Last week Nintendo launched a beta for its YouTube Creators Programme in North America and Japan, which allows users to submit videos or entire channels for approval to enable them to receive a share of revenues while using Nintendo footage. It's an alternative to content ID claims that would prevent all videos with Nintendo content being monetised, yet it was heavily criticised by some of YouTube's biggest stars, and there are some rather strict rules in order to gain approval for content.
With those points in mind a recent update on the program's official website makes interesting reading for multiple reasons. It clarifies key rules to 'expedite the process', for one thing, as it seems a number of applicants may be missing the minutiae of the program.
- Only officially supported games can feature in the videos or channels in question.
- When registering channels users are reminded to remove any videos featuring non-Nintendo games or Nintendo games not included on the approved list - notable current absentees include Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.
- Those that have submitted channels that break either of these conditions are advised to remove affected videos within two weeks, or they'll be rejected and need to apply again from scratch.
This focus on clarifying rules to speed up the process follows a part of the message that apologises for delayed approvals - three days is the target; high demand is cited as the reason for the delays.
Thank you very much for participating in the Nintendo Creators Program. Due to your enthusiasm for the program, we're receiving a higher volume of applications to register channels & videos than expected. It is taking longer than we anticipated to confirm the applications. We appreciate your patience as we work through them as quickly as possible.
Managing high demand is relative to resources given to approving videos, of course, but whatever the numbers Nintendo's clearly had plenty of applications early on. We've recently argued that - in the long run - this program won't work in attracting trend-setters and major YouTube stars to cover more Nintendo games, with their objections to any revenue split (in comparison to the policies of far more accommodating publishers) being well reported. A valid counter-argument to that - made in the comments to that article - is that new or smaller channels will take up the Nintendo content cause and eventually lead to an increase in exposure for the brand on YouTube.
It'll be interesting to see how much new content we see as this program developers, and how many new and influential channels emerge with approved and monetised content. Time will tell.
[source r.ncp.nintendo.net]
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Nintendo just doesn't get it, like at all.
And if they don't reverse course, not only have they got alienated third parties but an alienated and fragmented YT community too.
@BLP for YouTubers who are making a living off of these videos, 60% is a big deal. Even if you disagree that people shouldn't be living off of other people's content (which... if you think about it... is how people have been living since the idea of interest came along) it's the principle. These guys aren't stealing Nintendo's IP. Unlike other artforms (e.g.: television or music) gaming has always been about experiencing the artwork. YouTubers aren't stealing that away from the consumer. What YouTubers do is take a creative idea and take their own spin on it, often making the viewer want to purchase said idea and spin it themselves.
This stifles creativity and (typically) good advertisement of the game. Especially with the walls they've placed regarding what games can be published onto YouTube.
@Punished_Boss_84 Well as I said in the form thread, their program might make other publishers angry that Nintendo is making money off of other publishers' games. With regards to smash, I am sure if Nintendo could allow people to monetize the game they would but the fact that they would run into licensing issues with the music which is why the Smash brothers music isn't being sold on iTunes. It would be just too expensive for people to buy to make sure that everyone got their proper cut. Nintendo is in a rock and a hard place, but best thing they could do is give members of the YouTube program free system and games.
I think this is actually better than the news last week. It shows a large amount of interest, regardless of the "highest viewed" members scorning the concept. It also details rules a bit clearer and prevents some of the miscommunication that has been happening. It is still sad to see that ONLY the approved games are allowed to be on the channel, but that isn't stopping anyone from making a new channel to host only the Nintendo specific videos.In fact, it is encouraged with an extra 10%.
And since this is still a Beta, I think the games allowed will grow quickly after this Trial Run is over.
Hopefully this backfires because this is crap.
Nintendo is throwing away free advertising and doesn't expect Smash Bros for Wii U one of their biggest games to be on here, yet expects WII FIT U to be here.
Nintendo come on! The Wii U is your second least successful system!
C'mon Nintendo, it's like you want me to dislike you.....hope this fails.
It would not surprise me if we start to see the other big publishers come out with similar programs now that Nintendo has been the bad guy by going first,taking most of the flak that comes with it.Those making their living from this may just ignore Nintendo games for now as it's not worth their time but if EA,Ubisoft etc see this program taking off they will want a part of it too.EA being EA,I'm sure they will have already thought about it.
"Heavily criticised by some of YouTube's biggest stars" - yet I haven't heard about even one of these so called "stars". Think about that, kids. Stupid chatter or screaming over gameplay is a waste of your time. Go, play the games yourself!
