo were that kind of company we would all be subscribed to and paying for the Nintendo Network and receiving monthly "freebies" for our patronage. Nintendo has mentioned time and again that they don't want to do that, and I am okay with that. At the end of my PSN subscription I will have nothing because I'm not paying anymore. Nintendo's promotions on the other hand I can continue to enjoy my rewards far after I have redeemed them.
Had just ordered both 3DS game cases and still have 1300 points, with at least 2,500 more in unused codes in games on my shelf. I don't have the patience to do all those surveys, but I will probably at least register a few biggies, to to go out with a bang.
And, it was time for a change. The website was super slow, the rewards were questionable, and it stood in the way of unified accounts. Nintendo will need a way of tracking our digital purchases, and they know this, so I'm halfway expecting NNID to go net-based with rewards tied to consumer purchase loyalty. At the very least, we should get a competent reward system in place. I quite like the idea of "the more you buy the more you save" which is essentially what Nintendo announced beforehand...
Hate to break it to you people, but let's be realistic here: the new loyalty program will be almost all digital. You're in denial if you think otherwise.
The new program will likely be unified with the NNID (Club Nintendo's closure, the increase in promotions on the eShop, and MvDK Tipping Stars having cross-buy point towards this). I think Nintendo is FINALLY making the final steps towards a true, universal account system. Only other thing they'd have to do is untie the NNIDs from the hardware.
Also, the new loyalty program will likely do away with the surveys. Let's be honest, how many of you actually answered all of the questions truthfully and thoroughly? We all know that answers were copy + pasted. I think Nintendo is figuring that they don't really get any worthwhile info from these surveys, which is true.
Will make a second post on what the new loyalty program might offer instead of having one long essay comment.
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Oh wait...
I'm still mad. This is a horrible time for them to close. Now I'm gonna miss out on the new rewards from Club Nintendo because I don't have Coins saved up, and I can't get any because I'm saving for a New 3DS.
I didn't have too much of a problem with the surveys, they could easily be done in less than a minute if you already knew your most basic answers off by heart. Yeah, the rewards were never that great but it was nice to own a few of the special items they had on there, like the Classic SNES controller. In fact I've been hoping they'd re-add it to the catalogue but I doubt it'll happen now.
Cont.
Things they might offer:
-3DS themes
-Free digital games (VC, indie, etc)
-Major discounts like Iwata described
-Special deals like the Mewtwo DLC
-Other digital goodies and offers
Physical rewards would probably just be things like posters, soundtrack CDs/download codes, and other things like that. Hanafuda cards would be a good idea too.
Regardless, the loyalty program will be mostly digital and will likely have a focus on flexible pricing and free games.
Oh, and by the way, if Nintendo did adopt a paid subscription service like PS+, they would NEVER be able to justify it being required for online multiplayer. Sony and MS are able to justify it as the majority of the games on their platforms have heavy online focus and therefore would need the funds to maintain servers and the online structure (especially for Sony after the major PSN outage in 2011). Nintendo has only a handful of games that even have online in the first place - making people pay $50 a year to play Smash, Kart, Pokemon, and Splatoon online would be suicide. That's why Nintendo's online is free.
Anyone else (about 4-5 years ago) ever got a large box in the mail from nintendo, that had a wii remote, plus adaptor, Wii Party game and a pizza hut gift card for $40??? I did, it even came packaged nicely with a picture that said 'Thanks for being a loyal fan". I didn't know if this was due to spending a lot of money on the Wii Stores, or what? Just asking if anyone else got this in the US or anywhere else.
It's still a shame that Club Nintendo is ending and I really hope they offer a better thing to their fans that could give better exclusive merchandise. I always remember seeing new rewards and not having enough coins...when I finally did get enough coins, that item was sold out (for good), or gone from the store.
The only thing I ever got after years of being a member was that Yoshi plush, lol. While I do have hopes for their new replacement idea, it's still a bit of a shame that some of my stars will go to waste :/
Gutted when I missed out on the luigi's mansion diorama.... got a yoshi plush and currently have about 7,000 stars hoarded up - think I'll wait close to the programme ends unless something tasty related to majoras mask appears
I would pay $20 annually for a PS+ like experience, i.e. free games, discounts, and other worthwhile incentives. I'm having trouble swallowing $50 for PS+ but I'd definitely bite @ $20
Hoping one of the rewards is an exclusive amiibo!
I was telling my son I think Nintendo, with what they have done with the Wii U and the 3DS are working on developing some kind of home system that is also portable. I suspect it will be some kind of 3DS XL that can doc into a home game pad station. Since the WII U we see how they are trying to bring both platforms to similar GUI's and user experience, as well as launching similar titles. The only down side to a system like this would mean that the portable system would have to be limited in the games it could play while detached, and you would have to have substantial storage space if a disc based game was to be played on the hand held (also means Nintendo would have to allow you to rip your disks to your system.
I really think this is where they are headed towards, but maybe it's too complicated to engineer.
How anyone thinks fifty dollars a year is too much for a online service is beyond me.I guess if you only purchased two or three games a year I could understand that.I pay forty bucks a month for car insurance for crying out loud.
I will miss club nintendo, I did manage to get some pretty cool rewards from it (best ones being a green zelda case and a giant AR card). I hope their new programme is even better.
Also I found that their surveys were justifyed as they would have been a good source of market research assuming they actually use the data.
Please tell me that I am not the only one who actually truthfully answered all the survey questions?
The shut down of Club Nintendo means nothing to me as we've never had it here in Finland anyway. So, no loss here. I just hope that the new system is available to everyone in all territories equally. Get it sorted out Big N.
Seeing the despicable kinds of people who barely buy any games outside of special offerings or sales basically wait even on their most-wanted titles, I think premium subscriptions are the worst option Nintendo could strive for.
Conditional promotions are much more appropriate, since they ensure that stingy lurkers get what they deserve (basically nothing), while actual loyal customers receive promotions that probably have a good chance fitting their general interests.
@Superryanworld The Approach Sony/M$ do with their latest devices is a blatant rip-off since it's mandatory for online play, yet neither company loses a cent through since "their" servers are paid by developers/publishers, so they cash in twice for the same "service" without ever offering more than basic online quality, and by flat-out lying to consumers about the reason online is subscription-based.
The approach for PS3 was much more favourable, seeing how it basically was a premium service, nothing more.
I really liked the magazine Nintendo Power. I thought that gave a lot of incentive to join Club Nintendo. It was a nice magazine, and I don't know why they discontinued it.
@Miigato I think a hybrid, while inevitable, would be too expensive right now. For next gen they'll still be separate, but they'll be taking steps in that direction by having the same/similar architecture and a unified OS like Android/iOS. The following generation is when a true hybrid can be expected. I could be wrong on this though.
@IceClimbers But you get the idea right. Don't you think this is where Nintendo is heading? From all that I have been seeing, it seems that they are trying to get to this stage, and perfect it before any of their competitors can. Sony has the PSP, but I am not really sure just how well that is selling or how well it's integrated into the playstation. Xbox isn't even trying to touch hand held gaming.
I dont think they should be closing club nintendo but rather expand it and make it fully inclusive. I've built up a ridiculous amount of club vip and club nintendo points over the years.
Off the top of my head i've gotten the luigi's mansion diorama, the snes pad, the year of luigi coin, yoshi cleaning cloth, 3ds game case, as well as the rpg coin set, the smash cd that we will be getting, a truck load of wii download coads and some other bits I cant remember. I'll probably use the last of them to get that game and watch i've been hovering over the last few years if nothing else turns up by the time it closes.
I think the fact that both regions are closing suggests theres going to be something all encompassing and probably tied to the consoles, which i'm not against but I did like my club nintendo freebies so it'll be sad to see them go
My biggest issue with this new system is how exactly will nintendo offer discounts on physical goods sold at places like Gamestop? Are they going to give us a printable coupon? Or is this service going to focus more on the digital formats of games, of which I will never spend more than $15 on, as I don't believe in paying more for a game I don't really own.
I fail to see how a subscription-based service would be a Loyalty Rewards program like some suggest. I mean, how 'loyal' do you have to be to Sony to get PS+? All you need is one PS console and a PS+ coupon.
@Jmaster True though I'd imagine if Nintendo did a subscription-based service, it would be more like the combination of Xbox Live and Xbox Live Rewards. There are many ways to earn credits (which then get automatically converted twice a month into £/$), some examples:
*Your Gamerscore affects how many credits you get, also you get a star rating (which adds another % rebate on) dependent on how much you spend on the Xbox Live Marketplace.
I see (hope for) good things from the next program, because unlike the majority of you, I was pleased with what I got from Club Nintendo! My Platinum gifts were all great, bar last years; I got some great downloadable games, hanafuda cards, a gold nunchuck, shirts, 3DS card cases, CDs... Plus I know I'm forgetting stuff! Basically I got some pretty great Nintendo-themed loot out of it, and every year (until this one, sadly) I'd also go on eBay and get the Gold calendar for my desk.
I filled out the surveys truthfully as well, so... there's at least one other person, @rayquaza_master.
I'm very sad to see Club Nintendo go. That said they are definitely more of the past than the future. I think Nintendo can do great things. I'm hoping for cross-buy and a link with the NNID. I see a better handle on family accounts is requested. I'm also hoping they don't erase the database of our registered games and start at zero. And I'd like a name that's just as friendly as "Club Nintendo" was.
Maybe a silly question, I dont owe a wii (only wiiU). Can i use those wii-shop cards to buy games in the wii menu? Also, do need to run the wii menu in order to run VC games bought in the wii shop? Thats pretty much the only use for those starpoints (iḿ from europe, netherlands). I really think the rewards in the shop are all crappy. I really just want games....
@Reusinck Yes, yes and hallo mede-Nederlander!
To any german people on here:
Are you guys able to log in at Nintendo.de ?
I wanted to redeem the last few stars i have on that account (and do we have this coin thingy ? never heard of that) but the log in dialog doesnt let me log in.
I type in my email and password, hit log in and...well, nithing happens
@Jmaster
dankje! Dat wordt VC's binnenharken! To bad itś within the wii menu as opposed to the regular wiiU menu,,,
I just hope it comes quicker than TVii. Any younguns out there might not remeber it, but back in the day I was quite interested to see this new Nintendo service.
Seriously though fingers crossed for a modern and hopefully quickly launched service.