Let more companies give 'em a decent smack on their grubby fingers and show them how insignificant they really are.
"It is taking longer than we anticipated to confirm the applications. We appreciate your patience as we work through them as quickly as possible"
No online. No HD. Amiibo's out of stock. No more GameCube adaptors. Forced motion controls no one wants. Finding it harder than they thought to produce HD games for Wii U....why is Nintendo always ill prepared??
But... I thought no one was going to sign up for this?
lol
@tinman Let people enjoy what they enjoy. You can't make people conform to your shallow principals of entertainment just because you don't understand how something is entertaining to people.
Breaking news: Major boondoggle encounters major problems.
That second bullet is just...just...no.
@ikki5
It's likely that people who don't already understand how to monetize YouTube, or who have channels that are generally unvisited and are Nintendo-focused likely ran to it thinking "easy money," without considering the reality, and clearly a high number of them didn't bother reading the fine print.
The people who actually understand YouTube and how to make money on YouTube are the ones who quickly spotted the problems. People who don't understand only see what, in their short-sightedness, might benefit them.
@BLPs Well see the thing is Youtubers are basically their own company. Just like nintendo they like to make money and keep making money. So someone taking your money where the only end of the deal is you get to continue making those videos is kind of you know... Non youtube. I just see nintendo disappearing off youtube completely almost. Youtube is not created equally. Not all youtubers get paid the same. I say in rebutle the should use the fair use copy right rule and just parody all nintendo games just have the content up there. All in All its the world being the world, Money Hungry. End of the day really I say nintendo should either just leave them alone or start their own dedicated youtube channels and pay them to play the game while these people who buy the game and share you game to the world for free and says pick up the game and people go pick up the game and a sub par system like the wii u.
LOLOLOLOLOL "due to volume of applications"? Who would ever sign up for this!
You know, in all of this I am curious. Exactly how is Nintendolife dealing with this? They produce YouTube videos of Nintendo content.
@whodatninja Well... I am going to guess that anyone who has Nintendo videos and doesn't want to remove them will because they need to if they want to keep their Nintendo videos up.
@MasterBlaster forced motion controls?! Where?
@Darknyht Good question! But are they "monetizing" the videos? I never see an ad when I watch one... Or perhaps they pay a fee to show said content? I'd like to know (if y'all at NL ain't cool with that, I understand).
Have you guys seen a "social media" survey that NoA held on his Facebook page? I think it's implying that these channels will be advertised by Nintendo itself or something like that. You should check it out
Ah, a poorly thought out program that they can't even manage properly. Sometimes it's not hard to understand the hate Nintendo gets from some people.
I think this program may work out well, if Nintendo plays it cards right. I mean, if the channels that are not in the Creator Program and feature Nintendo content won't be affected with copyright strikes or other things like that, I don't see why people should complain. If it doesn't force you to be part of it to have Nintendo stuff on your channel, and you can use it only if you want to, and you get benefits from it, like having copies of games earlier or some kind of partnership with Nintendo, then it's a good move. If your videos get copyright strikes if you aren't part of it though, then that's a stupid move. I hope Nintendo makes the right choise.
Also, I have a doubt now. Didn't up until now all the profits on videos with Nintendo stuff in it go to Nintendo? I have read this some time ago somewhere on the web. But I'm not an expert about how Youtube works so, could someone who is better informed than me give me an answer?
This is such a mess...
People are actually applying for this? The rules are basically saying: "Hey, loyal fans. You should make channels controlled mostly by us to give us free advertising AND free money. You know, do all the hard recording work and editting for us. Use up all your free time, so that we could profit. In return, here's a chicken bone. Thank you mutts...I means 'loyal fans'!"
@Lloyd_Wolven It is a lot murkier than that and a lot of the problem is due to how YouTube deals with the DMCA. As it stands currently, Nintendo makes a copyright claim on their material and is able to overlay their own ads on your video (or claim the profits from advertising on the videos) much like the Music industry does when their music is in videos (if they don't just pull it down).
What Nintendo is doing is offering a license deal to YouTube entrepreneurs/creators that want to use their copyrighted content. As it stands, they find the terms onerous and are not happy about it. Since they are public personalities they are collectively shouting over it.
Meanwhile, everyone else that is using Nintendo content without seeking profits or in a way covered by "Fair Use" probably will not be effected and the program itself serves no purpose. That is why I was curious how a news/media outlet like Nintendolife is effected by this. My guess is that it will continue to be business as usual. EDIT: Outside the already broken and painful process YouTube has in place for DMCA takedowns, but that is an issue with YouTube and not Nintendo.