If Nintendo are going to go down the route of tiered pricing based on past purchases, I hope that it take past Club Nintendo activity into account. I have been using Club Nintendo since 2002 and I would hate for all of that loyalty to count for nothing in a new system.
Flexible price points do sound awesome.
I'm not so sure about the "inviting friends" thing when it doesn't just simply mean "recruit someone to get his first or return to Nintendo home console(s), handheld(s) or visiting the eShop". Internet communities could easily make this a "get something for doing some paperwork" instead since you could always say you made someone buy something while his mind was set up long ago.
I just hope it won't be something like "get points for xx mentions of #nintendo in your twitter posts" or "write yyy Miiverse posts to get z points". These ain't beneficial to having good conversations imo.
I don't think they are letting you register any more games because I bought Lufia last week and it is not showing up. You can also take a look at the "earn coins button" . It is no longer there.
@Einherjar
It happened exactly here in Nintendo Italy yesterday. Nothing happens when you hit the login button. Probably a lot of people trying to login and register their codes. I was able to login last night but was too sleepy so I registered my remaining games at 3am.
Also the coin thingy is the Stars-equivalent in the US Club Nintendo.
I won't be sad to see it go, the UK site was horrendously ugly and clunky compared to the lovely US site.
I was interested in saving up stars for while after I got a Wii U but half the time I had trouble signing in to my account, and I lost interest pretty quickly
They didn't ship anything outside North America and Europe, it was crappy anyway.
@VanillaLake
Now, I'm all for the idea of getting themes with games when you buy them, but I have nothing against separate ones that are paid.
We need to get over this "internet age" idea that everything should be free all the time (not your point, but you get the idea), and face the fact that if we want better things, then we need to pay money for other things. None of us would do our jobs for free, so why do we keep expecting game developers to do theirs for free?
That's an unearned sense of entitlement in the consumer.
@Kaze_Memaryu
Those paid services are not a rip-off. Perhaps from the perspective of a Nintendo-only owner, they may seem to be, but then, Nintendo has almost no online games and an online infrastructure from 2005.
Microsoft and Sony are offering more than just cheap games, "free" games, and other "free" content. These services also pay for things like beta access to some games and of course, supporting a massive online infrastructure including servers and security, and every time some loser in his mom's basement wants to toss out a DDOS attack, where do you think Sony and MS get the money to repair that damage?
Those services are definitely not a rip-off, good sir. They pay for and cover a lot of things, and they also give third parties more confidence in the platforms themselves. Yes, it feels a tad shady in that you lose the "free" games you get from them if you let the subscription expire, but let's keep in mind how disastrous it would be to a company's bottom line to just give away this many games away for "free" willy-nilly. No one would make any money. On top of that, Nintendo is the only one of these companies to not offer much of anything in the way of cloud saving, outside of the Pokemon Bank, and Nintendo fans had no problem paying for that. That was one service that cost as much as PSN+ or XBL Gold, and it covered only one franchise.
I do, however, also like your incentive concept of rewarding those players who buy new or within a time-frame. I am frequently annoyed by seeing players excited or interested in a game who will only ever buy it when its suddenly dirt cheap. I can understand doing this once in a while, but if we, as gamers, aren't supporting the industry we claim to love, then how is it ever to grow or improve, or even maintain steady income?
I would be totally fine with an incentive system that worked like Club Nintendo, but gradually lost value. Say, buy a game new, get 100 points (or whatever), but every month you wait on it, it drops by 20 points until it bottoms out at, say, 5 or 10 as a permanent point value. I try to buy as many games new and for full price as possible because I give a crap about this industry and love giving support where it is due.
@Superryanworld
An online service and 24~72 games per year, depending on your platforms and subscriptions. I currently get about 6 games a month from Sony, for the equivalent of $5 a month, and loads of other freebies and discounts.
@IceClimbers
I don't think Nintendo's platforms will still be separate for the next generation, nor would essentially combining them be too expensive. After all, the PSP and PS3 shared menu systems and designs. The Vita and PS4 are very different in menu design, but similar in concept. The PSP and Vita could both communicate and stream from the PS3, and the Vita can from the PS4. Nintendo has also already merged the two sides of hardware development in-house, why they weren't before is baffling to me as the Wii U team could've learned a lot from the 3DS team, notably on how backwards compatibility should work.
It's safe to say, they are already working on this very concept.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/184881/Nintendo_is_merging_its_handheld_and_console_divisions_next_month.php
@IceClimbers
I'm happy to see someone else understands part of why PSN+ and XBL Gold are paid for online. And I forgot to add a few posts back that both of these companies also host their own MMO--style games and free-to-play online titles like Warframe and Blacklight Retribution. I was really terrible at the airplane one.
I like the club Nintendo. It was free games for real, not the ripoff pay us a monthly fee and well through you a bone Sony/ms way but it certainly brainwashed its followers.
My issue with Club Nintendo in the US is that we rarely had great physical gifts in stock such as a 3DS XL Charging Cradle or the Luigi's Mansion statue. That stuff was gone in minutes. We got the free digital games, but if you're a dedicated enough Nintendo fan, you had the game already, and if you wanted to play it on the Wii U, it was even more of an inconvenience. For example, this month Super Metroid is one of the games. That was a day 1 buy when it came out on the Wii's Virtual Console years ago. Let's say you somehow missed it. You can use your 250 coins to get Super Metroid for free, but it downloads the Wii version, and then you need to pay an additional $1.50 for the ability to play it on the Wii U Game Pad. In typical Nintendo fashion, it ends up over-complicating things. I hope they come back with a program where if you spend a certain amount on physical and digital products, you can become a Club Nintendo member and receive say a 5% discount on digital purchases. If you reach another level of spending, then maybe you become a Club Nintendo Elite Member and you get a 10% discount. In short, if I spend a lot on Nintendo, I want to receive discounts on new stuff that I don't have rather than digging through the rewards and thinking, "Well I have The Legend of Zelda on the Wii U Virtual Console, but I don't have it on the 3DS."
Actually using up all the points I had been saving to use after the start of the next CN year. Hopefully they put up enough for me to spend my coins on! With the new rewards plan, I would love to see a way where we can use our coins (or whatever the point system is) towards e-shop $. With CN you had to get whatever games they had up...if you didn't like the game, oh well looks like you are waiting until next month. It'd be nice to put them towards ANY game we want, or at least get a discount on it.
@dumedum
And you've been brainwashed by ignorance. You clearly are unaware of what it is you're attempting to demonize, what they offer, what they cost, and what they pay for. There are always valid criticisms, but not in your post.
Here's a question: Did you pay for Pokemon Bank? What are your thoughts on that?
@Quorthon Yes, and I think music and films makers have those rights too. I don't expect to play music and games for free. Thing is, I've been buying Nintendo games all my life (some of them several times) and I think I deserve those themes for free. At the end of the day, they are very easy to create and are made just to digitally customise the system. However, I know a lot of people would pay for them.
@Captain_Gonru - "I've registered multiple copies of the same game a couple times with no issue."
The only reason my wife even has an account is b/c of trying to register multiple copies of MK7, Kid Icarus and NSMB2. Maybe they changed it after that, but I know it wouldn't let me a few years ago.
And the #1 reason why I like console games over handhelds is... well the big screen tv, but #2 is buying 1 copy of a game rather than 2 or 3 for multiplayer. Wii U 2 should allow 4DS to work as 2nd Gamepads in every game, not just SSB5.
@VanillaLake
Hopefully giving out some of those themes for free in the new program is part of it. Like I said, you do get this stuff with games on other systems--like my Alan Wake themes and avatar outfits.
I think we got a little hung up on "free," as I don't think either of us believe these should just be a ton of freebies as eventually, that'd be a money-losing proposition, but that getting them with games, or as rewards for, say, buying and registering games would be ideal.
I've also purchased a ton of Nintendo stuff over the years, and it'd be nice to at least have the option to trade coins for these in Club Nintendo, so I hope they're incorporated in some way with the new program, whatever the hell it turns out to be.
I just hope that the new thingy they launch will be available in my country, unlike club nintendo
@JtotheY I think the biggest disincentive there, though, is offering large discounts to their most likely customers. That really chews up profit margins. They'd have to be modest, and from a business perspective, it makes the most sense to use incentives to introduce customers to new experiences, IPs, or what have you.
@Quorthon The voice of reason! Its refreshing to hear someone that isn't one sided about this topic.I certainly agree with your comments.
When that closed at the end of 2014, however, the question was simple - what's next?
Most likely nothing.
Let's get something straight, the Club Nintendo Point program exists mainly for 1 reason, to discourage people from buying used games. Nintendo has basically decided the return they get (preventing people from buying used games) for the effort they put into the Club Nintendo Point program isn't worth the effort they currently put into it.
Modernize Fan Rewards?
The interpretation a mass majority of other video game companies have on this is to hand out digital rewards that barely cost them anything to give away, if anything.
Makes me wonder what comes next since physical games won't come with a PIN card anymore. So, how are you supposed to register physical games? Smells like Nintendo is going all digital within the next generations. And it is really hard to predict how the new program will be like, but based on Iwata's announcement discounts will be one thing we're getting. It is ok but not that good, since we can always find good deals in stores and around the web.
I fear the same poor quality games they release now will be offered with a yearly subscription. Nothing like paying 60$ for Kersploosh! over and over again.
@Wouwter
I've noted this elsewhere on here, but it would be unrealistic for me to expect you to scour this article for my note on the "pay for online" services, which is something I don't necessarily think Nintendo should do just to play online (more on this in a bit), but have no problem with MS or Sony doing it.
The big difference is that Nintendo has an online infrastructure from 2005, almost no online games, and far smaller games in their digital store, so they're effectively spending very little money supporting that platform.
MS and Sony, on the other hand, require far heftier servers and networks, and because donkeyholes like to occasionally throw DoS attacks their way, they need to have the money to repair that damage. On top of this, both companies (particularly Sony) have free-to-play MMO games on their machines including War Thunder (I think is the name) and Blacklight Retribution. The digital shops for both MS and Sony have been far larger than Nintendo's for a while now, as well, as both the X360 and PS3 had 1000 more games than the Wii.
That monthly online fee is not a rip-off--it pays for a service that requires IT guys, developers, and maintenance people--not to mention the cost of the electricity to power the things.
It's not as simple as "paying to be online." There's a lot that money goes to support. If you don't pay a lot of games online, you don't have to use it, and wisely, you don't need it for stuff like Netflix or downloading games (took MS a while to fix that Netflix bit). But both MS and Sony have done well to add a great deal of value to their paid services. Not to mention, they both host servers for cloud saves of data, which Nintendo does not.