I also am guessing the reason that Smash Bros is not included is that Nintendo is making partnerships for official tournaments and will be doing everything possible to stamp out the unofficial ones.
Pathetic! Nintendo knows how to ruin freedom of sharing.
@Tsurii897 Please link me the source that says this won't apply to ALL Nintendo videos on Youtube.
No Nintendo, people are not confused about your affiliation program or how long it takes you to approve things, they just think your affiliation program is stupid and you're stupid for thinking this is somehow beneficial to your company.
Of course they are gonna pretend that a large number of people applied.
Hell, whenever I applied for a job in the past I was always told that a large number of people applied... which later I found out in many cases is rubbish. Now I do the same thing even if the person I am telling it to was the only applicant. You have to make people think the position is sought after by many.
Nothing wrong with doing this and a I am not knocking Nintendo for doing what is normal but I dont believe it. I was waiting for the spin.
The funny thing about this complaining about Nintendo taking 30/40% is that prior to this program, Nintendo took 100% away from the video creators via flagging or removal of videos via Content ID and whatnot.
This isn't going from 100% to 60/70%. It's going from 0% to 60/70%, in favor of those that make videos. The people complaining about Nintendo taking away from them aren't telling people they weren't making anything from Nintendo to begin with.
@AVahne You make it sound like playing video games is some kind of chore these people are nobly opting into for the good of mankind and the internet. Something we should all commend them for and throw money at them so they may continue.
I use up most of my spare time playing video games and at least half if that is Nintendo games. I'm almost tempted to join this program so that I can make a little money from it.
I know some folk do this for a living now, I've nothing against that, fair play to them. But recording yourself playing a game and then editing it (in the case of those that do, some don't) isn't exactly a strenuous task. The fact you're able to do it as a career is an amazing luxury. Everyone else pays to do this as a pass time!
It's not a perfect system. But it's a beta, the whole point is to find out what does and doesn't work for both parties to create something that will become mutually beneficial. Dismissing it entirely and stating Nintendo games are the bottom of your list now is not helping anyone, as Pew Die Pie did. It's in Nintendo's best interest to make it work for the YouTubers as much as themselves and they too have millions of followers to introduce to these guys. It can work both ways, it just requires work from both parties.
@Ogbert
In no way did I make it sound as such. Playing games and simply recording it is one thing, but these people take the time to plan out each video, record the footage they need and then editing each video so that it's presentable and enjoyable for the viewer.
Of course I don't expect Nintendo's white knights to understand any of this.
Keep in mind these people make money off of ADS FOR OTHER COMPANIES. Said companies use popular mediums to advertise their products, which in this case are videos of people playing games and doing other stuff. Are you saying Nintendo should be making money advertising other companies' products, even though they did absolutely nothing?
@AVahne Yet who has been making money off of Nintendo-related content on Youtube prior to this program? No one, except for those that were able to make a little before the Content ID matching system caught up to them (which reduced all profit from then on to 0%), and those that have been an affiliate with Nintendo through a different program, like various reviewers.
@AVahne You may not have meant it that way, but it really did come off like that.
". You know, do all the hard recording work and editting for us. Use up all your free time, so that we could profit. In return, here's a chicken bone. Thank you mutts...I means 'loyal fans'!""
I mean seriously? How does that not sound like it. Besides I wouldn't call anyone who throws a public hissy fit denouncing their enjoyment of Nintendo games because of a proposed beta program a "loyal fan". And yeah if the adverts generating the money are being displayed on videos of their intellectual property, filtered through the dialogue and editing of a YouTuber or otherwise, then yes they have every right to that ad revenue.
It's like if Pepsi paid you to go stick adverts on all the cans and bottles of Coca Cola and hand then out to folk in the street for free. Obviously Cocal Cola would be wanting that money. Sure you did the work of sticking the things on there, but you're using their product to make money without their permission, the fact it's a rival company is irrelevant, it's another matter entirely.
But hey-ho I'm apparently a white knight now so I see where this conversation will go and gracefully back out. Better things to do
@Yorumi No. Not at all. Not even remotely.
I'm curious to see who's rushing in to sign up for this. Are these people who post for fun, YouTube start ups, or YouTubers that already have a strong following?
@Yorumi Yes, there is more to the editing process, like what the terms are for using said software, and whether you are allowed to make money using it.