I think Nintendo should try their own subscription version at the very least (but not if it was just for online play), and while I have a lot of criticism towards the company these days, I'm willing to give them a chance to see if what they come up with is worth it. This is a weird company, you know. I'm sure they could come up with something to inject into a paid subscription model that MS and Sony haven't considered.
Also, thanks for actually answering my question on Pokemon Bank. At least you're consistent!
Sorry if this got a little long-winded, but I'm increasingly losing patience with hand-waved dismissals of XBL Gold or PSN+. They cost less than a Netflix subscription, and they offer so much content and reward. Again, optional.
Xbox Live Gold in the early days of the Xbox 360 was much harder to justify, as you literally were paying for mostly just being online, and even had to pay to use Netflix. The biggest plus then was that no one could hold a candle to the solid and popular online infrastructure MS was supporting with those subscriptions.
From what I take from this, basically the eShop would integrate more with what "was" Club Nintendo. I'm still hoping for an eShop app that Nintendo could release to further on this, but all will be revealed in due time...
@Quorthon Eh, my first comment was a bit of an easy dig at the service, without any reasoning or explanation, so I understand your reaction.
I still can't say I agree with you, really.
1) As far as I'm aware (I don't claim to be an expert on this subject) DDoS attacks don't actually damage anything, it's just that the servers aren't able to handle the ridiculous amount of requests sent their way.
2) Free to play games have their own ways of making sure they are profitable (also War Thunder and Blacklight Retribution seem to be on Steam as well, a free service).
3) Digital shops usually don't sell games for less than their physical counterparts, even though there's no need to produce actual discs and ship them across the world. That money saved isn't going to the consumer, it could go to maintaining the servers for the digital shop.
4) I know the servers require maintenance, that doesn't necessarily mean a consumer has to pay (for no game in particular) those costs. Companies profit from selling those games, the payment for online is just a bonus. (For example, again, there are plenty of online games on PC, almost always with free online.)
It is paying to be online. On top of whay you pay your ISP. It makes no sense to me.
Besides that, I think requiring people to pay for online wouldn't be good for Nintendo. Mainly because it seems a lot of parents buy Nintendo systems for their kids, I don't think they would understand such a thing and would see it as a big negative. Maybe some other subscription would work, like a subscription to acces all the Virtual Console games, but even that I'm not a fan of.
The Pokémon bank is a pretty horrible thing as I understand it. Particularly because it is now required to trade Pokémon between different generations of the games (I may be wrong about this, I haven't used it). Something that could be done locally before.
I don't think parents rush to the store to purchase nintendo systems for their kids like they did during the wii/ds generation and before.Many parents are on family phone plans so billy gets a I phone with plenty of free to play games and such.Smartphones and tablets have cut into nintendo's business without a doubt.
@Quorthon calm down. You already made your soby lover (brainwashed) opinion. People are entitled to disagree. Learn to live with it. Not interested in Pokemon personally. Also irrelevant to the fact paid online sux.
@Superryanworld Those games do not compare to what you get on a console. People have been saying even when smartphones came in that it was gonna ruin their profits but nope they are still making profits. Believe me I have played many games on the app stores those are just quick time wasters. I have seen this else where too mostly people that bash Nintendo a lot.
@Superryanworld PS+ and Xbox Live are great but having to pay for online can get expensive especially me. Not to long ago the reason I would buy Xbox Live was to go and play online I have had terrible experiences with that kicking me out of online matches not letting me go online (even though I had a real stable internet connection) it was getting annoying. There would be times that I wouldnt play online for months I feel that I just wasted $50 that I could have used on a game or get myself a pizza meal. Yeah the free games thing is nice but when you decide to opt out of the service they are gone so that sucks. That is why I mostly stick to my PS3 and Wii U with my 3DS for online since I dont have to pay just to go online to play against other players. It may not be a big deal to you but to everybody else like me are not going to spend money just to play online that is one of the reasons I liked Sony because they didnt make you pay but now you do and I am not gonna spend $50 just to go and play online. It adds up over time!
@Nintendobro The ds and the wii far outsold their successors and there is no disputing that.I agree that console games have far more quality put into them but to the average consumer that doesn't pull much weight.I love nintendo but something needs to change.Ive watched all my friends move on from the GameCube and not look back.Many of these friends of mine have families and it's either xbox,playstaion,or a smartphone for their child.Lets not forget the other two systems have the Lego games and sky landers as well.Im not a hater I just want to see nintendo climb back to the top where they belong.
@TheLobster I hadn't thought of that but I also hope they don't erase my database of registered games. I don't know why but I like knowing they have all the Nintendo stuff I've bought registered.
I guess I'm also one of the few that liked Club Nintendo. I liked filling out the surveys because it made me feel like Nintendo cared about my input, and I never found them a chore or extremely time consuming.
I'm looking forward to seeing what games are offered next month. They said dozens so there should be something there that interests me. And I'm looking forward to whatever will replace Club Nintendo. Just as long as it's not a subscription service. that might be good for some, but I don't play online nearly enough to justify paying for it and if they include a bunch of free games every month most likely I wouldn't play them anyway. I barely have time to play the games I buy. Actually I need a holiday to clear out my backlog. I'd rather have free online for the few games I occasionally play online, plus some other completely free rewards or loyalty discounts.
@Superryanworld I understand that but changing to a new management or releasing a new console really quickly isnt gonna turn things around. Plus Its not the people themselves that decide that its the board within the company that has that decision and I am pretty sure they said Iwata is gonna stay. I understand Nintendo is in a tight spot but what I am really concerned about is Nintendo making money. They are making money with the Wii U and 3DS and their games as long as they are making money they will be fine. The most important part in business is making money and if a company isnt making any money then they will be forced to opt out. You could be selling more than your competition but with no profit in return. The virtual boy sold so little but Nintendo managed to swoop in profit. The Gamecube sold less than the competition but still made good profit. Sony and MS last gen have recorded losses with their consoles even though they sold tons of PS3 and 360 consoles. MS lost like $3 Billion last gen with the 360. Now both are making a profit even though it is small.
You make many great points. Iwata has done much for nintendo.This is the man who was responsible for the huge success of the wii and ds.The wii u is a great system and abandoning it would really hurt the nintendo faithful.Im not saying they should copy ms or sony's business model but I do think they should consider what the developers and fans would like to see from them with the next wave of systems.
@Vineleaf That's true. But if those new IP are games like Splatoon, The Wonderful 101, Project Guard etc., I don't mind.
@Quorthon Yes, it looks like we agree. 😉
@Quorthon Okay, no. You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that PS+/XBL Gold are a rip-off, these are just unfair towards the market since they encourage not getting games at full price, regardless of how good it might be.
The rip-off is that you HAVE to use this service to play online games.
When a game is supposed to offer online functions, the developer must contact Sony/M$ and order server space for that. Then, the developer pays the FULL server costs ahead of time (depending on how long they want the servers to be online), and both Sony AND Microsoft claim that they NEED to make online a paid service despite having covered all costs already.
The joke is that no developer can get around this - even when their servers are superior (like Guilty Gear XRD, which has more input lag on PS4 than PS3).
As for DDOS attacks: it's their responsibility to deal with such things, not ours. Making the consumer pay for their problems is quite arrogant, and in no ways justifiable.
Look at it this way: all online-supporting PS3 games offer this online feature for free - because the player already paid for the online aspect through purchasing the game. The price point of PS4 games is even higher, but all of a sudden, servers are supposed to be super-expensive? It's the dumbest lie people could ever fall for.
Now, I am well-aware that some PS3 games had lackluster online performance, but PS4 doesn't even come close to improving that properly, since these servers are NEVER dedicated, meaning they're technically faster, but still way too slow.
@Kaze_Memaryu
Making the consumer pay for the problems may seem unreasonable, but that's how things like this work. Historically, it's been known that prices may go up in retail stores due to shoplifters. But then, any time we're angry at MS or Sony for being attacked, we're angry at the wrong people. Essentially, we're victim-blaming, and yes, I know it sounds bizarre to call a major corporation a victim. But then, if someone hacked into your personal computer and stole all your nude selfies, would you be at fault for taking those pictures in the first place? Hell no. That's your right. But thieves and attackers have no right to take what is yours through force, be it digital or physical.
I'm curious where you found your other point, as I found the exact opposite from Kotaku, at least for Microsoft--developers don't have to pay for servers there. http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones-free-dedicated-servers-should-improve-multip-1446495827
@Wouwter
DDoS attacks cut into sales, damage reputations, and create problems with the company and employees working there. There is human being on the other end of that phone line when you call, all angry that your service is out: http://kotaku.com/we-do-apologize-life-at-sony-customer-service-during-t-1677612560
Yes, free to play games generally make money back in paid add-ons. That doesn't change the fact that they still need servers on which to be hosted.
Your third point is a little unsettling and could cut sharply into profits. Digital should benefit the developer, not screw them over. The whole point is that it is better than dealing with GameStop.
Boiling it down to merely "paying to be online" turns your argument into a strawman--it completely misses the point in order to force a "winning" argument, especially now that these services are very obviously a lot more than just playing online. Again, "free" games, game discounts, "free" digital content (avatar and profile stuff), early access betas, and way, way more streaming and entertainment services, and a more solid online so long as it is not being deliberately attacked by people with no value in their lives.
At the same time, it's $5 a month and no one is forcing you to do it. If you want to play games online for free, there's always PC. You can claim Wii U all you want, but let's face it, there's almost nothing there to play online. Then again, PC over 12 million gamers have long had no problem paying monthly just to play certain MMOs.
At the end of the day, MS and Sony have optional paid online services, tons of online games, and generally high reliability, not accounting for donkeyholes covered in Cheetos grease. Nintendo's online is free and there is almost nothing there using it.
In a perfect world, sure, everything would be free. Just like Star Trek. We could just make more "servers and internet" in the replicator whenever we want. Whatever. In the real world, money has to be spent to create these things, and outside of PCs (hell, even in a lot of PC games), paid services are how this stuff makes money. No matter what, you pay. In free PC games, you pay for add-ons and microtransactions. The one place where you don't pay--Nintendo--has almost nothing to play on there, and no reason to pay anyway.