By the way, it appears that Nintendo won't pay you anything if you have games from other publishers in your videos.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/02/05/please-understand-nintendo-won-t-share-revenue-with-youtube-channels-showing-games-from-other-publishers.aspx?PageIndex=2#comments
Amazingly, this program just continues to get worse.
@DarkKirby
If they lower their sales enough, they can cut back to only working 4 days a week.
Is that a benefit?
@Quorthon They won't take any either, else they'd be in hot water from trying to profit off someone else's content. Sound familiar?
edit:
If you're referring to a channel that has other games in it other than Nintendo, then you can't register the "channel", else you'd have to remove the videos. You'd have to register video-by-video in that case. If you decline to remove them yourself from a registered channel, then the channel itself cannot be used for the program, and you'll have to re-register it at a later date.
@Yorumi
A guy at another site had a good point about "volume of applications" comment and it's vagueness. Essentially, if Nintendo only has one or two guys working on this, it wouldn't take many applications for there to be an "overwhelming volume."
@Discostew
Ha, indeed. As I said at beginning of this article's comments: Boondoggle.
In addition to what I said earlier, one of the reasons Nintendo won't allow games like SSB (at least for Brawl and WiiU/3DS) is because they contain non-Nintendo characters.
@Yorumi now you're putting words into my mouth, let's not go down that path ok? I have never said that about a comedian, nor would I. Nor would I say that about an actor. But no, I do not put these guys recording themselves playing on the same level as a professional actor or comedian.
Are you saying Pew Die Pie is the same skill level as, say Kevin Spacey? Charlie Day? Steve Carell? I don't think you are, at least I sincerely hope not.
I use video editing software as part of my own job, nothing I've ever seen in any Let's Play has gone beyond the most basic of techniques. It might be time consuming, but that's all. Where these guys do excel though is their charm and quirks, it's what makes people want to watch them, what makes them endearing. But they're doing it using other's intellectual property. If others are cool with that then that's their choice, this beta system is far from perfect but at least it's a step towards a beneficial agreement rather than a flat out ban like they could have done and have every right to do. And if these guys refuse to play Nintendo as a result rather than liase with and feedback to them then I sincerely doubt they are "loyal fans" as others have described them. They're super lucky to be able to do what they do, yeah they work for it but many don't even have the opportunity to do this as a pass-time let alone a career. It's not a hardship, even if it may be hard work.
@Yorumi "You're denigrating the amount of work they're putting in because I guess jealousy does nasty things to people."
Whether you're putting words in his mouth or not, you certainly are making assumptions.
@Ogbert
Oh come on, PewDiePie is definitely on the same level as Charlie Day!
The first episode of Always Sunny is reported to have "cost the price of the camera they used" and that was it. PewDiePie probably made more money faster than Charlie Day.
@Yorumi I'm not jealous at all. I keep saying fair play to them and that I think it's great that it can be a job. I prefer my own job, I also consider myself incredibly lucky to be able to do what I do for a living. I know not everyone gets that chance.
However it can't be denied that video games are primary designed as a form of entertainment, there are a few examples that try to progress the medium, but I think it's fair to say on the whole they're an entertainment product. Now many other things can be done as entertainment, some people might do amateur dramatics to use your acting example from earlier, but it is design again as a hobby, a pass time. It's not comparable with someone who does acting for a living, it's a very different beast. So what we have so far with a Let's Play video is someone enjoying an entertainment product and recording it, no harm no foul. They're able to make money of it with ads, cool so long as the IP holders are fine with it or some deal is arranged, s'all good! It's still not the same level as an actor or comedian is it? Those guys dedicate their life to crafting amusement and entertainment, these guys, whilst they can be amusing and entertaining, are for the most part enjoying the result of the former's work. As well all do. Editing the video doesn't make it praise worthy, there is a skill to editing, a whole career in it potentially, but what these guys do is basic and mostly functional, because the focus is on the play through, on the game, and their reactions in the moment. That's the point of a play through video.
i have zero problem with anyone doing this. I watch a few of them! I think certain ones are being slightly childish and immature with their handling of this situation, even if it's not ideal, but I have no problem with what they do. As I have stated several times. However, as popular as they are and as impressive as what they've achieved for themselves through this is I don't consider what they do to be a strenuous, arduous, laborious job. Because it isn't. It takes work yeah, but that's what jobs are, they're work. And these guys are using the work of others as the backbone of their work, you don't have a Let's Play without a game to play. Many are tuning in for the game as much as the YouTuber, it's only fair that the owners of the game get something in return. I might be looking for Five Nights at Freddie's videos and come across Pew Die Pie, therefore the game has earned him money and not the other way around. It can work both ways, therefore both parties deserve a say.