It's also worth noting that many of you complaining about having to "pay for online" do not appear to be using the services, while those of us paying for them don't seem to have a problem with it. There are always valid complaints, but at the end of the day, PSN+ and Xbox Live Gold are simply seen as "worth it" to those of us who have it. At some point, Nintendo is likely to have to get on this bandwagon (because $$$), and I'm eager to see what they come up with.
There is much, much, much more to this now than just "paying to play online," and you can be unhappy that you have to pay a whole $5 to play online--that's fine--but the knee-jerk reaction of boiling these services down to that one element needs to stop as it is nothing more than baiting an argument, and demonstrably wrong.
@Quorthon It's funny you bring up that Kotaku article (even though it doesn't have any relation to the discussion). While it's stupid of people to yell at customer service people on the phone, it also showed that the people at customer service were poorly informed about what was going on.
“During this flood of calls, the higher-ups didn't explain much to Dan and crew, other than the fact that it was "an attack."”
“Throughout the outage, Sony's customer service agents were in the dark as much as the rest of us, Dan says. They didn't know what Sony was doing, when the servers would be restored, or even how Sony planned to avoid this sort of situation in the future. ”
That PSN money really helps, huh? (Yeah, I'm getting sarcastic now, sorry.)
Of course hosting servers cost money, you don't explain why that would require you to pay extra though?
I disagree about “sharply” cutting into profits, it MIGHT cause them to earn smaller profits. I think it's offset by lowering the cost, not producing and shipping physical products. Either way, they're still making a profit... :/ I have no experience with Gamestop, but that doesn't seem like a compliment at all.
Sure, Sony cleverly offers more than just online. On the other hand, you are required to pay if you just want to play online, even though you've already paid for the games. To reiterate, if you want to make full use of the game you bought, you need to pay extra. And let's not forget a large part of what Sony offers is also offered for free on PC/Steam (online, plenty of discounts, profiles, 'avatars' really?). Renting games (let's just call it what it is, because it's not free) could easily be a service on its own. If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly the way it used to be. (It seems to me requiring it to play online is just to force more people on that service, but that's besides the point.)
The Wii U doesn't have that many games that have an online component, true. But with the games that do, the online runs pretty great. Wii U and PC is indeed the way to go, for more reasons that just free online. About the MMO comment, I see that as another way to pay for the game, not to go online.
At the end of the day, with MS and Sony you pay for something that's free on PC and Nintendo systems. I'm going to ignore most of paragraph following this, I'm not at all saying everything should be free. As I've said before, they can make the money to pay for the servers by selling the games. Online isn't just free on Nintendo platforms, it's free on PC as well (for example Far Cry 4: online on PC is free, PS4 requires PSN).
I'm not arguing the services aren't 'worth it' to people, I'm saying it's just another way for companies to earn more money. Sometimes it seems like people forget we're talking about companies, they exist to make as much money as they can.
@Wouwter
Actually, that article did have to do with the conversation, as you clearly asked what DDoS attacks actually affect. A lot of things, and paying for customer service is one of them.
The sarcastic nonsense following was you deliberately missing the point so that you could interject snark in lieu of understanding. We have no real reason to criticize the communication breakdown (if there was one), or the struggles of the IT guys, or the fact that the DDoS occurred on Christmas where staffing was probably minimal and people likely had to be called away from their families to shore things up.
Stow your snark lest you risk coming off as a fanboy.
If the best you can do is to continuously gripe about having to pay for online, then by all means, play games on PC or Wii U if $5 a month is somehow unjustifiable to you. That's fine, but quit acting like it's some kind of blatant rip-off or that's all it is.
You're also ignoring that those "free" PC games make money in a variety of ways--literally nothing there is totally free. They either make it up with DLC, microtransactions, and add-ons, or with advertisements. There are no advertisements on the PS4, PS3, or Vita, and even the Xbox One seems to have removed them (where the X360 had them and I felt it was wrong to have both ads and a paid service--it should be one or the other, not both). The only pop-ups in Advanced Warfare are from Activision reminding us of the Season Pass, and that's part of the game, not the service.
Yes, these services are a way for companies to make money, but it's not the rip-off many here wish to pretend they are and it's not like the money isn't used to strengthen the services and companies themselves. Personally, I think it's much more of a rip-off for Nintendo to sell plastic toys for $15 that have no dedicated software and which do very little to the software they do work with--and I've long felt Club Nintendo moved from worthwhile service to worthless waste of time that managed to make a free service feel like a rip-off, which is why I champion Club Nintendo going away and this new service, whatever the hell it is. The Amiibos could be sold for the sake of some kind of collectible, if only the quality were up to "typical" Nintendo standards, which is highly questionable.
At the end of the day, the best argument you have is "I don't want to pay $5 for an online service that comes with several free games per month because I can't get past the pay-for-online part as I choose not to understand it."
But let's not brag about Nintendo's "free online" when there's next to nothing there to brag about. If the best you can come up with is "well it's free," then you obviously have to overlook that the paid services elsewhere are absolutely filled with games and a reason to actually pay for them. That's like bragging about having a free bottle of water that's 98% air as opposed to a full bottle of water that costs $1.50. If that $5 a month is what bothers, you about an Xbox or Playstation, then by all means, pony up the one or two grand or so you'll need for a modern gaming PC and play games "for free."
It's a petty argument for a complex industry. Nintendo's online is free. Good for them. Now imagine what it'd be like if there were games to play on there or a robust user online profile system while they're charging next-gen prices for last-gen hardware.
Finally, too many Nintendo fans have enjoyed laughing at MS and Sony for being attacked, but overlook that these petty losers are doing this for attention and to screw with the most people possible. Why didn't they attack the Nintendo Network? Because who would even notice?
Your argument on this hinges entirely on "I don't wanna pay $5 a month to play games online, and MS and Sony are bad for this and Nintendo (and some PC, if I cherry pick and squirm around the word "free") is clearly superior, and I'm going to ignore every other point on this argument except for this one bit because that way I can pretend to be right."
Nintendo's empty online is free, MS and Sony's jam-packed and robust online services are not. You can hold your opinion that you prefer Nintendo's free non-offerings all you want. But don't act like Nintendo is better or superior in any way in this capacity, especially if you refuse to acknowledge the details of the services you are criticizing. Nintendo is still woefully behind the rest of the industry in every aspect of online gaming. The goddamn system doesn't even come with a headset. That's, like, $2 they refuse to pack in with the Wii U.
By the way, paid console subscription services date at least as far back as 1993 with the Sega Channel and Nintendo's own original service, the Sattelaview in Japan. It may well be only a matter of time before Nintendo returns to a paid service.
@Quorthon It's funny that you're accusing me as coming off as a fanboy with that response. Somehow you manage to bring the completely unrelated amiibo and Club Nintendo into the conversation, bash the price of Nintendo hardware and mention the lack of a headset. These topics have nothing to do with what we're discussing and it's pointless to bring them up (and I don't feel the need to respond to them further). I didn't think so before, but now I'm wondering if you are actually a fanboy.
First up, I'm not comparing free to play PC games to other games on PS/Xbox. I'm straight up comparing the same games on PC and PS/Xbox, games that you pay for and then pay extra to be able to use the online component only on PS/Xbox. I've mentioned this multiple times, but you seem to read over that every time. On that same note, you seem to be ignoring PC/Steam this whole time. I agree that Nintendo's online is not comparable to the services you get with PSN/Xbox live, but Steam certainly is.
I don't care that the service costs only $5 a month, it's irrelevant to bring up that price (what $5 is worth is completely subjective). It's about unnecessarily asking money to play online so the companies can maximize their profits. Don't be so condescending, I understand the service, I understand why they're asking money for it. Just because you're fine with paying, doesn't mean everyone should be or even that it's actually a good thing. You must be reading some other replies as well, because I'm not bragging about Nintendo's online, I'm just stating it's free. The bottle-comment is ridiculous. Not every Nintendo game has online, but games like MK8, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 3/4 Ultimate, Pokémon, Fantasy Life and other games have online that works well. Don't act like it doesn't. (Yes, it doesn't have all of the frills of PSN/Xbox live, but the online works well.) As a side note, if you think it costs $2000 to build a PC that outperforms Xbox One or PS4, you're not that smart.
Why bring up these fictional Nintendo fanboys that were laughing at the DdoS of PS/Xbox's online services? I didn't see any of them, I'm not one of them. I know there's little you can do to stop that kind of thing. And again the fanboy-like dig at Nintendo's online, people would notice if their online services stopped working, you only need to go back to Christmas 2013 to see that.
Enjoy your PSN/Xbox live, I'm glad you're happy with them. You're not going to convince me that they're really necessary or anything other than the companies making as much profit as they can.
@Quorthon I would've liked a headset. Party chat has been around for nearly a decade.I really enjoy fighting games and it's great getting advice from better players while practicing.
@Wouwter Isn't that the point of a business? To make a profit? Nintendo may have a deep passion for crafting games but it's not like they don't make baffling decisions like any other corporation.The wii u wouldn't be in the situation it is if nintendo would've bothered to consult with third party devs on the things they'd like to see in a system. Instead they did their own thing and here we are. Nintendo also didn't consider themselves in competition with ms&sony and that mentality will not help them. Competition is healthy for the industry and that's why psn is far better than it was when the service launched.And ps1 games being cheaper than snes games?
@Superryanworld True, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Nintendo does make a lot of stupid decisions, I've never said otherwise. ^^
@Wouwter All good.I respect your opinion as well.
@Quorthon I heard numerous statements on developer forums, where some people confirmed thst they have to pay the server costs - what I completely missed, though, is that it's Sony who do it that way. Sorry for not clarifying...
From what I can gather, Microsoft seems to really offer their services to dev's for free, but "reclaim" this investment through higher profit shares, but info on that seems somewhat contradicting right now. Stupid silencer clauses...
As for the consewuences on DDoS attacks: I can definitely see your point on that, and I'm actually completely against shifting the blame on the platform providers, since DDoS attacks seem to be pretty much impossible to prevent (something I wasn't aware of until recently). But at the same time, this kind of stuff is a risk factor they need to account for (and normally do with mirror/backup servers).
But then, if someone hacked into your personal computer and stole all your nude selfies, would you be at fault for taking those pictures in the first place?
An interesting example. Of corse, you can't be blamed for such things, but at the same time, it's careless to do so, either way, since smart devices and PC's are regularly proven to not have sifficientsecurity possibilities to block ANY hacking attempt.. It's like locking a diamond in a safe, only to throw the safe on the middle of the broadway - someone will eventually feel challenged to try and get the contents.
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