Anyway, I'm off to bed now. It's been interesting chatting with you, sure I'll see you around
@Quorthon haha that's true it was! But Charlie crafts his routine, he scripts the show (with the others), he acts it out, they help directing and producing. Pew Die Pie plays a video game then edits the footage later to get his best gurns and grimaces in. It's earned him a lot of fans and money though so hat's off, but it's not the same level of skill required for both jobs. And that's fine, but people need to stop acting like it is.
If Pewdie scripts and stars I a successful sitcom, on YouTube or otherwise it's irrelevant where really, I'll say he is. But at the moment he's doing the equivalent of uploading an episode of Sunny with a little video of him laughing and talking over it in the corner. All well and good, excellent if you can make money off it (without upsetting the owner of the initial media) but not the same level.
@Tsurii897
No, regardless of who this program is intended for, it affects everybody. People have been staying away from doing Nintendo content because of Nintendo going around claiming videos.
If people don't want to apply, but want to do even a few Nintendo videos, they still must abide by Nintendo's creators program. That includes the white-list, which is missing both some huge games (Pokemon, Smash Bros.) and less popular ones (Fire Emblem, Bayonetta). So, if say, your a huge Zelda fan, It might not even be worth the effort to deal with it, it just slows things down and makes keeping a schedule harder.
Thats completely disregarding Nintendo personally approving each video's content. Its not just a trial period either, its standards procedure. That right there is ripe for abuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_vGe68T6sM
@Zombie_Barioth Bayonetta is not Nintendo's property, even if they published the games on Wii U, and Smash Bros (Brawl and SSB4) contain non-Nintendo characters. Even Pokemon, which Nintendo owns the majority of, is still not 100% Nintendo's property, so that can't apply either. Fire Emblem may not be on the list due to story-elements, which is something similar to why Naughty Dog doesn't allow their content on YT.
Here's the thing. What sort of message is PDP sending out for suggesting this is wrong of Nintendo, that it impedes on what people do, when he himself is guilty of such actions to the same people he's riling up against Nintendo? PDP benefits from people "lesser then himself" yet closes comments on all his videos because he feels it's within his right to do so.
Saying this affects everyone in a negative sense is a lie when far more people will benefit from it than those that won't. Them saying otherwise only shows that those that have a lot to lose will make up anything to insure that they keep what they have, insomuch as they're willing to lie about the circumstances. How many people do these LPs for a living? A couple hundred? A couple thousand? There are millions upon millions of people that frequent YT, and only a small group actually make up the channels, with an even far lesser number that make up these LP people.
@Discostew
I'm aware of that, they could still work something out though if they wanted. As far as I'm aware, none of them are as concerned about it as Nintendo, aside from maybe SEGA. If story was the problem they could also only allow gameplay.
Either way, my point still stands. This doesn't effect just LP's, this applies to any and all Nintendo content. How are people "lying" about the circumstances?
The only one who benefits from this is Nintendo, seeing as the only people for whom Nintendo content is their bread n' butter already have a deal made through another network. Before you say it, no, choosing NOT to bring the hammer down isn't a "benefit".
@Ogbert
From what I've heard, most of Always Sunny is improv.
Are we still debating if Nintendo is well within their rights to claim on their contents being used in LP videos?
Free advertising or not, which goes both ways encouraging or discouraging a gamer to buy a game, it's Nintendo's call how they run their marketing. Whether they are doing it poorly or not, it's their decision to make. Plus, a very good game can be fun to play/experience but could be boring to watch if not presented properly according to the developer's vision. So your points that watching a game and playing it are two different things can be good or bad for "free" advertisements.
Now stop defending these YouTubers that they are entitled 100% on their self-made commentaries using other's IP/content. They saw a loophole/exploit on the system and they are taking advantage of it.
Can Naughty Dog put in-game footage of Halo game they bought on retail in their next Uncharted game being played by Drake without permission from Microsoft? By your logic, Naughty Dog can do so because watching Drake do it is not the same as players experiencing/playing Halo interactively. Naughty Dog will put a lot of work on making this cutscene more than these YouTubers edit their videos. Plus free advertisement! /s
Volume of applications?! Nah, I don't think many people will want to join this programme. Nintendo hopes to make it populair by saying they have a huge volume of applications. But I don't believe it. Its a trap!
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